00:02:28 sbp has quit (Killed (NickServ (Ghost: SeanP!~sean@m30-mp1-cvx4c.pop.ntl.com))) 00:02:45 sbp (~sean@m30-mp1-cvx4c.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack 00:43:57 @ http://radio.weblogs.com/0101542/2002/01/19.html#a30 00:44:03 A: Bring It On Home from sbp 00:44:13 A:|School Is Terrible 00:44:14 titled item A 00:45:35 A::I was bound to vent this one day. In fact, I restrained myself quite a bit - notwithstanding the fact that I have obviated this for a long time due to Aaron's excellent [http://swartzfam.com/aaron/school/|Schoolyard Subversion] coverage 00:45:36 commented item A 00:46:10 A::"""whilst I am no longer a physical, moral, and intellectual prisoner, I pity all of those that are, and I can only say this: do anything that you can to get out of it. You can make a change - don't give up.""" 00:46:10 commented item A 00:49:11 rillian has quit ("errand") 00:49:16 argh, liberalist is a noun... 01:30:32 tomc has quit (Connection timed out) 02:02:15 sbp has quit (Killed (NickServ (Ghost: SeanP!~sean@m797-mp1-cvx3b.pop.ntl.com))) 02:02:33 sbp (~sean@m797-mp1-cvx3b.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack 02:31:51 sbp has quit (Killed (NickServ (Ghost: SeanP!~sean@m340-mp1-cvx4c.pop.ntl.com))) 02:32:09 sbp (~sean@m340-mp1-cvx4c.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack 02:36:16 Ooh, I wonder if Aaron has his speakers turned on? 02:36:31 AaronSw Hi 02:36:40 AaronSw Hi 02:36:41 AaronSw Hi 02:36:42 AaronSw Hi 02:37:44 If so, that'd be classy - I can infuriate him; just indirectly 02:38:06 AaronSw Hi 02:38:10 AaronSw Hi 02:38:10 AaronSw Hi 02:38:11 AaronSw Hi 02:38:11 AaronSw Hi 02:38:12 AaronSw Hi 02:38:13 AaronSw Hi 02:38:13 AaronSw Hi 02:38:15 AaronSw Hi 02:38:17 AaronSw Hi 02:38:19 yay it works 02:38:55 i turned the speakers up so it works 02:39:56 I wunder if my speling wil foks his tekst 2 voyse deeley 02:41:32 It would have a buggery of a figgery trying to skapwaddle words like "phenky" 02:42:43 argh! 02:42:44 Heh, if I sent messages with "AaronSw" in them at well timed intervals, I might be able to play a tune on his computer 02:44:20 :-) 02:44:44 What were you trying to play? 02:45:03 ya maybe i should put AaronSw in all my long and long long L33T p|-|/-\T L00t ya maybe i should put AaronSw in all my long and long long L33T p|-|/-\T L00t ya maybe i should put AaronSw in all my long and long long L33T p|-|/-\T L00t ya maybe i should put AaronSw in all my long and long long L33T p|-|/-\T L00t 02:48:05 I love hearing L33T /\/\&$$/-\G3Z on AaronSw (0/\/\P 02:48:30 lol (aaronsw) 02:49:13 how does it pronounce AaronSw? 02:49:28 Ya you need to put AaronSw in messages to get thm n da spkrs 02:49:41 Ah 02:49:52 it prononces AaronSw: Aaron swa 02:49:58 lol 02:50:24 myby i shd msspel for nce kils 02:50:30 I think it should be "Aaron's double u" 02:50:46 yes, vats a gud idear 02:50:53 myby i shd msspel for nce kils 02:50:54 Aaronsw 02:51:03 mspell Aaronsw 02:51:22 Bah! aaronsw's mom turned off his spkrs 02:52:03 mybi i shd tk mspeld al nit 02:52:11 "Bah" indeed! 02:52:19 BenSw has changed the topic to: Lt us mspell 02:53:11 How's Vorpal getting along? 02:54:16 BenSw has changed the topic to: THIS TOPIC IS INTETIONLI MISSPELLED 02:54:26 duno 02:55:28 hws yr cmp doin? 02:55:40 sbp has changed the topic to: Bad spellers of the world untie! 02:56:29 Aronsw is sttin nxt to me nd is chkin me if i do smtin rng 02:56:49 * BenSw gts chked by aronsw 02:56:57 I guess he'll thwap you if you do 02:57:06 chked? checked? 02:57:16 choked 02:57:24 ah 02:58:03 hmr: 20 $ al I wnted ws a pent 02:58:15 lol 02:59:54 brn: 20 $ cn by mny penuts 03:00:31 hmr: xpln hw 03:00:51 sbp do nxt ln 03:02:26 sbp mspl tdy 03:27:33 were singn http://www.gnu.org/fun/humor.html#Music 03:34:56 Homer's brain: Money can be exchanged for goods and services 03:34:58 Homer: Woohoo! 