00:03:45 oh, neat! 00:03:50 .google Homer purple donut 00:03:51 Homer purple donut: http://infomesh.net/sbp/?TheSimpsons 00:03:55 I thank you! 00:04:57 and I'm third for "Homer Simpson - The Beer Baron" 00:05:50 .google "Homer J. Simpson" Beer Baron; Banner 00:05:51 "Homer J. Simpson" Beer Baron; Banner: http://infomesh.net/sbp/?TheSimpsons 00:06:49 kick-ass: for "The Simpsons, Homer, Mr. X" I'm second only to the official Fox site 00:10:19 WFM! For "Homer Quote" (no quotes), I'm in the top ten. I only link to the site once... what's up with that? [not that I'm complaining] 00:11:51 hooray! 00:11:53 .google Simpsons Beer Baron 00:11:54 Simpsons Beer Baron: http://infomesh.net/sbp/?TheSimpsons 00:12:33 wow... if I start linking to it, it'll be the top of every search possible on Google 00:13:38 sbp: 00:13:45 chumpster has quit (zahn.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 00:13:45 deltab has quit (zahn.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 00:13:46 the cvs line is $Revision$ right? 00:14:48 blargh to you, sir 00:15:21 $Id$, $Date$, $Revision$ 00:15:50 some people do "$Revision$ of $Date$" 00:16:02 mmhmm. 00:26:30 wow, I just found out some more cool stuff about HTML 00:27:38 All mIRC users should upgrade to mIRC 6.0 at once (apologies to non-mIRC users). This is available from http://www.mirc.co.uk. A serious vulnerability has been discovered in all versions of mIRC up to version 5.91 which could allow malicious users to gain unauthorized access to your system - it is particularly serious for those using IE as their browser. 01:04:42 deltab (deltab@mewtwo.espnow.com) has joined #swhack 01:05:24 tansaku (~sam@h132-143.tokyu-net.catv.ne.jp) has joined #swhack 01:12:36 heh! 01:12:37 [[[ 01:12:38 01:12:38 Newsgroups: comp.text.sgml 01:12:38 Date: 06 Jun 1992 20:03:27 UT 01:12:38 From: Erik Naggum \ [...] 01:12:39 References: <1992Jun5.205639.21823@news.eng.convex.com> 01:12:41 Subject: Re: using NOTATIONs inline 01:12:43 Dan Connolly \ writes: 01:12:45 | 01:12:47 | The WWW group is attempting to define a multimedia interchange 01:12:49 | format called HTML. . . . 01:12:51 Why not use HyTime? 01:12:53 ]]] 01:13:41 ooh, interesting (and from the same author/message) 01:13:42 [[[ 01:13:43 Blessed and blessed. The SGML declaration is supposed to reflect the 01:13:43 reality of the document, not enforce arbitrary limits on them. So you 01:13:43 write an SGML declaration which fits the document. 01:13:44 ]]] 01:14:18 wonder what he's up to now? 01:14:20 .google "Erik Naggum" 01:14:22 "Erik Naggum": http://www.naggum.no 01:15:34 "dunno" is the answer - and for the record... 01:15:39 .http://www.naggum.no/ 01:15:40 error: [Errno socket error] (111, 'Connection refused') 01:15:44 heh. there are 59 configuration variables in amphetadesk. 01:15:55 63 if you count deprecated. 01:16:01 59?! 01:16:42 heh, heh. 01:16:45 yeah :) 01:17:31 set port... name of creator (Morbus), name of deeley (Amphetadesk)... set port... er... there's the port... 01:17:45 oh, name of the creator (Morbus) 01:17:52 that's in there ;) 01:17:54 er... and the port 01:17:55 app_contact 01:17:59 heh! neat 01:18:08 the port is determined by the webserver, since it tries to pick three of them. 01:18:11 is the new code being actively CVS'd? 01:18:25 nope. your stupid proxy something or other just denied by DCC send. 01:18:36 woo! it sucks 01:18:42 CTCP DCC reply from sbp: REJECT SEND "Settings.pm" (dircproxy: unable to proxy) 01:18:45 Hmm... DCC Send from Morbus rejected (Settings.pm, file type ignored) 01:18:50 huh? 01:18:51 pfff. 01:18:52 hang on a sec 01:20:25 SeanP (sbp@m843-mp1-cvx4c.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack 01:20:47 there: try sending it to the other me 01:21:06 SeanP has quit (Client Quit) 01:21:10 lol 01:21:16 SeanP (sbp@m843-mp1-cvx4c.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack 01:21:18 i hacked j00 bitch 01:21:21 that's better 01:21:33 Pff 01:21:42 connecting... 01:21:46 argh, it did it again 01:21:47 * Morbus twiddles fingrs. 01:21:49 lemme fix it 01:23:27 try again couldya? 01:24:18 yup 01:24:46 argh, damnit 01:26:11 O.K., I think I've fixed it this time 01:26:27 kralor (devine@212.53.104.248) has joined #swhack 01:26:41 hi 01:26:58 mornign 01:27:16 ever seen the movie "waking ned devine"? 