IRC log of swhack on 2002-02-04

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00:01:06 [sbp]
it's small, fast, opens any obscure image format you care to mention, and you can fit it in your front pocket
00:01:10 [sbp]
well, scratch the last one
00:01:38 [wmf]
GraphicConverter owns
00:01:44 [sbp]
pardon?
00:02:01 [AaronSw]
GraphicConverter does all of that, plus editing and batch conversions
00:02:22 [sbp]
it'll do batch converstion
00:02:40 [sbp]
has minimal editing capabilities, although I guess it trades that for siz
00:02:43 [wmf]
yeah, but GraphicConverter run on the Mac :-)
00:02:56 [sbp]
further proof that it sucks. Thanks, wmf
00:03:01 [wmf]
lol
00:03:04 [sbp]
:-)
00:03:12 [AaronSw]
hmm, siz
00:03:25 [sbp]
abbrev. f'r "size"
00:03:31 [AaronSw]
or sizzle
00:03:47 [sbp]
or "sister", slang-wise
00:05:22 [jeremiah]
* jeremiah is visiting superbowl advertising websites
00:05:42 [AaronSw]
Datatypes Smackdown! Stickler, Carroll vs. Connolly, Melnik
00:05:54 [AaronSw]
^ much more interesting than superbowl ;-)
00:06:00 [sbp]
indeed
00:06:05 [wmf]
* wmf makes fajitas, blissfully unaware of XML turmoil
00:06:16 [AaronSw]
That's RDF turmoil to you, mister!
00:06:18 [sbp]
RDF turmoil, wmf
00:06:25 [jeremiah]
* jeremiah drinks grapefruit juice, also blissfully unaware of XML turmoil
00:06:29 [wmf]
* wmf hears nothing
00:06:31 [jeremiah]
s/XML/RDF
00:06:31 [sbp]
yeah. We don't need no steenkin' XML
00:06:52 [jeremiah]
so mlife.com is a mobil phone company
00:07:06 [jeremiah]
still trying to figure out infecttruth.com
00:07:19 [jeremiah]
something about smoking
00:07:24 [AaronSw]
I figure if they advertise on the superbowl it's only safe to visit their sites in a text-only browser.
00:07:33 [sbp]
anti or pro? Not that one can tell the difference, these days
00:07:34 [jeremiah]
yeah, sites are a tad slow
00:07:37 [jeremiah]
anti
00:07:47 [jeremiah]
it redirected me to thetruth.com
00:07:54 [jeremiah]
which I have seen advertise against smoking before
00:08:01 [sbp]
[cf. the collectible anti-cigarette cards somewhere in SAm]
00:08:12 [AaronSw]
[sciam?]
00:08:12 [jeremiah]
oh wow, I wonder if this website is run by all that money the tobacco companies had to pay to show how bad smoking is
00:08:14 [jeremiah]
that'd be cool
00:08:17 [sbp]
South America
00:08:18 [AaronSw]
i was worried more about JavaScript than speed, but they are slow.
00:08:27 [wmf]
wow, mlife can give me personalized ring tones. my phone doesn't even ring, Einstein
00:08:47 [AaronSw]
thetruth.com is one big usemap. my text-only browser idea worked out real well there. [cough]
00:08:50 [sbp]
ask them for a personalized vibra-frequency
00:09:01 [jeremiah]
it would be cool to have one that says "wesley, pick up your goddamn phone"
00:09:07 [AaronSw]
wow, Links browsers USEMAPs beautifully -- that's cool.
00:09:26 [AaronSw]
s/Links browsers/Links browses/
00:09:27 [sbp]
or "HTP went down - quick, ring up Winer!"
00:09:35 [wmf]
I never get confused about whose phone is ringing. if my phone is vibrating, I KNOW it
00:09:35 [AaronSw]
Heh, heh, heh
00:09:39 [sbp]
that would be more of an SMS service, though, I guess
00:09:47 [sbp]
heh
00:09:48 [AaronSw]
wmf, unless you live on a fault line
00:09:58 [wmf]
good point
00:10:21 [wmf]
"Hello? Hello?" oh, it's an earthquake
00:10:24 [AaronSw]
TheTruth.com: "Dog poop: Something smells like truth."
00:10:48 [jeremiah]
you would think with pdas going into phones they'd stop adding that vibrate feature
00:11:03 [AaronSw]
hm?
00:11:04 [jeremiah]
since... it's really smart to put a vibrator in expensive electronics
00:11:24 [sbp]
well, PDAs should be shock proof
00:11:34 [sbp]
not to mention dog-proof
00:11:37 [wmf]
my phone is expensive, and it vibrates. it has a warranty, so I don't care
00:11:41 [jeremiah]
* jeremiah throws two of his broken palmpilots at sbp
00:11:56 [wmf]
my Newton is pretty sturdy. of course it's also gigantic
00:11:57 [AaronSw]
i heard vibrators make the disk drive spin faster
00:12:33 [AaronSw]
Yeah, the Newtons are great.
00:12:45 [AaronSw]
... for throwing at other people
00:12:57 [wmf]
swhack!
00:13:11 [jeremiah]
dang, I thought that last commerical was for sixdegrees
00:13:22 [AaronSw]
"we
00:13:30 [AaronSw]
"we're out of business, but visit out site anyway"
00:13:42 [jeremiah]
another mlife commerical
00:16:23 [AaronSw]
cool: http://www.newsalert.com/bin/story?StoryId=CpfOG0bKbytaWntG -- we (and many others, i'm sure) had that idea years ago.
00:18:30 [AaronSw]
I guess we'll try it out on our annual six flags trip. see, the school gives you free tickets to 6th graders and under if you read for more than 600 minutes
00:19:12 [jeremiah]
if using computers counted as reading, holy shit I'd have a lot of minutes
00:19:20 [jeremiah]
suppose we all would
00:19:43 [AaronSw]
Heh, yeah. They only counted paper books, though.
00:19:59 [AaronSw]
Although I don't think they really verified that hard.
00:24:20 [sbp]
so, who's winning?
00:24:43 [jeremiah]
can't tell
00:24:47 [sbp]
lol
00:24:57 [jeremiah]
it says STL 3 NE 0, but I think that's... yards or something
00:25:01 [sbp]
who has the higher score - that's usually a give away
00:25:05 [jeremiah]
it's the rams vs the patriots
00:25:06 [sbp]
heh, heh
00:25:09 [jeremiah]
no score on the screen
00:25:20 [AaronSw]
.superbowl
00:25:29 [AaronSw]
need more xena hackers, i guess
00:25:38 [jeremiah]
who wrote xena?
00:25:44 [sbp]
HaX0R teh xena!
00:26:10 [AaronSw]
Killarny and tav
00:26:42 [sbp]
Who's tav?
00:26:51 [sbp]
oh yeah, that guy that used to hang around here...
00:26:53 [sbp]
:-)
00:27:32 [sbp]
wow, I got my RDF IG message. I only posted it like an hour ago, so that's good
00:27:58 [jeremiah]
AaronSw: did that guy do the newtorking code yet?
00:28:11 [AaronSw]
He's disappeared, it seems. Everyone's looking for him.