03:35:43 Bh! mspl it 03:37:26 Make me 03:37:50 Gotta go nw 03:38:25 BenSw has quit ("mspl tdy") 03:38:25 O.K., c'ya 04:53:14 sbp has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05:01:32 sbp (~sean@m416-mp1-cvx4c.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack 05:41:35 .http://infomesh.net/2001/10/spew.txt 05:41:37 Homer: Woohoo! 06:13:29 Gotta run 06:13:31 sbp has quit ("Homer: 20 dollars? I wanted a peanut!") 08:13:44 tansaku has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 09:39:01 tansaku (~sam@n144-001.tokyu-net.catv.ne.jp) has joined #swhack 10:21:18 tansaku has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 11:46:20 tansaku (~sam@n146-201.tokyu-net.catv.ne.jp) has joined #swhack 12:25:30 tansaku has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13:47:52 tansaku (~sam@n144-001.tokyu-net.catv.ne.jp) has joined #swhack 14:26:22 tansaku has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 15:48:58 tansaku (~sam@n144-001.tokyu-net.catv.ne.jp) has joined #swhack 16:28:00 tansaku has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17:09:50 tav has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17:11:00 tav (tav@host217-34-75-191.in-addr.btopenworld.com) has joined #swhack 17:24:42 tomc (lambda@modem-4070.orangutan.dialup.pol.co.uk) has joined #swhack 17:42:20 sbp (~sean@m720-mp1-cvx5a.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack 17:46:14 * sbp should go through Patrick's... proposals 17:49:07 thc (lambda@modem-1867.monkey.dialup.pol.co.uk) has joined #swhack 17:50:43 Odd: """Note that the URI scheme prefix "auth:" is considered to be a valid URI denoting this URI scheme, though it is not itself a valid URI according to this URI scheme.""" 17:50:45 Hi THC 17:51:05 I'm just going through Patrick Stickler's UR* proposals 17:51:45 hello 17:51:48 cf. http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/uri/2002Jan/0023 17:52:36 tansaku (~sam@n146-193.tokyu-net.catv.ne.jp) has joined #swhack 17:53:05 * sbp should go through the Taxonomy document first - even though it was presented quite a while ago 17:54:29 tomc has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 17:54:54 thc is now known as tomc 17:56:32 heh, heh: """URPs do not allow fragment identifiers and there is no such thing as a "URP Reference"""" 17:58:02 data:text/html,%3Chtml%20xmlns%3D%22http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Ew3%2Eorg%2F1999%2Fxhtml%22%3E%0D%0A%3Chead%3E%3Ctitle%2F%3E%3C%2Fhead%3E%0D%0A%3Cbody%3E%0D%0A%3Cp%20id%3D%22blargh%22%2F%3E%0D%0A%3C%2Fbody%3E%0D%0A%3C%2Fhtml%3E 17:58:30 I'm sure that that can have data:text/html,%3Chtml%20xmlns%3D%22http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Ew3%2Eorg%2F1999%2Fxhtml%22%3E%0D%0A%3Chead%3E%3Ctitle%2F%3E%3C%2Fhead%3E%0D%0A%3Cbody%3E%0D%0A%3Cp%20id%3D%22blargh%22%2F%3E%0D%0A%3C%2Fbody%3E%0D%0A%3C%2Fhtml%3E#blargh as a meaningful URP-ref 18:02:09 Mwahahaha! He referenced ESL as a URV 18:02:24 I wonder what would happen if I submitted it as a URN? Heh, heh 18:09:33 Well, his proposals are only semi-nutty, so I'm quite impressed 18:09:52 They're certainly not as nutty as some of the URI related things that I've proposed over the years 18:10:29 "hrn:" is a bit smegged because it allows domain names to be used for the authority component 18:10:40 I think MM already pointed out that that isn't persistent 18:10:52 Of course, it could be fixed by adding a date component 18:11:02 then it would end up looking like TAG 18:11:18 which is a URT (I think) under this taxonomy :-) 18:13:05 Seemed fairly reasonable. 