00:04:13 Morbus has quit ("http://www.disobey.com/") 00:05:33 GabeW (~Gabe@12-236-237-100.client.attbi.com) has joined #swhack 00:25:26 Morbus (~Morbus@s89.terminal3.totalnetnh.net) has joined #swhack 00:26:05 hey, sbp, do you want an account on DNN? 00:32:23 email me if you do. 00:32:24 Morbus has quit ("http://www.disobey.com/") 00:40:45 ooh 00:41:10 * sbp was writing "EARL 0.95 By Example" - http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-er-ig/2002Feb/att-0031/01-0.95byExample 00:41:20 people have been wanting that for a while now 00:42:06 my "u inc" script is great 00:45:38 xena really needs a ".googlecount" function 00:45:48 .googlecount something 00:46:03 35,400,000 00:46:12 .googlecount dracula 00:46:30 and there's only one result, xena should go "1 - googlewhack!" 00:46:41 dracula: 562,000 00:46:45 heh, heh 00:47:28 I would have used "s Von Zeppelin", personally... 00:59:21 tansaku has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01:02:40 $ u googlecount sbp miscellaneous Semantic URI RDF CWM XHTML stuff N3 01:02:40 sbp miscellaneous Semantic URI RDF CWM XHTML stuff N3: 2 01:02:45 $ u googlecount sbp miscellaneous Semantic URI RDF CWM XHTML stuff N3 Notation3 01:02:45 sbp miscellaneous Semantic URI RDF CWM XHTML stuff N3 Notation3: 1 - googlewhack! 01:02:53 of course, only a googlewhack of sorts... 01:03:49 .google sbp miscellaneous Semantic URI RDF CWM XHTML stuff N3 Notation3 01:03:50 sbp miscellaneous Semantic URI RDF CWM XHTML stuff N3 Notation3: http://infomesh.net/2001/cwm 01:09:20 GabeW has quit ("Client Exiting") 01:17:03 Morbus (~Morbus@s89.terminal3.totalnetnh.net) has joined #swhack 01:17:40 got my redirects in place for the old urls. 01:40:16 dammit. 01:40:21 MTEntryExcerpt removes linkage 01:41:07 guess i'll use trim_to on the Body 01:52:05 Morbus has quit ("http://www.disobey.com/") 01:54:49 Hugo Haas is a Debian guy -- got to get him to sign my key when I see him next. 02:04:08 one get-post error fixed, x to go. 02:05:47 where (x > INFINITY), I presume? 02:05:55 Heh! 02:06:13 Did you mean < INFINITY? 02:06:19 nope 02:06:54 Hm, do you mean that it's growing fast enough that the task isn't possible? 02:07:30 I merrily asserted that there are a higher-than-infinite number of get-post errors in this Universe 02:07:38 at least, it seems that way 02:07:50 so uncountably infinite? 02:08:00 .http://www.w3.org/2000/01/sw/DevelopmentProposal 02:08:09 AaronSw: where is that script for the python refers? 02:08:25 it's linked from http://www.aaronsw.com/stats/ 02:08:26 I didn't say which type of infinite :-) 02:11:12 Hmm... in bash, how can I run something, and print STDERR to both screen *and* a file? 02:11:49 it's something like &2> 02:11:59 .google bash io redirection 02:12:01 bash io redirection: http://www.geocrawler.com/archives/3/342/1999/12/0/2991106 02:16:03 is the data file that it loads a standard apache log file? 02:26:56 yeo 02:26:58 err yep 02:27:06 hmm, well my host only has python 1.5 02:27:16 which is a pain 02:27:27 that is annoying 02:27:44 all I really want is a list of the people who have linked to me 02:27:44 lately 02:27:48 sometimes python -> python1.5 and you have to type python2 02:27:56 I tried that 02:27:57 didn't work 02:28:00 hmm 02:28:09 they offer "python" and "python1.5" 02:28:13 both of which point ot the same thing 02:28:16 shouldn't be too hard to change to 1.5, i'd think... 02:28:24 not sure 02:28:30 it has a few little quirks it seems 02:28:40 all I really need to track is refers 02:28:49 yeeah, just change "rc += aaa" to "rc = rc + aaa" 02:28:59 that's pretty much all this does track... 