IRC log of swhack on 2002-01-17

Timestamps are in UTC.

00:00:12 [sbp]
s/childeren/children/
00:03:19 [AaronSw]
hmm, i just deleted some large files, but df doesn't show the space i gained
00:03:28 [AaronSw]
some really large files
00:03:54 [sbp]
one for you Aaron: http://www.zdnet.com/anchordesk/stories/story/0,10738,2839242,00.html
00:04:04 [sbp]
via. http://www.whiterabbits.com/MacNetJournal/
00:04:12 [BenSw|watchingsimpsons]
log out and back in
00:04:13 [deltab]
did you delete all references to them? are they open?
00:04:25 [AaronSw]
they were open when i deleted them...
00:04:34 [AaronSw]
they were log files
00:04:58 [deltab]
if processes still have them open, they're still in use and aren't deleted
00:05:29 [AaronSw]
hmm, but i killed the process and it still has freed the space
00:06:05 [AaronSw]
ah, there we go
00:06:31 [deltab]
the fuser command should tell you what processes have a file open
00:06:40 [CygBot]
Command "lynx http://rangersofdereth.dyndns.org" has been disabled
00:06:43 [AaronSw]
$ fuser
00:06:43 [AaronSw]
bash: fuser: command not found
00:06:57 [CygBot]
> fuser: not found
00:06:57 [CygBot]
> [end]
00:07:18 [BenSw|watchingsimpsons]
$ ls
00:08:49 [AaronSw]
thanks, deltab
00:09:29 [CygBot]
> 0.95-schema.html
00:09:31 [CygBot]
> 0.95-sopjgj.n3.text
00:09:31 [CygBot]
> 0.95-think.n3
00:09:33 [CygBot]
> 0.95.html
00:09:33 [CygBot]
> 0.95.n3
00:09:34 [CygBot]
> 01-02-b.txt
00:09:35 [CygBot]
> [...]
00:10:20 [BenSw|watchingsimpsons]
$ cd Windows/Desktop/impsons
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00:10:48 [BenSw|watchingsimpsons]
ach, must make sbp watch simpsons
00:11:00 [CygBot]
Command "cd Windows/Desktop/impsons" has been disabled
00:11:11 [sbp]
wb thc
00:11:18 [sbp]
it wouldn't have worked anyway
00:11:24 [sbp]
$ ls Windows
00:11:26 [CygBot]
> ls: Windows: No such file or directory
00:11:26 [CygBot]
> [end]
00:11:31 [BenSw|watchingsimpsons]
D'oh
00:12:48 [BenSw|watchingsimpsons]
wb thc
00:13:11 [thc]
ty :-)
00:13:41 [BenSw|watchingsimpsons]
Aaron:I am going outside ibn the snow
00:14:52 [BenSw|watchingsimpsons]
s/ibn/in/
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00:22:12 [BenSw|watchingsimpsons]
wb
00:22:34 [sbp]
ty
00:24:07 [sbp]
@ http://infomesh.net/misc
00:24:15 [chumpster]
A: http://infomesh.net/misc from sbp
00:24:25 [sbp]
A:|sbp:Miscellaneous
00:24:26 [chumpster]
titled item A
00:24:35 [sbp]
A::I scribble stuff here occasionally
00:24:39 [chumpster]
commented item A
00:25:42 [thc]
wb
00:25:53 [thc]
heh I suffer from slow reactions
00:30:12 [sbp]
heh, thanks
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00:40:24 [sbp]
* sbp downloads R8
00:46:14 [CygBot]
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00:46:31 [BenSw|watchingsimpsons]
whats R8?
00:46:43 [sbp]
Radio 8
00:46:54 [deus_x]
Mmm... Radio 8
00:46:54 [sbp]
c'mon guys! R8!
00:47:03 [sbp]
* sbp has done it already
00:47:10 [thc]
:)
00:47:33 [BenSw|watchingsimpsons]
whats Radio 8??
