00:00:19 In that case, the error message should be: "No settings file was found. The programmer was just ebing lazy." 00:00:25 heh. 00:01:14 thanks for that. 00:01:15 ebing away like the oceans 00:01:22 ebbing. 00:01:28 uh huh 00:01:56 or, it could be a mispelling for a Macintosh microwave timer: the iBing 00:02:04 GabeW (~gwachob@12-236-92-153.client.attbi.com) has joined #swhack 00:02:29 O.K., maybe not 00:03:56 hey GabeW 00:04:28 * AaronSw thinks more about weblog software 00:04:43 Hmph, good point - I was writing my own 00:04:51 Oh, you were? 00:04:57 Oh... blogster 00:05:09 I thought, instead of doing crappy permalinks, I could just hash the things, and let the Plex take over :-) 00:05:11 hey - retail america hates me 00:05:23 Ooh. 00:05:46 I've ordered 3 major things to be delivered and all of them have been delayed and/or screwed up in the last few weeks 00:06:15 so, in fact, you hate retail America 00:06:43 Let me guess: you ordered them online. 00:07:38 yep 00:07:53 stuff i couldn't get in stores 00:08:41 tansaku (~sam@n146-015.tokyu-net.catv.ne.jp) has joined #swhack 00:08:47 one of the few things I ordered online was a book, which incredibly got here in just a few days 00:09:02 I ordered a monitor (rather expensive one) last thursday, and Fedex has *lost* it. 00:09:18 from America. I wouldn't even have expected that speed if it were sent from the UK 00:09:31 cdw has no idea where it is, but they swear up down left and right that they handed it to Fedex 00:09:51 I paid $150 to get it delivered on Saturday (order placed Thursday) 00:10:22 I honestly think CDW screwed up if there is no fedex shipping number (which there isn't) 00:10:44 so far: alienwaresucks.com & cdwsucks.com ;-) 00:10:58 AaronSw: replaced my stupid code with a new "create file if doesn't exist" which fails with "Could not create the AmphetaDesk mySettings.xml file:" error. 00:11:20 Cool. 00:12:01 "Could not create the AmphetaDesk mySettings.xml file: reinstall your OS" 00:12:13 GabeW, that sucks. CDW's warehouse is a short drive from here, maybe I should pick it up for you :) 00:12:23 .whois cdwsucks.com 00:12:25 CDWSUCKS.COM registered to nobody expires on 27-Jan-2003 00:12:46 if it belongs to nobody, how are they going to re-register it? 00:12:59 Heh. s/nobody/Dave Walton/ 00:13:10 just a slight typo there, eh? 00:13:22 You know xena./ 00:13:50 no? who is she? 00:14:17 and whatever happend to (non-baby) tav? 00:14:33 the whois response parser is very simplistic 00:14:33 s/happend/happened/ 00:15:21 e.g. 044803Z sindication.com registered to nobody expires on rk Solutions' WHOIS database is provided by Network 00:17:25 sbp: he's around but not on irc 00:17:42 Ah, cool. 00:17:47 yesterday he sent me mail asking for Berkeley DB to be re-installed 00:17:48 I was thinking of registering some domain sucks. and then hosting a bunch of third level domains and putting together some community system for people to post gripes.. 00:18:07 That'd be cool. 00:18:18 http://freespeechcenter.org/ 00:18:41 and then somehow get the companies to pay me money as an outsourced "complaint management" center or somesuch ;-) 00:18:56 ooh ooh 00:19:09 don't use visio 2000 under any circumstances ifyou don't want to lose files 00:19:41 files in general? 00:20:32 visio files that you have open - it will corrupt them, even if you don't try to save them if you lose power while visio is on (not every time apaprently though) 00:21:17 ah 00:21:23 http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;Q278261 00:21:31 Its really amazing that business software would do this 00:21:47 the only safe option (which I amforced to do) is upgrade to visio 2002 00:22:13 work on copies? 