00:41:13 pff. my finder just crashed.\ 00:48:43 tansaku has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00:49:57 anyone around? 00:52:38 I am 01:21:03 morb, cool 01:21:17 hey AaronSw. hear you like MT. cool. 01:21:18 Where'd you hear that? 01:21:41 uh, your blog. 01:22:14 oh. i should tell it to keep quiet. 01:22:36 uh huh. 01:22:41 people will think you like perl. 01:22:48 yeah... ick 01:22:54 ick indeed. 01:23:24 heh, heh 01:34:29 * Morbus drafts long email to Derrick 01:35:03 How Debian developers can make Debian better: 01:35:03 'Run "apt-get remove mutt" (or the equivalent), and 01:35:04 spend a few hours actually trying to understand some of the bugs that 01:35:04 are in the RC bug list, and *FIX* them. Don't downgrade them. Don't whine 01:35:04 about them. Don't propose dropping the architecture they apply to. Don't 01:35:04 wonder if that sort of behaviour should even be supported. Don't complain 01:35:06 about how they obviously require someone smarter. Don't worry about how 01:35:08 this might, hypothetically, not be possible for some things, or harder 01:35:10 than it might need to be. Don't mutter about how you don't care about 01:35:12 such-n-such a package. JUST *FIX* THEM.' 01:35:20 heh 01:41:39 * jeremiah should remove irc, web browsers and aim 01:41:43 and email 01:41:48 then my productivity will shoot through the roof 01:41:49 Indeed. 01:41:59 That seems to be what tav has done, for the most part 01:42:20 I was reading that google competition 01:42:26 thinking how cool it would be to use plex for it 01:42:38 not sure how, just that it'd be cool 01:42:52 was also thinking of writing an english webpage->triples converter 01:43:15 Hmm, interesting! 01:43:52 how would that work? 01:44:05 * AaronSw just noticed you can do http://packages.debian.org/packagename - heh. 01:44:18 presumably similarly to how google does it's pagerank stuff 01:44:20 I mean, you're not going to be doing NLP, surely... 01:44:30 Neuro-Linguistic Programming? 01:44:33 I mean, RDF is based on language 01:44:33 ;-) 01:45:12 RDF is based on binary relations 01:45:27 language is not based on binary relations 01:45:28 well, triples 01:45:36 subject predicate object 01:45:41 those are all language things 01:45:42 I don't follow your logic. triples are 2-ary relationships! 01:45:49 no, I don't think so 01:46:07 ok, let's take a sentence, lemme pluck one off some random website... 01:46:35 of course we need a sentence with links in it... (working working) 01:46:40 sbp, they can be represented as either. just as they can be represented as graphs 01:46:41 it is possible to parse English sentences into RDF, I do not doubt that. I doubt that you can do it automatically without quite a bit of NLP experience 01:47:02 seth claimed to be able to do it, but his stuff was junk 01:47:06 sbp: do you mean neuro linguistic programming when you say nlp? 01:47:17 i think he means Natural Language Processing 01:47:21 ok 01:47:34 well in that case, yes, it probably would require nlp 01:47:41 but I think it would be simpler than we think 01:47:58 I think you should try it, and find out just how laughably difficult it is 01:48:07 Heh... yeah 01:48:20 I realize it's difficult 01:48:22 Eric got something like that working tho. 01:48:30 He drew out keywords from mail. 01:48:34 but I also realize google has something very similar to it already working 01:48:35 the alternative is to just convert words per sentence into an index 01:48:45 google just follows links -- that's easy and mechanical 01:48:48 yeah, I presume that's more of a screen scraping trick 01:49:39 first separate the key sentences (probably the ones with links) into nouns adjectives and verbs 01:50:00 how do you know whether a word