02:29:04 and he has a nested "for * in" thing 02:29:11 oh. 02:29:21 well, let me have another look 02:30:02 items = [(v, k) for k, v in aDictionaryOfStringKeysAndIntegerValues.items()] 02:30:06 not even really sure what that means 02:30:14 items = [(v, k) for k, v in aDictionaryOfStringKeysAndIntegerValues.items()] 02:30:14 becomes: 02:30:15 items = [] 02:30:15 for k, v in aDictionaryOfStringKeysAndIntegerValues.items(): 02:30:15 items.append(b, k) 02:30:24 thanks 02:30:27 s/b,/v,/ 02:32:59 wow he does that little trick quite a bit 02:33:37 Morbus (~Morbus@s87.terminal3.totalnetnh.net) has joined #swhack 02:34:32 Morbus has left #swhack 02:38:28 (like 10 times, gaaah) 02:45:58 i hate rpms 02:50:22 someone shoot me now 02:50:26 converting this file 02:50:27 slowly 02:50:32 much more work than anticipated 02:57:13 hmm 02:57:28 shit 02:57:30 worked finally 03:23:32 BenSw has quit (Remote closed the connection) 04:42:07 opt|x (nude@ppp-208-188-21-186.dialup.rcsntx.swbell.net) has joined #swhack 04:52:37 She'll absolutely drive you wiiiiiild! 04:56:49 Hm, MarkM is using prolog term-trees for his networking protocol. 04:56:55 foo("zip", 3) # term tree 04:57:39 * AaronSw gives up on replacing Redhat with Debian for tonight 04:59:10 whoa, esr is on e-lang. wacky 05:00:53 * sbp waves to opt|x 05:01:31 * opt|x waves back 05:01:32 sup 05:01:50 what brings you to our humble home? 05:01:59 chan name 05:02:18 wondering if you guys search for buff overflows and format strings 05:02:20 we're not about cracking, if that's what you mean. 05:02:23 liek a security co 05:02:38 we run apt-get to patch security holes :) 05:02:44 well thought you was about full disclosure hacks 05:03:09 so waht oyu guys mostly do? 05:03:45 you guys talk about security at all? 05:04:40 yeah, we talk about cryptography etc. 05:04:52 but we don't talk about cracking. Just hacking 05:05:22 Python will back me up 05:05:25 >>> hacking == cracking 05:05:25 0 05:05:25 >>> 05:05:46 the only time we crack is when Morbus tells a funny 05:06:03 Heh. 05:06:04 lol 05:06:16 ok so i foudn some kew peeps on this net then 05:06:26 where? where? 05:06:37 * sbp searches for the kewl peeps 05:06:43 kew, sbp, kew 05:06:49 eek. I do apologize 05:06:56 ahahhhhahaah 05:07:20 the problem with "kew" is that you've removed all padding from it 05:07:35 ok so you guys big on cryptography? 05:08:11 English had evolved over the centuries so that it can take a certain amount of battering in trasnit, and still be interpreted on the other end. Wen u rmov arbtry chrs, it rmvs all chnc of getng t m a i n 05:08:27 well, we have to deal with it... for the Plex 05:10:09 anyone gotten an NC100 to work with debian? 05:15:29 well you guys wanna try to crack/hack a ELF binary? its a contest a good friend of mine put up on the web 05:15:52 .acronym ELF 05:15:53 ELF: Extremely Low Frequency (0-3 Khz), Earth Liberation Front, El Fasher, Sudan - El Fasher (Airport Code), Electronic Filing, Electronic Location Finder, Elf Lore Family (south-central Indiana), Eliminate Landmines Forever (ChemTech), Employee Learning Fund (Canada), Energie Liquide de France (corporate name), Epithelial Lining Fluid (medical), Erisian Liberation Front, Evolutionary Learning of 05:15:54 Fuzzy Rules (system), Executable and Linking Format (computer data format), Explicit Link Failure, Explosive-Actuated Light Filter, Extension Language Facility, External Financing Limit (UK), Extraterrestrial Life Form, Eye-Safe Laser Filter 05:15:55 hey, we don't crack remember. 05:16:02 ELF: Entropy Liberation Front 05:16:04 see elf.org 05:16:38 oh, um, BTW: this channel is instantly publically archived to the Web 05:16:57 we *really* need a butler-bot, but with a funky name like "phatz" 05:17:18 or d00dme1s73r 05:17:27 .nickometer d00dme1s73r 05:17:28 d00dme1s73r has 45% lameness 05:17:32 heh, heh 05:17:48 I'm quite pleased with that myself 05:18:40 Hello, welcome to the Swhack IRC Channel. You seem rather unfamiliar. 