IRC log of swhack on 2002-01-31

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00:03:03 [muse]

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00:03:16 [muse]

hello

00:03:59 [Morbus]

inspire me!

00:07:13 [muse]

hehe.. breathe

00:10:49 [sbp]

heh, heh

00:11:08 [sbp]

BTW, this is a publically archived channel - all stuff here goes up to the Web instantly

00:11:23 [sbp]

to say something off-log, prefix your comments with "# "

00:11:36 [sbp]

and welcome

00:12:08 [muse]

that would do it.. ugh.. then I have to remember how to tell him to reset all that.. Maybe they were messing with the internet settings...

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00:12:32 [sbp]

um...

00:12:46 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw giggles

00:18:23 [Morbus]

huh?

00:18:35 [Morbus]

heheh. weirdo.

00:18:41 [Morbus]

i dunno, but he wasn't very inspiring.

00:19:43 [sbp]

nope. Poor show

00:20:06 [sbp]

(s)he should sit in the classical pose for a while

00:20:42 [Morbus]

oh yes. then it'd be retrospective,

00:22:12 [Morbus]

heh: http://www.oreillynet.com/cs/user/view/cs_msg/5847

00:23:38 [sbp]

heh!

00:29:29 [sbp]

this ERT conference is becoming quite bizarre:-

00:29:30 [sbp]

<wendy> yes, i'm actually a frog.

00:29:40 [Morbus]

* Morbus sends wendy a kiss.

00:29:56 [AaronSw]

.time

00:29:56 [xena]

2002/01/31 00:31:34.8475 Universal

00:29:58 [sbp]

heh, heh

00:38:55 [xena]

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00:39:02 [Morbus]

wheeee!

00:39:06 [Morbus]

AaronSw's a jerk!

00:39:13 [Morbus]

sbp ate his father!

00:39:21 [Morbus]

morbus likes dead people!

00:39:21 [AaronSw]

umm, logger is still here

00:39:22 [Morbus]

whoOoo!

00:39:31 [AaronSw]

logster that is

00:39:33 [Morbus]

oh. i forgot that this wasn't #sbp.

00:39:35 [Morbus]

heh.

00:39:37 [AaronSw]

heh

00:40:00 [Morbus]

lol. man, that's funny

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00:43:39 [sbp]

lol!

00:43:49 [Morbus]

:)

00:48:26 [AaronSw]

laters: dinner

00:48:35 [Morbus]

bless ya

01:06:27 [sbp]

<sbp> opinions about HTTP extensions tend to Vary

01:06:27 [sbp]

<sbp> wow, that was awful. Sorry

01:06:28 [sbp]

<nick_kew> aaargh!

01:14:09 [AaronSw]

lol

01:14:10 [GabeW]

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01:14:32 [AaronSw]

hey GabeW

01:14:41 [GabeW]

hey AaronSw

01:17:47 [sbp]

hey GabeW and AaronSw

01:17:57 [Morbus]

hey sbp GabeW and AaronSw

01:18:37 [sbp]

hey Morbus

01:18:40 [GabeW]

hey Morbus sbp AaronSw

01:21:21 [AaronSw]

http://www.yourrevolutionisbanned.com/

01:21:32 [AaronSw]

Powerful.

01:22:34 [sbp]

good news

01:22:45 [AaronSw]

What?

01:22:51 [sbp]

it got banned

01:23:16 [AaronSw]

Why's that good news? [I think I know the answer, but for the record...]

01:23:29 [AaronSw]

@ http://www.yourrevolutionisbanned.com/

01:23:39 [sbp]

the Website blurted music at me => I don't like the Website or anything affiliated with it

01:23:41 [chumpster]

A: http://www.yourrevolutionisbanned.com/ from AaronSw

01:23:51 [AaronSw]

it blurted music at you?

01:24:05 [AaronSw]

i guess it doesn't lik eme.

01:24:16 [sbp]

it doesn't seem to like me either!

01:24:39 [AaronSw]

A:|"Your revoluition will not happen between these thighs" banned by the FCC

01:24:41 [chumpster]

titled item A

01:24:44 [sbp]

what did you think that the answer was?

01:24:49 [AaronSw]

A::via [MonkeyFist|http://monkeyfist.com/DailyChurn/]

01:24:50 [chumpster]

commented item A

01:24:59 [AaronSw]

I thought it was that they'd get a lot of publicity because of it.

01:25:21 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw gets it off of AG

01:25:43 [AaronSw]

A::There's [a New York Times article|http://www.nytimes.com/2002/01/30/arts/30STAT.html] on her suit against the FCC.

01:25:45 [chumpster]

commented item A

01:25:48 [GabeW]

http://www.bigfoot4x4.com/

01:25:50 [GabeW]

Powerful

01:25:54 [GabeW]

hehehehehe

01:26:18 [sbp]

ListOfReasonsWhyYourRevBeingBannedIsGood.append("they'll get a lot of publicity because of it")

01:26:38 [GabeW]

yeah, but I'm having a hard time seeing this being obscene

01:27:02 [sbp]

why did they ban it?

01:27:13 [AaronSw]

It was supposedly "indecent".

01:27:57 [GabeW]

from the complaint: 8. The rap song "Your Revolution" contains unmistakable patently offensive sexual

01:27:57 [GabeW]

references

01:28:02 [sbp]

heh!

01:28:15 [sbp]

perhaps I've been desensitized, but I've heard a lot worse

01:28:19 [GabeW]

considering the entire song, the sexual references appear to be

01:28:19 [GabeW]

designed to pander and shock and are patently offensive

01:28:35 [sbp]

and anyway, look at all the cool stuff that was banned in the past for being "indecent"

01:28:45 [sbp]

and who the fuck are they to say what's indecent or not?

