00:00:12 s/childeren/children/ 00:03:19 hmm, i just deleted some large files, but df doesn't show the space i gained 00:03:28 some really large files 00:03:54 one for you Aaron: http://www.zdnet.com/anchordesk/stories/story/0,10738,2839242,00.html 00:04:04 via. http://www.whiterabbits.com/MacNetJournal/ 00:04:12 log out and back in 00:04:13 did you delete all references to them? are they open? 00:04:25 they were open when i deleted them... 00:04:34 they were log files 00:04:58 if processes still have them open, they're still in use and aren't deleted 00:05:29 hmm, but i killed the process and it still has freed the space 00:06:05 ah, there we go 00:06:31 the fuser command should tell you what processes have a file open 00:06:40 Command "lynx http://rangersofdereth.dyndns.org" has been disabled 00:06:43 $ fuser 00:06:43 bash: fuser: command not found 00:06:57 > fuser: not found 00:06:57 > [end] 00:07:18 $ ls 00:08:49 thanks, deltab 00:09:29 > 0.95-schema.html 00:09:31 > 0.95-sopjgj.n3.text 00:09:31 > 0.95-think.n3 00:09:33 > 0.95.html 00:09:33 > 0.95.n3 00:09:34 > 01-02-b.txt 00:09:35 > [...] 00:10:20 $ cd Windows/Desktop/impsons 00:10:22 thc (lambda@modem-1934.orangutan.dialup.pol.co.uk) has joined #swhack 00:10:48 ach, must make sbp watch simpsons 00:11:00 Command "cd Windows/Desktop/impsons" has been disabled 00:11:11 wb thc 00:11:18 it wouldn't have worked anyway 00:11:24 $ ls Windows 00:11:26 > ls: Windows: No such file or directory 00:11:26 > [end] 00:11:31 D'oh 00:12:48 wb thc 00:13:11 ty :-) 00:13:41 Aaron:I am going outside ibn the snow 00:14:52 s/ibn/in/ 00:21:41 sbp has quit (Killed (NickServ (Ghost: SeanP!~sean@m235-mp1-cvx3b.pop.ntl.com))) 00:22:00 sbp (~sean@m235-mp1-cvx3b.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack 00:22:12 wb 00:22:34 ty 00:24:07 @ http://infomesh.net/misc 00:24:15 A: http://infomesh.net/misc from sbp 00:24:25 A:|sbp:Miscellaneous 00:24:26 titled item A 00:24:35 A::I scribble stuff here occasionally 00:24:39 commented item A 00:25:42 wb 00:25:53 heh I suffer from slow reactions 00:30:12 heh, thanks 00:32:17 deus_x (~deus_x@bgp993973bgs.nanarb01.mi.comcast.net) has joined #swhack 00:36:40 deus_x has quit (Remote closed the connection) 00:39:41 deus_x (~deus_x@bgp993973bgs.nanarb01.mi.comcast.net) has joined #swhack 00:40:24 * sbp downloads R8 00:46:14 CygBot has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00:46:31 whats R8? 00:46:43 Radio 8 00:46:54 Mmm... Radio 8 00:46:54 c'mon guys! R8! 00:47:03 * sbp has done it already 00:47:10 :) 00:47:33 whats Radio 8?? 00:50:27 http://radio.userland.com/ 00:50:28 radio.userland.ocm 00:50:33 * AaronSw is back 00:50:35 Ohhh 00:56:08 dinner 01:27:34 @ http://radio.weblogs.com/0101542/ 01:27:40 B: Bring It On Home from sbp 01:28:16 B::Sean B. Palmer's new [http://radio.userland.com/|R8] Weblog 01:28:17 commented item B 01:29:31 B::Witness the wonderment and whimsy for 30 days 01:29:33 commented item B 01:33:55 Heh! 01:34:25 "Purple is a fruit." 01:34:44 you don't have one of those mugs that subscribe people... 01:35:20 B::You must [subscribe today|http://127.0.0.1:5335/system/pages/subscriptions?url=http://radio.weblogs.com/0101542/rss.xml] (requires Radio UserLand to be running). 01:35:27 commented item B 01:38:20 BenSw|watchingsimpsons has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01:39:29 Mugs? Oh dear. How do I get one of these prized items? 