00:01:06 it's small, fast, opens any obscure image format you care to mention, and you can fit it in your front pocket 00:01:10 well, scratch the last one 00:01:38 GraphicConverter owns 00:01:44 pardon? 00:02:01 GraphicConverter does all of that, plus editing and batch conversions 00:02:22 it'll do batch converstion 00:02:40 has minimal editing capabilities, although I guess it trades that for siz 00:02:43 yeah, but GraphicConverter run on the Mac :-) 00:02:56 further proof that it sucks. Thanks, wmf 00:03:01 lol 00:03:04 :-) 00:03:12 hmm, siz 00:03:25 abbrev. f'r "size" 00:03:31 or sizzle 00:03:47 or "sister", slang-wise 00:05:22 * jeremiah is visiting superbowl advertising websites 00:05:42 Datatypes Smackdown! Stickler, Carroll vs. Connolly, Melnik 00:05:54 ^ much more interesting than superbowl ;-) 00:06:00 indeed 00:06:05 * wmf makes fajitas, blissfully unaware of XML turmoil 00:06:16 That's RDF turmoil to you, mister! 00:06:18 RDF turmoil, wmf 00:06:25 * jeremiah drinks grapefruit juice, also blissfully unaware of XML turmoil 00:06:29 * wmf hears nothing 00:06:31 s/XML/RDF 00:06:31 yeah. We don't need no steenkin' XML 00:06:52 so mlife.com is a mobil phone company 00:07:06 still trying to figure out infecttruth.com 00:07:19 something about smoking 00:07:24 I figure if they advertise on the superbowl it's only safe to visit their sites in a text-only browser. 00:07:33 anti or pro? Not that one can tell the difference, these days 00:07:34 yeah, sites are a tad slow 00:07:37 anti 00:07:47 it redirected me to thetruth.com 00:07:54 which I have seen advertise against smoking before 00:08:01 [cf. the collectible anti-cigarette cards somewhere in SAm] 00:08:12 [sciam?] 00:08:12 oh wow, I wonder if this website is run by all that money the tobacco companies had to pay to show how bad smoking is 00:08:14 that'd be cool 00:08:17 South America 00:08:18 i was worried more about JavaScript than speed, but they are slow. 00:08:27 wow, mlife can give me personalized ring tones. my phone doesn't even ring, Einstein 00:08:47 thetruth.com is one big usemap. my text-only browser idea worked out real well there. [cough] 00:08:50 ask them for a personalized vibra-frequency 00:09:01 it would be cool to have one that says "wesley, pick up your goddamn phone" 00:09:07 wow, Links browsers USEMAPs beautifully -- that's cool. 00:09:26 s/Links browsers/Links browses/ 00:09:27 or "HTP went down - quick, ring up Winer!" 00:09:35 I never get confused about whose phone is ringing. if my phone is vibrating, I KNOW it 00:09:35 Heh, heh, heh 00:09:39 that would be more of an SMS service, though, I guess 00:09:47 heh 00:09:48 wmf, unless you live on a fault line 00:09:58 good point 00:10:21 "Hello? Hello?" oh, it's an earthquake 00:10:24 TheTruth.com: "Dog poop: Something smells like truth." 00:10:48 you would think with pdas going into phones they'd stop adding that vibrate feature 00:11:03 hm? 00:11:04 since... it's really smart to put a vibrator in expensive electronics 00:11:24 well, PDAs should be shock proof 00:11:34 not to mention dog-proof 00:11:37 my phone is expensive, and it vibrates. it has a warranty, so I don't care 00:11:41 * jeremiah throws two of his broken palmpilots at sbp 00:11:56 my Newton is pretty sturdy. of course it's also gigantic 00:11:57 i heard vibrators make the disk drive spin faster 00:12:33 Yeah, the Newtons are great. 00:12:45 ... for throwing at other people 00:12:57 swhack! 