00:01:01 gordo has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00:01:22 i hate this. 00:01:41 i don't feel like doing css for this crap that works in the X different browsers i look for, so I get to use embedded tables. whee flipping dog. 00:25:04 tansaku2 (fwuser@210.81.227.194) has joined #swhack 00:35:16 Morbus has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 00:39:02 BenSw (~yoda@12-249-96-16.client.attbi.com) has joined #swhack 00:46:28 Morbus (~Morbus@s122.terminal3.totalnetnh.net) has joined #swhack 00:47:09 whee. making some progress on dnn. 00:47:27 cool. When do you expect to publish it? 00:48:17 welp, as soon as I figure out this damn stupid win bug 00:48:27 the latest/nearly final draft is up bow 01:05:17 kmacleod (~ken@kmacleod.static.iaxs.net) has joined #swhack 01:05:24 hi 01:05:26 hey 01:05:27 Hi Ken 01:05:28 nice article 01:05:43 and wb Aaron 01:05:58 tx 01:06:15 the RSS discussion is going very well, afaict 01:06:22 about what? 01:06:33 mod_admin 01:06:48 and more importantly, admin in both flavors 01:06:50 oh, cool 01:07:13 ie. we're having a seemingly friendly discussion about how this should work in both versions 01:07:17 lol! lisa rein is doing the metadata for lessig 01:07:30 why's that funny? 01:07:38 URL? 01:07:47 no url :( 01:08:06 the only gotcha re. admin in 0.9x is that they want to use PIs 01:08:23 apparently they're scared to open the topic of a new RSS 0.9x element 01:08:33 bleech 01:08:34 * Morbus tiptoes away. 01:09:25 I've emailed Kearney privately that they should just do it, but... 01:10:03 it's cool to see that lessig responds to his mail 01:10:09 btw, there's an rss-dev poll running if you didn't see it ;) 01:10:31 tx 01:11:05 hey everyone 01:11:17 did you email lessig? 01:11:23 yeah 01:11:33 what about? 01:11:49 I mean, was it a thought question that he actually spent time on? 01:12:10 i wanted him to get his project working with the plex 01:12:17 what project? 01:12:23 creative commons 01:12:36 do we have networking yet? 01:12:46 not really 01:12:53 ok 01:14:29 * AaronSw wonders where ken got the name poy_mp2 01:14:33 err poy_mp3 01:14:58 * jeremiah thought lessig would giveaway his books 01:15:17 I kept trying to steal one at P2PCon2 but it didn't work. 01:15:21 I got one from the library a while ago 01:15:32 Anyway, Lessig said yes. 01:15:35 it was code and other laws of cyberspace 01:15:36 cool 01:15:39 "Aaron, Thanks for the note. We're on the same line. We too want a RDF based system, and I'm eager to see if we might be able to work together." 01:16:17 that's awesome 01:16:40 I need to go upstairs to start on homework 01:16:44 otherwise it will never get done 01:16:44 k, c'ya 01:16:45 seeya 01:16:59 neat response from Lessig 01:17:54 btw: I've been sort of living a 'real' life in the past few days, excercising, swimming, reading, enjoying myself in general, I'm happy to code anything that we might need though 01:18:10 Wouldn't want to ruin your real life. ;-) 01:18:11 all those and trying to figure out what system I want to use as my CMS 01:18:18 MT! 01:18:19 heh. 01:18:33 well, I've been trying to do research off the computer, not on it 01:18:35 Morbus, he imported like 3 years of posts into MT. 01:18:37 like reading my knuth 01:18:52 i've imported 2 right now. i've got to write a converter for my other 2 01:18:55 http://kingprimate.com/weblog/ < 3 years of posts 01:19:03 I have a few months I need to steal from an old version of radi 01:19:04 AaronSw has changed the topic to: Bound together by common creativity 01:19:05 radio* 01:19:07 then I'll be set 01:20:02 oh plus school makes me busy as a motherfucker without worrying about changing the world with code and researching :) 01:20:38 * jeremiah is away: not here 01:23:59 nytol: dinner 01:27:40 poy_mp3 is