01:39:38 * sbp was away updating the Weblog 01:40:24 * AaronSw links to sbp 01:40:37 Woo! 01:43:43 tav, you should blab about stuff on your blog, then i can point people to it 01:45:42 .google cool hunter deedee gordon 01:45:43 cool hunter deedee gordon: http://www.youthintelligence.com/company/yiarticle.asp?yiArticleId=7 01:45:47 .google cool hunter deedee gordon gladwell 01:45:49 cool hunter deedee gordon gladwell: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/cool/interviews/gladwell.html 01:45:57 .google deedee gordon gladwell 01:45:59 deedee gordon gladwell: http://www.suck.com/daily/97/03/26/3.html 01:46:02 .google deedee gordon site:gladwell.com 01:46:03 deedee gordon site:gladwell.com: http://www.gladwell.com/1997_03_17_a_cool.htm 01:46:20 hmz 01:46:34 B::Ooh, it has quotes from DeeDee Gordon, [famed cool hunter|http://www.gladwell.com/1997_03_17_a_cool.htm]. 01:46:37 commented item B 01:48:47 Whatever :-) 01:49:28 yea, i'm gradually building up to that 02:10:10 sbp has quit (Killed (NickServ (Ghost: SeanP!~sean@m17-mp1-cvx4c.pop.ntl.com))) 02:10:23 sbp (~sean@m17-mp1-cvx4c.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack 02:11:00 tomc (lambda@modem-3747.orangutan.dialup.pol.co.uk) has joined #swhack 02:18:46 kenm (~ken@kmacleod.static.iaxs.net) has joined #swhack 02:18:54 hey kenm 02:18:57 hey 02:19:09 i'm sorry... it was an accident, really! 02:19:12 curious: where's the 'discuss' link on Radio websites? 02:19:20 there isn't one -- they're static 02:19:23 I'm suspecting there ain't one 02:19:39 you're right 02:19:39 radio generates html pages and uploads them 02:20:12 * sbp continues to update http://radio.weblogs.com/0101542/ 02:20:20 i'm susbscribed via rss 02:20:27 Heh, cool 02:20:37 OH that's a good point - I should check that out 02:22:47 Heh, "Tao of Putting" 02:22:56 :-) 02:23:06 * kenm wonders what a few AppleScripts and Apache could do for a weblog tool 02:23:27 Hmm. 02:23:38 I guess I'll need a weblogging tool after my Radio trial expires. 02:25:14 Heh: Last-modified: urllib2.urlopen('http://infomesh.net/misc').info()['last-modified'] 02:25:18 - http://infomesh.net/misc/ 02:25:51 s%http://infomesh.net/misc/%http://infomesh.net/misc% 02:26:10 @ http://www.wired.com/news/culture/0,1284,49343,00.html 02:26:13 C: Kevin Bacon: You've Got Mail from sbp 02:26:31 C::The small world phenomenon tested via. email 02:26:36 commented item C 02:28:01 http://altis.manilasites.com/2002/01/16 02:30:48 thc has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02:30:52 http://smallworld.sociology.columbia.edu/ 02:31:32 Interesting: http://pythoncard.sourceforge.net/ 02:31:36 yeah 02:32:07 Wow, HyperCard is still going: http://www.apple.com/hypercard/ 02:32:08 @ http://smallworld.sociology.columbia.edu/ 02:32:17 D: Smallworld Front Page from AaronSw 02:32:32 D::Testing the "six degrees" theory on a global scale. 02:32:34 commented item D 02:33:18 wow, small computer: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_276000/276762.stm 02:35:04 * sbp goes to http://www.weblogs.com/ finds Swhack right at the top 02:35:09 anyone here know a writer in New York? 02:35:22 and Bring It On Home is right up there, too 02:35:36 Probably because we just updated. 02:45:36 Yep 02:47:11 Heh, I just invented a word 02:50:18 what's that? 02:51:41 sbp has quit (Killed (NickServ (Ghost: SeanP!~sean@m28-mp1-cvx4c.pop.ntl.com))) 02:51:59 sbp (~sean@m28-mp1-cvx4c.