00:13:11 dang, I thought that last commerical was for sixdegrees 00:13:22 "we 00:13:30 "we're out of business, but visit out site anyway" 00:13:42 another mlife commerical 00:16:23 cool: http://www.newsalert.com/bin/story?StoryId=CpfOG0bKbytaWntG -- we (and many others, i'm sure) had that idea years ago. 00:18:30 I guess we'll try it out on our annual six flags trip. see, the school gives you free tickets to 6th graders and under if you read for more than 600 minutes 00:19:12 if using computers counted as reading, holy shit I'd have a lot of minutes 00:19:20 suppose we all would 00:19:43 Heh, yeah. They only counted paper books, though. 00:19:59 Although I don't think they really verified that hard. 00:24:20 so, who's winning? 00:24:43 can't tell 00:24:47 lol 00:24:57 it says STL 3 NE 0, but I think that's... yards or something 00:25:01 who has the higher score - that's usually a give away 00:25:05 it's the rams vs the patriots 00:25:06 heh, heh 00:25:09 no score on the screen 00:25:20 .superbowl 00:25:29 need more xena hackers, i guess 00:25:38 who wrote xena? 00:25:44 HaX0R teh xena! 00:26:10 Killarny and tav 00:26:42 Who's tav? 00:26:51 oh yeah, that guy that used to hang around here... 00:26:53 :-) 00:27:32 wow, I got my RDF IG message. I only posted it like an hour ago, so that's good 00:27:58 AaronSw: did that guy do the newtorking code yet? 00:28:11 He's disappeared, it seems. Everyone's looking for him. 00:28:13 .seen zooko 00:28:14 zooko seen changing nickname to zooko_configuring_linux_kernel ~ 5 day(s) 10 min(s) 50 sec(s) ago 00:28:14 .seen tav 00:28:15 tav seen in #swhack saying: [ goodbye all ] ~ 4 day(s) 17 hr(s) 49 min(s) 55 sec(s) ago 00:28:26 interesting 00:28:32 BenSw|watchingsuperbowl (~Snak@12-249-96-16.client.attbi.com) has joined #swhack 00:28:39 Hello 00:28:43 heh, it's taken zooko 5 days to configure the Linux kernal, and counting 00:28:56 Heh. 00:28:59 DISCLAIMER: "Linux" is a registered trademark of Linus Torvalds 00:29:05 in some countried 00:29:11 yeah 00:29:23 "country" a verb now, eh 00:29:25 ? 00:29:47 me speaking statacco 00:30:10 I noticed that I tend to chop unecessary out of sentences 00:30:20 hmm 00:30:33 I should watch a movie, i bought 3 yesterday 00:32:29 * AaronSw took Fundamentals of Music (Theory) last year. 00:32:37 was it good? 00:32:58 touchdown by patriots 00:32:58 It was really boring, mostly because I'd picked up a lot of it already 00:33:10 you play piano, right? 00:33:17 or was that someone else 00:33:21 and because there was a lot of grunt work (write ever single scale known to man forwards and backwards) 00:33:25 no, i play a little piano 00:33:32 oh yeah? So, what's a note, smart-guy 00:33:54 and for your intermediate question: a minim 00:33:57 It's a unit of sound. 00:34:30 and for your higher-intermediate: what's the major seventh in the key of G 00:34:38 a minim appears to be 1/60 of a fluid dram or a half note 00:34:44 heh, heh 00:34:55 except in britain where it's 1/20 of a scruple 00:35:03 i've got no minims! 00:35:13 You Americans are so unscrupulous 00:35:28 go to the shop, lay your money down... 00:35:34 major seventh in the key of G -- yeah, gruntwork 00:35:57 I actually let you off lightly, there 00:36:50 it's weird listening to the tivo-echo. 00:37:04 they have the game on two tvs, one tivoed and one not. 00:37:05 huh 00:37:07 oh 00:37:25 we have the same thing with digital and regular 00:38:17 "and today, we find that many fishes bask in electric" [turn over] "we find that many back in electric pencil..." 