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Is there a way to see more than 1 day's 01:58:56 bloggage?" 01:59:48 "Just got a mail about SpamAssassin from Aaron Swartz, noted RDF guy. He runs a very interesting blog called swhack, which I've seen cited before, but never visited for some reason. Now I have, and it's on the bookmarks list ;)" - http://taint.org/2002/01/21/012656a.html 02:00:17 .google "Justin Mason" 02:00:28 "Justin Mason": http://jmason.org 02:00:55 see, I told you we should leave more days displaying 02:01:04 well you figure out how to program it! 02:01:31 Heh, heh 02:03:01 ooh, he wrote a mailman->RSS script: http://taint.org/mmrss/ 02:06:18 thats cool. 02:08:01 lol! the best 404 i've ever seen: http://thcnet.net/error/index.php 02:08:05 @ http://thcnet.net/error/index.php 02:08:14 A: ... 404 Error: Now what??? ... from AaronSw 02:08:30 A:|The Best 404 I've Ever Seen 02:08:32 titled item A 02:08:33 wow, you're right 02:09:03 A::via [FoRK|http://www.xent.com/pipermail/fork/2001-November/005940.html], Dierken 02:09:03 commented item A 02:09:48 A::"""it all started because I was bored, [...] I decided that it would be really cool if people were toend up at my 404 error page, and instead of the standard dull boring message telling them the obvious, they would get the opening to the all time classic text adventure game, Zork.""" 02:09:49 commented item A 02:10:27 A::so, FoRK led you to Zork? 02:10:28 commented item A 02:13:16 heh 02:13:34 dangers of ignoring your email: webns.net and logicerror.com expire tomorrow 02:13:43 Ugh 02:13:56 * sbp suddenly wonders about mysterylights.com 02:14:16 March 02:14:28 Phew 02:14:36 heh, deltab knows all 02:15:33 it's scary that he knew before I did :-) 02:16:31 phew, renewd 02:16:34 err renewed 02:17:08 if anybody here sorts out their spam and nonspam, please donate it to spamassassin for their GA. 02:17:37 @ http://spamassassin.org/dist/masses/README 02:17:54 B: http://spamassassin.org/dist/masses/README from AaronSw 02:18:16 B:|Donate your spam... to science! 02:18:16 titled item B 02:19:18 B::If you sort out your spam and non-spam emails, please donate them to SpamAssassin for input into their Genetic Algorithm so that they can improve [their rulebase|http://spamassassin.org/tests.html]. 02:19:19 commented item B 02:20:26 B::Hi [Justin|http://taint.org/2002/01/21/012656a.html]! ;) 02:20:27 commented item B 02:24:57 ugh, editor.py is nearly on 15KB... but it can do decent search and replaces now 02:25:21 why do you care so much about size? 02:25:34 * AaronSw wonders how much ArchiverProxy.py is now 02:25:45 I like concise 02:25:59 26kb 02:26:19 do you use it? 02:26:25 the latest is 32K 02:26:34 oh? 02:26:37 bloated by the ad-blocking code 02:26:52 BenSw (~Snak@12-249-96-16.client.attbi.com) has joined #swhack 02:36:40 * sbp updates savetoweb.py to load mappings from a text file 02:38:57 BenSw has quit ("Bye All") 02:49:32 hazmat, did you see mccusker's response to your comment? 02:49:40 http://www.treedragon.com/ged/map/ti/newJan02.htm#17jan02-ground 02:49:53 .time 02:49:53 2002/01/21 02:51:32.1579 Universal 02:51:58 .time 02:51:59 2002/01/21 02:53:37.485 Universal 02:54:00 heh, Zooko: "Heh heh heh. Dilbert is unemployed. It's good that he's keeping in touch with his audience." 02:54:09 lol 02:56:33 OK, we're off to watch MMT. 02:56:56 O.K., c'ya 02:56:56 MMT? 02:57:13 Magical Mystery Tour 02:57:38 Ever heard of it? 02:57:38 ooh, MMT is on? Aw... 02:57:57 No, we rented the DVD. 02:58:20 er... so you're not refering to the film by The Beatles? 