IRC log of swhack on 2002-01-18

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00:15:53 [sbp]

* sbp waves

00:17:21 [thc]

* thc waves

00:18:18 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw waves

00:18:41 [AaronSw]

who can package? whois your man? debian, debian, that's who can!

00:29:27 [AaronSw]

the only problem with debian is its crazy python scheme

00:32:16 [sbp]

* sbp should be updating BIOH

00:33:23 [deltab]

crazy python?

00:33:37 [AaronSw]

ooh, IEEE edited my article

00:33:48 [AaronSw]

python: new versions of python have different names, so they aren't upgraded

00:33:57 [AaronSw]

for example, python 2.2 is called python2.2

00:34:09 [deltab]

that's python's own scheme

00:34:24 [AaronSw]

in what way? it doesn't compile like that.

00:34:37 [deltab]

/usr/biin/python is a link to the latest (or whichever is wanted as default)

00:34:51 [AaronSw]

yes, i mean the packages are different, and the resulting installs

00:34:52 [deltab]

sure it does

00:35:19 [AaronSw]

so if you upgrade python, you still get python 1.5.2

00:42:01 [sbp]

Amazing how every other channel seemed to suffer netsplits, but we're all on the same server group

00:42:13 [AaronSw]

hmm, i didn't notice

00:42:23 [AaronSw]

all hail the swhack server!

00:45:08 [sbp]

Heh, heh

00:45:44 [tav]

heh

00:45:48 [tav]

i'm on hogan

00:45:58 [tav]

.time

00:45:58 [xena]

2002/01/18 00:47:36.7086 Universal

00:46:00 [tav]

maybe i split

00:46:02 [AaronSw]

i'm on forward

00:46:03 [tav]

or suffering huge lags

00:46:03 [tav]

anyways, be sure to install python2.2-xml

00:46:15 [tav]

tav_ and tav` are on forward

00:46:19 [AaronSw]

ok... think it installed automatically

00:46:22 [AaronSw]

but i'll check

00:46:27 [tav]

it did?

00:46:28 [tav]

hmz

00:46:29 [AaronSw]

tav_, eh?

00:46:34 [tav]

another tav

00:46:46 [tav]

sbp sees him in some channels

00:46:48 [AaronSw]

i grabed the "python bundle" which had all sorts of goodies

00:47:29 [tav]

"python bundle" ?

00:47:47 [AaronSw]

yeah, in the very first installation process

00:47:56 [tav]

oh

00:48:05 [tav]

i hated those bundles

00:48:12 [AaronSw]

why?

00:48:16 [tav]

i reinstalled to a v.nice 60 mb install

00:48:32 [tav]

the bundles installed all kinds of shit i didn't want

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00:49:09 [AaronSw]

well, i've plenty disk space so i don't really mind

00:50:26 [tav]

well, i was more interested in knowing exactly what i installed

00:50:34 [BenSwX]

Hello

00:50:39 [tav]

hi ben

00:50:45 [thc]

hi

00:50:50 [tav]

taken over AaronSw's box whilst he's playing on vorpal?

00:51:01 [sbp]

Reload BIOH, guys

00:51:07 [sbp]

Heh, heh

00:51:08 [AaronSw]

he, 'course not

00:51:21 [AaronSw]

i'm playing via SSH now

00:51:46 [AaronSw]

I was stymied by the acronym BIOH for a while

00:51:54 [sbp]

:-)

00:52:23 [AaronSw]

did you change the design or will i pick it up via RSS?

00:52:31 [sbp]

RSS

00:52:54 [tav]

.e bioh

00:52:54 [xena]

bioh: http://radio.weblogs.com/0101542/

00:52:59 [AaronSw]

heh

00:53:19 [sbp]

Kick-ass!

00:53:22 [tav]

why couldn't userland just leave out the frigging 0's ?

00:53:39 [tav]

1542 is so much easier to recall than 0101542

00:53:45 [sbp]

yeah, you're right

00:53:54 [tav]

and this from someone who memorised his private key

00:54:08 [sbp]

you memorized it??? fuck!

00:54:11 [sbp]

how many bits?

