IRC log of swhack on 2002-02-07

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00:41:13 [Morbus]

pff. my finder just crashed.\

00:48:43 [tansaku]

tansaku has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))

00:49:57 [Morbus]

anyone around?

00:52:38 [sbp]

I am

01:21:03 [AaronSw]

morb, cool

01:21:17 [AaronSw]

<Morbus> hey AaronSw. hear you like MT. cool.

01:21:18 [AaronSw]

Where'd you hear that?

01:21:41 [Morbus]

uh, your blog.

01:22:14 [AaronSw]

oh. i should tell it to keep quiet.

01:22:36 [Morbus]

uh huh.

01:22:41 [Morbus]

people will think you like perl.

01:22:48 [AaronSw]

yeah... ick

01:22:54 [Morbus]

ick indeed.

01:23:24 [sbp]

heh, heh

01:34:29 [Morbus]

* Morbus drafts long email to Derrick

01:35:03 [AaronSw]

How Debian developers can make Debian better:

01:35:03 [AaronSw]

'Run "apt-get remove mutt" (or the equivalent), and

01:35:04 [AaronSw]

spend a few hours actually trying to understand some of the bugs that

01:35:04 [AaronSw]

are in the RC bug list, and *FIX* them. Don't downgrade them. Don't whine

01:35:04 [AaronSw]

about them. Don't propose dropping the architecture they apply to. Don't

01:35:04 [AaronSw]

wonder if that sort of behaviour should even be supported. Don't complain

01:35:06 [AaronSw]

about how they obviously require someone smarter. Don't worry about how

01:35:08 [AaronSw]

this might, hypothetically, not be possible for some things, or harder

01:35:10 [AaronSw]

than it might need to be. Don't mutter about how you don't care about

01:35:12 [AaronSw]

such-n-such a package. JUST *FIX* THEM.'

01:35:20 [Morbus]

heh

01:41:39 [jeremiah]

* jeremiah should remove irc, web browsers and aim

01:41:43 [jeremiah]

and email

01:41:48 [jeremiah]

then my productivity will shoot through the roof

01:41:49 [AaronSw]

Indeed.

01:41:59 [AaronSw]

That seems to be what tav has done, for the most part

01:42:20 [jeremiah]

I was reading that google competition

01:42:26 [jeremiah]

thinking how cool it would be to use plex for it

01:42:38 [jeremiah]

not sure how, just that it'd be cool

01:42:52 [jeremiah]

was also thinking of writing an english webpage->triples converter

01:43:15 [AaronSw]

Hmm, interesting!

01:43:52 [sbp]

how would that work?

01:44:05 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw just noticed you can do http://packages.debian.org/packagename - heh.

01:44:18 [jeremiah]

presumably similarly to how google does it's pagerank stuff

01:44:20 [sbp]

I mean, you're not going to be doing NLP, surely...

01:44:30 [AaronSw]

Neuro-Linguistic Programming?

01:44:33 [jeremiah]

I mean, RDF is based on language

01:44:33 [AaronSw]

;-)

01:45:12 [sbp]

RDF is based on binary relations

01:45:27 [sbp]

language is not based on binary relations

01:45:28 [jeremiah]

well, triples

01:45:36 [jeremiah]

subject predicate object

01:45:41 [jeremiah]

those are all language things

01:45:42 [sbp]

I don't follow your logic. triples are 2-ary relationships!

01:45:49 [sbp]

no, I don't think so

01:46:07 [jeremiah]

ok, let's take a sentence, lemme pluck one off some random website...

01:46:35 [jeremiah]

of course we need a sentence with links in it... (working working)

01:46:40 [AaronSw]

sbp, they can be represented as either. just as they can be represented as graphs

01:46:41 [sbp]

it is possible to parse English sentences into RDF, I do not doubt that. I doubt that you can do it automatically without quite a bit of NLP experience

01:47:02 [AaronSw]

seth claimed to be able to do it, but his stuff was junk

01:47:06 [jeremiah]

sbp: do you mean neuro linguistic programming when you say nlp?

01:47:17 [AaronSw]

i think he means Natural Language Processing

01:47:21 [jeremiah]

ok

01:47:34 [jeremiah]

well in that case, yes, it probably would require nlp

01:47:41 [jeremiah]

but I think it would be simpler than we think

01:47:58 [sbp]

I think you should try it, and find out just how laughably difficult it is

01:48:07 [AaronSw]

Heh... yeah

01:48:20 [jeremiah]

I realize it's difficult

01:48:22 [AaronSw]

Eric got something like that working tho.

01:48:30 [AaronSw]

He drew out keywords from mail.

01:48:34 [jeremiah]

but I also realize google has something very similar to it already working

01:48:35 [sbp]

the alternative is to just convert words per sentence into an index

01:48:45 [AaronSw]

google just follows links -- that's easy and mechanical

01:48:48 [sbp]

yeah, I presume that's more of a screen scraping trick

01:49:39 [jeremiah]

first separate the key sentences (probably the ones with links) into nouns adjectives and verbs

01:50:00 [sbp]

how do you know whether a word is being used as a noun adjective or verb?

01:50:14 [jeremiah]

most words don't fit into both categories

01:50:24 [sbp]

e.g. while

01:50:30 [jeremiah]

yes, and 'fuck'

01:50:38 [sbp]

indeed

01:50:52 [deltab]

verb and noun?

01:51:04 [jeremiah]

and adverb

01:51:07 [jeremiah]

"it was fucking hillarious"

01:51:10 [jeremiah]

err, wait

01:51:19 [jeremiah]

it's used as an adverb somewhere

01:51:27 [jeremiah]

* jeremiah reminds himself to brush up on english before attempting any nlp

01:51:29 [deltab]

that's verb and adverb

01:51:35 [AaronSw]

words like that are used for everything

01:51:54 [jeremiah]

hmm

01:52:11 [jeremiah]

well does anyone else have good ideas for what to do with all this google stuff?

01:52:32 [sbp]

search for palindromes

01:52:49 [jeremiah]

hmm

01:52:59 [jeremiah]

neat but I don't know how useful

01:53:11 [sbp]

of course :-)

01:53:22 [sbp]

unless you're in a palindrome competition

01:53:27 [jeremiah]

I mean, I could see what I want (the triples thing) as something google would actually offer, but when I try to think of other services they might want I draw a blank

01:53:28 [jeremiah]

heh

01:53:32 [AaronSw]

A useful google feature would be to sort by last-modified headers, but they don't include those in the data.

01:53:57 [jeremiah]

or a plagorism searcher

01:54:07 [sbp]

piracy!

01:54:09 [jeremiah]

I don't know how far off that would be from what they already have

01:54:11 [sbp]

* sbp ducks

01:54:27 [deltab]

AaronSw: they're in the stored data, just not displayed

01:54:45 [AaronSw]

Hm? They weren't in the files I downloaded.

01:55:17 [sbp]

* sbp was going to download the tar.gz, noticed the size, and went to do something els

01:55:24 [jeremiah]

haha

01:55:46 [jeremiah]

so do I unbzip those files in the "data" dir

01:55:48 [deltab]

hmm, not too long ago a query I did went wrong and one result started X-Google-Date or something like that

01:55:51 [jeremiah]

or does the code they gave me handle all of that

01:56:18 [jeremiah]

oh wait, I haven't even downloaded the 640M data files...

01:56:31 [sbp]

.google X-Google-Date

01:56:32 [xena]

no results found.

01:56:33 [jeremiah]

all 5 of them

01:56:34 [jeremiah]

jesus

01:56:38 [AaronSw]

wha? "#113718: freenet; newer versions available" that's a release critical bug?

01:56:50 [jeremiah]

it is if you use freenet...

01:56:56 [jeremiah]

* jeremiah ducks

01:57:08 [jeremiah]

AaronSw: what branch of debian is that from?

01:57:43 [AaronSw]

i dunno, i can't find it on these BTS pages

01:57:57 [jeremiah]

* jeremiah downloads a 640meg datafile at 300K :)

01:58:05 [jeremiah]

cox is gonna hate me

01:58:23 [wmf]

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01:58:30 [jeremiah]

hello wesley

01:58:35 [sbp]

somebody put them on a disc and FedEx them to me would... oh

01:58:35 [wmf]

hi

01:58:39 [Morbus]

wesley, good day

01:58:51 [jeremiah]

sbp: ya realize theo ffer that, right?

01:59:13 [AaronSw]

jeremiah, appears to be testing

01:59:14 [sbp]

yeah

01:59:21 [jeremiah]

AaronSw: ok

01:59:41 [jeremiah]

I should write a porn-finder

01:59:44 [jeremiah]

that'd be so funny

01:59:46 [AaronSw]

porn-get

01:59:49 [AaronSw]

it's been written

01:59:51 [jeremiah]

no, but with a google backend

01:59:55 [deltab]

ah, it was X-Google-Crawl-Date

02:00:12 [AaronSw]

jeremiah, images.google.com - it's been written. ;-)

02:00:28 [jeremiah]

yeah, yeah

02:00:33 [AaronSw]

ah, thanks deltab

02:00:50 [AaronSw]

i guess that's what they're showing now with the dates

02:00:56 [wmf]

.porn-get

02:01:15 [wmf]

hmm, tav hasn't hooked that up to xena yet

02:01:25 [jeremiah]

heh

02:01:28 [AaronSw]

plexporn

02:01:34 [jeremiah]

google-plex :)

02:03:17 [jeremiah]

well there's still a while until the contest ends, a long while

02:03:22 [jeremiah]

so I suppose I'll brainstorm for a few days

02:04:49 [jeremiah]

hmm, hook it up to the API (if there is one) for viavoice or that oss speach recognizer, and have it sift through mp3s and recordings of streams, then you can search the streams with text

02:04:53 [AaronSw]

Heh, search engine tips: "Make your site P3P compatible for a link from a site with a Google Page Rank of 9 at: http://www.w3.org/P3P/compliant_sites"

02:05:23 [wmf]

where is that from?

02:05:23 [jeremiah]

how do you find out your pagerank?

02:05:30 [AaronSw]

- http://www.searchengineworld.com/newsletter/2001/blurbs.htm

02:05:39 [AaronSw]

(for wmf)

02:05:40 [AaronSw]

jeremiah, usually the Google Toolbar

02:05:51 [jeremiah]

in windows?

02:05:57 [AaronSw]

yeah

02:05:58 [wmf]

hmm, I wonder what mine is

02:07:09 [jeremiah]

i like the part about the target machiens having "2-4gb of ram"

02:07:38 [wmf]

RAM is cheap

02:07:47 [jeremiah]

yeah they interviewd the ceo

02:07:54 [jeremiah]

he said they use ram instead of harddrives now

02:07:59 [deltab]

AaronSw: they used to show dates for all results

02:08:15 [AaronSw]

but i believe those are last-crawled dates, not last-modified

02:08:21 [deltab]

yes

02:08:35 [AaronSw]

wmf, your pagerank looks like 8

02:08:44 [AaronSw]

camworld and joel are also 8

02:08:50 [AaronSw]

slashdot and scripting news are 9

02:08:52 [jeremiah]

what's mine?