02:58:20 ah 02:58:50 Ah, so you know of these "Beatles". I hear they're some new-age surrealist band. 02:59:33 Mr. Burns: Beatles, eh? Oh yes, I seem remember their off-wall catterwalling on the old Sullivan show. What was Ed thinking? 03:00:15 I don't know. 03:00:16 C'ya 03:00:31 c'ya 03:01:04 heh, heh "Number 8, *burp*, Number 8 *burp*, Number 8 *burp*" 03:01:09 heh heh 03:05:04 Homer: Dating back to my schoolgirl days when I painted portrait after portrait of Ringo Starr 03:05:13 Marge: Er, Homer, that's *my* life you're describing 03:05:22 Homer: Pff - I think I remember my own life, Marge 03:21:29 .py 17*2 03:21:29 34 03:27:39 heh 03:28:05 * tav makes a mental not to turn up at sbp's house when in dire need 03:33:59 sbp has quit (Killed (NickServ (Ghost: SeanP!~sean@m518-mp1-cvx3b.pop.ntl.com))) 03:35:19 sbp (~sean@m518-mp1-cvx3b.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack 03:48:43 ugh: "The requested URL cannot be accessed due to a system error on this server." - textify.tcl 03:50:52 wow, both of the TXT2HTML services that I know of have gone down 03:51:03 er... HTML2TXT 04:01:46 * sbp uses browser.py instead 04:01:56 * sbp saves the results to the Web using editor.py 04:03:34 if I had to write an OS, I'd call it os.py 04:09:03 heh 04:09:09 * AaronSw giggles 04:09:12 :-) 04:09:13 wb 04:09:29 We ended up watching Malcom. 04:09:38 Heh. As ya do 04:09:47 textify.tcl works for me. 04:10:04 doesn't work for me. I used MyHTMLParser() instead 04:10:23 Is it still broken? http://swartzfam.com/aaron/textify.tcl 04:10:30 that's what it's called? MyHTMLParser? 04:10:43 yep: http://swartzfam.com/aaron/textify.tcl?url=http://infomesh.net/ 04:10:47 * AaronSw notes to consult sbp for future naming 04:11:00 MyHTMLParser is a class in browser.py, that I should really refactor out 04:11:37 well, I gave up on trying to give them snazzy names, when I realised that the programs themselves were rather plain 04:12:15 hmm, wonder what's wrong with textify 04:12:43 you know how the old saying goes 04:12:53 the old Zen saying, that is 04:13:06 "when hungry, eat; when thirsty, drink; when bored, build a really cool but plain set of integrated Web applications using Python" 04:13:18 umm, right 04:13:27 something like that, anyway 04:13:48 let me know when you're done with the integrated weblog-music-photo-movie-chatlog-wiki system 04:13:53 i've been waiting a while for that one 04:14:03 y'mean photo.py? 04:14:14 photo.py is part, sure 04:14:31 * sbp notes that MyHTMLParser() is clearly visible in http://infomesh.net/2002/browser.py 04:15:12 ooh, it's quite short really 04:15:47 your code is quite neat, but i don't think you've reached morbus' level of kode-shui 04:16:37 Yeah, he's quite arse-buggeringly, piss-waddlingly, out-of-this-world, gorped out on wacky stars, incredu-fenkily neat, isn't he? 04:17:03 well when you put it that way... 04:17:09 :-) 04:18:52 well, I reckon that I'm just about done with editor.py for releasing 04:20:23 O.K., it's on the Web 04:20:33 download it, try it out, tell me what you think 04:20:43 but it won't work on my machine, will it 04:20:54 doesn't Tkinter work on your machine? 04:21:15 ooh, /editor instead of /editor.py -- tricky! 04:21:24 Mwahahaha! 04:21:54 yeah, because it comes with savetoweb.py too 04:22:22 "A Simple GUI Text Editing Thingy, 2002-01" 04:22:23 NOTE: Not a deeley. 