01:28:51 [sbp]

what an absolute pile of bollocks

01:29:25 [sbp]

but who cares

01:29:29 [GabeW]

it actually seems rather arbitrary that this would be censored but not some of the pop songs mentioned in her song

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01:31:12 [sbp]

how on earth do they qualify "indecent"? The ruling doesn't say

01:31:30 [sbp]

"""18 U.S.C.? 1464 provides criminal penalties for anyone who "utters any obscene, indecent or

01:31:30 [sbp]

profane language by means of radio communication."

01:31:31 [sbp]

"""

01:31:47 [GabeW]

yeah, its up to common law and regulatory procedures

01:31:55 [sbp]

Pff

01:32:14 [sbp]

I snort in contention at their arbitrary facism

01:32:34 [GabeW]

hey, at least we have a first amendment to point at, you backwater briton

01:33:19 [GabeW]

hehe

01:33:23 [sbp]

heh, heh. We have a Bill of Rights

01:33:29 [AaronSw]

you do?

01:33:45 [AaronSw]

what's it protect? marmite?

01:33:51 [GabeW]

dya know the Clash song "Know Your Rights?"

01:33:53 [sbp]

Mwahahaha!

01:34:10 [GabeW]

what a great song

01:34:15 [GabeW]

one of my favorite clash songs

01:34:37 [GabeW]

"You have the right.. to free speech.. just as long as your not dumb enough to actually try it!"

01:34:50 [sbp]

heh: """The Commission has defined indecent speech as language that, in context, depicts or describes, in terms patently offensive as measured by contemporary community standards"""

01:35:06 [sbp]

comical

01:35:14 [GabeW]

right - there is a US Sup Ct decision - the Miller case - which created that standard

01:35:34 [AaronSw]

almost as funny as the CDA.

01:35:53 [GabeW]

well, miller made the rules we've lived by for a while

01:36:09 [AaronSw]

the beer maker?

01:36:25 [GabeW]

uh, no

01:37:37 [GabeW]

http://www.adultweblaw.com/laws/obscene.htm

01:39:13 [AaronSw]

Edd: "As if the language isn't being ruined enough by such deplorable tendencies as using the word "enterprise" as an adjective, XML acronym factories (otherwise known as standards organization committees) are doing their best to further pollute our lexicon."

01:39:32 [sbp]

heh

01:39:59 [AaronSw]

"OASIS happily announced that the first, undoubtedly dynamic, action of the brand new OASIS WSCM TC was ... to change its name to the OASIS WSIA TC."

01:40:32 [sbp]

heh!

01:41:46 [sbp]

wonderful: """In its infinite wisdom, the Supreme Court has decided that the public interest is best served if "obscenity" is not protected by the 1st Amendment. Pornography is protected, but obscenity is not - it's anyone's guess what divides the two categories."""

01:41:51 [sbp]

from Gabe's reference

01:42:29 [GabeW]

thats not entirely true, actually...

01:43:27 [sbp]

what is the truth, then?

01:44:05 [GabeW]

its a bunch of balancing that goes on

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01:44:36 [GabeW]

not all speech is protected, some is protected, but barely, and whats left over is protected but "time place and manner" restrictions can be imposed

01:45:31 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw remembers GabeW is a lawyer.

01:45:42 [GabeW]

not a lawyer -- i can get in trouble for saying that

01:45:45 [GabeW]

I never took the bar

01:45:48 [AaronSw]

Well, he went to law school.

01:46:02 [GabeW]

and I have refused the concept of paying the cal state bar to call myself a laywer

01:46:10 [AaronSw]

Indeed. The bar is stupid.

01:46:22 [GabeW]

but yeah, in general, i have a lawyer's training

01:47:15 [GabeW]

http://www.gseis.ucla.edu/iclp/flwilks.htm

01:47:19 [GabeW]

That looks a little better

01:47:22 [GabeW]

a little dated

01:49:10 [GabeW]

i actually think the bar isn't stupid - its just that I shouldn't have to pay them money on a regular basis (or at least not that much money)

01:49:34 [GabeW]

I don't care that much actually - its not a big deal

01:50:29 [sbp]

it's odd: politically and socially, I feel that we're still living in the dark ages

01:53:39 [sbp]

when a nation can't decide "obcsenity who really cares - propoganda all is phony", you have to raise an eyebrow

01:54:38 [sbp]

er, that is, "obscenity, who really cares? Propaganda all is phony"

01:54:44 [AaronSw]

"While money doesn't talk, it swears Obscenity, who really cares Propaganda,

01:54:44 [AaronSw]

all is phony."

01:55:02 [sbp]

well, it depends on how you listen to it, I suppose

01:55:23 [sbp]

I think there's a full stop after "swears"

01:55:33 [AaronSw]

yeah, that got broken off in my paste.

01:55:38 [sbp]

ah

01:55:38 [AaronSw]

it's a line break, not a full stop

01:55:52 [AaronSw]

"""

01:55:53 [AaronSw]

While money doesn't talk, it swears

01:55:53 [AaronSw]

Obscenity, who really cares

01:55:53 [AaronSw]

Propaganda, all is phony.

01:55:53 [AaronSw]

"""

01:55:59 [sbp]

perfect

01:57:20 [sbp]

* sbp plays the song

01:57:29 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw too

01:59:02 [AaronSw]

really a great song. http://www.bobdylan.com/songs/itsalright.html

01:59:10 [sbp]

indeed

02:00:02 [sbp]

I still remember getting the album - I had been working back from Blonde On Blonde

02:00:47 [sbp]

"the" film is wonderful too. I love the part where he plays "It's All Over Now, Baby Blue" to the guy who had just written a song of his own

02:08:57 [sbp]

* sbp reads through http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/hess1.htm trying to make sense of it all

02:10:29 [sbp]

it starts of quite sensibly patriotic, then adds in the occasional "do as we say!" phrase, and finally degrades itself to... well...