02:09:15 [deltab]

and I remember when they displayed the pagerank of each result

02:09:21 [AaronSw]

yeah, me too

02:09:22 [sbp]

and mine?

02:09:34 [AaronSw]

i dunno, since you guys aren't in dmoz

02:09:38 [jeremiah]

oh

02:09:46 [sbp]

but my page is linked from the P3P site! :-)

02:09:51 [jeremiah]

really?

02:09:56 [sbp]

yeah: right next to IBM, which is quite fun

02:14:14 [AaronSw]

ooh! torvalds is using bittkeeper

02:14:22 [wmf]

yep

02:14:44 [sbp]

.google bittkeeper

02:14:45 [xena]

no results found.

02:14:51 [AaronSw]

.google bitkeeper

02:14:52 [xena]

bitkeeper: http://www.bitkeeper.com

02:15:04 [deltab]

.google linus bitkeeper

02:15:04 [AaronSw]

[via wmf]

02:15:05 [xena]

linus bitkeeper: http://lwn.net/1999/features/BitKeeper.php3

02:15:18 [AaronSw]

.news hack the planet 1

02:15:19 [xena]

Linus Torvalds trying out BitKeeper - I'm glad to seeLinus Torvalds trying out BitKeeper. - http://www.uwsg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0202.0/0989.html

02:16:25 [jeremiah]

ok so what if we programmed a neural net ish thing to look at images from amihotornot.com and compare them to their rankings

02:16:41 [jeremiah]

and maybe it'd eventually learn to tell if people are attractive or not...

02:16:56 [AaronSw]

jeremiah needs an AI smacking

02:17:26 [sbp]

* sbp throws a robotic dog at J

02:17:49 [jeremiah]

.ishehot spb.jpg

02:17:53 [jeremiah]

<xena> no!

02:18:06 [sbp]

heh: "THIS WEBLOG HAS MOVED"

02:18:23 [sbp]

* sbp wonders who this spb guy is that everyone is talking about

02:18:28 [sbp]

.google spb

02:18:29 [xena]

spb: http://www.spb.ca.gov

02:19:17 [AaronSw]

Ooh, they gave linunx their own website: http://linux.bkbits.net/

02:20:01 [wmf]

I think bkbits is moving to be a sort of sourceforge clone

02:20:37 [wmf]

since sourceforge.net refuses to enable bitkeeper support

02:20:48 [AaronSw]

Interesting.

02:20:57 [AaronSw]

And what of subversion?

02:21:06 [wmf]

not finished

02:21:56 [jeremiah]

google has some killer bandwith

02:22:06 [jeremiah]

I wonder how many people are pulling this file off their servers right now

02:22:46 [AaronSw]

you gotta have good bandwidth if you're going to crawl the whole web monthly and still server zillions of users.

02:22:52 [jeremiah]

yeah

02:23:38 [AaronSw]

Hmm, this metapad would fit in my pocket...

02:23:59 [AaronSw]

course i'd need several other pockets for the batteries.

02:24:06 [jeremiah]

what makes it different from a grossly overpowered pda?

02:24:16 [AaronSw]

it doesn't have a screen

02:24:19 [jeremiah]

oh

02:24:46 [AaronSw]

and it runs a real os

02:24:51 [wmf]

I'm not really sure of the point of the metapad

02:25:04 [jeremiah]

well an ipaq with a 1gig harddrive would run a real os too

02:25:10 [jeremiah]

one of the microdrives

02:25:14 [AaronSw]

10gb hard drive

02:25:18 [AaronSw]

in the metapad

02:25:23 [jeremiah]

hmmm

02:25:52 [jeremiah]

I just wan ta nice tablet pc

02:25:58 [AaronSw]

wmf, I think the point is so that you can carry your computing environment around with you.

02:26:10 [jeremiah]

in your pocket?

02:26:23 [AaronSw]

yeah

02:26:34 [AaronSw]

blanu was going to put it on cd-rom, others say store it on the "cloud". this is an interesting alternative

02:26:36 [jeremiah]

I think there are more sensbile solutions

02:26:55 [AaronSw]

feh, i just want a wearable computer.

02:27:03 [jeremiah]

well all you really need is the data anyway

02:27:03 [Morbus]

get a watch

02:27:11 [jeremiah]

no need for the ram and processor to be portable

02:27:15 [jeremiah]

unless you want to use it as wearable

02:28:59 [wmf]

Morbus!

02:29:03 [Morbus]

wes!

02:31:02 [jeremiah]

anyone here taken sat II math?

02:31:17 [Morbus]

i'm horrific at math

02:31:30 [jeremiah]

I registered for both of the math SAT II's and the US History one today

02:31:32 [wmf]

I probably took it back in the day

02:31:34 [jeremiah]

along with an SAT

02:32:14 [jeremiah]

58% done with my 640mb download from google

02:32:16 [jeremiah]

at 200K/sec

02:32:30 [jeremiah]

been over an hour now I think

02:33:02 [jeremiah]

if google wasn't so damn useful as it is... I might be able to think of more ways to improve it

02:33:40 [AaronSw]

I wonder what Linus writes his scripts in.

02:33:55 [jeremiah]

Linus is a god, he scripts in assembler

02:33:56 [wmf]

sh?

02:34:04 [sbp]

COBOL, probably

02:35:05 [wmf]

I wonder if I will win any anti-bloggies

02:36:51 [AaronSw]

what are we nominating you for, wmf?

02:37:00 [wmf]

I don't know, anything would do

02:37:12 [sbp]

worst Gay Lasbian and Bisexual Weblog of 2002

02:37:24 [sbp]

s/as/es/

02:37:35 [sbp]

and add serial commas too

02:37:36 [wmf]

HTP is a terrible glbt blog

02:37:45 [sbp]

exactly

02:37:50 [jeremiah]

do you think a fundamentalist group could get worst gay & lesbian blog?

02:38:32 [wmf]

it would be funnier if I got best glbt blog...

02:38:38 [AaronSw]

The only category you might fit in is most obsessed with radiohead and dumbest title, wmf.

02:39:04 [jeremiah]

* jeremiah likes radiohead

02:39:18 [jeremiah]

did you get "hack the planet" from "hackers"?

02:39:28 [wmf]

* wmf sighs

02:39:35 [jeremiah]

you see the first time I visited your site

02:39:35 [wmf]

jeremiah: no

02:39:47 [sbp]

Creep was quite inspirational to some musicians when it came out, as I recall

02:39:48 [AaronSw]

I think hackers got it from him.

02:39:49 [jeremiah]

I was turned away by that title

02:39:58 [AaronSw]

they probably googled for "hack" and found wes' site

02:39:59 [wmf]

I am hardly the *most* obsessed with Radiohead

02:40:07 [jeremiah]

how long has we's site been up

02:40:10 [jeremiah]

wes'

02:40:15 [AaronSw]

and they were like "oh, this must be the super hacker catch phrase! google says so"

02:40:20 [jeremiah]

there are many who are very obsessed with radiohead

02:40:24 [jeremiah]

google wasn't around back then

02:40:52 [jeremiah]

they used yahoo!

02:41:05 [AaronSw]

Ugh, wes only goes back to Aug. 1998, it seems

02:41:11 [AaronSw]

newbie!

02:41:46 [wmf]

name 10 older weblogs :-)

02:42:15 [Morbus]

http://www.disobey.com/dnn/1998/9809.shtml

02:42:17 [Morbus]

:)

02:42:46 [wmf]

impressive

02:43:12 [jeremiah]

I think I've been "journaling" since at least aug of 98

02:43:24 [jeremiah]

but I deleted a lot of that stuff

02:43:40 [AaronSw]

"What's New", robot wisdom, scripting news, infosift, camworld, morb, jeremiah

02:44:16 [AaronSw]

netscape what's new, tomalak

02:44:27 [jeremiah]

http://nilknarf.net/j.shtml

02:44:31 [jeremiah]

that guy goes back to 96

02:44:32 [AaronSw]

ok - that's 10

02:44:33 [jeremiah]

I used to know him

02:44:35 [Morbus]

flutterby?

02:44:48 [wmf]

wrong, tomalak started Nov 98

02:46:15 [AaronSw]

flutterby started in 02-1998

02:46:19 [AaronSw]

err 1998-02

02:46:30 [AaronSw]

<jillzilla> AaronSw: I confirmed with jim that zooko is having net connection problems.

02:46:33 [AaronSw]

oops

02:46:34 [AaronSw]

http://flutterby.com/archives/viewentry.cgi?id=1

02:46:52 [AaronSw]

He's done a good job of keeping the database stable.

02:47:28 [sbp]

Pff: HaX0R teh #swhack archives!

02:48:43 [jeremiah]

.google marijuanna posters

02:48:44 [xena]

marijuanna posters: http://radio.weblogs.com/0001189/2001/12/17.html

02:48:57 [jeremiah]

I shit you not: I misspelled the word, and somehow I get the #1 spot on google

02:49:36 [sbp]

\topic Exclusive! The members of Swhack have not been shitted by Jeremiah

02:49:45 [Morbus]

heheh

02:50:53 [Morbus]

i'm heading out. gotta get some play done or else i'm gonna be cranky tomorrow.

02:50:56 [Morbus]

er, more cranky than usual.

02:51:04 [Morbus]

see ya in 12 hours.

02:51:09 [AaronSw]

Hmm, did diveintomark switch to MT or something?

02:51:46 [AaronSw]

oh, greymatter

02:51:57 [AaronSw]

well he really did a poor job of notifying the readers of his rss feed.

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03:00:28 [wmf]

@ http://slashdot.org/~lm/

03:00:38 [chumpster]

A: http://slashdot.org/~lm/ from wmf

03:02:26 [AaronSw]

google is looking for someone to finish off the esperanto translation

03:02:49 [AaronSw]

Hmm, French too.

03:03:25 [AaronSw]

Whoa, there's a language called Hacker?

03:04:03 [wmf]

"TestFirstProgramming. In order to submit a change, you must provide a test which passes with the change, and fails to pass without the change. Furthermore, your change must not break any of the old tests."

03:04:05 [wmf]

interesting

03:04:18 [AaronSw]

Hm, that is interesting.

03:04:47 [AaronSw]

lol!: http://www.google.com/intl/xx-hacker/

03:04:52 [AaronSw]

@ http://www.google.com/intl/xx-hacker/

03:04:54 [chumpster]

B: Google from AaronSw

03:04:58 [AaronSw]

B:|Google H4x0r

03:04:59 [chumpster]

titled item B

03:05:19 [AaronSw]

B::Featuring "EyE Am ph33|1n6 |u(ky"

03:05:20 [chumpster]

commented item B

03:09:42 [AaronSw]

Also, they need someone to finish up italian and klingon

03:10:38 [AaronSw]

and spanish

03:12:37 [wmf]

have I mentioned lately that the Open Source Definition is hurting open source?

03:13:07 [AaronSw]

no, how so?

03:13:22 [wmf]

people use it as a substitute for thinking

03:13:46 [AaronSw]

people do that with a lot of things... slashdot, rms, esr...

