IRC log of swhack on 2002-02-13

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00:01:22 [Morbus]

i hate this.

00:01:41 [Morbus]

i don't feel like doing css for this crap that works in the X different browsers i look for, so I get to use embedded tables. whee flipping dog.

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00:47:09 [Morbus]

whee. making some progress on dnn.

00:47:27 [sbp]

cool. When do you expect to publish it?

00:48:17 [Morbus]

welp, as soon as I figure out this damn stupid win bug

00:48:27 [Morbus]

the latest/nearly final draft is up bow

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01:05:24 [AaronSw]

hi

01:05:26 [kmacleod]

hey

01:05:27 [sbp]

Hi Ken

01:05:28 [kmacleod]

nice article

01:05:43 [sbp]

and wb Aaron

01:05:58 [AaronSw]

tx

01:06:15 [kmacleod]

the RSS discussion is going very well, afaict

01:06:22 [AaronSw]

about what?

01:06:33 [kmacleod]

mod_admin

01:06:48 [kmacleod]

and more importantly, admin in both flavors

01:06:50 [AaronSw]

oh, cool

01:07:13 [kmacleod]

ie. we're having a seemingly friendly discussion about how this should work in both versions

01:07:17 [AaronSw]

lol! lisa rein is doing the metadata for lessig

01:07:30 [kmacleod]

why's that funny?

01:07:38 [kmacleod]

URL?

01:07:47 [AaronSw]

no url :(

01:08:06 [kmacleod]

the only gotcha re. admin in 0.9x is that they want to use PIs <ewwww>

01:08:23 [kmacleod]

apparently they're scared to open the topic of a new RSS 0.9x element

01:08:33 [AaronSw]

bleech

01:08:34 [Morbus]

* Morbus tiptoes away.

01:09:25 [kmacleod]

I've emailed Kearney privately that they should just do it, but...

01:10:03 [AaronSw]

it's cool to see that lessig responds to his mail

01:10:09 [kmacleod]

btw, there's an rss-dev poll running if you didn't see it ;)

01:10:31 [AaronSw]

tx

01:11:05 [jeremiah]

hey everyone

01:11:17 [jeremiah]

did you email lessig?

01:11:23 [AaronSw]

yeah

01:11:33 [jeremiah]

what about?

01:11:49 [jeremiah]

I mean, was it a thought question that he actually spent time on?

01:12:10 [AaronSw]

i wanted him to get his project working with the plex

01:12:17 [jeremiah]

what project?

01:12:23 [AaronSw]

creative commons

01:12:36 [jeremiah]

do we have networking yet?

01:12:46 [AaronSw]

not really

01:12:53 [jeremiah]

ok

01:14:29 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw wonders where ken got the name poy_mp2

01:14:33 [AaronSw]

err poy_mp3

01:14:58 [jeremiah]

* jeremiah thought lessig would giveaway his books

01:15:17 [AaronSw]

I kept trying to steal one at P2PCon2 but it didn't work.

01:15:21 [jeremiah]

I got one from the library a while ago

01:15:32 [AaronSw]

Anyway, Lessig said yes.

01:15:35 [jeremiah]

it was code and other laws of cyberspace

01:15:36 [jeremiah]

cool

01:15:39 [AaronSw]

"Aaron, Thanks for the note. We're on the same line. We too want a RDF based system, and I'm eager to see if we might be able to work together."

01:16:17 [jeremiah]

that's awesome

01:16:40 [jeremiah]

I need to go upstairs to start on homework

01:16:44 [jeremiah]

otherwise it will never get done

01:16:44 [AaronSw]

k, c'ya

01:16:45 [jeremiah]

seeya

01:16:59 [sbp]

neat response from Lessig

01:17:54 [jeremiah]

btw: I've been sort of living a 'real' life in the past few days, excercising, swimming, reading, enjoying myself in general, I'm happy to code anything that we might need though

01:18:10 [AaronSw]

Wouldn't want to ruin your real life. ;-)

01:18:11 [jeremiah]

all those and trying to figure out what system I want to use as my CMS

01:18:18 [Morbus]

MT!

01:18:19 [AaronSw]

heh.

01:18:33 [jeremiah]

well, I've been trying to do research off the computer, not on it

01:18:35 [AaronSw]

Morbus, he imported like 3 years of posts into MT.