00:54:24 [tav]

i can't recall the second half no more

00:54:27 [sbp]

perhaps there was some advantage to them (DW et. al.) using a fixed-amount of characters

00:54:35 [sbp]

heh, that's a bit of a bummer

00:55:52 [AaronSw]

heh, frizzy

00:55:59 [sbp]

:-)

00:56:13 [tav]

--

00:56:13 [tav]

I couldn't face getting attached to it and then having it taken away from me after the evaluation period

00:56:14 [tav]

--

00:56:15 [tav]

hmz

00:56:28 [tav]

what happens to the blog after the 30 days?

00:56:41 [tav]

does userland delete it? or just freeze your account?

00:56:50 [AaronSw]

i don't think they've said

00:57:31 [sbp]

* sbp is rather worried too

00:57:40 [sbp]

* sbp goes to http://www.acronymfinder.com/add.asp?acronym=BIOH and plans a new entry

00:57:50 [tav]

heh

00:57:51 [sbp]

if they take it down, I'll just move it, anyway

00:58:11 [AaronSw]

i'll move it anyway

00:58:25 [AaronSw]

I need a cooler URI... maybe aaronsw.com/weblog/

00:58:37 [tav]

sbp: you'll like what philh and i are making

00:58:47 [AaronSw]

uh oh. radio zope?

00:58:53 [AaronSw]

radio zopists

00:58:59 [tav]

heh

00:59:02 [tav]

radio zopists

01:00:19 [sbp]

* sbp might use http://infomesh.net/weblog/ or http://infomesh.net/bioh/

01:00:34 [sbp]

radzops

01:00:42 [sbp]

I like the idea

01:01:10 [MysticOne]

[GlobalNotice] Hey all, just letting you know we're working on this problem. Not sure exactly what the deal is, though it appears a massive clone attack transpired with #debian as its epicenter. We're doing our best to get the network's stability back. More updates as new information is available.

01:03:14 [tav]

*sigh*

01:03:17 [tav]

first morbus was here

01:03:24 [tav]

then he's in #iA

01:03:47 [AaronSw]

heh, don't tell him

01:04:05 [tav]

no, i don't want him to do #p2p-hackers

01:04:18 [tav]

how old is he?

01:04:45 [AaronSw]

i dunno offhand

01:04:55 [tav]

it's strange. i don't feel that way about anyone. but morbus and kazz....

01:05:49 [tav]

heh, there's python2.2-elisp (i went and manually added python-mode)

01:06:00 [tav]

apt-get is surprisingly up to date

01:06:08 [tav]

well, at least /unstable is

01:06:29 [sbp]

* sbp notes that #iA doesn't have logs

01:07:11 [tav]

sure it does

01:07:17 [tav]

?? logs

01:07:17 [tav]

ehm

01:07:23 [AaronSw]

what's -f do?

01:07:32 [AaronSw]

it does but they're espian-private

01:07:35 [tav]

irclogs.espnow.com/infoanarchy-logs

01:07:39 [tav]

ah

01:07:52 [tav]

-f on?

01:07:56 [AaronSw]

apt-get

01:08:10 [tav]

didn't know there was that

01:08:12 [AaronSw]

oh, it forces it

01:08:18 [AaronSw]

-f Attempt to continue if the integrity check fails

01:08:31 [AaronSw]

my favorite feature is apt-get moo

01:08:45 [tav]

i know update / upgrade / check / install / remove / clean

01:09:04 [tav]

lol @ moo

01:09:09 [tav]

how'd you find that?

01:09:19 [AaronSw]

This APT has Super Cow Powers.

01:09:42 [tav]

you worked it out from that?

01:10:01 [AaronSw]

no... the debian fans used to post it into the channel all the time

01:10:07 [tav]

ah

01:11:55 [AaronSw]

ok, looks like i've got woody all set up

01:12:00 [AaronSw]

i guess now i should install the ram

01:12:16 [AaronSw]

I don't understand this message:

01:12:17 [AaronSw]

The following packages have been kept back

01:12:18 [AaronSw]

debian-policy

01:12:18 [AaronSw]

0

01:12:45 [AaronSw]

did they get bad marks in class or something?

01:15:30 [MysticOne]

[GlobalNotice] Okay, it looks like it's under control and most everything has been restored. We apologize for the violent interruption in service. Thank you for using the Open Projects Network. If any new information comes up, we'll keep everyone posted. Thank you.

