IRC log of swhack on 2002-02-03

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01:04:10 [rillian]
So, I'm trying to name my Cocoa Ghostscript viewer/client
01:04:12 [rillian]
any ideas?
01:04:18 [rillian]
AquaGhost was shot down :)
01:04:44 [rillian]
actually, it was <echo style="dramatic">AquaGhost</echo>
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kiko
01:37:27 [gregos]
is there someone??
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oops, didn't notice him
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wb rillian
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* sbp listens to Reynardine
02:36:59 [sbp]
* sbp listens to Matty Groves
02:45:57 [sbp]
weird: http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_511166.html?menu=news.quirkies
02:49:59 [sbp]
heh:-
02:50:00 [sbp]
[[[
02:50:00 [sbp]
"Wow! RDF is so cool! You can say anything in
02:50:00 [sbp]
RDF! Everyone should us it!"
02:50:07 [sbp]
]]] - http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-webont-wg/2002Feb/0004
02:50:11 [sbp]
that Sandro...
02:50:23 [sbp]
in reply to http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-webont-wg/2002Feb/0002
02:56:07 [sbp]
* sbp works on the EARL 1.0 RDF Schema
03:14:43 [sbp]
new EARL 1.0 draft schema: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-er-ig/2002Feb/0007
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[Global Notice] Hi all. We'll be rerouting almost all of the network in one fell swoop in just a few moments. Expect some client flooding. Apologies for the inconvenience and thank you for using OPN!
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wb tansaku
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04:25:44 [sbp]
* sbp fiddles around with the infoset and Sands
04:25:46 [sbp]
Hi Wes
04:26:38 [BenSw]
wb wmf
04:28:05 [BenSw]
sbp: I've never seen you on for so long
04:28:41 [sbp]
heh, heh
04:29:24 [BenSw]
did you see me log on as BenSw|at|science|olypiad?
04:31:15 [sbp]
nope
04:31:28 [sbp]
.google "Science Olympiad"
04:31:29 [xena]
"Science Olympiad": http://www.soinc.org
04:31:51 [wmf]
ooh, Science Olympiad is fun
04:32:02 [tansaku3]
thanks BenSw
04:32:04 [BenSw]
well anyway its a competition and i won 1st place in one of the things egg drop
04:32:13 [wmf]
cool
04:32:30 [BenSw]
it was a invitational
04:32:41 [BenSw]
have you done that wmf
04:32:43 [BenSw]
?
04:32:57 [wmf]
yeah, I did it 7th-12th grade
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04:33:02 [BenSw]
lol
04:33:16 [BenSw]
what event?
04:33:33 [wmf]
a lot of them
04:33:48 [BenSw]
was egg drop one of them?
04:33:55 [wmf]
no, I never did egg drop
04:34:02 [wmf]
most of the events are different now
04:34:03 [tansaku3]
tansaku3 is now known as tansaku
04:34:16 [BenSw]
no wait it was naked egg drop back then
04:34:36 [BenSw]
it changed last year i think\
04:35:26 [wmf]
back in those days we didn't have any Web resources, either :-)
04:35:35 [BenSw]
lol
04:36:21 [wmf]
I loved mousetrap vehicles
04:36:29 [BenSw]
well im going bye
04:36:35 [wmf]
later
04:41:27 [jeremiah]
hello
04:41:32 [jeremiah]
hello wesley
04:41:37 [sbp]
Hi J
04:41:43 [jeremiah]
hey
04:41:51 [jeremiah]
hands cold, waiting for them to warm up a bit
04:41:55 [sbp]
busy in here, today...
04:42:00 [jeremiah]
ah, really?
04:42:02 [jeremiah]
* jeremiah is back (gone 22:21:40)
04:43:29 [sbp]
Hmm... is it fair to say that you can give an instance of the Element infoset class properties, even when it's just floating free in some RDF graph?