01:18:37 [jeremiah]

like reading my knuth

01:18:52 [Morbus]

i've imported 2 right now. i've got to write a converter for my other 2

01:18:55 [jeremiah]

http://kingprimate.com/weblog/ < 3 years of posts

01:19:03 [jeremiah]

I have a few months I need to steal from an old version of radi

01:19:04 [AaronSw]

AaronSw has changed the topic to: Bound together by common creativity

01:19:05 [jeremiah]

radio*

01:19:07 [jeremiah]

then I'll be set

01:20:02 [jeremiah]

oh plus school makes me busy as a motherfucker without worrying about changing the world with code and researching :)

01:20:38 [jeremiah]

* jeremiah is away: not here

01:23:59 [AaronSw]

nytol: dinner

01:27:40 [kmacleod]

poy_mp3 is random privacy fodder for yahoo signups. it's from the Cure's Pictures of You

01:28:13 [kmacleod]

the profile used to be better, until at some point they gave the option of "no comment" on all fields

01:48:29 [sbp]

@ http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk/england/newsid_1814000/1814559.stm

01:48:43 [chumpster]

A: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk/england/newsid_1814000/1814559.stm from sbp

01:48:45 [sbp]

A:|'Dinosaur' vomit discovered in quarry

01:48:45 [chumpster]

titled item A

01:48:58 [sbp]

A::"""Scientists believe the vomit, estimated to be 160 million years old, gives vital clues to the feeding habits of ichthyosaurs, marine reptiles that lived at the same time as the dinosaurs."""

01:48:58 [chumpster]

commented item A

01:51:31 [kmacleod]

anybody know anyone running a chump into a wiki?

01:51:59 [kmacleod]

* kmacleod giggles about somebody hearing that over dinner conversation ;)

01:53:56 [Morbus]

bwahahaha

01:55:34 [kmacleod]

MoinMoin has a nice feature that makes pages append-only -- it has a form box at the bottom, any wiki text you enter just gets appended to the page

01:55:53 [kmacleod]

for a chump, one would have it prepend, of course

01:56:24 [sbp]

how on earth would one run a chump into a Wiki?

01:56:27 [kmacleod]

hmm, N3 in a wiki... there's a thought

01:56:28 [sbp]

and why?

01:56:37 [sbp]

N3 in a Wiki: been there, done that

01:56:43 [kmacleod]

who?

01:56:48 [sbp]

what?

01:56:48 [kmacleod]

where?

01:56:50 [kmacleod]

URL?

01:56:50 [sbp]

why?

01:56:52 [Morbus]

how?

01:56:55 [kmacleod]

* kmacleod ;)

01:56:57 [sbp]

:-)

01:57:12 [sbp]

well, Tim and Dan said something about it (although I may have misinterpreted it)

01:57:21 [sbp]

and I used N3 for recording WikiChanges

01:57:26 [sbp]

I also wrote an RDF Wiki

01:57:38 [kmacleod]

I've got an RFC-822 wiki ;)

01:57:50 [sbp]

http://infomesh.net/2001/05/sw/

01:57:54 [sbp]

somewhere on there...

01:58:03 [sbp]

ah: http://infomesh.net/2001/rdfwiki/

01:58:41 [kmacleod]

I figure "running a chump into a wiki" would be just multiplexing input into the chump page from both a chat and a form on the wiki page, and then the page just gets rolled occasionally

01:59:10 [sbp]

ah

02:00:34 [sbp]

that's quite a neat idea

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02:09:34 [kmacleod]

Wes!

02:09:45 [kmacleod]

long time no chat

02:09:52 [wmf]

indeed! howdy!

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02:13:49 [kmacleod]

working on any fun projects?

02:14:12 [wmf]

yes, but it's secret

02:15:04 [kmacleod]

heh

02:15:13 [kmacleod]

can you say what tech?

02:15:35 [wmf]

it's about low-power computing

02:16:52 [kmacleod]

close to the hardware?

02:16:58 [wmf]

very close

02:17:07 [wmf]

I am desinging chips these days

02:21:07 [kmacleod]

no chit? I didn't know that. awesome!

02:21:22 [kmacleod]

and to think, I read your blog regularly. doh!

