02:21:08 * sbp does a little pen-sketch 02:51:08 * sbp is pretty much done on that 02:55:21 I probably should have done it bigger, but oh well 02:56:59 ooh, the topic's out of date: we need another new word 02:58:01 churnkle, flepskate, drechuerst, premptserver, huike, mernikle, frabber, vuitey, minkle 02:58:06 vote now! 02:58:17 [drum roll] 02:58:44 lots of "kle" suffixes. I wonder why? 02:58:51 .google "-kle suffix" 02:58:52 no results found. 02:59:00 .google "kle suffix" 02:59:01 no results found. 02:59:06 .google kle suffix 02:59:07 kle suffix: http://www.orbilat.com/Romance_Onomastics/Personal/Romance/Rom-C.html 02:59:37 pff, smeg it 03:48:14 Ugh: I 03:48:23 I'm still listed as a HumanMarkup TC member! 03:48:44 I quit last October, as I recall 03:51:12 heh! I'm listed (alphabetically) below Steven R. Newcomb and above Bruce Perens as famous contributors in http://www.openphd.net/W3C_Patent_Policy/Famous_Contributions 03:51:53 quite a few results for my JavaScript book, too 03:51:59 * sbp is doing a vanity search on Google 03:57:06 ooh, Daniel and I are cited in http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:8u0OnnYgDcYC:dret.net/biblio/dretbiblio.pdf+%22Sean+B.+Palmer%22&hl=en 03:57:17 for XAG 04:24:51 That was a great book. 04:25:16 (Ender's Shadow) 04:25:58 * sbp waves 04:26:24 Ho, sbp. 04:26:57 Hola, Aaron 04:27:14 .google "Ender's Shadow" 04:27:16 "Ender's Shadow": http://www.sfsite.com/09b/end65.htm 04:28:39 hello 04:29:11 Hi J 04:29:16 hey 04:29:22 went driving all over town again tonight 04:29:24 fun stuff 04:29:26 Ho, J. 04:33:09 Man, I really destroyed my eyes reading today. 04:33:23 I gotta think about something to do about that. 04:34:39 what did your ead? 04:34:41 read* 04:34:51 Ender's Shadow 04:35:17 hmm 04:36:18 whoah shit, local guy caught with 206 pounds of marijuanna 04:38:38 .spell parallax 04:38:40 potential spellings for parallax are: parallax, parallaxes, parallels, paralyse, perillas, paroled, Perelman, parallel, paralyze, prerelease 04:48:23 * AaronSw blogs the book 04:48:44 hmm 04:48:47 I had a very hard time finding an ending to the review. 04:49:41 did you read the whole book? 04:49:49 that is: all in one day? 04:49:55 Yes. 04:50:00 how long is it? 04:50:16 Last Saturday I read the Fountainhead (tho i read a little Friday night with that). 04:50:57 Ender's Shadow is 379 pages in hardcover. 04:53:16 knuth is hard to read 04:55:25 need any work done on the plex? 04:55:33 yeah, build it for us 04:55:35 haha 04:56:47 Hmm, I'm getting a lot of German email about my schooling subversion site. 04:56:59 Which is especially odd considering the site is down now. 04:57:03 neat. So it's actually written in German? 04:57:08 * jeremiah drives a Mercedes and is part German 04:57:10 :) 04:57:14 err, no. it's just from germany 04:57:18 * jeremiah needs excuses to brag about his mercedes 04:57:21 blimey, you're pert everyithng, aren't you? 04:57:41 well my one grandfather, who I'm close to, is basically pure ethnic german 04:57:51 there go my jokes about the Irish feller living in Germany 04:57:54 everyone else (the other 3 grandparents) are prettymuch pure irish 04:58:05 well, german grandpa hate's irish people, oddly 04:58:08 if I have my stories straight 04:58:13 heh, cool 04:58:42 so I've relized I'm very unproductive these days 04:58:45 as far as coding goes 04:58:54 me too 04:59:01 Wha?! 04:59:04 oh hang on, I just wrote an inference engine. Pff 04:59:16 You just coded an inference engine and a query engine in two days. That's unproductive? 04:59:25 * AaronSw wishes he had sbp's productivity 04:59:25 yeah. So much for "look at me, I 04:59:38 ... I'm a lazy slob" 04:59:46 I just need people to say 'do this shit goddamit' and then I'll be productive 04:59:52 that's funny: I wish I had your productivity 04:59:57 and Jeremiah too 05:00:04 haha 05:00:05 perhaps we're all really quite lazy 05:00:10 yeah 05:00:16 I maintain the illusion of being a workaholic 05:00:26 and a rich person, all my friends think I'm rolling in cash from some job I did months ago 05:00:38 1/2 my friends think I still program "for that costa rican company" 05:01:18 so I need to read all the knuth books, I suppose 05:01:26 or learn to be really f-in good at opengl 05:01:27 Why? 05:01:33 they seem like important books to read 05:02:02 Hmm: 05:02:02 -- 05:02:03 GabeW (~Gabe@12-236-237-100.client.attbi.com) has joined #swhack 05:02:03 I need to get opengl working again 05:02:03 In "Second Generation Web Services" Paul focuses on the underlying 05:02:03 "web" parts of web services, and presents a vision for the future 05:02:04 of web services that is based on HTTP, XML and URIs. Read more at 05:02:04 . 