00:28:13 [AaronSw]
.seen zooko
00:28:14 [xena]
zooko seen changing nickname to zooko_configuring_linux_kernel ~ 5 day(s) 10 min(s) 50 sec(s) ago
00:28:14 [AaronSw]
.seen tav
00:28:15 [xena]
tav seen in #swhack saying: [ goodbye all ] ~ 4 day(s) 17 hr(s) 49 min(s) 55 sec(s) ago
00:28:26 [jeremiah]
interesting
00:28:32 [BenSw|watchingsuperbowl]
BenSw|watchingsuperbowl (~Snak@12-249-96-16.client.attbi.com) has joined #swhack
00:28:39 [BenSw|watchingsuperbowl]
Hello
00:28:43 [sbp]
heh, it's taken zooko 5 days to configure the Linux kernal, and counting
00:28:56 [AaronSw]
Heh.
00:28:59 [sbp]
DISCLAIMER: "Linux" is a registered trademark of Linus Torvalds
00:29:05 [AaronSw]
in some countried
00:29:11 [sbp]
yeah
00:29:23 [sbp]
"country" a verb now, eh
00:29:25 [sbp]
?
00:29:47 [sbp]
me speaking statacco
00:30:10 [sbp]
I noticed that I tend to chop unecessary out of sentences
00:30:20 [jeremiah]
hmm
00:30:33 [jeremiah]
I should watch a movie, i bought 3 yesterday
00:32:29 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw took Fundamentals of Music (Theory) last year.
00:32:37 [jeremiah]
was it good?
00:32:58 [jeremiah]
touchdown by patriots
00:32:58 [AaronSw]
It was really boring, mostly because I'd picked up a lot of it already
00:33:10 [jeremiah]
you play piano, right?
00:33:17 [jeremiah]
or was that someone else
00:33:21 [AaronSw]
and because there was a lot of grunt work (write ever single scale known to man forwards and backwards)
00:33:25 [AaronSw]
no, i play a little piano
00:33:32 [sbp]
oh yeah? So, what's a note, smart-guy
00:33:54 [sbp]
and for your intermediate question: a minim
00:33:57 [AaronSw]
It's a unit of sound.
00:34:30 [sbp]
and for your higher-intermediate: what's the major seventh in the key of G
00:34:38 [AaronSw]
a minim appears to be 1/60 of a fluid dram or a half note
00:34:44 [sbp]
heh, heh
00:34:55 [AaronSw]
except in britain where it's 1/20 of a scruple
00:35:03 [AaronSw]
i've got no minims!
00:35:13 [sbp]
You Americans are so unscrupulous
00:35:28 [sbp]
go to the shop, lay your money down...
00:35:34 [AaronSw]
major seventh in the key of G -- yeah, gruntwork
00:35:57 [sbp]
I actually let you off lightly, there
00:36:50 [AaronSw]
it's weird listening to the tivo-echo.
00:37:04 [AaronSw]
they have the game on two tvs, one tivoed and one not.
00:37:05 [jeremiah]
huh
00:37:07 [jeremiah]
oh
00:37:25 [sbp]
we have the same thing with digital and regular
00:38:17 [sbp]
"and today, we find that many fishes bask in electric" [turn over] "we find that many back in electric pencil..."
00:38:17 [jeremiah]
downstairs we have surround-sound
00:38:20 [jeremiah]
up here we have normal tv
00:38:30 [sbp]
er... I screwed that up, but you get the gist
00:39:01 [AaronSw]
so in surround sound does John Madden start pacing all around you?
00:39:03 [jeremiah]
I can feel the superbowl's sound under my feet
00:39:09 [jeremiah]
I dunno
00:40:13 [BenSw|watchingsuperbowl]
everyone makes too much of a fuss over the superbowl in my opinion
00:41:55 [jeremiah]
hey you're the one watching it
00:41:55 [jeremiah]
:)
00:44:17 [BenSw|watchingsuperbowl]
The commercials this year aren't very good
00:44:33 [BenSw|watchingsuperbowl]
Thats all that matters
00:44:38 [BenSw|watchingsuperbowl]
imo
00:44:46 [sbp]
is that all you watch it for? heh
00:45:18 [wmf]
* wmf is not watching
00:45:20 [sbp]
I like the one on The Simpsons. If that's indicative of the Superbowl commericials, I'm sold
00:46:17 [wmf]
* wmf loads his shotgun
00:46:22 [BenSw|watchingsuperbowl]
Last year had some good commercials but this year the companies found out that they would come up as WORST SUPERBOWL COMMERCIAL so all these ones are making fun of what is going to happen tommoow
00:47:40 [jeremiah]
wmf: you in texas?
00:47:44 [wmf]
Austin
00:53:55 [BenSw|watchingsuperbowl]
* BenSw|watchingsuperbowl laughs at the topic
00:54:03 [BenSw|watchingsuperbowl]
its from UHF
00:54:08 [jeremiah]
* jeremiah explains that although he has no problem with the brits, he does come from irish heritage, and therfore finds it necessary to make fun of them at all costs (apologies to sbp)
00:54:26 [sbp]
* sbp is part Irish
00:54:32 [jeremiah]
sbp: right on
00:54:41 [jeremiah]
* jeremiah is part German
00:54:48 [sbp]
heh, heh
00:55:28 [karld]
karld (~karld@macy.Stanford.EDU) has joined #swhack
00:55:48 [AaronSw]
hey karld
00:55:59 [BenSw|watchingsuperbowl]
wb karld
00:56:03 [karld]
hey aaron
00:56:09 [sbp]
*sigh* I guess I have to go through the house-rules crap
00:56:36 [sbp]
this channel is instantly publically logged to the Web. To make an off-log comment, please prefix your comment with "# ". Have a nice day
00:56:57 [AaronSw]
we need butler bot
00:57:00 [sbp]
and welcome :-)
00:57:00 [AaronSw]
gotta run - dinner
00:57:08 [wmf]
you should be able to automate that with a bot
00:57:12 [sbp]
yeah. Perhaps you can rig xena up to do that
00:57:21 [sbp]
or have it as the channel notification thingy
00:58:57 [sbp]
Hmm... there was something on Wiki about USA vs. UK
00:59:13 [sbp]
it ended up with a stark comparison of baseball and cricket
00:59:53 [jeremiah]
it should have compared football and football
00:59:55 [jeremiah]
:)
00:59:58 [sbp]
:-)
01:00:13 [sbp]
a closer comparison is American Football and Rugby
01:01:36 [BenSw|watchingsuperbowl]
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* AaronSw` waves
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01:03:14 [wmf]
now children...
01:04:40 [AaronSw`]
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01:04:45 [sbp]
wb Ben
01:04:47 [AaronSw`]
Hmm, only 3 people in #superbowl
01:05:00 [AaronSw`]
Do I look like Ben? He tried to quit, I stole the computer.
01:05:08 [sbp]
indeed
01:05:45 [sbp]
it's difficult to tell, y'know :-)
01:07:20 [sbp]
so, karl: interested in the Semantic Web?