01:27:21 there are naked old men in there. 01:27:45 hooray! 01:27:47 lo 01:27:56 did it finally go? 01:28:02 er... at the file transferring. yes. 01:28:08 not at the naked men... :-) 01:28:12 odd. here, it still says its sending 01:28:16 naked old men, indeed 01:28:28 "Connection failed" 01:28:32 it *was* sending 01:28:56 Morbus, you know you'd get more help if you ported it to Python. ;-) 01:29:03 yeah, shuddup ;) 01:29:03 "Transfer complete" 01:29:40 did you tar it, or something? 01:29:49 no, uh, it should be a regular text file. 01:29:57 goddamit, did this fucking thin... sigh. 01:29:58 hold on. 01:30:00 kralor has left #swhack 01:30:27 stupid snak sends by macbinary by default 01:31:42 yep, that's what the extra bytes must be 01:31:46 anyway... oh wow, you weren't kidding - that's a lot of settings 01:31:51 :) 01:32:08 your comments are quite wonderful too - do you know how much faster your code would be if you got rid of them? :-) 01:32:14 lol. 01:32:17 uh huh. sure ;) 01:32:30 i've been "known" for my comments ;) 01:32:58 indeed 01:33:44 heh: the set_setting version number is... er... interesting 01:33:54 * Morbus whistles nonchalantly 01:34:09 oh hey, its also a syntax error. 01:34:09 thanks! 01:34:10 01:34:32 ooh, you're right. You forgot the " 01:34:36 yup 01:34:45 sbp: debugging code without realising it 01:34:57 did you get the mirc warning, sbp? 01:35:03 I'm using 6.0 01:35:19 [i.e. yep, thanks!] 01:35:26 I found out through BBC news 01:36:10 scary stuff. It almost made me want to change IRC programs - but I'm too used to mIRC's quirks now 01:37:14 whoo hoo! 01:37:16 perl -MAmphetaDesk::Settings -e 'dump_my_settings' 01:37:18 that works now. 01:37:35 such a minor victory that means little. 01:37:37 * Morbus dances! 01:42:14 @ http://www.half-empty.org/ideas/dc/27/f3/f5/da/default_index.html 01:43:32 where'd chumpster go? 01:43:43 he logged out with deltab 01:43:52 deltab came back. poor chumpster didn;t. 01:43:55 * Morbus whistles 01:44:01 so demanding 01:44:10 I want chumpster! 01:44:17 fine, fine... 01:44:26 * AaronSw looks up the magic spell 01:44:36 * AaronSw whistles 01:44:37 come on harry potter! 01:44:39 here boy! 01:44:42 here boy! 01:44:50 potter sucks! 01:44:51 chumpster (~chumpster@xcdfddb76.ip.ggn.net) has joined #swhack 01:44:51 down with potter! 01:44:57 uh. potter rules! 01:45:00 that was sbp! 01:46:08 wmf (wesf@cs242733-11.austin.rr.com) has joined #swhack 01:46:23 hey wmf! 01:46:33 oh. it's wmf. sigh. 01:46:34 01:46:41 hello AaronSw 01:46:46 Morbus: :-P 01:46:52 heh. how are ya? 01:47:06 fine 01:47:16 I've been reading some obfuscated VHDL code 01:48:22 @ http://www.half-empty.org/ideas/dc/27/f3/f5/da/default_index.html 01:48:23 A: http://www.half-empty.org/ideas/dc/27/f3/f5/da/default_index.html from sbp 01:48:34 I don't know what VHDL is, but it sounds like something that's obfuscated by nature. 01:48:45 A:|Why is everyone talking about XML? 01:48:46 titled item A 01:49:20 .acronym vhdl 01:49:21 vhdl: VHSIC Hardware Description Language, Very High-level Design Language 01:49:30 Very Hacky Definition Language 01:49:41 VHDL is used to design chips 01:49:49 SeanP has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01:50:40 I figured. 01:51:22 I bet Intel has corporate obfuscated VHDL contests... 01:51:32 "How big and hot can you make a Pentium?" 01:51:37 heh 01:52:07 I don't think this code is deliberately obfuscated, but I think it was generated with some kind of RAD tool 01:53:00 A::This poor fellow... "[XML is] like Java for data, One Common Standard. And 'extras' like XSLT are even cooler, like regexp's taken to the next level." 01:53:02 commented item A 01:53:32 Hmm, perhaps he has some hope. He goes on to say: 01:53:35 "I had a little thought while hacking away on an XSLT template recently, I recalled a book by Vernor Vinge in which all the computer systems of the future have their O/S's layered upon earlier O/S's and they are so complex nobody can acutally understand them. I thought, I wonder if someone left a little XSLT template easter egg somewhere down in the depths, what might it do." 01:53:59 dissembler... 