00:14:21 thc has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00:14:37 tomc is now known as thc 00:15:53 * sbp waves 00:17:21 * thc waves 00:18:18 * AaronSw waves 00:18:41 who can package? whois your man? debian, debian, that's who can! 00:29:27 the only problem with debian is its crazy python scheme 00:32:16 * sbp should be updating BIOH 00:33:23 crazy python? 00:33:37 ooh, IEEE edited my article 00:33:48 python: new versions of python have different names, so they aren't upgraded 00:33:57 for example, python 2.2 is called python2.2 00:34:09 that's python's own scheme 00:34:24 in what way? it doesn't compile like that. 00:34:37 /usr/biin/python is a link to the latest (or whichever is wanted as default) 00:34:51 yes, i mean the packages are different, and the resulting installs 00:34:52 sure it does 00:35:19 so if you upgrade python, you still get python 1.5.2 00:42:01 Amazing how every other channel seemed to suffer netsplits, but we're all on the same server group 00:42:13 hmm, i didn't notice 00:42:23 all hail the swhack server! 00:45:08 Heh, heh 00:45:44 heh 00:45:48 i'm on hogan 00:45:58 .time 00:45:58 2002/01/18 00:47:36.7086 Universal 00:46:00 maybe i split 00:46:02 i'm on forward 00:46:03 or suffering huge lags 00:46:03 anyways, be sure to install python2.2-xml 00:46:15 tav_ and tav` are on forward 00:46:19 ok... think it installed automatically 00:46:22 but i'll check 00:46:27 it did? 00:46:28 hmz 00:46:29 tav_, eh? 00:46:34 another tav 00:46:46 sbp sees him in some channels 00:46:48 i grabed the "python bundle" which had all sorts of goodies 00:47:29 "python bundle" ? 00:47:47 yeah, in the very first installation process 00:47:56 oh 00:48:05 i hated those bundles 00:48:12 why? 00:48:16 i reinstalled to a v.nice 60 mb install 00:48:32 the bundles installed all kinds of shit i didn't want 00:48:37 BenSwX (~Snak@12-249-96-16.client.attbi.com) has joined #swhack 00:49:09 well, i've plenty disk space so i don't really mind 00:50:26 well, i was more interested in knowing exactly what i installed 00:50:34 Hello 00:50:39 hi ben 00:50:45 hi 00:50:50 taken over AaronSw's box whilst he's playing on vorpal? 00:51:01 Reload BIOH, guys 00:51:07 Heh, heh 00:51:08 he, 'course not 00:51:21 i'm playing via SSH now 00:51:46 I was stymied by the acronym BIOH for a while 00:51:54 :-) 00:52:23 did you change the design or will i pick it up via RSS? 00:52:31 RSS 00:52:54 .e bioh 00:52:54 bioh: http://radio.weblogs.com/0101542/ 00:52:59 heh 00:53:19 Kick-ass! 00:53:22 why couldn't userland just leave out the frigging 0's ? 00:53:39 1542 is so much easier to recall than 0101542 00:53:45 yeah, you're right 00:53:54 and this from someone who memorised his private key 00:54:08 you memorized it??? fuck! 00:54:11 how many bits? 00:54:24 i can't recall the second half no more 00:54:27 perhaps there was some advantage to them (DW et. al.) using a fixed-amount of characters 00:54:35 heh, that's a bit of a bummer 00:55:52 heh, frizzy 00:55:59 :-) 00:56:13 -- 00:56:13 I couldn't face getting attached to it and then having it taken away from me after the evaluation period 00:56:14 -- 00:56:15 hmz 00:56:28 what happens to the blog after the 30 days? 00:56:41 does userland delete it? or just freeze your account? 00:56:50 i don't think they've said 00:57:31 * sbp is rather worried too 00:57:40 * sbp goes to http://www.acronymfinder.com/add.asp?acronym=BIOH and plans a new entry 00:57:50 heh 00:57:51 if they take it down, I'll just move it, anyway 00:58:11 i'll move it anyway 00:58:25 I need a cooler URI... maybe aaronsw.com/weblog/ 00:58:37 sbp: you'll like what philh and i are making 00:58:47 uh oh. radio zope? 00:58:53 radio zopists 00:58:59 heh 00:59:02 radio zopists 01:00:19 * sbp might use http://infomesh.net/weblog/ or http://infomesh.net/bioh/ 01:00:34 radzops 01:00:42 I like the idea 01:01:10 [GlobalNotice] Hey all, just letting you know we're working on this problem. Not sure exactly what the deal is, though it appears a massive clone attack transpired with #debian as its epicenter. We're doing our best to get the network's stability back. More updates as new information is available. 