05:02:05 -- 05:03:07 Sort of ironic how the base of the HTML Web is being called *second* generation. 05:03:10 calling mIRC: ">" is not part of a fucking URI-ref 05:03:39 I really hate the html web 05:03:56 convert it all to text with lynx 05:04:05 that's not what I ment 05:04:16 :-) 05:04:23 hey all 05:04:28 what I mean is... I don't like the idea of people providing their own interfaces in the same way the show off the information 05:04:35 but I also like customizable interfaces 05:05:16 we need a browser addition for mozilla so it can render docbook, opml, and rss 05:05:18 in nice, readable formats 05:06:01 they're working on RSS now 05:06:09 cool 05:06:59 I need more ram 05:07:19 or I need to fix this thing so it stops killing programs that take up too much ram (actually add a swap partition) 05:07:20 I need more sheep 05:07:29 let's go to a farmer's market 05:07:46 it's like this: c and posix and all of that are great systems 05:07:55 * sbp suddenly remembers that all this stuff is logged - argh! 05:07:58 and they were great in the 70's or whenever they were created 05:08:09 but the problem is everyone still uses that one system 05:08:17 Python: C for the 90's (and the 00ies) 05:08:18 for so much of thier programming 05:08:24 it's the same thing with the web 05:08:32 everyone just uses the least common denominator 05:08:42 C is only really used because of its pervasiveness for creating binaries, its speed, and the fact that all the old decent code was in C 05:08:45 because everyone is either too lazy to upgrade, or too lazy to write something twice 05:08:57 indeed 05:08:59 and becuse c++ sucks 05:10:21 Aaron: BTW, the inference engine only took 30 minutes and 20 seconds to write 05:10:33 which I found rather... amusing 05:10:39 you time your code work? 05:10:41 Rubbing it in 05:10:42 I should do that 05:10:59 so what we really need is one company or group to be a monopoly 05:11:07 but a company/group that knows what's going on 05:11:13 and doesn't try to profit off of everything 05:11:32 that'll never happen... but it would be interesting if it did 05:11:57 I just figured that I finished it rather quickly, and so I got the "created" date from the file, and the "it works!" statement from the #swhack logs, and deducted the one time from t'other 05:12:05 I do things like that :-) 05:12:12 oh 05:12:37 so any idea if I'll be able to get cvs access for this code... anytime? it's really a pain and makes me not wanna code when I think of how outdated everything is 05:17:18 * jeremiah has fun trying to make a swap partition 05:18:39 hmm, jer, why do you want to get cvs access? so that you can do updates or commits? 05:18:57 so I can keep a decent copy of the most recent code 05:19:02 I wouldn't even mind anonymous access 05:19:10 gotta reboot, back in a bit 05:19:11 * sbp would like that too 05:19:18 * AaronSw pokes deltab 05:19:32 jeremiah has quit ("Client Exiting") 05:20:56 logster, grep 0-0 [[[ 05:24:25 I'm logging. Sorry, nothing found for '[[[' 05:24:27 jeremiah (~jeremiah@ip68-10-5-132.hr.hr.cox.net) has joined #swhack 05:24:27 ok, now I have a gig of swap 05:24:27 here's to no more spontanous crashes 05:24:57 sbp has changed the topic to: A new word every day. Don't splungigate now. 05:25:12 oh, Aaron, I had a question for you yesterday 05:25:26 it's in the logs somewhere. You'll just have to read the whole damn lot 05:25:45 hah 05:25:53 or grep yesterday's logs for -i sbp.