01:54:23 Yeah, yeah -- I'll read it as soon as I can get a copy, OK? 01:54:44 A::vok: "Yeah, I'm pretty sure XML stands for X-treme Markup Language ;) This makes it cool with the kids." What's next? The XML-Games on ESPN3? 01:54:46 commented item A 01:55:59 * AaronSw goes back to studying "The Rules of the Road" 01:56:55 I get my permit Thursday, mwahaha! 01:57:08 watch out world! 02:00:53 the sidewalks will no longer be safe. Walk on the roads, people! 02:03:11 is he getting a Segway? 02:04:12 Heh, heh 02:04:26 Too cold out for that 02:08:36 back up to the 60's here 02:10:16 * Morbus gets frustrated. 02:11:58 "Now once Supernews engineers their servers to allow Harlan to cancel any posting he has a personal problem with, there's no reason why others can't also have this power. Universal Music Group will ask for the same thing, followed by all the RIAA. And so on and so forth." 02:16:56 Heh, this book defines antiques as vehicles > 25 years of age. 02:17:13 * AaronSw wonders how many people here are antiques. 02:17:33 * wmf is not a vehicle 02:17:52 I dunno how they define vehicles. You move rapidly. 02:17:58 That's good enough for me. 02:18:24 Who's Harlan? 02:18:37 a writer 02:18:53 My daughter rides around on my neck and I'm over 25 -> I'm a antique 02:18:58 * AaronSw looks at slashdot... 02:21:41 Man, he sounds angry: "THE IDIOT SLOGAN ³INFORMATION MUST BE FREE.² A WRITER¹S WORK IS NOT INFORMATION: IT IS OUR CREATIVE PROPERTY, OUR LIVELIHOOD AND OUR FAMILIES¹ ANNUITY" 02:24:59 I wonder: if you encrypt someone's work and provide the decryption key, is it still "piracy"? 02:26:14 only pirates use such tricky language... we should lock you up before you cause any real trouble 02:27:02 i second that. 02:27:06 lock him up before he gets his permit. 02:27:12 Hey! Your friend at the EFF was advocating encryption to get around piracy prevention -- but they didn't lock him up. 02:27:30 GabeW, do you know? 02:27:45 the EFF has media connections, can't lock them up 02:27:57 I have EFF connections, can't lock me up 02:32:44 chumpster has quit (zahn.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 02:32:44 deltab has quit (zahn.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 02:33:19 chumpster (~chumpster@xcdfddb76.ip.ggn.net) has joined #swhack 02:33:19 deltab (deltab@mewtwo.espnow.com) has joined #swhack 02:34:25 tsk, tsk, DanC is confusing soundness and validity 02:34:53 you'll just have to give him a sound swhack on the head 02:35:07 (or is it a valid swhack on the head...) 02:35:37 i hate modules. 02:35:38 Heh. Last time you linked to my bit about what a swhack his, whump joined the channel, so there was lots of swhacking and whumping going on. 02:35:53 heh 02:36:49 http://www.userland.com/mostReadSitesYesterday 02:37:47 I'm starting to wonder if Joel getting his own server was due to subtle nudges from userLand. 02:37:49 themes is 404 02:38:03 Joel probably wanted to use CityDesk 02:38:13 But he bought a Manila server. 02:38:37 I would too if I was competing with Manila 02:39:06 I wonder what MattyG thinks. 02:41:03 Dave is shuddering to think at the linkrot?! 02:41:25 oh, i take it back discuss.userland.com is back on 02:46:23 i say my name 02:46:41 I wonder: if you encrypt someone's work and provide the decryption key, is it still "piracy"? 02:46:58 you're the nearest lawyer-type 02:47:02 thanks, I guess 02:47:04 ;- 02:47:07 ;-) 02:47:25 techncally,I think encrypting it without permission would infringe a copyright 02:47:43 Hmm, really? 02:47:51 hehe it depends ! 02:48:04 how did you get the material? 02:48:14 i'm missing context 02:48:20 Let's say I bought somebody's audio CD 02:49:19 Are you saying I can't rip it to an encrypted hard disk partition? 02:49:34 well, there is the Audio Home Recording Act 02:49:48 (i forget if thats the exact name) 02:49:53 That sounds right. 02:50:02 it carves out exceptions for this sort of thing "at home" 02:50:13 I imagine(though I don't know) that it would cover such a use.. but maybe not.. 02:50:43 that could be 'using' 'copying' or 'preparing a derivative work' 02:50:56 each of which is a right under copyright which the copyright holder owns 02:51:15 now, keep on going with your scenario 02:51:15 well the home recording act seems to protect copying 02:51:43 Yeah, so I put it onto my encrypted hard disk partition, and then stick the encrypted bits on my website along with the decryption key. 02:51:53 And publicize the address. 