04:43:40 [sbp]
counter-intuitive
04:44:12 [sbp]
but I think so. I guess that schemata actually set constraints on the elements in just that way
04:44:46 [sbp]
except that for XML schemata, you get an infoset of the document, parse that infoset according to some rules, and then come up with some constraints on other infoset items
04:44:56 [sbp]
what a bundle of joy
04:45:58 [sbp]
I should write that up
04:46:32 [jeremiah]
sorry, I wasn't paying attention (lemme read it)
04:46:53 [jeremiah]
wow, I have no idea what you're talking about
04:47:01 [jeremiah]
I need to readup more on xml
04:47:10 [wmf]
don't worry, neither does anyone else :-)
04:47:22 [jeremiah]
heh
04:47:55 [jeremiah]
well, the thing is, I think xml is nice and grand, but I'd rather be working on other stuff, my personal view is that so many people spend so much time worrying about the data and how it can be universally read, but then never create applications that care
04:48:41 [jeremiah]
that didn't quite get my view across, maybe it's that I think people spend too much time worrying
04:50:45 [wmf]
yeah, we should be worrying about robots taking over the world instead
04:53:04 [jeremiah]
yeah
04:53:10 [jeremiah]
and giant tomatos that eat people
04:59:21 [sbp]
XML's not all that grand. Quite simple, really
04:59:43 [sbp]
well, some people argue that it's too complex
04:59:47 [jeremiah]
hmm
04:59:55 [jeremiah]
I think it's nice that every program can read each other's data
04:59:56 [sbp]
but it could have been worse. It could have been SGML
05:00:12 [sbp]
"read" and "understand" are two completely different things
05:00:15 [sbp]
parse and process
05:00:15 [jeremiah]
but I think a lot of programs need to break apart from that type of structure
05:00:20 [jeremiah]
EXACTLY
05:00:35 [jeremiah]
and I think that defining standards isn't always the way to go about it
05:00:38 [sbp]
well, use tab-delimited. You can still encode the XML infoset in tab-delimited RDF
05:00:49 [jeremiah]
I mean, just write the damn xml file and tell them how to understand it, don't form a standards body
05:00:51 [sbp]
well, you have to have standards to build tools to
05:01:04 [jeremiah]
yeah
05:01:10 [jeremiah]
I like a lot of the standards
05:01:13 [sbp]
that's the whole point of XML, it delegates the creation of languages to the people
05:01:22 [jeremiah]
and I don't think i've read up on a lot of them to have strong opininons
05:01:25 [sbp]
XML is a meta-standard, so that people can do what they want
05:01:32 [sbp]
uh huh
05:01:40 [jeremiah]
yeah
05:01:57 [jeremiah]
I just need a project that needs coders to do stuff
05:02:34 [sbp]
the thing I'm writing at the moment involves abstracting everything as much as possible, and then recording it so that it has preciser semantics. The benefits are (hopefully) that people will be able to create more accessible languages
05:02:43 [sbp]
the Plex needs coders to do stuff
05:02:56 [sbp]
s/recording/resplurging/
05:03:07 [sbp]
argh
05:03:08 [sbp]
.time
05:03:09 [xena]
2002/02/03 05:04:47.1452 Universal
05:03:13 [sbp]
no wonder :-)
05:03:29 [jeremiah]
yeah
05:03:38 [jeremiah]
I plan on helping with the plex as much as possible, actually
05:03:42 [jeremiah]
once I get cvs access
05:03:43 [sbp]
good, good
05:03:44 [jeremiah]
(cough)
05:03:46 [sbp]
heh, heh
05:03:53 [sbp]
* sbp doesn't have CVS access either
05:04:41 [jeremiah]
oh
05:04:42 [jeremiah]
odd
05:04:45 [jeremiah]
sort of
05:05:23 [jeremiah]
can you imagine though, I'm 16, what if I kept a weblog until I'm 80 and kept it public
05:05:24 [sbp]
I just send crap to Aaron, and he checks it in if he sees fit
05:05:31 [BenSw]
lo
05:05:32 [BenSw]
l
05:05:33 [jeremiah]
hey ben
05:05:36 [BenSw]
hello
05:05:43 [jeremiah]
aaron's brother I'd guess?