01:21:59 [rillian]

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01:22:08 [rillian]

vorpal?

01:22:34 [sbp]

Vorpal

01:22:37 [sbp]

Aaron's new server

01:22:43 [sbp]

.google Vorpal

01:22:44 [xena]

Vorpal: http://www.hamline.edu/~thodapp/morris/vorpal.html

01:23:43 [AaronSw]

man that ram was hard to install

01:24:28 [rillian]

AaronSw: congrats. and yes, debian does rock

01:24:36 [AaronSw]

thanks. :-)

01:24:39 [AaronSw]

I decided to name my servers after made-up words in Jabberwocky. if i run out i can expand to carollian words, and then to made-up phenomic words, and then just phenomic words.

01:24:51 [rillian]

the machine I used in undergrad was vorpal.phys.ucsb.edu :)

01:25:04 [AaronSw]

heh, cool

01:25:26 [rillian]

it was a general wonderland theme

01:25:27 [AaronSw]

named after jabberwocky or D&D?

01:25:30 [AaronSw]

ah

01:25:36 [rillian]

the first two were tweedledum and tweedledee

01:25:42 [rillian]

then red queen, etc.

01:25:51 [AaronSw]

i know that jhendler at umd has teaparty and madhatter, etc.

01:26:01 [rillian]

vorpal was a little uninspired theme-wise, but sure sounds good as a hostname :)

01:26:17 [AaronSw]

heh, yeah.

01:26:27 [rillian]

seems like the theme thing has gone out of fashion a bit

01:27:20 [rillian]

mewtwo is cute :)

01:27:47 [rillian]

AaronSw: so, care to share the specs for our vicarious enjoyment?

01:28:17 [AaronSw]

i noticed the daml.org servers were named after the seven deadly sins... which was quite funny when the server forgot that it was www and redirected people to pride.com

01:28:34 [rillian]

lol

01:28:53 [AaronSw]

uh oh...

01:28:58 [sbp]

interesting: http://sport.guardian.co.uk/formulaone/story/0,10069,632336,00.html

01:30:56 [AaronSw]

$ ssh vorpal

01:30:56 [AaronSw]

Last login: Thu Jan 17 19:29:02 2002 from 192.168.1.108 on pts/0

01:30:56 [AaronSw]

Linux vorpal 2.2.19 #1 Sat Jun 9 13:04:06 EST 2001 i686 unknown

01:30:56 [AaronSw]

Dell PowerEdge 500SC: 1000Mhz P3, 1GB RAM, 40GB Disk

01:30:59 [AaronSw]

(for rillian)

01:31:11 [AaronSw]

it's awfully noisy tho.. can't wait to move it to the server room

01:31:30 [rillian]

yeah, I've been worrying about that

01:31:40 [rillian]

my desktop (rain) died last fall

01:31:48 [rillian]

and I've been stalling on replacing it

01:32:13 [AaronSw]

hmm

01:32:25 [rillian]

all the dirt-cheap pc hardware seems to require very loud fans these days

01:32:36 [AaronSw]

yeah, another reason i like my macs :)

01:32:58 [AaronSw]

I was pleasantly surprised that this was only $7000

01:33:00 [AaronSw]

err $700

01:33:02 [AaronSw]

gotta run

01:33:12 [AaronSw]

c'ya later

01:33:44 [rillian]

cheers

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01:35:25 [rillian]

yes, I'll certainly be lusting for a G5 tower, too, but that will be quite expensive

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02:17:02 [thc]

wb

02:17:56 [sbp]

ty

02:20:01 [sbp]

heh: http://www.planetout.com/images/newsplanet/comics/new_size/ethan/meeyowl.gif

02:23:07 [thc]

:o) sweet

02:24:04 [thc]

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02:24:59 [tomc]

I think I'll avoid my initials in future

02:25:35 [sbp]

why?

02:26:15 [tomc]

.acronym thc

02:26:17 [xena]

thc: Tetrahydrocannabinol (psychoactive compound in marijuana), Target Heading Change, Target Homing Correlator, Temperature and Humidity Control, Terminal Handling Charge, Texas Hemp Campaign, Texas Historical Commission (aka Texas SHPO), The Happy Chemical, Thunder Hill Crew, Total Hydrocarbon, Trace Heating Control, Tsinghua Class of Changsha First Middle School, Hunan, PR China

02:27:05 [tomc]

Tetrahydrocannabinol gets less and less hillarious

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02:30:05 [tomc]

wb again

02:30:13 [sbp]

ty again :-)

02:31:20 [AaronSw]

Mmmm, G5 tower...