02:52:05 your encrypted hard disk partition is publicly available? 02:52:12 oh 02:52:14 sorry 02:52:31 i think the big problem is "sticking the bits on your website" 02:52:35 even if encrypted 02:52:36 its publishing 02:52:42 which is another right 02:53:06 But I'm not publishing his work. I'm publishing this random set of bits! 02:53:08 you'll have to try harder to hack copyright 02:53:15 Hmmph. 02:53:35 the encrypted version is clearly a derivatibe work 02:53:43 What if I can provide two decryption keys -- one creates deadbeefdeadbeef... and one creates the song? 02:54:02 you could restate this as "I published a derivative work which is usable by applying a key to it"... which is no different than saying "I'm pubilshing a book on a cdrom which is readable using the ISO9660 and HTML formats" 02:54:03 then you're having fun 02:54:17 AaronSw: thats not a new idea ;-) 02:54:29 then it becomes an issue of proof - 02:54:33 evidence 02:55:01 the freehaven folks are talking about that 02:55:06 My dad found an awesome copyright loophole, though. States can violate copyright law according to the supreme court. 02:55:27 well, there is a provision somewhere about state copyright infringement 02:55:29 i forget where 02:55:31 So you just put the content on a server at a state university. 02:55:43 oh, but you're still liable 02:55:49 welp, i've accomplish absolutley nothing tonight. 02:55:51 great fun. 02:56:00 [cough] python 02:56:19 AaronSw, i'm starting to think you have a manhood complex. 02:56:22 shut the hell up! 02:56:26 Heh, heh 02:56:43 there was some recent decision about states and copyright involving some state university - but thats all I can recall 02:57:02 and I don't know if this was a copyright decision or something else ... 02:59:52 Morbus has quit ("http://www.disobey.com/") 03:01:03 TiVo is spying! http://www.siliconvalley.com/docs/news/svfront/tivo020502.htm 03:01:30 old news 03:01:57 sorry - i'm not mr. super-weblog-reader 03:02:42 i'm off to be Family Man 03:02:44 see ya 03:03:02 tansaku has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03:03:10 all the appliance companies have sleazy business models 03:03:33 GabeW has quit ("Client Exiting") 03:08:11 tav isn't doing so well with his IRC vacation: 03:08:13 "i succumbed and loaded radio." 03:09:17 Heh, it's pretty obvious what Mark Bernstein is referring to: "A Google search led me to the download page for a popular internet utility today, and I was astonished by the quantity of whining, contemptuous, and bitter user comments." 03:10:14 er, I don't get it 03:10:44 It seems like he's talk about Radio. 03:10:52 since he'll be releasing a competitor any day now 03:11:11 .google Mark Bernstein 03:11:11 Mark Bernstein: http://www.markbernstein.org 03:11:17 obvious 03:11:42 Would it be worthwhile for me to write up something on why weblogs and wiki's don't have flamewars? 03:12:09 I think weblogs do have flamewars 03:12:20 well, less severe flamewars 03:12:39 Radio doesn't cost $45 03:12:39 perhaps that's what the public wants 03:12:53 we could set up a great HTP vs. Swhack flamewar 03:12:55 how much does radio cost? $49? 03:13:10 $39 IIRC 03:13:18 C::Wesley Felter is a no good cheating idiot stupidhead! 03:13:46 "Radio UserLand 8.0 is $39.95" - http://radio.userland.com/ 03:13:52 wmf wins 03:14:32 anyway, my theory on flamage is that there's no common space, so it's easy to tune out the flamers 03:14:59 Yeah, pretty much. a) you don't have to go back to their site and b) you tend to write for a more general audience 03:16:12 Apple: "Enter the Apple Design Awards" Ohhhh, I want to. 03:23:25 looks like Jim Roepcke is going back to Canada 03:23:52 025644Z My dad found an awesome copyright loophole, though. States can violate copyright law according to the supreme court. 03:23:58 itym "can't" 03:24:10 .acronym itym 03:24:11 itym: I Think You Mean, I Thought You Meant 03:24:29 Hmm. 03:24:52 I could go either way on that. Maybe ignore would be a better choice of word than 'violate'. 