02:11:54 [sbp]

Aaron: perhaps you're right about recording history. If you don't record where things went disasterously wrong, how can you prevent them from ever happening again?

02:12:05 [AaronSw]

indeed.

02:12:43 [AaronSw]

I was just saying that I like writing in logged IRC channels because my work is less likely to get lost when a stupid web site rejects it because it's missing an abstract.

02:14:17 [sbp]

wow... it's only 68 years since that was broadcast to a million Germans. And thigns like that still go no today, although not on that scale...

02:14:25 [sbp]

missing an abstract: heh

02:14:53 [sbp]

yeah, #swhack is rather useful

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02:20:23 [AaronSw]

there are two of you.

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02:25:04 [SeanP]

not any more

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* sbp was reading more propaganda... mind-bendingly awful stuff

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02:27:03 [sbp]

when Robert Ley died, I hope he knew that everything that he campaigned for - all that evil - lay in ruin

02:27:26 [AaronSw]

oh shoot.

02:28:32 [sbp]

what?

02:29:07 [AaronSw]

I can no longer connect to vorpal.

02:29:17 [sbp]

really?

02:29:32 [sbp]

SSH, you mean?

02:29:46 [AaronSw]

yeah, i must have broken it when I was messing with it.

02:31:36 [AaronSw]

Hmm, seems email is broken too.

02:41:40 [Morbus]

sigh, i'm not really sure how to handle multiple threads in amphetadesk, without writing a lot of os specific code.

02:44:01 [sbp]

you're working on Amphy again?

02:44:13 [Morbus]

well, i'm thinking about it.

02:44:27 [Morbus]

my main problem is i don't want to do seperate non-GUI code for win/lin/mac.

02:44:40 [Morbus]

and if i want to do multithreaded crap, I'd have to.

02:50:41 [Morbus]

anyone know the common amount of connections opened to the server by a normal IE/NS request for a page?

03:02:03 [jeremiah]

hmm

03:02:25 [jeremiah]

Morbus: not ie or netscpae, i know opera likes to open tons of them, and I think for a while ie and nestcape only did one at a time

03:21:42 [AaronSw]

Morbus, Python has cross-platform threading built in. :-)

03:22:17 [sbp]

heh, heh

03:22:25 [sbp]

port Amphy to Python!

03:22:27 [sbp]

do it, do it!

03:22:29 [Morbus]

phhhbbb

03:22:33 [sbp]

:-)

03:22:55 [sbp]

there's even py2exe, so you can't beg off by saying that people need to install Python

03:23:09 [AaronSw]

i'd help out with it

03:23:13 [sbp]

me too

03:23:34 [jeremiah]

I think, earlier todya, i was passing out

03:23:43 [jeremiah]

I kept loosing conciousness and waking up in different parts of the house

03:23:44 [jeremiah]

NOT fun

03:23:46 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw watches "The Secret Life of the Brain: The Teenage Brain"

03:23:48 [sbp]

eek

03:24:02 [sbp]

what do you think caused that

03:24:03 [sbp]

?

03:24:04 [AaronSw]

eek!

03:24:13 [jeremiah]

I don't know

03:24:16 [jeremiah]

I might be sick

03:24:27 [jeremiah]

so I did like 1/2 of my homework and I've been playing the guitar for a while now

03:24:29 [sbp]

you should go to a doctor, or something

03:24:31 [jeremiah]

not sure what that has to do with anything

03:24:41 [sbp]

perhaps homework is causing it

03:24:41 [jeremiah]

but I am gonna wake up early tommorow and do homework

03:24:44 [jeremiah]

going to bed in a few minutes

03:24:48 [jeremiah]

I think it was the homework

03:24:49 [sbp]

you might be able to get a note for it

03:24:53 [jeremiah]

reading about railroads and the trusts

03:24:53 [AaronSw]

feel better

03:25:17 [jeremiah]

I feel better now, if that was a question

03:25:18 [jeremiah]

:)

03:25:20 [sbp]

man, I need an MP3 player

03:25:29 [jeremiah]

i tried to go running but I felt like I wasn't running straight

03:25:30 [sbp]

I think it was a command

03:25:31 [jeremiah]

which wasn't cool

03:25:38 [jeremiah]

so I stopped

03:25:45 [sbp]

you sound pretty ill, J

03:25:51 [jeremiah]

but I'm not, is the thing

03:25:52 [jeremiah]

I dunno

03:26:06 [jeremiah]

fuck, I hope I don't have separate personalities that are fleshing themselves out

03:26:07 [sbp]

perhaps it's stress

03:26:09 [jeremiah]

:)

03:26:11 [sbp]

lol

03:26:22 [jeremiah]

I was sweaty when I woke up each time

03:26:24 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw is watching TV about multiple personalities

03:26:28 [jeremiah]

but one time i feel asleep on the couch

03:26:36 [jeremiah]

next thing i remember I'm in the bathroom takin a crap

03:26:39 [jeremiah]

no idea how I got there

03:26:48 [sbp]

erm...

03:27:03 [jeremiah]

yeah

03:27:04 [sbp]

perhaps you sleepcrap

03:27:15 [jeremiah]

yeah

03:27:16 [jeremiah]

maybe

03:27:48 [sbp]

* sbp seems to coin a lot of terms

03:27:53 [jeremiah]

I wish I could find my tuner

03:27:55 [jeremiah]

for my bass

03:27:59 [sbp]

Pff, tuner?

03:28:06 [sbp]

can't you tune by ear, or tune to a song?