is being used as a noun adjective or verb? 01:50:14 most words don't fit into both categories 01:50:24 e.g. while 01:50:30 yes, and 'fuck' 01:50:38 indeed 01:50:52 verb and noun? 01:51:04 and adverb 01:51:07 "it was fucking hillarious" 01:51:10 err, wait 01:51:19 it's used as an adverb somewhere 01:51:27 * jeremiah reminds himself to brush up on english before attempting any nlp 01:51:29 that's verb and adverb 01:51:35 words like that are used for everything 01:51:54 hmm 01:52:11 well does anyone else have good ideas for what to do with all this google stuff? 01:52:32 search for palindromes 01:52:49 hmm 01:52:59 neat but I don't know how useful 01:53:11 of course :-) 01:53:22 unless you're in a palindrome competition 01:53:27 I mean, I could see what I want (the triples thing) as something google would actually offer, but when I try to think of other services they might want I draw a blank 01:53:28 heh 01:53:32 A useful google feature would be to sort by last-modified headers, but they don't include those in the data. 01:53:57 or a plagorism searcher 01:54:07 piracy! 01:54:09 I don't know how far off that would be from what they already have 01:54:11 * sbp ducks 01:54:27 AaronSw: they're in the stored data, just not displayed 01:54:45 Hm? They weren't in the files I downloaded. 01:55:17 * sbp was going to download the tar.gz, noticed the size, and went to do something els 01:55:24 haha 01:55:46 so do I unbzip those files in the "data" dir 01:55:48 hmm, not too long ago a query I did went wrong and one result started X-Google-Date or something like that 01:55:51 or does the code they gave me handle all of that 01:56:18 oh wait, I haven't even downloaded the 640M data files... 01:56:31 .google X-Google-Date 01:56:32 no results found. 01:56:33 all 5 of them 01:56:34 jesus 01:56:38 wha? "#113718: freenet; newer versions available" that's a release critical bug? 01:56:50 it is if you use freenet... 01:56:56 * jeremiah ducks 01:57:08 AaronSw: what branch of debian is that from? 01:57:43 i dunno, i can't find it on these BTS pages 01:57:57 * jeremiah downloads a 640meg datafile at 300K :) 01:58:05 cox is gonna hate me 01:58:23 wmf (wesf@cs242733-11.austin.rr.com) has joined #swhack 01:58:30 hello wesley 01:58:35 somebody put them on a disc and FedEx them to me would... oh 01:58:35 hi 01:58:39 wesley, good day 01:58:51 sbp: ya realize theo ffer that, right? 01:59:13 jeremiah, appears to be testing 01:59:14 yeah 01:59:21 AaronSw: ok 01:59:41 I should write a porn-finder 01:59:44 that'd be so funny 01:59:46 porn-get 01:59:49 it's been written 01:59:51 no, but with a google backend 01:59:55 ah, it was X-Google-Crawl-Date 02:00:12 jeremiah, images.google.com - it's been written. ;-) 02:00:28 yeah, yeah 02:00:33 ah, thanks deltab 02:00:50 i guess that's what they're showing now with the dates 02:00:56 .porn-get 02:01:15 hmm, tav hasn't hooked that up to xena yet 02:01:25 heh 02:01:28 plexporn 02:01:34 google-plex :) 02:03:17 well there's still a while until the contest ends, a long while 02:03:22 so I suppose I'll brainstorm for a few days 02:04:49 hmm, hook it up to the API (if there is one) for viavoice or that oss speach recognizer, and have it sift through mp3s and recordings of streams, then you can search the streams with text 02:04:53 Heh, search engine tips: "Make your site P3P compatible for a link from a site with a Google Page Rank of 9 at: http://www.w3.org/P3P/compliant_sites" 02:05:23 where is that from? 02:05:23 how do you find out your pagerank? 02:05:30 - http://www.searchengineworld.com/newsletter/2001/blurbs.htm 02:05:39 (for wmf) 02:05:40 jeremiah, usually the Google Toolbar 02:05:51 in windows? 