IRC log of swhack on 2002-02-11

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00:29:37 [doid]
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01:20:43 [sbp]
* sbp does another pen sketch
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01:50:48 [doid]
* Trying out sbp's Eep API
01:57:04 [sbp]
cool
01:57:27 [sbp]
let me know if you have any problems, comments, questions, etc.
01:58:47 [doid]
Ooh its good - just got the to xhtml thing to work
01:59:05 [sbp]
:-)
01:59:13 [doid]
I'm a real beginner when it comes to this stuff
01:59:28 [doid]
So I geta real sense of excitement :-)
01:59:59 [sbp]
me too, although that's probably due to other reasons (the thrill of working code!)
02:00:26 [sbp]
I tried to make sure that Eep was as striaghtforward as possible, and that the tests would run out of the box
02:00:42 [doid]
It did, can't say better than that
02:01:24 [doid]
away for a few mins...
02:01:45 [sbp]
O.K.
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02:09:37 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw waves
02:10:04 [doid]
Hellooo
02:11:07 [doid]
sbp: I've lots of questions, but they're mainly newbie stuff that I should spend time on
02:11:18 [doid]
or ask somewhere else
02:12:15 [AaronSw]
Neh, asking questions is fine.
02:12:56 [doid]
OK, what is the best way to organise all these .py files
02:13:30 [doid]
I have directories: sw plex chord cwm etc
02:13:44 [AaronSw]
that's cool until they get interdependent ;)
02:13:57 [doid]
and I keep running into what seem to be dependency probs ;)
02:14:19 [doid]
Should they all be int he same directory then?
02:14:29 [AaronSw]
Heh. That's actually a poorly-solved problem. The two choices seem to be: throw them in one directory or add sys.path.append(directoryname) to the top of them.
02:15:01 [deltab]
or put a .pth file in each dir
02:15:11 [doid]
Off for a few mins homework, then... thanks
02:15:26 [AaronSw]
Really... I've never heard of that...
02:15:28 [AaronSw]
.google python pth
02:15:29 [xena]
python pth: http://aspn.activestate.com/ASPN/Mail/Message/python-list/960233
02:15:34 [doid]
Oh, I'm on win, to my chagrin
02:16:56 [sbp]
* sbp waves, still sketching
02:17:22 [AaronSw]
what're you sketching?
02:17:37 [sbp]
I'm sketching a painting
02:17:43 [sbp]
bizarrely enough
02:17:49 [AaronSw]
Heh. What's the painting of?
02:17:53 [sbp]
I hadn't heard of *.pth files either
02:18:05 [AaronSw]
i think they're just '.pth'
02:18:12 [deltab]
no
02:18:20 [AaronSw]
hm?
02:18:36 [deltab]
e.g.
02:19:01 [deltab]
/usr/local/lib/python2.0/site-packages/PIL.pth
02:19:01 [deltab]
/usr/local/lib/python2.2/site-packages/Numeric.pth
02:19:58 [AaronSw]
interesting
02:29:55 [doid]
I think I'm grateful he's not dancing :)
02:30:31 [jeremiah]
it's funnier if you know him
02:31:03 [doid]
I'm sure.
02:31:20 [doid]
Anyone got these path files working?
02:31:44 [doid]
A quick search revealed that sbp has come across this problem...
02:32:05 [doid]
ImportError: No module named sha512c
02:32:25 [doid]
(trying the Chord files)
02:36:15 [sbp]
ah, I had to create my own wrapper
02:36:38 [sbp]
.google "SHA 512" Python wrapper
02:36:39 [xena]
"SHA 512" Python wrapper: http://lwn.net/2001/1115/bylicense.php3
02:36:45 [sbp]
blargh
02:36:49 [sbp]
.google "SHA 512" Python wrapper site:lists.w3.org
02:36:50 [xena]
no results found.
02:37:09 [sbp]
well, it's in www-archive, anyway
02:37:38 [doid]
I've got the wrapper
02:37:59 [doid]
But I still get that error
02:38:17 [sbp]
oh, sha512c?
02:38:18 [doid]
despite it loading the sha512 module ok
02:38:26 [doid]
Yah
02:38:39 [sbp]
just copy the sha512.py file into one called sha512c.py - perhaps that'll do it
02:40:07 [doid]
Congratulations to me! It worked!
02:41:47 [doid]
Very addictive this stuff.
02:42:36 [sbp]
:-)
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02:58:55 [doid]
How does the berkeleydb tie into the python code?
03:20:40 [AaronSw]
Rather nicely, I think.
03:21:13 [doid]
Smarty! Tcl or C?
03:21:23 [AaronSw]
BerkelyDB is written in C.
03:21:34 [AaronSw]
There's a very nice Python wrapper for it, tho.
03:22:02 [doid]
Ah. Can't get enough homework at the moment
03:23:16 [AaronSw]
Hmm, I'm having a hard time thinking of things to delegate, to be honesy.
03:23:30 [doid]
What sort of things be they?
03:24:06 [AaronSw]
Well, the big categories are Network, Storage, Website, Interfaces, Apps
03:25:16 [doid]
Sounds out of my league
03:25:25 [doid]
but happy to start somewhere
03:26:17 [AaronSw]
In terms of storage good things to do would be to learn how to optimize jer's berkeleydb code and perhaps write some SQL-based storage interfaces.
03:27:35 [doid]
Blimey. I'll do some learning.
03:27:41 [AaronSw]
Heh, heh
03:27:57 [doid]
btw, is the bdb code up somewhere?
03:28:17 [doid]
back in a few...
03:28:18 [AaronSw]
Hmm, no -- I'll commit it now.
03:35:44 [doid]
Heehee
03:36:06 [doid]
I think I'm confused - I thought chord is the network
03:36:21 [AaronSw]
The network is based on the Chord primitive.
03:36:31 [AaronSw]
Chord is just a way of mapping IDs to computers.
03:36:36 [doid]
ok
03:37:02 [AaronSw]
dbstore.py: initial revision: 1.1
03:37:41 [AaronSw]
jeremiah, i checked in dbstore.py and modified it a bit: http://cvs.plexdev.org/viewcvs/viewcvs.cgi/plex/plex/plexrdf/dbstore.py
03:38:13 [jeremiah]
cool
03:38:18 [AaronSw]
sbp, let me know when you get the query engine and inferencer ported to PlexRDF.