00:24:06 uh, thats evil - you basically have to hand copy the file (and close the file you are editing to do this, mind you) periodically 00:24:14 its screwy beyond belief 00:25:04 :-( 00:26:14 well, this is dumb 00:32:00 Aaron: "UFOish cloud formations": I think they're called "Lenticular clouds" 00:32:12 .google Lenticular clouds 00:32:13 Oh, that must be what deltab meant. 00:32:13 Lenticular clouds: http://vortex.plymouth.edu/clouds.html 00:32:26 As Rael said: I WANT TO BELIEVE! 00:34:23 @ http://eastgate.com/Tinderbox/ 00:34:28 A: Eastgate Tinderbox™: the tool for notes from AaronSw 00:34:34 ugh: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_1800000/1800842.stm 00:34:37 A::"We're just days away!" 00:34:40 commented item A 00:34:52 A::$95 bucks? sheesh. 00:34:53 commented item A 00:35:07 ooh, interesting. well, if it were free and exported as RDF, and... 00:35:29 I bet RDF'll be in the next version. 00:35:32 A:: 00:35:32 http://eastgate.com/Tinderbox/ 00:35:33 Eastgate Tinderbox™: the tool for notes 00:35:34 (AaronSw) "We're just days away!" 00:35:35 (Morbus) $95 bucks? sheesh. 00:35:36 crud 00:35:41 I have a feeling hey don't want me coming out to bang on their heads again. 00:35:45 crud for what? 00:35:46 A::"""Tinderbox files use XML, """ Yes? And? 00:35:48 commented item A 00:36:02 that's actually what it says: it stops with a comma 00:36:06 Heh. 00:37:17 A::Well, their [other product|http://eastgate.com/Storyspace.html] is $295... 00:37:19 commented item A 00:37:22 heh - criteria for getting into space:- 00:37:23 [[[ 00:37:23 Qualifications 00:37:23 Very rich 00:37:24 Speaks English 00:37:24 Good health 00:37:25 Disqualification 00:37:27 Drugs 00:37:29 Alcohol abuse 00:37:31 Criminal, disgraceful or infamous behaviour 00:37:33 ]]] - http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_1795000/1795537.stm 00:37:39 Pff, IE copied that out well 00:37:40 infamous behavior?! 00:37:41 goddamit., 00:37:53 yeah, I like that bit 00:39:35 A::This is what I'd like to use for my weblog... not sure that it's OS X compatible though. 00:39:38 commented item A 00:40:23 Kick-ass: """The chairman of a top arts body has resigned after saying British art was in danger of "disappearing up its own arse".""" - http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_512903.html?menu=news.quirkies 00:40:29 A:|Eastgate Tinderbox: the tool for notes 00:40:30 titled item A 00:40:46 not a champion of conceptual art, it seems 00:41:08 A:|Eastgate Tinderbox: the tool for notes 00:41:10 titled item A 00:42:03 WTF? """Mr Besinski said: "In 22 years of being in local, state and federal courts, I've never seen anything like this," said Bresinski, a former police sergeant.""" - http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_512750.html?menu=news.quirkies 00:42:25 not only do they repeat themselves repeat themselves, but they missspel his name too 00:42:40 Heh, heh. 00:43:29 I saw a funny police quote yesterday. 00:45:02 What was it? 00:45:17 getting it... 00:45:33 .google perl ocs parser 00:45:34 perl ocs parser: http://www.perl.com/cs/user/query/q/6?id_topic=1 00:45:39 Former federal prosecutor Bruce Taylor: "Pornography is awful for guys: It affects their attitudes toward sex. It makes them sexually insensitive and jerks toward women, at least. At most, when it becomes an addiction, it becomes an element of psychosis." 00:45:43 - http://www.csmonitor.com/2002/0201/p13s01-altv.html 00:46:49 heh, heh 00:47:08 I like how the it starts with the word "Former" 00:47:14 Heh, heh. 00:47:16 Also: "He points to an FBI profile of serial murderers and sex offenders conducted over a period of 20 years. Nearly all of them, he says, were addicted to adult and child pornography." 