03:24:56 states cannot violate copyright law, because it does not apply to them 03:25:10 or states can violate copyright law and not get busted 03:25:25 right 03:25:45 they wouldn't be violating it, legally 03:25:56 morally, *perhaps* 03:26:06 anyway, we know what he *meant* 03:26:38 wmf has a low tolerance for deltab's detailism 03:26:42 yes, so I said 03:27:55 the VHDL is getting to me 03:29:21 Heh, they named him Xavier after all 03:29:45 deltab has changed the topic to: * 03:29:52 aargh 03:30:13 * deltab hits the /topic command with a stick 03:30:24 my parents weren't sure whether to name me Wesley Michael or Michael Wesley 03:30:46 I dunno, Mike Felter doesn't have the same ring to it. 03:31:00 Mike Felter is my uncle 03:31:25 "Some telemarketer called me today to give me two months of HBO-on-demand for free. I'll let you know how it goes." - sounds like television slamming 03:32:29 yeah, I have to remember to cancel it 03:32:35 * wmf makes a calendar entry 03:34:33 have I mentioned that VOD is a convenient way for the networks to get rid of their PVR problem? 03:35:10 deltab has changed the topic to: Missing: topic. Last seen 03:31Z. Answers to the name chptr->topic. 03:35:11 Eliminate FF or block it during commercials (like those awful fbi warnings on dvds...) 03:35:14 ? 03:35:43 nah, just eliminate the commercials, because people will pay to have VOD 03:36:22 ah. 03:36:40 people buy tivos, but that money doesn't go to the networks 03:37:11 subscription VOD has the advantage that it appears cheaper 03:37:19 cool - mozilla is adding built-in RSS support! 03:38:30 whoa, HBO on demand is patented 03:38:56 how'd you find that out? 03:39:45 interesting compensation model [google has with their programming contest]. "work for free, with the chance to win big!" 03:39:49 given how well the lottery does, this could be the next big thing in payroll strategy 03:42:28 whoa! they set the target milestone for the rss feature to mozilla1.0. so let me get this straight: they don't plan on having spell checking but you can read a slimmed-down version of slashdot? 03:42:43 typical mozilla 03:43:02 they should have frozen it months ago 03:45:06 Heh, i missed deltab's new topic. That's pretty funny. 03:48:20 got a link to the mozilla rss stuff anyway? 03:48:44 yeah, just commenting on the bug now 03:49:08 http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=66054 03:50:27 tansaku (~sam@mtl10gw.mtl.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp) has joined #swhack 03:50:54 tansaku tansaku tansaku 03:51:12 tansaku 03:52:06 if he keeps disconencting and reconnecting at this rate i'm gonna have to give him a dircproxy instance too. :) 03:52:33 the perl foundation has an interesting scam going: they give out grants, then start begging for the money to back them 03:53:04 how is this a scam? 03:53:26 the scam part is that they added backdoors in perl to automatically transfer the money to themselves 03:54:00 oh, pfft. they gave money to larry wall. 03:54:03 "The Hack the Planet foundation today announced that it has awarded a $1M grant to AaronSw. Now we just need to raise the money..." 03:54:22 oh, i thought they raised the money before they made the grants. 03:54:33 but still, isn't that the same as asking people to send money to me? 03:54:51 no, my whole point is that they don't have the money that they're claiming to give away 03:55:47 I don't see how that's a problem. The HTP Foundation gets press, AaronSw looks smart, and donors look altruistic 03:55:55 where's the problem? 03:56:09 the foundation looks really stupid if the money doesn't appear 03:56:22 Aha. 03:56:43 A side benefit is that if the money doesn't appear I can pester wes for favors. 03:57:28 "Wes, can I borrow your car?" "No." "But you owe me a million dollars." "Oh fine... no wait -- no." 03:57:38 lol 03:58:24 see, the Hack the Planet Foundation is completely unrelated to the Hack the Planet weblog. I don't even know those guys 03:58:51 Riiight, yet for some unknown reason they send money to the people who read your site. 03:59:23 nah, just world-famous swhaxors 03:59:50 "The Hack The Planet Foundation announced 1 million dollar grants to: Wesley Felter, Robb Beal, Wes Felter, David McCusker, W. Felter, Aaron Swartz, Mr. Felter, Paul Snively, Michael Felter..." 04:00:21