03:38:23 [sbp]
will do
03:38:25 [jeremiah]
odd that I just un-zipped this window when you said that
03:38:34 [AaronSw]
Heh, it is.
03:38:39 [jeremiah]
* jeremiah is moving over (maybe) to movable type
03:38:42 [AaronSw]
It's IRC-ESP.
03:38:45 [AaronSw]
;-)
03:38:51 [AaronSw]
ooh, neat!
03:38:54 [jeremiah]
yeah
03:39:02 [AaronSw]
you're the second person today.
03:39:05 [jeremiah]
what do i do with this python script you have?
03:39:17 [AaronSw]
the stats one?
03:39:23 [sbp]
Aaron: can you provide PlexRDF as a .tar.gz, please?
03:39:29 [AaronSw]
i already do
03:39:36 [AaronSw]
just get: http://cvs.plexdev.org/viewcvs/viewcvs.cgi/plex/plex/plexrdf/plexrdf.tar.gz?tarball=1
03:39:37 [jeremiah]
no, the converter one
03:39:52 [jeremiah]
dear god I have 313 radio posts already
03:40:01 [AaronSw]
Oh, that. You put it in your data/backups/weblogArchives directory and run it.
03:40:36 [AaronSw]
err /Applications/Radio UserLand/backups/weblogArchive/posts to be exact
03:40:45 [jeremiah]
ok
03:40:53 [jeremiah]
well, let me transfer those posts over to this computer and do that
03:41:38 [AaronSw]
then you run:
03:41:39 [AaronSw]
ls *.xml | xargs -n 1 python converter.py
03:42:01 [jeremiah]
ah cool
03:42:12 [AaronSw]
oh, and pipe it to a file ;-)
03:42:23 [AaronSw]
ls *.xml | xargs -n 1 python converter.py > mt.txt
03:42:31 [jeremiah]
1.2Megs of XML
03:42:35 [jeremiah]
pure xml posts
03:42:35 [jeremiah]
wow
03:42:41 [AaronSw]
i guess you have it turned on then :)
03:43:11 [jeremiah]
odd "name sys is not defined"
03:43:28 [AaronSw]
is the first line "import sys, re..."?
03:43:31 [AaronSw]
in converter.py
03:43:36 [jeremiah]
yeah, but it's fudged with some binary crap
03:43:44 [AaronSw]
urgh
03:43:56 [AaronSw]
wonder how that got there
03:44:40 [jeremiah]
let's see, deleted it, installin ga module
03:44:49 [jeremiah]
ok, now it's running
03:46:04 [AaronSw]
AtAT: "For example, we know it's Sweeps Month because Cordy got naked on "Angel." We know it's almost Valentine's Day because everything at The Mall is that heinous shade of pink. We know it's winter here in New England because, well, it's New England and the calendar doesn't say "July." And we know it's Out Of Left Field Press Release season because Apple is suddenly harping on about how QuickTime has "surpassed" RealPlayer."
03:48:39 [doid]
AtAT?
03:48:48 [AaronSw]
As the Apple Turns: http://appleturns.com/
03:48:57 [AaronSw]
Everyone's favorite Apple Soap Opera.
03:49:54 [AaronSw]
Giggle: 'Note to TiVo: the "Thumbs Up" and "Thumbs Down" buttons on the remote are great, but AtAT's resident fact-checker and Goddess of Minutiae Katie sees a desperate need for the addition of a "Good God, NO" button as well.'
03:50:20 [jeremiah]
* jeremiah wonders if movable type is importing this stuff right now
03:50:33 [AaronSw]
Did you tell it to?
03:50:53 [AaronSw]
then you have to put mt.txt in movable type's input folder and run mt-import.cgi, i think
03:50:59 [sbp]
How can I tell what the type of a node is using PlexRDF? I need to test for Exivars, and Univars
03:51:05 [jeremiah]
yes I told it to
03:51:09 [sbp]
I don't see any mention of universal quantification at all in the API
03:51:13 [jeremiah]
it's just taking a while
03:51:26 [sbp]
I presume that to test for a bNode, I ask for self.ruid
03:51:31 [jeremiah]
ok, it did it
03:51:42 [AaronSw]
sbp, if node.uri exists and node.univar doesn't, it's a normal uri
03:51:55 [AaronSw]
if uri is none or doesn't exist and neither does univar, it's a bNode
03:52:02 [AaronSw]
if univar exists, then it's a universal
03:52:11 [AaronSw]
we should proabably get a better system than this
03:52:13 [sbp]
ah, it's in the node() function, not the class: if uni: n.universal = uni
03:53:01 [sbp]
oh, I can't do it
03:53:02 [sbp]
no univar labels
03:53:10 [AaronSw]
huh?
03:53:24 [AaronSw]
univars should have ruids
03:53:29 [sbp]
it just sets self.univar to "1", which isn't all that helpful
03:53:49 [sbp]
ruids? how's that going to work?
03:54:10 [sbp]
If you have { ?x ?y ?z } => { ?z ?y ?x } you need to know about the labels
03:54:31 [sbp]
if you generate a random ID everytime you come across a Univar, there's no way that you can do inferences
03:54:38 [AaronSw]
yeah, so your little query thing keeps a label->node dictionary
03:55:17 [sbp]
O.K.
03:56:20 [AaronSw]
I bet that Jack has a special key to type in "resident fact-checker and Goddess of Minutiae" for him. He says it like three times every episode.
03:56:50 [jeremiah]
http://kingprimate.com/weblog/
03:56:55 [jeremiah]
still in beta
03:57:16 [AaronSw]
Heh, "Stop that! It looks too much like my weblog!" ;-)
03:57:23 [jeremiah]
haha
03:57:28 [jeremiah]
well, if they offered more templates..
03:57:31 [jeremiah]
I suppose they do
03:57:32 [jeremiah]
somewhere
03:58:40 [AaronSw]
it's all CSS, so it's really easy to modify.