00:47:23 This is surprising? 00:47:46 well, this is lame. 00:47:48 But what about all the find upstanding citizens also addicted to adult and child pornography? 00:47:53 s/find/fine/ 00:48:12 interalchemy has removed mention of its XML::OCS perl module 00:48:13 Clearly their readership doesn't know about converse errors. 00:49:03 The movabletype site needs screenshots. 00:49:06 .google xml::oc 00:49:07 xml::oc: http://archives.postgresql.org/pgsql-committers/2001-05/msg00332.php 00:49:13 aaron, i'll get you some hold on. 00:49:31 http://movabletype.org/screenshots/screenshot-admin-menu.html 00:49:37 that whole directory 00:49:42 aha, thanks! 00:49:42 .google xml::ocs download 00:49:43 xml::ocs download: http://www.opensource.co.kr/opensource/dir.php3?code=3314&page=11 00:51:59 er... right: http://www.guardian.co.uk/internetnews/story/0,7369,644896,00.html 00:53:39 What's an MP? 00:53:43 Member of Parliment? 00:54:11 gotta run: dinner 00:54:28 military police 00:56:05 the former 01:02:55 ampheta's coming along nicely. 01:03:03 already shaved off 20k of dumb code. 01:05:46 tansaku has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01:11:55 and added it in comments, I hope 01:12:12 heh, no :) 01:12:24 i'm just streamlining a lot of the settings code right now. 01:32:05 Why don't they name the MPs? 01:38:52 Hmm, the TAG has my issue on the agenda, but they mispelled my name. 01:40:47 heh, heh 01:40:49 TimBL mispelled your site as well... 01:40:53 [in the Webizing Python notes] 01:41:01 uri? 01:42:08 http://www.w3.org/2002/Talks/0206-python/all.htm 01:42:20 Hmm, where'd you see that? 01:42:41 Heh: 01:42:42 RDF IG Chump 01:42:43 Python is fun 01:42:52 * Thank you Guido 01:43:37 where is your issue on http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/ilist? 01:43:46 it's not there yet, i guess 01:43:49 s/on/in/ 01:44:47 Heh. AaronSwartz 01:45:51 Heh! "R.........n" 01:50:17 yeah 01:50:29 * deus_x just started parsing RSS with python. 01:51:09 Cool, what're you using? 01:51:13 I hadn't realized that RSS seemed to have forked, yet retained the same name. 01:51:32 umm... [cough] 01:51:38 AaronSw: I started using Orchard as Peerkat does, but then I thought it'd be fun just to use the plain old xml modules 01:51:55 What do you mean by forked? 01:52:24 AaronSw: Well, there's an RDF-based RSS in v0.9 and v1.0 and there something else called RSS v0.91 and v0.92 which is non-RDF. 01:52:35 * Morbus smiles 01:52:42 Life is funny like that. 01:52:45 I'm sure this is not news... was to me though. (Sensing a can of worms) 01:52:54 wmf (wesf@cs242733-11.austin.rr.com) has joined #swhack 01:53:07 Heh. I was playing with Zope -- it's Zope's fault! 01:53:12 (to wmf) 01:53:17 suuure, blame Zope 01:53:26 heh, heh. 01:53:37 o/` Blame Canada^WZope! o/` 01:53:46 ooh, i think i'll listen to that cd. 01:54:47 hey morb, how do I get apache to execute CGIs? 01:54:54 part 2, bitch 01:54:58 Heh. 01:55:03 :) 01:55:34 Heh, some Zope site beats you out on google for "morbus part 2" 01:55:38 allosx.com 01:55:48 ahhh... heh. yeah, i posted it there. 01:57:07 Paul really ripped into me about that whole "reliability" thing... 02:02:34 * deus_x finds explanations for the RSS "fork" thing. Fun fun. 02:02:47 Heh, heh 02:03:11 Why does Apache keep giving me Forbidden on scripts. 02:03:32 * AaronSw reads on 02:03:46 Oh, this is another one of Morbus' we'll tell them to do the wrong thing tricks. 