IRC log of swhack on 2002-02-06

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00:03:45 [sbp]

oh, neat!

00:03:50 [sbp]

.google Homer purple donut

00:03:51 [xena]

Homer purple donut: http://infomesh.net/sbp/?TheSimpsons

00:03:55 [sbp]

I thank you!

00:04:57 [sbp]

and I'm third for "Homer Simpson - The Beer Baron"

00:05:50 [sbp]

.google "Homer J. Simpson" Beer Baron; Banner

00:05:51 [xena]

"Homer J. Simpson" Beer Baron; Banner: http://infomesh.net/sbp/?TheSimpsons

00:06:49 [sbp]

kick-ass: for "The Simpsons, Homer, Mr. X" I'm second only to the official Fox site

00:10:19 [sbp]

WFM! For "Homer Quote" (no quotes), I'm in the top ten. I only link to the site once... what's up with that? [not that I'm complaining]

00:11:51 [sbp]

hooray!

00:11:53 [sbp]

.google Simpsons Beer Baron

00:11:54 [xena]

Simpsons Beer Baron: http://infomesh.net/sbp/?TheSimpsons

00:12:33 [sbp]

wow... if I start linking to it, it'll be the top of every search possible on Google

00:13:38 [Morbus]

sbp:

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00:13:46 [Morbus]

the cvs line is $Revision$ right?

00:14:48 [sbp]

blargh to you, sir

00:15:21 [sbp]

$Id$, $Date$, $Revision$

00:15:50 [sbp]

some people do "$Revision$ of $Date$"

00:16:02 [Morbus]

mmhmm.

00:26:30 [sbp]

wow, I just found out some more cool stuff about HTML

00:27:38 [GlobalNotice]

All mIRC users should upgrade to mIRC 6.0 at once (apologies to non-mIRC users). This is available from http://www.mirc.co.uk. A serious vulnerability has been discovered in all versions of mIRC up to version 5.91 which could allow malicious users to gain unauthorized access to your system - it is particularly serious for those using IE as their browser.

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01:12:36 [sbp]

heh!

01:12:37 [sbp]

[[[

01:12:38 [sbp]

<message id="<23177A@erik.naggum.no>" date="2916849807">

01:12:38 [sbp]

Newsgroups: comp.text.sgml

01:12:38 [sbp]

Date: 06 Jun 1992 20:03:27 UT

01:12:38 [sbp]

From: Erik Naggum \<erik@naggum.no> [...]

01:12:39 [sbp]

References: <1992Jun5.205639.21823@news.eng.convex.com>

01:12:41 [sbp]

Subject: Re: using NOTATIONs inline

01:12:43 [sbp]

Dan Connolly \<connolly@convex.com> writes:

01:12:45 [sbp]

|

01:12:47 [sbp]

| The WWW group is attempting to define a multimedia interchange

01:12:49 [sbp]

| format called HTML. . . .

01:12:51 [sbp]

Why not use HyTime?

01:12:53 [sbp]

]]]

01:13:41 [sbp]

ooh, interesting (and from the same author/message)

01:13:42 [sbp]

[[[

01:13:43 [sbp]

Blessed and blessed. The SGML declaration is supposed to reflect the

01:13:43 [sbp]

reality of the document, not enforce arbitrary limits on them. So you

01:13:43 [sbp]

write an SGML declaration which fits the document.

01:13:44 [sbp]

]]]

01:14:18 [sbp]

wonder what he's up to now?

01:14:20 [sbp]

.google "Erik Naggum"

01:14:22 [xena]

"Erik Naggum": http://www.naggum.no

01:15:34 [sbp]

"dunno" is the answer - and for the record...

01:15:39 [sbp]

.http://www.naggum.no/

01:15:40 [xena]

error: [Errno socket error] (111, 'Connection refused')

01:15:44 [Morbus]

heh. there are 59 configuration variables in amphetadesk.

01:15:55 [Morbus]

63 if you count deprecated.

01:16:01 [sbp]

59?!

01:16:42 [Morbus]

heh, heh.

01:16:45 [Morbus]

yeah :)

01:17:31 [sbp]

set port... name of creator (Morbus), name of deeley (Amphetadesk)... set port... er... there's the port...

01:17:45 [sbp]

oh, name of the creator (Morbus)

01:17:52 [Morbus]

that's in there ;)

01:17:54 [sbp]

er... and the port

01:17:55 [Morbus]

app_contact

01:17:59 [sbp]

heh! neat

01:18:08 [Morbus]

the port is determined by the webserver, since it tries to pick three of them.

01:18:11 [sbp]

is the new code being actively CVS'd?

01:18:25 [Morbus]

nope. your stupid proxy something or other just denied by DCC send.

01:18:36 [sbp]

woo! it sucks

01:18:42 [Morbus]

CTCP DCC reply from sbp: REJECT SEND "Settings.pm" (dircproxy: unable to proxy)

01:18:45 [sbp]

Hmm... DCC Send from Morbus rejected (Settings.pm, file type ignored)

01:18:50 [Morbus]

huh?

01:18:51 [Morbus]

pfff.

01:18:52 [sbp]

hang on a sec

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01:20:47 [sbp]

there: try sending it to the other me

01:21:06 [SeanP]

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01:21:10 [Morbus]

lol

01:21:16 [SeanP]

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01:21:18 [Morbus]

i hacked j00 bitch

01:21:21 [SeanP]

that's better

01:21:33 [sbp]

Pff

01:21:42 [Morbus]

connecting...

01:21:46 [sbp]

argh, it did it again

01:21:47 [Morbus]

* Morbus twiddles fingrs.

01:21:49 [sbp]

lemme fix it

01:23:27 [SeanP]

try again couldya?

01:24:18 [Morbus]

yup

01:24:46 [SeanP]

argh, damnit

01:26:11 [sbp]

O.K., I think I've fixed it this time

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01:26:41 [kralor]

hi

01:26:58 [Morbus]

mornign

01:27:16 [Morbus]

ever seen the movie "waking ned devine"?