03:28:10 [Morbus]

dammit. can't get this crap ass multiplexing working

03:28:10 [jeremiah]

no

03:28:15 [jeremiah]

it's not really my bass, it's my friends

03:28:18 [jeremiah]

and I just borrowed it

03:28:26 [jeremiah]

I'm not a bass player, so i can't quite tune by ear

03:28:36 [jeremiah]

and tuning to a song is hard when you're playing w/o an amp

03:28:40 [sbp]

well, it's just a guitar, but one octave down

03:28:50 [sbp]

play the song softly :-0

03:28:52 [sbp]

:-)

03:28:59 [jeremiah]

well, when I add the new strings tommorow I'll worry about tuning it

03:29:05 [jeremiah]

turn the house upside down and find that darned tuner

03:29:26 [sbp]

the only time I use a tuner... well, I don't anymore

03:29:35 [jeremiah]

you play guitar or bass?

03:29:39 [sbp]

guitar

03:29:48 [jeremiah]

ok

03:29:50 [jeremiah]

I can tune guitar by ear

03:30:05 [jeremiah]

bass is missing it's bottom string

03:30:12 [sbp]

?

03:30:19 [jeremiah]

I dunno where it went

03:30:28 [sbp]

perhaps it exploded

03:30:46 [jeremiah]

yeah

03:30:47 [jeremiah]

perhaps

03:30:55 [jeremiah]

bass strings are expensive, like 30 bucks for a set

03:30:57 [jeremiah]

as I found out

03:31:11 [sbp]

you could always tune it half way up the fretboard, and then play it aginst the guitar

03:31:24 [sbp]

just get soemone to twang your guitar for you, and use a harmonic on the bass

03:31:39 [jeremiah]

yeah

03:31:45 [jeremiah]

the tuner is in sight somewhere

03:31:47 [jeremiah]

I'll find it

03:31:56 [jeremiah]

and when I do I'm painting that motha-fucker orange

03:31:59 [jeremiah]

I always loose it

03:32:22 [sbp]

put a little whistle-activated smoke canister on it

03:32:29 [jeremiah]

yeah

03:32:34 [sbp]

or tie it to a part of your body

03:32:39 [jeremiah]

or one of htose things for when you loose a tv remote

03:32:55 [sbp]

loose?

03:32:59 [jeremiah]

lose*

03:33:00 [Morbus]

AaronSw: do you still help out on peerkat?

03:33:02 [sbp]

:-)

03:33:09 [AaronSw]

not really

03:35:10 [sbp]

Gotta run

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03:41:28 [jeremiah]

.e deltab

03:43:02 [AaronSw]

google is deltab's webpage

03:44:06 [jeremiah]

I want to email him to get on cvs

03:44:30 [AaronSw]

deltab@osian.net

03:45:21 [jeremiah]

ok

03:45:29 [jeremiah]

now to go to sleep before I pass out again, or whatever was going on

03:46:12 [AaronSw]

c'ya

03:47:00 [jeremiah]

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05:07:49 [rillian]

.f2c -16

05:07:49 [xena]

-16.0°F = -26.6666666667°C

05:07:56 [rillian]

xena's broken

05:08:00 [AaronSw]

hm?

05:08:03 [BenSw]

nooo

05:08:15 [BenSw]

.google aaron

05:08:16 [xena]

aaron: http://www.aaronsw.com

05:09:26 [AaronSw]

celcius = ( fahrenheit - 32 ) * ( 5.0 / 9.0 )

05:09:30 [AaronSw]

is the code

05:10:13 [rillian]

which is indeed correct

05:10:21 [rillian]

.f2c 75

05:10:21 [xena]

75.0°F = 23.8888888889°C

05:10:29 [rillian]

it's just not doing that :)

05:10:40 [AaronSw]

.py ( -16 -32 ) * (5.0/9.0)

05:10:40 [xena]

-26.666666666666668

05:11:51 [AaronSw]

hm

05:12:37 [rillian]

anyway. hi and bye

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05:13:23 [AaronSw]

oh, i think the 5.0 and the 9.0 are reversed

05:13:55 [AaronSw]

.rehash

05:14:00 [AaronSw]

.f2c 75

05:14:00 [xena]

75.0°F = 77.4°C

05:14:14 [AaronSw]

.f2c -16

05:14:14 [xena]

-16.0°F = -86.4°C

05:17:39 [AaronSw]

no, that doesn't seem to be right

05:17:52 [deltab]

.f2c 212

05:17:53 [xena]

212.0°F = 324.0°C

05:17:59 [deltab]

indeed

05:18:05 [deltab]

.f2c 100

05:18:05 [xena]

100.0°F = 122.4°C

05:18:20 [AaronSw]

what is the correct code?

05:18:44 [AaronSw]

.rehash

05:18:48 [AaronSw]

.f2c 100

05:18:48 [xena]

100.0°F = 37.7777777778°C

05:19:09 [AaronSw]

.f2c 98.6

05:19:10 [xena]

98.6°F = 37.0°C

05:19:18 [AaronSw]

hm, that's right.

05:19:27 [deltab]

.f2c 212

05:19:27 [xena]

212.0°F = 100.0°C

05:19:31 [AaronSw]

.c2f 100

05:19:31 [xena]

100.0°C = 212.0°F

05:19:39 [AaronSw]

.f2c -16

05:19:39 [xena]

-16.0°F = -26.6666666667°C

05:19:41 [deltab]

.f2c 32

05:19:41 [xena]

32.0°F = 0.0°C

05:19:57 [AaronSw]

why'd rillian think -26.6666666667°C was wrong then?

05:20:10 [BenSw]

BenSw is now known as BenSw|asleep

05:22:04 [deltab]

a bug

05:22:12 [deltab]

in rillian :-)

05:22:16 [AaronSw]

heh

05:35:08 [AaronSw]

Bill Gates: "We must lead the industry to a whole new level of Trustworthiness in computing."

05:35:26 [AaronSw]

- http://paulboutin.weblogger.com/stories/storyReader$155

05:36:02 [AaronSw]

I mean, just the word Trustworthiness is funny, let alone who it's coming from.