02:22:04 [wmf]

I don't write much about it

02:22:27 [kmacleod]

so maybe I should tell you about my scalable, massively distributed, frame-based memory CPU ;)

02:22:44 [wmf]

hmm

02:31:07 [AaronSw]

Ooh, the ken-wes reunion!

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02:32:37 [AaronSw]

Wow, QT broadcaster sounds cool.

02:32:46 [wmf]

waah, slowdot still hasn't posted my QT 6 submission

02:32:48 [AaronSw]

If my firewire port worked, i'd bring my firewire camcorder.

02:32:57 [AaronSw]

to conferences

02:33:21 [wmf]

I want to get a kritter digital, but they're so expensive

02:33:42 [AaronSw]

hmm. they have those in usb and firewire, right?

02:34:00 [wmf]

firewire only

02:34:18 [AaronSw]

so how do you suggest apple deals with the mpeg patents?

02:35:01 [wmf]

I think they should have just released it and said "all you content producers need to pay the use fee on your own <wink/>"

02:35:59 [AaronSw]

heh. The press release says "The MPEG-4 licensing terms proposed by MPEG-LA (the largest group of MPEG-4 patent holders) includes royalty payments from companies, like Apple, who ship MPEG-4 codecs..."

02:41:18 [AaronSw]

@ http://www.sciam.com/2002/0302issue/0302anderson.html

02:41:21 [chumpster]

B: Scientific American: Feature Article: The Worldwide Computer: March 2002 from AaronSw

02:42:25 [AaronSw]

i'm not sure whether to say "I could have written that" or "Scientific American continues to go downhill".

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02:56:17 [AaronSw]

Hm: http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/index.ssf?/xml/story.ssf/html_standard.xsl?/base/news/101351857825853188.xml

03:00:20 [AaronSw]

.google faqts bases.py

03:00:21 [xena]

faqts bases.py: http://cvs.plexdev.org/viewcvs/viewcvs.cgi/plex/plex/plexrdf/bases.py?annotate=1.1&sortby=date

03:02:07 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw gets Python homework help requests :0

03:04:43 [wmf]

@ http://www.lemonodor.com/archives/000028.html

03:04:47 [chumpster]

C: lemonodor: Lisp Porn from wmf

03:05:52 [AaronSw]

Heh, heh

03:06:52 [AaronSw]

where are the girls with ((()))s?

03:07:35 [wmf]

there's probably a lot of ()() at mardi gras...

03:09:54 [AaronSw]

"Exposing breasts is also illegal, but arrests are rare." - http://www.msnbc.com/news/705329.asp

03:11:15 [AaronSw]

where's the updated G()()gle logo?

03:11:21 [wmf]

heh

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03:23:18 [AaronSw]

hmm, Philip dissed Arc

03:26:54 [wmf]

where?

03:27:03 [AaronSw]

http://philip.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg?msg_id=000taw&topic_id=

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03:56:17 [kmacleod]

g'nite folks

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04:05:55 [wmf]

heh

04:38:04 [AaronSw]

Roy Fielding: "Life is a distributed object system. However, communication among humans is a distributed hypermedia system, where the mind's intellect, voice+gestures, eyes+ears, and imagination are all components."

05:02:27 [AaronSw]

oh shoot. towel day was yesterday.

05:03:12 [AaronSw]

i had a bad feeling about that.

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05:28:39 [AaronSw]

nytol

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14:02:51 [AaronSw]

heh, i knew silly tav would send me email on my esp account

14:04:55 [AaronSw]

--

14:04:57 [AaronSw]

> can you send me a list of dates / assertions / etc that i have made?

14:04:57 [AaronSw]

My memory's not that good. However, I don't think you've made any dates.

14:04:58 [AaronSw]

--

14:06:19 [Morbus]

where is tav?

14:08:12 [AaronSw]

he's staying of off time-draining communications media

14:08:24 [Morbus]

why? that's silly.

14:08:38 [Morbus]

tell him i miss him. he'll come back for me.

14:08:40 [AaronSw]

heh

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* sbp waves

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18:08:27 [kmacleod]

what's the longevity expectations of webns.net?

18:08:45 [MorbusIff]

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18:08:53 [kmacleod]

what's the longevity expectations of webns.net?

18:08:59 [sbp]

it's expected to last forever

18:09:02 [kmacleod]

anybody following rss-dev?