04:22:45 well, I was going to put deeley, but for some reason I typed thingy instead, and I was too lazy to change it 04:23:18 ooh, I could edit it online :-) 04:24:23 oh, cool. someone did build python-tkinter for os x 04:24:30 Thanks, Tony! http://tony.lownds.com/macosx/ 04:29:42 the string module's deprecated btw... 04:30:05 uh huh 04:30:18 yeah, they want you to use 'foo'.bar() instead 04:30:24 uh huh 04:32:30 hmz 04:32:35 strnage 04:32:44 cygwin py2.1.1 has no htmlparser 04:32:57 ehm 04:33:10 no it does 04:33:41 * tav slaps sbp for using py2.2 04:33:48 heh, heh 04:34:30 2.2 r0x0rs man -- get with the time 04:34:30 [[[ 04:34:32 Current location: 04:34:32 File: http://infomesh.net/2002/editor/editor.txt 04:34:32 Line: 1 04:34:32 Col: 0 04:34:32 File text statistics: 04:34:32 Bytes: 13999 04:34:34 Lines: 373 04:34:36 Words: 945 04:34:38 ]]] 04:34:47 where's that from/ 04:34:58 from the "information" window of editor.py 04:35:02 neat 04:35:29 are you installing Tkinter on OS X? 04:35:38 yeah, not having too much luck tho 04:35:46 ugh 04:36:09 if i run it from the terminal i get: 04:36:10 TclError: no display name and no $DISPLAY environment variable 04:36:19 so i'm grabbing the os x snapshot 04:39:18 ugh, remind me to reduce the DNS TTLs... i've got too much on the stack 04:41:34 ok, Wish works. 04:41:55 -- 04:41:56 File "/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.2/lib/python2.2/lib-tk/Tkinter.py", line 35, in ? 04:41:56 import _tkinter # If this fails your Python may not be configured for Tk 04:41:56 ImportError: No module named _tkinter 04:41:57 -- 04:42:18 ugh, annoying 04:42:30 did you compile python? 04:42:47 for this i'm using a binary from tony.lownds.com/macosx 04:42:57 he claims to have tkinter support 04:46:19 and the only _tkinter I have looks for an X display 04:49:50 oh wait, here's the right one 04:49:58 whee! it worked! 04:50:08 great! 04:50:36 why does it keep making me save? 04:50:47 how so? 04:51:20 oh, i just hit the wrong button. the tear-off menus are weird 04:53:03 hee, hee. high quality documentation 04:53:11 Hmm, it has two Help menus. 04:53:14 One is blank. 04:53:45 ? 04:53:51 goddamnit! 04:53:52 must be a mac thing 04:54:01 cygwin overwrote python2.1 04:54:07 ouch 04:54:18 the tkinter port isn't exactly polished 04:54:35 only one document open at a time? ripoff 04:54:39 http://infomesh.net/2002/editor/screenshot.png 04:54:54 huh? open up a new window. Not difficult 04:55:04 it is on mac os x 04:55:52 argh, no keybindings for copy, paste, etc. 04:56:13 sure: ctrl+[x/c/v] 04:56:21 how come paste doesn't overwrite the highlighted text? 04:56:38 ok, the wrong keybindings ;-) 04:56:56 paste overwrite: works for me 04:57:06 hmm 04:57:52 Hmm, it won't let me edit docs from the web 04:58:07 you have to use Open URI and Save URI 04:58:15 i did. 04:58:21 and you must have savetoweb.py in the same directory if you want to save over FTP 04:58:23 oh -- it's tkinter gone wonky 05:03:32 It's not too bad though, is it? 05:03:44 No, it's quite nice. 05:03:48 well, nothwithstanding the fact that it doesn't work properly on OS X 05:03:50 I'm sure it's much better on Windows. 05:04:05 it's quite solid 05:04:28 Cool. Any plans for syntax coloring? 05:05:40 Hmm... not really. I've never been a fan of syntax coloring, strangely enough 05:06:02 AaronSw has changed the topic to: #swhack: The Original #sbp 05:06:14 i figured 05:06:15 :-) 05:06:41 I just wanted something that edits, over the Web, and could handle line breaks properly 05:06:43 well, i can't say it will replace pepper for me... 05:06:51 lol 05:09:59 Time for another edition of #sbp summaries: 05:09:59 tav likes browser.py, wants to use it in omni 05:10:00 omni is the application framework formerly known as "that application framework" 05:10:01 sbp thinks it should be called . 