05:37:36 [AaronSw]

Oh, this just takes the cake: "We have done a great job of having teams work around the clock to deliver security fixes for any problems that arise. Our responsiveness has been unmatched -- but as an industry leader we can and must do better."

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14:35:23 [DoidT]

Hey anyone else here trying Coccinella - it's a a lot of fun!

14:35:27 [DoidT]

http://hem.fyristorg.com/matben/

14:36:11 [Morbus]

holy poo, this looks good.

14:36:40 [Morbus]

ah. no tcl on this box.

14:37:09 [DoidT]

It actually works!

14:37:48 [DoidT]

Shame, save it for another time, though

14:46:02 [AaronSw]

w00t!\

14:46:12 [AaronSw]

1 foot of snow! no school!

14:46:14 [AaronSw]

.weather2 highland park, il

14:46:20 [AaronSw]

.weather 60035

14:46:23 [xena]

no weather stations found for Highland Park

14:46:33 [AaronSw]

.weather chicago

14:46:34 [xena]

several possible locations found: Chicago / West Chicago, Dupage Airport (United States), Chicago / Waukegan, Waukegan Regional Airport (United States), Chicago Weather Service Forecast Office (United States), Chicago / Meigs (United States), Little Chicago (Canada), Port Chicago (United States), Chicago / Calumet Coast Guard Station (United States), Chicago / Wheeling, Pal-Waukee Airport (United

14:46:35 [xena]

States), Chicago, Chicago-O'Hare International Airport (United States), Chicago, Chicago Midway Airport (United States), Chicago Nexrad (United States)

14:46:55 [AaronSw]

.weather chicago, illinois

14:46:55 [xena]

no weather stations found for chicago, illinois

14:47:12 [AaronSw]

.weather evanston

14:47:39 [DoidT]

Hey, that's great

14:47:52 [xena]

[ Evanston, Evanston-Uninta County Burns Field, United States ] : | temperature -16° C | humidity 83% | dewpoint -18° C | wind 230 | visibility 10 mile(s) | pressure 1019 millibars | conditions overcast

14:48:22 [DoidT]

.weather heathrow

14:49:25 [xena]

[ London / Heathrow Airport, United Kingdom ] : | temperature 10° C | humidity 66% | dewpoint 5° C | wind None | visibility greater than 7 mile(s) | pressure 1011 millibars | conditions mostly cloudy

14:52:58 [AaronSw]

AaronSw has changed the topic to: SNOW DAY!

14:54:49 [Morbus]

write up a contract for them."

14:58:02 [Morbus]

don't know how my weblog progress is going though. haven't heard back from nancu

14:58:04 [Morbus]

nancy, rather.

15:02:26 [DoidT]

Morbus: is Disobey not your current log?

15:03:39 [Morbus]

disobey would remain a culture log, because the audience for disobey is like that. they're not very tech based. my ORA weblog would be where I can talk tech and not lose anyone :)

15:03:57 [Morbus]

on a side note, hi. i don't know you :)

15:05:22 [DoidT]

No good reason

15:05:29 [Morbus]

doid: cool. i'll take a look.

15:05:32 [DoidT]

I was going to make another on log comment

15:05:46 [DoidT]

About being an amphetadesk user some time ago

15:05:57 [Morbus]

heh, really? kickass <g>

15:06:21 [AaronSw]

<DoidT> # Yeah, hi, I have a weblog doid.com and I met Aaron when he was in London

15:06:21 [DoidT]

Yeah, fun, but I was using Rdaio and Headline Viewer

15:06:24 [AaronSw]

:-)

15:06:43 [Morbus]

ah, of the three, you stuck with Radio?

15:06:53 [DoidT]

guess so

15:06:56 [Morbus]

i've been, within the past few days, been getting back into ampheta.

15:07:02 [DoidT]

stuch being the operative word

15:07:02 [Morbus]

i think it had to do with my swhack rejoinings.

15:07:07 [DoidT]

stuck

15:07:44 [AaronSw]

morbus, can ampheta read my mySubscriptions.opml file?

15:07:44 [DoidT]

Back in couple

15:08:33 [Morbus]

AaronSw: nope. there's one attribute that i sillily made "required" in ampheta, which breaks the intergration, since RU doesn't use it.

15:08:46 [Morbus]

you could hack a 2-5 line in a couple of seconds, i bet.

15:08:47 [AaronSw]

heh

15:08:50 [AaronSw]

ok

15:09:00 [Morbus]

ampheta needs a filename attr for each outline.

15:09:31 [Morbus]

that's all, really. i've been using char(20).xml

15:09:43 [Morbus]

based on the title.

15:09:48 [AaronSw]

Hmmph, I must have been deleted my copy. Which version should I grab?

15:09:58 [Morbus]

.92 is the latest, but the cvs is stable.

15:10:12 [Morbus]

i think .92 is the latest.

15:10:14 [Morbus]

its been so long.

15:10:37 [Morbus]

yeah, 92.

15:10:45 [AaronSw]

ok, i'll grab CVS.

15:10:58 [Morbus]

i think the cvs is stable.

15:11:00 [Morbus]

yeah, it has to be.

15:11:09 [Morbus]

i sent it to some other guy a while back

15:11:23 [AaronSw]

ok

15:11:50 [Morbus]

the CHANGELOG has the new stuff from 92 to 93. nothing major, i don't think.

15:11:57 [Morbus]

(the cvs being 93)

15:14:24 [AaronSw]

ah, works beautifully

15:15:40 [AaronSw]

Downloading amphetadeskdocumenta.xml - local copy doesn't exist.

15:15:40 [AaronSw]

AmphetaDesk could not reach the site within 10 seconds.

15:15:54 [AaronSw]

do i just ^C to quit?

15:19:28 [Morbus]

through linux, yeah.

15:19:40 [Morbus]

speaking of which, that amph.xml file comes from your sYP you know.