02:31:34 [sbp]

.acronym tav

02:31:36 [xena]

tav: Technical Architecture View, Technical Assistance Visit, Technical Availability, Tender Availability, Test and Verification, Timestamp-interval Adjustment at Validation, Total Asset Visibility, Transatmospheric Vehicle, Transit Accounting Version

02:31:50 [sbp]

aha!

02:32:46 [AaronSw]

The TAG will no doubt produce a TAV.

02:33:01 [tav]

huh?

02:33:08 [AaronSw]

"Technical Architecture View"

02:33:43 [tav]

.acronym tag

02:33:44 [xena]

tag: Tactical Ada Guidance, Tactical Airlift Group, Tactical Assault Group, Tagalog (Filipino language), Tagbilaran, Philippines - Tagbilaran (Airport Code), Tagliabue, Talented And Gifted (school program), Target Adaptive Guidance, Task Assignment Guide, Technical Advisory Group, Technical Assistance Grant, Technology Advancement Group, Technology Advocacy Group, Technology Applications Group,

02:33:45 [xena]

Technology Association of Georgia, Tell-And-Go protocol (switching technique), TEMPEST Advisory Group, Temporal Annotation Generator, Tenant Activities Group (Pentagon Renovation Project), Tennessee, Alabama, and Georgia Railway Company

02:33:55 [AaronSw]

TAG: W3C's Technical Architecture Group

02:35:50 [AaronSw]

odd, i wonder why publickeys are now broken

02:37:05 [rillian]

yay! new fink

02:38:44 [rillian]

and it includes g77 :)

02:39:50 [AaronSw]

ooh

02:40:03 [rillian]

I actually needed that the other day

02:41:14 [AaronSw]

you don't update packages from CVS?

02:41:34 [sbp]

www-archive is popular these days

02:41:55 [rillian]

AaronSw: should I be?

02:42:02 [rillian]

* rillian was sticking to the releases

02:42:07 [AaronSw]

you get newer versions faster.

02:42:10 [AaronSw]

do a fink selfupdate

02:43:06 [AaronSw]

i haven't had any problems with it

02:43:35 [rillian]

perhaps I'll try that next time then

02:44:02 [AaronSw]

hmm, i wonder when 0.9.7 came out

02:44:48 [rillian]

wonder if I should cave and switch to bash on osx

02:44:57 [AaronSw]

what are you using?

02:45:27 [rillian]

tcsh, mostly

02:45:31 [rillian]

it's funny

02:45:45 [rillian]

I got hooked on zsh at a job in 97

02:45:56 [rillian]

and used it on linux for a couple of years

02:46:13 [deltab]

I've been hearing about zsh's cool features recently

02:46:22 [rillian]

but the tension between using that day-to-day and the occasional sh-portably scripting I had to do

02:46:27 [rillian]

got to be too much

02:46:39 [rillian]

(not to mention being lost on other people's systems)

02:46:45 [rillian]

so I switched to bash

02:47:06 [rillian]

now here I am on OS X, with tcsh the default (ugh) and zsh the installed option :)

02:47:23 [AaronSw]

hehe

02:47:30 [AaronSw]

Hmm, RSA or DSA?

02:47:56 [rillian]

I hear bash now has auto-completion for common cmd options

02:48:08 [rillian]

like looking in known_hosts for ssh arguments :)

02:48:15 [rillian]

AaronSw: RSA

02:48:16 [AaronSw]

yep!

02:48:49 [AaronSw]

one of the autocomplete authors wrote a doc about all its nifty features

02:48:53 [AaronSw]

.google bash autocomplete

02:48:55 [xena]

bash autocomplete: http://www.savagetranscendental.com/tip3.html

02:49:04 [AaronSw]

hmm, that's not it

02:50:32 [AaronSw]

.google bash caliban

02:50:33 [xena]

bash caliban: http://www.caliban.org/bash/index.shtml

02:54:20 [rillian]

that manual says zsh has had programmable complete for a while ;)

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02:58:29 [AaronSw]

hmm, i'm not having much luck with ssh anymore

03:00:09 [AaronSw]

Hmm.. this is odd.