18:09:05 [sbp]

didn't you just ask that? :-)

18:09:10 [sbp]

yeah

18:09:21 [kmacleod]

I reposted for Morbus' benefit

18:09:43 [sbp]

Morbus hasn't got a clue

18:09:45 [kmacleod]

I'm guessing how to respond to the purl.org q

18:10:24 [sbp]

* sbp reads Kearney's post again

18:10:27 [kmacleod]

the poll is currently sitting 7-1 for keeping the admin module the way it is

18:11:06 [sbp]

heh, heh

18:11:18 [sbp]

who's the "1"? :-)

18:11:27 [kmacleod]

Kearney

18:11:33 [kmacleod]

I'm guessing

18:11:38 [sbp]

yeah

18:13:45 [MorbusIff]

what? huh.

18:13:49 [MorbusIff]

ok. slowly now.

18:13:58 [MorbusIff]

i just came back from lunch, and i'm lethargic, overweight, and gassy.

18:14:04 [sbp]

heh, heh

18:14:13 [MorbusIff]

and this is my last day of work before a five day vacation.

18:14:53 [MorbusIff]

i haven't read any Kearney stuff today.

18:14:57 [MorbusIff]

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18:15:27 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw returns

18:15:35 [AaronSw]

You know, I just realized that with QuickTime Broadcaster, we can have videoconferences!

18:16:23 [Morbus]

pfff. as if i wanna see your ugly mug.

18:18:23 [AaronSw]

Heh. And we can get Wes the special pundit edition.

18:18:27 [Morbus]

you know, i've never voted in an rss-dev.

18:25:53 [Morbus]

jeez, i say something and no one talks to me.

18:26:04 [Morbus]

i won't really gas in your general direction. i was just joshing.

18:26:15 [Morbus]

come closer. sit around my camp fire. eat my marshmallows.

18:26:19 [kmacleod]

* kmacleod will pointedly ignore Morbus

18:26:27 [AaronSw]

[ Morbus makes things worse ]

18:26:46 [kmacleod]

so hey! get out and vote!

18:27:24 [Morbus]

i do not make things worse!

18:27:39 [Morbus]

for a while, i didn't know that *I* could vote. i thought it was a WG sorta special people only thing.

18:27:56 [kmacleod]

there's WG votes and member polls, this one is a member poll

18:27:57 [Morbus]

i don't even know what the vote is on. i just ignored them cos i didn't think i had priv's.

18:30:24 [kmacleod]

can you update the link to the policies and procedures, too?

18:30:38 [AaronSw]

what's wrong with it?

18:30:43 [kmacleod]

404

18:31:05 [kmacleod]

from the group front page

18:31:09 [AaronSw]

works for me

18:31:19 [AaronSw]

err, never mind

18:31:55 [kmacleod]

did you catch the webns.net longevity question?

18:32:01 [AaronSw]

yes.

18:32:38 [AaronSw]

sbp gave the right answer

18:32:59 [kmacleod]

I see the permanent abstainer voted. Morbus: sure you didn't vote? ;)

18:33:07 [Morbus]

wha? <G>

18:33:12 [Morbus]

no! i haven't voted.

18:33:15 [Morbus]

what's the uri?

18:33:22 [Morbus]

and whats this about 7/1/Kearney?

18:33:58 [kmacleod]

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rss-dev/surveys?id=868633

18:34:25 [kmacleod]

1/9, what was happening then?

18:35:08 [kmacleod]

ah, heavy traffic on moving the files

18:36:23 [kmacleod]

or rather, pointing purl.org to W3

18:36:32 [AaronSw]

no, i can see the settings, but it doesn't look like i can change them

18:36:36 [AaronSw]

did we ever move the PURL?

18:36:48 [Morbus]

well, i can't vote now.

18:37:03 [Morbus]

if i vote, all of you will know it was me, and thats not very anon <g>

18:37:20 [AaronSw]

shut up and vote, boy!

18:38:55 [AaronSw]

@ http://www.apple.com/hardware/ads/newimac.html

18:38:56 [AaronSw]

lol!

18:39:00 [chumpster]

D: Apple - Hardware - The new iMac -- Animations from AaronSw

18:39:22 [Morbus]

* Morbus reads proposal.