01:03:14 *sigh* 01:03:17 first morbus was here 01:03:24 then he's in #iA 01:03:47 heh, don't tell him 01:04:05 no, i don't want him to do #p2p-hackers 01:04:18 how old is he? 01:04:45 i dunno offhand 01:04:55 it's strange. i don't feel that way about anyone. but morbus and kazz.... 01:05:49 heh, there's python2.2-elisp (i went and manually added python-mode) 01:06:00 apt-get is surprisingly up to date 01:06:08 well, at least /unstable is 01:06:29 * sbp notes that #iA doesn't have logs 01:07:11 sure it does 01:07:17 ?? logs 01:07:17 ehm 01:07:23 what's -f do? 01:07:32 it does but they're espian-private 01:07:35 irclogs.espnow.com/infoanarchy-logs 01:07:39 ah 01:07:52 -f on? 01:07:56 apt-get 01:08:10 didn't know there was that 01:08:12 oh, it forces it 01:08:18 -f Attempt to continue if the integrity check fails 01:08:31 my favorite feature is apt-get moo 01:08:45 i know update / upgrade / check / install / remove / clean 01:09:04 lol @ moo 01:09:09 how'd you find that? 01:09:19 This APT has Super Cow Powers. 01:09:42 you worked it out from that? 01:10:01 no... the debian fans used to post it into the channel all the time 01:10:07 ah 01:11:55 ok, looks like i've got woody all set up 01:12:00 i guess now i should install the ram 01:12:16 I don't understand this message: 01:12:17 The following packages have been kept back 01:12:18 debian-policy 01:12:18 0 01:12:45 did they get bad marks in class or something? 01:15:30 [GlobalNotice] Okay, it looks like it's under control and most everything has been restored. We apologize for the violent interruption in service. Thank you for using the Open Projects Network. If any new information comes up, we'll keep everyone posted. Thank you. 01:21:59 rillian (~giles@mist.thaumas.net) has joined #swhack 01:22:08 vorpal? 01:22:34 Vorpal 01:22:37 Aaron's new server 01:22:43 .google Vorpal 01:22:44 Vorpal: http://www.hamline.edu/~thodapp/morris/vorpal.html 01:23:43 man that ram was hard to install 01:24:28 AaronSw: congrats. and yes, debian does rock 01:24:36 thanks. :-) 01:24:39 I decided to name my servers after made-up words in Jabberwocky. if i run out i can expand to carollian words, and then to made-up phenomic words, and then just phenomic words. 01:24:51 the machine I used in undergrad was vorpal.phys.ucsb.edu :) 01:25:04 heh, cool 01:25:26 it was a general wonderland theme 01:25:27 named after jabberwocky or D&D? 01:25:30 ah 01:25:36 the first two were tweedledum and tweedledee 01:25:42 then red queen, etc. 01:25:51 i know that jhendler at umd has teaparty and madhatter, etc. 01:26:01 vorpal was a little uninspired theme-wise, but sure sounds good as a hostname :) 01:26:17 heh, yeah. 01:26:27 seems like the theme thing has gone out of fashion a bit 01:27:20 mewtwo is cute :) 01:27:47 AaronSw: so, care to share the specs for our vicarious enjoyment? 01:28:17 i noticed the daml.org servers were named after the seven deadly sins... which was quite funny when the server forgot that it was www and redirected people to pride.com 01:28:34 lol 01:28:53 uh oh... 01:28:58 interesting: http://sport.guardian.co.uk/formulaone/story/0,10069,632336,00.html 01:30:56 $ ssh vorpal 01:30:56 Last login: Thu Jan 17 19:29:02 2002 from 192.168.1.108 on pts/0 01:30:56 Linux vorpal 2.2.19 #1 Sat Jun 9 13:04:06 EST 2001 i686 unknown 01:30:56 Dell PowerEdge 500SC: 1000Mhz P3, 1GB RAM, 40GB Disk 01:30:59 (for rillian) 01:31:11 it's awfully noisy tho.. can't wait to move it to the server room 01:31:30 yeah, I've been worrying about that 01:31:40 my desktop (rain) died last fall 01:31:48 and I've been stalling on replacing it 01:32:13 hmm 01:32:25 all the