random privacy fodder for yahoo signups. it's from the Cure's Pictures of You 01:28:13 the profile used to be better, until at some point they gave the option of "no comment" on all fields 01:48:29 @ http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk/england/newsid_1814000/1814559.stm 01:48:43 A: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk/england/newsid_1814000/1814559.stm from sbp 01:48:45 A:|'Dinosaur' vomit discovered in quarry 01:48:45 titled item A 01:48:58 A::"""Scientists believe the vomit, estimated to be 160 million years old, gives vital clues to the feeding habits of ichthyosaurs, marine reptiles that lived at the same time as the dinosaurs.""" 01:48:58 commented item A 01:51:31 anybody know anyone running a chump into a wiki? 01:51:59 * kmacleod giggles about somebody hearing that over dinner conversation ;) 01:53:56 bwahahaha 01:55:34 MoinMoin has a nice feature that makes pages append-only -- it has a form box at the bottom, any wiki text you enter just gets appended to the page 01:55:53 for a chump, one would have it prepend, of course 01:56:24 how on earth would one run a chump into a Wiki? 01:56:27 hmm, N3 in a wiki... there's a thought 01:56:28 and why? 01:56:37 N3 in a Wiki: been there, done that 01:56:43 who? 01:56:48 what? 01:56:48 where? 01:56:50 URL? 01:56:50 why? 01:56:52 how? 01:56:55 * kmacleod ;) 01:56:57 :-) 01:57:12 well, Tim and Dan said something about it (although I may have misinterpreted it) 01:57:21 and I used N3 for recording WikiChanges 01:57:26 I also wrote an RDF Wiki 01:57:38 I've got an RFC-822 wiki ;) 01:57:50 http://infomesh.net/2001/05/sw/ 01:57:54 somewhere on there... 01:58:03 ah: http://infomesh.net/2001/rdfwiki/ 01:58:41 I figure "running a chump into a wiki" would be just multiplexing input into the chump page from both a chat and a form on the wiki page, and then the page just gets rolled occasionally 01:59:10 ah 02:00:34 that's quite a neat idea 02:08:40 wmf (wesf@cs242733-11.austin.rr.com) has joined #swhack 02:09:34 Wes! 02:09:45 long time no chat 02:09:52 indeed! howdy! 02:12:22 Morbus has left #swhack 02:13:49 working on any fun projects? 02:14:12 yes, but it's secret 02:15:04 heh 02:15:13 can you say what tech? 02:15:35 it's about low-power computing 02:16:52 close to the hardware? 02:16:58 very close 02:17:07 I am desinging chips these days 02:21:07 no chit? I didn't know that. awesome! 02:21:22 and to think, I read your blog regularly. doh! 02:22:04 I don't write much about it 02:22:27 so maybe I should tell you about my scalable, massively distributed, frame-based memory CPU ;) 02:22:44 hmm 02:31:07 Ooh, the ken-wes reunion! 02:31:19 MorbusIff (~Morbus@s104.terminal3.totalnetnh.net) has joined #swhack 02:31:33 MorbusIff has left #swhack 02:32:37 Wow, QT broadcaster sounds cool. 02:32:46 waah, slowdot still hasn't posted my QT 6 submission 02:32:48 If my firewire port worked, i'd bring my firewire camcorder. 02:32:57 to conferences 02:33:21 I want to get a kritter digital, but they're so expensive 02:33:42 hmm. they have those in usb and firewire, right? 02:34:00 firewire only 02:34:18 so how do you suggest apple deals with the mpeg patents? 02:35:01 I think they should have just released it and said "all you content producers need to pay the use fee on your own " 02:35:59 heh. The press release says "The MPEG-4 licensing terms proposed by MPEG-LA (the largest group of MPEG-4 patent holders) includes royalty payments from companies, like Apple, who ship MPEG-4 codecs..." 02:41:18 @ http://www.sciam.com/2002/0302issue/0302anderson.html 02:41:21 B: Scientific American: Feature Article: The Worldwide Computer: March 2002 from AaronSw 02:42:25 i'm not sure whether to say "I could have written that" or "Scientific American continues to go downhill". 