03:00:37 [AaronSw]

i'm getting two last login lines, one with my last ssh and one with my last terminal login

03:11:35 [rillian]

so any graphing program recommendations?

03:11:51 [rillian]

gnuplot is just...gnuplot

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03:35:13 [rillian]

what kind of bot is xena?

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03:35:24 [AaronSw]

hey raph!

03:35:25 [rillian]

hi raph

03:35:29 [raph]

hi rillian

03:35:42 [raph]

xena, whois aaronsw

03:36:00 [AaronSw]

hmm, haven't implemented that yet.

03:36:04 [raph]

xena, acro pptp

03:36:11 [AaronSw]

.acronym pptp

03:36:11 [raph]

xena, weather sfo

03:36:12 [xena]

pptp:

03:36:23 [AaronSw]

.weather2 san francisco, ca

03:36:23 [raph]

.weather sfo

03:36:23 [xena]

no weather stations found for sfo

03:36:31 [raph]

so far, so good :)

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03:36:55 [tav]

use weather

03:36:56 [rillian]

.weather2 ksfo

03:36:59 [AaronSw]

AaronSw is the person described by <http://www.aaronsw.com> .

03:37:05 [rillian]

.weather ksfo

03:37:05 [xena]

no weather stations found for ksfo

03:37:28 [tav]

how'd raph know xena's a bot?

03:37:41 [sbp]

who's raph?

03:37:47 [rillian]

* rillian told him

03:37:57 [sbp]

.google "Raph Levien"

03:37:58 [xena]

"Raph Levien": http://www.levien.com

03:38:11 [AaronSw]

raph is the famed creator of advogato, as well as a smart crypto and graphics guy

03:38:20 [sbp]

Wow

03:39:00 [raph]

* raph has no idea why ".google raph" gives the wrong answer

03:39:42 [sbp]

".google Aaron" gives the wrong answer too, unless the question is "Who is Aaron Swartz?", which is a pretty silly question

03:39:49 [AaronSw]

pfft

03:40:05 [AaronSw]

I don't think so.

03:40:56 [tav]

.search raph

03:40:56 [xena]

3D Artists: http://www.raph.com/3dartists

03:40:57 [xena]

Personal info for raph: http://www.advogato.org/person/raph

03:41:18 [AaronSw]

man, google likes radio blogs:

03:41:19 [AaronSw]

.google pychord

03:41:19 [xena]

pychord: http://radio.weblogs.com/0100663

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03:41:59 [tav]

damn!

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03:42:09 [AaronSw]

what?

03:42:17 [tav]

at the speed of google

03:42:29 [sbp]

you mean: dangit!

03:42:51 [tav]

no i mean "damn!" as a way of expressing being impressed

03:43:38 [sbp]

"damngit" is also an interjection that may express "yea, I am impressed"

03:45:15 [sbp]

argh, nothing to be found at http://web.archive.org/*/http://www.geocities.com/dreamyemmy16/lionheartintro.html

03:45:46 [tomc]

what were/are you looking for there?

03:46:38 [sbp]

Raph seems to recommend "The Brothers Lionheart"

03:46:43 [raph]

he does

03:46:50 [raph]

i have a tarball from the site if you like

03:46:59 [sbp]

ooh, yes please

03:47:16 [raph]

dcc?

03:47:20 [sbp]

sure

03:47:47 [raph]

"ethical copyright violation" :)

03:48:00 [sbp]

heh; yes, I noticed that bit

03:48:14 [sbp]

many thanks

03:49:21 [raph]

a plurality of welcomes

03:50:20 [sbp]

* sbp will have to remember that one

03:51:34 [AaronSw]

hmm, i wonder if I can receive DCCs.

03:52:39 [raph]

odd that archive doesn't have it

03:52:47 [raph]

it did before

03:53:04 [raph]

aaron: generally not if you're behind nat

03:53:18 [AaronSw]

that's what I figured.

03:53:27 [AaronSw]

Ah, the archive does have it: http://web.archive.org/web/20020117195430/http://www.geocities.com/dreamyemmy16/lionheartintro.html

03:53:50 [AaronSw]

it just doesn't work with the * sometimes... i think it has to do with their indicies not being as up-to-date as the content

03:57:21 [raph]

how did you find the magical date, then?