01:08:16 [AaronSw`]
.google "(karl d'adamo"
01:08:17 [xena]
"(karl d'adamo": http://www.semanticweb.org/SWWS/program/position
01:08:45 [sbp]
that'll be a "yes", then
01:09:23 [karld]
very much so actually, osrry i was away for a few minutes
01:09:35 [sbp]
np
01:09:53 [sbp]
what kind of application domains are you focussed upon?
01:10:53 [karld]
i don't have a focus, but i think that indexing and managing content are the most interesting
01:11:09 [sbp]
have you heard of Plex?
01:11:13 [karld]
i guess they are kind of the most obvious and probably will be the first round of applications
01:11:14 [sbp]
http://plexdev.org/
01:11:24 [sbp]
yeah
01:11:33 [karld]
yes, i have heard of the plex...very cool idea...exactly what i meant
01:13:34 [sbp]
may I ask how you came across #swhack (just for interest - we don't get a great deal of visitors, and it's nice to know how word got about)?
01:14:25 [karld]
i think from aaronsw maybe via rdfig
01:14:39 [sbp]
cool
01:14:54 [AaronSw`]
really?
01:15:21 [AaronSw`]
We need to do some referer tracking and stuff.
01:15:25 [karld]
i don't remember actually, i rarely use irc anyway
01:15:30 [AaronSw`]
"Visit #swhack and ask for JUDY"
01:15:36 [karld]
yes, that would be interesting
01:15:40 [sbp]
heh, heh
01:15:55 [karld]
really, i am in love with xena
01:16:05 [karld]
that's why i come back every time
01:16:09 [AaronSw`]
Heh, heh.
01:16:24 [sbp]
lol
01:16:47 [AaronSw`]
Apparently there's a xena feature tav hasn't told us about/
01:16:57 [sbp]
what is it? :-)
01:17:28 [AaronSw`]
unfortunately i'm on the wrong computer to look right now.
01:17:37 [wmf]
that's tav's plan! he will take over the world using a back door in xena after everyone adopts it!
01:17:44 [sbp]
.newfeatures
01:17:55 [wmf]
it's just like Dissembler and the Black Plan...
01:18:17 [AaronSw`]
What book is this?
01:18:25 [wmf]
The Star Fraction
01:19:51 [sbp]
Google doesn't seem to have archived any of #swhack 2002 yet
01:21:13 [AaronSw`]
It's because Eric is waiting to "add more recency to the index"
01:21:14 [sbp]
heh
01:21:14 [wmf]
you need to bribe jill
01:21:14 [AaronSw`]
I tried that already.
01:21:14 [AaronSw`]
" Ken MacLeod is the greatest living Trotskyist libertarian cyberpunk science-fiction humorist. It's a safe claim to make, because he is undoubtedly the only such creature. " - http://www.salon.com/books/feature/1999/07/27/macleod_interview/
01:21:14 [sbp]
you need to bribe her with hotdogs or something
01:21:21 [sbp]
heh, heh
01:22:13 [sbp]
he won "two Prometheus awards for best libertarian science fiction novel"? Get outta here!
01:22:36 [wmf]
that sounds like a good desription
01:22:44 [sbp]
"""But his next most favored spot is "alt.politics.socialism.trotsky"""" - pff, no mention of #swhack
01:23:52 [AaronSw`]
lol
01:23:52 [AaronSw`]
It'd be sort of funy if it turned out it was our Ken MacLeod who posted there.
01:24:44 [sbp]
ah
01:25:07 [sbp]
* sbp smacks self with a book
01:25:16 [AaronSw`]
"The Star Fraction"?
01:25:23 [sbp]
not on my shelf
01:26:07 [AaronSw`]
I bet Wes will lend it to you.
01:27:39 [wmf]
sure, I'll lend it to anyone who wants to come pick it up
01:28:07 [sbp]
Aaron can go and fetch it for me, and then bring it to me the next time he's over here
01:29:08 [AaronSw`]
Paul McCartney is making fun of the announcers on TV.
01:29:20 [AaronSw`]
This is really sad.
01:29:31 [AaronSw`]
They're trying to sing AHDN together.
01:35:31 [jeremiah]
yeah
01:35:53 [wmf]
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01:36:31 [wmf]
I hate it when Terminal dies for no reason
01:37:22 [jeremiah]
it's rebelling
01:39:01 [jeremiah]
that's like the 5th mlife commerical now
01:39:13 [AaronSw`]
terminal: same here. it's really annoying
01:39:54 [jeremiah]
I like it more when mozilla or my editor crashes
01:40:09 [jeremiah]
I think it's time for a shower
01:40:10 [jeremiah]
* jeremiah is away: I'm busy
01:40:26 [AaronSw`]
That never happens to me, since I don't use mozilla
01:46:42 [AaronSw`]
goin' back upstairs.
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01:49:39 [AaronSw]
'Wes' would make a funny McCusker character.
01:50:24 [wmf]
:-)
01:59:50 [wmf]
so what would this 'Wes' character always be going on about?
02:04:59 [sbp]
who knows
02:09:11 [AaronSw]
Hmm, my TiVo downloaded ads for the TiVo Series2
02:09:46 [sbp]
heh, heh
02:09:54 [sbp]
"upgrade me!"
02:10:13 [wmf]
you say you want a tivolution...
02:10:36 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw has a tivolution t-shirt
02:14:32 [wmf]
it's not really clear from the site what the advantage of series 2 is
02:16:06 [AaronSw]
one of the ads is labeled "how to explain tivo to your friends"
02:16:14 [wmf]
uh oh
02:16:19 [wmf]
viral marketing
02:16:30 [wmf]
just don't let it show you any bitmaps :-)
02:16:48 [AaronSw]
"Mom, I know this is hard for you to take, but i've joined th 'tivolution'."
02:17:00 [wmf]
* wmf blogs AaronSw
02:17:19 [AaronSw]
Heh, heh.
02:19:11 [AaronSw]
lol: "he was such a good boy"
02:19:42 [AaronSw]
Can you capitalize the i in I've for me?
02:21:32 [wmf]
oh, my inner english teacher missed that one
02:22:02 [wmf]
next thing you know he'll be writing for TiVo International
02:22:41 [AaronSw]
It seems the Series2's big feature is that it's "Enabled for future services in home entertainment, including digital music, photos and more"
02:23:42 [AaronSw]
It's also "smaller and sleeker, offers greater recording capacity (up to 60 hours), and includes a new remote control with increased functionality. It's all-new from the ground up."
02:23:56 [AaronSw]
Ooh! Two USB ports built-in.
02:25:56 [AaronSw]
Heh, mlife.org is the meaning of life website
02:26:26 [wmf]
mLife is not the meaning of life
02:26:37 [AaronSw]
"Mlife is your life made truly mobile," Zeglis told analysts gathered in Redmond, Wash.
02:26:42 [AaronSw]
- http://www.eweek.com/article/0,3658,s%253D1884%2526a%253D22186,00.asp
02:27:49 [wmf]
netspend had a similarly vague ad campaign
02:28:21 [AaronSw]
"netspend is your life made truly mobile"
02:28:30 [wmf]
no, not quite
02:28:39 [AaronSw]
Is netspend that thing that lets your parents by you pr0n?