03:58:45 [jeremiah]
yeah
03:58:56 [AaronSw]
Just change the colors around and it's a Whole New You! (TM)
03:58:57 [jeremiah]
I want to get it so i can edit stuff in radio and have it stream up to MT
03:58:58 [jeremiah]
that'd be enat
03:58:59 [jeremiah]
neat*
03:59:11 [AaronSw]
Yeah, should be easy -- just use the Blogger APi.
04:00:24 [sbp]
will both univars and exivars have a ruid?
04:00:31 [AaronSw]
they should.
04:00:47 [sbp]
that makes it easier
04:00:56 [AaronSw]
jeremiah, for some reason MT seems to think that http://www.kingprimate.com/weblog/mt.cgi//styles-site.css is your CSS file
04:01:01 [jeremiah]
hmm
04:01:07 [jeremiah]
well, I'll fix all of that stuff later, but thanks
04:01:22 [AaronSw]
it makes some pages look spectacularly ugly ;)
04:01:28 [AaronSw]
i think it's a little thing in the prefs
04:02:08 [AaronSw]
hm, also screws up all your links :)
04:02:17 [jeremiah]
yes
04:02:25 [jeremiah]
rebuilding site
04:02:57 [jeremiah]
is it better now?
04:03:06 [jeremiah]
it doesn't wanna let me view archives without logging in...
04:03:12 [AaronSw]
Yeah, that's better.
04:03:20 [AaronSw]
archives: should be fixed after you rebuild
04:03:29 [jeremiah]
i did rebuild
04:03:32 [jeremiah]
:(
04:03:44 [AaronSw]
then you still need to delete the mt.cgi off of one of your prefs
04:03:50 [jeremiah]
hmm
04:05:54 [AaronSw]
or maybe rebuild all again
04:06:03 [jeremiah]
yeah, i am
04:06:10 [jeremiah]
it was still in there on the archive link part
04:06:14 [AaronSw]
aha
04:06:44 [jeremiah]
I don't like setting titles for blog entries
04:07:03 [AaronSw]
.google jeremiah rogers blogger
04:07:05 [xena]
jeremiah rogers blogger: http://lhs.blogspot.com
04:07:14 [jeremiah]
jeremiah.blogspot.com too
04:09:14 [AaronSw]
lol! http://jeremiah.blogspot.com/2001_12_09_jeremiah_archive.html#7789284
04:09:46 [jeremiah]
which part is the funny part?
04:10:27 [AaronSw]
the concept: him blaming his stupid server management skills on our national liberty and whatnot
04:10:36 [jeremiah]
ahh
04:10:39 [jeremiah]
that was a joke though
04:10:43 [AaronSw]
I know.
04:10:50 [jeremiah]
ok cool
04:11:53 [jeremiah]
now let's see about a script to convert all that blogger stuff
04:12:02 [jeremiah]
into stuff for movable type..
04:12:25 [jeremiah]
"dammit jeremiah, just go to sleep already"
04:12:47 [AaronSw]
next: imporing the library of congress into MT
04:13:57 [doid]
or scripting news :)
04:14:03 [jeremiah]
yeah
04:14:24 [jeremiah]
then importing MT into my brain
04:14:28 [sbp]
"Store" really needs updating
04:14:37 [doid]
Then mine
04:14:50 [AaronSw]
sbp, yeah... feel free to work on it :0
04:15:12 [sbp]
well, it only needs simple stuff like being able to merge two stores
04:15:47 [AaronSw]
for triple in otherStore: self.store(triple)
04:16:18 [jeremiah]
now if blogger supported military time...
04:16:21 [jeremiah]
we'd be perfectly set
04:16:35 [AaronSw]
the mt manual has instructions, i think
04:16:51 [jeremiah]
well I almost have it done really
04:17:12 [jeremiah]
http://jeremiah.blogspot.com/
04:17:35 [AaronSw]
hmm. i don't think the idea was to write over your old blog ;-)
04:17:46 [jeremiah]
well the template it used to use was stock
04:17:50 [jeremiah]
I can reinstate it in seconds
04:17:52 [jeremiah]
:)
04:17:58 [AaronSw]
ah
04:18:41 [AaronSw]
<Blogger>
04:18:41 [AaronSw]
AUTHOR: <$BlogItemAuthor$>
04:18:41 [AaronSw]
DATE: <$BlogItemDateTime$>
04:18:42 [AaronSw]
-----
04:18:42 [AaronSw]
BODY:
04:18:42 [AaronSw]
<$BlogItemBody$>
04:18:44 [AaronSw]
--------
04:18:47 [AaronSw]
</Blogger>
04:18:47 [sbp]
* sbp kinda completes porting of query.py to PlexRDF
04:18:49 [AaronSw]
Set Date/Time Format to the format MM/DD/YYYY HH:MM:SS AM|PM. (Note: the format will not look like this in the menu; instead it will be the current time, formatted.)
04:18:51 [jeremiah]
yeah, just found that
04:19:16 [AaronSw]
argh! why won't emacs edit this file -- i'm root!
04:19:24 [AaronSw]
sbp, feel free to email it to me or whatever...
04:19:30 [jeremiah]
you have no respect for a man's honor in not readin the manual :)
04:19:32 [AaronSw]
should i overwrite goynifiad?
04:19:36 [sbp]
I need to clear up formatting
04:19:38 [jeremiah]
s/man/boy
04:19:40 [sbp]
currently I'
04:19:41 [AaronSw]
Heh,
04:19:48 [sbp]
I'm working with it as eepquery.py
04:21:13 [jeremiah]
looks like MT supports AM/PM
04:21:14 [jeremiah]
cool
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04:22:44 [doid]
Even so, I'll be stubbornly staying with Radio
04:22:52 [AaronSw]
hey rillian
04:23:05 [rillian]
howdy
04:23:16 [rillian]
had a good week-end?
04:23:37 [AaronSw]
it was nice, and you?
04:23:54 [rillian]
pretty nice
04:23:59 [rillian]
icky weather
04:25:30 [AaronSw]
ugh, i hate having to fix other people's broken code for a website i don't care about anymore so that some guy who spells signs "sings" can get his post to display.
04:26:07 [rillian]
ouch
04:27:13 [doid]
One of my servers is down, back ina few...
04:27:13 [rillian]
fwiw, I had to wait all weekend to hear back from somebody about permission to fix some copyright nits the FSF complained about so I can actually release the ghostscript verison I made on wednesday
04:29:25 [AaronSw]
blargh. copyright nits are so annoying.