00:38:17 downstairs we have surround-sound 00:38:20 up here we have normal tv 00:38:30 er... I screwed that up, but you get the gist 00:39:01 so in surround sound does John Madden start pacing all around you? 00:39:03 I can feel the superbowl's sound under my feet 00:39:09 I dunno 00:40:13 everyone makes too much of a fuss over the superbowl in my opinion 00:41:55 hey you're the one watching it 00:41:55 :) 00:44:17 The commercials this year aren't very good 00:44:33 Thats all that matters 00:44:38 imo 00:44:46 is that all you watch it for? heh 00:45:18 * wmf is not watching 00:45:20 I like the one on The Simpsons. If that's indicative of the Superbowl commericials, I'm sold 00:46:17 * wmf loads his shotgun 00:46:22 Last year had some good commercials but this year the companies found out that they would come up as WORST SUPERBOWL COMMERCIAL so all these ones are making fun of what is going to happen tommoow 00:47:40 wmf: you in texas? 00:47:44 Austin 00:53:55 * BenSw|watchingsuperbowl laughs at the topic 00:54:03 its from UHF 00:54:08 * jeremiah explains that although he has no problem with the brits, he does come from irish heritage, and therfore finds it necessary to make fun of them at all costs (apologies to sbp) 00:54:26 * sbp is part Irish 00:54:32 sbp: right on 00:54:41 * jeremiah is part German 00:54:48 heh, heh 00:55:28 karld (~karld@macy.Stanford.EDU) has joined #swhack 00:55:48 hey karld 00:55:59 wb karld 00:56:03 hey aaron 00:56:09 *sigh* I guess I have to go through the house-rules crap 00:56:36 this channel is instantly publically logged to the Web. To make an off-log comment, please prefix your comment with "# ". Have a nice day 00:56:57 we need butler bot 00:57:00 and welcome :-) 00:57:00 gotta run - dinner 00:57:08 you should be able to automate that with a bot 00:57:12 yeah. Perhaps you can rig xena up to do that 00:57:21 or have it as the channel notification thingy 00:58:57 Hmm... there was something on Wiki about USA vs. UK 00:59:13 it ended up with a stark comparison of baseball and cricket 00:59:53 it should have compared football and football 00:59:55 :) 00:59:58 :-) 01:00:13 a closer comparison is American Football and Rugby 01:01:36 BenSw|watchingsuperbowl is now known as AaronSw` 01:01:38 * AaronSw` waves 01:02:25 AaronSw` is now known as BenSw````````````` 01:02:25 BenSw````````````` is now known as AaronSw` 01:02:53 AaronSw` has quit ("w007") 01:03:14 now children... 01:04:40 AaronSw` (~Snak@12-249-96-16.client.attbi.com) has joined #swhack 01:04:45 wb Ben 01:04:47 Hmm, only 3 people in #superbowl 01:05:00 Do I look like Ben? He tried to quit, I stole the computer. 01:05:08 indeed 01:05:45 it's difficult to tell, y'know :-) 01:07:20 so, karl: interested in the Semantic Web? 01:08:16 .google "(karl d'adamo" 01:08:17 "(karl d'adamo": http://www.semanticweb.org/SWWS/program/position 01:08:45 that'll be a "yes", then 01:09:23 very much so actually, osrry i was away for a few minutes 01:09:35 np 01:09:53 what kind of application domains are you focussed upon? 01:10:53 i don't have a focus, but i think that indexing and managing content are the most interesting 01:11:09 have you heard of Plex? 01:11:13 i guess they are kind of the most obvious and probably will be the first round of applications 01:11:14 http://plexdev.org/ 01:11:24 yeah 01:11:33 yes, i have heard of the plex...very cool idea...exactly what i meant 01:13:34 may I ask how you came across #swhack (just for interest - we don't get a great deal of visitors, and it's nice to know how word got about)? 01:14:25 i think from aaronsw maybe via rdfig 01:14:39 cool 01:14:54 really? 01:15:21 We need to do some referer tracking and stuff. 