02:04:55 that was the only one silly. you complained about it in the draft ;) 02:12:31 Hmm, funny... these modules seem like a good idea. :) 02:13:08 * deus_x feels *so* behind. :) 02:14:29 kick ass. my new settings module for amphetadesk works nicely. 02:15:58 what user is MT running as? 02:16:18 without changes by you, whatever user your webserver is. 02:16:39 Oh yeah, I was going to get MT to run entries past a wiki... 02:16:47 which on os x is www/www 02:17:12 on debian it looks like www-data... 02:17:48 Ooh! It's so pretty! 02:17:58 Hehe, that was my first impression, too. 02:18:21 Even the default blog template is beautiful 02:18:33 of course the rss is 0.91 -- gotta fix that... 02:18:41 its supposed to be better in 2.0, which is out in early march 02:18:49 they got christina wodke to UI it. 02:18:56 who's that? 02:19:01 elegant hack? 02:19:12 Ah. 02:20:04 AaronSw: what are you setting up? 02:20:14 Movable Type - movabletype.org 02:20:17 so recently I've lost all inhibitions about falling asleep early, when I'm tired I just go to sleep now :) 02:20:24 tis a good system. it has my vote. 02:20:26 that's what I guessed 02:20:49 I want to use Tinderbox, but I don't thinkit's carbonized 02:25:00 * jeremiah nods to everyone 02:26:58 Hmm, I wonder if MT can import from Radio. 02:27:09 there's a discussion on the supprt boards about that. 02:27:15 kearney brought it up. 02:27:17 what's the current status? 02:27:20 and supposedly hacked something. 02:27:30 dunno, didn't get into it. 02:34:17 Nice! The Apache config that comes with debian supports Cool URIs (w/o .htm and such) by default... or maybe it's MT. 02:34:44 probably the Apache 02:34:50 yeah, it's apache. 02:35:14 That's really nice. Now I just need to convince MT to drop the .html everywhere 02:35:28 that's defined in your Blog Settings, I believe 02:36:38 I changed it and it doesn't seem to have done anything. 02:36:46 you have to rebuild your files. 02:36:50 i did that 02:37:09 it still created them all with .html files? 02:37:13 yeah 02:37:23 that may be a built in default. 02:37:24 lemme check. 02:39:22 yeah: lib/MT/Util.pm: my $ext = $blog->file_extension || 'html'; 02:39:44 yup. i'm assuming you just removed the text, which would ... yeah. 02:39:48 just change that... 02:39:57 but then i'll get files named index. 02:40:02 "index." 02:40:24 if you're leery about changing the code (heh), you can always override everything within your template settins. 02:40:56 if you're using monthly templaets, for instance, 02:41:22 well, like, in gamegrene.com, I've selected "individual" archive types. 02:41:25 I don't think that'll help since they're all just <$MTArchiveLink$> 02:41:33 which by default would be ID.$ext 02:41:40 but, I've overwritten that by saying: <$MTEntryCategory dirify="1"$>/<$MTEntryTitle dirify="1"$>.shtml 02:41:46 ah. 02:41:53 you could easily do: <$MTEntryCategory dirify="1"$>/<$MTEntryTitle dirify="1"$> 02:42:08 which, in gamegrene's case, would be "game_material/title" 02:46:18 GabeW2 (~gwachob@12-236-92-153.client.attbi.com) has joined #swhack 02:46:27 I think if I just comment out $file .= '.' . $ext; 02:46:52 that'd work too, but you'd just have to remember to do that on upgrades. 02:47:18 you didn't want to override the archives? 02:47:53 Why would I do that? 02:48:11 because you can do that without messing with the source code. 02:48:13 Oh... hmm. 02:48:42 my new settings thing for ampheta rocks. 02:48:50 This screwed up the file names... ugh. 02:48:53 well, the code does at least. 02:48:57 what's that? 02:49:58 i thought that i'd only get the links with that change, but it renamed the files too. 02:50:37 right - if you change the archive filenames (in the blog configuration), and then rebuild, it will create brand new sets with that new structure. 