04:30:02 [jeremiah]
imported blogger
04:30:14 [wmf]
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swhack!
04:30:42 [jeremiah]
hey wes
04:31:13 [sbp]
pff, iteration over non-sequence...
04:31:28 [sbp]
* sbp waves
04:31:34 [AaronSw]
wes!
04:32:03 [doid]
Hello all recent swhack entrants
04:32:17 [doid]
(delayed) Aaron: so the network isn't a replication of Chord techniques to
04:32:18 [doid]
map ID's to objects on computers?
04:32:53 [AaronSw]
well, it uses those, but it needs to do more than just that to do all the things we ant
04:32:59 [AaronSw]
s/ ant/want/
04:33:06 [AaronSw]
err, you know what i mean
04:33:09 [jeremiah]
I never knew file creation dates could be so sentimental
04:33:21 [jeremiah]
I'm looking at the dates for files that have phone #s of ex girlfriends
04:33:22 [jeremiah]
heh
04:33:31 [AaronSw]
Heh, heh!
04:33:50 [AaronSw]
cvs history girlfriends.txt
04:35:03 [jeremiah]
I will have blogs dating back to oct 24th 2000 now
04:35:27 [AaronSw]
that's more than wes can say.
04:35:28 [sbp]
heh, this didn't work:-
04:35:29 [sbp]
[[[
04:35:30 [sbp]
<#Bob> <#sonOf> <#Fred> .
04:35:30 [sbp]
<#Fred> <#sonOf> <#John> .
04:35:30 [sbp]
<#John> <#sonOf> <#Wayne> .
04:35:30 [sbp]
?ruidfzmINsm3szHG <#grandchildOf> ?ruidfzmINsm3szHG .
04:35:31 [sbp]
]]]
04:35:34 [jeremiah]
nah, actually I might go farther
04:35:50 [sbp]
* sbp gives up on that, and goes to get food
04:35:52 [jeremiah]
I go back to october 1999
04:36:20 [jeremiah]
dunno if I want to format those ones into a new system though
04:36:21 [doid]
Great, more reading for me, tell me if there's a blob available :)
04:36:23 [jeremiah]
that might be a bit harsh
04:36:41 [jeremiah]
well, the cool thing is have journals from when i didn't even know C
04:36:46 [AaronSw]
"Watch jeremiah's writing improve over time!"
04:36:50 [jeremiah]
yeah
04:36:58 [jeremiah]
"the life of a programmer"
04:37:30 [doid]
Will I ever know it?
04:37:37 [AaronSw]
100 PRINT "HELLO, WORLD"
04:37:53 [doid]
Tee hee
04:38:04 [sbp]
try not to talk in upper case - it upsets wmf
04:38:21 [wmf]
hey, no need to put words in my mouth
04:38:27 [sbp]
:-)
04:38:52 [AaronSw]
Hey Wes, I found a McCusker story with you as a character.
04:39:14 [wmf]
yeah, I think I remember that there was one
04:39:28 [AaronSw]
You get tortured while Ged looks on. ;-)
04:40:46 [wmf]
I wonder how long it will be before the GPL flames start (about my latest HTP entry)
04:41:45 [AaronSw]
Heh! Kragen learned GET-vs.-POST the hard way -- ht://dig wiped out his knowledge-base once when the delete function was a GET.
04:42:35 [AaronSw]
I would think that hotornot would have similar problems
04:42:42 [wmf]
mwahaha! that'll teach him!
04:42:56 [jeremiah]
wow this will be painful to convert everything into a nice importable file
04:42:57 [wmf]
I see AaronSw gets a mention in Eve's story about ArsDigita
04:43:03 [AaronSw]
I noticed that too. ;-)
04:44:39 [wmf]
woo, preemptible kernel!
04:45:18 [AaronSw]
i saw that somewhere else today...
04:45:37 [wmf]
slashdot most likely
04:45:53 [AaronSw]
i don't read slashdot -- i count on you to read it for me ;)
04:46:00 [AaronSw]
ah, it was dajobes secret blog.
04:46:01 [wmf]
oh, ok
04:46:27 [DruidX]
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04:47:09 [wmf]
I was out of town for over 30 hours and I didn't miss much news
04:47:30 [jeremiah]
* jeremiah reads his entry about creating his first home network...
04:47:59 [DruidX]
hi
04:48:03 [jeremiah]
hi
04:48:25 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw gets chinese-new-year mass-mail
04:48:49 [jeremiah]
haha
04:48:50 [jeremiah]
why?
04:49:32 [AaronSw]
from the kind of people who assume that everyone in their address book should be honored by their email
04:49:41 [jeremiah]
oh yeah
04:49:48 [wmf]
hmm, I used to know where David Mc's referers are
04:51:06 [DruidX]
so whats this channel really about?
04:51:16 [sbp]
anything
04:51:34 [AaronSw]
DruidX, Semantic Web and Python development tools for enhancing emergent network distribution plans
04:51:38 [AaronSw]
Heh: http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~ian/mokiecoke/
04:51:54 [jeremiah]
* jeremiah thinks "wow, I used to be such a dumbass"
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04:53:21 [sbp]
"anything" has a nicer ring to it
04:53:46 [AaronSw]
mine was scarier
04:53:59 [AaronSw]
re: <wmf> I wonder how long it will be before the GPL flames start (about my latest HTP entry)
04:54:01 [AaronSw]
which entry is that?
04:54:21 [wmf]
the only entry from today
04:54:32 [wmf]
adns is GPLed, you see
04:54:37 [AaronSw]
aha
04:54:48 [doid]
glockenspiel
04:54:58 [doid]
(I did'nt understand either)
04:55:10 [AaronSw]
I have to read up on that: does it matter if you don't distribute the linked version?
04:55:50 [AaronSw]
oh, i came up with a Hacking Copyright With Encryption 2.0 -- encrypt the decryption key so that you can counter-sue for violation of the DMCA if anyone sues you for copyright violation.
04:56:06 [wmf]
if you don't distribute, nothing matters
04:56:26 [wmf]
re the DMCA, that won't work
04:56:49 [AaronSw]
why not? i can't claim copyright on large relatively random numbers
04:56:52 [AaronSw]
?