03:57:36 [raph]

oh, it's today

03:57:41 [AaronSw]

I just visited http://web.archive.org/http://www.geocities.com/dreamyemmy16/lionheartintro.html and it redirected.

03:58:33 [raph]

/. has a story on tv copy prevention

03:58:53 [raph]

i'm sure that tv copy prevention, when they perfect it, will work almost as well as audio copy prevention does now

03:59:18 [AaronSw]

not at all?

03:59:54 [AaronSw]

:-)

04:00:16 [raph]

actually, movie sharing is 100% inevitable

04:01:05 [AaronSw]

yeah, i turned around one day and my younger brother had "Monsters, Inc." on a VCD.

04:01:06 [raph]

* raph is putting together a set of harry potter vcd's, for fun

04:01:20 [raph]

where did he get it?

04:01:28 [AaronSw]

off of irc, apparently

04:01:36 [raph]

that's a big file

04:01:43 [raph]

but irc is efficient :)

04:02:15 [deltab]

hey, it's raph

04:02:15 [raph]

even so, it takes, what, 10 hours to upload one cd-rom over a 128kbps dsl?

04:03:07 [AaronSw]

we have a cable modem, so he hit download before he went to sleep and it's done by the morning

04:03:14 [raph]

aha

04:03:20 [deltab]

11.3

04:03:33 [raph]

swarming would be interesting

04:03:34 [deltab]

so 10 is close :-)

04:03:53 [raph]

you could _almost_ stream it live over a 1.5Mbs dsl

04:04:48 [rillian]

yeah, almost

04:04:49 [AaronSw]

there was an article in the times today where Jack Valenti said something like: the only moat protecting us is the lack of broadband in homes

04:05:07 [rillian]

or just fine if you use something better than mpeg-1/2

04:05:43 [raph]

jack valenti would benefit from an optical fiber colonoscopy

04:06:20 [raph]

* raph does not understand why the price of internet is not going down

04:06:54 [deltab]

it isn't?

04:07:00 [raph]

not from what i see

04:07:09 [deltab]

it seems to be where I am

04:07:28 [AaronSw]

price/speed seems to be

04:07:43 [deltab]

I used to have phone bills that were over £100

04:08:05 [rillian]

raph: it is everywhere but the US, I think

04:08:08 [raph]

ah

04:08:14 [deltab]

now they're a constant £19pm

04:08:15 [raph]

that would make sense

04:08:16 [rillian]

there was a /. article on that tuesday :)

04:08:38 [raph]

right, i remember making fun of the price non-us'ers paid for slow internet :)

04:08:43 [sbp]

* sbp has found his bill getting cheaper too, although it's been a rough path

04:09:05 [deltab]

and I can get 10-times-faster cable for £6pm more

04:09:40 [AaronSw]

i've gone from phone->isdn->cable for an increase in speed at roughly the same price per month

04:10:46 [raph]

cable pricing is a bit skewed though

04:10:57 [raph]

because it's all based on low utilization

04:11:18 [raph]

'course phone was too

04:11:30 [rillian]

raph: yeah, I don't think that argument means anything

04:11:31 [raph]

a t1 still costs ~ $1k/month

04:11:37 [rillian]

you have to be specific about

04:11:50 [rillian]

costs and actual utilization

04:11:53 [raph]

right

04:12:01 [raph]

* raph is not complaining

04:12:15 [raph]

i use the hell out of my dsl line, 5 static ip's and all

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04:13:01 [rillian]

I should see about getting my bandwidth cap raised now that I've switched to a faster plan

04:29:39 [raph]

duplexing is not working :(

04:30:01 [raph]

oops, not the most appropriate channel, sorry

04:54:58 [AaronSw]

nite all

04:55:43 [rillian]

cheers

05:04:31 [sbp]

c'ya

05:15:00 [BenSwX]

nite all

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* sbp finds some chapters missing

06:25:21 [sbp]

* sbp gets them from Alexa

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07:34:59 [sbp]

thank you, Raph

07:35:02 [sbp]

Gotta run

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14:17:01 [AaronSw]

Heh, McCusker clearly found our chat with hazmat:

14:17:09 [AaronSw]

http://www.treedragon.com/ged/map/ti/newJan02.htm#17jan02-dependency

14:17:18 [AaronSw]

--

14:17:28 [AaronSw]

avoiding dependency @

14:17:28 [AaronSw]

IronDoc was always intended as the Mithril DB, from day one.