03:13:57 [wmf]

they see that BK doesn't meet the OSD, so they abandon it

03:14:12 [AaronSw]

Ah.

03:15:49 [AaronSw]

I thought lm said it met the OSD...

03:16:01 [wmf]

no

03:17:12 [AaronSw]

what section does it violate?

03:17:30 [wmf]

you're not allowed to make arbitrary modifications

03:18:27 [AaronSw]

really? that sounds pretty bad

03:18:58 [wmf]

you're not allowed to turn off logging

03:19:07 [AaronSw]

oh.

03:19:41 [wmf]

it has zero effect on open source developers, but they bitch about it anyway

03:38:22 [wmf]

I don't understand why people sign up for HTP with bogus email addresses and then don't post

03:42:10 [AaronSw]

Hmm. What other benefits are there to signing up?

03:42:16 [wmf]

none

03:42:23 [wmf]

but maybe that's not clear enough

03:42:25 [AaronSw]

Getting email notifications, but that doesn't make sense with a bogus address

03:42:48 [AaronSw]

Considering the pain it takes to sign up, i doubt there are people who do it with no incentive, but maybe...

03:42:57 [wmf]

"pain", bah

03:43:03 [AaronSw]

and your sign in button is very small

03:43:56 [Morbus]

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04:04:56 [rillian]

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04:06:23 [rillian]

whois' lm

04:06:41 [AaronSw]

he's the bitkeeper guy

04:06:46 [rillian]

aha

04:06:50 [AaronSw]

A:|Larry McVoy

04:06:56 [chumpster]

titled item A

04:07:02 [AaronSw]

A::"The Bitkeeper Guy"

04:07:03 [chumpster]

commented item A

04:09:44 [sbp]

A:

04:09:47 [sbp]

A::

04:09:47 [chumpster]

http://slashdot.org/~lm/

04:09:48 [chumpster]

Larry McVoy

04:09:49 [chumpster]

(AaronSw) "The Bitkeeper Guy"

04:13:13 [rillian]

@ http://advogato.net/article/430.html

04:13:16 [chumpster]

C: http://advogato.net/article/430.html from rillian

04:13:25 [rillian]

C:|The Hacks of our Lives

04:13:26 [chumpster]

titled item C

04:13:34 [rillian]

C::it gets better near the end

04:13:36 [chumpster]

commented item C

04:13:49 [AaronSw]

Heh, I chumped that yesterday, I think.

04:13:54 [AaronSw]

It was pretty funny.

04:14:00 [rillian]

oop, sorry

04:14:11 [AaronSw]

no worries

04:14:13 [rillian]

maybe the weblog should be a little longer

04:14:21 [rillian]

or chumpster should do a redundancy search

04:14:51 [AaronSw]

Both of those should be done, but I don't know who will do them.

04:15:25 [rillian]

"Walks out into super-hacker room. All computers have 10 screens flying around the chairs and high speed as that makes all hackers much more effective."

04:15:45 [AaronSw]

Hmm, I didn't see that.

04:16:11 [AaronSw]

Where's that from?

04:16:42 [rillian]

the same

04:17:14 [AaronSw]

Ah.

04:21:30 [AaronSw]

Ooh, Miguel is thinking about a Mono port to OS X that integrates with Aqua.

04:22:09 [rillian]

* rillian rather hopes OS X with get GNUStep rolling a little faster

04:22:27 [AaronSw]

that'd be very cool.

04:22:42 [AaronSw]

But not the same as being able to run windows programs under aqua

04:24:16 [rillian]

who wants to run windows programs under aqua?

04:24:24 [rillian]

oh, nm

04:25:04 [AaronSw]

Hey, there are at least a couple decent windows programs i wouldn't mind running.

04:27:55 [AaronSw]

Heh, heh. Jeremiah got 0wned

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04:46:48 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw is listening to "Killer Queen"

04:47:05 [sbp]

Guaranteed to blow your mind

04:47:24 [AaronSw]

insatiable in appetite

04:47:31 [sbp]

wanna try?

04:47:48 [sbp]

to avoid conversation...

04:47:52 [AaronSw]

Kiiiiillllllller Queen

04:47:55 [sbp]

I love that song. I think I'll play it too

04:48:00 [sbp]

* sbp gets earphones

04:48:16 [AaronSw]

Let's coordinate the start...

04:48:33 [sbp]

O.K. [still sorting 'phones out]

04:49:13 [AaronSw]

[song ends]

04:49:35 [sbp]

O.K., I'm ready. Countdown!

04:49:39 [AaronSw]

3...

04:49:44 [AaronSw]

2...

04:49:55 [AaronSw]

Ok, hit it in one second

04:50:13 [sbp]

just like Marie Antoinette!

04:50:24 [sbp]

caviar and cigarettes...

04:50:29 [AaronSw]

Queeeeen!

04:50:35 [sbp]

any time!

04:50:44 [AaronSw]

wanna try?

04:50:46 [sbp]

[guitar]

04:50:56 [AaronSw]

she never kept the same address

04:51:08 [sbp]

I think I'm a bit ahead of you

04:51:11 [sbp]

naturally

04:51:20 [AaronSw]

And i think the opposite

04:51:25 [AaronSw]

any time!

04:51:25 [sbp]

:-)

04:51:36 [AaronSw]

must be typing delay :0

04:51:41 [AaronSw]

[guitar]

04:52:02 [sbp]

drop of a hat

04:52:13 [AaronSw]

drive you wild!

04:52:14 [AaronSw]

wild!

04:52:31 [sbp]

perfect timing there

04:52:34 [AaronSw]

wanna try?

04:52:34 [sbp]

[phasing]

04:52:42 [sbp]

wow, absolutely precise...

04:52:51 [sbp]

[fade-out]

04:52:56 [AaronSw]

[end]

04:53:02 [sbp]

indeed :-)

04:53:08 [AaronSw]

Heh, we get it enventually :)

04:53:12 [sbp]

heh, heh

04:53:35 [sbp]

* sbp needs to select a song from his vast selection

04:53:43 [sbp]

like T. Rex?

04:54:02 [sbp]

* sbp plays Telegram Sam regardless

04:54:02 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw AGs for it

05:02:11 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw plays too

05:04:30 [AaronSw]

I think tomorrow I'll spin back around and work on SPARTA stuff.

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05:35:28 [sbp]

<sbp> hooray, I wrote a fairly decent query engine

05:36:53 [AaronSw]

Awesome!

05:36:58 [AaronSw]

Hmm, I need to grab more Weley Willis songs.

05:37:50 [AaronSw]

Hmm, all the others seem pretty explicity. Maybe I won't then...

05:40:04 [sbp]

explicity?

05:40:19 [AaronSw]

err explicit

05:40:26 [sbp]

ah

05:40:29 [sbp]

wow, check out the action on www-html...

05:41:19 [sbp]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html/2002Feb/0015.html and http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html/2002Feb/0016.html

05:41:19 [AaronSw]

Somehow that sounds like something I shouldn't do. ;-)

05:41:27 [sbp]

you'll wince at this

05:42:06 [AaronSw]

LOL!

05:42:39 [sbp]

[for the record] unbelievable... he was being quite annoying, and *two* people send him off-list messages, very nicely written (polite etc.), and then he CAP flames them back, on list!

05:43:04 [sbp]

hopefully people will just leave him alone...

05:43:45 [AaronSw]

Clearly this virus subscribes people to www-html, and Eric is not the most well-versed person in Internet technologies.

05:44:01 [AaronSw]

I must say, great idea for a virus, tho.

05:44:06 [sbp]

heh, heh!

05:44:47 [sbp]

it started with http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html/2002Feb/0001.html

05:44:50 [AaronSw]

Hmm, in a previous message, Eric clearly stated: "THIS IS A "HTML" EMAIL GROUP WE TALK ABOUT HTML ISSUES."

05:44:58 [sbp]

lol

05:45:11 [AaronSw]

In 0001 too.

05:45:52 [sbp]

it was funny that he repied to that notorious spam... but the funniest thing was that he didn't even reply to the (probably spoofed) sender

05:45:55 [wmf]

shit

05:46:07 [AaronSw]

what?

05:46:24 [wmf]

two of the dryers are not working

05:46:49 [wmf]

so I'm going to be up until 1:30 doing laundry

05:46:57 [sbp]

um...

05:47:08 [AaronSw]

Doesn't IBM pledge a company of openness? No discrimination against people of different heights, colors, soggy clothing...

05:47:29 [wmf]

I already washed four loads, assuming that all four dryers would be working

05:47:34 [sbp]

wear your SO's clothes

05:47:42 [wmf]

lol

05:47:50 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw giggles

05:50:58 [sbp]

Pff... what a rip-off: I worked for ages on Gofyniad, and nwo I'm able to match it with a few simple layered query functions. Why didn't I do that in the first place?

05:51:15 [sbp]

correction: nearly match it

05:51:35 [sbp]

blargh: and then there's transitive closure. That'll be fun

05:52:25 [AaronSw]

Not to be a jerk, but didn't I tell you like forty times to use a layered approach?

05:53:31 [sbp]

I think you told me once, and I didn't listen. The moral of the story: get Aaron to say things repetitively, until they sink in

05:53:59 [AaronSw]

I guess there are some things you have to learn the hard way.

05:54:01 [AaronSw]

;-)

05:55:04 [sbp]

ooh, when I put in a transitive closure example, it says "no... no! ... NOOOOO!"

05:55:25 [sbp]

i.e. a right-royal bork-up is the result

05:55:30 [AaronSw]

Really, that's a very useful feature...

05:55:40 [AaronSw]

"Hey, query deely, process this!"

05:55:43 [AaronSw]

"no... no! ... NOOOOO!"

05:57:17 [sbp]

rquery seems to grok each bit fine, but by the time it gets to tquery, it goes arse-end up

05:57:43 [sbp]

lol

05:57:45 [sbp]

[[[

05:57:45 [sbp]

On Thu, 2002-02-07 at 16:30, Eric wrote:

05:57:45 [sbp]

> AND THE SAME GOES FOR YOU

05:57:45 [sbp]

<snip>

05:57:45 [sbp]

can we report him to spamcop yet? :P

05:57:46 [sbp]

]]]

05:57:57 [AaronSw]

Killfiles, people.

05:58:19 [sbp]

pardon?

05:58:28 [AaronSw]

Without him, what would you talk about?

05:58:43 [sbp]

nothing. it's www-html, remember?

05:58:47 [AaronSw]

See.

05:59:10 [sbp]

oh, I very much agree. But this has to be the best discussion for a while

05:59:27 [sbp]

I mean, most list have juicy on-topic discussions once in a while, and they're really interesting

05:59:37 [AaronSw]

AaronSw has changed the topic to: THIS IS A "SWHACK" IRC CHANNEL WE TALK ABOUT SWHACK ISSUES.

05:59:38 [sbp]

but www-html's topic is all of the off-topic crap

05:59:43 [sbp]

lol!