dirt-cheap pc hardware seems to require very loud fans these days 01:32:36 yeah, another reason i like my macs :) 01:32:58 I was pleasantly surprised that this was only $7000 01:33:00 err $700 01:33:02 gotta run 01:33:12 c'ya later 01:33:44 cheers 01:33:44 tansaku (~sam@n146-007.tokyu-net.catv.ne.jp) has joined #swhack 01:35:25 yes, I'll certainly be lusting for a G5 tower, too, but that will be quite expensive 01:52:10 thc has quit ("reconnection time") 01:58:55 tomc (lambda@modem-603.python.dialup.pol.co.uk) has joined #swhack 01:59:16 tomc is now known as thc 02:09:28 sbp has quit (Killed (NickServ (Ghost: SeanP!~sean@m19-mp1-cvx4c.pop.ntl.com))) 02:09:47 sbp (~sean@m19-mp1-cvx4c.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack 02:17:02 wb 02:17:56 ty 02:20:01 heh: http://www.planetout.com/images/newsplanet/comics/new_size/ethan/meeyowl.gif 02:23:07 :o) sweet 02:24:04 thc is now known as tomc 02:24:59 I think I'll avoid my initials in future 02:25:35 why? 02:26:15 .acronym thc 02:26:17 thc: Tetrahydrocannabinol (psychoactive compound in marijuana), Target Heading Change, Target Homing Correlator, Temperature and Humidity Control, Terminal Handling Charge, Texas Hemp Campaign, Texas Historical Commission (aka Texas SHPO), The Happy Chemical, Thunder Hill Crew, Total Hydrocarbon, Trace Heating Control, Tsinghua Class of Changsha First Middle School, Hunan, PR China 02:27:05 Tetrahydrocannabinol gets less and less hillarious 02:29:30 sbp has quit (Killed (NickServ (Ghost: SeanP!~sean@m186-mp1-cvx3b.pop.ntl.com))) 02:29:50 sbp (~sean@m186-mp1-cvx3b.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack 02:30:05 wb again 02:30:13 ty again :-) 02:31:20 Mmmm, G5 tower... 02:31:34 .acronym tav 02:31:36 tav: Technical Architecture View, Technical Assistance Visit, Technical Availability, Tender Availability, Test and Verification, Timestamp-interval Adjustment at Validation, Total Asset Visibility, Transatmospheric Vehicle, Transit Accounting Version 02:31:50 aha! 02:32:46 The TAG will no doubt produce a TAV. 02:33:01 huh? 02:33:08 "Technical Architecture View" 02:33:43 .acronym tag 02:33:44 tag: Tactical Ada Guidance, Tactical Airlift Group, Tactical Assault Group, Tagalog (Filipino language), Tagbilaran, Philippines - Tagbilaran (Airport Code), Tagliabue, Talented And Gifted (school program), Target Adaptive Guidance, Task Assignment Guide, Technical Advisory Group, Technical Assistance Grant, Technology Advancement Group, Technology Advocacy Group, Technology Applications Group, 02:33:45 Technology Association of Georgia, Tell-And-Go protocol (switching technique), TEMPEST Advisory Group, Temporal Annotation Generator, Tenant Activities Group (Pentagon Renovation Project), Tennessee, Alabama, and Georgia Railway Company 02:33:55 TAG: W3C's Technical Architecture Group 02:35:50 odd, i wonder why publickeys are now broken 02:37:05 yay! new fink 02:38:44 and it includes g77 :) 02:39:50 ooh 02:40:03 I actually needed that the other day 02:41:14 you don't update packages from CVS? 02:41:34 www-archive is popular these days 02:41:55 AaronSw: should I be? 02:42:02 * rillian was sticking to the releases 02:42:07 you get newer versions faster. 02:42:10 do a fink selfupdate 02:43:06 i haven't had any problems with it 02:43:35 perhaps I'll try that next time then 02:44:02 hmm, i wonder when 0.9.7 came out 02:44:48 wonder if I should cave and switch to bash on osx 02:44:57 what are you using? 