IRC log of swhack on 2002-01-19
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- @ http://radio.weblogs.com/0101542/2002/01/19.html#a30
- 00:44:03 [chumpster]
- A: Bring It On Home from sbp
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- A:|School Is Terrible
- 00:44:14 [chumpster]
- titled item A
- 00:45:35 [sbp]
- A::I was bound to vent this one day. In fact, I restrained myself quite a bit - notwithstanding the fact that I have obviated this for a long time due to Aaron's excellent [http://swartzfam.com/aaron/school/|Schoolyard Subversion] coverage
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- commented item A
- 00:46:10 [sbp]
- A::"""whilst I am no longer a physical, moral, and intellectual prisoner, I pity all of those that are, and I can only say this: do anything that you can to get out of it. You can make a change - don't give up."""
- 00:46:10 [chumpster]
- commented item A
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- argh, liberalist is a noun...
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- 02:36:16 [sbp]
- Ooh, I wonder if Aaron has his speakers turned on?
- 02:36:31 [BenSw]
- AaronSw Hi
- 02:36:40 [BenSw]
- AaronSw Hi
- 02:36:41 [BenSw]
- AaronSw Hi
- 02:36:42 [BenSw]
- AaronSw Hi
- 02:37:44 [sbp]
- If so, that'd be classy - I can infuriate him; just indirectly
- 02:38:06 [BenSw]
- AaronSw Hi
- 02:38:10 [BenSw]
- AaronSw Hi
- 02:38:10 [BenSw]
- AaronSw Hi
- 02:38:11 [BenSw]
- AaronSw Hi
- 02:38:11 [BenSw]
- AaronSw Hi
- 02:38:12 [BenSw]
- AaronSw Hi
- 02:38:13 [BenSw]
- AaronSw Hi
- 02:38:13 [BenSw]
- AaronSw Hi
- 02:38:15 [BenSw]
- AaronSw Hi
- 02:38:17 [BenSw]
- AaronSw Hi
- 02:38:19 [BenSw]
- yay it works
- 02:38:55 [BenSw]
- i turned the speakers up so it works
- 02:39:56 [sbp]
- I wunder if my speling wil foks his tekst 2 voyse deeley
- 02:41:32 [sbp]
- It would have a buggery of a figgery trying to skapwaddle words like "phenky"
- 02:42:43 [sbp]
- argh!
- 02:42:44 [sbp]
- Heh, if I sent messages with "AaronSw" in them at well timed intervals, I might be able to play a tune on his computer
- 02:44:20 [sbp]
- :-)
- 02:44:44 [sbp]
- What were you trying to play?
- 02:45:03 [BenSw]
- ya maybe i should put AaronSw in all my long and long long L33T p|-|/-\T L00t ya maybe i should put AaronSw in all my long and long long L33T p|-|/-\T L00t ya maybe i should put AaronSw in all my long and long long L33T p|-|/-\T L00t ya maybe i should put AaronSw in all my long and long long L33T p|-|/-\T L00t
- 02:48:05 [BenSw]
- I love hearing L33T /\/\&$$/-\G3Z on AaronSw (0/\/\P
- 02:48:30 [BenSw]
- lol (aaronsw)
- 02:49:13 [sbp]
- how does it pronounce AaronSw?
- 02:49:28 [BenSw]
- Ya you need to put AaronSw in messages to get thm n da spkrs
- 02:49:41 [sbp]
- Ah
- 02:49:52 [BenSw]
- it prononces AaronSw: Aaron swa
- 02:49:58 [sbp]
- lol
- 02:50:24 [BenSw]
- myby i shd msspel for nce kils
- 02:50:30 [sbp]
- I think it should be "Aaron's double u"
- 02:50:46 [sbp]
- yes, vats a gud idear
- 02:50:53 [BenSw]
- myby i shd msspel for nce kils
- 02:50:54 [BenSw]
- Aaronsw
- 02:51:03 [BenSw]
- mspell Aaronsw
- 02:51:22 [BenSw]
- Bah! aaronsw's mom turned off his spkrs
- 02:52:03 [BenSw]
- mybi i shd tk mspeld al nit
- 02:52:11 [sbp]
- "Bah" indeed!
- 02:52:19 [BenSw]
- BenSw has changed the topic to: Lt us mspell
- 02:53:11 [sbp]
- How's Vorpal getting along?