*Aaron 05:26:01 but that'd be cheating 05:26:02 i always read the swhack logs 05:26:12 especially the parts with my name in them 05:26:40 cool 05:27:13 * AaronSw disappears to read logs 05:30:35 GabeW has quit ("Client Exiting") 05:32:43 I saw a sticker today with Homer on it and it said: "D'oh! ... Nuts! ... Mmm, donuts..." 05:33:18 :-) 05:34:43 * jeremiah downloaded movabletype 05:34:56 now I have to request ssh access for the server before I can get it running 05:37:44 Homer: Mmm... forbidden donut 05:39:00 "you're just attaching properties to a group of data items that you want to find again in the future, to perhaps make it more memorable, or whatever [...] because in reality, that's how we work" 05:39:00 Wow! You won't believe how hard a time I had explaining this to people. They kept saying: but nobody thinks like that -- folders are so natural. Urgh. 05:39:29 heh! 05:39:53 I'd be all like, "yeah right dude, what*ever*" 05:40:07 do either of you know what "type3" fonts are? 05:40:17 trying my damdest to get them installed, and it isn't working 05:40:21 damndest* 05:40:28 gah, whatever, my spelling sucks 05:40:40 they don't seem to be in the packages list for debian 05:40:49 .google type3 fonts 05:40:50 type3 fonts: http://www.mail-archive.com/tetex-pretest%40informatik.uni-hannover.de/msg00225.html&e=922 05:40:57 so I guess it might save data into files, as it'll be faster to access. I'm not sure - I should ask Aaron when he comes back 05:40:58 (and I did have my speakers on, BTW. I was like WTF is going on...hmm, but this book is so good...but i really should listen...i'll read it tomorrow) 05:41:20 Hmm, Type3... sounds familiar. Macs support them, I think. ;-) 05:41:29 heh, cool! I thought that you wouldn't have had them on... 05:41:32 these are pdfs of the gnu newspaper 05:41:36 magazine, that is 05:42:27 .google notation3 programming language dquan 05:42:28 notation3 programming language dquan: http://www.ai.mit.edu/people/dquan/n3script.html 05:42:37 yep, that's it. 05:42:45 yeah, I found it a bit further on in the logs 05:42:54 They were on but my Mom got so annoyed she asked me how to turn them off. 05:43:15 really? Me an my innane nattering 05:43:20 s/an/and/ 05:43:26 kghostview is a beautiful program 05:43:43 you should have turned them down a bit :-) 05:43:47 "only people with the correct digital signature can delete the corresponding files". no, only the people who own the hard drives can delete the files 05:44:30 ah, of course - no deletions 05:44:49 * jeremiah is away: reading 05:47:20 As Dan said, the amount of email you get it is closely related to the amount that you send out 05:47:20 I've noticed that with IRC too. 05:47:26 :-) 05:47:40 * sbp doesn't actually believe that anyone will register an "RDF-Type" header, but I just had to suggest it... 05:50:53 no repsonse from www-tag yet 05:52:55 Gotta run 05:53:01 lol at the new http://rdfweb.org/ 05:53:08 @ http://rdfweb.org/ 05:53:24 A: http://rdfweb.org/ from AaronSw 05:54:10 I realized today that the sw in swhack is for semantic web, not for swartz 05:54:16 I think it was on one of the websites 05:54:27 Heh. 05:54:41 It's not. It's the sound that's made when you hit someone with a clue-by-four. 05:54:53 [swings] *swhack!* 05:55:03 A:|RDFWeb: semantic web vapourware for the masses 05:55:04 titled item A 05:55:12 oh 05:55:39 A::New redesign contains 20% more tongue-in-cheek humor! 05:55:42 commented item A 05:56:06 I think the original idea was Semantic Web Hack, but we wanted to discuss other things too. 05:57:16 oh 06:00:19 OK, this is sad: 06:00:24 .google working has enhanced my life 06:00:25 working has enhanced my life: http://www.aaronsw.com 06:00:30 haha 06:00:50 I feel like a failure. 06:01:08 the hits to my website has slowed to a trickle 06:01:11 and i couldn't care less 06:01:53 guh, the gnu magazines seems to be just filled with editorials and columns 06:01:57 no real meat 06:03:12 time to go read some knuth, talk to you later 06:04:44 c'ya 06:04:49 i didn't find the gnu mag interesting, either 06:05:16 yeah 06:05:18 oh well 06:05:32 I wish I had pdfs of knuth's stuff, I guess I'll have to tote that book around with me 06:05:44 although it is one of the most pleasant books I've read aesthetically 06:05:55 for being all text as it is 06:06:04 * jeremiah is back (gone 00:21:16) 06:06:09 * jeremiah is away: really going now, goodnight all 06:08:22 Cool, I hear Knuth is a great artist. 