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack 02:53:46 sbp has changed the topic to: Cordon Blargh 02:56:25 lol! 02:56:26 [[[ 02:56:26 53. Sean B. Palmer 60 02:56:26 54. Aaron Swartz 60 02:56:31 ]]] - http://stats.userland.com/groups/radio1/report.html 02:56:38 heh 02:56:56 ah, you smeg head: 52. Aaron Swartz 61 02:57:32 http://letters.oreilly.com/spoofcovers_1201.html 02:59:16 I particularly like "true: in a nutshell" and "why you can't find your UNIX system administrator" 02:59:39 heh! 03:06:35 why you can't find your UNIX system administrator: 03:06:38 - last night's backup failed 03:06:41 - it's before noon 03:07:26 - draft cv found in paper recycling 03:07:42 - life's too short for monday 03:07:49 - you don't need to find them, they'll find you 03:08:28 too bad you can't enlarge them 03:11:28 yes, I had a hard time reading a few 03:11:56 news on PRT is so dead -- PRTnews is so dead :( 03:13:54 :-( 03:14:23 sbp has quit (Killed (NickServ (Ghost: SeanP!~sean@m1-mp1-cvx4c.pop.ntl.com))) 03:14:43 sbp (~sean@m1-mp1-cvx4c.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack 03:15:41 otoh, work on Linux home theatre tools, and multimedia in general, is moving along swimmingly 03:18:10 heh, when I see these meerkats they remind me of Rael: http://www.oreillynet.com/images/rss/meerkat-topleft.jpg 03:22:03 why does it take two days for a package to get from austin to illinois? 03:23:28 interesting: http://www.siliconvalley.com/docs/news/svfront/037259.htm 03:23:38 two days: you should have walked there yourself and got it 03:23:48 yeah, really. or gotten wes to do it 03:25:39 That ZDNet guy: "I'd pretty much rather die than build all the buttons and links that FrontPage does for me." 03:25:52 Ok, i can now ignore anything he says. 03:26:06 I'd rather die than use frontpage, he'd rather die than not. 03:27:45 heh 03:28:15 Maybe he's going for controversy. 03:28:27 have you played with the html editor in WebObjects? I love that editor 03:28:42 Hmm, actually I haven't... I've seen others play with it. 03:28:50 does it generate nice html? 03:29:07 yes, very, very clean 03:29:23 XHTML? 03:29:27 yes 03:29:33 ooh 03:29:39 I think it's been updated to XHTML. 03:29:47 it also does *fragments* properly 03:30:06 nice... 03:30:19 Hmm, my folders have disappeared again 03:30:22 .google WebObjects 03:30:54 apple.com/webobjects/ i think 03:31:14 if you're on your osx box, you can just go straight to it by opening the builder. it works just as well standalone 03:31:20 What happened to xena? 03:31:34 Do I need to use ProjectBuilderWO? 03:31:43 (i'm always on my osx box ;)) 03:31:47 it doesn't do css or have any support for extended tags, as you'd want with arbitrary xml schemas 03:32:06 no, you don't need to open PB. 03:32:14 ugh: The world’s easiest-to-use application server is written in the language of the Internet: Java. 03:32:25 I don't have my osx plugged into my monitor, otherwise I could be more specific ;) 03:32:28 .time 03:32:32 I've been lured by Gnome 03:32:44 Um... could you possibly get xena to stop ignoring me? 03:32:50 .google foo 03:33:10 hmm, "easiest-to-use" and "java" in the same sentence. 03:33:11 should pinging her do something? 03:33:39 probably not 03:34:00 i suppose i will have to investigate 03:34:10 WOBuilder! that's it 03:34:27 ProjectBuilderWO? 03:34:33 .time 03:34:41 xena can see us, and it tries to answer. 03:34:53 never mind, it was answering deltab 03:35:01 i better kill it 03:35:03 .time 03:35:05 xena has quit ("local keyboard interrupt") 03:35:29 deltab, you weren't even appearing on the screen 03:35:39 xena (xena@mewtwo.espnow.com) has joined #swhack 03:36:02 ugh, what is it kvetching about now? 03:36:21 xena has quit (Client Quit) 03:37:05 ProjectBuilderWO is the IDE. WebObjects Builder is the html editing app 03:38:03 what have you been hacking in on osx? 03:38:17 python in pepper 03:38:38 have you been throught the tutorials on ProjectBuilder? 