- 02:54:16 [BenSw]
- BenSw has changed the topic to: THIS TOPIC IS INTETIONLI MISSPELLED
- 02:54:26 [BenSw]
- duno
- 02:55:28 [BenSw]
- hws yr cmp doin?
- 02:55:40 [sbp]
- sbp has changed the topic to: Bad spellers of the world untie!
- 02:56:29 [BenSw]
- Aronsw is sttin nxt to me nd is chkin me if i do smtin rng
- 02:56:49 [BenSw]
- * BenSw gts chked by aronsw
- 02:56:57 [sbp]
- I guess he'll thwap you if you do
- 02:57:06 [sbp]
- chked? checked?
- 02:57:16 [BenSw]
- choked
- 02:57:24 [sbp]
- ah
- 02:58:03 [BenSw]
- hmr: 20 $ al I wnted ws a pent
- 02:58:15 [BenSw]
- lol
- 02:59:54 [BenSw]
- brn: 20 $ cn by mny penuts
- 03:00:31 [BenSw]
- hmr: xpln hw
- 03:00:51 [BenSw]
- sbp do nxt ln
- 03:02:26 [BenSw]
- sbp mspl tdy
- 03:27:33 [BenSw]
- were singn http://www.gnu.org/fun/humor.html#Music
- 03:34:56 [sbp]
- Homer's brain: Money can be exchanged for goods and services
- 03:34:58 [sbp]
- Homer: Woohoo!
- 03:35:43 [BenSw]
- Bh! mspl it
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- Make me
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- Gotta go nw
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- 03:38:25 [sbp]
- O.K., c'ya
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- .http://infomesh.net/2001/10/spew.txt
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- Homer: Woohoo!
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- Gotta run
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- * sbp should go through Patrick's... proposals
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- Odd: """Note that the URI scheme prefix "auth:" is considered to be a valid URI denoting this URI scheme, though it is not itself a valid URI according to this URI scheme."""
- 17:50:45 [sbp]
- Hi THC
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- I'm just going through Patrick Stickler's UR* proposals
- 17:51:45 [thc]
- hello
- 17:51:48 [sbp]
- cf. http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/uri/2002Jan/0023
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- 17:53:05 [sbp]
- * sbp should go through the Taxonomy document first - even though it was presented quite a while ago
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- 17:56:32 [sbp]
- heh, heh: """URPs do not allow fragment identifiers and there is no such thing as a "URP Reference""""
- 17:58:02 [sbp]
- data:text/html,%3Chtml%20xmlns%3D%22http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Ew3%2Eorg%2F1999%2Fxhtml%22%3E%0D%0A%3Chead%3E%3Ctitle%2F%3E%3C%2Fhead%3E%0D%0A%3Cbody%3E%0D%0A%3Cp%20id%3D%22blargh%22%2F%3E%0D%0A%3C%2Fbody%3E%0D%0A%3C%2Fhtml%3E
- 17:58:30 [sbp]
- I'm sure that that can have data:text/html,%3Chtml%20xmlns%3D%22http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Ew3%2Eorg%2F1999%2Fxhtml%22%3E%0D%0A%3Chead%3E%3Ctitle%2F%3E%3C%2Fhead%3E%0D%0A%3Cbody%3E%0D%0A%3Cp%20id%3D%22blargh%22%2F%3E%0D%0A%3C%2Fbody%3E%0D%0A%3C%2Fhtml%3E#blargh as a meaningful URP-ref
- 18:02:09 [sbp]
- Mwahahaha! He referenced ESL as a URV
- 18:02:24 [sbp]
- I wonder what would happen if I submitted it as a URN? Heh, heh
- 18:09:33 [sbp]
- Well, his proposals are only semi-nutty, so I'm quite impressed
- 18:09:52 [sbp]
- They're certainly not as nutty as some of the URI related things that I've proposed over the years
- 18:10:29 [sbp]
- "hrn:" is a bit smegged because it allows domain names to be used for the authority component
- 18:10:40 [sbp]
- I think MM already pointed out that that isn't persistent
- 18:10:52 [sbp]
- Of course, it could be fixed by adding a date component
- 18:11:02 [sbp]
- then it would end up looking like TAG
- 18:11:18 [sbp]
- which is a URT (I think) under this taxonomy :-)
- 18:13:05 [tomc]
- Seemed fairly reasonable.