15:19:52 [AaronSw]

yeah, i know :)

15:19:57 [Morbus]

fix it! <g>

15:20:05 [AaronSw]

oh...

15:20:12 [AaronSw]

hah, you're aggregator is broken!

15:20:22 [Morbus]

probably. what's up?

15:20:23 [AaronSw]

can't you even follow a stupid redirect?

15:20:26 [Morbus]

uh, it does.

15:20:56 [Morbus]

check out WWW.pl

15:21:00 [AaronSw]

hmm

15:21:20 [Morbus]

its in get. first 20/30 lines. can't miss it.

15:21:36 [AaronSw]

hm, maybe it is broken...

15:21:48 [Morbus]

its been working before.

15:22:14 [AaronSw]

no, it's just slow. odd

15:22:30 [Morbus]

amph is slow, or the redirects are?

15:22:37 [AaronSw]

the redirect was.

15:22:39 [Morbus]

it'll time out after 10, no matter the redirects.

15:30:25 [AaronSw]

hmm, i must have killed it...

15:30:38 [Morbus]

hmm?

15:31:11 [DoidT]

Morbus, what do you mean by XML::Syndication

15:31:58 [DoidT]

Read a collection of feeds?

15:32:10 [Morbus]

XML::RSS is a perl module that reads/writes RSS.

15:32:25 [Morbus]

I'd like to make a more generic XML::Syndication which would include support for ScriptingNews, ocs, and so forth.

15:32:38 [DoidT]

Oh

15:33:07 [DoidT]

Don't know too much about perk

15:33:12 [DoidT]

err perl

15:33:19 [AaronSw]

I get: Argument "Updates to http://www.blanu.net/" isn't numeric in values at lib/Misce

15:33:19 [AaronSw]

llaneous.pl line 435.

15:33:19 [AaronSw]

Bad index while coercing array into hash at lib/Miscellaneous.pl line 435.

15:33:58 [Morbus]

what'd you do?

15:34:00 [AaronSw]

oh, fixed it -- never mind

15:34:13 [AaronSw]

i left out a filename attrib

15:34:50 [Morbus]

ah. so after adding them, its working?

15:34:55 [AaronSw]

yep

15:34:58 [Morbus]

cool.

15:35:14 [Morbus]

kearney was supposed to contribute some code to autogenerate filenames for those missing, but he never did.

15:35:19 [Morbus]

it's not too hard, just never got around to it.

15:41:46 [AaronSw]

lol: http://radio.weblogs.com/0100950/2002/01/29.html#a131

15:44:02 [Morbus]

hehhehehe

15:44:05 [DoidT]

Hehe. Do you use Stapler with Radio, Aaron?

15:44:17 [AaronSw]

No.

15:44:54 [DoidT]

It makes feeds, well, though

15:46:28 [DoidT]

.google markpasc code stapler

15:46:30 [xena]

markpasc code stapler: http://markpasc.home.mindspring.com/code/stapler

15:48:04 [AaronSw]

hey! Ampheta is missing a delete button.

15:48:44 [AaronSw]

how does it know what i've read and what i haven't?

15:48:47 [deltab]

200 Not Found

15:48:55 [Morbus]

AaronSw: hold on.

15:49:03 [AaronSw]

deltab, where?

15:49:20 [deltab]

the code stapler URL

15:49:32 [AaronSw]

oh, heh

15:49:46 [AaronSw]

earthlink sucks

15:50:11 [DoidT]

Oops - http://markpasc.org/code/stapler/

15:50:26 [AaronSw]

calling morbus@disobey.com, ampheta has errors to report.

15:51:52 [AaronSw]

it couldn't find agressive-upstream.png nor theme-mod.png

15:53:03 [AaronSw]

ok, time to go play in the snow.

15:53:18 [DoidT]

have fun

15:56:30 [DoidT]

off to shave

15:56:50 [Morbus]

ok.

15:57:01 [Morbus]

AaronSw: the delete button was never added because it doesn't scale.

15:57:10 [Morbus]

if you have 1000 entries, clicking 990 of them is insane.

15:57:17 [Morbus]

it just wasn't a good solution to the problem.

15:57:27 [Morbus]

i have some ideas on how to do that, and they're in the TODO in the CVS.

15:57:55 [Morbus]

as for the ampheta error thing, more than likely, the rss feed used that image file with a relative URL as opposed to a absolute, so the ampheta webserver is trying to serve the image

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16:02:03 [Morbus]

hey GabeW

16:02:07 [GabeW]

hey

16:04:16 [AaronSw]

Morbus, ypu simply leave the delete button checked by default

16:04:43 [AaronSw]

then there's no scaling problem

16:04:45 [AaronSw]

hey GabeW

16:04:45 [Morbus]

pfff, that's stupid. what if i forget to uncheck one, out of 1000 entries, that i wanted to keep?

16:04:55 [Morbus]

suddently, its gone, and i have to run around trying to bring itbackl

16:05:00 [AaronSw]

so how does it work now?

16:05:05 [Morbus]

it doesnt.

16:05:07 [AaronSw]

i just lose entries randomly?

16:05:09 [Morbus]

it always displays the whole thing.

16:05:12 [AaronSw]

great! so much better.

16:05:18 [AaronSw]

</sarcasm>

16:05:26 [AaronSw]

the "keep all checked" thing works beautifully in Radio.

16:05:45 [Morbus]

what's that do?

16:05:54 [AaronSw]

you just uncheck the ones you want to keep.

16:05:55 [Morbus]

i coulda swore we got in this argument before <g>

16:06:20 [AaronSw]

heh. i guess i better stick with radio then. i don't wanna have to read thru 1000 entries every day to find what's new.

16:06:35 [Morbus]

heh, heh.

16:07:00 [Morbus]

amphetadesk is flawed in a number of places, i agree.