18:14:12 well, it's a bit odd that way. People will be asking him what group their new schemes belong to, every time one is invented :-) 18:15:09 weren't the groupss distinct enough for schemes to be easily classified? 18:17:41 I'm not sure. But it doesn't look like it, if HRN/TAG are going to be misplaced 18:21:18 heh, can a QName URI be used as the base of a QName? Of course, it can, so you'd end up with:- 18:21:38 qname:name:qname:firstname:http://blargh.org/ns 18:21:48 ooh, and what about "#" 18:22:22 * sbp jumps 18:22:25 """Thanks to Sean Palmer (sean@mysterylights.com) for his insightful comments and suggestions regarding earlier formulations of this URI scheme and for suggesting the preservation of contextual information differentiating elements, global attributes, and per-element attributes.""" 18:22:40 oh yeah, I do recall that 18:23:07 ah, he added:- 18:23:07 globalAttr = "@" attribute 18:23:07 perElementAttr = element "@" attribute 18:23:41 that is actually encouraging - getting a decent taxonomy for namespace partions is a big thing on my TODO list 18:25:31 URI URI: a string would probably do. I like DanC's "how Perl programmers would handle datatypes" 18:27:08 Huh?: """This provides a more robust and safe treatment of unqualified names than the 'online:' or 'genid:' treatments employed by most RDF systems to date.""" 18:27:11 tomc is now known as tomc|food 18:27:15 (in voc:) 18:27:25 So voc: is for anon nodes? 19:22:34 sbp has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19:36:03 tomc|food has quit (Connection timed out) 19:58:26 sbp (~sean@m746-mp1-cvx4c.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack 20:16:08 sbp has quit (Killed (NickServ (Ghost: SeanP!~sean@m879-mp1-cvx3b.pop.ntl.com))) 20:16:26 sbp (~sean@m879-mp1-cvx3b.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack 20:22:56 tansaku has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 20:23:04 * sbp wonders about a URI stamped tab-delimited data format 20:24:07 USTDD = uri '\n' line+; line = [ data '\t' ]+ '\n' 20:26:18 data = [^\t\n]* 20:26:54 dunno about i18n, although that's important 20:28:43 then, all of the data "items" would be addressable using a QName [ a :DataItem; :ns ; :name "data" ] . 20:32:29 Heh, I could come up with a new URP for it: ustdd:data:http://blargh.org/# 20:33:09 * sbp decides that uri really should be *URI*, and not URI-Reference 20:33:34 Hmm... should it be fixed column width? 20:39:32 that would shift it up Chomsky's hierarchy, though 20:45:01 whilst I'm defining new data formats, it'd be nice to have a kind-of RDF, but with as many columns as you want 20:45:26 doc = prefix+ statement+ 20:46:01 prefix = "'" pre "' " uri-view "\n" 20:46:30 statement = QName | URI-view | Literal 20:46:54 oops 20:47:28 statement = [ [ QName | URI-view | Literal ] "\t" ]+ "\n" 20:47:34 or something or other 21:00:07 the problem with RDF is that >2-ary relations into triples generates a lot more data 21:09:13 ° 21:31:54 sbp has quit (Killed (NickServ (Ghost: SeanP!~sean@m371-mp1-cvx4c.pop.ntl.com))) 21:32:12 sbp (~sean@m371-mp1-cvx4c.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack 21:36:28 * sbp finds that there's a Geocache astonishingly near him 21:36:28 even more remarkably, there are pictures of the location online, and I recognize it. I might walk there one day and poke about for it! :-) 21:59:07 tansaku (~sam@n144-156.tokyu-net.catv.ne.jp) has joined #swhack 22:08:56 SeanP (sbp@m371-mp1-cvx4c.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack 22:09:03 * SeanP tries XChat for Windows 22:16:27 SeanP has left #swhack 22:16:41 SeanP (sbp@m371-mp1-cvx4c.