01:27:21 [Morbus]

there are naked old men in there.

01:27:45 [sbp]

hooray!

01:27:47 [AaronSw]

lo

01:27:56 [Morbus]

did it finally go?

01:28:02 [sbp]

er... at the file transferring. yes.

01:28:08 [sbp]

not at the naked men... :-)

01:28:12 [Morbus]

odd. here, it still says its sending

01:28:16 [sbp]

naked old men, indeed

01:28:28 [sbp]

"Connection failed"

01:28:32 [sbp]

it *was* sending

01:28:56 [AaronSw]

Morbus, you know you'd get more help if you ported it to Python. ;-)

01:29:03 [Morbus]

yeah, shuddup ;)

01:29:03 [SeanP]

"Transfer complete"

01:29:40 [sbp]

did you tar it, or something?

01:29:49 [Morbus]

no, uh, it should be a regular text file.

01:29:57 [Morbus]

goddamit, did this fucking thin... sigh.

01:29:58 [Morbus]

hold on.

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01:30:27 [Morbus]

stupid snak sends by macbinary by default

01:31:42 [sbp]

yep, that's what the extra bytes must be

01:31:46 [sbp]

anyway... oh wow, you weren't kidding - that's a lot of settings

01:31:51 [Morbus]

:)

01:32:08 [sbp]

your comments are quite wonderful too - do you know how much faster your code would be if you got rid of them? :-)

01:32:14 [Morbus]

lol.

01:32:17 [Morbus]

uh huh. sure ;)

01:32:30 [Morbus]

i've been "known" for my comments ;)

01:32:58 [sbp]

indeed

01:33:44 [sbp]

heh: the set_setting version number is... er... interesting

01:33:54 [Morbus]

* Morbus whistles nonchalantly

01:34:09 [Morbus]

oh hey, its also a syntax error.

01:34:09 [Morbus]

thanks!

01:34:10 [Morbus]

<g>

01:34:32 [sbp]

ooh, you're right. You forgot the "

01:34:36 [Morbus]

yup

01:34:45 [sbp]

sbp: debugging code without realising it

01:34:57 [AaronSw]

did you get the mirc warning, sbp?

01:35:03 [sbp]

I'm using 6.0

01:35:19 [sbp]

[i.e. yep, thanks!]

01:35:26 [sbp]

I found out through BBC news

01:36:10 [sbp]

scary stuff. It almost made me want to change IRC programs - but I'm too used to mIRC's quirks now

01:37:14 [Morbus]

whoo hoo!

01:37:16 [Morbus]

perl -MAmphetaDesk::Settings -e 'dump_my_settings'

01:37:18 [Morbus]

that works now.

01:37:35 [Morbus]

such a minor victory that means little.

01:37:37 [Morbus]

* Morbus dances!

01:42:14 [sbp]

@ http://www.half-empty.org/ideas/dc/27/f3/f5/da/default_index.html

01:43:32 [sbp]

where'd chumpster go?

01:43:43 [Morbus]

he logged out with deltab

01:43:52 [Morbus]

deltab came back. poor chumpster didn;t.

01:43:55 [Morbus]

* Morbus whistles

01:44:01 [AaronSw]

so demanding

01:44:10 [sbp]

I want chumpster!

01:44:17 [AaronSw]

fine, fine...

01:44:26 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw looks up the magic spell

01:44:36 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw whistles

01:44:37 [Morbus]

come on harry potter!

01:44:39 [AaronSw]

here boy!

01:44:42 [AaronSw]

here boy!

01:44:50 [Morbus]

potter sucks!

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01:44:51 [Morbus]

down with potter!

01:44:57 [Morbus]

uh. potter rules!

01:45:00 [Morbus]

that was sbp!

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01:46:23 [AaronSw]

hey wmf!

01:46:33 [Morbus]

oh. it's wmf. sigh.

01:46:34 [Morbus]

<g>

01:46:41 [wmf]

hello AaronSw

01:46:46 [wmf]

Morbus: :-P

01:46:52 [Morbus]

heh. how are ya?

01:47:06 [wmf]

fine

01:47:16 [wmf]

I've been reading some obfuscated VHDL code

01:48:22 [sbp]

@ http://www.half-empty.org/ideas/dc/27/f3/f5/da/default_index.html

01:48:23 [chumpster]

A: http://www.half-empty.org/ideas/dc/27/f3/f5/da/default_index.html from sbp

01:48:34 [AaronSw]

I don't know what VHDL is, but it sounds like something that's obfuscated by nature.

01:48:45 [sbp]

A:|Why is everyone talking about XML?

01:48:46 [chumpster]

titled item A

01:49:20 [AaronSw]

.acronym vhdl

01:49:21 [xena]

vhdl: VHSIC Hardware Description Language, Very High-level Design Language

01:49:30 [AaronSw]

Very Hacky Definition Language

01:49:41 [wmf]

VHDL is used to design chips

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01:50:40 [AaronSw]

I figured.

01:51:22 [AaronSw]

I bet Intel has corporate obfuscated VHDL contests...

01:51:32 [AaronSw]

"How big and hot can you make a Pentium?"

01:51:37 [wmf]

heh

01:52:07 [wmf]

I don't think this code is deliberately obfuscated, but I think it was generated with some kind of RAD tool

01:53:00 [AaronSw]

A::This poor fellow... "[XML is] like Java for data, One Common Standard. And 'extras' like XSLT are even cooler, like regexp's taken to the next level."

01:53:02 [chumpster]

commented item A

01:53:32 [AaronSw]

Hmm, perhaps he has some hope. He goes on to say:

01:53:35 [AaronSw]

"I had a little thought while hacking away on an XSLT template recently, I recalled a book by Vernor Vinge in which all the computer systems of the future have their O/S's layered upon earlier O/S's and they are so complex nobody can acutally understand them. I thought, I wonder if someone left a little XSLT template easter egg somewhere down in the depths, what might it do."

01:53:59 [wmf]

dissembler...