14:17:28 [AaronSw]

Obviously folks using other languages should not be shut out.

14:17:28 [AaronSw]

I could be a jerk and make IronDoc depend on Mithril to work.

14:17:28 [AaronSw]

But I won't do that, because imperialism isn't my coding goal.

14:17:29 [AaronSw]

Notice IronDoc isn't done now. It keeps folks from bugging me.

14:17:31 [AaronSw]

[...]

14:17:40 [AaronSw]

I wouldn't say IronDoc was designed into the ground. No, sir.

14:17:40 [AaronSw]

It's actually a bit on the threadbare side in total db complexity.

14:17:40 [AaronSw]

Sure, it's more complex than simple things like Berkeley db.

14:17:41 [AaronSw]

But that's what you get when everything can go in a single file.

14:17:41 [AaronSw]

The db closure trick is a hard one to pull off with any elegance.

14:17:43 [AaronSw]

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* sbp plays Crosstown Traffic

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* AaronSw waves, wonders if tav is around

18:58:32 [AaronSw]

sbp, we've been asked to work on the primer, what's your schedule like?

18:58:52 [AaronSw]

you need to make `u simpsons` a web app.

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19:33:43 [AaronSw]

lunch

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20:01:56 [rillian]

re

20:03:16 [hazmat]

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20:03:20 [hazmat]

hi folks

20:03:26 [sbp]

Hi there

20:03:39 [hazmat]

is there a way to stop xena from logging a comment?

20:03:47 [sbp]

xena?

20:03:55 [hazmat]

creature

20:03:57 [sbp]

xena logs, but privately

20:04:03 [hazmat]

hmm..

20:04:21 [sbp]

logster is the public logger, and you can prepend your statements with "# " to get it to ignore them

20:04:23 [hazmat]

there is a #zope logger thats sending to irclogs.espnow.com

20:04:30 [hazmat]

which is ignoring #

20:04:48 [hazmat]

it appears to be xena, unless there is some other bot there i didn't notice

20:05:12 [sbp]

no, that's xena. I didn't know that she ignored "# [...]"

20:05:27 [hazmat]

ugh..

20:16:18 [sbp]

* sbp sends Aaron a `u simpsons` CGI

20:21:26 [sbp]

.seen sbp

20:21:26 [xena]

sbp seen in #swhack saying: [ .seen sbp ] ~ ago

20:21:29 [sbp]

.seen sbp 3

20:21:30 [xena]

sbp seen in #swhack saying: [ # xena, ignore this ] ~ 6 sec(s) ago

20:21:39 [sbp]

blargh. That's an annoying bug

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21:05:15 [rillian]

wow, all these software updates are *big*

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* sbp waves

21:14:23 [tomc]

hi

21:15:03 [sbp]

Hi Tom

21:15:19 [sbp]

"Yes it's a drag, my it's a drag"

21:15:28 [sbp]

* sbp is listening to SIBLY, again

21:15:58 [sbp]

* sbp should learn a few more bits of it

21:25:41 [sbp]

Go Gerald:-

21:25:42 [sbp]

[[[

21:25:42 [sbp]

It's really annoying that whenever I login to my air canada

21:25:42 [sbp]

account, your web site resizes my browser window to the maximum

21:25:42 [sbp]

size of my desktop. I don't want it that big; if I did, I would

21:25:42 [sbp]

resize it myself.

21:26:05 [sbp]

]]] - http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2002Jan/0088

21:26:22 [sbp]

* sbp learned a couple of bits in SIBLY, and now plays the No Quarter version

21:28:07 [sbp]

s/of/more/

21:28:21 [sbp]

blargh, grammar bad

21:35:59 [sbp]

* sbp plays BOE

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22:00:57 [AaronSw]

heh, Homer: Go nuts.

22:01:34 [AaronSw]

hazmat, that's anarchy.,.. or misszope

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22:07:12 [BenSw]

Hello

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22:35:57 [AaronSw]

gotta run

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