02:54:49 Morbus (~Morbus@s85.terminal3.totalnetnh.net) has joined #swhack 02:55:01 Morbus has left #swhack 02:56:17 Hm: http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/index.ssf?/xml/story.ssf/html_standard.xsl?/base/news/101351857825853188.xml 03:00:20 .google faqts bases.py 03:00:21 faqts bases.py: http://cvs.plexdev.org/viewcvs/viewcvs.cgi/plex/plex/plexrdf/bases.py?annotate=1.1&sortby=date 03:02:07 * AaronSw gets Python homework help requests :0 03:04:43 @ http://www.lemonodor.com/archives/000028.html 03:04:47 C: lemonodor: Lisp Porn from wmf 03:05:52 Heh, heh 03:06:52 where are the girls with ((()))s? 03:07:35 there's probably a lot of ()() at mardi gras... 03:09:54 "Exposing breasts is also illegal, but arrests are rare." - http://www.msnbc.com/news/705329.asp 03:11:15 where's the updated G()()gle logo? 03:11:21 heh 03:20:10 MorbusIff (~Morbus@s115.terminal3.totalnetnh.net) has joined #swhack 03:23:18 hmm, Philip dissed Arc 03:26:54 where? 03:27:03 http://philip.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg?msg_id=000taw&topic_id= 03:27:07 MorbusIff has left #swhack 03:56:17 g'nite folks 03:56:26 kmacleod has quit ("Leaving") 04:05:55 heh 04:38:04 Roy Fielding: "Life is a distributed object system. However, communication among humans is a distributed hypermedia system, where the mind's intellect, voice+gestures, eyes+ears, and imagination are all components." 05:02:27 oh shoot. towel day was yesterday. 05:03:12 i had a bad feeling about that. 05:26:34 GabeW (~gwachob@12-236-237-100.client.attbi.com) has joined #swhack 05:28:39 nytol 06:09:22 GabeW has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 06:25:32 wmf has quit ("wmf has no reason") 06:41:00 GabeW (~gwachob@12-236-237-100.client.attbi.com) has joined #swhack 06:49:08 GabeW has quit ("Client Exiting") 08:56:54 tansaku2 has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10:49:50 tansaku2 (~sam@h133-247.tokyu-net.catv.ne.jp) has joined #swhack 11:46:48 tansaku (~sam@h133-247.tokyu-net.catv.ne.jp) has joined #swhack 12:05:35 tansaku2 has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13:17:32 tansaku has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13:52:32 Morbus (~morbus@morbus.totalnetnh.net) has joined #swhack 14:02:51 heh, i knew silly tav would send me email on my esp account 14:04:55 -- 14:04:57 > can you send me a list of dates / assertions / etc that i have made? 14:04:57 My memory's not that good. However, I don't think you've made any dates. 14:04:58 -- 14:06:19 where is tav? 14:08:12 he's staying of off time-draining communications media 14:08:24 why? that's silly. 14:08:38 tell him i miss him. he'll come back for me. 14:08:40 heh 14:35:52 tansaku (~sam@n144-001.tokyu-net.catv.ne.jp) has joined #swhack 15:11:42 tansaku has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17:13:33 Morbus has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17:13:35 MorbusIff (~morbus@morbus.totalnetnh.net) has joined #swhack 17:18:40 GabeW (~Gabe@12-236-237-100.client.attbi.com) has joined #swhack 17:24:24 MorbusIff has quit ("http://www.disobey.com/") 17:56:13 * sbp waves 18:06:29 GabeW has quit ("Client Exiting") 18:07:01 kmacleod (~kmacleod@chomsky.casbah.org) has joined #swhack 18:08:27 what's the longevity expectations of webns.net? 18:08:45 MorbusIff (~morbus@morbus.totalnetnh.net) has joined #swhack 18:08:53 what's the longevity expectations of webns.net? 18:08:59 it's expected to last forever 18:09:02 anybody following rss-dev? 18:09:05 didn't you just ask that? :-) 18:09:10 yeah 18:09:21 I reposted for Morbus' benefit 18:09:43 Morbus hasn't got a clue 18:09:45 I'm guessing how to respond to the purl.org q 18:10:24 * sbp reads Kearney's post again 18:10:27 the poll is currently sitting 7-1 for keeping the admin module the way it is 18:11:06 heh, heh 18:11:18 who's the "1"? :-) 18:11:27 Kearney 18:11:33 I'm guessing 18:11:38 yeah 18:13:45 what? huh. 18:13:49 ok. slowly now. 18:13:58 i just came back from lunch, and i'm lethargic, overweight, and gassy. 