02:28:40 [wmf]
.google hackintern
02:28:41 [xena]
hackintern: http://www.stargoose.de/hackintern/hackintern.htm
02:28:45 [AaronSw]
s/by/buy/
02:29:06 [wmf]
no, it lets you use your allowance to buy anything but porn
02:29:15 [AaronSw]
"Ja ja, ich hab mir ziemlich viel Zeit gelassen, aber hier ist die versprochene Weiterführung von Hackintern."
02:32:06 [AaronSw]
Netspend seems to throw me into an infinite meta-refresh redirect. Aaaargh!
02:33:07 [wmf]
.google fourth international
02:33:07 [xena]
fourth international: http://www.w3.org/Conferences/WWW4
02:33:16 [wmf]
heh
02:33:53 [AaronSw]
IW3C2 has got to be the worst acronym I know of.
02:34:18 [wmf]
in Ken MacLeod's universe, the Fourth International is some kind of socialist conspiracy. coincidence? I think not
02:34:34 [AaronSw]
oooh.
02:36:13 [AaronSw]
"The Fourth International was founded by Trotsky in 1938. In 1953 it suffered a major split..."
02:36:49 [wmf]
the W3C is run by the Fourth International! I must inform the world!
02:37:12 [AaronSw]
...suffered a major split between the XML capitalists and the RDF socialists.
02:37:32 [AaronSw]
You just keep quiet about this wmf, or we're going to get TimBL on you.
02:37:39 [AaronSw]
Did you know TimBL's machine is named politburo.w3.org?
02:37:54 [wmf]
I know who TimBL works for. I fear nothing
02:38:33 [AaronSw]
That's what you say now, but just wait until webpages suddenly start changing their content.
02:39:10 [AaronSw]
He's had a backdoor in httpd and he's carefully maintained it thru all the Apache versions...
02:39:32 [wmf]
betty is immune
02:39:50 [AaronSw]
That's what you think.
02:40:57 [AaronSw]
Why do you think Dave got to have lunch with TimBL, eh?
02:41:06 [wmf]
no... it can't be...
02:41:55 [AaronSw]
I think you're starting to see just what you've gotten yourself into.
02:42:39 [AaronSw]
Notice how your "Publications" section has changed from "Really!" to "OK, not really." Just a small show of his influence.
02:42:55 [jeremiah]
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02:46:56 [sbp]
I wonder what the average length is of every URI indexed by Google?
02:47:31 [sbp]
.google average length of every URL indexed by Google
02:47:33 [xena]
average length of every URL indexed by Google: http://www.developersnetwork.com/Articles/Articles.asp?Article=56
02:48:28 [sbp]
Hmm... "swhack" gets only 726 results. Kinda surprising
02:50:09 [sbp]
wow, we got Voidstar'd: http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:www.voidstar.com/module.php%3Fmod%3Dblog
02:52:37 [sbp]
Hmm... http://www.neurogrid.net/servlet/com.neurogrid.prime.RDFServlet?URI=http://blogspace.com/swhack/weblog/
02:54:30 [AaronSw]
Heh.
02:55:12 [AaronSw]
meta_author should probably replaced with dc:author in that.
02:55:35 [sbp]
I think the whole thing is a bit messed up
02:59:21 [sbp]
@ http://www.guardian.co.uk/gall/0,8542,642599,00.html
02:59:32 [chumpster]
A: Guardian Unlimited | Gallery | Citigroup Private Bank photography prize 2002 index from sbp
02:59:44 [sbp]
A:|Citigroup Photography Prize 2002
02:59:46 [chumpster]
titled item A
03:05:51 [tansaku]
* tansaku puts up a sign saying "RDFServlet under construction"
03:06:26 [tansaku]
AaronSw: "meta_author should probably replaced with dc:author in that." kind of misses the point
03:06:39 [AaronSw]
no, since you already use a meta_description.
03:06:56 [AaronSw]
so it's the author, of the description, of the description, of the file?
03:07:24 [tansaku]
meta_author means the author of the description, but that meta_description could also contain dc:author
03:07:48 [tansaku]
which would mean that the meta_author sam was ascribing the author of the actual document to someone else, e.g. you
03:08:07 [sbp]
interesting: http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,3604,642792,00.html
03:08:34 [tansaku]
I'm certainly not suggesting that the way the RDFServlet is set up at present is perfect, but I think there is the necessity for a meta_author tag, at least superficially
03:09:14 [AaronSw]
ah, i understand.
03:09:51 [AaronSw]
yeah, reification might be simpler
03:10:21 [tansaku]
yeah, that RDFServlet output is from earlier experiments
03:10:52 [tansaku]
I then ran into problems with JENA not supporting different kinds of RDF concepts, such as reification, and then confusion about what encoding to use
03:11:33 [tansaku]
then other projects and christmas got in the way ... I'm just coming to some clear water again and should be able to get working on this interface again ...
03:12:05 [AaronSw]
Jena has to support reification, it's not really anything special.
03:12:17 [sbp]
[[[
03:12:18 [sbp]
Went to see Bagels and Fraylox at Aromas, a local coffe shop.
03:12:18 [sbp]
I'm not a member of the coffe shop crowd, it sorta scares me actually.
03:12:24 [sbp]
]]] - http://radio.weblogs.com/0001189/2002/02/03.html#a286
03:12:36 [sbp]
they don't let you in if you can't spell "coffee", anyway
03:12:37 [tansaku]
well yes, there's "has to" and "sam able to work out how to get Jena to support it"
03:12:41 [tansaku]
* tansaku has to go
03:12:47 [tansaku]
catch you guys later
03:12:49 [AaronSw]
:-) c'ya
03:12:50 [sbp]
c'ya
03:13:04 [sbp]
"Oh, and I really dig Jewish music." - Jeremiah
03:13:17 [AaronSw]
There's some good Klezmer out there.
03:13:25 [AaronSw]
.google "old world beat" mcdonalds
03:13:26 [xena]
no results found.
03:13:38 [AaronSw]
hmm
03:14:17 [sbp]
I'm hovering somewhere between "heavy rock" and "folk" at the moment. It's odd, but refreshing
03:14:54 [AaronSw]
Ah, it's called "Watch Your Step"
03:16:06 [AaronSw]
Amazon has a clip: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/clipserve/B00000035A001005/
03:18:24 [sbp]
heh! http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_511684.html?menu=news.quirkies
03:21:49 [AaronSw]
heh! http://www.pissart.org/
03:22:17 [sbp]
lol!
03:23:18 [AaronSw]
It "embodies the DIY culture in its most intimate & naive form."
03:23:37 [sbp]
oh dear, that's so funny
03:24:19 [sbp]
this is bizarre: http://www.restrooms.org/device-free.html
03:25:45 [sbp]
but is it art? :-)
03:26:04 [sbp]
Hmm... #sbp needs a WebLog
03:27:12 [sbp]
"each participant leaves his/her own colour
03:27:12 [sbp]
pH signature
03:27:13 [sbp]
"
03:27:51 [sbp]
blargh, I'm going to be writing one in Python, aren't I?