05:06:04 [sbp]
weblog for that amount of time: you'd be like a modern day Samuel Peyps
05:06:20 [BenSw]
yes but AaronSw wont be happy that i told you :-)
05:06:34 [sbp]
s/Peyps/Pepys/
05:06:50 [jeremiah]
* jeremiah does not know of this samuel
05:07:19 [sbp]
.google Samuel Pepys
05:07:20 [xena]
Samuel Pepys: http://www.hinchbk.cambs.sch.uk/original/pepys.html
05:08:52 [jeremiah]
I deleted some really old stuff, I should have kept it
05:09:08 [jeremiah]
old journals, but I have them for around a year now, i think
05:12:03 [sbp]
Gotta run
05:12:09 [BenSw]
bye tansaku
05:12:11 [BenSw]
sbp
05:12:13 [BenSw]
whoops
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05:48:14 [wmf]
BenSwX: are you Carbon or Cocoa?
05:48:42 [BenSwX]
hmm don't know what you mean
05:49:12 [wmf]
I assumed that if you port BenSw to OS X you get BenSwX :-)
05:50:03 [BenSwX]
lol
05:50:21 [jeremiah]
I think he's cocoa
05:50:44 [jeremiah]
it's a great programming environment to talk about, because everyone think's you're talking about your ghetto girlfriend
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06:45:23 [AaronSw]
Hmm. The Fountainhead is actually quite a good book.
06:45:33 [wmf]
uh oh
06:45:48 [AaronSw]
Ayn Rand is crazy, of course.
06:45:59 [wmf]
ah, ok
06:46:13 [AaronSw]
But it's almost like an archist 1984 or Brave New World, 'cept the last bit gets a little weird.
06:46:21 [AaronSw]
err anarchist
06:46:47 [wmf]
I haven't read any of her books, but her followers turn me off
06:47:34 [AaronSw]
Yeah, same here. But I figured I should read them so I could at least respond.
06:48:06 [AaronSw]
The major premise is how one man wants to build buildings that are fundamentally Right, in a world where people simply repeat the dreck that the media feeds them.
06:48:29 [wmf]
calling David McCusker! :-)
06:48:42 [AaronSw]
Heh, it made me think of him quite a bit.
06:49:29 [wmf]
the next time I go to meet tav, maybe I'll brind DavidMc along...
06:49:48 [AaronSw]
Ooh, I want to see that meeting. ;-)
06:52:47 [wmf]
have you read any nietzsche?
06:53:01 [AaronSw]
nope. just the quote in the preface.
06:53:16 [wmf]
a philosophy professor told me ayn rand is like nietzsche for the masses
06:53:39 [AaronSw]
Hmm.
06:54:53 [AaronSw]
Rand: "I removed [the quote] because of my profound disagreement with the philosophy of its author, Friedrich Nietzsche."
06:55:34 [AaronSw]
"Philosophically, Nietzsche is a mystic and an irrationalist."
06:55:57 [wmf]
well, I don't know since I haven't read both
06:58:46 [AaronSw]
comsic humor -- jer: "so this restuarant where I'm supposed to play a show in like 3 weeks got shut down for selling crack"
06:59:27 [wmf]
too bad; the band usually smokes for free :-)
07:00:47 [wmf]
so I found out why OS X is so slow
07:03:14 [AaronSw]
I wonder what kendall would think of Morbus' latest comments about his gf. ;-)
07:03:26 [wmf]
what? where?
07:04:26 [AaronSw]
why is OS X so slow?
07:04:33 [AaronSw]
this is like the secret to human happiness.
07:04:43 [AaronSw]
is it that the scheduler sucks?
07:04:47 [AaronSw]
Hmm, there's a rich quote about standards bodies in The Fountainhead.