04:57:06 [wmf]
breaking crypto is only illegal *when the crypto is used to protect copyrighted work*. as you said, random numbers are not copyrightable
04:57:36 [AaronSw]
argh? whose stupid idea was that? if my monkies bang out shakespeare, does that mean shakespeare can't copyright it?
04:57:51 [wmf]
only "expressive" works are copyrightable
04:57:55 [jeremiah]
"I bought an iBook today! Along with a copy of the osX beta. I feel super-pimp right now. I also have that nasty feeling you get after spending WAAAY too much money on something. But it'll go away"
04:58:07 [jeremiah]
September 13th, 2000
04:58:11 [wmf]
hence the battle over whether code is copyrightable
04:58:31 [AaronSw]
That battle was in the 70s, tho.
04:58:37 [wmf]
no
04:58:41 [wmf]
that was last year
04:58:48 [AaronSw]
That was free speech.
04:58:59 [AaronSw]
not copyright.
04:59:01 [wmf]
oh, you're right
04:59:04 [wmf]
I was getting it confused
04:59:29 [wmf]
the question was the same
04:59:30 [jeremiah]
hmm
04:59:41 [AaronSw]
my random number generator is creative and expressive!
04:59:41 [jeremiah]
* jeremiah gets bored quickly with those arguments
04:59:44 [jeremiah]
I get bored with most arguments
04:59:45 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw gives up this argument
05:00:16 [AaronSw]
How about I encrypt the copyrighted material using a poem i wrote, then encrypt the poem?
05:00:24 [AaronSw]
(couldn't resist)
05:00:28 [jeremiah]
* jeremiah hits aaron
05:01:48 [AaronSw]
no, but that would work, right?
05:01:52 [AaronSw]
since i have copyright on the poem
05:01:59 [jeremiah]
err
05:02:03 [jeremiah]
time to got to sleep
05:02:05 [jeremiah]
* jeremiah is away: sleeping
05:02:05 [jeremiah]
:)
05:02:21 [doid]
Jeremiah: Can't find that exact reference
05:02:27 [doid]
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05:02:33 [jeremiah]
doid: what?
05:02:36 [doid]
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05:02:46 [jeremiah]
doid: what reference?
05:03:07 [doid]
iBook puchase
05:03:18 [jeremiah]
ah, well that is in the part that I haven't added to the system
05:03:23 [jeremiah]
as it is in unpure nasty html
05:03:27 [doid]
Tee hee, lots of reading for me
05:03:42 [doid]
Back in few...
05:03:58 [sbp]
* sbp wonders if IRC can be categorzied as streaming or paged media
05:04:17 [jeremiah]
however, I will be adding the october 1999 - May 2000 stuff in soon
05:04:26 [sbp]
s/can be/is/
05:04:28 [jeremiah]
oh shit! and I have even more old-old radio stuff to add!
05:04:30 [jeremiah]
wow!
05:04:45 [jeremiah]
* jeremiah loves piecing together his life
05:05:30 [jeremiah]
* jeremiah really leaves now
05:05:45 [sbp]
Pff - history is easy to look up now that the computer age is upon us
05:08:12 [sbp]
then again, the noise/signal ratio gets worse when you allow the non-cetralized media producers to publish information cheaply and quickly
05:13:03 [sbp]
the gap between /DesignIssues/Metadata and /DesignIssues/Semantic still integues me - I wonder if anyone has documented the transition from PICS to RDF?
05:14:14 [sbp]
I like the latter day annotations in /Metadata
05:14:15 [doid]
Surely choice is always good. It is still very difficult to get history in - you have to very able to do it to it well.
05:14:51 [doid]
Um, that didn't come out quite right
05:15:54 [sbp]
I know what you mean - the quality of each information provider is obvious in most cases. People trust the NYTimes more than they'd trust any arbitrary page at some "free homespace" provider
05:16:36 [doid]
Yes, which means noise/signal is about to worsen
05:16:42 [sbp]
* sbp wonders how much of the PICS-to-RDF transition material is member-private
05:17:07 [sbp]
why does my statement infer your conclusion?
05:17:43 [doid]
Rapid increase in the number of trusted sources, as defined by google, maybe
05:18:11 [sbp]
\topic Google as reputation server: everybody's talkin' 'bout it!
05:18:38 [sbp]
yes, I didn't think of it that way
05:18:52 [doid]
It was a tangent really
05:19:52 [sbp]
so, are you saying that irregardless of the amount of junk that gets added to the Web, if the amount of trusted information sources go up, then that's a strain on any future historians?
05:20:50 [sbp]
Hmm... I have an odd tendency to use "amount" where I should use "number"
05:23:02 [doid]
No, I was just thinking about a possible short term phenomena
05:23:43 [doid]
It is probable that no historian can now achieve perfect granularity
05:23:51 [doid]
for want of a better term
05:24:35 [wmf]
ok, I've done my punditing for the week
05:24:56 [doid]
Thanks for it, wmf
05:27:38 [AaronSw]
Interesting.
05:28:16 [AaronSw]
Henry Minsky was talking to me about omething like that.
05:28:46 [doid]
I'm not convinced I've said anything interesting
05:28:54 [doid]
must've been sbp
05:29:00 [doid]
:-)
05:29:14 [AaronSw]
no, wes
05:32:47 [doid]
(from logs) preemtible kernel?
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05:32:57 [AaronSw]
.google preemtible kernel
05:32:58 [xena]
preemtible kernel: http://www.linuxhq.com/kernel/v2.4/changes/2.4.5-pre.html
05:33:20 [wmf]
maybe later I'll talk about why I'm a little worried that separating wires and switches (cf Bob Frankston) could make phone bills go up
05:33:50 [wmf]
wow, that is a great result! too bad the query was misspelled
05:34:33 [AaronSw]
http://www.tech9.net/rml/linux/
05:35:25 [wmf]
man, I am tired of hearing about valentine's day
05:36:18 [doid]
me too, trying to find a group to go out with
05:38:25 [doid]
reading satn.org
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05:46:52 [sbp]
Hmm... we need an automatic #swhack topic generator - a bit like that automatic slashdot news program
05:56:39 [doid]
.time
05:56:39 [xena]
2002/02/11 05:58:08.46121 Universal
05:58:11 [doid]
I'm wondering how wmf's separation of wires and switches relates to Bob Frankston's "distinct connectivity business" from content provision.