02:45:27 tcsh, mostly 02:45:31 it's funny 02:45:45 I got hooked on zsh at a job in 97 02:45:56 and used it on linux for a couple of years 02:46:13 I've been hearing about zsh's cool features recently 02:46:22 but the tension between using that day-to-day and the occasional sh-portably scripting I had to do 02:46:27 got to be too much 02:46:39 (not to mention being lost on other people's systems) 02:46:45 so I switched to bash 02:47:06 now here I am on OS X, with tcsh the default (ugh) and zsh the installed option :) 02:47:23 hehe 02:47:30 Hmm, RSA or DSA? 02:47:56 I hear bash now has auto-completion for common cmd options 02:48:08 like looking in known_hosts for ssh arguments :) 02:48:15 AaronSw: RSA 02:48:16 yep! 02:48:49 one of the autocomplete authors wrote a doc about all its nifty features 02:48:53 .google bash autocomplete 02:48:55 bash autocomplete: http://www.savagetranscendental.com/tip3.html 02:49:04 hmm, that's not it 02:50:32 .google bash caliban 02:50:33 bash caliban: http://www.caliban.org/bash/index.shtml 02:54:20 that manual says zsh has had programmable complete for a while ;) 02:55:33 xena has quit (Remote closed the connection) 02:56:50 xena (xena@mewtwo.espnow.com) has joined #swhack 02:58:29 hmm, i'm not having much luck with ssh anymore 03:00:09 Hmm.. this is odd. 03:00:37 i'm getting two last login lines, one with my last ssh and one with my last terminal login 03:11:35 so any graphing program recommendations? 03:11:51 gnuplot is just...gnuplot 03:25:05 sbp has quit (Killed (NickServ (Ghost: SeanP!~sean@m203-mp1-cvx3b.pop.ntl.com))) 03:25:23 sbp (~sean@m203-mp1-cvx3b.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack 03:35:13 what kind of bot is xena? 03:35:19 raph (raph@adsl-63-196-208-220.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) has joined #swhack 03:35:24 hey raph! 03:35:25 hi raph 03:35:29 hi rillian 03:35:42 xena, whois aaronsw 03:36:00 hmm, haven't implemented that yet. 03:36:04 xena, acro pptp 03:36:11 .acronym pptp 03:36:11 xena, weather sfo 03:36:12 pptp: 03:36:23 .weather2 san francisco, ca 03:36:23 .weather sfo 03:36:23 no weather stations found for sfo 03:36:31 so far, so good :) 03:36:37 sbp has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03:36:46 sbp (~sean@m203-mp1-cvx3b.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack 03:36:55 use weather 03:36:56 .weather2 ksfo 03:36:59 AaronSw is the person described by . 03:37:05 .weather ksfo 03:37:05 no weather stations found for ksfo 03:37:28 how'd raph know xena's a bot? 03:37:41 who's raph? 03:37:47 * rillian told him 03:37:57 .google "Raph Levien" 03:37:58 "Raph Levien": http://www.levien.com 03:38:11 raph is the famed creator of advogato, as well as a smart crypto and graphics guy 03:38:20 Wow 03:39:00 * raph has no idea why ".google raph" gives the wrong answer 03:39:42 ".google Aaron" gives the wrong answer too, unless the question is "Who is Aaron Swartz?", which is a pretty silly question 03:39:49 pfft 03:40:05 I don't think so. 03:40:56 .search raph 03:40:56 3D Artists: http://www.raph.com/3dartists 03:40:57 Personal info for raph: http://www.advogato.org/person/raph 03:41:18 man, google likes radio blogs: 03:41:19 .google pychord 03:41:19 pychord: http://radio.weblogs.com/0100663 03:41:48 BenSwX has left #swhack 03:41:59 damn! 03:42:00 BenSwX (~Snak@12-249-96-16.client.attbi.com) has joined #swhack 03:42:09 what? 03:42:17 at the speed of google 03:42:29 you mean: dangit! 03:42:51 no i mean "damn!" as a way of expressing being impressed 03:43:38 "damngit" is also an interjection that may express "yea, I am impressed" 03:45:15 argh, nothing to be found at http://web.archive.org/*/http://www.geocities.com/dreamyemmy16/lionheartintro.html 03:45:46 what were/are you looking for there? 03:46:38 Raph seems to recommend "The Brothers Lionheart" 03:46:43 he does 03:46:50 i have a tarball from the site if you like 03:46:59 ooh, yes please 03:47:16 dcc? 03:47:20 sure 03:47:47 "ethical copyright violation" :) 03:48:00 heh; yes, I noticed that bit 03:48:14 many thanks 03:49:21 a plurality of welcomes 03:50:20 * sbp will have to remember that one 03:51:34 hmm, i wonder if I can receive DCCs. 03:52:39 odd that archive doesn't have it 03:52:47 it did before 03:53:04 aaron: generally not if you're behind nat 03:53:18 that's what I figured. 