07:04:59 [wmf]
did you see those lmbench numbers? something is going on in the kernel, and it ain't good
07:05:22 [AaronSw]
<Morbus> [17:42] why does keareny only respond when i'm at work?
07:05:22 [AaronSw]
<Morbus> [17:43] maybe he's fucking my girlfriend right now.
07:06:16 [wmf]
I'm not sure why kendall would care about bill kearney and mobus's gf
07:06:54 [AaronSw]
kendall was making fun of morbus' misogyny the other day
07:07:01 [AaronSw]
in the kernel? but how could it? it's open source -- that was supposed to cure all evils, right?
07:08:40 [AaronSw]
too bad the monkeyfist weblog doesn't have permalinks, or i'd link to it.
07:09:51 [wmf]
I've long wondered why Apple is keeping their Mach/BSD hybrid instead of just using the FreeBSD kernel
07:10:25 [AaronSw]
Maybe the NeXT folks just can't let go.
07:10:33 [wmf]
maybe
07:11:47 [wmf]
anyway, I think some profiling is in order
07:11:52 [AaronSw]
yikes! those lmbench numbers are quite something.
07:12:28 [wmf]
no kidding. I'd be embarrassed if it was my code
07:15:00 [AaronSw]
i'm embarassed just to run it
07:15:54 [wmf]
and between the new scheduler, new block layer, and the radix-tree page cache, linux 2.5 is looking good
07:18:30 [AaronSw]
now we just need a new linus, i guess
07:19:52 [wmf]
nah, linus will be fine after we get him off the rack (mwahaha)
07:21:39 [wmf]
larry macvoy's comments in the patch penguin thread are interesting
07:21:54 [wmf]
er, mcvoy
07:24:28 [wmf]
so do you think I'll ever get kicked off ETP.com?
07:24:53 [AaronSw]
Hmm, that's quite a question.
07:25:26 [wmf]
even though I'm high in the rankings, I have a lot fewer hits/day than the top sites
07:25:38 [wmf]
(Zipf's law at work)
07:25:54 [AaronSw]
I think you're on the lower ends of the list.
07:27:01 [wmf]
@ http://www.userland.com/mostReadSitesYesterday
07:27:09 [chumpster]
A: Most Read Sites Yesterday from wmf
07:28:50 [AaronSw]
by two orders of magnitude, it would seem.
07:29:10 [AaronSw]
what makes MattyG so popular?
07:30:52 [wmf]
@ http://themes.editthispage.com/stats/referers
07:30:58 [chumpster]
B: http://themes.editthispage.com/stats/referers from wmf
07:31:54 [AaronSw]
wow. quite a distribution
07:31:58 [wmf]
B::a very long-tailed distribution
07:31:59 [chumpster]
commented item B
07:32:05 [wmf]
B::all searches
07:32:06 [chumpster]
commented item B
07:32:16 [AaronSw]
B:|MattyG Referers
07:32:17 [chumpster]
titled item B
07:32:36 [AaronSw]
it's because dave links to him, i bet.
07:38:08 [wmf]
I am probably killing the servers by loading the referers page for each of the top sites
07:39:34 [AaronSw]
heh
07:43:59 [wmf]
DSR referers still loading...
07:46:31 [AaronSw]
.email me@aaronsw.com to read: the stone canal by ken macleod // via wmf
07:46:32 [xena]
email successfully sent.
07:46:52 [wmf]
DSR referers page finally loading...
07:47:16 [wmf]
it's awesome; I hope you like it
07:47:58 [wmf]
DSR referers still rendering...
07:48:07 [AaronSw]
Thanks. It'd be cool to read a Ken MacLeod book, if only because he always ruins my google searches.
07:48:15 [wmf]
heh
07:48:39 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw wonders if DSR's referers contain some deeply DSRs.