03:28:59 [sbp]
Hmm... but I'll need to FTP the junk onto the Web; that's going to be difficult to optimize
03:29:15 [sbp]
preferably, for each bit of new text, I only want to send that text, not the whole new page
03:30:01 [AaronSw]
Hey, if Blogger does it...
03:30:18 [sbp]
yeah, but I only have Python and ASP to work with
03:30:28 [AaronSw]
I mean Blogger uses FTP.
03:30:32 [sbp]
does it?
03:30:36 [AaronSw]
Yep.
03:30:40 [AaronSw]
You could just get a blogger account and use the Blogger API to do it.
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04:34:13 [sbp]
well, I have a working blogger bot in Python
04:52:00 [karld]
leave
04:52:06 [karld]
woops
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05:28:05 [AaronSw]
time to disappear: gotta get some work done
05:31:10 [sbp]
c'ya
05:35:01 [AaronSw]
Apple's big cost-cutting moves: With the CD-ROMs they send, they replaced the piece of paper that described what's on them with an advertisement and now send the description by email.
05:36:02 [sbp]
heh, heh
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05:42:53 [sbp]
Gotta run
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06:06:15 [AaronSw]
nite all
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.xena help
15:29:28 [kenm]
xena: help
15:29:32 [kenm]
xena help
15:29:44 [kenm]
xena: of what use are you?
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15:30:27 [deltab]
.commands
15:30:28 [xena]
valid commands:
15:30:29 [xena]
- +mask, -mask, access, acronym, act, babel, beats, billennium, c2f, change
15:30:30 [xena]
- commands, ctcp, date, dict, die, dns, dtrt, e, email, excuse
15:30:31 [xena]
- f2c, flight, foldoc, fortune, google, help, imdb, intelliquote, isotime, jargon
15:30:32 [xena]
- join, login, masks, modules, msg, news, news on, news source, nick, nickometer
15:30:33 [xena]
- part, pig latin, plexname, poker, quit, quote, raw, register, rfc, rot13
15:30:34 [xena]
- search, seen, server, servers, spell, status, symbol for, time, translate, unixtime
15:30:35 [xena]
- users, weather, webster, when did, whois, wn, zipcode, zope commands
15:30:46 [deltab]
gack
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18:38:17 [Morbus]
"Change 'email' to 'e-mail', and it looks perfect to me."
18:38:20 [Morbus]
* Morbus grumbles.
18:39:28 [AaronSw]
change 'grumbles' to 'retracts', and it looks prefect to me.
18:39:34 [AaronSw]
;)
18:39:39 [Morbus]
lol.
18:40:10 [Morbus]
you're in with the e-mail crowd too?
18:49:14 [AaronSw]
no, i'm with knuth on this one. it's email.
18:49:18 [sbp]
* sbp too
18:49:38 [AaronSw]
Anyone here had that problem where files disappear from your Finder windows on OS X?
18:50:44 [AaronSw]
Hmm, here's a patch for this bug in 1992's MultiFinder ;)
18:51:10 [Morbus]
bwahaha. what problem are you having?
18:51:36 [AaronSw]
If I open a folder, like /Applications, it'll appear to be empty or only have the apps that are currently open visible.
18:51:42 [AaronSw]
But you can see all the files in the terminal.
18:51:55 [Morbus]
ah. yeah, i saw that a lot in 10.0, but after i went to 10.1, it stopped happening.
18:52:00 [Morbus]
it was hella annoying.
18:52:12 [AaronSw]
It is indeed. Argh.
18:53:03 [sbp]
trouble in paradise?
18:53:39 [AaronSw]
I just miss the pretty graphics ;)
18:57:33 [sbp]
Gotta run
18:57:37 [AaronSw]
ah, it fixed itself
18:57:43 [Morbus]
AaronSw: , there's a python/cocoa article over at oRA>
18:57:51 [AaronSw]
Yeah, I chumped it.
18:57:59 [Morbus]
yeah, tahts what i would see too. if i just closed out the finder view, and reopened it, all files would be shown.
19:01:46 [deltab]
are there text labels with the icons?
19:03:52 [AaronSw]
Nope.
19:04:03 [AaronSw]
and the status bar says 0 items
19:04:23 [AaronSw]
I figure it's something with the .DS_Store files, I'd guess it's assuming they're all invisible.
19:04:24 [AaronSw]
"Yes, the money for my gasoline goes to fund monarchies with dismal human rights records, who in turn foment just the sort of anti-American fervor that leads to flight school -- but hey, it's cheap and my Esplanade is thirsty."
19:04:33 [Morbus]
i hate those flipping files.
19:07:41 [AaronSw]
heh, heh: http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/23922.html
19:07:52 [AaronSw]
'Chairman Gates "is really annoyed by the incredible pain we put everyone through in computing," Purcell is quoted as saying.'
19:08:00 [Morbus]
pfffff.
19:09:03 [AaronSw]
cool: http://www.oreillynet.com/~rael/archives/2002_02_03.shtml#000089
19:10:40 [AaronSw]
This is sick: 'Two shops in Vancouver were raided last week for selling counterfeit DVDs. Along with the standard "billions and billlions of dollars lost each year" figure, the Motion Picture Association lawyer trotted out the connection that the profits from the sale of these illegal DVDs may help fund organized crime and terrorists.'
19:11:01 [Morbus]
whaaa?
19:11:08 [Morbus]
that doesn't even begin t... sigh.
19:11:53 [deltab]
ooh, lenticular
19:12:06 [AaronSw]
where?
19:18:26 [Morbus]
did some decent stuff on amphetadesk this weekend.
19:18:29 [Morbus]
nothing too brilliant.
19:18:37 [Morbus]
mostly log file finagling and better error startup.
19:18:49 [Morbus]
and i know for a fact that my wrapper runtime will work on windows.
19:18:54 [Morbus]
did some quick testing this weekend.
19:20:17 [AaronSw]
Cool.
19:22:46 [Morbus]
code will be simpler by the time i get done with it though
19:22:58 [Morbus]
i fixed up a lot of module circularity, but still some remains.
19:23:04 [Morbus]
mostly in the "whcih OS are we using?" code.
19:25:53 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw finishes today's blogging and disappears to go to work
19:26:06 [Morbus]
where you bloggint o?
19:31:05 [AaronSw]
to radio.weblogs.com/0100663/ for now
19:31:14 [AaronSw]
Eventually, http://www.aaronsw.com/weblog/ I think.
19:31:23 [Morbus]
you paying for it?
19:31:27 [Morbus]
or going to pay for it?
19:31:35 [AaronSw]
I'm thinkin about it.
19:31:44 [AaronSw]
I think today I will investigate Zope blogging.
19:34:20 [Morbus]
plucky looks nice
19:35:08 [AaronSw]
Yeah, it's slow though. It seems ot be written in some weird Java thing.
19:35:56 [Morbus]
really? hmm. slower than ampheta?
19:35:59 [Morbus]
or radio?
19:36:10 [AaronSw]
It's not comparable, since they don't have GUIs.
19:36:11 [Morbus]
not opensource and will beocme shareware.
19:36:12 [Morbus]
dammit.