06:13:48 GabeW (~Gabe@12-236-237-100.client.attbi.com) has joined #swhack 06:18:21 tansaku (~sam@n144-001.tokyu-net.catv.ne.jp) has joined #swhack 06:36:36 GabeW has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 06:55:09 GabeW (~Gabe@12-236-237-100.client.attbi.com) has joined #swhack 07:03:35 nite all 07:05:01 GabeW has quit ("Client Exiting") 07:19:36 tansaku has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10:27:21 tansaku (~sam@n144-001.tokyu-net.catv.ne.jp) has joined #swhack 11:38:37 tansaku has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12:53:09 BenSw has quit ("Client Exiting") 13:06:43 tansaku (~sam@n144-001.tokyu-net.catv.ne.jp) has joined #swhack 14:57:11 tansaku has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15:17:45 tansaku (~sam@h132-211.tokyu-net.catv.ne.jp) has joined #swhack 15:43:55 I'm not sure whether I should be for or against the latest ODP proposal to merge boot camps and boarding schools under Mental_Health/Counseling_Services 15:44:37 seriously? 15:44:50 Yeah. 15:45:19 weird 15:45:53 Hmm, it's only "Therapeutic" Boot Camps (Outdoors/Survival and Primitive Technology/Youth Rehabilitation) and boarding schools 15:46:26 oh, right 15:50:21 tansaku2 (~sam@h132-211.tokyu-net.catv.ne.jp) has joined #swhack 15:51:05 tansaku has quit (Killed (NickServ (Ghost: tansaku2!~sam@h132-211.tokyu-net.catv.ne.jp))) 15:51:15 tansaku2 is now known as tansaku 16:42:24 tansaku has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16:51:50 lkjkldsjdqs (~AZE23RTY@ALimoges-101-1-2-174.abo.wanadoo.fr) has joined #swhack 16:51:55 hey akk ! 16:52:01 lkjkldsjdqs has left #swhack 16:53:48 Lion7 (~AZE23RTY@ALimoges-101-1-2-174.abo.wanadoo.fr) has joined #swhack 16:53:52 hey all 16:58:45 Hey, Wes is a McCusker character: http://www.treedragon.com/ged/map/ti/newAug01.htm#28aug01-machine 16:59:07 Very funny. 17:07:26 Randy Kent: "I go to school with a kid that looks just like you." 17:22:19 how old are you all? 17:25:47 Why does it matrer? 17:25:50 err matter 17:30:24 Hmm... although we can probably guess your age. I don't know why, but I have noticed that only younger people tend to burst into a channel and ask how old everyone is :-) 17:31:32 Perhaps because older people tend to be more reserved about their ages, wheras often (although there are... er... exceptions to the rule), when younger people do somthing that trances adults in any dept., flaunting their age at the same time often makes sense 17:31:56 sbp do you code? 17:32:02 s/trance/trounce/ 17:32:04 I do indeed 17:32:19 mainly Python 17:32:20 which language? 17:33:05 no reply 17:33:08 hehe 17:33:13 ? 17:33:34 mainly Python => lol 17:33:43 in which language do you code? 17:33:48 @ http://66.39.69.208/yclipse/fallows.htm 17:33:49 Mosselmaniac (sander@213.75.242.51) has joined #swhack 17:33:53 B: Superior Information Services - Fallows' Agenda article from AaronSw 17:33:53 hi all 17:33:57 Mossel! 17:33:58 * sbp tries to make sense of this all 17:34:01 hi lion :D 17:34:05 hehe 17:34:09 B:|James Fallows on Lotus Agenda 17:34:10 titled item B 17:34:15 B::The first RDF database? 17:34:17 commented item B 17:34:18 * sbp looks around - is this *#swhack*? 17:34:21 Mossel i resolved my prob 17:34:32 sbp, I thought so... should i kick these kiddies out? 17:34:38 okok lion, check private 17:34:39 heh, heh 17:35:02 sbp in which language do you code? 17:35:05 vb ;-) 17:35:11 qb :-D 17:35:20 are there any good exploits? 17:35:21 here 17:35:22 B::via [Mark|http://markBernstein.org/Feb0201.html#note_5193] 17:35:23 commented item B 17:35:30 asm O_O 17:35:33 oh my, I laugh with exispeciferous gless 17:35:35 you guys, this is not a channel about cracking. 