01:15:25 i don't remember actually, i rarely use irc anyway 01:15:30 "Visit #swhack and ask for JUDY" 01:15:36 yes, that would be interesting 01:15:40 heh, heh 01:15:55 really, i am in love with xena 01:16:05 that's why i come back every time 01:16:09 Heh, heh. 01:16:24 lol 01:16:47 Apparently there's a xena feature tav hasn't told us about/ 01:16:57 what is it? :-) 01:17:28 unfortunately i'm on the wrong computer to look right now. 01:17:37 that's tav's plan! he will take over the world using a back door in xena after everyone adopts it! 01:17:44 .newfeatures 01:17:55 it's just like Dissembler and the Black Plan... 01:18:17 What book is this? 01:18:25 The Star Fraction 01:19:51 Google doesn't seem to have archived any of #swhack 2002 yet 01:21:13 It's because Eric is waiting to "add more recency to the index" 01:21:14 heh 01:21:14 you need to bribe jill 01:21:14 I tried that already. 01:21:14 " Ken MacLeod is the greatest living Trotskyist libertarian cyberpunk science-fiction humorist. It's a safe claim to make, because he is undoubtedly the only such creature. " - http://www.salon.com/books/feature/1999/07/27/macleod_interview/ 01:21:14 you need to bribe her with hotdogs or something 01:21:21 heh, heh 01:22:13 he won "two Prometheus awards for best libertarian science fiction novel"? Get outta here! 01:22:36 that sounds like a good desription 01:22:44 """But his next most favored spot is "alt.politics.socialism.trotsky"""" - pff, no mention of #swhack 01:23:52 lol 01:23:52 It'd be sort of funy if it turned out it was our Ken MacLeod who posted there. 01:24:44 ah 01:25:07 * sbp smacks self with a book 01:25:16 "The Star Fraction"? 01:25:23 not on my shelf 01:26:07 I bet Wes will lend it to you. 01:27:39 sure, I'll lend it to anyone who wants to come pick it up 01:28:07 Aaron can go and fetch it for me, and then bring it to me the next time he's over here 01:29:08 Paul McCartney is making fun of the announcers on TV. 01:29:20 This is really sad. 01:29:31 They're trying to sing AHDN together. 01:35:31 yeah 01:35:53 wmf has quit ("BitchX-75p3 -- just do it.") 01:36:21 wmf (wesf@cs242733-11.austin.rr.com) has joined #swhack 01:36:31 I hate it when Terminal dies for no reason 01:37:22 it's rebelling 01:39:01 that's like the 5th mlife commerical now 01:39:13 terminal: same here. it's really annoying 01:39:54 I like it more when mozilla or my editor crashes 01:40:09 I think it's time for a shower 01:40:10 * jeremiah is away: I'm busy 01:40:26 That never happens to me, since I don't use mozilla 01:46:42 goin' back upstairs. 01:46:49 AaronSw` has quit ("bbl") 01:49:39 'Wes' would make a funny McCusker character. 01:50:24 :-) 01:59:50 so what would this 'Wes' character always be going on about? 02:04:59 who knows 02:09:11 Hmm, my TiVo downloaded ads for the TiVo Series2 02:09:46 heh, heh 02:09:54 "upgrade me!" 02:10:13 you say you want a tivolution... 02:10:36 * AaronSw has a tivolution t-shirt 02:14:32 it's not really clear from the site what the advantage of series 2 is 02:16:06 one of the ads is labeled "how to explain tivo to your friends" 02:16:14 uh oh 02:16:19 viral marketing 02:16:30 just don't let it show you any bitmaps :-) 02:16:48 "Mom, I know this is hard for you to take, but i've joined th 'tivolution'." 