03:38:50 no 03:38:56 ie. building Cocoa apps 03:39:01 oh, you are missing out. 03:39:23 well, i don't know C and i'm not going to learn Java 03:39:51 how about AppleScript? ;) 03:39:51 so i have nothing to do but whine for AS Studio to support OSA 03:41:05 sbp has quit (Killed (NickServ (Ghost: SeanP!~sean@m345-mp1-cvx3b.pop.ntl.com))) 03:41:08 xena (xena@mewtwo.espnow.com) has joined #swhack 03:41:26 sbp (~sean@m345-mp1-cvx3b.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack 03:42:14 http://www.aaa-plus.com/ 03:42:29 i have fun designing dream apps in interface builder 03:43:19 interesting 03:43:31 Joy is the bridge that lets Python, Perl, Tcl, and even JavaScript be first-class Cocoa apps in ProjectBuilder, just like Apple's AppleStudio does with AppleScript 03:43:39 ooh, really?! 03:43:59 yes. and from what I've heard, it's near flawless, "it just works" 03:44:04 wow! 03:44:28 complete Cocoa apps in Python or Tcl, whichever you're preferring these days ;) 03:44:38 Python, these days 03:44:43 If this works I'll go crazy. 03:44:49 (in a good way) 03:45:02 I sort of muse about merging Python and Tcl... 03:45:29 the problem with Python is most cool things require language extensions, and the python folks hate language extensions. that's what makes me miss tcl 03:45:36 * kenm forgets Aaron said that 03:45:53 hmm 03:46:20 kinda what you just said, in that regard, Python and Tcl are on entirely opposite sides of the issue 03:46:37 yeah 03:46:44 so they should be merged! 03:46:57 the nice syntax of python, with the editability of tcl 03:47:09 well, i'm not so big on the foo(arg,arg2) thing... 03:47:13 heh, what you want is Dylan ;) it's got the most minimal of core syntax, everything else is macros, including support for any and all special characters ;) 03:47:36 heh, heh. apparently whats-his-names new lisp will be like that. 03:48:10 Dylan *is* lisp, except that the normative syntax is all based on macros 03:48:46 ok 03:48:54 i guess it's the same idea then 03:49:04 but, you *must* investigate Cocoa. it is far and away the best GUI development environment on the planet 03:49:04 hmm, i can't find this webobjects builder on my machine 03:49:08 oh, i know! 03:49:18 i love it, even tho i've not built anything yet 03:49:35 every day i wake up and go: "i wish i could program in cocoa" 03:50:46 tansaku has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03:51:12 have you downloaded Joy yet? 03:51:18 yeah, running it now 03:53:24 hmm, sending away for my free key 03:53:28 hmm, I can't find WOBuilder on my 10.0 partition, which I most recently used only for Cocoa development. it's possible that they integrated it into somethign else (PBWO maybe) or it's only available with the WebObjects install. does the WO install come 03:53:31 with the developer install? 03:54:05 well, i know it was on the CD with the developer tools... not sure if i installed it 03:54:57 Aargh! It only comes with Tcl and JavaScript. 03:55:02 Tcl! Can you believe that... 03:55:26 And JavaScript... irony or ironies. 03:55:30 s/or/of/ 03:57:08 do they no longer support Perl or Python, or are those seperate? 03:57:32 Perl was one of the first they ever supported, if not the first 03:58:03 i don't see anything about perl or python on their site 03:58:06 well, you might enjoy Tcl and Cocoa ;) 03:58:10 Heh. 03:58:42 I used to program in JavaScript before I learned Tcl, so it's doubly funny. 