05:58:30 [wmf]
doid: it's exactly the same thing
05:59:58 [doid]
Necessarily? I don't see that.
06:00:02 [wmf]
I gotta find food; bbl
06:00:15 [wmf]
not necessarily, but that's what I mean
06:00:28 [doid]
okay, me off for a bit too
06:01:10 [doid]
Bu worried about my phone bills :)
06:19:23 [doid]
Hmm. Maybe a distinct wireless business would be prone to becoming an oligopoly or monopoly as
06:19:24 [doid]
because average
06:19:24 [doid]
total costs continually decline with increased output.
06:21:01 [sbp]
Gotta run
06:27:14 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw finds McCusker's referers list pretty easily.
06:27:21 [AaronSw]
the bad-style page is http://www.iunknown.com/Weblog/fog0000000099.html
06:29:58 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw throws some redirects in his Radio UserLand website, figures out how to mass rerender.
06:30:35 [AaronSw]
Well, that should take care of that for now.
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06:41:08 [AaronSw]
Fortune:
06:41:08 [AaronSw]
"Mind if I smoke?"
06:41:08 [AaronSw]
"I don't care if you burst into flames and die!"
06:43:02 [AaronSw]
nite all
06:43:28 [doid]
Bye. If my clent dies, I won't be back, thanks, later (markets opening)
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14:04:43 [kham]
hello all
14:04:47 [kham]
hello Aaron
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14:54:22 [Morbus]
morning all.
14:54:34 [Morbus]
AaronSw, when you're around, i wanna talk about os x and python.
14:55:10 [AaronSw]
ok, i'll wake up in a second
14:55:18 [Morbus]
k.
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15:01:55 [juonno]
hello
15:02:08 [juonno]
hum there are somebody here ?
15:02:09 [Morbus]
hey juonna.
15:02:11 [juonno]
lol
15:02:12 [AaronSw]
wassup Morbus?
15:02:15 [juonno]
i am french
15:02:25 [Morbus]
AaronSw: macpython or the python for linux? which should i use on OS X?
15:02:26 [juonno]
but i search a serial of XP pro
15:02:34 [Morbus]
ack! juonno. wrong room. go away.
15:02:40 [juonno]
arf
15:02:48 [juonno]
so where room ?
15:02:57 [AaronSw]
try #serialz on EFNet
15:02:57 [Morbus]
there's no room on openprojects like that.
15:03:05 [juonno]
oki thank AaronSw
15:03:16 [juonno]
bye
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15:03:30 [Morbus]
jeez, first thing monday morning. sigh.
15:03:35 [AaronSw]
Heh. I use the Linux version
15:03:49 [Morbus]
ok. so you don't care about Cocoa/Carbon interfacing with MacPython?
15:05:13 [AaronSw]
No, I just haven't been able to make it work yet.
15:05:29 [AaronSw]
Well, I use MacPython for TKinter and stuff like that.
15:05:47 [AaronSw]
And I think pygame might require it...
15:05:57 [Morbus]
oh, so you have both on your box?
15:06:04 [Morbus]
was the pylinux easy to install?
15:06:11 [AaronSw]
fink install python
15:06:16 [Morbus]
planning on installing it later this week.
15:06:24 [Morbus]
pff, you wanna hear my latest os x trouble?
15:06:36 [Morbus]
if i DL more than 2Megs contiguous, the damn machine locks up cold.
15:06:45 [AaronSw]
you and your dialup
15:06:48 [Morbus]
no kernel panicks, no log entries, just frozen. cold boot to restore.
15:06:54 [Morbus]
but it works fine under 9.
15:07:04 [Morbus]
annoying as hell.
15:07:19 [AaronSw]
i bet
15:07:42 [AaronSw]
maybe you should switch to earthlink DSL ;)
15:07:52 [Morbus]
pfff.
15:07:55 [Morbus]
it has nothing to do with that.
15:07:58 [Morbus]
since it works fine under 9.
15:08:09 [Morbus]
i don't want DSL.
15:08:24 [AaronSw]
Fine, we'll just play mudpie without you.
15:08:31 [Morbus]
heh
15:08:41 [Morbus]
.google play mudpie
15:08:42 [xena]
play mudpie: http://www.scleroderma.org/news/newscartoonists.htm
15:09:04 [AaronSw]
mudpie is the interactive mmorpg from the myst folks
15:09:09 [AaronSw]
.google cyan mudpie
15:09:10 [xena]
cyan mudpie: http://members.aol.com/mystsequel6/mudpie/intro1.html
15:09:29 [Morbus]
ah.
15:09:34 [Morbus]
i'm more a fan of browser based games, personally.
15:09:58 [Morbus]
its weird. i can run tcpdump whilst i'm downloading, and when the screen freezes, there's nothing interesting to account for it.
15:10:18 [Morbus]
and it happens infrequently. last night i downloaded a crap of mp3s, but then it froze when I went to get some OJ.
15:10:32 [Morbus]
but i guarentee that when I start to mirror gamegrene.com, or else dl python, the blasted thing will freeze.
15:10:56 [AaronSw]
just running tcpdump made my computer freeze like that
15:11:19 [Morbus]
really? odd. i only started running tcpdump as a diagnostic measure... it's not causing them.
15:12:11 [AaronSw]
man, my server had a rough night
15:13:24 [AaronSw]
from my inbox: "hey man i saw something about pie in the face contests on your website. can you tell me what that was all about?"
15:13:46 [Morbus]
whaaa? <g>
15:13:53 [AaronSw]
this sounds like a good excuse to check my referers
15:14:04 [Morbus]
heh.
15:14:19 [Morbus]
i check mine every Monday.
15:14:45 [Morbus]
man, gamegrene.com is doing hot lately. 100,000+ a week.
15:15:46 [Morbus]
ahhh. i got a big hit from theonering.net
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* AaronSw is away: school
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17:26:06 [Morbus]
hey rillian.
17:26:10 [Morbus]
are you on crackmonkey?
17:26:15 [rillian]
morning!
17:26:26 [rillian]
yes, but I don't read regularly
17:26:33 [Morbus]
thought so.
