IRC log of swhack on 2002-02-12

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00:02:04 [tansaku]

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00:03:40 [Morbus]

plannign on posting to ORA tonight for the first time.

00:03:42 [Morbus]

should be interesting.

00:11:29 [sbp]

ooh

00:12:05 [Morbus]

sbp, do you have that yatta flash link from last week?

00:13:28 [Morbus]

nm.

00:18:41 [rillian]

yattaflash?

00:26:24 [rillian]

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00:36:53 [Morbus]

rillian: http://verylowsodium.com/fanimutation/exuberance.php

00:43:00 [Morbus]

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00:47:48 [rillian]

* rillian thanks Morbus belatedly

00:55:16 [sbp]

oh, the *Yatta* thing!

00:55:22 [sbp]

.google "Hatt-Baby"

00:55:23 [xena]

"Hatt-Baby": http://user.tninet.se/~prv247p/hatt/hatten.swf

00:55:35 [sbp]

that's another funny flash fing

00:56:06 [sbp]

funny in that it's just so bizarre. I'm still not 100% sure of its origins

00:56:37 [sbp]

for me, something that is bizarre is also comical

00:57:07 [rillian]

* rillian has seen that one before

00:58:11 [rillian]

starwars.com is getting smarter about not making their movies downloadable

01:03:59 [rillian]

s/smarter/more clever/

01:04:11 [sbp]

cleverer, perhaps?

01:06:27 [sbp]

* sbp reads about comparative adjectives...

01:09:35 [sbp]

26,600 (cleverer) vs. 28,400 (more clever) on Google, although I feel that "cleverer" should be canonical, since adding the "-er" suffix is normal for one-syllable adjectives, and flows well for "clever" (and quiet) in particular

01:16:34 [Morbus]

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01:17:11 [Morbus]

welp, the blog won't be under Morbus Iff.

01:17:29 [Morbus]

doing so disassociates the "author" link from my O'ReillyNet articles, and that linkage is more important to me than the Morbus Iff name.

01:17:32 [Morbus]

i just wonder how much they're gonna hate me when I bring this up.

01:18:22 [sbp]

lol!: "The primary purpose of the Data statement is to give names to constants; instead of referring to pi as 3.141592653589793 at every appearance, the variable Pi can be given that value with a Data statement and used instead of the longer form of the constant. This also simplifies modifying the program, should the value of pi change." - Fortran manual for Xerox Computers

01:18:38 [Morbus]

hehe

01:19:15 [sbp]

what's that about your blog?

01:19:43 [Morbus]

welp, using Morbus Iff as a name seemed to make them have to create a brand new user called Morbus Iff strictly for that purpose.

01:20:03 [Morbus]

so, that makes it seem like a whole new author, and thus, the author link is not hooked into my articles I've written.

01:20:15 [Morbus]

being linked to the articles is more important than being linked to my name.

01:20:22 [Morbus]

so i sent them a quick email abou tit.

01:20:42 [sbp]

cool

01:20:54 [sbp]

when is your blog bursting forth onto the Web?

01:21:03 [Morbus]

which means they'll be all under Kevin Hemenway from now on.

01:21:08 [sbp]

Pff

01:21:26 [Morbus]

yeah, well, the linkage is more important than the name to me.

01:22:13 [sbp]

but your name is... your identifier in society

01:22:35 [Morbus]

ah twell

01:23:30 [Morbus]

i'm still having big identity crisese.

01:23:43 [Morbus]

when i first noticed the breakage with the link crap, i'm like 'ooh, good, now I can use my real name for tech stuff".

01:23:47 [sbp]

which one of you?

01:23:55 [Morbus]

and then i'm like "wait, i really like Morbus Iff".

01:24:09 [sbp]

yeah, he's a nice feller

01:24:11 [Morbus]

and then "well, being on O'Reilly is a good thing. you should use your real name. hell, everyone else is."

01:24:22 [Morbus]

and I run down the same flipping hill I have been before.

01:24:26 [rillian]

no no, support nicks!

01:24:34 [sbp]

but your name is Morbus Iff! You only need to start using a new name in the USA in order to change it

01:24:45 [rillian]

they're a disappearing part of net.culture!

01:25:07 [Morbus]

rillian: the linkage to my articles is more important than the linkage to my name.

01:25:26 [sbp]

as long as it doesn't cause a grievance to local officials, and is alphabetic (no numbers or funny characters)

01:25:37 [Morbus]

i mean, sure, having a weblog over at ORA is cool and crap. but I want people to see the articles I've written as well.

01:25:47 [Morbus]

as it is now, they click the name, and see absolutely nothing.

01:25:56 [Morbus]

and that makes me look like some moron just spouting off for no reason about tech.

01:25:57 [sbp]

er... how can something be "cool and crap"? is that possible?