02:17:00 * wmf blogs AaronSw 02:17:19 Heh, heh. 02:19:11 lol: "he was such a good boy" 02:19:42 Can you capitalize the i in I've for me? 02:21:32 oh, my inner english teacher missed that one 02:22:02 next thing you know he'll be writing for TiVo International 02:22:41 It seems the Series2's big feature is that it's "Enabled for future services in home entertainment, including digital music, photos and more" 02:23:42 It's also "smaller and sleeker, offers greater recording capacity (up to 60 hours), and includes a new remote control with increased functionality. It's all-new from the ground up." 02:23:56 Ooh! Two USB ports built-in. 02:25:56 Heh, mlife.org is the meaning of life website 02:26:26 mLife is not the meaning of life 02:26:37 "Mlife is your life made truly mobile," Zeglis told analysts gathered in Redmond, Wash. 02:26:42 - http://www.eweek.com/article/0,3658,s%253D1884%2526a%253D22186,00.asp 02:27:49 netspend had a similarly vague ad campaign 02:28:21 "netspend is your life made truly mobile" 02:28:30 no, not quite 02:28:39 Is netspend that thing that lets your parents by you pr0n? 02:28:40 .google hackintern 02:28:41 hackintern: http://www.stargoose.de/hackintern/hackintern.htm 02:28:45 s/by/buy/ 02:29:06 no, it lets you use your allowance to buy anything but porn 02:29:15 "Ja ja, ich hab mir ziemlich viel Zeit gelassen, aber hier ist die versprochene Weiterf�hrung von Hackintern." 02:32:06 Netspend seems to throw me into an infinite meta-refresh redirect. Aaaargh! 02:33:07 .google fourth international 02:33:07 fourth international: http://www.w3.org/Conferences/WWW4 02:33:16 heh 02:33:53 IW3C2 has got to be the worst acronym I know of. 02:34:18 in Ken MacLeod's universe, the Fourth International is some kind of socialist conspiracy. coincidence? I think not 02:34:34 oooh. 02:36:13 "The Fourth International was founded by Trotsky in 1938. In 1953 it suffered a major split..." 02:36:49 the W3C is run by the Fourth International! I must inform the world! 02:37:12 ...suffered a major split between the XML capitalists and the RDF socialists. 02:37:32 You just keep quiet about this wmf, or we're going to get TimBL on you. 02:37:39 Did you know TimBL's machine is named politburo.w3.org? 02:37:54 I know who TimBL works for. I fear nothing 02:38:33 That's what you say now, but just wait until webpages suddenly start changing their content. 02:39:10 He's had a backdoor in httpd and he's carefully maintained it thru all the Apache versions... 02:39:32 betty is immune 02:39:50 That's what you think. 02:40:57 Why do you think Dave got to have lunch with TimBL, eh? 02:41:06 no... it can't be... 02:41:55 I think you're starting to see just what you've gotten yourself into. 02:42:39 Notice how your "Publications" section has changed from "Really!" to "OK, not really." Just a small show of his influence. 02:42:55 jeremiah has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02:46:56 I wonder what the average length is of every URI indexed by Google? 02:47:31 .google average length of every URL indexed by Google 02:47:33 average length of every URL indexed by Google: http://www.developersnetwork.com/Articles/Articles.asp?Article=56 02:48:28 Hmm... "swhack" gets only 726 results. Kinda surprising 02:50:09 wow, we got Voidstar'd: http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:www.voidstar.com/module.php%3Fmod%3Dblog 02:52:37 Hmm... http://www.neurogrid.net/servlet/com.neurogrid.prime.RDFServlet?URI=http://blogspace.com/swhack/weblog/ 02:54:30 Heh. 02:55:12 meta_author should probably replaced with dc:author in that. 02:55:35 I think the whole thing is a bit messed up 02:59:21 @ http://www.guardian.co.uk/gall/0,8542,642599,00.html 02:59:32 A: Guardian Unlimited | Gallery | Citigroup Private Bank photography prize 2002 index from sbp 02:59:44 A:|Citigroup Photography Prize 2002 02:59:46 titled item A 03:05:51 * tansaku puts up a sign saying "RDFServlet under construction" 03:06:26 AaronSw: "meta_author should probably replaced with dc:author in that." kind of misses the point 03:06:39 no, since you already use a meta_description. 