19:36:23 [AaronSw]
yeah. :)
19:36:25 [AaronSw]
err :(
19:36:30 [Morbus]
that stuff drives men uts.
19:36:34 [AaronSw]
Heh.
19:36:45 [AaronSw]
AaronSw has changed the topic to: <Morbus> that stuff drives men uts.
19:36:51 [Morbus]
heheh
19:36:59 [Morbus]
what's up with the weird block char?
19:37:06 [AaronSw]
block char?
19:37:14 [Morbus]
on win, i see the "i dunno how to display this char" square right before the <Mo
19:37:29 [Morbus]
to <Morbus> t
19:37:44 [AaronSw]
hm?
19:37:53 [Morbus]
i dunno
19:37:55 [AaronSw]
I don't see it.
19:38:04 [AaronSw]
Oh, maybe it's coloring.
19:38:50 [AaronSw]
what's the crtl key to background a process?
19:38:58 [Morbus]
&
19:39:00 [Morbus]
i thought.
19:39:06 [Morbus]
/bin/daemon &
19:39:08 [AaronSw]
no, one that's currently running
19:39:14 [Morbus]
oh. not a clue.
19:41:15 [deltab]
there isn't one
19:41:31 [AaronSw]
there's something that suspends it and then you type bg
19:41:34 [AaronSw]
you taught it to me
19:41:38 [deltab]
right, ctrl-z
19:41:42 [AaronSw]
Aha.
19:42:03 [AaronSw]
I hit Ctrl-S.
19:42:20 [AaronSw]
Which is very annoying.
19:45:40 [AaronSw]
The Zope photo product should be named Kai's Photo Zope
19:46:39 [Morbus]
heh, heh.
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19:48:25 [AaronSw]
hey kmacleod
19:48:27 [kmacleod]
hey
19:48:57 [kmacleod]
I can't tell from the rss-dev thread, was generatorAgent resolved?
19:49:16 [kmacleod]
Morbus?
19:49:31 [Morbus]
uh, right now, keareny's bitching about extra attributes in the PI.
19:49:39 [Morbus]
he seems to want to use <?generator agent=""?>
19:49:39 [kmacleod]
* kmacleod dang, forgot SF password
19:49:58 [Morbus]
hey, on a side note, you did know i was kidding about the whole "shooting my gf" crap, right?
19:50:00 [kmacleod]
only for 0.9x, rigth?
19:50:07 [Morbus]
i hope so.
19:50:13 [kmacleod]
I hope so too ;)
19:50:26 [Morbus]
since this whole discussion came up as a way to solve the comment thing, which was only happening in .9x
19:51:13 [kmacleod]
right, the "best" solution for 0.9x is a different thing than the "best" thing for 1.0, tho they need not be so wildly different
19:51:39 [Morbus]
right.
19:51:53 [kmacleod]
it kinda bugs me that 0.9x folks have to tippy-toe around and talk about using comments and PIs, but <sigh>
19:52:01 [AaronSw]
Hmm, why isn't links asking me for HTTP Auth info?
19:52:28 [Morbus]
kmacleod: i'd have to agree. if you need the extra data, upgrade.
19:53:05 [kmacleod]
or rather, "just do it"
19:53:26 [kmacleod]
requesting feeds/generators to add new tags should be a non-event
19:54:06 [AaronSw]
Indeed.
19:54:16 [kmacleod]
the fact that it isn't is telling about our current status :(
19:54:47 [AaronSw]
I think if people want to add a generator tag, they should just add it as a normal tag.
19:55:00 [kmacleod]
right
19:55:16 [AaronSw]
Does Kearney disagree?
19:55:37 [Morbus]
last i knew, kearney admitted that most clients didn't validate against the doctype.
19:56:01 [Morbus]
but his focus seems to be on somethign that works with them.
19:56:01 [kmacleod]
I doubt it.
19:56:34 [kmacleod]
ah, but He-Who-Must-Be-Catered-To doesn't author the DTDs, and thus coming up with a new one should also be a non-event
19:58:49 [kmacleod]
or is that not the problem either? /me is so confused now
20:01:00 [AaronSw]
don't look at me. i haven't been following
20:02:21 [AaronSw]
This is an interesting error:
20:02:21 [AaronSw]
Zope has encountered an error while publishing this resource.
20:02:22 [AaronSw]
Error Type: NameError
20:02:22 [AaronSw]
Error Value: global name 'Globals' is not defined
20:08:47 [kmacleod]
Morbus?
20:09:00 [kmacleod]
does wkearney hang out anywhere these days?
20:09:07 [AaronSw]
.seen wkearney
20:09:08 [xena]
wkearney seen changing nickname to wkearney_99 ~ 41 day(s) 22 hr(s) 35 min(s) 10 sec(s) ago
20:09:09 [Morbus]
last i saw him was on #syndicate
20:09:12 [AaronSw]
.seen wkearney_99
20:09:13 [xena]
wkearney_99 seen changing nickname to wkearney99 ~ 41 day(s) 22 hr(s) 29 min(s) 28 sec(s) ago
20:09:17 [AaronSw]
syndic8, you mean
20:09:18 [Morbus]
last i saw him was on #syndic8, rather
20:09:21 [AaronSw]
.seen wkearney99
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20:09:38 [kmacleod]
so that would be "no" ;)
20:10:36 [Morbus]
he responds quickly to personal email though
20:11:28 [Morbus]
.seen tav
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tav seen in #swhack saying: [ goodbye all ] ~ 5 day(s) 13 hr(s) 33 min(s) 8 sec(s) ago
20:11:30 [Morbus]
hrm.
20:11:43 [kmacleod]
I'll email then. this has been brought up enough times that if someone just wants to name the tag finally and get it over with, it should be done ;)
20:24:54 [AaronSw]
How does one undo a C-s?
20:26:09 [AaronSw]
Ah, C-q
20:33:42 [sbp]
* sbp has gone through reams of paper searching for an old comic strip
20:38:05 [AaronSw]
Hmm, most of the Zope weblog stuff is pretty sucky.
20:38:20 [Morbus]
heh, heh.
20:50:19 [AaronSw]
"Premature optimization is the root of all evil (or at least most of it) in programming." - Donald Knuth
20:50:37 [Morbus]
AaronSw: movable type is decent if you have perl on your box.
20:50:49 [kmacleod]
that fits in well with my msg on HTP the other day re. explicit typing ;)
20:50:51 [Morbus]
has bookmarklets, blogger api, etc.
20:51:17 [kmacleod]
doh! http://209.134.132.87/2001/05/mod_admin_draft.html
20:51:18 [AaronSw]
hmm, movabletype.com is owned by yahoo mail
20:51:37 [Morbus]
.org.
20:51:53 [AaronSw]
why doh?
20:51:53 [Morbus]
hey, did you hear this of authorize net and NS 6 (and preumably Moz?)
20:52:06 [Morbus]
[[[
20:52:07 [Morbus]
Why? AuthorizeNet requires that the browser sends a referer.
20:52:07 [Morbus]
And NS 6.2 doesn't send any referer. Technical support says 'It's
20:52:07 [Morbus]
industry standard for browsers to send a referer. It would mean
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that we had to change our gateway system because of the change
20:52:07 [Morbus]
of a browser.'