06:00:18 [sbp]

* sbp is still laughing

06:00:29 [sbp]

* sbp smiles

06:00:34 [AaronSw]

Heh, heh

06:00:36 [sbp]

[and giggles a bit]

06:01:03 [sbp]

if only Eric were here. Perhaps I should invite him in? :-)

06:01:11 [AaronSw]

Heh!

06:01:45 [sbp]

ERIC OUR IRC CHANNEL IS DISCUSSING VIRUSS AND WE NEED YOUR SKILLZ PLEASE COME AND VISIT US

06:01:59 [wmf]

wmf has left #swhack

06:02:02 [sbp]

heh, heh

06:02:17 [AaronSw]

oh, it was just getting good

06:02:38 [sbp]

pff, can't he take a little SHOUTING?

06:03:32 [sbp]

* sbp very rarely types in caps, even for jokes

06:04:02 [AaronSw]

Heh, now a days -- but look in the archives...

06:04:13 [sbp]

oh dear...

06:04:35 [sbp]

I don't look at my old posts anymore. They frighten me

06:05:02 [AaronSw]

Urgh. OPN can be so slow sometimes.

06:05:21 [Eric]

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06:05:25 [sbp]

lol

06:05:26 [Eric]

HELLO SWHACKERS!

06:05:40 [Eric]

I AM GETTING VERY SICK OF DEALING WITH YOU PEOPLE

06:05:44 [Eric]

WHAT DO YOU WANT NOW???

06:05:59 [sbp]

Hello Eric. I wondered if you could tell me the best way to bork a mailing list?

06:05:59 [AaronSw]

Umm, hello...

06:06:10 [Eric]

WHY DO YOU WANT TO BORK MAILING LISTS????

06:06:14 [Eric]

THHEY ARE FOR PRODUCTIVE DISCUSSION

06:06:27 [Eric]

YOU MUST BE THE VIRUS SENDER DESTROYING GOOD MAILING LISTS!!!

06:06:27 [sbp]

and virus complaints, I believe

06:06:31 [Eric]

PLEASE STOP

06:06:38 [sbp]

heh, heh, heh

06:06:39 [Eric]

I HAVE HAD ENOUGH OF YOUR VIRUSES

06:06:56 [sbp]

to quote you: "I AM GETTING VERY SICK OF THESE STUPID MESSAGES ALL THE TIME.

06:06:58 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw keeps quiet

06:07:04 [sbp]

heh

06:07:04 [Eric]

INDEED!!!

06:07:20 [sbp]

Pff, Eric would never say "INDEED"! surely!?

06:07:43 [Eric]

THIS IS A SERIOUS GROUP. DO NOT MAKE FUN OF MY LANGUAGE

06:07:50 [Eric]

WE ARE HERE TO DISCUSS SWHACK ISSUES

06:08:14 [sbp]

so, what do you think of those third world countries then, Eric?

06:08:37 [Eric]

i am very sorry that i spoke about third world countries

06:08:44 [Eric]

people seem to have gotten the wrong impression.

06:09:03 [sbp]

Eric doesn't speak in lower case, either... I don't think he knows about the caps lock button :-)

06:09:12 [AaronSw]

Sure he does: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html/2002Feb/0005.html

06:09:30 [sbp]

Oh, wow. He must have accidentally brushed it, or something

06:09:36 [Eric]

ARE YOU MOCKING ME?

06:10:01 [sbp]

Wow, Aaron's quite clued up on ol' Eric

06:10:16 [sbp]

er... only a little bit

06:10:24 [Eric]

WHO IS THIS AARON? WHY DOESN'T HE GET A LIFE !!!

06:10:48 [sbp]

lol

06:10:57 [sbp]

Eric, could you please tell us what you meant by: "were did my 'height' go from the group"

06:11:05 [AaronSw]

Ooh, Eric can be polite: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/html-tidy/1999JulSep/0189.html

06:11:17 [Eric]

ARE YOU STUPID???

06:11:25 [Eric]

I WAS TALKING ABOUT THE HEIGHT VIRUS YOU SENT ME

06:11:43 [Eric]

AH I KNOW YOU ARE PRETENDING NOT TO KNOW SO YOU LOOK NOT SO GUILTY

06:12:38 [sbp]

wow, he posted a year ago?

06:12:48 [sbp]

height virus?

06:13:08 [AaronSw]

Hmm: http://www.linux.net.nz/lists/NZLUG/2000/10/0085.html

06:13:16 [Eric]

AARGH! ENOUGH OF YOUR PRETENDING

06:13:22 [Eric]

COME OUT AND ADMIT YOU SENT THE VIRUS

06:13:39 [sbp]

* sbp contemplates sending the following to www-html: "Congrtulations, Eric! THanks to your actions on www-html, you were parodied non-stop for half an hour on the world famous #swhack. You should be proud of yourself"

06:14:02 [AaronSw]

I don't think that would be advisable.

06:14:05 [sbp]

lol

06:14:10 [sbp]

indeed

06:15:01 [AaronSw]

Eric tries to help Australian train drivers: http://www1.railpage.org.au/ausrail/98feb/0552.html

06:15:27 [sbp]

heh:-

06:15:28 [sbp]

[[[

06:15:29 [sbp]

Oh by the way I using Netscape in Windows because my Outlook Express in

06:15:29 [sbp]

windows has crapp out

06:15:34 [sbp]

]]] - http://lists.suse.com/archive/suse-linux-e/2000-Oct/0425.html

06:15:48 [sbp]

now, when things break, I must try to remember to say that they have crapp out

06:16:09 [sbp]

Terry Bill?

06:16:16 [Eric]

ARE YOU MOCKING ME??

06:16:31 [sbp]

heh, heh

06:16:44 [sbp]

maybe

06:16:51 [AaronSw]

Well, Terry has the same email address as Eric.

06:17:50 [Eric]

LOOK AT MY AWESOME WEBSITE! http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/erichard/

06:18:15 [sbp]

argh!

06:19:00 [Eric]

I KNOW ABOUT ELECTRICAL SAFTY

06:19:30 [sbp]

heh: "I also wrote another article, it was so strange I came up with the name "Richard Principal" or Dick Head Teacher" - http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/erichard/story.html

06:19:38 [sbp]

this guy is an absolute wonder

06:19:40 [Eric]

MY PAGES ARE XHTML 1.0 STRICT!

06:19:54 [AaronSw]

Eric, if you actually bothered to follow the validator link, you'd see that they weren't?

06:19:56 [AaronSw]

s/?/./

06:20:06 [sbp]

ooh:-

06:20:07 [sbp]

To telephone me, New Zealand (64), Auckland (9), 524

06:20:07 [sbp]

7505.

06:20:10 [Eric]

WHA?? THE WWW-HTML PEOPLE MUST HAVE RIGGED THE VALIDATOR

06:20:24 [sbp]

I might give him a ring!

06:20:34 [AaronSw]

Heh, do take notes for us!

06:20:42 [sbp]

heh, heh, heh

06:21:19 [sbp]

heh: "So what would you suggest then for replacing the "Graffiti" with on the main page? A picture of a nude woman, I don't think so."

06:22:09 [sbp]

oh, wow!

06:22:24 [sbp]

not only is this one of the world's largest sentences, but given what he's been doing...

06:22:25 [AaronSw]

Here's an interesting nugget from his website:

06:22:28 [AaronSw]

"AND I HATE PLAIN BLACK WRITING ON WHITE BACKGROUND HTML E-MAILS, A VERY COMMON PRACTICE USED, WERE PLAIN NON-HTML E-MAILS WILL DO JUST AS GOOD. If you are going to send HTML E-mails add some color into them. These boring HTML E-mails are most often not clear until you reply to sender."

06:22:41 [sbp]

"""Email groups are very good, Some private ones can sometimes leave a lot to be desired, You can get all types of very strange comments and at the same time their help is not so good, they seem to spend most of their time saying things that will leave you amazed most of which come from members who never started the group in the first place, which honestly says something about the group, I found the Yahoo groups excellent you can have your problem solved in a flash

06:23:04 [sbp]

heh, that came up in one of his mails, I believe

06:24:58 [sbp]

good slogan: STOP AT THE SOURCE

06:25:08 [sbp]

or rather: stop at the source, and shut Eric up

06:25:41 [sbp]

cf. http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html/2002Feb/0016

06:26:46 [sbp]

* sbp wonders where everybody's gone - Eric? Aaron?

06:27:10 [Eric]

I AM A BUSY PERSON! SORRY I DON'T ANSWER EVERY THING YOU SAY

06:27:17 [Eric]

OTHER PEOPLE HAVE THINGS TO DO YOU KNOW MR. SBP

06:27:21 [sbp]

:-)

06:27:22 [Eric]

WHAT KIND OF A NAME IS SBP ANYWAY?

06:27:31 [sbp]

you can call me Fred

06:27:33 [Eric]

WHAT'S IT STAND FOR STUPID POTATO BREATHER?

06:27:44 [sbp]

heh, heh, another spb fan!

06:28:00 [Eric]

I AM BUSY - I WILL LOGG OFF!

06:28:07 [Eric]

Eric has quit ("GOODBYE!!!")

06:28:12 [sbp]

heh

06:32:29 [sbp]

"can someone help me before I go cjeiepipeiprlkerip34[42k%#@^&^&%^*^" - http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/html-tidy/1999JulSep/0207

06:32:34 [sbp]

I think he's already gone :-)

06:33:04 [AaronSw]

Ah, "Emac"

06:33:57 [AaronSw]

I wonder if I was like that when I first logged on.

06:34:25 [sbp]

* sbp wonders if there are any old Aaron-posts floating around

06:34:43 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw googles for them... hmm, doesn't look like it

06:34:57 [sbp]

ugh

06:35:16 [AaronSw]

Phew.

06:35:39 [sbp]

Pff, and all of mine are persistently W3C archived? That's not fair!

06:35:47 [AaronSw]

Well, how old is old.

06:35:58 [sbp]

a few years, I suppose

06:36:10 [AaronSw]

Heh, there're still plenty of bits from my stunt as a PR Rep in 1999.

06:37:39 [sbp]

* sbp goes searching

06:38:35 [AaronSw]

OMG, there's a post from 1994.

06:38:53 [sbp]

wow, I didn't know that you were in Entrapment: http://www.hollywood.com/celebs/detail/celeb/505839

06:39:01 [AaronSw]

Yeah, that was fun.

06:39:13 [AaronSw]

wow, this is so awesome!

06:39:25 [AaronSw]

I forgot all about that...

06:39:29 [sbp]

what?

06:39:36 [AaronSw]

This post from 94.

06:40:17 [AaronSw]

Heh, I was 8 years old then.

06:41:03 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw blogs it

06:41:08 [sbp]

ooh!

06:45:13 [sbp]

er... is it blogged yet?

06:46:07 [AaronSw]

yeah: http://vorpal/aaronsw/weblog/000160

06:46:17 [AaronSw]

err... http://www.aaronsw.com/weblog/000160

06:47:01 [sbp]

it's concise

06:47:11 [AaronSw]

The USENET post?

06:47:29 [sbp]

uh huh

06:47:36 [AaronSw]

Yeah.

06:47:45 [AaronSw]

Notice how even then, I had two email addresses.