05:10:04 blanu thinks it's a "component-based architecture for building applications, a la NeXTStep and such." 05:10:20 aaronsw thinks the omni folks grabbed the name omni first 05:10:35 Aaron thinks that #sbp is #swhack, and pastes the summary into the wrong channel 05:10:46 sbp laughs 05:10:49 out loud 05:10:51 :-) 05:12:01 NeXTStep sounds really neat. Tim praised it a lot 05:12:07 next week: aaronsw goes on hiatus leaving the job of summarizing to sbp, who goes on hiatus and leaves it to aaronsw, who both mirror the summaries at their respective websites. in the end, no more summaries are written. 05:12:32 NeXTStep sounds really neat. Tim praised it a lot 05:12:32 heh, heh, heh 05:12:32 Did you hear? They changed the name to "Mac OS X". 05:12:33 ;-) 05:13:09 .google omni group 05:13:10 omni group: http://www.omnigroup.com 05:13:28 .google the omni guys 05:13:29 the omni guys: http://www.omnigroup.com/applications/omniweb/raves/content.html 05:14:54 I wanna work for them: http://www.omnigroup.com/company/whatisomni/philosophy/ 05:16:04 lol! "our corporate chef serves us dinner in our formal dining room every weeknight, we play pool and foozball and watch Jackie Chan movies on our 62 inch television (with its 600 watt THX sound system)." 05:16:24 yeah, that's the bit that enticed me :-) 05:16:54 read: my mom cooks food for us at our house when i get the gang over to watch tv on the couch 05:17:12 ooh:- 05:17:14 [[[ 05:17:14 Omni has a professional chef (and assistant). Dinner is at six-thirty every weeknight. Bring your SO if you like. 05:17:15 Omni buys you all the food and drinks you consume while you are working. Even if you go out to eat. Even if you don't think about work as you chew. 05:17:19 ]]] - http://www.omnigroup.com/company/jobs/ 05:18:00 this just in: tav says omni a codename 05:18:05 aw, they're located in Seattle. I'd have to move 05:18:14 for fucks sake 05:18:17 stop that 05:18:19 lol 05:18:34 or if you want to quote me, do it off log 05:18:42 that'd make it pointless 05:18:49 so, don't quote me 05:18:55 how am i going to remember these things if they're not logged? 05:19:32 emacs things.to.remember 05:19:39 Doc Searls: "You need to grep your fucking memory, and it's hard." 05:20:03 things.to.remember: that's what swhack is 05:20:07 then google lets me search it 05:20:55 i mean why do you need to keep everything so private anyway? 05:21:14 we want people to take these ideas. 05:21:20 (i do, at least) 05:21:31 * sbp sometimes feels a bit weird about having spewed 1MB+ of innane chatter into the Web 05:21:37 heh 05:21:51 ooh, did you see my funny comment to PS? 05:21:58 no, what? 05:22:13 i found several megabytes of archives about who won and lost which hangman games 05:22:17 """BTW, I'm not sure I would have chosen the acronym "URP". Every time I write it, I feel like excusing myself afterwards""" 05:22:32 Heh, heh. 05:23:31 hangman archives: http://archive.snoot.org/ 05:24:02 wow, that is funny 05:24:04 now the whole world can know how i suck at hangsnoot 05:25:22 i'm of the let-people-do-whatever-they-want-and-keep-good-backups philosophy 05:27:13 well, recording where you fucked up, got a bit moody, or vulnerable is depressing sometimes 05:27:41 actually, this channel is an interesting sociological experiment. We have these little logging outburts every so often 05:27:49 you think so? i think it's just further proof that everyone sucks, which is sort of liberating. 