20:52:09 [Morbus]
]]]
20:52:26 [kmacleod]
"doh!" as in "we've done all the work already, really. No, REALLY!"
20:52:42 [AaronSw]
Heh, heh.
20:53:11 [AaronSw]
Google must have missed it too, because bitsko.slc went down.
20:53:18 [AaronSw]
Morbus, hmm -- manila requires referers
20:53:30 [Morbus]
someone else just said that NS 621 added referers.
20:53:31 [kmacleod]
:( I sent in a new form the other day, and it bounced. gotta find the real address
20:55:43 [Morbus]
my head hurts.
20:55:46 [Morbus]
i shoudl go see a chiropractor.
20:56:18 [AaronSw]
I used to get real bad neck and shoulder cramps
20:56:35 [AaronSw]
I realized the problem was that I'd lay my arms on my chair's armrests, which were too high for me.
20:56:44 [Morbus]
i don't have chair armrests :)
20:56:54 [AaronSw]
Heh. I ripped mine out.
20:57:16 [Morbus]
yeah, i had used to have chair armrests. they were just too confining.
20:57:42 [AaronSw]
I wonder if I can hook MT up to zope.
20:57:54 [Morbus]
like how?
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20:58:00 [Morbus]
with the blogger api?
20:58:06 [kmacleod]
have you ever played with WebWare for Python?
20:58:14 [AaronSw]
a little
20:58:24 [AaronSw]
hey J
20:58:42 [kmacleod]
eek, I've missed all today's email on this topic
20:58:52 [jeremiah]
hi aaron
20:59:16 [jeremiah]
http://www.redherring.com/insider/2002/0201/1289.html < great article
21:00:39 [sbp]
aha: <tim-not> I've taken on removing the "curried list" experiment where lists become properties which can generate new lists. It messed up cwm.
21:01:05 [jeremiah]
any work done on that networking code yet?
21:01:16 [AaronSw]
.seen zooko
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21:01:23 [jeremiah]
damn
21:01:23 [AaronSw]
I hope he's ok...
21:01:26 [jeremiah]
yeah
21:01:32 [jeremiah]
maybe he's just not using irc
21:01:34 [jeremiah]
.google zooko
21:01:35 [xena]
zooko: http://www.zooko.com
21:01:42 [AaronSw]
He's not updating his weblog either.
21:01:47 [jeremiah]
oh
21:04:15 [Morbus]
i dunno what's going on with mine.
21:04:22 [Morbus]
it may be set up this week. derrick should be back from the biocon.
21:04:35 [jeremiah]
with you rhwat?
21:04:43 [jeremiah]
"your what", weblog?
21:04:46 [Morbus]
yah
21:04:49 [jeremiah]
ok
21:09:16 [AaronSw]
.seen tav
21:09:16 [xena]
tav seen in #swhack saying: [ goodbye all ] ~ 5 day(s) 14 hr(s) 30 min(s) 56 sec(s) ago
21:13:19 [kmacleod]
odd, I've not *received* any of that email from rss-dev...
21:13:26 [jeremiah]
zooko mentioned network trouble
21:13:28 [jeremiah]
maybe that got him
21:14:18 [AaronSw]
maybe, but when i last spoke to him he got it resolved.
21:15:04 [jeremiah]
hmm
21:15:35 [jeremiah]
and he would be probably the best coder we could get for doing the networking, right?
21:15:55 [AaronSw]
Yeah, definitely.
21:16:15 [AaronSw]
He's got a lot of experience in distributed systems.
21:16:19 [jeremiah]
ok
21:19:19 [jeremiah]
* jeremiah is away: I'm busy
21:21:06 [Morbus]
hey, you mentioned me on your blog. i'm swooning.
21:21:16 [AaronSw]
heh, heh
21:25:48 [AaronSw]
oh, man, this is freakin' awesome! http://web.mit.edu/~dfhuynh/www/haystack/ozone_new.jpg
21:26:28 [Morbus]
whats this?
21:26:35 [AaronSw]
it's an rdf web browser.
21:27:21 [AaronSw]
>This message was sent using Haystack Personal Edition.
21:27:21 [AaronSw]
>Try Haystack Personal Edition free for 30 days!
21:27:23 [AaronSw]
>Go to http://haystack.lcs.mit.edu/ for more details.
21:27:28 [Morbus]
now i get to go through my daily folder, and all those with rss's i get to add to ampheta. yay.
21:27:59 [AaronSw]
Hm?
21:28:09 [Morbus]
i dont see a dl link.
21:28:24 [AaronSw]
Yeah, me neither.
21:28:33 [AaronSw]
I think it may be a joke.
21:28:47 [Morbus]
whyzzat?
21:29:04 [AaronSw]
i mean the bit about a "trial version" and $999.99 to upgrade.
21:29:16 [Morbus]
yeah, i saw that too.
21:29:20 [AaronSw]
"The screen you see is described in metadata and rendered using our slide engine. The news is real news. And if you stop typing for a second, you can smell the roses, too."
21:29:42 [Morbus]
* Morbus adds aaron to amphetadesk.
21:30:04 [AaronSw]
"We guarantee to grow your data daily by 200%. If you think you have too much data to handle now, wait until Haystack deduces new data for you!"
21:30:12 [Morbus]
heh.
21:30:13 [AaronSw]
why didn't you add me before?
21:30:40 [Morbus]
i had seen your site when you first got RU, but didn't know you were actively blogging. thought it was more of a test bed.
21:30:47 [AaronSw]
ah
21:31:03 [AaronSw]
i got a left-link from Dave.
21:31:20 [Morbus]
oOOO
21:32:11 [Morbus]
well, thats fucked up.
21:32:42 [Morbus]
your feed looks all weird in the "my channels" page of ampheta.
21:32:47 [AaronSw]
Hmm.
21:33:20 [Morbus]
oh, i know why.
21:33:22 [Morbus]
forget it.
21:33:29 [Morbus]
wow. another bug in the sucky "my channels" implementation. sigh.
21:35:19 [Morbus]
i'm thinking of eventually putting up a daily build version of ampheta.
21:35:29 [Morbus]
but that assumes i can devote taht much time to it. dunno if i can.
21:37:37 [AaronSw]
TVBarn is using SYP: http://www.tvbarn.com/rss/rss.html
21:37:47 [Morbus]
heh, heh <G>
21:38:01 [Morbus]
i got an email about julian's rssify and tvbarn.
21:38:16 [Morbus]
that page has no title, so ampheta wasn't reading it, so i got a complaint.
21:38:29 [Morbus]
jullian's looking int oit tomrrow, but we shifted the user off to your impl. instead ;)(
21:38:36 [AaronSw]
aha. :0
21:38:45 [AaronSw]
mine is much better anyway
21:38:46 [AaronSw]
;-)
21:38:53 [Morbus]
heheh.
21:39:29 [AaronSw]
That page would come out really ugly in Julian's last time i checked.
21:40:04 [Morbus]
didn't really look. i just started at the top, noticed the title was gone, and closed the browser ;)
21:40:22 [Morbus]
sigh, i'm two clicks away from deleting your rss.info page.