01:54:23 [AaronSw]

Yeah, yeah -- I'll read it as soon as I can get a copy, OK?

01:54:44 [AaronSw]

A::vok: "Yeah, I'm pretty sure XML stands for X-treme Markup Language ;) This makes it cool with the kids." What's next? The XML-Games on ESPN3?

01:54:46 [chumpster]

commented item A

01:55:59 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw goes back to studying "The Rules of the Road"

01:56:55 [AaronSw]

I get my permit Thursday, mwahaha!

01:57:08 [wmf]

watch out world!

02:00:53 [sbp]

the sidewalks will no longer be safe. Walk on the roads, people!

02:03:11 [wmf]

is he getting a Segway?

02:04:12 [AaronSw]

Heh, heh

02:04:26 [AaronSw]

Too cold out for that

02:08:36 [GabeW]

back up to the 60's here

02:10:16 [Morbus]

* Morbus gets frustrated.

02:11:58 [wmf]

"Now once Supernews engineers their servers to allow Harlan to cancel any posting he has a personal problem with, there's no reason why others can't also have this power. Universal Music Group will ask for the same thing, followed by all the RIAA. And so on and so forth."

02:16:56 [AaronSw]

Heh, this book defines antiques as vehicles > 25 years of age.

02:17:13 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw wonders how many people here are antiques.

02:17:33 [wmf]

* wmf is not a vehicle

02:17:52 [AaronSw]

I dunno how they define vehicles. You move rapidly.

02:17:58 [AaronSw]

That's good enough for me.

02:18:24 [AaronSw]

Who's Harlan?

02:18:37 [wmf]

a writer

02:18:53 [GabeW]

My daughter rides around on my neck and I'm over 25 -> I'm a antique

02:18:58 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw looks at slashdot...

02:21:41 [AaronSw]

Man, he sounds angry: "THE IDIOT SLOGAN ³INFORMATION MUST BE FREE.² A WRITER¹S WORK IS NOT INFORMATION: IT IS OUR CREATIVE PROPERTY, OUR LIVELIHOOD AND OUR FAMILIES¹ ANNUITY"

02:24:59 [AaronSw]

I wonder: if you encrypt someone's work and provide the decryption key, is it still "piracy"?

02:26:14 [wmf]

only pirates use such tricky language... we should lock you up before you cause any real trouble

02:27:02 [Morbus]

i second that.

02:27:06 [Morbus]

lock him up before he gets his permit.

02:27:12 [AaronSw]

Hey! Your friend at the EFF was advocating encryption to get around piracy prevention -- but they didn't lock him up.

02:27:30 [AaronSw]

GabeW, do you know?

02:27:45 [wmf]

the EFF has media connections, can't lock them up

02:27:57 [AaronSw]

I have EFF connections, can't lock me up

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02:34:25 [AaronSw]

tsk, tsk, DanC is confusing soundness and validity

02:34:53 [wmf]

you'll just have to give him a sound swhack on the head

02:35:07 [wmf]

(or is it a valid swhack on the head...)

02:35:37 [Morbus]

i hate modules.

02:35:38 [AaronSw]

Heh. Last time you linked to my bit about what a swhack his, whump joined the channel, so there was lots of swhacking and whumping going on.

02:35:53 [wmf]

heh

02:36:49 [wmf]

http://www.userland.com/mostReadSitesYesterday

02:37:47 [AaronSw]

I'm starting to wonder if Joel getting his own server was due to subtle nudges from userLand.

02:37:49 [wmf]

themes is 404

02:38:03 [wmf]

Joel probably wanted to use CityDesk

02:38:13 [AaronSw]

But he bought a Manila server.

02:38:37 [wmf]

I would too if I was competing with Manila

02:39:06 [AaronSw]

I wonder what MattyG thinks.

02:41:03 [AaronSw]

Dave is shuddering to think at the linkrot?!

02:41:25 [AaronSw]

oh, i take it back discuss.userland.com is back on

02:46:23 [GabeW]

i say my name

02:46:41 [AaronSw]

<AaronSw> I wonder: if you encrypt someone's work and provide the decryption key, is it still "piracy"?

02:46:58 [AaronSw]

you're the nearest lawyer-type

02:47:02 [GabeW]

thanks, I guess

02:47:04 [GabeW]

;-

02:47:07 [GabeW]

;-)

02:47:25 [GabeW]

techncally,I think encrypting it without permission would infringe a copyright

02:47:43 [AaronSw]

Hmm, really?

02:47:51 [GabeW]

hehe it depends !

02:48:04 [GabeW]

how did you get the material?

02:48:14 [GabeW]

i'm missing context

02:48:20 [AaronSw]

Let's say I bought somebody's audio CD

02:49:19 [AaronSw]

Are you saying I can't rip it to an encrypted hard disk partition?

02:49:34 [GabeW]

well, there is the Audio Home Recording Act

02:49:48 [GabeW]

(i forget if thats the exact name)

02:49:53 [AaronSw]

That sounds right.

02:50:02 [GabeW]

it carves out exceptions for this sort of thing "at home"

02:50:13 [GabeW]

I imagine(though I don't know) that it would cover such a use.. but maybe not..

02:50:43 [GabeW]

that could be 'using' 'copying' or 'preparing a derivative work'

02:50:56 [GabeW]

each of which is a right under copyright which the copyright holder owns

02:51:15 [GabeW]

now, keep on going with your scenario

02:51:15 [AaronSw]

well the home recording act seems to protect copying

02:51:43 [AaronSw]

Yeah, so I put it onto my encrypted hard disk partition, and then stick the encrypted bits on my website along with the decryption key.

02:51:53 [AaronSw]

And publicize the address.

02:52:05 [GabeW]

your encrypted hard disk partition is publicly available?

02:52:12 [GabeW]

oh

02:52:14 [GabeW]

sorry

02:52:31 [GabeW]

i think the big problem is "sticking the bits on your website"

02:52:35 [GabeW]

even if encrypted

02:52:36 [GabeW]

its publishing

02:52:42 [GabeW]

which is another right

02:53:06 [AaronSw]

But I'm not publishing his work. I'm publishing this random set of bits!