01:26:36 [sbp]

but you're relying on the belief that people will actually click your name. If you change it to Hemenway, no one will bother

01:26:42 [Morbus]

aw, damn.

01:26:42 [sbp]

so it's besides the point

01:26:45 [Morbus]

[[ It's not hard, I'll make the switch. ]]

01:26:51 [Morbus]

i didn't make any one have a bad day.

01:26:57 [Morbus]

just wait. i'll tell her to switch it back when she's done.

01:27:01 [Morbus]

yeah, that'll make it better

01:27:09 [sbp]

her?

01:27:19 [Morbus]

Nancy at ORA. apparently she's the weblog person.

01:27:22 [Morbus]

* Morbus shrugs.

01:27:26 [sbp]

interesting

01:27:36 [Morbus]

well, at least at the end of each thing I post, it says "creator of disobey.com"

01:28:03 [sbp]

now, when someone comes up to me in the street and says "hey, do you know that Nancy - the weblog person at ORA?", I can be all like, "yeah, dude, but only indirectly"

01:28:15 [sbp]

content for the discontented!

01:28:15 [Morbus]

:)

01:28:19 [Morbus]

yah :)

01:28:26 [Morbus]

i think it says that too.

01:28:30 [sbp]

cool

01:28:33 [Morbus]

yeah:

01:28:34 [Morbus]

Morbus Iff is the creator of disobey.com, which bills itself as "content for the discontented".

01:28:55 [Morbus]

although it'll say Kevin hemenway instad.

01:29:08 [Morbus]

maybe, at the end of every entry, I should say "My name is Morbus Iff. This Hemenway guy is just a front."

01:29:08 [sbp]

Kevin Hemenway is the alter-ego of the pervasively strange Morbus Iff - creator of disobey.com - which bills itself as "content for the discontented".

01:29:09 [Morbus]

<g>

01:29:23 [sbp]

s/m -/, /

01:29:27 [sbp]

er...

01:29:30 [Morbus]

yeah, lemme see if I can get Derrick to change that.

01:29:46 [sbp]

heh, heh

01:32:06 [Morbus]

sending that "change short sentence thing".

01:32:15 [sbp]

cool

01:45:11 [Morbus]

sbp: i'm working on moving DNN over to MT, which means regular culture updates. yay

01:46:06 [sbp]

back to daily cultural enjoyment?

01:46:11 [Morbus]

yah :)

01:46:18 [sbp]

and what do you class as "culture"?

01:46:20 [sbp]

.wn culture

01:46:22 [xena]

culture defined as:

01:46:22 [AaronSw]

Is "All Your Base" culture or technology?

01:46:23 [xena]

- n 1: a particular civilization at a particular stage

01:46:24 [xena]

- 2: the tastes in art and manners that are favored by a social group

01:46:25 [xena]

- 3: all the knowledge and values shared by a society [syn: {acculturation}]

01:46:26 [xena]

- 4: (biology) the growing of microorganisms in a nutrient medium (such as gelatin or agar); "the culture of cells in a Petri dish"

01:46:27 [xena]

- 5: the raising of plants or animals: "the culture of oysters"

01:46:30 [Morbus]

all your base is culture.

01:46:33 [AaronSw]

Pff.

01:46:48 [AaronSw]

All your technology are belong to culture.

01:46:56 [sbp]

heh, heh

01:47:13 [Morbus]

all your base is technology sure, but the only reason it became so big was because of culutural differences and language trans problems/.

01:48:03 [sbp]

heh! we suck. "Don't ask us to explain "the culture" - that would only lessen its value and diminish its importance." - http://www.disobey.com/dnn/

01:48:23 [Morbus]

yeaaaaaah <g>

01:48:27 [sbp]

so what did we go and do?

01:48:28 [sbp]

immediately? without even a trace of research?

01:49:33 [Morbus]

monthly templates on dnn. what should they be? /yyyy/mm.shtml?

01:49:43 [Morbus]

at this point, i dont see a huge need for yyyy/mm/dd/

01:49:43 [sbp]

yyyy/mm/

01:49:56 [sbp]

no "shtml", please

01:50:02 [Morbus]

why?

01:50:02 [sbp]

pretty please

01:50:13 [AaronSw]

The SHT Markup Language

01:50:22 [sbp]

because one day you'll think "Hmm... SSIs are a bit shitty"

01:50:58 [sbp]

and then, all your URI belong to /dev/null

01:51:05 [AaronSw]

Heh.

01:51:10 [sbp]

s/URI/URI are/

01:51:11 [Morbus]

heh.

01:51:47 [sbp]

it beats "Cool URIs Don't Change" :-)

01:52:34 [rillian]

so you folks must know something about ssl

01:52:54 [rillian]

how would one to authentication similar to what ssh-agent handles for cvs

01:53:05 [rillian]

over and ssl protocol like webdav?