16:07:12 [Morbus]

but i'm starting work on it again. mainly a new framework for better updating (ala the root.updates from RU).

16:07:14 [AaronSw]

wow, this is an awesome group: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fractal-world/

16:07:21 [AaronSw]

look at those beautiful fractals

16:07:53 [AaronSw]

Morbus, cool. maybe i can help out.

16:08:03 [Morbus]

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16:08:07 [Morbus]

bastard.

16:08:10 [Morbus]

stop downloading! <g>

16:08:19 [AaronSw]

heh.

16:08:25 [Morbus]

you wanna code perl? what the hell is wrong with you1

16:08:33 [AaronSw]

i didn't say i'd help code!

16:08:35 [Morbus]

right now, i'm really going through and turning everything into a module.

16:08:36 [AaronSw]

i'll help complain!

16:08:40 [Morbus]

ah. ok. cool :)

16:08:47 [AaronSw]

graphics still work for me.

16:08:58 [AaronSw]

@ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fractal-world/

16:08:58 [Morbus]

the side effect of this is that I can release a wrapper binary, and pure perl text.

16:09:11 [AaronSw]

yeah, you've told me three times now.

16:09:18 [Morbus]

hey, you complain, i reiterate.

16:09:20 [AaronSw]

hmm, where's chumpster?

16:09:48 [AaronSw]

whistle!

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16:09:52 [Morbus]

WTF?! SOMEONE STOLE MY MOTHERFUCKING HILIGHTER! WHERE THE HELL IS MY CHAINSAW!

16:09:52 [AaronSw]

@ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fractal-world/

16:09:55 [chumpster]

B: Yahoo! Groups : fractal-world from AaronSw

16:10:12 [AaronSw]

B:|fractal-world: A forum dedicated to the display of fractal art and discussions on related issues.

16:10:13 [chumpster]

titled item B

16:10:31 [AaronSw]

B::These are the most beautiful fractals I have ever seen. They're awesome!

16:10:33 [chumpster]

commented item B

16:11:01 [AaronSw]

B::I really love [glowne|http://attach2.groups.yahoo.com/v1/AGpZPDJ9E7T3zgVyMgnYJy6f2cLsWD-h-qhcu_QZFiZPeQtgWqVMFBeorCxVqwH_UdPoTft9wnV05gIeKQilgV3X7qF4ffnnJf8uBw/glowne.jpg].

16:11:04 [chumpster]

commented item B

16:11:12 [AaronSw]

gotta run -- going to the server room.

16:11:27 [Morbus]

document not found on that glowne

16:11:30 [deltab]

ack, download limit

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16:24:27 [wmf]

I wasn't in enough channels

16:24:41 [Morbus]

heh, yay!

16:24:51 [Morbus]

i only have five open, cos i'm at work. gotta be incognito.

16:25:13 [wmf]

heh. only five

16:29:17 [Morbus]

hehehe.

16:29:26 [Morbus]

AaronSw: didn't think rael knew me:

16:29:33 [Morbus]

me: I'm the guy who developed AmphetaDesk

16:29:36 [Morbus]

him: I know precisely who you are ;-)

16:29:42 [Morbus]

i don' t know if this is good or bad :)

16:29:57 [Morbus]

that smiley mocks me, i thinkl

16:31:02 [Morbus]

:)

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16:36:48 [AaronSw]

wmf!

16:37:03 [AaronSw]

Morbus, very, very, bad sign. ;-)

16:37:11 [Morbus]

hehehehe.

16:37:19 [wmf]

AaronSw!

16:37:21 [Morbus]

i mean, he even said "precisely".

16:37:28 [Morbus]

like "you're the guy on my dartboard" precisely.

16:37:47 [Morbus]

or "you're next on Who's Wants To Be Winer" precisely.

16:37:53 [Morbus]

* Morbus shudders.

16:37:54 [AaronSw]

"Your inferior AmphetaDesk has made Peerkat a failure. You will now die."

16:37:59 [Morbus]

lol.

16:38:07 [sbp]

* sbp plays "Leige and Leif"

16:38:09 [Morbus]

whaaa? hey, your lack of contributions have made peerkat a failure!

16:38:16 [AaronSw]

shuddup

16:38:21 [Morbus]

mine's ony inferior cos its easier to install :)

16:38:27 [AaronSw]

exactly!

16:38:29 [AaronSw]

hey!

16:38:32 [Morbus]

hehehe

16:38:37 [wmf]

you're both losers; how about that?

16:38:41 [Morbus]

yay!

16:39:40 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw is in the server room, moving servers off of a DSL line from some company that went bankrupt.

16:39:47 [AaronSw]

the good news is that i'm moving them on to a t3

16:39:49 [Morbus]

sigh, i do get paranoid about what peoiple think about my crap.

16:39:54 [wmf]

heh

16:42:02 [AaronSw]

geez, it's like a sauna in here. stupid overheating pentiums

16:42:17 [sbp]

heh, heh. Not like those cool Athlons

16:45:35 [wmf]

I need to conserve batter power; later

16:45:39 [AaronSw]

c'ya

16:45:41 [AaronSw]

dim the screen

16:45:43 [sbp]

so, Morbus, how's your crap?

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16:46:13 [AaronSw]

.google "rael dornfest" amphetadesk

16:46:14 [xena]

"rael dornfest" amphetadesk: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rss-dev/messages/2226

16:46:23 [sbp]

I guess I should review the logs a bit

16:46:48 [sbp]

lol @ chainsaw/hilighter conundrum

16:46:52 [Morbus]

heh

16:47:58 [sbp]

Hmm... I've been singing Matty Groves all day

16:48:46 [sbp]

<wmf> I need to conserve batter power; later

16:48:56 [sbp]

I didn't know he played baseball

16:49:01 [Morbus]

lol!