18:14:04 heh, heh 18:14:13 and this is my last day of work before a five day vacation. 18:14:53 i haven't read any Kearney stuff today. 18:14:57 MorbusIff is now known as Morbus 18:15:27 * AaronSw returns 18:15:35 You know, I just realized that with QuickTime Broadcaster, we can have videoconferences! 18:16:23 pfff. as if i wanna see your ugly mug. 18:18:23 Heh. And we can get Wes the special pundit edition. 18:18:27 you know, i've never voted in an rss-dev. 18:25:53 jeez, i say something and no one talks to me. 18:26:04 i won't really gas in your general direction. i was just joshing. 18:26:15 come closer. sit around my camp fire. eat my marshmallows. 18:26:19 * kmacleod will pointedly ignore Morbus 18:26:27 [ Morbus makes things worse ] 18:26:46 so hey! get out and vote! 18:27:24 i do not make things worse! 18:27:39 for a while, i didn't know that *I* could vote. i thought it was a WG sorta special people only thing. 18:27:56 there's WG votes and member polls, this one is a member poll 18:27:57 i don't even know what the vote is on. i just ignored them cos i didn't think i had priv's. 18:30:24 can you update the link to the policies and procedures, too? 18:30:38 what's wrong with it? 18:30:43 404 18:31:05 from the group front page 18:31:09 works for me 18:31:19 err, never mind 18:31:55 did you catch the webns.net longevity question? 18:32:01 yes. 18:32:38 sbp gave the right answer 18:32:59 I see the permanent abstainer voted. Morbus: sure you didn't vote? ;) 18:33:07 wha? 18:33:12 no! i haven't voted. 18:33:15 what's the uri? 18:33:22 and whats this about 7/1/Kearney? 18:33:58 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rss-dev/surveys?id=868633 18:34:25 1/9, what was happening then? 18:35:08 ah, heavy traffic on moving the files 18:36:23 or rather, pointing purl.org to W3 18:36:32 no, i can see the settings, but it doesn't look like i can change them 18:36:36 did we ever move the PURL? 18:36:48 well, i can't vote now. 18:37:03 if i vote, all of you will know it was me, and thats not very anon 18:37:20 shut up and vote, boy! 18:38:55 @ http://www.apple.com/hardware/ads/newimac.html 18:38:56 lol! 18:39:00 D: Apple - Hardware - The new iMac -- Animations from AaronSw 18:39:22 * Morbus reads proposal. 18:39:33 hey, this sounds familiar. 18:40:13 D:|Pixar animates the new iMac 18:40:14 titled item D 18:40:42 I thought they animated it 10 years ago?! doh! 18:40:52 why is errorReportsTo have to be a URI? 18:40:55 heh. 18:40:57 oh, nevermind i know why. 18:49:54 is the same thing as 18:49:55 18:49:55 Some RDF Generator 18:49:55 URL 18:49:55 4.3 18:49:55 18:49:57 18:50:29 in the sense that in the former, we're just naming the resource and in the latter we not only name the resource but provide properties? 18:51:04 i'd prefer the latter, myself. 18:51:09 they're both equivalent rdf 18:51:11 it's kind of a "having your cake and eating it too" response 18:51:20 but i don't think the xml folks will like it 18:51:26 they're not equivalent at all 18:51:36 err... one entails the other 18:51:43 right 18:51:50 Hmm... no 18:51:56 the first one seems to be a property arc 18:52:02 the second is a typed node 18:52:09 oh... right 18:52:20 but that's easy to fic 18:52:22 err fix 18:52:26 indeed 18:52:34 * AaronSw notes this is why I hate RDF/XML 18:52:38 :-) 18:53:34 { [ admin:generatorAgent ] } vs. { a admin:generatorAgent . } is so easy to spot 18:53:42 in XML RDF, who knows? 