01:53:15 [AaronSw]

I don't think SSL does authentication.

01:53:28 [rillian]

what are the certificates for then?

01:53:28 [sbp]

sbp has changed the topic to: Don't diminsh us: take your questions about cultural definition elsewhere

01:53:33 [AaronSw]

Only some PKI stuff needed to prevent against MITM attacks.

01:53:58 [AaronSw]

that's the server saying: you can trust that i'm so-and-so, the user doesn't do anything.

01:54:06 [AaronSw]

(well, except for verifying the server's claim)

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01:54:21 [rillian]

gstein in #svn claimed the client could send a certificate as well

01:54:33 [Morbus]

OoO: http://www.disobey.com/dnn/test/

01:55:08 [AaronSw]

gstein is the kind of fellow who knows his stuff, i'd think

01:56:00 [rillian]

heh. was being entirely too confident for my piece of mind earlier. :-)

01:56:09 [wmf]

what's the question?

01:56:24 [AaronSw]

does ssl have user auth?

01:56:28 [rillian]

how would one to authentication similar to what ssh-agent handles for cvs over an ssl protocol like webdav

01:56:39 [wmf]

client certs

01:56:50 [AaronSw]

I'd have thought that WebDAV uses normal HTTP auth.

01:57:06 [rillian]

now, you can do user/passwd after the ssl session is estabilished, but that's clearly a loss of functionality

01:57:19 [wmf]

it does, but I see no reason why you couldn't negotiate up to client certs

01:57:19 [rillian]

AaronSw: I think it does. that's what I'm worried about :)

01:57:31 [rillian]

wmf: ok, so that does work

01:57:45 [rillian]

can you step through the process, so I can see how it works?

01:58:01 [AaronSw]

http://www.ultranet.com/~fhirsch/Papers/wwwj/article.html seems to explain

01:58:05 [wmf]

C: SYN

01:58:12 [wmf]

S: SYN+ACK

01:58:16 [wmf]

C: ACK

01:58:29 [wmf]

S: here is my certificate

01:58:33 [wmf]

C: and here is mine

01:58:40 [wmf]

<key exchange>

01:59:05 [AaronSw]

[wmf does the modem static version]

01:59:13 [wmf]

now SSL is set up and you can send plain HTTP requests with no auth headers

01:59:56 [rillian]

so the server could use a valid trust result on the clients certificate to authenticate the client

02:00:04 [wmf]

right

02:00:52 [rillian]

so instead of what we do now, where the user sends the cvs admin an ssh key, which is installed in a (possibly limited) user account for write access

02:01:37 [rillian]

the user and admin would exchange certificates, and enter them into their respective trust databases

02:01:44 [wmf]

right

02:02:27 [rillian]

ok, that's not so bad

02:02:54 [rillian]

except for having *another* passphrase/key infrastructure to maintain on your account

02:03:03 [wmf]

apache already supports client certs; I think it puts the user name in an env var

02:03:03 [rillian]

(in addition of gpg and ssh)

02:04:04 [wmf]

the ultimate goal of PKI is that you only need one key pair (stored on a smart card of course) which is used for web single-sign-on (SSL), mail (S/MIME), and logins (SSH-PKI)

02:04:13 [wmf]

so far it has not really happened

02:04:32 [rillian]

don't expect it will happen soon

02:04:38 [wmf]

indeed

02:06:12 [AaronSw]

<rillian> gutenberg *really* needs a nice front end

02:06:12 [AaronSw]

indeed!

02:06:18 [rillian]

*but* webdav over ssl might finally provide a secure network filesystem for use over the wan

02:06:59 [rillian]

AaronSw: problem is, one seeming is on one's own, since the gutenburg guy isn't interested in anything but hand-formatted text

02:07:18 [wmf]

if you really want a filesystem, I would suggest NFSv4 over SSL

02:07:35 [rillian]

wmf: didn't realise you could do that

02:07:59 [rillian]

that's actually safe?

02:08:07 [wmf]

sure

02:08:28 [rillian]

and better than dav because?

02:08:29 [AaronSw]

rillian, the HWG converted a bunch to XML

02:08:55 [AaronSw]

DAV wasn't designed to be a filesystem.

02:09:10 [wmf]

NFS semantics are much more similar to OS filesystem semantics than webdav

02:10:10 [AaronSw]

hey wmf, how's that publication coming?

02:10:26 [wmf]

heh

02:11:37 [AaronSw]

oh, right, you're subscribed to musicbrainz

02:12:01 [wmf]

er, yeah, but I don't see how that's related to anything...

02:14:18 [AaronSw]

my article got published today, i emailed them about it

02:15:17 [Morbus]

what article?