06:51:05 [sbp]

Shortened sentences. Reads like a funny haiku. And quite interesting: http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=J_aL3.14640%24Od.47050%40news.rdc1.il.home.com

06:51:26 [AaronSw]

Ah, those were the days

06:51:31 [AaronSw]

Too bad no one responded.

06:51:40 [AaronSw]

I still haven't gotten a good answer to that question.

06:52:01 [sbp]

I recall you mentioning DC-nets quite recently

06:52:31 [AaronSw]

Likely so.

06:53:07 [sbp]

aha! I'm not the only person to confer a dubious "predident" title upon myself: http://web.archive.org/web/20000829033631/http://notabug.com/aaron/

06:53:16 [AaronSw]

predident?

06:53:26 [sbp]

s/d/s/

06:53:54 [sbp]

I'll spare you a paste, even though you weren't so kind to me... :-)

06:54:37 [sbp]

whatever happened to that site?

06:54:44 [AaronSw]

I thought it was still there...

06:55:25 [sbp]

it seems to have borked, although Alexa gives 20020118164136 as the latest for /

06:56:02 [sbp]

* sbp feels a bit better, now

06:56:22 [AaronSw]

oh, the server it's on went down this afternoon. gotta fix it tomorrow

06:57:53 [sbp]

Hmm... you seem to have matured one/two years before I did, and you're four/five years younger... so that means... ugh

06:58:52 [sbp]

aaaaaargh!

06:58:55 [sbp]

* sbp notices the time

06:58:56 [sbp]

.time

06:58:57 [xena]

2002/02/07 07:00:35.3689 Universal

06:59:01 [AaronSw]

heh.

06:59:05 [AaronSw]

.time cst

06:59:05 [xena]

Feb. 7, 2002 1:00 am US/Central

06:59:11 [sbp]

wow

06:59:31 [AaronSw]

rather late for me, especially when i['m not doing homework

06:59:34 [sbp]

we should both be toodling, unless you get to lie in tomorrow

06:59:40 [AaronSw]

I do indeed.

06:59:50 [AaronSw]

And then I get my permit that afternoon

06:59:52 [sbp]

ah, that's alright then. you can be a lazy bum, like me

07:00:00 [sbp]

driving permit? great!

07:00:15 [sbp]

not so great for pedestrians, but great for you

07:00:43 [sbp]

and not to put any perssure on you or anything, but you've *got* to pass first time

07:01:15 [sbp]

* sbp wonders how the driving tests are "over there" compared to "over here"

07:01:21 [sbp]

what's the average pass rate?

07:01:32 [sbp]

will you be getting a car?

07:01:38 [sbp]

do you have to take a theory test?

07:02:52 [AaronSw]

The instructor says they're "a joke"

07:03:05 [AaronSw]

It's just a multiple choice thing/

07:03:51 [sbp]

indeed. I think I got one question wrong out of the whole thing... but it was funny, because I was sitting in there, and I was done in a few minutes. But I looked up, and everyone was still going. I sat for quite a few minutes more trying to work out if I'd missed something, but in the end I just gave in and left

07:04:04 [AaronSw]

I don't have to do an in-car test until i get my license, which won't be for a year or so.

07:04:41 [sbp]

Uh huh

07:05:10 [sbp]

how are you with cars? coordinated?

07:05:32 [AaronSw]

I dunno - i've never driven one.

07:05:34 [sbp]

ah

07:05:50 [AaronSw]

Technically, it's illegal to drive without a permit.

07:05:55 [sbp]

well, it's pretty fun :-)

07:06:02 [sbp]

er.. to drive for the first time, that is

07:06:12 [AaronSw]

Heh, I expect so.

07:06:31 [AaronSw]

.spell nightmere

07:06:32 [xena]

potential spellings for nightmere are: nightmare, nightmares, minter, Meitner, niterie, knitter, niter, nitery, Nitra, Niteroi

07:06:52 [sbp]

* sbp wonders where that got mispelled

07:06:58 [AaronSw]

I remember once having a nightmare about driving. My mom left the car and I was stuck behind the wheel for some reason.

07:07:05 [sbp]

anyway, I'd better be bungefundling

07:07:10 [AaronSw]

I kept dodging other cars and driving down sidestreets.

07:07:15 [AaronSw]

Made it home safely, tho.

07:07:27 [AaronSw]

But I was deadly afraid of getting caught.

07:07:36 [sbp]

weird. I learned to change gears whilst turning corners in my sleep

07:07:54 [AaronSw]

Neat.

07:08:03 [AaronSw]

Well, better both bee skerploggling.

07:08:07 [sbp]

:-)

07:08:23 [sbp]

shall I do it?

07:08:30 [sbp]

the famous outro words, that is

07:08:36 [AaronSw]

Ah, sure.

07:08:39 [sbp]

Gotta run

07:08:43 [AaronSw]

laters

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14:05:13 [Morbus]

AaronSw, what's up with your sites, man?

14:05:36 [Morbus]

any of your conv/sYP rss feeds never show up in ampheta, and even when i try to get them through a browser, they are slow as mollasses.

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14:48:15 [deus_x]

Woo. I'm liking python. Slapped together a 10-recent-messages-in-an-IMAP-mailbox-to-RSS CGI in 1/2 hr.

14:56:24 [Morbus]

oooh.

14:56:29 [Morbus]

hey, send that to me.

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16:37:30 [AaronSw]

yo morbola

16:37:39 [AaronSw]

why does movable type screw up my line breaks

16:38:14 [MorbusIff]

i dunno. hold on. i'll answer that in a second.

16:38:20 [MorbusIff]

first, what the free... fucking phone.

16:38:21 [MorbusIff]

hold on.

16:48:01 [MorbusIff]

ok

16:48:33 [MorbusIff]

what's up with your servers? they're always slow... logicerror is slow. all the sYP feeds time out on me.

16:49:06 [MorbusIff]

MorbusIff is now known as Morbus

16:51:54 [Morbus]

AaronSw?

16:52:01 [AaronSw]

hi

16:52:24 [AaronSw]

they're probably slow because of the 4000 aggregators chewing on them and my rotten code

16:52:32 [Morbus]

4000?

16:52:40 [AaronSw]

[hyperbole]

16:52:44 [Morbus]

anyways, what's up with your MT thingy? saw that on your blog too.

16:52:47 [AaronSw]

logicerror.com isn't slow for me.

16:53:15 [AaronSw]

When I paste something into a <pre> i get double line breaks

16:53:27 [AaronSw]

using IE5/Mac.

16:54:16 [Morbus]

double line breaks? in the code itself, or does it transform into br's, p's?

16:54:21 [Morbus]

example anywhere?

16:54:30 [AaronSw]

sure, just a sec

16:54:53 [Morbus]

AaronSw: i have feeds in amphetadesk that haven't been sucked down from SyP since early December (TEOF, for one).

16:55:11 [AaronSw]

Really? You need to extend your timeouts then.

16:55:25 [AaronSw]

What's TEOF?

16:55:39 [AaronSw]

does ampheta always check on the hour?

16:55:42 [Morbus]

timeout's are set for ten seconds of inactivity.

16:55:48 [Morbus]

theendoffree.

16:56:23 [Morbus]

ampheta will check only upon request, and only if the local file is older than an hour. it will first dl the headers, check for dates, and only dl the rest if the dates are newer than the local file. if no dates, it will compare file size and only dl if the filesizes are different.

16:56:50 [AaronSw]

Ah, it is putting <br />s in.

16:56:54 [AaronSw]

see http://www.aaronsw.com/weblog/000160

16:57:22 [Morbus]

ahhh...

16:57:23 [Morbus]

mmhmm.

16:57:32 [Morbus]

yeah, that's gonna be difficult to work around.,'

16:57:46 [Morbus]

since you cant have "autotransform" in only half of a single post.

16:58:15 [Morbus]

best bet here is to use <code> instead.

16:58:20 [Morbus]

even though that sucks.

16:58:20 [AaronSw]

Ok...

16:58:47 [Morbus]

yup, looking good here now.

16:59:00 [AaronSw]

Cool.

16:59:14 [Morbus]

haven't got my 2.0 beta yet.

16:59:19 [Morbus]

i'm hoping they implemented meta categories.

16:59:27 [sbp]

* sbp waves

16:59:33 [Morbus]

he said he implemented multiple categories for asingle post, but they're all fullfledged categories.

16:59:42 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw tries out Mark's statistics thingy

16:59:46 [Morbus]

i just want a keyword type option.

16:59:49 [Morbus]

mark's stat thingy?

16:59:51 [Morbus]

hey sbp.

16:59:59 [AaronSw]

yeah: http://diveintomark.org/archives/00000079.html

17:00:09 [AaronSw]

it's a python script to generate a pretty little stats summary

17:00:22 [Morbus]

ah.

17:00:55 [sbp]

Hmm... the XHTML media type got through quite quickly: http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3236.txt

17:07:34 [AaronSw]

isn't it purty? http://www.aaronsw.com/stats/

17:09:33 [sbp]

very

17:09:55 [sbp]

IE6: 41%? That'll be me :-)

17:10:04 [Morbus]

hey, i use ie 6 too

17:10:22 [AaronSw]

wha? Mac OS X 0%??

17:10:28 [Morbus]

i just use analog to do this crap.

17:11:21 [AaronSw]

How did I come up on a search for "peter shaffer black comedy"?

17:12:25 [sbp]

you don't, according to Google

17:13:02 [AaronSw]

I know, which makes it even stranger

17:14:35 [AaronSw]

Hmm, occasionally I get this error from MT:

17:14:37 [AaronSw]

MT::App::CMS=HASH(0x8340b6c) Use of uninitialized value in concatenation (.) or string at /var/www/mt/lib/MT/App/CMS.pm line 999.

17:14:58 [sbp]

@ http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_1804000/1804914.stm

17:15:06 [chumpster]

D: BBC News | SCI/TECH | Putting the squeeze on paper from sbp

17:15:33 [sbp]

D:|Putting the Squeeze on Paper

17:15:35 [chumpster]

titled item D

17:16:17 [sbp]

D::Ever wondered why you can't compress a wad of paper past a certain size? Where does it get the strength from?

17:16:18 [chumpster]

commented item D

17:16:44 [sbp]

D::Surprisingly, researchers still aren't sure, but they're getting closer to finding out, according to this article

17:16:46 [chumpster]

commented item D

17:17:19 [sbp]

It's odd that we can put a man on the moon, but can't work out why a crumpled piece of paper is so strong

17:17:23 [Morbus]

AaronSw, i can't help ya without knowing what you have on 999. i've mod'd my installation so my num's dont match up/

17:18:11 [AaronSw]

999 is: my $res = MT::XMLRPC->weblogs_ping($blog) or

17:18:46 [Morbus]

hmmm. that error doesn't make much sense then.

17:19:06 [Morbus]

check on the boards for weblogs.com ping.

17:19:09 [Morbus]

there was a bug fix recently.

17:19:24 [Morbus]

as it is right now, the regexp that he used broke with some new change over at weblogs.

17:19:33 [Morbus]

i've got the fix working on my box.