18:39:33 [Morbus]

hey, this sounds familiar.

18:40:13 [AaronSw]

D:|Pixar animates the new iMac

18:40:14 [chumpster]

titled item D

18:40:42 [kmacleod]

I thought they animated it 10 years ago?! doh!

18:40:52 [Morbus]

why is errorReportsTo have to be a URI?

18:40:55 [AaronSw]

heh.

18:40:57 [Morbus]

oh, nevermind i know why.

18:49:54 [kmacleod]

is <admin:generatorAgent rdf:resource="URI"/> the same thing as

18:49:55 [kmacleod]

<admin:generatorAgent rdf:about="URI">

18:49:55 [kmacleod]

<dc:title>Some RDF Generator</dc:title>

18:49:55 [kmacleod]

<web:site>URL</web:site>

18:49:55 [kmacleod]

<blah:version>4.3</blah:version>

18:49:55 [kmacleod]

</admin:generatorAgent>

18:49:57 [kmacleod]

18:50:29 [kmacleod]

in the sense that in the former, we're just naming the resource and in the latter we not only name the resource but provide properties?

18:51:04 [Morbus]

i'd prefer the latter, myself.

18:51:09 [AaronSw]

they're both equivalent rdf

18:51:11 [kmacleod]

it's kind of a "having your cake and eating it too" response

18:51:20 [AaronSw]

but i don't think the xml folks will like it

18:51:26 [sbp]

they're not equivalent at all

18:51:36 [AaronSw]

err... one entails the other

18:51:43 [sbp]

right

18:51:50 [sbp]

Hmm... no

18:51:56 [sbp]

the first one seems to be a property arc

18:52:02 [sbp]

the second is a typed node

18:52:09 [AaronSw]

oh... right

18:52:20 [AaronSw]

but that's easy to fic

18:52:22 [AaronSw]

err fix

18:52:26 [sbp]

indeed

18:52:34 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw notes this is why I hate RDF/XML

18:52:38 [sbp]

:-)

18:53:34 [sbp]

{ [ admin:generatorAgent <URI> ] } vs. { <URI> a admin:generatorAgent . } is so easy to spot

18:53:42 [sbp]

in XML RDF, who knows?

18:55:21 [sbp]

well, The Simspons are gonna be on in a sec

18:55:22 [sbp]

.time

18:55:22 [xena]

2002/02/13 18:56:51.1921 Universal

18:55:25 [sbp]

Gotta run

18:55:37 [sbp]

s/Simspons/Simpsons/

18:57:32 [kmacleod]

so the latter form (<URI> a admin:generatorAgent) better indicates that URI is a geenrator agent, and also opens it up easier for additional properties?

18:59:41 [AaronSw]

any time you use a uri you can give it additional properties

19:00:10 [kmacleod]

<admin:generatorAgent rdf:resource="URI">

19:00:10 [kmacleod]

<dc:title>Some RDF Generator</dc:title>

19:00:10 [kmacleod]

<web:site>URL</web:site>

19:00:10 [kmacleod]

<blah:version>4.3</blah:version>

19:00:10 [kmacleod]

</admin:generatorAgent>

19:00:14 [kmacleod]

??

19:00:42 [kmacleod]

N3 probably would be better ;)

19:00:54 [kmacleod]

where's the N3 cut-n-paste translator?

19:01:03 [AaronSw]

<admin:generatorAgent>

19:01:04 [AaronSw]

<admin:Generator rdf:about="URI">

19:01:04 [AaronSw]

....

19:01:04 [AaronSw]

</></>

19:01:43 [kmacleod]

ah

19:01:58 [AaronSw]

translator: http://swag.webns.net/n3tordf

19:02:47 [kmacleod]

"Think about it?"

19:03:06 [AaronSw]

it processes N3 rules

19:03:12 [kmacleod]

ah

19:04:26 [kmacleod]

hmm, it doesn't appear to do XML to N3 in the cut-n-paste :(

19:04:50 [AaronSw]

oh, let me fix that...

19:05:26 [AaronSw]

urgh

19:07:46 [kmacleod]

or was it because I forgot the <rdf:RDF>?

19:07:58 [kmacleod]

I only pasted the fragment I pasted above

19:08:06 [AaronSw]

no...