02:15:41 [AaronSw]

B::

02:16:02 [AaronSw]

Aaron Swartz, MusicBrainz: A Semantic Web Service, IEEE Intelligent Systems, Jan/Feb 2002, pp. 76-77. (PDF, old HTML)

02:16:06 [AaronSw]

PDF: http://www.aaronsw.com/musicbrainzIEEE

02:16:27 [Morbus]

cool

02:17:04 [Morbus]

ooh. new picture of AaronSw!

02:17:05 [Morbus]

<g>

02:17:08 [AaronSw]

Heh, heh

02:17:15 [wmf]

gee AaronSw, you're a lot older than I remember--wait, that's the editor

02:17:24 [Morbus]

yeah! i thought that too!

02:17:25 [AaronSw]

Heh, yeah.

02:17:33 [AaronSw]

I'm on the second page.

02:17:35 [Morbus]

i'm like "who the frel is this flipping guy".

02:18:00 [wmf]

kinda skimpy on the references

02:18:10 [AaronSw]

it's a little better in the magazine since i'm on the opposite corner.

02:18:48 [AaronSw]

wmf... hmm. looking thru the other articles there are some with 1/2 page text and 1 and 1/2 pages of references

02:21:03 [AaronSw]

Hmm, TAG videocon tomorrow.

02:28:43 [AaronSw]

cool, i've been blogged

02:28:46 [AaronSw]

:-)

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02:33:04 [jeremiah]

* jeremiah has been busy all day importing loads of old entries into mt

02:33:22 [jeremiah]

I now have 500 entries...

02:33:27 [jeremiah]

550 taht is

02:36:34 [AaronSw]

Heh!

02:42:19 [sbp]

sbp has changed the topic to: Don't diminish us: take your questions about cultural definition elsewhere

03:01:45 [AaronSw]

can folks see www.swartzfam.com?

03:02:16 [wmf]

was it bought out by amazon? :-)

03:02:29 [AaronSw]

Heh, heh

03:02:48 [AaronSw]

hey, when bezos starts writing big checks, you don't say no

03:03:05 [wmf]

lots of 404s

03:03:15 [wmf]

@ http://www.pingid.org/pingid-project/do/wiki?action=view&topic=HighLevelOverview

03:03:17 [chumpster]

A: http://www.pingid.org/pingid-project/do/wiki?action=view&topic=HighLevelOverview from wmf

03:03:28 [AaronSw]

hmm, you're right... wonder where all the content went

03:04:16 [AaronSw]

ugh. guess my tar didn't recurse so well.

03:05:58 [AaronSw]

A:|PingID: Open Digital Identity Infrastructure

03:05:58 [chumpster]

titled item A

03:06:04 [AaronSw]

A::Sponsored by Jabber

03:06:05 [chumpster]

commented item A

03:06:36 [wmf]

how evil: http://www.durand.com/ping/taxonomy/Taxonomy_frames.htm

03:07:01 [wmf]

nothing but js

03:07:07 [AaronSw]

bleech.

03:07:10 [AaronSw]

i must have JS off

03:07:29 [AaronSw]

hmm, it's on and i still see a blank page

03:07:43 [wmf]

yeah, it doesn't work in omniweb

03:07:58 [AaronSw]

or IE5 it seems

03:08:50 [AaronSw]

A::This sounds omninous: "We intend to implement the Server Infrastructure execution profile first, as it is consistent with the business goals of Ping Corp."

03:08:52 [chumpster]

commented item A

03:09:23 [wmf]

A::We just need to out-code them

03:09:24 [chumpster]

commented item A

03:09:38 [AaronSw]

A::Shouldn't be hard, considering they're writing it in C.

03:09:39 [chumpster]

commented item A

03:10:01 [AaronSw]

Wow, they might be the first to implement XML encryption

03:10:25 [wmf]

the ASF is working on an implementation

03:14:38 [wmf]

their license needs work: http://www.pingid.org/pingid-project/do/wiki?topic=LicenseAgreement&action=view

03:15:50 [AaronSw]

hmm

03:15:51 [AaronSw]

I was thinking today about communities of friends centered around a shell server. like canonical.org, pkl.net, etc.

03:17:45 [AaronSw]

Heh: http://canonical.org/cgi-bin/happy-hackers.cgi

03:22:09 [AaronSw]

oh shoot. radio expired

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03:24:27 [wmf]

bad things.

03:25:13 [AaronSw]

i don't think they sent me a final warning

03:25:29 [wmf]

yeah, I haven't gotten any warnings lately

03:25:34 [AaronSw]

@ http://www.google.com/appliance/

03:25:38 [chumpster]

B: Google Search Solutions from AaronSw

03:25:47 [AaronSw]

That's crazy...

03:27:01 [AaronSw]

B::[Their FAQ|http://www.google.com/appliance/faq.html#support] doesn't answer the important question: how much is the software?