17:19:37 [Morbus]

but forgot what it was.

17:19:46 [AaronSw]

Hmm.

17:19:56 [Morbus]

hmm?

17:20:12 [AaronSw]

Why's he need a regexp for XML-RPC?

17:20:40 [Morbus]

he's not using XML-RPC. to do so in perl would require more installation of crap, and thus a harder installation.

17:20:47 [AaronSw]

Aha.

17:21:58 [AaronSw]

I assume he didn't even provide the option to use real XML-RPC libraries?

17:22:42 [Morbus]

he has a blogger api for incoming, but i don't believe there's anything for outgoing, no.

17:22:59 [AaronSw]

Kenm wrote the XML-RPC libraries for perl

17:23:14 [Morbus]

yeah, the incoming blogger api requires SOAP::Lite i believe

17:23:30 [Morbus]

ken wrote that one?

17:23:40 [AaronSw]

no, ken wrote Frontier::Client

17:24:20 [Morbus]

ah, that's not what he's using

17:24:49 [Morbus]

[[[

17:24:50 [Morbus]

Your server does not have SOAP::Lite installed. SOAP::Lite is

17:24:50 [Morbus]

optional; it is needed if you wish to use the MT XML-RPC server

17:24:50 [Morbus]

implementation. Please consult the installation instructions

17:24:50 [Morbus]

for help in installing SOAP::Lite.

17:24:50 [Morbus]

]]]

17:24:58 [AaronSw]

But i did install it!

17:25:10 [AaronSw]

Hmm.

17:25:10 [Morbus]

right, but that's ONLY for the incoming blogger api.

17:25:13 [Morbus]

its not for the outgoing.

17:25:14 [AaronSw]

Ah.

17:25:20 [AaronSw]

silly, silly

17:25:25 [Morbus]

he doesn't use valid xml-rpc for anything out.

17:25:33 [Morbus]

i haven't investigated it, since i didn't really care much ;)

17:27:42 [Morbus]

do you have "ping weblogs.com" turned on?

17:27:56 [AaronSw]

yeah. it looks like the regexp thing

17:28:12 [Morbus]

you on the boards now?

17:28:17 [Morbus]

i was just about to hunt it down.

17:28:20 [AaronSw]

Fix: http://www.movabletype.org/support/ib3/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST;f=10;t=166;st=15

17:29:02 [Morbus]

yup, that be the one.

17:29:07 [AaronSw]

More proof of perl's suckiness -- i can't tell the difference between the old line and the newline!

17:29:14 [AaronSw]

err the fixed line

17:29:21 [Morbus]

pfff.

17:29:37 [Morbus]

well, yer pretty dumb.

17:29:44 [AaronSw]

Ohh, how obvious

17:29:51 [AaronSw]

indtead of [^>] it's .+

17:29:52 [AaronSw]

pff

17:29:53 [Morbus]

right.

17:30:10 [AaronSw]

you'd think [^>] would work...

17:31:06 [sbp]

[^>]+ perhaps

17:31:13 [AaronSw]

yeah

17:37:47 [AaronSw]

what's a good purpley color?

17:38:25 [Morbus]

bg of low bandwidth?

17:39:01 [Morbus]

or, the cheat at disobey.com/low2002?

17:39:29 [AaronSw]

cool, the digital color meter gives html values

17:39:50 [AaronSw]

thaks morb

17:40:15 [Morbus]

np

17:42:05 [Morbus]

whatcha using it for?

17:42:11 [AaronSw]

aaronsw.com

17:42:34 [Morbus]

oh, on a side note, i'm looking for volunteers to stylesheet the amphetadesk interface.

17:43:04 [Morbus]

"some good recommendations" re: Movable Type? who else told you about it?

17:43:23 [AaronSw]

you, rael, rael, you, rael again

17:43:33 [Morbus]

heh, heh.

17:43:39 [Morbus]

rael's beating me!

17:43:43 [Morbus]

hey AaronSw! guess what?!

17:43:48 [AaronSw]

what?

17:43:55 [AaronSw]

I heard Crucial RAM was great!!

17:43:56 [Morbus]

i heard of this neato geewhiz science invention called movable type! you shoudl try it out!

17:43:59 [Morbus]

LOL!

17:44:03 [Morbus]

shit, i forgot all about that

17:44:05 [Morbus]

that rocks.

17:44:12 [Morbus]

* Morbus giggles violently.

17:44:19 [AaronSw]

Heh, heh, heh

17:44:42 [Morbus]

what are the three programs you're in the most, AaronSw?

17:44:58 [AaronSw]

mac os x, ie and snak

17:44:59 [Morbus]

i'm trying to find out where i spend the most time, so that I can start looking at making my time in them most efficient.

17:45:17 [Morbus]

so far, i've got the OS, Eudora, a browser.

17:45:31 [Morbus]

OS on Win is very scriptable without Perl on it.

17:45:47 [Morbus]

Eudora sucks ass for scripting, so I'd be looking at hooking into some perl scripts run through a procmail for automation.'

17:45:53 [Morbus]

at least thats my goal.

17:46:12 [Morbus]

i'm just trying to make things more transparent. more gateway-y, without reinventing the wheel or another app.

17:46:27 [Morbus]

supposendly mt 2.0 is gonna have email to post capabilities, so bloggig will be set there.

17:46:53 [AaronSw]

Cool.

17:49:27 [Morbus]

eww: http://www.aaronsw.com/weblog/000151.html

17:49:31 [Morbus]

what happened there?

17:49:40 [AaronSw]

What?

17:49:47 [Morbus]

maybe sometime when i'm not at work we can chat more about this.

17:49:58 [Morbus]

i don't want to write new apps, i just want to further hack and extend the ones i'm in frequently.

17:49:59 [AaronSw]

what's wrong with that page?

17:50:03 [Morbus]

um.

17:50:06 [Morbus]

its ugly.

17:50:10 [Morbus]

its just a white page.

17:50:12 [Morbus]

no styles.

17:50:15 [AaronSw]

huh?

17:50:23 [AaronSw]

oh. heh

17:50:31 [Morbus]

<link rel="stylesheet" href="http://vorpal/aaronsw/weblog//styles-site.css" type="text/css" />

17:50:31 [Morbus]

<link rel="stylesheet" href="http://vorpal/aaronsw/weblog//styles-site.css" type="text/css" />

17:50:33 [Morbus]

heh.

17:50:42 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw whistles, hits rebuild

17:50:45 [Morbus]

heh, heh.

17:51:47 [AaronSw]

The MT folks should learn about relative links

18:08:55 [sbp]

Zooko: I just now checked mail for the first time since 01-28 or so, and I have 187 unread messages.

18:09:03 [sbp]

I would have thought he'd have tons more

18:09:14 [AaronSw]

must not include list messages

18:09:45 [sbp]

ah, yeah

18:10:31 [AaronSw]

anyone know how to access emacs menus from the keyboard?

18:11:52 [AaronSw]

aha, esc-`

18:14:46 [sbp]

y'know Aaron, last night was the first time we've really chatted for ages

18:15:00 [AaronSw]

really?

18:15:45 [sbp]

As far as I can recall. Of course, I can't remember much from more than about two days ago...

18:16:40 [Morbus]

mt: relative links? whatdya mean?

18:16:47 [sbp]

cool new words: bungefundling, skerploggling

18:16:58 [AaronSw]

so that it doesn't have to link to the style sheet with the full domain name

18:17:11 [Morbus]

MT itself, or your blog?

18:17:17 [AaronSw]

MT.

18:17:22 [Morbus]

ah.

18:17:24 [Morbus]

you can change that <g>

18:17:25 [AaronSw]

it links to the stylesheet thru the domain name

18:17:39 [Morbus]

they all live in ~/tmpl i think

18:18:22 [wendy]

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18:18:25 [AaronSw]

hmm.

18:18:26 [AaronSw]

hey wendy

18:18:30 [Morbus]

wendy?

18:18:34 [wendy]

hey aaron

18:18:35 [Morbus]

hi wendy.

18:18:41 [sbp]

* sbp waves

18:18:44 [Morbus]

are you coping with the death?

18:18:54 [wendy]

hey y'all. haven't been here in a while.

18:19:05 [wendy]

what death?

18:19:14 [sbp]

Morbus is just being funny...

18:19:29 [sbp]

think in terms of restaurants, I think

18:19:32 [Morbus]

i have a dry, morose sense of humor.

18:20:14 [Morbus]

i can't think of the right word i'm looking for.

18:20:19 [Morbus]

not macabre. droll, maybe?

18:20:25 [sbp]

"jerk" springs to mind

18:20:25 [Morbus]

hmm. i thought it was an mo.... word.,

18:20:39 [Morbus]

* Morbus reels.

18:20:40 [wendy]

ah. right. the death of the 80's "teen flick" is affecting me deeply.

18:21:05 [sbp]

ooh, he's fishing now

18:21:58 [sbp]

anyway, what can we do for you, Wendy?

18:23:10 [AaronSw]

hmm, sorta puts things in perspective

18:27:17 [sbp]

an technical illustrator?

18:27:24 [sbp]

s/an/a/

18:29:36 [sbp]

.debork #swhack

18:30:00 [sbp]

Pff, come on xena

18:30:28 [sbp]

* sbp searches for tav's hidden function

18:32:16 [sbp]

Aaron: I was thinking about efficient storage and lookup of triples. One idea I had was to hash a repr of a triple, and store that in a huge hashtable, and then perform lookups by sub/pred/obj through that. But I'm not parituclarly good at optimizing things

18:33:10 [sbp]

I want to store a lot of data this way, though, and so I don't want to bork it up. I've had a look at Gadfly, but I'm not sure that it's flexible enough to perform the sort of RDF queries that I want. JT's stuff won't install, and the Plex seems to be a while coming

18:34:08 [AaronSw]

why won't it install?

18:34:34 [AaronSw]

I assume you mean J's stuff?

18:35:08 [sbp]

I mean Redfoot

18:35:12 [AaronSw]

oh

18:35:21 [sbp]

it's been awhile since I tried to install it

18:35:32 [sbp]

but I've tried it a couple of times, and both times it didn't want to work

18:35:37 [AaronSw]

I was thinking jeremiah's stuff

18:35:45 [sbp]

what stuff has J done?

18:36:00 [AaronSw]

that berkeleydb thing

18:36:17 [sbp]

.google berkeleydb Jeremiah Python

18:36:18 [xena]

berkeleydb Jeremiah Python: http://docs.freebsd.org/mail/archive/2001/freebsd-ports/20010318.freebsd-ports.html

18:36:57 [AaronSw]

gotta run -- fixing server

18:38:23 [sbp]

c'ya

18:40:30 [Morbus]

.google change x-mailer of eudora

18:40:30 [xena]

change x-mailer of eudora: http://www.geocities.com/edit_x

18:40:53 [sbp]

* sbp plays Tam Lin

18:41:48 [sbp]

Morbus: you know, you should really set up a mailing-list-annouce thing - "The Weekly Morb"

18:43:48 [Morbus]

jeez, sbp, deja vu and all, i think i already had one.