19:08:26 [AaronSw]

just fix the url is easiest: add a "&from=rdf"

19:09:07 [kmacleod]

I'm not pasting a URI, just pasting the RDF/XML into the box

19:09:21 [AaronSw]

i know

19:09:27 [AaronSw]

i mean to the resulting uri

19:09:36 [AaronSw]

like the web page that gives you an error.

19:09:50 [AaronSw]

gotta run

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20:10:57 [sbp]

* sbp waves

20:16:25 [sbp]

<AaronSw> <admin:generatorAgent>

20:16:26 [sbp]

<AaronSw> <admin:Generator rdf:about="URI">

20:16:27 [sbp]

???

20:16:50 [sbp]

perhaps you mean <admin:generatorAgent rdf:parseType="Resource">

20:17:10 [sbp]

let's all do the "woo, isn't XML RDF lovely" dance!

20:17:42 [sbp]

Hmm... actually, I suck. The object isn't anonymous if it has an rdf:about

20:19:43 [sbp]

[the syntax is illegal]

20:20:12 [sbp]

er... no it's not

20:20:49 [sbp]

blargh

20:38:44 [sbp]

Cool - somebody at berkeley (Chaals' student - Nadia) just wrote a little EARL-producing tool

20:39:09 [sbp]

Hmm... but the link is borked

20:40:19 [sbp]

ah, no, it works now

20:40:31 [sbp]

heh: "The Magical Unnamed Test Automating Tool"

20:43:27 [sbp]

kick-ass stuff

20:43:27 [sbp]

* sbp archives it locally...

20:43:49 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw returns from first driving lesson

20:44:16 [AaronSw]

heh, Mom was all paranoid but the driving instructor just thew me behind the steering wheel and into traffic.

20:44:27 [jeremiah]

yeah

20:44:32 [jeremiah]

they aren't bad

20:44:38 [AaronSw]

oh, hey there

20:44:39 [jeremiah]

I almost ran a redlight on my second lesson

20:46:14 [AaronSw]

Hmm. The instructor was like, (all in same tone of voice) "Well, do you like comedy? I really like Mel Brooks -- 'Spaceballz' was really great? There's a stop sign there. Did you see that movie? I remember the [quote here]. There's a stop light up ahead. It was really funny when [quote]. You're driving off the road."

20:46:54 [sbp]

lol!

20:48:16 [sbp]

heh, heh:-

20:48:16 [sbp]

[[[

20:48:17 [sbp]

Jejejejej I said using RDFSchema, not using DAML, using DAML is so easy.

20:48:17 [sbp]

Mr. Palmer, try to do it using only RDFSchema, that was the challenge.

20:48:17 [sbp]

]]]

20:48:21 [Morbus]

lol.

20:48:24 [Morbus]

good story, AaronSw.

20:48:31 [Morbus]

i came all the way from afkland to read that story.

20:48:36 [AaronSw]

Heh, heh

20:48:46 [sbp]

heh:-

20:48:47 [sbp]

<DanCon> (just in case I want to send a beer to an XML namespace author) <- aha! maybe that's the use-case for convincing the world that 404s are bad, even for namespace URIs. !

20:48:56 [AaronSw]

heh!

20:48:59 [Morbus]

i dunno how to drive.

20:49:39 [AaronSw]

it's not too hard to move the car around. dunno, may get harder as you get older.

20:49:44 [AaronSw]

real problem is just paying attention

20:50:29 [sbp]

yeah: thinking ahead as far as possible

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20:58:47 [sbp]

wb

20:59:40 [sbp]

Morbus Iff is just a figment of #swhack's imagination. #swhack has a sick imagination

21:00:43 [AaronSw]

Apple on MPEG4 licensing: ".25 for every encoder and decoder with caps at $1.5M and we are happy to pay that."

21:00:58 [sbp]

Hmm...

21:01:14 [AaronSw]

"Unfortunately, there's a second component for all of you to pay as well. $.02 per hour per screen"

21:01:57 [AaronSw]

Email: licensing@mpegla.com

21:02:03 [AaronSw]

[claps]

21:02:19 [AaronSw]

"Very nice people there will read your emails. Plese *constructively* provide your feedback..."