02:50:56 Yeah, I see. 02:51:57 GabeW has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02:54:17 Hmm, how do I do the calendar? 02:54:26 dunno. never used it. 02:56:10 jeremiah has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03:01:20 GabeW2 is now known as GabeW 03:09:36 GabeW has quit ("Client Exiting") 03:18:19 i'm getting a cold. i know it. 03:18:22 i'm getting off. 03:18:28 gotta read or rest or something 03:18:31 make some tea. i dunno. 03:18:38 "Java's list syntax is hideous." - http://www.twistedmatrix.com/users/glyph/rant/python-vs-java.html 03:19:45 feel better morb 03:19:55 thanks 03:19:58 Morbus has quit ("http://www.disobey.com/") 03:21:43 hey, i know glyph -- he's one of the people messing with pychord 03:27:28 there's some totally bogus code in that article 03:27:47 java code, I assume? 03:27:52 yeah 03:28:17 you should email him.. 03:28:26 doesn't look like he's on now 03:29:19 the quote about lists is right on, although slightly misleading because Java doesn't *have* a syntax for lists 03:32:54 no use writing him: "I am aware that I did not choose optimal (or even necessarily equivalent) algorithms for the Java test cases." 03:33:31 he didn't say he did it on purpose, did he? 03:34:00 I don't see any particular reason listed 03:35:38 anyway, I think he's right that Python is better than Java 1.1, but it isn't relevant any more 04:06:32 .mail 04:06:37 .email 04:06:38 usage: email [ //] 04:06:39 - send email from irc! just specify the email address you want to send it to. 04:06:40 - you can also provide an optional subject line, provided you close it with // 04:07:16 .email wmf@voicestream.net testing // check, check... 04:07:17 email successfully sent. 04:09:21 This show divs and spans bookmarklet is awesome: http://www.web-graphics.com/mtarchive/000300.php#000300 04:12:48 hmm, my phone is not getting mail 04:13:11 Hmm. 04:38:31 ok, the mail is going though 04:52:10 thats good 05:01:58 Cool, got a Python script to do Radio->MovableType 05:04:39 xml export saves the day again 05:05:10 along with regexps and shell scripting 05:07:19 that was fast 05:07:35 10 line python script 05:07:45 Oops. Anyone know the python command to expand HTML entities? 05:16:15 * AaronSw uses: for e in htmlentitydefs.entitydefs: body = re.sub('&'+e+';', htmlentitydefs.entitydefs[e], body) 05:26:03 * wmf upgrades to a new wallet 05:26:22 Heh. A Microsoft Wallet? 05:26:26 no 05:27:06 Major new features? Does it support Cocoa? 05:27:38 no new features, but it has fewer holes than the old one 05:28:22 You could have just grabbed the latest security patches. 05:28:47 no, I wanted a fresh one 05:29:36 tansaku (~sam@mtl10gw.mtl.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp) has joined #swhack 05:32:02 @ http://www.mozilla.org.uk/docs/spell-checker-faq 05:32:07 B: Mozilla Spell-checker FAQ from wmf 05:32:20 B::"Is a spell-checker a requirement for Mozilla 1.0?" 05:32:21 commented item B 05:32:28 B::"No." 05:32:29 commented item B 05:32:38 B::"But..." 05:32:40 commented item B 05:32:43 B::"No." 05:32:45 commented item B 05:33:23 Heh: """Please don't try and threaten us with "I'll go and use IE 6! I will! And then you'll be sorry..." or "Mozilla will be a laughing stock without a spell-checker!" or "The customer is always right. Cower before my mighty consumer power!" People do this and think it'll have an effect, but we really don't care. And you aren't our customer (but that's another debate.) I suggest you direct your energies in more constructive directions - like, for example, lear 05:34:41 lol: "I hope that Mozilla 1.0 will have native widget support for Windows 2005." 