18:43:50 [Morbus]

called chico's groove.

18:50:19 [Morbus]

bwaahaha

18:50:26 [Morbus]

crackmonkey rejected my post because it came from a windows machine.

18:50:37 [Morbus]

just finished editing my mail headers though ;)

18:50:54 [sbp]

lol

18:51:16 [Morbus]

sean: the response to that email I sent you:

18:51:17 [Morbus]

>>"You are a mouth-breathing Microsoft

18:51:17 [Morbus]

>>Windows user, and do not deserve to post."

18:51:19 [Morbus]

:)

18:52:22 [sbp]

heh, heh. Good ol' crackmonkey

18:52:31 [Morbus]

whoo hoo!

18:52:39 [Morbus]

[[[

18:52:39 [Morbus]

X-Mailer: Wheeeeeeeeeee!

18:52:39 [Morbus]

To: crackmonkey@crackmonkey.org

18:52:39 [Morbus]

From: Morbus Iff <morbus@disobey.com>

18:52:40 [Morbus]

]]]

18:52:40 [Morbus]

<g>

18:53:33 [sbp]

heh, heh

18:57:55 [Morbus]

.google rfc mail signature delimiters

18:57:56 [xena]

rfc mail signature delimiters: http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1341.html

18:59:00 [Morbus]

.google usenet rfc related to rfc1036

18:59:01 [xena]

usenet rfc related to rfc1036: http://www.mibsoftware.com/userkt/rfc1036

18:59:04 [sbp]

Gotta run

18:59:06 [Morbus]

grumble

19:00:08 [Morbus]

.google son of rfc 1036

19:00:09 [xena]

son of rfc 1036: http://www.chemie.fu-berlin.de/outerspace/netnews/son-of-1036.html

19:04:07 [Morbus]

dammit.

19:07:15 [AaronSw]

heh, i've been rooted

19:08:11 [Morbus]

wha?

19:08:33 [AaronSw]

some really old server of mine got hit by the adore worm

19:08:57 [Morbus]

adore worm?

19:09:01 [AaronSw]

http://www.sans.org/y2k/adore.htm

19:09:12 [Morbus]

ah. ok.

19:09:21 [Morbus]

heard of the ramen.

19:09:41 [AaronSw]

yeah, this old machine had that too for a while

19:09:57 [Morbus]

really? whatcha running? wu?

19:10:05 [AaronSw]

yeah, i guess so

19:11:19 [wendy]

sbp - i'm playing w/the earl api. you're using a testid="http://infomesh.net/2002/access/#AltTest" but nothing is there (that I can find).

19:11:30 [wendy]

so, it's hypothetical, i assume. what should it look like?

19:14:11 [Morbus]

well,i learned something new today.

19:14:16 [Morbus]

it's not "--", it's "-- "

19:18:01 [AaronSw]

you didn't know that?

19:18:08 [Morbus]

no, i didn't.

19:18:16 [Morbus]

i didn't know about the trailer.

19:18:40 [AaronSw]

odd. the adorefind utility says i'm clean. blech

19:18:44 [Morbus]

sbp: that crackmonkey admin. yeah, after i sent the message through with the bad headers, he insulted my sig delimiter ;)

19:18:55 [Morbus]

er, with faked headers, rather.

19:19:00 [AaronSw]

You loser

19:19:08 [Morbus]

yeah.

19:19:16 [Morbus]

think of all the people i've been privately offending these years.

19:19:26 [Morbus]

it downright makes me want to pull a tav.

19:19:45 [AaronSw]

Mark: "As to the ^Ms, that's because I edited some of it with ActivePython under Windows, because I'm lazy and corrupt and it's a really good IDE but it knows not of UNIX carriage returns, and insists on inserting Windows-style ones instead."

19:20:15 [Morbus]

uh. http://www.boortz.com/Innis.jpg

19:35:50 [AaronSw]

I think his name is "Niger Innis"

19:39:03 [AaronSw]

hmm, i wonder why postgres is non-us

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20:07:02 [jeremiah]

hello

20:07:13 [AaronSw]

hey ther

20:07:15 [Morbus]

afternoon

20:07:18 [AaronSw]

turns out i got rooted too. heh heh

20:07:23 [jeremiah]

really?

20:07:29 [AaronSw]

yeah, some worm

20:07:29 [jeremiah]

what program had the hole?

20:07:30 [jeremiah]

oh

20:07:38 [AaronSw]

i think the hole was in wu-ftpd

20:07:47 [jeremiah]

mine was ssh

20:08:19 [AaronSw]

what distro were you running?

20:08:34 [jeremiah]

debian stable

20:08:40 [AaronSw]

really?

20:08:48 [AaronSw]

wow, i would have thought that'd be safe

20:08:49 [sbp]

lol @ pull a tav

20:09:08 [AaronSw]

did you not run security updates or something?

20:09:13 [Morbus]

sbp!

20:09:13 [jeremiah]

probably not

20:09:16 [jeremiah]

it was a while ago

20:09:19 [sbp]

"<wendy> so, it's hypothetical, i assume. what should it look like?" - I suppose that some TPDL should be put there

20:09:25 [jeremiah]

and I found out about the rooting just recently

20:09:25 [sbp]

oh, she's gone

20:09:40 [AaronSw]

that's really strange

20:09:54 [jeremiah]

I want to install obsd or something on there, but I figure if I just learn how to use all that crazy stuff (iptables) I should be fine

20:10:13 [jeremiah]

linux needs a good GUI firewall configuring program, maybe it already has one

20:10:40 [Morbus]

* Morbus ponders about bullfrogs.

20:10:52 [jeremiah]

* jeremiah ponders about morbuses

20:10:58 [sbp]

ooh, Eric's back!

20:10:59 [sbp]

[[[

20:11:00 [sbp]

you should be grateful for people like me

20:11:00 [sbp]

Please wake up your ideas and stop at the source.

20:11:01 [sbp]

]]]

20:11:09 [sbp]

wake up your ideas, people!

20:11:10 [AaronSw]

the last vulnerability for debian ssh seems to be for hamm

20:11:16 [jeremiah]

odd

20:11:22 [jeremiah]

well that's how the cracker told me he got in

20:11:23 [Morbus]

* Morbus wakes up his "respectable arousal" idea.

20:11:23 [jeremiah]

he/she

20:11:37 [Morbus]

* Morbus wakes up his "human os" idea, which predates humanML by two years ;)

20:11:37 [jeremiah]

left a little note

20:11:54 [Morbus]

* Morbus wakes up "everyview" which predates epinions by two years as well.

20:12:05 [sbp]

lol

20:12:12 [Morbus]

i'm serious!

20:12:15 [Morbus]

its fucking funny.

20:12:24 [Morbus]

going over my old notes, i keep seeing shit and going "man, they ripped my fucking idea off" <g>

20:12:35 [Morbus]

i still have an old design from everyview, which i still like.

20:12:47 [sbp]

I came up with a golf ball construction idea that was subsequently stolen

20:13:03 [Morbus]

oh? tell me about it.

20:13:25 [jeremiah]

is movable type open sourced?

20:13:56 [Morbus]

j: no.

20:14:04 [Morbus]

yer free to mod, but not distro/

20:14:16 [jeremiah]

ok

20:14:17 [AaronSw]

cool, deltab upgraded viewcvs -- thanks deltab!

20:14:26 [sbp]

not much to tell really. It wasn't like I was able to patent it or anything

20:14:46 [Morbus]

yeah, but how do you make the golf balls?

20:14:50 [AaronSw]

Morbus, that's open source if you can distribute patches

20:15:04 [jeremiah]

well, can I get a free copy of movable type?

20:15:07 [Morbus]

huh?

20:15:07 [sbp]

I didn't make the golf balls - the idea was in the construction

20:15:07 [AaronSw]

yes

20:15:08 [jeremiah]

and if so: what does it run on?

20:15:11 [AaronSw]

perl

20:15:13 [jeremiah]

oh

20:15:15 [Morbus]

you can't distribute your patches.

20:15:19 [jeremiah]

* jeremiah spits in the face of perl :)

20:15:26 [Morbus]

you can distribute plugins or add-ons.

20:15:31 [jeremiah]

hmm

20:15:34 [AaronSw]

you can't distribute patches?! that would seem to go against american court prescedence

20:15:39 [jeremiah]

well, I have a license for radio, so I'll stick with that for now

20:15:39 [Morbus]

perl laughs at your petty displays of cowadice.

20:16:04 [Morbus]

AaronSw: i'm pretty sure you can't. since, it'd be hard to tell if a patch is a new feature or a bugfix.

20:16:08 [Morbus]

there's a license on the site.

20:16:14 [Morbus]

he got a lot of flak for it when it first went up.

20:16:24 [jeremiah]

* jeremiah turns into a python strangles perl until it's on the ground, wriggling in a pile of it's own urine as it's syapsese are destroyed from lack of oxygen and pythons swallows it whole

20:16:28 [AaronSw]

Hmm, I don't remember seeing that in the license.

20:16:30 [AaronSw]

what rdf libs are there for python? PlexRDF, SWAP, Redfoot, redland...

20:16:59 [jeremiah]

I still think my english to rdf thing will work

20:17:18 [Morbus]

Although you may modify or create derivative copies of the Software for you own use, you may not distribute modified or derivative copies of the Software.

20:17:34 [AaronSw]

patches are not modified copies of the software

20:18:26 [Morbus]

yeah, i guess patches are fine. he doesn't come right out and say anything about them.

20:18:26 [Morbus]

In addition, if you modify any of the code and feel that your changes would be useful to all MT users, we would appreciate it if you would send us your changes, so as to make them available to the community of MT users.

20:18:26 [Morbus]

20:18:26 [Morbus]

20:18:26 [Morbus]

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20:18:27 [Morbus]

20:18:29 [Morbus]

Q. May I redistribute the Movable Type software?

20:18:31 [Morbus]

ack.

20:18:38 [Morbus]

[[[

20:18:39 [Morbus]

In addition, if you modify any of the code and feel that your changes would be useful to all MT users, we would appreciate it if you would send us your changes, so as to make them available to the community of MT users.

20:18:40 [Morbus]

]]]

20:18:45 [Morbus]

jeremiah: AaronSw uses MT.

20:18:50 [jeremiah]

ok

20:18:51 [Morbus]

its not the language, its what you do with it.

20:18:58 [jeremiah]

yeah

20:19:08 [jeremiah]

* jeremiah realizes that you'l ment movabletype last night

20:19:10 [jeremiah]

when talking about MT

20:19:19 [AaronSw]

yeah, that's acceptable under the "integrity of the author's source code" provision of the DFSG.

20:19:19 [Morbus]

mmhmm.

20:19:22 [Morbus]

i've been using it for a while.

20:19:27 [jeremiah]

is it good?

20:19:28 [AaronSw]

course they don't like losers like that.

20:19:29 [Morbus]

over at gamegrene.com, which is nothing like a blog.

20:19:37 [Morbus]

yeah, j, i love it. contributed code to it, donated, etc.