03:59:29 """Aaron: "Why does it take two days for a package to get from Austin to Illinois?" That's like asking why there are more Windows users than there are Mac users - it's just one of those things that are impossible to explain...""" - http://radio.weblogs.com/0101542/ 03:59:44 heh 04:00:09 tomc has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04:00:37 Pff, why do I bother? I've had about 10 hits to my brand spanking new Weblog 04:00:50 for google, silly! 04:00:56 * AaronSw runs his while 1 script on sbp's weblog. 04:01:03 Heh, heh, heh 04:01:17 heh, Objective-JavaScript 04:01:19 i read your weblog and find it very informative. 04:01:35 yeah, what's up with the objective-javascript? 04:02:14 maybe my evaluation key will activate the super python features 04:02:27 Objective-* means it supports the keyword-style syntax of Smalltalk, derived originally via Objective-C 04:02:52 I can see objective-tcl then -- just throw in some :s and you're done 04:04:27 odd, I don't even see mention of Tcl 04:04:31 on the website 04:04:36 google does 04:04:42 but no perl or python 04:04:52 .google site:aaa-plus.com python 04:04:53 no results found. 04:05:45 .google site:www.aaa-plus.com python 04:05:46 no results found. 04:06:11 brief mention: "Joy 1.x used Tcl as the base language; 2.x uses Obj-JS" 04:06:21 .google site:www.aaa-plus.com tcl 04:06:22 site:www.aaa-plus.com tcl: http://www.aaa-plus.com/joy/docs/Manual.Tcl/English.lproj/Tcl/Tcl.html 04:06:31 i mean, there's a big tcl button in the program 04:06:36 and a javascript one 04:13:47 that's a bummer. 04:13:53 perhaps i can implement it in tcl or something 04:14:21 wow, sad, it looks like they dropped Perl and Python a long, long time ago. Tcl hangs on, I'm sure, just because it was so well integrated. 04:15:45 :-( 04:16:16 to think i was so close. 04:17:20 well, try Tcl or Obj-JS with Cocoa before you turn your back on it forever ;) Objective-C is really nice too, makes C++ look like the bloated elephant it is, but it still has it's own problems 04:18:05 yeah, of course. i'll send them an email too. 04:18:42 maybe you can get them to open-source those bindings ;) 04:19:09 I'm off. g'nite! 04:19:12 c'ya 04:19:16 kenm has quit ("Leaving") 04:26:09 Archaea (http://www.ucmp.berkeley.edu/archaea/archaea.html) news: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_1764000/1764716.stm 04:26:36 Bijan: "look how much my wriitng has degerabled. shocking" 04:27:00 heh, that's what happens when yer on irc 04:27:16 yyeh 04:27:27 im bery exited about tis joy! 04:37:04 whee! joy is fun. 04:37:17 i'm building life-size gui apps in a command line! 04:46:14 sbp has quit (Killed (NickServ (Ghost: SeanP!~sean@m5-mp1-cvx4c.pop.ntl.com))) 04:46:32 sbp (~sean@m5-mp1-cvx4c.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack 04:47:15 cool, you can mess with apps for which you don't even have source! 04:59:58 lol: """Imagine that a friend of yours is at a party talking to Dale, a beautiful member of whatever sex you happen to fancy.""" - http://philip.greenspun.com/wtr/dead-trees/53001.htm 05:01:29 why are you reading the old edition? 05:02:38 Because I did not know that there was a new edition 05:02:57 it says there is right at the top of the page 05:03:18 Heh: "I include a picture of myself naked with my old dog George and maps to my house and office on my site. And just as I typed that last period, sitting in what I thought was the privacy of my own home, someone I didn't know called me up. At 8:20 p.m. on a Monday. Would I make a donation to the March of Dimes?" 