05:28:20 Well, I think you have an easier time of it than some. You're more level headed than, for example, I am 05:28:42 hmm, you think so? 05:28:50 in real life, i'm apparently a total hothead 05:29:05 And I know that people like to take things out of context, or simply ignore that fact that you may have changed your opinions since some old rant 05:29:25 that only comes through occasionally on here :-) 05:30:03 heh heh 05:30:58 i think it's pretty clear that when we step into an age wheree your ramblings from age 6 are a few googles away (cf. sandro on google groups) people's perspectives on these things are going to have to change 05:31:39 Sure. And I don't really regret the logging... it's rather interesting, good for searching, reminds me how I've been wasting my time... it's "good" to record things 05:31:58 yep. 05:32:37 sbp has quit (Killed (NickServ (Ghost: SeanP!~sean@m713-mp1-cvx5a.pop.ntl.com))) 05:32:55 sbp (~sean@m713-mp1-cvx5a.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack 05:33:15 that's another good thing: I can catch up on conversations 05:33:33 yeah 05:33:59 see, I would have missed: "05:31:58 yep." 05:34:22 * AaronSw votes in the disney shareholders meeting 05:34:23 it's pretty easy to figure out what to vote for: just pick the opposite of what disney recommends 05:34:41 lol 05:34:48 You own shares in Disney? 05:35:00 i got one or two for my birthday once, from an aunt 05:35:05 neat 05:35:29 see, they want me to vote for "the 2002 Executive Performance Plan" -- obviously that's really the "2002 Give Ourselves Cash Plan" 05:35:53 heh, yeah 05:36:01 they want me to vote against labor standards in China, park safety reporting and independent accountants. 05:36:13 "All those in favour of giving ourselves a 10% pay raise..." 05:36:45 actually, this channel is also interesting in that we act sometimes 05:37:11 remember the cool arguments that we used to have? I really hope someone stumbles across them one day and thinks "woah" 05:37:39 we had cool arguments? 05:37:47 yea, i was wondering that too 05:37:51 when was that? 05:38:11 yeah. about all sorts of stuff, but mainly in the URI/RDF/xWebL days 05:38:19 ah 05:38:26 ah, those were the days 05:38:46 we'd be sort of screaming at each other, and then Aaron would go "heh, look at this article", and then we'd just move onto laughing about that instead 05:39:06 heh 05:39:21 we'd also provide color commentary on whatever craziness was going in in #rdfig 05:39:27 Who needs Shakespeare when you've got #swhack? 05:39:36 heh, yeah. #rdfig is another cool place 05:43:07 if you could only leave 80 ASCII characters to the Web, what would they be? 05:46:59 stop asking me stupid questions and upgrade to OS X, blah, blah, blah 05:47:17 * AaronSw is at 59 chars... 05:47:23 heh, really? 05:47:29 yeah 05:47:32 cool 05:48:02 * sbp hasn't even considered it. Well, I've considered it quite a lot, but not come up with anything 05:48:22 well, I came up with something, but it wasn't very good, and I can't even remember it now 05:49:11 it's not much space: " " 05:49:40 aha -- here it is, my life in 80 chars: 05:49:41 free world net crypto info love share peace protect gaia. u r the world: fix it. 05:49:59 neat! 05:50:21 hmm, i do like that 05:50:31 AaronSw has changed the topic to: free world net crypto info love share peace protect gaia. u r the world: fix it. 05:50:43 BLURB:free world net crypto info love share peace protect gaia. u r the world: fix it. 05:50:45 C: free world net crypto info love share peace protect gaia. u r the world: fix it. from AaronSw 05:51:01 C::This is my life summed up in 80 characters, in response to a question from sbp. 05:51:02 commented item C 05:51:10