20:19:46 [jeremiah]

maybe I'll check it out

20:19:57 [jeremiah]

I really wish radio ran on Linux

20:20:18 [jeremiah]

I offered to port it for free

20:20:24 [Morbus]

what'd he say?

20:20:40 [jeremiah]

I don't think he responded directly to the question (dave)

20:20:43 [AaronSw]

Heh, heh! Radio on Linux.

20:21:02 [AaronSw]

They tried that a few years back... they were going to use WINE.

20:21:08 [jeremiah]

oh

20:21:19 [Morbus]

bwahaha.

20:22:06 [jeremiah]

can MT track all my hits and refers and stuff?

20:22:14 [Morbus]

no, that's what analog is for ;)

20:22:22 [jeremiah]

yeah I hate analog though

20:22:31 [AaronSw]

jer: http://www.aaronsw.com/stats/

20:22:40 [AaronSw]

all done with python

20:22:49 [jeremiah]

nice

20:23:36 [AaronSw]

>> what python rdf libs do you use?

20:23:37 [AaronSw]

> Well, I wrote my own: [url]

20:23:37 [AaronSw]

That's disgusting. ;-)

20:23:42 [AaronSw]

--

20:24:01 [jeremiah]

when's the last time you updated the cvs on the server?

20:24:20 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw asks the server using the shiny new viewcvs

20:24:35 [jeremiah]

what is viewcvs? the web interface we have?

20:24:44 [AaronSw]

yeah

20:24:47 [AaronSw]

11 days ago

20:24:50 [jeremiah]

ok

20:24:51 [AaronSw]

cf. http://cvs.plexdev.org/viewcvs/viewcvs.cgi/plex/plex/

20:24:54 [jeremiah]

yeah

20:25:08 [jeremiah]

have you been working on a lot of stuff?

20:25:57 [AaronSw]

a bunch

20:26:05 [jeremiah]

ok

20:26:23 [AaronSw]

zooko came back online today, so we should get networking done soon

20:26:42 [AaronSw]

.seen zooko

20:26:43 [xena]

zooko seen changing nickname to zooko_configuring_linux_kernel ~ 8 day(s) 20 hr(s) 9 min(s) 19 sec(s) ago

20:26:44 [jeremiah]

ok

20:26:51 [jeremiah]

what was wrong with him?

20:27:05 [AaronSw]

he was hit by a blizzard, a cold and bad networking

20:27:08 [jeremiah]

haha

20:27:14 [jeremiah]

well, at least he isn't sick or something

20:27:17 [jeremiah]

well... I guess he was

20:27:21 [jeremiah]

but not deathly sick

20:27:24 [AaronSw]

yeah

20:27:55 [AaronSw]

apparently the kernel he configured din't work with his nic

20:27:59 [jeremiah]

ouch

20:28:16 [AaronSw]

oh, and his wife and son were sick too

20:28:23 [jeremiah]

wow

20:28:30 [jeremiah]

a programmer with a wife and son

20:28:34 [AaronSw]

lol

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20:30:33 [jeremiah]

wow, mozilla saves images to html files now (cool)

20:30:50 [AaronSw]

huh? does it include them using data: uris or somehting?

20:30:58 [jeremiah]

lemme check

20:31:17 [Morbus]

saves images to html files?

20:31:17 [Morbus]

huh?

20:31:19 [jeremiah]

saved the index file from scirpting.com

20:31:25 [jeremiah]

wait, not saves them to html files

20:31:33 [jeremiah]

I save an html file, and it saves the images from that file in a dir for me

20:31:35 [Morbus]

saves them with?

20:31:37 [Morbus]

ah. ok.

20:31:43 [AaronSw]

scripting news is all absolute links

20:31:48 [AaronSw]

wendy, <sbp> "<wendy> so, it's hypothetical, i assume. what should it look like?" - I suppose that some TPDL should be put there

20:32:11 [wendy]

ah cool. thx aaron.

20:37:49 [jeremiah]

haha

20:38:19 [jeremiah]

wow, english language processing is probably completely not gonna work

20:38:28 [AaronSw]

that took long enough

20:38:57 [jeremiah]

yeah

20:39:04 [jeremiah]

I realized how much analyzation it would require

20:39:26 [jeremiah]

now for a new google competition idea...

20:40:56 [AaronSw]

hey jeremiah, did you see my first usenet post?

20:41:03 [AaronSw]

i was eight years old!

20:41:06 [jeremiah]

one sec

20:41:37 [jeremiah]

what was that about?

20:41:48 [AaronSw]

an old tv show i used to watch

20:42:28 [Morbus]

i used to watch that show too.

20:42:33 [AaronSw]

heh, heh

20:43:21 [jeremiah]

what show?

20:43:29 [AaronSw]

"Beakman's World"

20:43:33 [jeremiah]

oh, I used to watch that

20:43:41 [AaronSw]

Heh!

20:43:55 [Morbus]

jeez, are we bonding or what.

20:44:05 [sbp]

NLP: well, I won't gloat...

20:44:11 [sbp]

told you so! nyahh, nyahh!

20:44:49 [jeremiah]

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=jeremiah%40widomaker.com&start=40&hl=en&scoring=d&selm=37C85AA4.EEB81A4C%40widomaker.com&rnum=47

20:44:52 [jeremiah]

I think that was my first post

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20:45:27 [AaronSw]

ah, cheapbytes is cool

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20:45:51 [AaronSw]

ah, cheapbytes is cool

20:45:58 [jeremiah]

note to self:

20:46:04 [jeremiah]

next time you kick the monitor cable out

20:46:14 [jeremiah]

check first, before doing control-alt-backspace and killing X

20:46:24 [AaronSw]

heh

20:46:25 [jeremiah]

end of note to self

20:47:07 [AaronSw]

.test...

20:47:09 [Morbus]

jeez, the fourth ora article bombed.

20:47:13 [Morbus]

only 12 comments.

20:47:21 [AaronSw]

hmm

20:47:44 [AaronSw]

maybe people don't like four-part trilogies

20:47:48 [jeremiah]

hmm

20:47:56 [Morbus]

they made me write it!

20:48:01 [sbp]

Pff, as it

20:48:04 [AaronSw]

riiiigh

20:48:05 [sbp]

if, even

20:48:07 [Morbus]

they're the ones who wanted it!

20:48:10 [Morbus]

not me, no!

20:48:15 [Morbus]

i wanted to go back to the sewers

20:48:29 [AaronSw]

well if you'd sticked to python like i said!

20:48:45 [Morbus]

yeah, if i sticked to python, no one would want any more articles <g>

20:49:59 [Morbus]

heh

20:50:02 [jeremiah]

these are the osx articles?

20:50:05 [Morbus]

i think this is my first usenet post: http://groups.google.com/groups?q=author:morbus%40totalnetnh.net&hl=en&scoring=d&selm=morbus-2007971011330001%40s3.terminal1.totalnetnh.net&rnum=7

20:50:51 [AaronSw]

404 http://totalnetnh.net/~morbus/

20:50:59 [Morbus]

yup.

20:51:05 [Morbus]

there was a redirect in there once.

20:51:09 [Morbus]

disappeared last server changeover.

20:51:09 [AaronSw]

you url destroying LOSER!

20:51:25 [Morbus]

heh, my first one from @disobey.com: http://groups.google.com/groups?q=author:morbus%40disobey.com&start=90&hl=en&scoring=d&selm=morbus-3011970041370001%40s18.terminal1.totalnetnh.net&rnum=100

20:51:36 [Morbus]

hey! check out any other URL on my site, and if it used to exist, it still redirects!

20:51:43 [Morbus]

don't you dare poke fun at me.

20:51:48 [AaronSw]

wtf is Steve Baldwin Associates?

20:52:06 [Morbus]

he's the guy who wrote ghostsites under pathfinder.

20:52:08 [Morbus]

back in 96.

20:52:28 [AaronSw]

heh.

20:52:32 [AaronSw]

" --- Detergent: Everything else. Oh yeah, funny sheep movie"

20:52:36 [Morbus]

:)

20:54:01 [AaronSw]

gotta run: getting drivers permit

20:54:44 [sbp]

c'ya

20:56:03 [Morbus]

anyone know an easy way, shell or perl, to get aggregate data on the number of emails sent and the total size of them, from a large sendmail log?

20:56:15 [Morbus]

i'll probably end up hacking one togather, but just curious.

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21:35:35 [Morbus]

'noon ken.

21:35:42 [kmacleod]

howdy

21:36:26 [kmacleod]

my connection to home is flaking on me, within moments of logging it it freezes

21:36:34 [Morbus]

ouch.

21:36:47 [Morbus]

my os x box would freeze my modem whenever i uploaded data.

21:36:51 [Morbus]

it was horrific.

21:37:05 [Morbus]

i couldn't send emails with attechments, which in a round about way, is a good thing. but i couldn't even ftp large files around.

21:37:36 [kmacleod]

it'd be funny if it were a +++ bug ;)

21:37:45 [Morbus]

heh, heh.

21:37:54 [Morbus]

hey, did you hear of that "begin " thing that plagues OE?

21:38:10 [kmacleod]

hah! yes, I need to start trying that ;)

21:38:35 [Morbus]

i know a guy who uses his "this person spoke the following" email quote thing as "begin what morbus said:"

21:38:38 [Morbus]

funny stuff :)

21:38:43 [kmacleod]

does it need anything else after the "begin ", like a file name or mode, or is it purely the "begin "?

21:38:56 [Morbus]

begin and two spaces, anything else is optional.

21:39:29 [Morbus]

here's one, that doesn't mention it: http://www.rodos.net/outlook/

21:39:41 [kmacleod]

hehe. I've got one especially bad correspondent, she is a typical Outlook user, 10 full back copies in both plain text and html

21:39:46 [Morbus]

ooh, actually, it does mention it at the end.

21:39:57 [Morbus]

OOoo. she'd drive me nuts nuts nuts.

21:40:05 [kmacleod]

thinks hacked-out Word docs look more professional than, say, HTML or plain text, and the word docs are *awful*

21:40:18 [Morbus]

i couldn't figure out how to use word to make my resume.

21:40:28 [Morbus]

i did it in HTML, and included the source code when i handed it out ;)

21:40:55 [Morbus]

then i lost the damn thing, which sucked.

21:41:07 [Morbus]

but then again, i have the bestest job security, so it doesn't really matter.

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22:16:21 [Morbus]

[[[

22:16:21 [Morbus]

[17:15] <octal> http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/02/07/teen.sex/index.html

22:16:21 [Morbus]

[17:15] <octal> hAHAHA

22:16:21 [Morbus]

[17:17] <choric> *gasp* I'm shocked. None of that was intuitive at all!

22:16:21 [Morbus]

[17:17] <Morbus> this stuff happens?

22:16:22 [Morbus]

[17:17] <Morbus> in america?

22:16:24 [Morbus]

[17:17] <Morbus> *america*?!

22:16:26 [Morbus]

[17:17] <Morbus> wow. as dave winer would say: "mind bomb"!

22:16:28 [Morbus]

]]]

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23:18:12 [sbp]

eb

23:18:15 [sbp]

or wb