02:53:08 [GabeW]

you'll have to try harder to hack copyright

02:53:15 [AaronSw]

Hmmph.

02:53:35 [wmf]

the encrypted version is clearly a derivatibe work

02:53:43 [AaronSw]

What if I can provide two decryption keys -- one creates deadbeefdeadbeef... and one creates the song?

02:54:02 [GabeW]

you could restate this as "I published a derivative work which is usable by applying a key to it"... which is no different than saying "I'm pubilshing a book on a cdrom which is readable using the ISO9660 and HTML formats"

02:54:03 [wmf]

then you're having fun

02:54:17 [GabeW]

AaronSw: thats not a new idea ;-)

02:54:29 [GabeW]

then it becomes an issue of proof -

02:54:33 [GabeW]

evidence

02:55:01 [wmf]

the freehaven folks are talking about that

02:55:06 [AaronSw]

My dad found an awesome copyright loophole, though. States can violate copyright law according to the supreme court.

02:55:27 [GabeW]

well, there is a provision somewhere about state copyright infringement

02:55:29 [GabeW]

i forget where

02:55:31 [AaronSw]

So you just put the content on a server at a state university.

02:55:43 [GabeW]

oh, but you're still liable

02:55:49 [Morbus]

welp, i've accomplish absolutley nothing tonight.

02:55:51 [Morbus]

great fun.

02:56:00 [AaronSw]

[cough] python

02:56:19 [Morbus]

AaronSw, i'm starting to think you have a manhood complex.

02:56:22 [Morbus]

shut the hell up! <g>

02:56:26 [AaronSw]

Heh, heh

02:56:43 [GabeW]

there was some recent decision about states and copyright involving some state university - but thats all I can recall

02:57:02 [GabeW]

and I don't know if this was a copyright decision or something else ...

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03:01:03 [AaronSw]

TiVo is spying! http://www.siliconvalley.com/docs/news/svfront/tivo020502.htm

03:01:30 [wmf]

old news

03:01:57 [AaronSw]

sorry - i'm not mr. super-weblog-reader

03:02:42 [GabeW]

i'm off to be Family Man

03:02:44 [GabeW]

see ya

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03:03:10 [wmf]

all the appliance companies have sleazy business models

03:03:33 [GabeW]

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03:08:11 [AaronSw]

tav isn't doing so well with his IRC vacation:

03:08:13 [AaronSw]

"i succumbed and loaded radio."

03:09:17 [AaronSw]

Heh, it's pretty obvious what Mark Bernstein is referring to: "A Google search led me to the download page for a popular internet utility today, and I was astonished by the quantity of whining, contemptuous, and bitter user comments."

03:10:14 [wmf]

er, I don't get it

03:10:44 [AaronSw]

It seems like he's talk about Radio.

03:10:52 [AaronSw]

since he'll be releasing a competitor any day now

03:11:11 [wmf]

.google Mark Bernstein

03:11:11 [xena]

Mark Bernstein: http://www.markbernstein.org

03:11:17 [wmf]

obvious

03:11:42 [AaronSw]

Would it be worthwhile for me to write up something on why weblogs and wiki's don't have flamewars?

03:12:09 [wmf]

I think weblogs do have flamewars

03:12:20 [AaronSw]

well, less severe flamewars

03:12:39 [wmf]

Radio doesn't cost $45

03:12:39 [sbp]

perhaps that's what the public wants

03:12:53 [sbp]

we could set up a great HTP vs. Swhack flamewar

03:12:55 [AaronSw]

how much does radio cost? $49?

03:13:10 [wmf]

$39 IIRC

03:13:18 [AaronSw]

<wmf> C::Wesley Felter is a no good cheating idiot stupidhead!

03:13:46 [sbp]

"Radio UserLand 8.0 is $39.95" - http://radio.userland.com/

03:13:52 [sbp]

wmf wins

03:14:32 [wmf]

anyway, my theory on flamage is that there's no common space, so it's easy to tune out the flamers

03:14:59 [AaronSw]

Yeah, pretty much. a) you don't have to go back to their site and b) you tend to write for a more general audience

03:16:12 [AaronSw]

Apple: "Enter the Apple Design Awards" Ohhhh, I want to.

03:23:25 [wmf]

looks like Jim Roepcke is going back to Canada

03:23:52 [deltab]

025644Z <AaronSw:#swhack> My dad found an awesome copyright loophole, though. States can violate copyright law according to the supreme court.

03:23:58 [deltab]

itym "can't"

03:24:10 [AaronSw]

.acronym itym

03:24:11 [xena]

itym: I Think You Mean, I Thought You Meant

03:24:29 [AaronSw]

Hmm.

03:24:52 [AaronSw]

I could go either way on that. Maybe ignore would be a better choice of word than 'violate'.

03:24:56 [wmf]

states cannot violate copyright law, because it does not apply to them

03:25:10 [wmf]

or states can violate copyright law and not get busted

03:25:25 [AaronSw]

right

03:25:45 [deltab]

they wouldn't be violating it, legally

03:25:56 [deltab]

morally, *perhaps*

03:26:06 [wmf]

anyway, we know what he *meant*

03:26:38 [AaronSw]

wmf has a low tolerance for deltab's detailism

03:26:42 [deltab]

yes, so I said

03:27:55 [wmf]

the VHDL is getting to me

03:29:21 [AaronSw]

Heh, they named him Xavier after all

03:29:45 [deltab]

deltab has changed the topic to: *

03:29:52 [deltab]

aargh

03:30:13 [deltab]

* deltab hits the /topic command with a stick

03:30:24 [wmf]

my parents weren't sure whether to name me Wesley Michael or Michael Wesley

03:30:46 [AaronSw]

I dunno, Mike Felter doesn't have the same ring to it.