17:26:33 [rillian]
did you see my danish-howto post?
17:26:36 [Morbus]
yah :)
17:26:43 [Morbus]
i'm like "hey, i think i know this guy".
17:55:10 [sbp]
* sbp runs a Python script to find his #swhack vocabulary
18:19:25 [Morbus]
eh?
18:21:31 [sbp]
$ python vocab.py sbpswhack.log
18:21:32 [sbp]
17436
18:21:53 [sbp]
not too shabby
18:23:51 [sbp]
* sbp repeats the count for Aaron
18:24:42 [sbp]
this is for the period 2001-07-25 to 2002-02-05
18:25:30 [sbp]
and it's quite strict - it allows for punctuation etc., has a host of disallowed characters, and doesn't even count lines with '"' in them
18:26:24 [sbp]
$ python vocabb.py AaronSw-swhack.log
18:26:24 [sbp]
18812
18:27:48 [sbp]
* sbp repeats for Morbus
18:28:14 [sbp]
not a totally fair count, especially since we've all got a different line-count
18:28:59 [sbp]
$ python vocabb.py Morbus-swhack.log
18:28:59 [sbp]
9379
18:30:49 [sbp]
$ wc AaronSw-swhack.log sbpswhack.log Morbus-swhack.log
18:30:49 [sbp]
30256 263996 2543662 AaronSw-swhack.log
18:30:49 [sbp]
28469 257389 2334929 sbpswhack.log
18:30:49 [sbp]
11848 106297 978226 Morbus-swhack.log
18:30:49 [sbp]
70573 627682 5856817 total
18:31:00 [sbp]
Hmm...
18:32:42 [sbp]
sbp 17436/28469=0.61245[...]
18:32:42 [sbp]
Aaron 18812/30256=0.62176[...]
18:32:42 [sbp]
Morbus 9379/11848=0.79161[...]
18:33:00 [sbp]
vocab/lines
18:33:48 [sbp]
also not a good indicator, since the ratio is not going to be straight - common words will be introduced more often lower down the scale
18:34:19 [sbp]
so someone with a million lines might only introduce 5 more words from their first 100-line vocabulary :-)
18:36:09 [Morbus]
interesting.
18:36:10 [Morbus]
afk
18:36:39 [sbp]
[[[
18:36:41 [sbp]
It is said that a common farm labourer uses 500 words, and educated business man 3,000, the average novelist 5,000 and great scholars and public men 7,000. "Shakespeare" in his poems and plays uses 21,000, the largest vocabulary ever possessed by any member of the human race.
18:36:45 [sbp]
]]] - http://www.sirbacon.org/covocab.htm
18:36:52 [Morbus]
you should send that script to me. i'm interestered in it.
18:36:58 [sbp]
O.K.
18:37:08 [sbp]
I shall clean it up and put it on the Web, probably
18:37:15 [Morbus]
so i have a higher ratio of new words to repeatitives?
18:37:23 [sbp]
if Shakespeare's count is 21000, then we're doing quite well :-)
18:37:33 [sbp]
er... it's difficult to tell
18:37:40 [Morbus]
yeah, but i'm dumb.
18:37:48 [Morbus]
i can't evne break the 10000 mark.
18:37:53 [Morbus]
sheesh. you've shamed me into silence.
18:37:57 [sbp]
since the ratio is a curve, it's hard to tell what constitutes an average curve
18:38:06 [sbp]
you did break the 10000 mark!
18:38:15 [sbp]
oh, no... that's lines
18:38:33 [sbp]
but your line count is only a third of mine and Aaron
18:38:38 [sbp]
s/Aaron/Aaron's/
18:38:57 [sbp]
so in fact, you need to speak more :-)
18:39:04 [Morbus]
heh, heh.
18:39:26 [Morbus]
whelp, ewe sassy monniker. eye shalt speaketh liketh thisth ;)
18:39:58 [Morbus]
afk
18:40:49 [sbp]
"Trivia buffs never guess as I know of...A vocabulary of 7,500 words usually represents an IQ of 120+ doesn't it? Or genius level." - http://pub76.ezboard.com/foddsandends27830frm16.showMessage?topicID=355.topic
18:41:10 [sbp]
yeah, that's a problem with the test. It includes acronyms, misspeclings, and so on
18:41:53 [sbp]
"The average vocabulary consists of 10,000 words." - http://scout18.cs.wisc.edu/new-list/00-03/00-03-22/0025.html
18:42:15 [sbp]
from all indications so far, it appears that we're rated rather high in the vocabulary stakes. That's nice
18:43:58 [sbp]
[[[
18:43:58 [sbp]
>"25,000 Number of words in the vocabulary of the average 14-year-old in
18:43:58 [sbp]
>the U.S. in 1950"
18:43:58 [sbp]
>"10,000 Number of words in the vocabulary of the average 14-year-old in
18:43:58 [sbp]
>the U.S. in 1999"
18:44:06 [sbp]
]]] - http://www.linguistlist.org/~ask-ling/archive-most-recent/msg00939.html
18:44:45 [sbp]
[take that with a pinch of salt]
18:46:03 [sbp]
this is excellent: http://www.quinion.com/words/articles/howmany.htm
18:46:21 [sbp]
it acknowledges that the very question "how big is an average person's vocabulary" is flawed
18:46:58 [sbp]
from that page:-
18:46:59 [sbp]
[[[
18:47:01 [sbp]
We have the plays and sonnets and we just have to count the words in them (according to the American Heritage Dictionary, there are 884,647 of them, made up of 29,066 distinct forms, including proper names). But estimates of Shakespeare's vocabulary vary from about 18,000 to 25,000 in various books, because writers have different views about what constitutes a distinct word.
18:47:01 [sbp]
]]]
18:47:29 [sbp]
Hmm... that quote will have been added to my vocabulary now :-)
18:47:43 [sbp]
although I obviously understand every word in it, and have used them at some time
18:47:56 [sbp]
I don't talk about sonnets very often, though
18:48:34 [sbp]
Hmm...
18:51:26 [sbp]
Morbus 9379/106297=0.0882339[...]
18:51:26 [sbp]
Aaron 18812/263996=0.0712586[...]
18:51:26 [sbp]
sbp 17436/257389=0.0677418[...]