02:05:57 yeah 02:05:58 hmm, I wonder what mine is 02:07:09 i like the part about the target machiens having "2-4gb of ram" 02:07:38 RAM is cheap 02:07:47 yeah they interviewd the ceo 02:07:54 he said they use ram instead of harddrives now 02:07:59 AaronSw: they used to show dates for all results 02:08:15 but i believe those are last-crawled dates, not last-modified 02:08:21 yes 02:08:35 wmf, your pagerank looks like 8 02:08:44 camworld and joel are also 8 02:08:50 slashdot and scripting news are 9 02:08:52 what's mine? 02:09:15 and I remember when they displayed the pagerank of each result 02:09:21 yeah, me too 02:09:22 and mine? 02:09:34 i dunno, since you guys aren't in dmoz 02:09:38 oh 02:09:46 but my page is linked from the P3P site! :-) 02:09:51 really? 02:09:56 yeah: right next to IBM, which is quite fun 02:14:14 ooh! torvalds is using bittkeeper 02:14:22 yep 02:14:44 .google bittkeeper 02:14:45 no results found. 02:14:51 .google bitkeeper 02:14:52 bitkeeper: http://www.bitkeeper.com 02:15:04 .google linus bitkeeper 02:15:04 [via wmf] 02:15:05 linus bitkeeper: http://lwn.net/1999/features/BitKeeper.php3 02:15:18 .news hack the planet 1 02:15:19 Linus Torvalds trying out BitKeeper - I'm glad to seeLinus Torvalds trying out BitKeeper. - http://www.uwsg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0202.0/0989.html 02:16:25 ok so what if we programmed a neural net ish thing to look at images from amihotornot.com and compare them to their rankings 02:16:41 and maybe it'd eventually learn to tell if people are attractive or not... 02:16:56 jeremiah needs an AI smacking 02:17:26 * sbp throws a robotic dog at J 02:17:49 .ishehot spb.jpg 02:17:53 no! 02:18:06 heh: "THIS WEBLOG HAS MOVED" 02:18:23 * sbp wonders who this spb guy is that everyone is talking about 02:18:28 .google spb 02:18:29 spb: http://www.spb.ca.gov 02:19:17 Ooh, they gave linunx their own website: http://linux.bkbits.net/ 02:20:01 I think bkbits is moving to be a sort of sourceforge clone 02:20:37 since sourceforge.net refuses to enable bitkeeper support 02:20:48 Interesting. 02:20:57 And what of subversion? 02:21:06 not finished 02:21:56 google has some killer bandwith 02:22:06 I wonder how many people are pulling this file off their servers right now 02:22:46 you gotta have good bandwidth if you're going to crawl the whole web monthly and still server zillions of users. 02:22:52 yeah 02:23:38 Hmm, this metapad would fit in my pocket... 02:23:59 course i'd need several other pockets for the batteries. 02:24:06 what makes it different from a grossly overpowered pda? 02:24:16 it doesn't have a screen 02:24:19 oh 02:24:46 and it runs a real os 02:24:51 I'm not really sure of the point of the metapad 02:25:04 well an ipaq with a 1gig harddrive would run a real os too 02:25:10 one of the microdrives 02:25:14 10gb hard drive 02:25:18 in the metapad 02:25:23 hmmm 02:25:52 I just wan ta nice tablet pc 02:25:58 wmf, I think the point is so that you can carry your computing environment around with you. 02:26:10 in your pocket? 02:26:23 yeah 02:26:34 blanu was going to put it on cd-rom, others say store it on the "cloud". this is an interesting alternative 02:26:36 I think there are more sensbile solutions 02:26:55 feh, i just want a wearable computer. 02:27:03 well all you really need is the data anyway 02:27:03 get a watch 02:27:11 no need for the ram and processor to be portable 02:27:15 unless you want to use it as wearable 02:28:59 Morbus! 