05:40:11 "The basic problem is that DivXNetworks stole the name of the very popular hacked codec, bought the domainname, went legit with an entirely different codec, and then put up a FAQ which basically denies the existence of the codec who's name they stole. Seem a little scummy to you?" 05:42:03 B::"I can't code. Can I test it out?" 05:42:03 B::"Yes, if you sign the Non-Disclosure Agreement giving us the ability to enter your house, raid your fridge and assault your cat." *They better watch out -- I think Microsoft has a copyright on that NDA.* 05:42:05 commented item B 05:42:06 commented item B 05:42:22 Seems very scummy indeed. 05:42:33 At least it wasn't bought by those awful DRM DVD folks 05:43:13 that AC also forgot to mention the whole Project Mayo fiasco 05:43:34 AC? 05:43:45 I was quoting an AC from /. 05:43:58 Ah. 05:44:04 hey AaronSw 05:44:06 GabeW (~gwachob@12-236-92-153.client.attbi.com) has joined #swhack 05:44:10 wb tansaku, GabeW 05:44:23 you got a copy of your submission to O'Reilly emerging fluff? 05:44:30 hi all 05:44:37 hi GabeW 05:44:44 somewhere around here... it obviously wasn't very good. 05:44:47 whats the deal with raggin' on the oreilly conf? 05:44:55 search me? 05:45:19 AaronSw, I'd be interested in taking a look - mail me at sam@neurogrid.com ? 05:45:38 fogetaboutit 05:45:41 just a sec -- i'll hunt for the url 05:45:46 GabeW, you mean emerging FUD? 05:45:51 is that it? 05:45:52 watttever .., 05:46:14 well, I feel like I"m missing out on a meme here 05:46:32 http://logicerror.com/etPlexTalk 05:46:57 GabeW, I think people are just sour that they're backing away from P2P. 05:47:12 tansaku, it's at http://logicerror.com/etPlexTalk 05:47:26 thanks 05:47:48 calling something an "Emerging Technology" conference is like saying a "miscellaneous stuff" conference 05:47:56 ahh 05:47:56 Actually with O'Reilly only asking for one page proposals like this, it's difficult to tell one submission apart from the next 05:48:00 no -- NEW miscellaneous stuff! 05:48:16 I'm still sour at them for rejecting me from both of their P2P conferences 05:48:17 I think actually that would be kewl if you attracted only the right people 05:48:19 Yeah -- I figured they'd email me if they were at all interested. :( 05:48:55 some people, e.g. me, feel they overlook interesting novel projects in favour of big corporate types who are likely to pay sponsorship fees 05:48:59 I'd want to hear 'bout routing stuff re: linux, wacky things with lisp, interesting p2p stuff - all thats pretty misc. 05:49:02 they send out the accept/reject mails at the same time AFAIK 05:49:08 well that's the way it goes I suppose 05:49:34 wmf, did you reject our proposals? 05:49:53 I am no longer serving in the O'Reilly Illuminati 05:49:55 I'm used to academic conferences where who you work for isn't supposed to count - I get rejected from those as well, but at least it's for technical reasons 05:50:00 heh 05:50:14 at least you submit! 05:50:36 codecon looks interesting because its seems relatively 'raw' 05:50:49 yeah, maybe I should've gone for that 05:51:04 anyway there's another p2p workshop coming up in europe soon 05:51:09 hopefully we will have a paper in OSDI this year 05:51:10 dude, everyone who is everyone (at least on #infoanarchy) is going to be there.. 05:51:18 I was really thrilled to hear there 're gonna be CodeCon webcasts. 05:51:22 d00d 05:51:34 at least the MIT people gave me good feedback - I'll use it to work on the next submission 05:51:46