18:51:26 [sbp]
Shakespeare 21500/884647=0.0243034[...]
18:51:33 [sbp]
vocab/words
18:53:39 [sbp]
of course, I should base word count on the vocab score, really
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hello all
19:13:36 [sbp]
Hi there
19:23:45 [rillian]
@ http://www.physics.sunysb.edu/~siegel/parodies/stuperspace.pdf
19:23:51 [chumpster]
A: http://www.physics.sunysb.edu/~siegel/parodies/stuperspace.pdf from rillian
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A:|Stuperspace
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titled item A
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A::*We prove, once and for all, that people who don't use superspace are really out of it.*
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commented item A
19:25:27 [rillian]
A::*Also, they can't hide from gravity forever*
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commented item A
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A::This was actually published in a referreed physics journal
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commented item A
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20:00:58 [AaronSw]
lol, A:: is really funny
20:01:14 [AaronSw]
I love the old mcdonald relation.
20:38:46 [rillian]
heheh :)
20:47:07 [AaronSw]
Woohoo! Got my copy of IEEE Intelligent Systems with my article in it.
20:47:53 [sbp]
congratulations
20:51:27 [AaronSw]
What's the entity for ö called in HTML?
20:51:39 [deltab]
&ouml;
20:52:11 [AaronSw]
thanks. gotta add my publications to my website and wanted to include my Erdös number. ;-)
20:52:19 [deltab]
ah, hehe
20:53:39 [jeremiah]
hmm
20:53:48 [sbp]
you must be thrashing me in the Erdös number scheme now
20:53:52 [jeremiah]
* jeremiah still formatting really old journal entries to be taken in by movable type
20:53:57 [jeremiah]
I found the one about deltab and prime numbers
20:54:06 [sbp]
I don't even know what mine is... perhaps Libby will know hers
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?
20:54:49 [jeremiah]
deltab: from a long time ago, I'll show you when i stick them all into movabletype
20:56:03 [AaronSw]
@ http://www.cs.umd.edu/users/hendler/2002/musicbrainz.pdf
20:56:06 [chumpster]
B: http://www.cs.umd.edu/users/hendler/2002/musicbrainz.pdf from AaronSw
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B:|MusicBrainz: A Semantic Web Service
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titled item B
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B::My first publication.
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commented item B
21:10:02 [sbp]
[[[
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uprop - e.g. colon separated, although that requires parsing
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asserting that something has a hash:-
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the semantics of the document may change - it is in fact the
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semantics of the representation
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for example, a doc may have <> :lastModified "2002-02-10" in it
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policies: I want to say that any document conforming to my
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policy (what's a policy?) will always give a label and either of a
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RDFS comment or both a n:definition and n:note property/object pair
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]]]
21:10:43 [sbp]
just SW hacking... :-)
21:10:48 [deltab]
'uprop'?
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provisional name for an unambiguous property
21:11:38 [deltab]
hmm, I first saw it as 'up rop'
21:12:31 [sbp]
for example: { ?x :uprop [ is string:concat of (?y ":" ?z) ]; ?p ?q } log:implies { [ log:uri [ is string:concat of ("http://example.org/" ?y "/blargh#" ?z) ]; ?p ?q ] } .
21:12:43 [sbp]
although CWM can't resolve concat in that way
21:14:03 [sbp]
UnambiguousProeprty allows you to kinda make your own URI schemes - that don't even follow the URI BNF
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i.e. it allows you to make your own identifiers, but by using a URI for the property arc (and hence typing the object implicitly)
21:16:11 [sbp]
following the hash-hacking...
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I want to be able to give the hash of a document in a different file
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.time
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2002/02/11 21:18:22.7596 Universal
21:17:10 [sbp]
so I might have a document a.n3: { :Sean :name "Sean" . <> :lastModified "2002-02-11 21:18" }
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and then in another document: { { <a.n3> log:semantics [ log:includes { <> :lastModified "2002-02-11 21:18" } ]; log:string [ crypto:sha "ihw580h0w8gh0wrh0sg80srg90" ] } log:implies { <a.n3> a :TrustedDocument} }
21:18:55 [sbp]
er... it's probably not log:string that I'm after
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log:content - http://www.w3.org/2000/10/swap/log
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21:28:27 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw experiences swap-o-ram-a
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My augmented vocab counting script is quite slow
22:21:51 [Morbus]
you never did send that to me.
22:29:22 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw fixes http://www.aaronsw.com/school/
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and runs to driver's ed. c'ya
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nytol
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* sbp has sent the vocab counting script to Morbus
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"The Puritan hated bear-baiting, not because it gave pain to the bear, but because it gave pleasure to the spectators." --Thomas Macaulay, _History of England_
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* rillian has missed fortune
23:19:36 [sbp]
.google "Thomas Macaulay" "History of England"
23:19:37 [xena]
"Thomas Macaulay" "History of England": http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/PRmacaulay.htm
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* sbp gets the first volume from ftp://ibiblio.org/pub/docs/books/gutenberg/etext98/1hoej10.zip
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now there's a project
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gutenberg *really* needs a nice front end
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[[[
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At length the darkness begins to break; and the country which had
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been lost to view as Britain reappears as England.
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]]]
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- Thomas Macaulay, History of England, vol 1
23:34:25 [sbp]
he talks up the Normans quite a bit...
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"""The polite luxury of the Norman presented a striking contrast to the coarse voracity and drunkenness of his Saxon and Danish neighbours."""
23:36:30 [sbp]
Hmm... then when they invade England, he refers to them as tyrants :-)
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wb Morbus
23:41:19 [Morbus]
thankee.
23:41:37 [Morbus]
did anyone see what OPN server i came in on?
23:41:39 [Morbus]
stampede.org?
23:42:06 [sbp]
nope
23:42:29 [rillian]
maybe dancer doesn't send those any more?
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or whatever the ircd is called these days
23:44:54 [sbp]
* sbp wonders who Milton and Burke are
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oh, I guess it's the obvious
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[John Milton and Edmund Burke]
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heh: """In the time of Richard the First, the ordinary imprecation of a Norman gentleman was "May I become an Englishman!""""
23:49:09 [sbp]
I'll bet there was a similar situation in revolutionary America :-)