03:31:00 [wmf]

Mike Felter is my uncle

03:31:25 [AaronSw]

"Some telemarketer called me today to give me two months of HBO-on-demand for free. I'll let you know how it goes." - sounds like television slamming

03:32:29 [wmf]

yeah, I have to remember to cancel it

03:32:35 [wmf]

* wmf makes a calendar entry

03:34:33 [wmf]

have I mentioned that VOD is a convenient way for the networks to get rid of their PVR problem?

03:35:10 [deltab]

deltab has changed the topic to: Missing: topic. Last seen 03:31Z. Answers to the name chptr->topic.

03:35:11 [AaronSw]

Eliminate FF or block it during commercials (like those awful fbi warnings on dvds...)

03:35:14 [AaronSw]

?

03:35:43 [wmf]

nah, just eliminate the commercials, because people will pay to have VOD

03:36:22 [AaronSw]

ah.

03:36:40 [wmf]

people buy tivos, but that money doesn't go to the networks

03:37:11 [wmf]

subscription VOD has the advantage that it appears cheaper

03:37:19 [AaronSw]

cool - mozilla is adding built-in RSS support!

03:38:30 [wmf]

whoa, HBO on demand is patented

03:38:56 [AaronSw]

how'd you find that out?

03:39:45 [AaronSw]

<cherubwrk> interesting compensation model [google has with their programming contest]. "work for free, with the chance to win big!"

03:39:49 [AaronSw]

<cherubwrk> given how well the lottery does, this could be the next big thing in payroll strategy

03:42:28 [AaronSw]

whoa! they set the target milestone for the rss feature to mozilla1.0. so let me get this straight: they don't plan on having spell checking but you can read a slimmed-down version of slashdot?

03:42:43 [wmf]

typical mozilla

03:43:02 [wmf]

they should have frozen it months ago

03:45:06 [AaronSw]

Heh, i missed deltab's new topic. That's pretty funny.

03:48:20 [wmf]

got a link to the mozilla rss stuff anyway?

03:48:44 [AaronSw]

yeah, just commenting on the bug now

03:49:08 [AaronSw]

http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=66054

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03:50:54 [wmf]

tansaku tansaku tansaku

03:51:12 [AaronSw]

tansaku

03:52:06 [AaronSw]

if he keeps disconencting and reconnecting at this rate i'm gonna have to give him a dircproxy instance too. :)

03:52:33 [wmf]

the perl foundation has an interesting scam going: they give out grants, then start begging for the money to back them

03:53:04 [AaronSw]

how is this a scam?

03:53:26 [AaronSw]

the scam part is that they added backdoors in perl to automatically transfer the money to themselves

03:54:00 [AaronSw]

oh, pfft. they gave money to larry wall.

03:54:03 [wmf]

"The Hack the Planet foundation today announced that it has awarded a $1M grant to AaronSw. Now we just need to raise the money..."

03:54:22 [AaronSw]

oh, i thought they raised the money before they made the grants.

03:54:33 [AaronSw]

but still, isn't that the same as asking people to send money to me?

03:54:51 [wmf]

no, my whole point is that they don't have the money that they're claiming to give away

03:55:47 [AaronSw]

I don't see how that's a problem. The HTP Foundation gets press, AaronSw looks smart, and donors look altruistic

03:55:55 [AaronSw]

where's the problem?

03:56:09 [wmf]

the foundation looks really stupid if the money doesn't appear

03:56:22 [AaronSw]

Aha.

03:56:43 [AaronSw]

A side benefit is that if the money doesn't appear I can pester wes for favors.

03:57:28 [AaronSw]

"Wes, can I borrow your car?" "No." "But you owe me a million dollars." "Oh fine... no wait -- no."

03:57:38 [wmf]

lol

03:58:24 [wmf]

see, the Hack the Planet Foundation is completely unrelated to the Hack the Planet weblog. I don't even know those guys

03:58:51 [AaronSw]

Riiight, yet for some unknown reason they send money to the people who read your site.

03:59:23 [wmf]

nah, just world-famous swhaxors

03:59:50 [AaronSw]

"The Hack The Planet Foundation announced 1 million dollar grants to: Wesley Felter, Robb Beal, Wes Felter, David McCusker, W. Felter, Aaron Swartz, Mr. Felter, Paul Snively, Michael Felter..."

04:00:21 [AaronSw]

heh, we can call you W. Michael Felter

04:00:34 [wmf]

hmm, looks like $4M for me then

04:03:39 [AaronSw]

Hmm, Robb hasn't been posting lately. Getting a job at a shareware company must be taxing.

04:04:43 [wmf]

one thing the cable companies need to do is get faster CPUs in these boxes

04:09:03 [AaronSw]

heh, there's an article debunking the Mystery Spot in the July 2000 issue of "muse". Looks like my hunch was right.

04:09:15 [wmf]

?

04:09:38 [AaronSw]

.google santa cruz mystery spot

04:09:39 [xena]

santa cruz mystery spot: http://www.mystery-spot.com/&e=42

04:10:18 [AaronSw]

"muse® from the publishers of cricket® and smithsonian magazine"

04:13:48 [AaronSw]

it's a fun place. people change height, balls roll uphill and strange forces of gravity pull you on an angle.

04:14:39 [wmf]

the photos look like optical illusions

04:16:19 [AaronSw]

yep

04:18:18 [AaronSw]

ugh. dave invented a new URI scheme.

04:19:07 [wmf]

yep, so he did

04:20:29 [AaronSw]

Hmm, he added special syntax to the language to do RPC calls.

04:20:37 [wmf]

yeah

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--

14:54:35 [AaronSw]

Simon St.Laurent

14:54:35 [AaronSw]

Ring around the content, a pocket full of brackets

14:54:35 [AaronSw]

Errors, errors, all fall down!

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--

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16:41:27 [sbp]

* sbp waves

16:45:28 [sbp]

heh!

16:45:29 [sbp]

[[[

16:45:29 [sbp]

> - sighting of a triple

16:45:30 [sbp]

I love this one. Like bigfoot or the Loch Ness monster...