02:29:03 wes! 02:31:02 anyone here taken sat II math? 02:31:17 i'm horrific at math 02:31:30 I registered for both of the math SAT II's and the US History one today 02:31:32 I probably took it back in the day 02:31:34 along with an SAT 02:32:14 58% done with my 640mb download from google 02:32:16 at 200K/sec 02:32:30 been over an hour now I think 02:33:02 if google wasn't so damn useful as it is... I might be able to think of more ways to improve it 02:33:40 I wonder what Linus writes his scripts in. 02:33:55 Linus is a god, he scripts in assembler 02:33:56 sh? 02:34:04 COBOL, probably 02:35:05 I wonder if I will win any anti-bloggies 02:36:51 what are we nominating you for, wmf? 02:37:00 I don't know, anything would do 02:37:12 worst Gay Lasbian and Bisexual Weblog of 2002 02:37:24 s/as/es/ 02:37:35 and add serial commas too 02:37:36 HTP is a terrible glbt blog 02:37:45 exactly 02:37:50 do you think a fundamentalist group could get worst gay & lesbian blog? 02:38:32 it would be funnier if I got best glbt blog... 02:38:38 The only category you might fit in is most obsessed with radiohead and dumbest title, wmf. 02:39:04 * jeremiah likes radiohead 02:39:18 did you get "hack the planet" from "hackers"? 02:39:28 * wmf sighs 02:39:35 you see the first time I visited your site 02:39:35 jeremiah: no 02:39:47 Creep was quite inspirational to some musicians when it came out, as I recall 02:39:48 I think hackers got it from him. 02:39:49 I was turned away by that title 02:39:58 they probably googled for "hack" and found wes' site 02:39:59 I am hardly the *most* obsessed with Radiohead 02:40:07 how long has we's site been up 02:40:10 wes' 02:40:15 and they were like "oh, this must be the super hacker catch phrase! google says so" 02:40:20 there are many who are very obsessed with radiohead 02:40:24 google wasn't around back then 02:40:52 they used yahoo! 02:41:05 Ugh, wes only goes back to Aug. 1998, it seems 02:41:11 newbie! 02:41:46 name 10 older weblogs :-) 02:42:15 http://www.disobey.com/dnn/1998/9809.shtml 02:42:17 :) 02:42:46 impressive 02:43:12 I think I've been "journaling" since at least aug of 98 02:43:24 but I deleted a lot of that stuff 02:43:40 "What's New", robot wisdom, scripting news, infosift, camworld, morb, jeremiah 02:44:16 netscape what's new, tomalak 02:44:27 http://nilknarf.net/j.shtml 02:44:31 that guy goes back to 96 02:44:32 ok - that's 10 02:44:33 I used to know him 02:44:35 flutterby? 02:44:48 wrong, tomalak started Nov 98 02:46:15 flutterby started in 02-1998 02:46:19 err 1998-02 02:46:30 AaronSw: I confirmed with jim that zooko is having net connection problems. 02:46:33 oops 02:46:34 http://flutterby.com/archives/viewentry.cgi?id=1 02:46:52 He's done a good job of keeping the database stable. 02:47:28 Pff: HaX0R teh #swhack archives! 02:48:43 .google marijuanna posters 02:48:44 marijuanna posters: http://radio.weblogs.com/0001189/2001/12/17.html 02:48:57 I shit you not: I misspelled the word, and somehow I get the #1 spot on google 02:49:36 \topic Exclusive! The members of Swhack have not been shitted by Jeremiah 02:49:45 heheh 02:50:53 i'm heading out. gotta get some play done or else i'm gonna be cranky tomorrow. 02:50:56 er, more cranky than usual. 02:51:04 see ya in 12 hours. 02:51:09 Hmm, did diveintomark switch to MT or something? 02:51:46 oh, greymatter 02:51:57 well he really did a poor job of notifying the readers of his rss feed. 02:56:15 wmf has quit ("BitchX-75p3 -- just do it.") 02:56:44 wmf (wesf@cs242733-11.austin.rr.com) has joined #swhack 03:00:28 @ http://slashdot.org/~lm/ 03:00:38 A: http://slashdot.org/~lm/ from wmf 03:02:26 google is looking for someone to finish off the esperanto translation 03:02:49 Hmm, French too. 03:03:25 Whoa, there's a language called Hacker? 03:04:03 "TestFirstProgramming. In order to submit a change, you must provide a test which passes with the change, and fails to pass without the change. Furthermore, your change must not break any of the old tests." 03:04:05 interesting 03:04:18 Hm, that is interesting. 