21:40:29 [Morbus]
update it with news, dammit! <g>
21:40:37 [AaronSw]
That's your job!
21:40:48 [Morbus]
what? it was ours, collectively! <G>
21:40:50 [AaronSw]
Spammer trick: "I'm hoping you can forward this email for me; I'm looking for the person in charge of marketing for your website but I'm not sure I have the correct address. Thanks."
21:41:09 [Morbus]
yup, got one of those.
21:41:12 [AaronSw]
yeah, but if i can pass that job off on someone else, then why should I do it?
21:41:25 [AaronSw]
;)
21:41:45 [Morbus]
* Morbus removes "newsfeeds" from my ampheta.
21:43:30 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw wonders if kearney has submitted every radio userland blogger to syndic8
21:43:52 [Morbus]
probably.
21:44:17 [AaronSw]
cool! Vincent Flanders has a radio blog! http://radio.weblogs.com/0101249/
21:44:25 [Morbus]
who's that?
21:44:32 [AaronSw]
Mr. Web Pages That Suck
21:44:35 [Morbus]
aaah.
21:44:57 [AaronSw]
<description>These are the Daily Suckers -- Examples of Bad Web Design -- from WebPagesThatSuck.com. I couldn't predict every new sucky design technique that would come along when I wrote the book because there's always a new way to do something bad. This page will keep you up-to-date. Live examples.</description>
21:46:50 [Morbus]
AaronSw: http://sourceforge.net/projects/zcomix/
21:46:52 [AaronSw]
Gates: "I just want you to know that I can write slicker and tighter code than John [Carmack]." That's a laugh! In BASIC, maybe...
21:47:20 [AaronSw]
ooh, thanks morb
21:47:52 [Morbus]
np
21:50:40 [kmacleod]
gotta run. ttyl
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21:53:12 [Morbus]
http://www.creo.com/sixdegrees/
21:54:09 [AaronSw]
Joel Spolsky needs Six Degrees, and he knows it.
21:54:14 [AaronSw]
</quote>
21:57:33 [AaronSw]
"Requires Mac OS X." - awesome!
21:58:40 [Morbus]
thats right :)
21:58:48 [Morbus]
i'm wondering if i should make amphetadesk require os x, so i can do threading.
21:59:10 [AaronSw]
Hmm, Perl doesn't have threading on OS 9?
21:59:21 [Morbus]
nope, there's no "fork" equiv.
21:59:34 [Morbus]
the best i can get is a queue system.
21:59:36 [AaronSw]
forking is diff. than threading
21:59:47 [Morbus]
welp, i meant forking.
21:59:55 [AaronSw]
Hmm.
21:59:55 [Morbus]
theres no stable threading in any perl.
22:00:05 [AaronSw]
aha
22:01:38 [AaronSw]
Does MT create actual HTML files to display?
22:01:45 [Morbus]
yup
22:02:02 [Morbus]
its static all the way for final content.
22:02:21 [AaronSw]
urgh.
22:02:42 [Morbus]
why urgh?
22:03:46 [AaronSw]
It makes it difficult to use it with Zope then...
22:03:59 [Morbus]
why's that?
22:04:14 [AaronSw]
because Zope uses it's own DB instead of the filesystem
22:04:24 [Morbus]
ah. well... hmm...
22:04:37 [Morbus]
mt uses a DBFile to keep all teh data in there.
22:04:42 [Morbus]
it generates the data from that dbfile.
22:04:50 [AaronSw]
plus i won't be able to do dynamic stuff, will i... like pulling in headlines from here.
22:04:50 [Morbus]
can py interact with DBFile?
22:05:02 [Morbus]
yeah, you can use php or ssi, or other cgi scripts, sure.
22:05:14 [AaronSw]
ah.
22:06:38 [AaronSw]
urgh. DB_File won't compile
22:06:50 [Morbus]
in py?
22:06:55 [AaronSw]
no, perl
22:07:19 [Morbus]
? dunno. i had MT running on my box before i did anything with it live.
22:07:42 [AaronSw]
version.c:30: db.h: No such file or directory
22:07:42 [AaronSw]
make: *** [version.o] Error 1
22:08:00 [Morbus]
dunno what that is.
22:19:50 [Morbus]
[[[
22:19:53 [Morbus]
REUTERS) A 7,000-pound U.S. spacecraft will fall from the sky with a few pieces of metal possibly landing as far north as Orlando, Florida to as far south as Brisbane, Australia. NASA said the Extreme Ultraviolet Explorer (EUVE) could re-enter the Earth's atmosphere as early as 10 p.m. EST January 30 or as late as 7 a.m. EST January 31, 2002. The map above shows the swath within which the satellite will fall. NASA expects the debris field to be betwee
22:19:53 [Morbus]
]]]
22:20:04 [Morbus]
http://poopoochoochoo.com/satellite_crash_map.gif
22:20:15 [AaronSw]
Tie '/usr/local/share/mt/db/blog.db' failed: No such file or directory
22:21:12 [AaronSw]
oh, i needed ot mkdir db
22:22:43 [Morbus]
@ http://av.con.ca/stuff/Generic_stuff/best_picture_ever.jpg
22:23:03 [chumpster]
B: http://av.con.ca/stuff/Generic_stuff/best_picture_ever.jpg from Morbus
22:23:16 [Morbus]
B:|Best... picture... ever!
22:23:17 [chumpster]
titled item B
22:23:43 [AaronSw]
Clearly this is not for me to understand.
22:24:35 [Morbus]
hehe, no, you're too young.
22:24:39 [Morbus]
man, i've always wanted to say that.
22:24:45 [AaronSw]
heheh
22:24:46 [Morbus]
<g>
22:25:29 [Morbus]
what the...
22:25:36 [Morbus]
i just got an error on your blogspace.com/swhack/weblog
22:25:42 [Morbus]
big long fucking error.
22:26:10 [AaronSw]
Tcl errors are rather verbose.
22:26:18 [Morbus]
oop. gone nowl
22:38:52 [Morbus]
man, my flippign head hurts.
22:39:16 [Morbus]
http://www.macminute.com/lib/020204xupdate.shtml
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23:28:21 [Morbus]
* Morbus works on amphetadesk.
23:50:05 [sbp]
* sbp works on his comic strip
23:55:07 [sbp]
actually, it's done, but it has a serious problem: it's not funny. Not even a little bit
23:55:07 [sbp]
according to all who have reviewed it, anyway
23:55:07 [sbp]
which is limited for the time being to my Mum and myself
23:55:07 [sbp]
in fact, I couldn't even come up with any new jokes, so they're just old jokes from like a year ago
23:55:08 [sbp]
*sigh*
23:55:58 [Morbus]
hey, is this a good error message: "No settings file was found. Please reinstall AmphetaDesk."
23:56:02 [Morbus]
?
23:58:10 [AaronSw]
Yeah, if you're a Microsoft programmer.
23:58:31 [AaronSw]
why do you need to reinstall for a simple settings file?
23:59:22 [Morbus]
you don't. i'm just ebing lazy. good point.
23:59:28 [Morbus]
its easy to make anyways.