07:48:56 [wmf]
* wmf clicks the stop button
07:49:33 [wmf]
wow, it looks like the DSR referers page locked up OmniWeb
07:49:51 [AaronSw]
[cough] leakypeek
07:49:58 [wmf]
indeed
07:50:08 [wmf]
earlier today it leaked to 1GB
07:50:21 [AaronSw]
oh man!
07:50:29 [wmf]
serious pain
07:50:58 [wmf]
* wmf force quits omniweb
07:51:16 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw grabs referers in IE5
07:51:21 [AaronSw]
I couldn't resist.
07:53:04 [AaronSw]
wow, 1.4MBs.
07:54:10 [AaronSw]
that wasn't so bad.
07:54:29 [AaronSw]
and the number one referer is, at 51 points, http://google.yahoo.com/bin/query?p=dog+fucking&hc=0&hs=0
07:58:35 [wmf]
.news hack the planet 1
07:58:38 [xena]
PARC Modular Reconfigurable Robotics. - PARC Modular Reconfigurable Robotics.Thevideosare amazing. - http://www.parc.xerox.com/spl/projects/modrobots/
07:58:54 [AaronSw]
yeah, i was just watching the climbing one
08:00:08 [wmf]
* wmf is very sleepy
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* AaronSw notices the time
08:00:55 [AaronSw]
the fountainhead was really engrossing. i wonder what tav thinks of it.
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15:18:42 [AaronSw]
@ http://geoffreygrosenbach.com/plucky.html
15:18:50 [chumpster]
C: http://geoffreygrosenbach.com/plucky.html from AaronSw
15:18:58 [AaronSw]
C:|PluckyX Headline Grabber
15:18:59 [chumpster]
titled item C
15:19:58 [AaronSw]
C::A GUI RSS reader for the Mac OS
15:19:58 [chumpster]
commented item C
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@ http://philip.greenspun.com/politics/senate-testimony
16:16:26 [chumpster]
D: http://philip.greenspun.com/politics/senate-testimony from AaronSw
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16:26:13 [AaronSw]
D::"After 15 years of extensive promotion, only 20% of American households contain CD players. Only a small fraction of these chose to buy one equipped with the digital output necessary to make digital-to-digital copies."
16:26:15 [chumpster]
commented item D
16:30:31 [AaronSw]
D:|Philip Greenspun's Testimony Against the Audio Home Recording Act of 1991
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titled item D
16:32:27 [AaronSw]
D::See also Philip's [Tape Tax History|http://philip.greenspun.com/politics/tape-tax-history.html]: "November 1992: one day before he is voted out of office by the American people, George "No New Taxes" Bush signs the bill creating a new kind of tax, two new taxes, a new bureaucracy, and seven new legal causes of action."
16:32:28 [chumpster]
commented item D
17:07:51 [sbp]
* sbp catches up
17:08:12 [sbp]
Not much to catch up on. I'll check my mail instead
17:08:57 [sbp]
Not much of that, either
17:10:02 [sbp]
Pff, I'll go an eat instead
17:10:07 [sbp]
s/an/and/
17:12:47 [AaronSw]
Heh.
17:18:30 [sbp]
* sbp waves, with stuff cooking
17:19:24 [sbp]
* sbp decided that the constraints gathered by parsing XML Schemata are clearly not on actual instances of the infoset classes - that doesn't make the least bit of sense
17:19:51 [sbp]
the constraints must be separate, on things like xsd:Element, and then you'll have some rules to apply those constraints to your parsed XML document
17:20:46 [sbp]
which, when you think about it, is how XML schema validators must work. They parse an XML document into the store, then parse an XML schema document and check those constraints against the material in the store
17:21:39 [sbp]
So it must be possible to map both the infoset and the XML schema constraints onto the RDF model, and then apply rules for validation
17:22:15 [sbp]
although you'd have to be mad/paid to translate all of XML Schema into RDF
17:22:34 [sbp]
translating the obvious bits wouldn't be too difficult, I suppose...
17:24:33 [AaronSw]
Hmm, yesterday was Groundhog Day?
17:25:13 [sbp]
was it?