05:18:40 Please choose one of the following: 05:18:40 - 'new' 05:18:40 - 'i'm ____' 05:18:45 if 'new': 05:19:10 lol 05:19:18 .nickometer opt|x 05:19:18 opt|x has 0% lameness 05:19:21 ROFL 05:19:34 This channel is logged instantly to the public web at URI. We keep a weblog at URI. This channel isn't about cracking you l33t d00ds. 05:19:34 Do you have a website? Please enter its URI: 05:19:39 so I come in as SeanP, and I do: "I'm sbp, you fucking idiot!", and then it calls me "sbp, you fucking idiot!" from then on? I don't think so 05:19:46 Heh. 05:19:51 That'd be cool! 05:20:15 heh, actually it would 05:20:26 Hi all, I'd like to introduce "sbp, you fucking idiot!". His website is at, "don't you know already, dipstick?!". 05:20:34 heh, heh! 05:22:27 "Hmm... I noticed that you allow yourself to swear as long as it's in quoted material: i.e., not something that you've said. That's cool. In fact, it's really good because it gives me the idea of quoting *everything* I say, so that when somebody picks me up on it, I can say "pff, not me guv. I didn't say it." 05:22:36 " 05:22:44 Heh. 05:23:00 It has to be quoting someone else, though. 05:23:07 yeah... that's the problem 05:23:21 Basically, I can't type it. 05:23:24 although I could always claim that I'm just funneling through crap from some guy I know on another server 05:23:29 Heh. 05:23:34 His name is "SeanP". 05:23:40 can't type it: good rule 05:23:43 heh, yeah 05:24:08 And of course your mysterious fellow. Which IRC network is he on, huh? 05:24:18 heh. That'd be telling 05:25:33 AaronSw has changed the topic to: If anyone asks, we're from the entropy liberation front 05:26:03 heh: "More JavaScript tricks, a desk calculator for all sorts of numbers: real, imaginary, pointy, flat, round and solid." 05:26:18 Hmm... my equation is producing a lot of solids 05:26:39 Homer: Mmm... pointy 05:29:23 ttyl 05:29:25 opt|x has left #swhack 05:33:20 sleepytime. nytol 05:33:24 c'ya 06:59:01 kham (kham@em1aP033-emse173a.imt.uwm.edu) has joined #swhack 06:59:29 kham has quit (Client Quit) 07:06:12 tansaku (~sam@mtl10gw.mtl.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp) has joined #swhack 11:23:47 tansaku has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12:55:36 * sbp waves 12:55:38 * sbp plays TSRTS 14:42:29 kham (kmnguyen@dhcp-29-159.imt.uwm.edu) has joined #swhack 14:42:33 hello all 14:42:36 hello Aaron 14:47:18 Hi there 14:47:25 hello sbp 14:47:36 i like your style 14:47:43 style? 14:48:01 your wit as expressed through your chatting 14:48:13 heh. I thought you meant my CSS stuff or something 14:48:21 but thanks :-) 14:48:42 np :o) 14:48:58 your chats reveal a wit of high IQ 14:49:11 bwahahaha! if only you knew me 14:49:46 * sbp tries to work out how to add built-ins to Eep 14:53:25 style... kham, you've made my day :-) It seems to grate on some people, and entice others 14:54:26 well, the people it grates are the dumb ones 14:54:40 whose dumbness was exposed by your wit 14:55:07 heh! that's certainly an interesting way of looking at it 14:55:38 * sbp will be adding this entire conversation to his .sig very soon :-) 14:58:42 * sbp feels a little less like Charlie Brown, now 14:58:57 actually, it's silly: we don't have the US style outside mailboxes over here 14:59:10 I don't think I've seen one once, and I've been all over the country 14:59:55 it's especially silly now that it's Valentine's Day: we have to sit by the fecking mail flap waiting for the postman 15:00:27 whatever happened to the humiliation of opening the postbox-thingy to find no letters whatsoever? 15:01:16 * sbp goes back to hacking Eep 15:01:18 say, i am now in #Goddesses 15:01:42 they seem friendly over there 15:01:42 heh, heh 15:01:48 yeah, heh,heh 15:01:55 * sbp joins, finds no one there... 