21:02:19 [sbp]

ugh

21:02:28 [sbp]

heh

21:04:57 [AaronSw]

open source quicktime streaming server lets you set up an MP3 stream

21:05:21 [sbp]

.google SW Hints and Tips

21:05:22 [xena]

SW Hints and Tips: http://infomesh.net/2001/08/swtips

21:05:36 [sbp]

heh, I can use Google to search my local hard drive!

21:05:41 [AaronSw]

heh!

21:06:16 [AaronSw]

HTML-based interface to control the playlist, iTunes to listen to the feeds.

21:07:17 [AaronSw]

can create your own front-end

21:11:40 [AaronSw]

Sun is Apple's partner with QTSS.

21:13:14 [AaronSw]

Sun delivers "Content, Communication, and Commerce to anyone, anywhere, on any device".

21:13:27 [AaronSw]

"The 3Cs and the 4(?)As."

21:17:20 [AaronSw]

[Apple guy says Sun servers aren't "cute and cuddly"]

21:21:31 [AaronSw]

Today's word appears to be "standards".

21:21:50 [AaronSw]

Ericsson: "We drive standards and support standards and live by standards."

21:25:49 [AaronSw]

Looks like they're streaming movies to this guy's phone.

21:31:23 [MorbusIff]

sniff. my bottom bio hasn't been changed on ora.

21:31:31 [AaronSw]

i-mode guy is thanking W3C for their standards, sounds like.

21:31:37 [MorbusIff]

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21:32:32 [MorbusIff]

who the hell put THAT button there?

21:32:37 [MorbusIff]

MorbusIff is now known as Morbus

21:45:13 [AaronSw]

Wow, the NSA sent in Debian patches.

21:45:44 [Morbus]

AaronSw: daypop shows your blog for a search on morbus.

21:45:51 [AaronSw]

Heh!

21:48:44 [Morbus]

@ http://www.magicalcheese.com/bot/list.cgi?start=5

21:48:52 [chumpster]

E: How to make AIM bots. from Morbus

21:48:57 [Morbus]

E:\Description: the bot helps save aim from hackers i u tell it that some one is hacking on aim it will tell us thank you

21:49:06 [AaronSw]

it's E::

21:49:19 [Morbus]

ok. whoever decided it was ok to fuck with the syntax should be shot.

21:49:21 [Morbus]

E::Description: the bot helps save aim from hackers i u tell it that some one is hacking on aim it will tell us thank you

21:49:22 [chumpster]

commented item E

21:49:26 [AaronSw]

it's always been that way

21:49:38 [Morbus]

so i should yell at the blanubot?

21:49:42 [AaronSw]

yes

21:49:51 [Morbus]

mmkay.

21:50:17 [AaronSw]

argh! no R2D2 video -- so unfair.

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23:31:33 [sbp]

* sbp waves

23:36:49 [Morbus]

hey there

23:37:07 [sbp]

Mr. Iff, and how are you? What's up with your Weblog?

23:37:13 [Morbus]

importing it now.

23:37:24 [Morbus]

i had to reimport it just now, cos i was being anal.

23:37:33 [Morbus]

about internal db ids, and how they're used for permalnks.

23:40:11 [Morbus]

i probably won't do anything with it til next week.

23:41:08 [sbp]

how'd you like my "imagination" quote?

23:41:16 [sbp]

20:59:40 <sbp> Morbus Iff is just a figment of #swhack's imagination. #swhack has a sick imagination

23:41:38 [Morbus]

when did that happen? that's great!

23:42:04 [sbp]

you entered the channel, but I think it must have just been your client coming back

23:42:20 [Morbus]

ah. jeez. that's good.

23:42:58 [sbp]

what is this channel good for if it isn't a dumping ground for kick-ass quotes

23:43:47 [Morbus]

in about 10 minutes, dnn will be live. wheee.

23:43:53 [sbp]

ooh

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23:43:56 [sbp]

countdown!

23:44:03 [sbp]

Hi tansaku

23:50:47 [Morbus]

* Morbus hits "Rebuild"

23:51:46 [Morbus]

it lives!

23:53:35 [jeremiah]

hello

23:54:03 [Morbus]

ribbet

23:54:08 [jeremiah]

ribbet

23:56:19 [Morbus]

* Morbus now corrects all the errors he *just* noticed.

23:59:00 [tansaku]

hi sbp