16:45:31 [sbp]

Unofficial sources report a sighting of the <Elvis> <is> <alive>

16:45:31 [sbp]

triple on a web server in downtown Buenos Aires...

16:45:44 [sbp]

]]] - mid:B886B15D.D560%patrick.stickler@nokia.com

16:52:37 [sbp]

ooh, good bit from Larry:-

16:52:37 [sbp]

[[[

16:52:38 [sbp]

Just as with natural languages, there are strings of

16:52:38 [sbp]

characters that have different meanings depending on

16:52:38 [sbp]

the conext of use. "xmlns=" and "href=" are very

16:52:38 [sbp]

different contexts; it would help to be clearer about

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that.

16:52:53 [sbp]

]]] - mid:000001c1af2c$501c5360$0b78bfd1@larrypad

18:29:28 [sbp]

Hmm... for SHA160, there's a 50% chance of a hash collision if you have a billion billion files

18:29:28 [sbp]

correction: a million billion billion

18:32:21 [Morbus]

besides MD5, are there any other "normal" common ways of creating a unique hash?

18:32:33 [sbp]

"""It is widely believed in the cryptographic community that SHA-1 is a collision-resistant, one-way function. Indeed, no cryptanalyst has yet announced the discovery of a collision in SHA-1.""" - http://www.certicom.com/resources/news/news_101200.html

18:32:36 [sbp]

yeah: SHA-1

18:32:42 [Morbus]

i need to uniquely identify feed items in rSS, and was gonna do title+description+link and then md5 it.

18:33:12 [sbp]

you may as well MD5 it, if you're not looking for massive amounts of security. MD5 is pretty unbreakable on a small scale

18:33:16 [sbp]

SHA-1 for medium scale

18:33:24 [Morbus]

nah, no security at all.

18:33:25 [sbp]

and of course, the Plex uses a slightly larger hash...

18:33:52 [Morbus]

they're gonna be md5'd into different DBs.

18:33:58 [Morbus]

and its public info anyways.

18:35:31 [sbp]

heh, the Plex uses hashes that the equivalent of a 15360 bit long RSA key

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18:38:53 [sbp]

heh! http://www.secure-hash-algorithm-md5-sha-1.co.uk/calc.htm

18:39:08 [sbp]

Why pay $89 when I can do it for free using Python?

18:40:27 [Morbus]

pfff.

18:40:41 [Morbus]

thats funny shit.

18:44:11 [sbp]

even funnier: http://www.cyphercalc.com/sha1tool.htm

18:44:37 [sbp]

it's $349 AFAICT. That's bizzare. It'd take me about a day to create a similar GUI in Python - if that

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18:46:35 [Morbus]

Cygbot!

18:46:49 [Morbus]

.sha1 i love cygbot!

18:46:53 [sbp]

$ python -c "import sha; print sha.new('blargh').hexdigest()"

18:46:59 [CygBot]

> d1e670385f40ee942a059f949c761214872ac35f

18:46:59 [CygBot]

> [end]

18:47:03 [Morbus]

yay for sigbot

18:47:08 [sbp]

$ python -c "import sha; print sha.new('i love cygbot!').hexdigest()"

18:47:09 [AaronSw]

Heh, heh.

18:47:11 [CygBot]

> 6db5430210ffd0a22cd9be56a0703f6505e2bb7d

18:47:11 [CygBot]

> [end]

18:47:21 [sbp]

heh, sigbot...

18:47:46 [AaronSw]

keep him on a sec -- i want to try something...

18:47:50 [sbp]

O.K.

18:47:58 [sbp]

although it might be a her

18:48:06 [AaronSw]

hmm, good point

18:48:09 [Morbus]

$ python -c "print 'i love python'"

18:48:14 [CygBot]

> i love python

18:48:15 [CygBot]

> [end]

18:48:17 [Morbus]

yay!

18:48:20 [Morbus]

i know python!

18:48:21 [Morbus]

<g>

18:48:24 [sbp]

:-)

18:48:31 [AaronSw]

$ ls | mail me@aaronsw.com

18:48:38 [CygBot]

Command "ls | mail me@aaronsw.com" has been disabled

18:48:40 [Morbus]

lol

18:48:42 [AaronSw]

pff

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18:48:48 [AaronSw]

AaronSw is now known as sbp

18:48:53 [sbp]

$ ls | mail me@aaronsw.com

18:49:01 [sbp]

$ ls

18:49:09 [sbp]

urgh

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18:49:22 [SeanP]

WTF happened there?

18:49:22 [sbp]

$ ls

18:49:26 [sbp]

sbp is now known as AaronSw

18:49:28 [Morbus]

heh, heh.

18:49:29 [SeanP]

ooh, you little git

18:49:32 [CygBot]

Command "ls | mail me@aaronsw.com" has been disabled

18:49:33 [CygBot]

Command "ls" has been disabled

18:49:33 [CygBot]

Command "ls" has been disabled

18:49:43 [Morbus]

$ pwd

18:49:50 [CygBot]

> /home

18:49:51 [CygBot]

> [end]

18:49:56 [SeanP]

Gotta run

18:50:04 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw gets dirc running again...

18:50:07 [Morbus]

$ pwd locate CygBot

18:50:10 [Morbus]

$ locate CygBot

18:50:32 [Morbus]

$ locate etc

18:51:13 [AaronSw]

ok, just had to do some rearranging of dirc there...

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18:52:15 [AaronSw]

ok, now it's back up, sbp

18:52:21 [sbp]

thanks

18:52:33 [AaronSw]

I moved it into daemontools for you so that it will restart if it crashes.

18:52:37 [Morbus]

$ locate etc

18:52:48 [Morbus]

CygBot....!

18:52:49 [sbp]

CygBot isn't on

18:52:51 [Morbus]

* Morbus grumbles

18:53:02 [sbp]

it's just the GHOST - I had to go offline to order a pizza

18:53:11 [Morbus]

jeez.

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18:53:23 [Morbus]

you know, maybe you should disconnect first, instead of wasting all the bandwidth from pinging.

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18:53:36 [Morbus]

you are a waste of resources, you know.