15:02:08 sorry, my fault 15:02:31 for the logs: #Goddess 15:02:47 we use "#" as a comment character, which sometimes causes grief... 15:03:10 .google stratics 15:03:11 stratics: http://www.stratics.com 15:04:04 tansaku (~sam@n144-001.tokyu-net.catv.ne.jp) has joined #swhack 15:34:58 * AaronSw agrees with Kham about sbp's style. 15:37:42 Hi Aaron, and thanks :-) 15:37:58 I'm adding built-ins to Eep! It's going rather well 15:38:04 Cool! 15:38:23 Maybe you should rewrite rdfapi next. ;-) 15:39:05 I have to give you *something* to do :-) 15:39:27 here we go now... 15:39:29 the rule:- 15:39:30 [[[ 15:39:30 """?x ?y ?z . 15:39:31 ?x ?z .""", 15:39:31 """?x <#notEqualTo> ?z .""" 15:39:32 ]]] 15:39:38 the store:- 15:39:39 [[[ 15:39:39 "p" <#q> "r" . 15:39:40 <#p> <#q> <#p> . 15:39:42 "p" <#q> "p" . 15:39:44 "x" _:y "z" . 15:39:46 ]]] 15:39:54 and the output:- 15:39:55 [[[ 15:39:55 [[["p", <#notEqualTo>, "r"]], [["x", <#notEqualTo>, "z"]]] 15:39:56 ]]] 15:40:47 I was thinking about it a bit last night, and I guess I worked out how to do it 15:40:57 tansaku has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15:41:06 tansaku (~sam@n146-191.tokyu-net.catv.ne.jp) has joined #swhack 15:41:44 Hmm... now I need to do variable replacement 15:41:48 e.g. for log:uri 15:42:27 Heh, I remember when I first saw CWM. I thought it was black magic or something -- couldn't understand it at all. And now you're building it! 15:42:46 say, guys, how do we all like to earn lots of money? 15:42:58 not very, afaik 15:42:59 * sbp still doesn't understand CWM/Llyn 15:43:09 trye 15:43:30 the question was *how*. AFAIK, we all like to earn lots of money by being greedy capitalists 15:43:38 lol! http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/02/14/143254&mode=thread&tid=166 15:44:06 how about we develop a website that lots of people will visit? 15:44:27 i don't think that will help 15:44:39 oh? 15:44:49 i'm a bit confused 15:44:56 how do visits translate into money? 15:45:38 on the /. proposal: great! 15:46:07 or get a percentage of sales from vendors 15:47:10 The /. thing is really funny. 15:50:15 Hmm... this isn't right: [[[<#p>, , "#p"], [<#p>, <#uri>, ?p]]] 15:50:30 blargh 16:01:53 .google "Milwaukee 500" 16:02:03 Pff, xena's borked 16:02:44 Pff, and it's a 200 mile race 16:03:21 aha: http://www.milwaukeemile.com/ 16:05:49 * sbp sings "Who wears short shorts?" 16:12:27 getting there: [[[<#p>, , "#p"], [<#p>, <#uri>, ]]] 16:13:49 kham has quit () 16:18:21 John Perry Barlow: "We are born savage and self-centered, and then, unless we move to Hollywood, we get over it. We become civilized. We enter a state in which we understand that sharing is good." 16:18:47 - http://www.newarchitectmag.com/documents/new1011650821755/ 16:20:36 hooray! 16:20:36 [[[<#p>, <#uri>, "#p"]]] 16:36:43 [[ 16:36:47 [ 16:36:49 { ?x ?y ?z . 16:36:51 ?x ?p . } => { ?x <#uri> ?p . } . 16:36:53 <#p> <#q> <#r> . 16:36:55 <#x> <#y> <#z> . 16:36:57 [[[<#p>, <#uri>, "#p"]], [[<#x>, <#uri>, "#x"]]] 16:36:59 ]]] 16:40:32 @ http://www.kartoo.com/ 16:40:40 A: http://www.kartoo.com/ from AaronSw 16:40:56 A:|Kartoo: Graphical Search 16:40:57 titled item A 16:43:08 A::It's really quite smart. It links me as "interested" in Kurzweil's AARON. 16:43:09 commented item A 16:45:28 A::Heh! It says I'm an apprentice of W3.org 16:45:29 commented item A 16:47:20 ooh, that is quite good 16:48:01 what's up with the lovestruck genie? 16:48:04 that's quite odd 16:48:09 Heh, yeah. 16:48:28 must be a french thing ;) 16:48:54 :-) 16:51:20 tansaku has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17:06:17 ooh, I have an idea 17:08:00 This is really interesting: http://wmf.editthispage.com/discuss/msgReader$7035 17:10:39 indeed 17:21:26 neat:- 17:21:26 [[[ 17:21:26 { ?x <#type> <#Target> . 