17:25:44 [sbp]
yeah, you're right
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17:33:51 [sbp]
good intro: """The purpose of a schema is to define a class of XML documents, and so the term "instance document" is often used to describe an XML document that conforms to a particular schema. In fact, neither instances nor schemas need to exist as documents per se -- they may exist as streams of bytes sent between applications, as fields in a database record, or as collections of XML Infoset "Information Items" -- but to simplify the primer, we have chosen to alw
17:35:30 [sbp]
Hmm... I don't think it's possible to reconstruct an XML document given its infoset representation
17:35:51 [sbp]
because the list of children for an element is an unordered list - so how would you reconstruct the order?
17:36:26 [sbp]
oops, my mistake: "An ordered list of child information items, in document order."
17:37:14 [sbp]
Pff, that was quite a misreading
17:40:16 [AaronSw]
This is really cool. Google adopted Kottke's design changes: http://www.google.com/news/newsheadlines.html
17:41:11 [sbp]
wow
17:41:40 [sbp]
that is impressive
17:45:19 [AaronSw]
D::I [wrote a letter to my congressman|http://logicerror.com/dmcaLetter] about the DMCA and music.
17:45:21 [chumpster]
commented item D
17:47:46 [sbp]
wow, you wrote your congressman? That's like the last resort, is it not? :-)
17:50:02 [AaronSw]
heh
17:54:25 [AaronSw]
AaronSw has changed the topic to: Badgers? We don't need no steenkin' badgers!
17:54:33 [AaronSw]
http://www.darryl.com/badges/
17:57:16 [sbp]
heh, that's quite cool. Don't forget to chump it
17:58:18 [AaronSw]
wacky: "Starting today, a variety of AM, FM, shortwave and Internet radio stations around the world will begin a broadcast of an automated voice reading the source for the Linux kernel -- all 4,141,432 lines of it. The estimated time to completion is nearly two years (by which point, presumably, the code will be obsolete and superceded by a more recent version)."
17:58:22 [AaronSw]
@ http://www.darryl.com/badges/
17:58:29 [chumpster]
E: Stinking Badges Home Page from AaronSw
17:59:10 [AaronSw]
E::via [Boing Boing|http://boingboing.net/2002_02_01_archive.html#9285201]
17:59:23 [chumpster]
commented item E
17:59:31 [AaronSw]
E::See also: the [FoRK FAQ's section|http://www.cs.caltech.edu/~adam/local/faq-fork.html#badges].
17:59:39 [chumpster]
commented item E
18:02:29 [sbp]
that is wacky indeed
18:25:12 [AaronSw]
"They say we can't visualize total nothing. Hell, sit at any committee meeting!" - Kent Lansing in The Fountainhead
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18:52:23 [AaronSw]
Etymology of FU: http://www.familychronicle.com/agincort.htm
19:36:51 [AaronSw]
I think instead of syaing HTP DG I'll just say FoWF
19:55:39 [AaronSw]
Hmm, PluckyX is really nice
19:57:43 [sbp]
PluckyX?
19:57:51 [AaronSw]
yeah, http://geoffreygrosenbach.com/plucky.html
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funky
20:00:02 [AaronSw]
it's like a GUI ampheta
20:02:24 [AaronSw]
Wes: "I think [human] evolution is over, because natural selection is over. Virtually everyone stays alive. I'm not complaining."
20:02:49 [sbp]
Pff, I've been saying that for years
20:03:08 [AaronSw]
Yeah, he was just commenting on this Guardian story which says it's highly controvertial: http://www.observer.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,644002,00.html
20:03:20 [AaronSw]
seems rather obvious to me, outside of the darwin awards, of course.
20:04:03 [sbp]
well, it's not over, but it's grinding to a halt, I think
20:04:38 [AaronSw]
I think the comments like "this is utopia" are rather off base. evolution isn't everything.