03:06:56 so it's the author, of the description, of the description, of the file? 03:07:24 meta_author means the author of the description, but that meta_description could also contain dc:author 03:07:48 which would mean that the meta_author sam was ascribing the author of the actual document to someone else, e.g. you 03:08:07 interesting: http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,3604,642792,00.html 03:08:34 I'm certainly not suggesting that the way the RDFServlet is set up at present is perfect, but I think there is the necessity for a meta_author tag, at least superficially 03:09:14 ah, i understand. 03:09:51 yeah, reification might be simpler 03:10:21 yeah, that RDFServlet output is from earlier experiments 03:10:52 I then ran into problems with JENA not supporting different kinds of RDF concepts, such as reification, and then confusion about what encoding to use 03:11:33 then other projects and christmas got in the way ... I'm just coming to some clear water again and should be able to get working on this interface again ... 03:12:05 Jena has to support reification, it's not really anything special. 03:12:17 [[[ 03:12:18 Went to see Bagels and Fraylox at Aromas, a local coffe shop. 03:12:18 I'm not a member of the coffe shop crowd, it sorta scares me actually. 03:12:24 ]]] - http://radio.weblogs.com/0001189/2002/02/03.html#a286 03:12:36 they don't let you in if you can't spell "coffee", anyway 03:12:37 well yes, there's "has to" and "sam able to work out how to get Jena to support it" 03:12:41 * tansaku has to go 03:12:47 catch you guys later 03:12:49 :-) c'ya 03:12:50 c'ya 03:13:04 "Oh, and I really dig Jewish music." - Jeremiah 03:13:17 There's some good Klezmer out there. 03:13:25 .google "old world beat" mcdonalds 03:13:26 no results found. 03:13:38 hmm 03:14:17 I'm hovering somewhere between "heavy rock" and "folk" at the moment. It's odd, but refreshing 03:14:54 Ah, it's called "Watch Your Step" 03:16:06 Amazon has a clip: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/clipserve/B00000035A001005/ 03:18:24 heh! http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_511684.html?menu=news.quirkies 03:21:49 heh! http://www.pissart.org/ 03:22:17 lol! 03:23:18 It "embodies the DIY culture in its most intimate & naive form." 03:23:37 oh dear, that's so funny 03:24:19 this is bizarre: http://www.restrooms.org/device-free.html 03:25:45 but is it art? :-) 03:26:04 Hmm... #sbp needs a WebLog 03:27:12 "each participant leaves his/her own colour 03:27:12 pH signature 03:27:13 " 03:27:51 blargh, I'm going to be writing one in Python, aren't I? 03:28:59 Hmm... but I'll need to FTP the junk onto the Web; that's going to be difficult to optimize 03:29:15 preferably, for each bit of new text, I only want to send that text, not the whole new page 03:30:01 Hey, if Blogger does it... 03:30:18 yeah, but I only have Python and ASP to work with 03:30:28 I mean Blogger uses FTP. 03:30:32 does it? 03:30:36 Yep. 03:30:40 You could just get a blogger account and use the Blogger API to do it. 03:33:27 tansaku has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03:53:16 hazmat (~ender@209.249.161.137) has joined #swhack 04:33:28 wmf has quit ("wmf has no reason") 04:34:13 well, I have a working blogger bot in Python 04:52:00 leave 04:52:06 woops 04:52:08 karld has left #swhack 05:28:05 time to disappear: gotta get some work done 05:31:10 c'ya 05:35:01