17:21:26 ?x ?z . } => 17:21:26 { ?x <#sha512> ?z . } . 17:21:26 "blargh" <#type> <#Target> . 17:21:28 http://example.org/#sha512 ["blargh", , ?z] 17:21:30 [[["blargh", <#sha512>, "4a59e80b6a5bfb4c8d8a592086a290b347c5d2b62418abe878cfa8037063ca268edeadd184bc3d54bf683584f294caf7a3109c90458b45f93d25587618070fa1"]]] 17:21:33 ]]] 17:22:15 that is, AFAIK, the first time that an RDF processor has computed the SHA512 of a string using a built-in 17:22:15 oops, the stray "http://example.org/#sha512" is debug information... 17:22:15 I had a problem in that I forgot that the inference syntax requires linebreaks :-) 17:22:15 ooh! 17:29:03 Hmm... let's add an interesting built-in: log:content 17:33:50 [[[ 17:33:52 { ?x <#type> <#Target> . 17:33:54 ?x ?z . } => 17:33:56 { ?x <#resolvesTo> ?z . } . 17:33:58 <#type> <#Target> . 17:34:00 [[[, <#resolvesTo>, "Homer: Woohoo!"]]] 17:34:02 ]]] 17:37:01 Heh 17:39:45 Hmm... I could go one better than CWM and support list variable replacing 17:40:06 although that must be a "TODO" in CWM for a reason :-) 17:41:23 this is so fast, too 17:41:39 even with the SHA test, you push "enter", and the results pop up 17:42:10 heh, this API's great 17:42:39 i want a turn! 17:42:51 turn? 17:43:01 where's the code? 17:43:09 on my hard drive :-) 17:43:18 let me tar.gz it and send to www-archive 17:43:21 i want to try it out. you're hogging all the fun. :) 17:46:09 * sbp prepares tyhe email 17:50:40 [Global Notice] Hi all. Just a reminder that non-critical announcements and OPN administrative information can be found on WALLOPS. One of the following commands should turn on WALLOPS on your client: /umode +w, /mode +w, /quote mode +w, /rawmode mode +w .... Thanks, and thank you for using OPN! 17:50:42 * sbp sends 17:51:29 I always worry about sending code and tests etc. to www-archive, just in case I've left any "heh, the suckers will never know about this" comments in there 17:51:37 Heh! 17:51:59 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2002Feb/0018 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2002Feb/att-0018/01-eep20020214-174604.tar.gz 17:54:48 for the builtins: $ python bitest.py 17:54:50 * AaronSw thinks about setting up a wallops bot 17:55:02 yeah, that'd be quite useful 17:55:28 i was going to suggest a #wallops channel, but figured, why not do it myself? 17:55:36 heh, heh 17:58:53 does the test work for you? 17:59:02 you may have to rm sha*.py 17:59:14 just a sec 17:59:41 BenSw|scool (nobody@un.impressive.net) has joined #swhack 17:59:51 Hello 17:59:53 Hi Ben 18:00:02 * AaronSw is testing out eep, eating a v-day cookie, and creating a wallops bot at once 18:00:08 lol 18:00:16 BenSw|scool is now known as Bensw|school 18:00:35 zsh: no such file or directory: /bin/sha512 18:00:35 [[["blargh", <#sha512>, ""]]] 18:00:36 * sbp is on IRC, and working out "Shiny Happy People" on the guitar 18:00:47 ah: [[["blargh", <#sha512>, "4a59e80b6a5bfb4c8d8a592086a290b347c5d2b62418abe878cfa8037063ca268edeadd184bc3d54bf683584f294caf7a3109c90458b45f93d25587618070fa1"]]] 18:00:51 :-) 18:21:00 Bensw|school has quit (Remote closed the connection) 18:56:28 wendy (~wendy@sttldslgw16poolB157.sttl.uswest.net) has joined #swhack 19:03:12 xena has quit (Ping timeout: 14400 seconds) 19:31:03 wow, that's a long timeout 19:31:43 xena (xena@mewtwo.espnow.com) has joined #swhack 19:34:21 "All credit is due to me. All remaining mistakes are, of course, the fault of my proofreaders." 19:34:38 all your credit are belong to us 19:36:40 Rael got the Jonathan Ive look down: http://conferences.oreillynet.com/images/speakers/rael_dornfest2.jpg 19:37:39 Cool, Hal Abelson is on the Creative Commons team. 20:25:28