03:27:01 [chumpster]

commented item B

03:27:19 [AaronSw]

B::I mean, it's pretty likely it'll run Linux, so you know someone is going to hack it and put the code up on the Web.

03:27:20 [chumpster]

commented item B

03:27:24 [wmf]

the software is not sold separately

03:27:45 [AaronSw]

i suspected, but is it given away?

03:27:51 [wmf]

no

03:28:10 [wmf]

(you greedy bastard)

03:28:12 [wmf]

:-)

03:29:03 [AaronSw]

how much are they?

03:29:19 [AaronSw]

i wonder if the w3c will buy one

03:35:48 [AaronSw]

anyone know of a proxypass overwrites rewriterules in apache?

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03:59:15 [wmf]

@ http://www.oralse.cx/

03:59:31 [chumpster]

C: http://www.oralse.cx/ from wmf

04:03:56 [AaronSw]

lol

04:04:12 [wmf]

I got tricked into going there from a /. post

04:04:30 [AaronSw]

really? the [foo.com] didn't help?

04:04:44 [wmf]

nope, they redirected it through srd.yahoo.com

04:05:00 [AaronSw]

heh. link to the post?

04:05:12 [wmf]

http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=27830&cid=2992222

04:05:40 [wmf]

@ http://www.thinkgeek.com/stuff/apparel/595d.shtml

04:05:47 [chumpster]

D: http://www.thinkgeek.com/stuff/apparel/595d.shtml from wmf

04:06:34 [AaronSw]

Ooh, I have mod points today. I think I'll mod that up :)

04:06:54 [wmf]

careful, I'll metamod you back

04:07:11 [AaronSw]

can i mod it funny?

04:07:25 [wmf]

yeah, that seems ok

04:09:15 [wmf]

I'm going to metamoderate everything as unfair and see what happens

04:09:39 [AaronSw]

i'll metametamoderate you as a loser

04:11:31 [AaronSw]

let me know if you find anything worth modding

04:12:49 [wmf]

it seems disturbing that the moderation and scoring algorithms aren't really documented

04:13:13 [AaronSw]

hmm. i guess it's a utsl thing

04:35:51 [AaronSw]

B::Especially considering that they'll be set up by hackers, I expect that Linux binaries of the code will be available pretty soon. If people are hacking TiVos they'll definitely hack this.

04:35:53 [chumpster]

commented item B

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04:52:53 [AaronSw]

heh, cool: dotty - Generate package graphs for GraphVis

04:52:58 [AaronSw]

on apt-cache

05:01:38 [AaronSw]

should i upgrade libc6 to 2.2.5-3?

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Sean?

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13:13:50 [lilo]

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13:39:05 [gordo]

list

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13:52:01 [Morbus]

making some progress on the dnn redux

14:13:06 [Morbus]

bwahahahaha

14:13:08 [Morbus]

this is funny.

14:13:21 [Morbus]

just checking out the archives: http://www.disobey.com/dnn/test/2001/02/index.shtml

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"This list looks good: decentralization"[@yahoo.com]

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15:51:08 [Morbus]

hey, can someone take a look at soemting?

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16:19:29 [AaronSw]

hey gordo, who are you?

16:19:47 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw switches out of blunt mode

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17:02:09 [kham]

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17:02:14 [kham]

hello all

17:02:22 [AaronSw]

D:|SQL Query T-Shirt

17:02:26 [kham]

hello Aaron

17:02:30 [chumpster]

titled item D

17:02:33 [AaronSw]

hi kham

17:02:52 [kham]

i'm in break during class so I am logging in

17:02:56 [AaronSw]

cool.

17:03:11 [AaronSw]

using wireless?

17:03:29 [kham]

nah, regular hookup

17:03:42 [kham]

just a terminal at each student desk

17:03:56 [AaronSw]

nice!

17:04:06 [kham]

actually, UWM is pretty hooked up

17:04:19 [kham]

with plenty of computer labs

17:04:38 [kham]

so as an idea for you to get a group together, how about...

17:04:49 [kham]

go to one university

17:05:05 [AaronSw]

That's very expensive.

17:05:19 [kham]

can be

17:05:47 [kham]

this UWM is a public university, we have lots of financial aid

17:06:13 [AaronSw]

hm

17:06:14 [kham]

if you want me to, I can approach the dean here sometime about hosting you guys

17:06:43 [AaronSw]

I mean, if we were able to get everyone out here, I'm sure we could find places for them.

17:07:31 [kham]

let me think on the logistics idea

17:08:33 [AaronSw]

a lot of people are sort of attached to their current location

17:09:43 [kham]

that is a good point

17:10:08 [kham]

we can accommodate them on that

17:10:15 [AaronSw]

how?

17:10:38 [kham]

and just have #swhack gettogethers like now. does that work?