17:35:39 gless? Pff 17:35:51 you need better glasses, sbp :) 17:36:03 cracking: yah, go read the hackers dictionary 17:36:25 Mosselmaniac has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 17:36:25 .google how to be a hacker 17:36:25 how to be a hacker: http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html 17:36:28 .google Jargon Hacking 17:36:28 Jargon Hacking: http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/jargon/html/entry/hack.html 17:36:34 :-) 17:36:34 mmm 17:36:47 bye all , nothing interested here, only lamerz or sk 17:36:48 hehe 17:36:50 bye all 17:36:54 (exect mossel) 17:36:57 exept=) 17:37:00 Lion7 has left #swhack 17:37:10 ah, we're either lamerz or sk. 17:37:25 indubidably 17:37:43 and we're not interesed either, apparently 17:37:55 oh fuck, what is it with my typing today? 17:38:15 .acronym sk 17:38:16 sk: Saskatchewan, Sacramento Kings, Saeder-Krupp Corporation, Service Knowledge, Shadow Knight (Everquest), Sick, Slovak Republic, Slovakia, Snap Kick, Snooker, Soup Kitchen, South Karana (Everquest), South Kitsap, South Korea, Spreading sequence of user number k, Stop Keying (TTY communication), Storekeeper (USN Rating), Streptokinase, Super-Kamiokande (Cerenkov detector in the Kamioka Mozumi 17:38:16 mine in Japan) 17:38:43 cool! we're spreading sequences of user number k! 17:38:48 ooh, Stop Keying is useful 17:39:04 you there! Stop Keying! 17:39:24 Heh! 17:40:03 sbp has changed the topic to: Swhack: Where the lamers and sk do roam 17:40:12 s/lamers/lamerz/ please 17:40:14 oops 17:40:19 sbp has changed the topic to: Swhack: Where the lamerz and sk do roam 17:40:23 I do apologize 17:40:27 "When you say SKSK at the end of a conversation, it lets the operator know that you are ready to end the call and hang up" 17:40:33 It's a TTY thing, apparently. 17:41:07 it fungigating 17:41:42 oh... there's already an adj. for that: baffling 17:42:25 and as for the lack of possesive apostrophe-s... well, what can I say? I suck ass at typing today. For some reason, I push the keys, but nothing happens. Aha! PErhaps I need a new keyboard 17:42:40 er... not possesive, at all 17:42:51 ' == " i" 17:43:09 Pff. Perhaps I should just go :-) 17:44:24 Heh: http://www.starbuckscocacolagap.com/ 19:03:43 Homer: Mmm... pie pants 19:14:22 The "Eric situation" on www-html is getting quite sad 19:18:34 This could be Simon's big chance to start up www-html-noeric 19:30:05 Heh, I still laugh at this: "Ty Coon, President of Vice" 19:30:14 in http://www.fsf.org/copyleft/lesser.html 19:47:37 * AaronSw thumbs thru the monster-sized "Programming Python" Second Edition 19:47:46 Ben picked it up at the bookstore yesterday 20:02:22 deus_x (~deusx@bgp995433bgs.nanarb01.mi.comcast.net) has joined #swhack 20:17:05 * sbp finds a nice new arpeggio 20:34:24 .google Xbl69fAIptGJ2ENpm3IiZh608n8 20:34:25 no results found. 20:41:33 Aaron, would it be possible to partition logster so that it greps by year? 20:41:33 Ask dajobe (for the 3040404 time) 20:41:33 I suppose we could have like 4 logsters running if you wanted to do that. 20:41:33 that might be a bit extreme 20:42:22 or you could just ask me 20:42:27 to grep by hand 20:43:23 that would be a bit of an inconvenience, surely? 20:43:53 indeed 20:44:00 but less painful than coding perl ;) 20:44:17 heh. certainly 20:51:16 Gotta run 22:00:36 "Hello World [in .NET] consits of 1821 CIL instructions, performs 66 subroutine calls and loads 12 classes from the corlib.dll" 22:03:46 the bottom is missing from your Weblog in IE6 22:03:48 it cuts off after "license for more than a year" 22:04:09 odd. any ideas why? 22:04:31 Try hitting F12 twice... 22:04:47 err, F11. 22:07:25 neat: http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_517651.html?menu=news.quirkies 22:07:43 ah, that worked 22:08:17 do you know what causes that? 22:09:11 see http://www.alistapart.com/bugs.html 22:09:15 it's some sort of timing bug 22:10:31 thanks 22:10:38 heh, that is neat. not much of a reward tho. ;-) 22:11:24 the choice of "free flights" was a bit odd - I would have thought they'd be too scared to fly 22:11:42 indeed 22:16:16 you mention the words "world" and "gaia" three times in your 80-characters; what's up with that? [http://blogspace.com/swhack/weblog/2002/01/21/#i1011592243.687786] 22:16:29 s/mention/use/ 22:16:53