- 18:14:12 [sbp]
- well, it's a bit odd that way. People will be asking him what group their new schemes belong to, every time one is invented :-)
- 18:15:09 [tomc]
- weren't the groupss distinct enough for schemes to be easily classified?
- 18:17:41 [sbp]
- I'm not sure. But it doesn't look like it, if HRN/TAG are going to be misplaced
- 18:21:18 [sbp]
- heh, can a QName URI be used as the base of a QName? Of course, it can, so you'd end up with:-
- 18:21:38 [sbp]
- qname:name:qname:firstname:http://blargh.org/ns
- 18:21:48 [sbp]
- ooh, and what about "#"
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- * sbp jumps
- 18:22:25 [sbp]
- """Thanks to Sean Palmer (sean@mysterylights.com) for his insightful comments and suggestions regarding earlier formulations of this URI scheme and for suggesting the preservation of contextual information differentiating elements, global attributes, and per-element attributes."""
- 18:22:40 [sbp]
- oh yeah, I do recall that
- 18:23:07 [sbp]
- ah, he added:-
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- globalAttr = "@" attribute
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- perElementAttr = element "@" attribute
- 18:23:41 [sbp]
- that is actually encouraging - getting a decent taxonomy for namespace partions is a big thing on my TODO list
- 18:25:31 [sbp]
- URI URI: a string would probably do. I like DanC's "how Perl programmers would handle datatypes"
- 18:27:08 [sbp]
- Huh?: """This provides a more robust and safe treatment of unqualified names than the 'online:' or 'genid:' treatments employed by most RDF systems to date."""
- 18:27:11 [tomc]
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- 18:27:15 [sbp]
- (in voc:)
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- So voc: is for anon nodes?
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- 20:23:04 [sbp]
- * sbp wonders about a URI stamped tab-delimited data format
- 20:24:07 [sbp]
- USTDD = uri '\n' line+; line = [ data '\t' ]+ '\n'
- 20:26:18 [sbp]
- data = [^\t\n]*
- 20:26:54 [sbp]
- dunno about i18n, although that's important
- 20:28:43 [sbp]
- then, all of the data "items" would be addressable using a QName [ a :DataItem; :ns <http://blargh.org/#>; :name "data" ] .
- 20:32:29 [sbp]
- Heh, I could come up with a new URP for it: ustdd:data:http://blargh.org/#
- 20:33:09 [sbp]
- * sbp decides that uri really should be *URI*, and not URI-Reference
- 20:33:34 [sbp]
- Hmm... should it be fixed column width?
- 20:39:32 [sbp]
- that would shift it up Chomsky's hierarchy, though
- 20:45:01 [sbp]
- whilst I'm defining new data formats, it'd be nice to have a kind-of RDF, but with as many columns as you want
- 20:45:26 [sbp]
- doc = prefix+ statement+
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- prefix = "'" pre "' " uri-view "\n"
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- statement = QName | URI-view | Literal
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- oops
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- statement = [ [ QName | URI-view | Literal ] "\t" ]+ "\n"
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- or something or other
- 21:00:07 [sbp]
- the problem with RDF is that >2-ary relations into triples generates a lot more data
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- °
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- * sbp finds that there's a Geocache astonishingly near him
- 21:36:28 [sbp]
- <sbp> even more remarkably, there are pictures of the location online, and I recognize it. I might walk there one day and poke about for it! :-)
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- 22:38:41 [sbp]
- Hi Ben
- 22:38:54 [BenSw]
- Hello
- 22:55:50 [BenSw]
- Whats up?
- 22:58:33 [sbp]
- heh, heh:-
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- [[[
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- LUKE: But how will I know why Python is better than Perl?
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- YODA: You will know. When your code you try to read six months from
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- now.
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- ]]] - http://www.python.org/doc/Humor.html#yoda
- 23:02:32 [BenSw]
- lol
- 23:02:50 [BenSw]
- sbp have you seen 'Antitrust'?
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- URI?
- 23:37:34 [BenSw]
- Its a movie
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- 23:40:02 [AaronSw]
- .imdb antitrust
- 23:40:03 [xena]
- http://www.imdb.com/M/title-substring?&type=fuzzy&title=antitrust
- 23:40:04 [AaronSw]
- * AaronSw waves
- 23:40:34 [AaronSw]
- Man, you guys had some fun with my nick last night.