17:10:53 [AaronSw]

well, that's what we do now

17:11:11 [AaronSw]

we might have to resort to the telephone every once in a while

17:11:21 [kham]

good point

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17:34:43 [sbp]

* sbp waves

17:35:03 [AaronSw]

sean, do you know this gordo fellow?

17:35:11 [sbp]

Gorgon Joly?

17:35:14 [sbp]

er... Gordon

17:35:29 [sbp]

if so, then yes

17:36:53 [AaronSw]

.google "gordon joly"

17:36:54 [xena]

"gordon joly": http://www.middx.org.uk/gordo/2tai.html

17:38:08 [sbp]

Any particular reason

17:38:14 [AaronSw]

he was on earlier

17:38:19 [sbp]

ooh, neat

17:38:21 [AaronSw]

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17:38:24 [AaronSw]

just afew minutes ago

17:38:30 [kham]

i have to go, have a good day all

17:38:33 [AaronSw]

c'ya kham

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17:38:38 [AaronSw]

it seems that he lives next door

17:38:38 [sbp]

ah crud, I just missed him?

17:38:49 [sbp]

pardon?

17:41:19 [AaronSw]

.google "Gordon Joly lives next door"

17:41:19 [xena]

"Gordon Joly lives next door": http://pobox.com/~gordo

17:41:19 [AaronSw]

He has a finely-tuned sense of off-beat humor.

17:41:19 [sbp]

he does indeed

17:41:24 [sbp]

yeah, it's a shame that I missed him

17:41:38 [AaronSw]

it seems all he said was:

17:41:39 [AaronSw]

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17:41:39 [AaronSw]

12:51:33 <gordo> Sean?

17:41:56 [sbp]

heh:-

17:41:57 [sbp]

<AaronSw> hey gordo, who are you?

17:41:57 [sbp]

* AaronSw switches out of blunt mode

17:42:40 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw really needs to take a few color courses

17:42:49 [AaronSw]

or get some good software or something

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17:54:00 [sbp]

Morbus!

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18:14:40 [sbp]

Gordo!

18:15:02 [sbp]

Glad you could make it to our little online saurez

18:21:20 [sbp]

heh:-

18:21:20 [sbp]

[[[

18:21:21 [sbp]

"If at first the idea is not absurd, then there is no hope for it."

18:21:21 [sbp]

--Albert Einstein

18:21:25 [sbp]

]]] - http://www.middx.org.uk/gordo/quotez.html

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18:24:11 [sbp]

IRCMonkey?

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18:24:22 [sbp]

are you there, Gordo?

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18:32:17 [sbp]

* sbp wonders if Gordo's having client problems

18:47:01 [AaronSw]

well, he is using ircii

18:47:57 [sbp]

Eek

18:48:11 [AaronSw]

what do folks think of http://www.aaronsw.com/plexdesign ?

18:49:51 [AaronSw]

other than the fact it doesn't validate yet, sbp.

18:50:20 [sbp]

I'd prefer a different color scheme

18:50:36 [AaronSw]

not a fan of hot dog colors?

18:50:55 [sbp]

not particularly

18:51:08 [AaronSw]

feel free to send me one.

18:51:21 [AaronSw]

i've done enough color twiddling for today

18:51:37 [AaronSw]

but i'd be happy to accept color schems from others in CSS-compatible form

18:51:39 [sbp]

color twiddling is always frustrating

18:52:05 [AaronSw]

verymuchso

18:55:44 [sbp]

[non-persistent URI kept from logs]

18:55:46 [sbp]

but done

18:56:01 [AaronSw]

heh. i started with that, but feared it looked too much like my website

18:56:20 [AaronSw]

well, not that exactly...

18:56:21 [sbp]

nah

18:57:25 [AaronSw]

what do you use for colors?

18:58:21 [AaronSw]

thanks, but i meant what program.

18:58:27 [sbp]

program?

18:58:38 [AaronSw]

like, do you just have the color values memorized and pick some good ones?

18:58:43 [sbp]

yeah

18:58:53 [sbp]

Pff, program

18:58:57 [sbp]

as if

18:58:57 [AaronSw]

heh, that's scary

18:59:11 [sbp]

not really - there aren't all that many colors

18:59:16 [sbp]

anyway, gotta run: Simpsons

18:59:19 [AaronSw]

i suppose so.

18:59:27 [AaronSw]

nytol

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19:43:59 [AaronSw]

Rob Kaye: "I would rather be in an IEEE journal than on Slashdot."

19:48:10 [Morbus]

AaronSw, wanna look at something

19:48:12 [Morbus]

for me?

19:48:19 [AaronSw]

sure

19:48:33 [Morbus]

http://www.disobey.com/dnn/test/test.shtml

19:53:33 [Morbus]

what do you think?