20:04:55 [sbp]
absolutely
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and this is probably wrong, too: 'Then, quite abruptly, these people were replaced by light, tall, highly intelligent people who arrived from Africa and took over the world. You simply cannot predict evolutionary events like this. Who knows where we are headed?'
20:05:23 [sbp]
current theories are that there was cross-breeding
20:05:36 [AaronSw]
yeah, it's a big controversy. i go for love over war.
20:06:48 [sbp]
interesting cro-magnon/neanderthal comparison: http://www.people.virginia.edu/~rjh9u/neander.html
20:07:26 [sbp]
ah, this is what I was searching for: http://www.flatlandbooks.com/gooch.html
20:09:20 [sbp]
Hmm... perhaps not
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20:10:16 [sbp]
That's quite a weird little article
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* sbp runs the Sands test
20:23:52 [sbp]
ugh, CWM really seems to barf up parsing of an external document
20:24:02 [sbp]
it's adding the semantics to the store even when I don't want it to
20:30:08 [AaronSw]
Cool! People are making other OS X themes.
20:33:53 [sbp]
Hmm... is the sands:Element class the class of all constraints upon members of the infoset:Element class?
20:34:37 [sbp]
here's what I have:-0
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s/0//
20:34:37 [sbp]
[[[
20:34:37 [sbp]
sands:Element a rdfs:Class; rdfs:label "Element";
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rdfs:comment "The class of all constraints on infoset elements";
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rdfs:seeAlso infoset:Element . # sands:constraintClassOf
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]]]
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20:42:43 [AaronSw]
Hey wes.
20:43:32 [AaronSw]
If a MacOS X app had to quit because of an uncatched OutOfBoundsException, does that mean it's in Java?
20:44:01 [wmf]
maybe
21:36:03 [AaronSw]
Where's Morbus? He could get more free stuff with his Apache skillz: http://radio.weblogs.com/0001192/2002/02/03.html#a20
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21:38:50 [AaronSw]
hey jer
21:38:52 [jeremiah]
hey
21:38:58 [AaronSw]
hmm, you might know the answer to this: http://radio.weblogs.com/0001192/2002/02/03.html#a20
21:40:09 [jeremiah]
interesting
21:40:56 [jeremiah]
I think I know what he's asking
21:41:30 [jeremiah]
I never recalled .htaaccess using users and groups though, i thought it used a custom file, so you would have to tie it into the login system, which would prob require custom code
21:43:04 [AaronSw]
Hm.
21:43:49 [AaronSw]
I think he would like anyway of restricting users.
21:45:57 [jeremiah]
maybe I'll email him
21:46:36 [jeremiah]
but I'm sure there are other people emailing him who know signifigantly more about it
21:51:20 [jeremiah]
what do you use for your irc, and if so, how do you have it notify you when there are new messages?
21:52:51 [AaronSw]
I use Snak for OS X and hit has little red lights go on when someone speaks. xchat too.
21:53:02 [jeremiah]
ok
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brb. switching dirc instance to vorpal.
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wb
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wb^2
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Aaron is now known as AaronSw
22:04:20 [AaronSw]
well that was fun.
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* AaronSw works on his new homepage
22:28:23 [sbp]
new homepage?
22:28:55 [AaronSw]
yeah, i'm redesigning it with the read/write/collaborate theme
22:29:05 [sbp]
ah
22:29:27 [sbp]
into which category would you splonk Sands?
22:30:02 [AaronSw]
read
22:30:14 [sbp]
rationale?
22:30:45 [AaronSw]
Sands provides semantics about XML, which makes it repurposable, which is essentially a form of making it easier to read.
22:31:54 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw wonders what photo to use.
22:32:13 [sbp]
Hmm... tenuous link, but I'll take it!
22:32:39 [sbp]
I think it makes it easier to test (for accessiblity etc.), which makes it both easier to read and writ
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blargh
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write
22:33:05 [sbp]
Windswept, perhaps
22:33:10 [sbp]
I like the doorknob one, though
22:33:16 [AaronSw]
Yeah, I was wondering if I look a little too smug in windswept.