16:49:05 [Morbus]

yeah, goat, yeah.

16:49:05 [sbp]

you learn something every day :-)

16:50:36 [AaronSw]

lol

16:56:02 [sbp]

Pff:-

16:56:04 [sbp]

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16:56:19 [sbp]

from the fractal group

16:56:52 [sbp]

look out, Aaron: <[...]> Heavy, heavy snowfall up here in Toronto! Yaaay!

16:57:01 [sbp]

might be moving down, you never know :-)

16:57:13 [AaronSw]

can't you read the topic?

16:57:19 [sbp]

oh

16:57:33 [sbp]

great! did you make another snowman?

17:03:13 [AaronSw]

not yet

17:03:20 [AaronSw]

like 5 in. of snow

17:08:57 [AaronSw]

i think yahoo must be playing cookie games with those attachments

17:09:35 [deltab]

they do

17:09:51 [deltab]

I keep getting "Aren't you meant to be somewhere else?"

17:10:04 [AaronSw]

heh!

17:18:21 [Morbus]

kickass.

17:18:25 [Morbus]

my oreilly series got in maccentral.

17:21:08 [sbp]

pointer?

17:24:11 [Morbus]

i love daypop. http://www.daypop.com/search?q=apache+osx&t=a

17:24:21 [Morbus]

sbp: http://www.daypop.com/search?q=hemenway&t=a

17:27:43 [Morbus]

yay! ljundies is back!

17:28:33 [Morbus]

Gabe! You the man!

17:28:37 [Morbus]

http://www.livejournal.com/talkread.bml?itemid=21921615

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17:58:50 [DoidT]

can we just reproduce the newscientist article in here?

17:58:55 [DoidT]

http://www.newscientist.com/hottopics/copyleft/copyleftart.jsp

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18:00:09 [DoidT]

That's great news, but I'm off

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18:30:25 [Morbus]

* Morbus sings for the sake of doing os.

18:30:29 [Morbus]

* Morbus goes to download RU.

18:30:41 [Morbus]

does it make a site automatically for you? i just wanna fiddle with the aggregator.

18:30:54 [Morbus]

no, wait, that's a stupid question.

18:32:54 [AaronSw]

yes, it makes a site automatically

18:33:41 [Morbus]

really? pfff.

18:33:58 [Morbus]

* Morbus whines, but i don't wannan site!

18:36:47 [Morbus]

oh come on.

18:36:53 [Morbus]

shit, not a good sign.

18:37:01 [Morbus]

i installed it, didn't want to fill in the info, so just clicked submit.

18:37:08 [Morbus]

and i get "it worked!" and then an error message.

18:38:32 [SeanP]

heh, heh

18:39:25 [AaronSw]

see, if you don't post something to your site, dave gets upset since it screws up his usability ratings

18:39:59 [AaronSw]

hmm, there's a seanp and an sbp here

18:40:20 [AaronSw]

.dns free.tibet

18:40:20 [xena]

free.tibet - error: host not found

18:40:44 [AaronSw]

hmph

18:40:53 [Morbus]

hehehe

18:41:02 [Morbus]

prolly does.

18:41:13 [AaronSw]

xena's not an open root member, i guess

18:41:25 [SeanP]

Aaron: dircproxy has gone nuts - again

18:41:28 [sbp]

sbp has quit (Remote closed the connection)

18:41:33 [SeanP]

it just boots... oh

18:41:39 [AaronSw]

what's the error?

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18:41:51 [Morbus]

wheee!

18:41:53 [SeanP]

it just kicks me off: collided with new user, or something

18:41:58 [Morbus]

this works without submitting any data.

18:42:09 [SeanP]

*** [10054] Connection reset by peer

18:42:18 [AaronSw]

now you probably have Anonymous Loser's Radio Weblog.

18:42:20 [SeanP]

Closing Link: sbp[~sean@63.149.73.20] (Collided with new user)

18:42:31 [AaronSw]

that's a new one on me

18:42:31 [Morbus]

nope, just the coffee cup and "s".

18:42:36 [Morbus]

it looks like Radio's Radio Weblog

18:42:40 [AaronSw]

heh

18:42:49 [AaronSw]

SeanP, do you mind if I restart dirc?

18:43:05 [SeanP]

nope

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18:44:16 [Morbus]

pfff. the prefs screen is one big page flipper.

18:44:21 [Morbus]

one pref per one page? insane.

18:44:29 [AaronSw]

aha, there were two dircs running

18:44:40 [AaronSw]

sbp, try now

18:44:52 [AaronSw]

.dns theinfo.org

18:44:52 [xena]

theinfo.org - 63.149.73.22

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18:45:37 [sbp]

it seems to be working

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18:48:01 [Morbus]

AaronSw: there's no way in RU to see a list of rss files? like in ampheta?

18:48:20 [AaronSw]

list of rss files?

18:48:31 [AaronSw]

oh. that's radio.weblogs.com

18:48:32 [Morbus]

like the "Add a Channel" page in ampheta

18:48:44 [Morbus]

well, not the most popular ones.

18:48:48 [Morbus]

just ones in general.

18:49:01 [AaronSw]

not to my knowledge.

18:49:07 [Morbus]

ah. hmf.

18:52:01 [AaronSw]

Well, looks like my work here is done.

18:54:41 [AaronSw]

all limerick flamewar: http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&selm=rone.a3amhn%2427kv%241%40ennui.org

18:54:46 [AaronSw]

via jorn

18:56:35 [sbp]

Gotta run

19:03:17 [AaronSw]

Wes quoting Gene Kan: "Porn is too hard to find on the Internet today."

19:03:19 [AaronSw]

Wha?

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19:21:44 [GabeW]

* GabeW is away: lounch

19:21:50 [GabeW]

* GabeW is away: lunch

19:24:33 [AaronSw]

for google: http://logicerror.com/serverGunk