18:53:41 [AaronSw]

Maybe you should stop ordering pizzas.

18:53:43 [AaronSw]

;-)

18:53:52 [Morbus]

heh, chubby boy!

18:53:59 [Morbus]

* Morbus pokes sbp's tummy.

18:54:14 [sbp]

stop ordering pizzas? Pff

18:54:14 [Morbus]

* Morbus dreams of sbp going 'tee hee' like the Dough Boy

18:54:16 [sbp]

heh, heh

18:54:31 [sbp]

Poppin Fresh!

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18:54:57 [Morbus]

$ locate etc

18:55:01 [CygBot]

> locate: /usr/var/locatedb: No such file or directory

18:55:02 [CygBot]

> [end]

18:55:20 [AaronSw]

$ updatedb

18:55:24 [Morbus]

heh, heh.

18:55:28 [CygBot]

Command "updatedb" has been disabled

18:55:34 [Morbus]

awww.

18:55:35 [AaronSw]

Hmmph.

18:55:43 [sbp]

* sbp thinks about automatically disabling commands from AaronSw :-)

18:55:49 [Morbus]

$ grep -wn "a" *

18:55:51 [AaronSw]

what's wrong with that?

18:56:03 [CygBot]

Command "grep -wn "a" *" has been disabled

18:56:38 [Morbus]

$ alias morbohacko='ls -al';

18:56:43 [Morbus]

$ morbohacko

18:56:54 [AaronSw]

Heh, heh

18:56:58 [Morbus]

:)

18:59:26 [Morbus]

$ python -c "input('freeze me!')"

19:00:01 [Morbus]

$ pwd

19:00:05 [AaronSw]

it's raw_input, i think

19:00:17 [AaronSw]

oh, both will work i guess

19:00:56 [Morbus]

$ pwd

19:02:35 [Morbus]

$

19:02:35 [Morbus]

$ \n

19:02:42 [Morbus]

$ ^Z

19:02:48 [Morbus]

$ EOF

19:02:55 [Morbus]

$ pwd

19:03:12 [Morbus]

um.

19:03:18 [AaronSw]

This is sort of an odd claim: "RTF does not contain a method of writing data to a users filesystem, thus it is a safe method of transmitting files."

19:03:48 [Morbus]

RTF? rich text file?

19:03:49 [Morbus]

;)

19:04:06 [AaronSw]

yeah

19:04:13 [Morbus]

really?

19:04:18 [Morbus]

uh. ok, that is strange.

19:04:35 [Morbus]

i thought it was a piece of softaware.

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19:09:45 [deus_x]

I guess that claim is WRT Microsoft file formats which contain scripting?

19:10:30 [deus_x]

Since everyone knows "files" are Word docs.

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19:28:24 [AaronSw]

heh! http://www.startribune.com/stories/804/1402822.html

19:39:28 [AaronSw]

Hmm, Microsoft is asking some odd questions. I wonder if you can describe this with P3P: http://DailyBlah.com/2001_12_01_archive.html#7934129

19:49:12 [AaronSw]

Hmm, that link 404s...

19:49:29 [AaronSw]

Here's the text:

19:49:29 [AaronSw]

--

19:49:31 [AaronSw]

Today's hot news from the UK. Note that Newcastle is about ten miles from my hometown. And that I have never taken a taxi in Newcastle, nor am I sure I want to now.

19:49:34 [AaronSw]

LONDON, Dec 14 (Reuters) - One in four Britons has had

19:49:34 [AaronSw]

sex in the car park after the office Christmas party,

19:49:34 [AaronSw]

according to a survey released on Friday, which said

19:49:34 [AaronSw]

more than 80 percent of British people admitted to

19:49:35 [AaronSw]

enjoying saucy in-car activity.

19:49:37 [AaronSw]

Women in Cheshire, northwest England, have sex in cars

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most often, with 20 percent saying they do it once a

19:49:41 [AaronSw]

month or as often as possible, said the survey by MSN

19:49:43 [AaronSw]

Carview, the international network of automotive

19:49:45 [AaronSw]

websites on Microsoft¹s MSN portal.

19:49:47 [AaronSw]

Meanwhile, 22 percent of women in Newcastle upon Tyne,

19:49:49 [AaronSw]

northeast England, said they had had sex in the back

19:49:51 [AaronSw]

of a taxi, MSN Carview said in a statement.

19:49:53 [AaronSw]

posted by Chris Taylor 1:07 PM

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* sbp waves

20:49:38 [Morbus]

wb

20:54:03 [deus_x]

Hmm, this seems like a no-brainer: I want RSS feeds of my mailing list digests.

20:54:24 [AaronSw]

Yahoo Groups has that.

20:54:24 [Morbus]

yahoo does it.

20:55:12 [deus_x]

Hmm. Must get all my mailing lists to switch to Yahoo :)

20:55:32 [AaronSw]

there are also several ways to do it with pipermail/mailman

20:56:08 [deus_x]

Just realizing I'm subbed to many interesting lists that are filtered into folders I rarely read anymore, yet some how I manage to read metric tons of news in my aggregator.

20:56:31 [AaronSw]

Heh, I was noticing that today too.

20:57:02 [deus_x]

I suppose I could hack something with my mail filtering to produce personal mail RSS feeds.

20:57:52 [deus_x]

Seems doing it there would be easier than getting all my list owners to give it to me :)

20:58:57 [deus_x]

* deus_x ponders IMAP -> RSS

21:02:49 [sbp]

heh, heh: "GEE I am real slooowwwwww this morning." - some Eric person on www-html

21:07:22 [Morbus]

deus_x: what mail program you use?

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21:08:39 [jeremiah]

hello everyone

21:08:41 [Morbus]

hey j

21:08:45 [AaronSw]

J!

21:08:48 [jeremiah]

always a pleasure when your firewall gets cracked

21:09:01 [jeremiah]

especially when it was on november 19th

21:09:08 [jeremiah]

and you find out about it... two days ago

21:09:09 [Morbus]

ooo.