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack 22:21:33 SeanP has quit ("Client Exiting") 22:31:01 sbp has quit (Killed (NickServ (Ghost: SeanP!~sean@m752-mp1-cvx4c.pop.ntl.com))) 22:31:19 sbp (~sean@m752-mp1-cvx4c.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack 22:38:32 BenSw (~Snak@12-249-96-16.client.attbi.com) has joined #swhack 22:38:41 Hi Ben 22:38:54 Hello 22:55:50 Whats up? 22:58:33 heh, heh:- 22:58:33 [[[ 22:58:34 LUKE: But how will I know why Python is better than Perl? 22:58:34 YODA: You will know. When your code you try to read six months from 22:58:34 now. 22:58:42 ]]] - http://www.python.org/doc/Humor.html#yoda 23:02:32 lol 23:02:50 sbp have you seen 'Antitrust'? 23:24:39 URI? 23:37:34 Its a movie 23:39:06 BenSw has quit ("monkey") 23:40:02 .imdb antitrust 23:40:03 http://www.imdb.com/M/title-substring?&type=fuzzy&title=antitrust 23:40:04 * AaronSw waves 23:40:34 Man, you guys had some fun with my nick last night. 23:43:31 Heh, it pronounces this beautifully: 23:43:31 I wunder if my speling wil foks his tekst 2 voyse deeley 23:43:31 It would have a buggery of a figgery trying to skapwaddle words like "phenky" 23:43:31 yes, vats a gud idear 23:48:05 ooh, we should have gone and found that geocache while we were at your house. 23:48:38 so, sbp, what do I say to people when they ask me what I think of Stickler's proposals. 23:49:58 Heh. Hi there Aaron 23:50:09 small burst of activity, there? 23:50:13 Heh, yeah. 23:50:20 unloading a day's worth of irc. 23:50:47 Stickler: not sure, yet. I started to draft an email, but got a bit distracted, and now I don't want to pick it up again 23:50:59 Did you see my subversive rant? 23:51:03 i figure you can be my thinking processor, and i can be your walking-thingamajig. together, we'll be unstopable! 23:51:06 subversive: not yet... 23:51:18 well, i saw it but haven't read it 23:51:36 heh, good idea. Except I was thinking of you and my processor and rover 23:51:58 meanwhile, I'll just sit indoors and watch The Simpsons 23:52:35 Heh, you're not getting off so easy! 23:52:50 Aw... 23:53:01 I just need to get an IRC implant. 23:53:35 heh, this is what happened to my rant to Patrick:- 23:53:38 [[[ 23:53:38 Michael already commented that using a domain name for the authority 23:53:39 component is not a good idea, but I'd like to take that further. Using 23:53:39 a UUID is alright, 23:53:39 0200201071518573025infomesh.net 23:53:40 ]]] 23:53:59 heh! 23:54:00 as you can see, I started thinking about creating a new UUID syntax, and it went off at a tangent from there 23:54:13 * AaronSw registers 0200201071518573025infomesh.net 23:54:19 heh, heh 23:54:49 I figured out how to solve my procmail problem. The answer was not to use procmail generally. 23:55:06 Hmm... good solution 23:55:11 What's "procmail"? 23:55:14 * sbp does a Linus 23:55:18 a Linus? 23:55:47 procmail is a mail processor. It lets you do server-side filtering and stuff like that. 23:55:47 yeah, sure. Charlie Brown would do something good, and Linus would be all, "ooh, that's really clever, Charlie Brown. Yes, sir!" 23:56:01 and then he'd ask him what on earth he just did 23:56:18 as in "process mail" 23:56:27 lol: http://snoopy.com/comics/peanuts/archive/images/peanuts20020112187219.gif 23:56:48 "an impassioned plea against the stamp act" 23:56:50 * sbp does the usual cartoon-catch-up 23:57:02 how piggy! 23:58:16 Patricia Reichardt? 23:58:33 the dress code 23:59:08 oops: my question was unrelated to your statement 23:59:24 I didn't know (until now) that that was Peppermint Patty's real name 23:59:32 8/22/66 (actual name Patricia Reichardt) 23:59:38 - http://www.peanutscollectorclub.com/debuts.html