- 23:43:31 [AaronSw]
- Heh, it pronounces this beautifully:
- 23:43:31 [AaronSw]
- <sbp> I wunder if my speling wil foks his tekst 2 voyse deeley
- 23:43:31 [AaronSw]
- <sbp> It would have a buggery of a figgery trying to skapwaddle words like "phenky"
- 23:43:31 [AaronSw]
- <sbp> yes, vats a gud idear
- 23:48:05 [AaronSw]
- ooh, we should have gone and found that geocache while we were at your house.
- 23:48:38 [AaronSw]
- so, sbp, what do I say to people when they ask me what I think of Stickler's proposals.
- 23:49:58 [sbp]
- Heh. Hi there Aaron
- 23:50:09 [sbp]
- small burst of activity, there?
- 23:50:13 [AaronSw]
- Heh, yeah.
- 23:50:20 [AaronSw]
- unloading a day's worth of irc.
- 23:50:47 [sbp]
- Stickler: not sure, yet. I started to draft an email, but got a bit distracted, and now I don't want to pick it up again
- 23:50:59 [sbp]
- Did you see my subversive rant?
- 23:51:03 [AaronSw]
- i figure you can be my thinking processor, and i can be your walking-thingamajig. together, we'll be unstopable!
- 23:51:06 [AaronSw]
- subversive: not yet...
- 23:51:18 [AaronSw]
- well, i saw it but haven't read it
- 23:51:36 [sbp]
- heh, good idea. Except I was thinking of you and my processor and rover
- 23:51:58 [sbp]
- meanwhile, I'll just sit indoors and watch The Simpsons
- 23:52:35 [AaronSw]
- Heh, you're not getting off so easy!
- 23:52:50 [sbp]
- Aw...
- 23:53:01 [AaronSw]
- I just need to get an IRC implant.
- 23:53:35 [sbp]
- heh, this is what happened to my rant to Patrick:-
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- [[[
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- Michael already commented that using a domain name for the authority
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- component is not a good idea, but I'd like to take that further. Using
- 23:53:39 [sbp]
- a UUID is alright,
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- 0200201071518573025infomesh.net
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- ]]]
- 23:53:59 [AaronSw]
- heh!
- 23:54:00 [sbp]
- as you can see, I started thinking about creating a new UUID syntax, and it went off at a tangent from there
- 23:54:13 [AaronSw]
- * AaronSw registers 0200201071518573025infomesh.net
- 23:54:19 [sbp]
- heh, heh
- 23:54:49 [AaronSw]
- I figured out how to solve my procmail problem. The answer was not to use procmail generally.
- 23:55:06 [sbp]
- Hmm... good solution
- 23:55:11 [sbp]
- What's "procmail"?
- 23:55:14 [sbp]
- * sbp does a Linus
- 23:55:18 [AaronSw]
- a Linus?
- 23:55:47 [AaronSw]
- procmail is a mail processor. It lets you do server-side filtering and stuff like that.
- 23:55:47 [sbp]
- yeah, sure. Charlie Brown would do something good, and Linus would be all, "ooh, that's really clever, Charlie Brown. Yes, sir!"
- 23:56:01 [sbp]
- and then he'd ask him what on earth he just did
- 23:56:18 [sbp]
- as in "process mail"
- 23:56:27 [AaronSw]
- lol: http://snoopy.com/comics/peanuts/archive/images/peanuts20020112187219.gif
- 23:56:48 [AaronSw]
- "an impassioned plea against the stamp act"
- 23:56:50 [sbp]
- * sbp does the usual cartoon-catch-up
- 23:57:02 [AaronSw]
- how piggy!
- 23:58:16 [sbp]
- Patricia Reichardt?
- 23:58:33 [AaronSw]
- the dress code
- 23:59:08 [sbp]
- oops: my question was unrelated to your statement
- 23:59:24 [sbp]
- I didn't know (until now) that that was Peppermint Patty's real name
- 23:59:32 [AaronSw]
- 8/22/66 (actual name Patricia Reichardt)
- 23:59:38 [AaronSw]
- - http://www.peanutscollectorclub.com/debuts.html