19:55:45 [AaronSw]

sort of inconsistent

19:56:32 [AaronSw]

otherwise pretty cool

19:56:46 [AaronSw]

404 http://www.disobey.com/dnn/detergent/detergent/quote.shtml

19:56:55 [Morbus]

phone

19:57:09 [Morbus]

yeah, none of the links work, and the dates will all be the same.

19:57:15 [Morbus]

that's just a quick demo i whipped up this morning.

19:57:19 [Morbus]

it won't be inconsistent when i'm done.

19:57:22 [AaronSw]

oh fine then

19:57:32 [Morbus]

other than that, its fine?

19:58:31 [AaronSw]

Radio UserLand: "We will continue storing your content for 30 days, after which time it will be removed from our servers."

19:58:41 [AaronSw]

yeah, fine

20:48:37 [AaronSw]

heh. I kept wondering why paulgraham.com looked like a yahoostore site.

20:48:57 [Morbus]

anyone in here with a 63 A class?

20:49:40 [AaronSw]

i don't own the whole class

20:50:10 [AaronSw]

but i do have a 63.... IP

20:51:04 [Morbus]

and you can hit disobey.com fine?

20:51:05 [Morbus]

dammit.

20:51:13 [Morbus]

can you do a tracert from that address and mail me?

20:51:26 [AaronSw]

that's not true...

20:51:29 [AaronSw]

6 packets transmitted, 0 packets received, 100% packet loss

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20:51:39 [BenSw]

Hello

20:51:40 [Morbus]

so you can't see disobey right now?

20:51:42 [AaronSw]

hey BenSw

20:51:46 [AaronSw]

not form that IP, no.

20:51:50 [Morbus]

k

20:51:59 [AaronSw]

dies at 12 sl-totalnet-1-0.sprintlink.net (160.81.206.110) 47.074 ms 47.691 ms 47.466 ms

20:53:25 [Morbus]

do you rememner when i asked you to check out those pages?

20:53:29 [Morbus]

you saw them fine then, right?

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wb sbp

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20:57:30 [AaronSw]

BenSw, don't you have something after school today

20:57:30 [AaronSw]

but i can see it fine from home, Morbus

20:57:48 [AaronSw]

i was checking out those pages from home

20:57:54 [BenSw]

yes... but it doesn't start until 3:45

20:57:55 [AaronSw]

not on my server with the 63.* IP

20:58:05 [Morbus]

k, thanks, thats what i needed to know.

20:58:17 [Morbus]

it seems that all 63. peopel can't see me.

20:58:34 [AaronSw]

seems like your sprintlink router is blocking all 63. packets

20:58:56 [Morbus]

if that were true, you wouldn't be able to see http://www.totalnetnh.net/ and i bet you can.

20:59:27 [AaronSw]

hm

20:59:34 [Morbus]

can you?

20:59:37 [AaronSw]

yeah

20:59:44 [AaronSw]

er, your machine is blocking the packets

20:59:53 [BenSw]

why?

21:00:15 [BenSw]

whoops, supposed to do that in AIM

21:04:23 [AaronSw]

@ http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/gate/archive/2002/02/11/creatcom.DTL

21:04:33 [chumpster]

E: All Hail Creative Commons / Stanford professor and author Lawrence Lessig plans a legal insurrection from AaronSw

21:21:11 [Morbus]

AaronSw, can you try disobey from your 63.

21:21:49 [AaronSw]

ok, it's back again

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21:21:55 [Morbus]

great

21:21:58 [Morbus]

thanks

21:31:09 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw writes to Larry Lessig about machine-readible copyright policies

21:31:39 [sbp]

* sbp waves

21:32:17 [AaronSw]

hey

21:32:44 [AaronSw]

aargh! my spell checker is deserting me in my time of need.

21:33:32 [deltab]

no I'm not

21:33:56 [AaronSw]

lol

21:53:35 [AaronSw]

ok, sent. it's in www-archive

21:54:11 [sbp]

* sbp checks his mail

21:54:22 [AaronSw]

David Weinberger has my 2nd favorite email address: self@evident.com

21:54:25 [sbp]

one from Tim, one from some other guy, and one from Aaron

21:54:36 [AaronSw]

My first favorite is dot@dotat.at

21:54:37 [sbp]

and your favourite?

21:54:40 [sbp]

ah

21:54:53 [AaronSw]

that's such a great email address.

21:55:15 [AaronSw]

"so, bob, what's your email address?" "Oh, it's dot at dot at dot at!"

21:55:31 [AaronSw]

Bob [backing away]: Umm.... oookay.

21:55:35 [sbp]

lol

21:55:57 [sbp]

Gotta run

21:56:01 [AaronSw]

[Yes, both people in the story were named Bob. One was Bob B. Bobbington.]