21:09:19 [jeremiah]

to be honest: I knew that machine was asking for it

21:09:28 [jeremiah]

and I had plans to do an overhaul for a long long time

21:09:34 [jeremiah]

and they didn't get any further into the network

21:09:38 [jeremiah]

so I am not too worried

21:10:14 [deus_x]

Morbus: RIght now, I'm using Mail.app in OS X. Sometimes I use Outlook Express, and sometimes Mozilla mail

21:10:28 [deus_x]

Depends on what computer I'm sitting at.

21:11:34 [jeremiah]

odd how long dns lookups are... I'm so used to having my caching server (whenever I go to a new site it has to do the preliminary lookup now)

21:19:25 [AaronSw]

LOL!

21:19:27 [AaronSw]

@ http://advogato.org/article/430.html

21:19:38 [chumpster]

B: http://advogato.org/article/430.html from AaronSw

21:19:47 [AaronSw]

B:|The Hacks of our Lives

21:19:50 [chumpster]

titled item B

21:19:51 [Morbus]

http://www.wnew.com/opack/Contests/2002/Nightie/Contestants/index_agreed.html

21:19:59 [AaronSw]

B::The Gnome/Mono Soap Opera

21:20:00 [chumpster]

commented item B

21:26:22 [AaronSw]

stevej: "I don't like the New New Economy. I've dubbed it 'Dude, Where's My Job?'."

21:27:58 [sbp]

heh, heh

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21:37:22 [BenSw|school]

hi

21:37:31 [AaronSw]

hi ben

21:37:32 [sbp]

Hi there Ben

21:38:10 [BenSw|school]

whats up?

21:38:26 [Morbus]

rowr!

21:38:28 [Morbus]

* Morbus winks.

21:41:01 [BenSw|school]

movie88 seems a little low

21:42:24 [Bensw|atschool]

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21:42:37 [AaronSw]

two of you?

21:42:38 [BenSw|school]

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21:42:39 [Bensw|atschool]

well it made me crash :~)

21:43:08 [Bensw|atschool]

no cgi irc is a little slow of getting rid of people so i need to make a new name

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21:47:43 [Bensw|atschool]

wb

21:55:19 [Bensw|atschool]

am i still connected?

21:55:29 [AaronSw]

yep

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21:55:30 [Morbus]

yup

21:55:39 [deus_x]

nope :)

21:56:02 [AaronSw]

ugh, why are apache vhost's so confusing?

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21:56:08 [Morbus]

AaronSw: what's up?

21:56:10 [AaronSw]

hi

21:56:32 [Bensw|atschool]

Heh, heh, heh that was sorta weird..

21:56:39 [AaronSw]

i just want it to server /www/ on one domain name and /www/foo/ on another.

21:56:51 [Morbus]

right. so just change the DocumentRoot.

21:56:57 [Morbus]

two vhost's, two diff DR's

21:57:11 [AaronSw]

right, but how do i specify the vhost?

21:57:15 [Morbus]

testing scretn capture,

21:57:18 [Morbus]

ignore this.

21:57:39 [deus_x]

* deus_x ignores that.

22:05:04 [AaronSw]

hmm, i take that back -- it wasn't so bad.

22:08:42 [deus_x]

You could have the sort of fun we're having, with this crazy proxy/rewrite/auto-vhost setup we have now.

22:08:42 [Bensw|atschool]

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22:10:40 [AaronSw]

well, i've got proxies, rewriting and vhosts, so i'm having fun.

22:10:42 [AaronSw]

.dns aaronsw.com

22:10:43 [xena]

aaronsw.com - 63.149.73.20

22:10:49 [AaronSw]

Wow, DNS is moving fast!

22:12:29 [deus_x]

Wheee!

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22:21:05 [AaronSw]

@ http://www.aaronsw.com/

22:21:07 [chumpster]

C: http://www.aaronsw.com/ from AaronSw

22:21:15 [AaronSw]

C:|Aaron Swartz: The Redesigned Website

22:21:16 [chumpster]

titled item C

22:21:36 [AaronSw]

C::All new, updated and enhanced! [May not be available in all areas due to DNS delays.]

22:21:38 [chumpster]

commented item C

22:21:58 [AaronSw]

C::Also includes my shiny new weblog!

22:21:59 [chumpster]

commented item C

22:23:00 [deus_x]

Hmm, looks like the MT colors :)

22:23:23 [AaronSw]

Heh. [cough]

22:23:33 [AaronSw]

I need to open up color picker sometime and fix things up a bit.

22:24:08 [deus_x]

I need to actually get my website act together

22:24:46 [AaronSw]

Morbus needs to get his ampheta act together -- i only got six days...

22:24:58 [deus_x]

Six days for...?

22:25:04 [AaronSw]

Until RU expires ;)

22:25:13 [deus_x]

Oh! heh, heh

22:25:44 [deus_x]

I was *almost* contemplating buying it, but I've got Ampheta and the things I'm toying with in Python.

22:26:29 [deus_x]

At some point I have to decide whether the DIY factor wins over the Just-Buy-It factor :)

22:27:51 [deus_x]

* deus_x oggles at PalmWiki and the successor MegaWiki 4.0

22:29:44 [AaronSw]

gotta run: driver's ed

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23:00:02 [deus_x]

Oh yeah, that's right. Radio doesn't do RSS 1.0, that's one of the reasons feels itchy

23:00:15 [sbp]

heh: "Uh huh. What have you done?"

23:00:53 [deus_x]

o/` My God, what have I done? o/`

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23:11:21 [Morbus]

hey AaronSw. hear you like MT. cool.

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23:28:40 [Morbus]

CygBot!

23:28:48 [Morbus]

$ python -c "print 'hello, morbus!'"

23:28:54 [CygBot]

> hello, morbus!

23:28:54 [CygBot]

> [end]

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23:29:07 [sbp]

sorry... wrong channel

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23:34:38 [Morbus]

AaronSw: they're running beta tests of MT 2.0. i signed up but haven't gotten the code yet.