03:53:27 Ah, the archive does have it: http://web.archive.org/web/20020117195430/http://www.geocities.com/dreamyemmy16/lionheartintro.html 03:53:50 it just doesn't work with the * sometimes... i think it has to do with their indicies not being as up-to-date as the content 03:57:21 how did you find the magical date, then? 03:57:36 oh, it's today 03:57:41 I just visited http://web.archive.org/http://www.geocities.com/dreamyemmy16/lionheartintro.html and it redirected. 03:58:33 /. has a story on tv copy prevention 03:58:53 i'm sure that tv copy prevention, when they perfect it, will work almost as well as audio copy prevention does now 03:59:18 not at all? 03:59:54 :-) 04:00:16 actually, movie sharing is 100% inevitable 04:01:05 yeah, i turned around one day and my younger brother had "Monsters, Inc." on a VCD. 04:01:06 * raph is putting together a set of harry potter vcd's, for fun 04:01:20 where did he get it? 04:01:28 off of irc, apparently 04:01:36 that's a big file 04:01:43 but irc is efficient :) 04:02:15 hey, it's raph 04:02:15 even so, it takes, what, 10 hours to upload one cd-rom over a 128kbps dsl? 04:03:07 we have a cable modem, so he hit download before he went to sleep and it's done by the morning 04:03:14 aha 04:03:20 11.3 04:03:33 swarming would be interesting 04:03:34 so 10 is close :-) 04:03:53 you could _almost_ stream it live over a 1.5Mbs dsl 04:04:48 yeah, almost 04:04:49 there was an article in the times today where Jack Valenti said something like: the only moat protecting us is the lack of broadband in homes 04:05:07 or just fine if you use something better than mpeg-1/2 04:05:43 jack valenti would benefit from an optical fiber colonoscopy 04:06:20 * raph does not understand why the price of internet is not going down 04:06:54 it isn't? 04:07:00 not from what i see 04:07:09 it seems to be where I am 04:07:28 price/speed seems to be 04:07:43 I used to have phone bills that were over �100 04:08:05 raph: it is everywhere but the US, I think 04:08:08 ah 04:08:14 now they're a constant �19pm 04:08:15 that would make sense 04:08:16 there was a /. article on that tuesday :) 04:08:38 right, i remember making fun of the price non-us'ers paid for slow internet :) 04:08:43 * sbp has found his bill getting cheaper too, although it's been a rough path 04:09:05 and I can get 10-times-faster cable for �6pm more 04:09:40 i've gone from phone->isdn->cable for an increase in speed at roughly the same price per month 04:10:46 cable pricing is a bit skewed though 04:10:57 because it's all based on low utilization 04:11:18 'course phone was too 04:11:30 raph: yeah, I don't think that argument means anything 04:11:31 a t1 still costs ~ $1k/month 04:11:37 you have to be specific about 04:11:50 costs and actual utilization 04:11:53 right 04:12:01 * raph is not complaining 04:12:15 i use the hell out of my dsl line, 5 static ip's and all 04:12:28 tomc has quit (Connection timed out) 04:13:01 I should see about getting my bandwidth cap raised now that I've switched to a faster plan 04:29:39 duplexing is not working :( 04:30:01 oops, not the most appropriate channel, sorry 04:54:58 nite all 04:55:43 cheers 05:04:31 c'ya 05:15:00 nite all 05:15:03 BenSwX has quit ("Warden: theres no Air in Space. Homer: But theres an Air and Space Museum") 05:22:23 sbp has quit (Killed (NickServ (Ghost: SeanP!~sean@m225-mp1-cvx3b.pop.ntl.com))) 05:22:42 sbp (~sean@m225-mp1-cvx3b.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack 05:51:36 rillian has quit ("night") 06:19:49 * sbp finds some chapters missing 06:25:21 * sbp gets them from Alexa 07:21:55 sbp has quit (Killed (NickServ (Ghost: SeanP!~sean@m171-mp1-cvx4c.pop.ntl.com))) 07:22:13 sbp (~sean@m171-mp1-cvx4c.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack 07:34:59 thank you, Raph 07:35:02 Gotta run 07:54:44 sbp has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09:57:40