03:04:47 lol!: http://www.google.com/intl/xx-hacker/ 03:04:52 @ http://www.google.com/intl/xx-hacker/ 03:04:54 B: Google from AaronSw 03:04:58 B:|Google H4x0r 03:04:59 titled item B 03:05:19 B::Featuring "EyE Am ph33|1n6 |u(ky" 03:05:20 commented item B 03:09:42 Also, they need someone to finish up italian and klingon 03:10:38 and spanish 03:12:37 have I mentioned lately that the Open Source Definition is hurting open source? 03:13:07 no, how so? 03:13:22 people use it as a substitute for thinking 03:13:46 people do that with a lot of things... slashdot, rms, esr... 03:13:57 they see that BK doesn't meet the OSD, so they abandon it 03:14:12 Ah. 03:15:49 I thought lm said it met the OSD... 03:16:01 no 03:17:12 what section does it violate? 03:17:30 you're not allowed to make arbitrary modifications 03:18:27 really? that sounds pretty bad 03:18:58 you're not allowed to turn off logging 03:19:07 oh. 03:19:41 it has zero effect on open source developers, but they bitch about it anyway 03:38:22 I don't understand why people sign up for HTP with bogus email addresses and then don't post 03:42:10 Hmm. What other benefits are there to signing up? 03:42:16 none 03:42:23 but maybe that's not clear enough 03:42:25 Getting email notifications, but that doesn't make sense with a bogus address 03:42:48 Considering the pain it takes to sign up, i doubt there are people who do it with no incentive, but maybe... 03:42:57 "pain", bah 03:43:03 and your sign in button is very small 03:43:56 Morbus has quit ("http://www.disobey.com/") 04:04:56 rillian (~giles@mist.thaumas.net) has joined #swhack 04:06:23 whois' lm 04:06:41 he's the bitkeeper guy 04:06:46 aha 04:06:50 A:|Larry McVoy 04:06:56 titled item A 04:07:02 A::"The Bitkeeper Guy" 04:07:03 commented item A 04:09:44 A: 04:09:47 A:: 04:09:47 http://slashdot.org/~lm/ 04:09:48 Larry McVoy 04:09:49 (AaronSw) "The Bitkeeper Guy" 04:13:13 @ http://advogato.net/article/430.html 04:13:16 C: http://advogato.net/article/430.html from rillian 04:13:25 C:|The Hacks of our Lives 04:13:26 titled item C 04:13:34 C::it gets better near the end 04:13:36 commented item C 04:13:49 Heh, I chumped that yesterday, I think. 04:13:54 It was pretty funny. 04:14:00 oop, sorry 04:14:11 no worries 04:14:13 maybe the weblog should be a little longer 04:14:21 or chumpster should do a redundancy search 04:14:51 Both of those should be done, but I don't know who will do them. 04:15:25 "Walks out into super-hacker room. All computers have 10 screens flying around the chairs and high speed as that makes all hackers much more effective." 04:15:45 Hmm, I didn't see that. 04:16:11 Where's that from? 04:16:42 the same 04:17:14 Ah. 04:21:30 Ooh, Miguel is thinking about a Mono port to OS X that integrates with Aqua. 04:22:09 * rillian rather hopes OS X with get GNUStep rolling a little faster 04:22:27 that'd be very cool. 04:22:42 But not the same as being able to run windows programs under aqua 04:24:16 who wants to run windows programs under aqua? 04:24:24 oh, nm 04:25:04 Hey, there are at least a couple decent windows programs i wouldn't mind running. 04:27:55 Heh, heh. Jeremiah got 0wned 04:45:56 tansaku (~sam@mtl10gw.mtl.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp) has joined #swhack 04:46:48 * AaronSw is listening to "Killer Queen" 04:47:05 Guaranteed to blow your mind 04:47:24 insatiable in appetite 04:47:31 wanna try? 04:47:48 to avoid conversation... 04:47:52 Kiiiiillllllller Queen 04:47:55 I love that song. I think I'll play it too 04:48:00 * sbp gets earphones 04:48:16 Let's coordinate the start... 04:48:33 O.K. [still sorting 'phones out] 04:49:13 [song ends] 04:49:35 O.K., I'm ready. Countdown! 04:49:39 3... 04:49:44 2... 04:49:55