22:33:33 [sbp]
Heh, heh
22:33:45 [sbp]
Just provide a comical caption
22:33:46 [AaronSw]
I don't see how making things easier to test makes them easier to write. I guess testing is a writer's tool...
22:34:17 [sbp]
well, you can automatically derive labels for authoring tools, for instance
22:34:33 [sbp]
ooh, that's quite a good use case... Chaals has been ranting about that for ages
22:36:16 [AaronSw]
Oh, I had a cool little mirror project photo from London I could use.
22:39:09 [AaronSw]
you know, adjusting the little icon slider in the Mac OS X finder is almost as good as iPhoto
22:40:25 [AaronSw]
Hmm, the London photos make me look really silly.
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22:43:32 [sbp]
do a negative/black & white or something
22:43:56 [AaronSw]
when in doubt... take another
22:44:08 [sbp]
or that
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* AaronSw gets a profile shot with eerie green monitor glow
22:58:51 [AaronSw]
Hmm, I look too much like an evil witch.
22:59:31 [sbp]
lol
22:59:54 [AaronSw]
and my brother looks like a character from Shrek.
23:02:10 [sbp]
wow: """At Google, for example, we found it costs less money and it is more efficient to use DRAM as storage as opposed to hard disks -- which is kind of amazing. It turns out that DRAM is 200,000 times more efficient when it comes to storing seekable data.""" - Eric Schmidt
23:03:28 [AaronSw]
yeah
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is appleinsider down?
23:11:04 [AaronSw]
.http://www.appleinsider.com/
23:11:12 [AaronSw]
Hmm, Paul McCartney is on TV for some reason.
23:12:23 [AaronSw]
i can't get to it, wmf
23:12:40 [AaronSw]
5 packets transmitted, 0 packets received, 100% packet loss
23:12:43 [wmf]
me neither
23:12:56 [AaronSw]
Must've been Steved.
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I want my mindless-apple-speculation fix!
23:13:19 [AaronSw]
"MacNN is currently experiencing technical difficulties. As a result, the Macintosh News Network and its subsidiaries have been unavailable for the past 24 hours. MacNN will continue to offer weekend news coverage; many MacNN services will remain unavailable. We expect most issues to be resolved at the beginning of the work week." - macnn.com
23:13:34 [wmf]
oh
23:19:03 [AaronSw]
PGP Fingerprint: 4FAC 4838 B7D8 D13F A6D9 2EDB 4145 521E 79F0 DF4B
23:20:06 [sbp]
another sands draft: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2002Feb/att-0003/01-index
23:24:13 [xena]
error: [Errno socket error] (110, 'Connection timed out')
23:39:21 [sbp]
* sbp announces Sands to RDF IG, since it seems to have some bearing on the current infoset thread
23:44:16 [sbp]
Pff, why does the W3C's list archiving deeley prepend "01-" to attachments?
23:44:44 [sbp]
given that they have their own directories!
23:55:27 [AaronSw]
too annoy you, i suspect ;)
23:55:33 [sbp]
indeed
23:56:26 [AaronSw]
"we cna constrain"?
23:56:39 [sbp]
yeah. Superglue
23:57:16 [sbp]
What, you want me to check my documents for typos before I send them? No way, nark!
23:57:54 [sbp]
Homer: Free the Springfield two!
23:58:03 [AaronSw]
how'd you make the graphics?
23:58:12 [sbp]
RDF Validator
23:58:29 [sbp]
and Irfan View
23:58:53 [AaronSw]
Irgan View?
23:58:58 [AaronSw]
.google irfan view
23:58:59 [xena]
irfan view: http://www.irfanview.com
23:59:30 [AaronSw]
neat
23:59:43 [sbp]
it is indeed
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"IrfanView is a very fast FREEWARE (for non-commercial use)
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32-Bit graphic viewer for Windoze 9x/ME, WinNT, Win2000 and Windows XP.
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"