05:09:16 oh, nads to this 05:09:17 @ http://web.archive.org/web/20001004103052/http://www.fortunecity.com/lavendar/stradbroke/25/croissant.ra 05:09:24 E: http://web.archive.org/web/20001004103052/http://www.fortunecity.com/lavendar/stradbroke/25/croissant.ra from sbp 05:09:42 E:|Phoebe: I Can't Say Croissant... Oh my God! 05:09:43 titled item E 05:09:56 @ http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_496952.html?menu=news.quirkies 05:09:58 oh, it's realaudio isn't it? 05:10:02 F: http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_496952.html?menu=news.quirkies from sbp 05:10:10 E::In Real Audio format 05:10:11 commented item E 05:10:15 no! he's spamming the channel with stupid Radio UserLand stories! 05:10:27 F:|The Haggis Launcher 05:10:28 titled item F 05:10:38 Well, someone may as well read this junk 05:10:42 please, no more! 05:10:47 :-) 05:10:56 Aw, come on! 05:11:00 sbp: I already read them when they were on your page 05:11:06 same here 05:11:12 no wonder they appeared instantly 05:11:12 just point people to your radio page 05:11:25 Mwahahahaha. Sod it 05:13:05 * sbp uninstalls R8 05:13:14 ! 05:13:15 that lasted long 05:13:19 Heh, heh 05:13:31 'twas fun whilst it lasted 05:13:42 sbp hates everything it seems. this is why i'm not going to send him a mac. he'll try to uninstall it after 15 minutes! 05:14:00 Heh! 05:14:23 Well, the HTML was pretty poor anyway. I know I can edit it, but it really was bad 05:14:44 cf. my award winning R8 blog: http://radio.weblogs.com/0101542/2002/01/17.html#a3 05:16:04 * sbp carefully archives the thing - http://web.archive.org/web/20020116211717/http://radio.weblogs.com/0101542/ 05:16:47 N.B. If you sent me a Mac, I'd get to uninstall Windows 05:16:55 hmm, good point 05:17:16 would you like an old iBook? it's blue and toilet-seat-shaped and needs ram 05:17:44 .google toilet-seat-shaped iBook 05:17:45 toilet-seat-shaped iBook: http://www.techtv.com/freshgear/reviews/story/0,23008,3328300,00.html 05:18:06 oh, you fixed xena? 05:18:11 yeah 05:18:31 ooh, nice laptop 05:19:11 yeah, it was really durable... survived a lot of bumping and banging at school for 2 or 3 years 05:19:29 Crap chat up line #9018265: "Why, what a wonderful laptop. Mind if I sit on it?" 05:19:32 oh, not that one. 05:19:36 Heh, heh 05:19:45 yep, #9018265 strikes again 05:20:06 no, i meant that url doesn't picture the toilet shaped one 05:20:39 Ah, right 05:20:53 .google oval iBook 05:20:54 oval iBook: http://sfsubookstore.com/orders/catalog.lasso 05:21:09 it's more popularly called "clamshell-shaped" 05:21:11 or clam-shaped 05:22:20 Hmm... can't find one 05:22:52 http://www.macworld.com/1999/10/22/ibook.html 05:24:14 Thanks... but no pic. 05:24:25 well here we go: http://images.google.com/images?q=clamshell+ibook&hl=en&sa=N&tab=wi 05:24:50 specifcally mine looks like this: http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/400000/images/_400464_imac_handle150.jpg 05:25:12 Cool 05:25:13 the orange one looks like this: http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/400000/images/_400464_imac_promo300.jpg 05:26:12 .google chicago force 05:26:13 chicago force: http://chicagoforce.org/register/logout 05:28:19 Actually, it's a good job that I did uninstall R8 - I would only have becomed attached to it, and wailed when it got taken awa from me in 30 days 05:28:26 becomed? lol 05:28:38 heh 05:33:12 B::No longer maintained, since I uninstalled R8. Perhaps I could put the site up again somewhere else? Nah... 05:33:13