21:56:07 [AaronSw]

c'ya

22:02:25 [AaronSw]

gotta run: drivers ed

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22:11:27 [gordo]

hi

22:11:29 [gordo]

<sbp> anyway, gotta run: Simpsons

22:11:36 [gordo]

That's interesting....

22:12:02 [gordo]

* gordo uses ircii

22:37:34 [sbp]

* sbp waves

22:37:36 [sbp]

hi Gordo!

22:37:53 [sbp]

finally managed to get your client working?

22:39:30 [sbp]

Aaron: nice use of "Bob B. Bobbington"

22:39:32 [Morbus]

bwahah: http://www.livejournal.com/talkpost.bml?journal=anchorless&itemid=140741

22:41:43 [sbp]

ah, Squirrel

22:42:15 [gordo]

hi sbp

22:42:41 [sbp]

Hi there

22:42:42 [gordo]

Yes, I left it running and went out for a few hours:-)

22:42:46 [gordo]

* gordo uses ircii

22:42:53 [gordo]

In real life?

22:42:57 [sbp]

good idea. Aaron rigged me up dircproxy

22:43:02 [sbp]

pardon?

22:43:08 [gordo]

Which pardon?

22:43:13 [sbp]

"In real life?"

22:43:22 [gordo]

I mean here you are.... IRL

22:43:28 [sbp]

indeed

22:43:36 [gordo]

Yes, I am jet logged....

22:43:42 [sbp]

this is where I "hang out"

22:43:50 [sbp]

ah yes, you just returned from vacation

22:43:59 [gordo]

Been in Hawaii for two weeks... getting married and doing tai chi....

22:44:08 [sbp]

ooh, congratulations!

22:44:14 [gordo]

thanks -

22:44:26 [gordo]

So what's new?

22:44:28 [gordo]

:-)

22:44:48 [sbp]

Hmm... I wrote an RDF query/inference engine recently

22:44:56 [gordo]

Nice...

22:45:16 [sbp]

Eep RDF API: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2002Feb/att-0010/01-eep20020209-040416.tar.gz

22:45:23 [gordo]

* gordo works little these days....

22:45:51 [sbp]

I've been listening to plenty of music, writing a few songs, doing a degree, programming bits and bobs, networking, studying crytography/linguistics/logic etc.

22:46:15 [sbp]

and watching T.V. Can't forget T.V.

22:46:30 [sbp]

and sometimes Morbus rants at me, and I rant at him

22:46:37 [sbp]

we have an understanding that way

22:47:14 [Morbus]

* Morbus grumbles.

22:47:19 [gordo]

I see,,, I have your code now, Dave.

22:47:21 [sbp]

of course, there's also the obligatory IRC. As you know, this channel is logged to the Web etc.

22:47:40 [sbp]

Dave? You are not trigger, and this is not Only Fools And Horses

22:47:51 [gordo]

I will try to behave... a local channel for local people?

22:48:03 [sbp]

depends upon your definition of "local" :-)

22:48:08 [sbp]

local to this planet, I guess

22:48:16 [sbp]

no need to behave

22:48:18 [gordo]

gordo is now known as Papalzorou

22:48:28 [Papalzorou]

* Papalzorou watches TV

22:48:34 [Papalzorou]

Papalzorou is now known as gordo

22:48:56 [sbp]

.google Papalzorou

22:48:57 [xena]

no results found.

22:49:01 [sbp]

Hmm...

22:55:32 [sbp]

so, will you be frequenting this channel now, or is this just an impromptu visit?

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23:06:45 [gordo]

http://www.leagueofgentlemen.co.uk/ may help

23:06:51 [gordo]

Yes. I will be here...

23:10:37 [gordo]

Papa Lazarou

23:11:38 [sbp]

ah. I haven't watched that for a while. It is rather funny

23:12:19 [gordo]

Yes, very funny.

23:14:26 [gordo]

"You're my wife now, Dave"

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23:25:33 [sbp]

wb Morbus

23:26:17 [Morbus]

thankee.

23:31:01 [Morbus]

gordo?

23:31:07 [Morbus]

i have a classic monster movie called gorgo.

23:31:15 [Morbus]

are you as cute as that rubbery creation?

23:34:15 [Morbus]

jeez, you talk as much as gorgo too.

23:34:31 [Morbus]

* Morbus pokes gordo.

23:34:42 [Morbus]

i'm stealing yer baby?! stealing yer baby?

23:34:46 [Morbus]

* Morbus pokes, pokes.

23:34:54 [Morbus]

stupid gordo.

23:35:58 [Morbus]

* Morbus electrocutes gordo.

23:36:08 [Morbus]

* Morbus taps impatiently.

23:36:11 [Morbus]

dammit. this movie sucks.

23:36:18 [Morbus]

* Morbus walks out.

23:36:50 [sbp]

good popcorn, though

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23:57:03 [Morbus]

god fucking dammit.