18:55:21 well, The Simspons are gonna be on in a sec 18:55:22 .time 18:55:22 2002/02/13 18:56:51.1921 Universal 18:55:25 Gotta run 18:55:37 s/Simspons/Simpsons/ 18:57:32 so the latter form ( a admin:generatorAgent) better indicates that URI is a geenrator agent, and also opens it up easier for additional properties? 18:59:41 any time you use a uri you can give it additional properties 19:00:10 19:00:10 Some RDF Generator 19:00:10 URL 19:00:10 4.3 19:00:10 19:00:14 ?? 19:00:42 N3 probably would be better ;) 19:00:54 where's the N3 cut-n-paste translator? 19:01:03 19:01:04 19:01:04 .... 19:01:04 19:01:43 ah 19:01:58 translator: http://swag.webns.net/n3tordf 19:02:47 "Think about it?" 19:03:06 it processes N3 rules 19:03:12 ah 19:04:26 hmm, it doesn't appear to do XML to N3 in the cut-n-paste :( 19:04:50 oh, let me fix that... 19:05:26 urgh 19:07:46 or was it because I forgot the ? 19:07:58 I only pasted the fragment I pasted above 19:08:06 no... 19:08:26 just fix the url is easiest: add a "&from=rdf" 19:09:07 I'm not pasting a URI, just pasting the RDF/XML into the box 19:09:21 i know 19:09:27 i mean to the resulting uri 19:09:36 like the web page that gives you an error. 19:09:50 gotta run 19:14:48 kmacleod has quit ("Leaving") 20:10:57 * sbp waves 20:16:25 20:16:26 20:16:27 ??? 20:16:50 perhaps you mean 20:17:10 let's all do the "woo, isn't XML RDF lovely" dance! 20:17:42 Hmm... actually, I suck. The object isn't anonymous if it has an rdf:about 20:19:43 [the syntax is illegal] 20:20:12 er... no it's not 20:20:49 blargh 20:38:44 Cool - somebody at berkeley (Chaals' student - Nadia) just wrote a little EARL-producing tool 20:39:09 Hmm... but the link is borked 20:40:19 ah, no, it works now 20:40:31 heh: "The Magical Unnamed Test Automating Tool" 20:43:27 kick-ass stuff 20:43:27 * sbp archives it locally... 20:43:49 * AaronSw returns from first driving lesson 20:44:16 heh, Mom was all paranoid but the driving instructor just thew me behind the steering wheel and into traffic. 20:44:27 yeah 20:44:32 they aren't bad 20:44:38 oh, hey there 20:44:39 I almost ran a redlight on my second lesson 20:46:14 Hmm. The instructor was like, (all in same tone of voice) "Well, do you like comedy? I really like Mel Brooks -- 'Spaceballz' was really great? There's a stop sign there. Did you see that movie? I remember the [quote here]. There's a stop light up ahead. It was really funny when [quote]. You're driving off the road." 20:46:54 lol! 20:48:16 heh, heh:- 20:48:16 [[[ 20:48:17 Jejejejej I said using RDFSchema, not using DAML, using DAML is so easy. 20:48:17 Mr. Palmer, try to do it using only RDFSchema, that was the challenge. 20:48:17 ]]] 20:48:21 lol. 20:48:24 good story, AaronSw. 20:48:31 i came all the way from afkland to read that story. 20:48:36 Heh, heh 20:48:46 heh:- 20:48:47 (just in case I want to send a beer to an XML namespace author) <- aha! maybe that's the use-case for convincing the world that 404s are bad, even for namespace URIs. ! 20:48:56 heh! 20:48:59 i dunno how to drive. 20:49:39 it's not too hard to move the car around. dunno, may get harder as you get older. 20:49:44 real problem is just paying attention 20:50:29 yeah: thinking ahead as far as possible 20:56:12 Morbus has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20:58:41 MorbusIff (~morbus@morbus.totalnetnh.net) has joined #swhack 20:58:47 wb 20:59:40 Morbus Iff is just a figment of #swhack's imagination. #swhack has a sick imagination 21:00:43 Apple on MPEG4 licensing: ".25 for every encoder and decoder with caps at $1.5M and we are happy to pay that." 21:00:58 Hmm... 21:01:14 "Unfortunately, there's a second component for all of you to pay as well. $.02 per hour per screen" 21:01:57 Email: licensing@mpegla.com 21:02:03 [claps] 21:02:19 "Very nice people there will read your emails. Plese *constructively* provide your feedback..." 21:02:19 ugh 21:02:28