00:50:27 [sbp]
http://radio.userland.com/
00:50:28 [AaronSw]
radio.userland.ocm
00:50:33 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw is back
00:50:35 [BenSw|watchingsimpsons]
Ohhh
00:56:08 [AaronSw]
dinner
01:27:34 [sbp]
@ http://radio.weblogs.com/0101542/
01:27:40 [chumpster]
B: Bring It On Home from sbp
01:28:16 [sbp]
B::Sean B. Palmer's new [http://radio.userland.com/|R8] Weblog
01:28:17 [chumpster]
commented item B
01:29:31 [sbp]
B::Witness the wonderment and whimsy for 30 days
01:29:33 [chumpster]
commented item B
01:33:55 [AaronSw]
Heh!
01:34:25 [AaronSw]
"Purple is a fruit."
01:34:44 [AaronSw]
you don't have one of those mugs that subscribe people...
01:35:20 [AaronSw]
B::You must [subscribe today|http://127.0.0.1:5335/system/pages/subscriptions?url=http://radio.weblogs.com/0101542/rss.xml] (requires Radio UserLand to be running).
01:35:27 [chumpster]
commented item B
01:38:20 [BenSw|watchingsimpsons]
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01:39:29 [sbp]
Mugs? Oh dear. How do I get one of these prized items?
01:39:38 [sbp]
* sbp was away updating the Weblog
01:40:24 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw links to sbp
01:40:37 [sbp]
Woo!
01:43:43 [AaronSw]
tav, you should blab about stuff on your blog, then i can point people to it
01:45:42 [AaronSw]
.google cool hunter deedee gordon
01:45:43 [xena]
cool hunter deedee gordon: http://www.youthintelligence.com/company/yiarticle.asp?yiArticleId=7
01:45:47 [AaronSw]
.google cool hunter deedee gordon gladwell
01:45:49 [xena]
cool hunter deedee gordon gladwell: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/cool/interviews/gladwell.html
01:45:57 [AaronSw]
.google deedee gordon gladwell
01:45:59 [xena]
deedee gordon gladwell: http://www.suck.com/daily/97/03/26/3.html
01:46:02 [AaronSw]
.google deedee gordon site:gladwell.com
01:46:03 [xena]
deedee gordon site:gladwell.com: http://www.gladwell.com/1997_03_17_a_cool.htm
01:46:20 [tav]
hmz
01:46:34 [AaronSw]
B::Ooh, it has quotes from DeeDee Gordon, [famed cool hunter|http://www.gladwell.com/1997_03_17_a_cool.htm].
01:46:37 [chumpster]
commented item B
01:48:47 [sbp]
Whatever :-)
01:49:28 [tav]
yea, i'm gradually building up to that
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02:18:54 [AaronSw]
hey kenm
02:18:57 [kenm]
hey
02:19:09 [AaronSw]
i'm sorry... it was an accident, really!
02:19:12 [kenm]
curious: where's the 'discuss' link on Radio websites?
02:19:20 [AaronSw]
there isn't one -- they're static
02:19:23 [kenm]
I'm suspecting there ain't one
02:19:39 [AaronSw]
you're right
02:19:39 [AaronSw]
radio generates html pages and uploads them
02:20:12 [sbp]
* sbp continues to update http://radio.weblogs.com/0101542/
02:20:20 [AaronSw]
i'm susbscribed via rss
02:20:27 [sbp]
Heh, cool
02:20:37 [sbp]
OH that's a good point - I should check that out
02:22:47 [AaronSw]
Heh, "Tao of Putting"
02:22:56 [sbp]
:-)
02:23:06 [kenm]
* kenm wonders what a few AppleScripts and Apache could do for a weblog tool
02:23:27 [AaronSw]
Hmm.
02:23:38 [AaronSw]
I guess I'll need a weblogging tool after my Radio trial expires.
02:25:14 [AaronSw]
Heh: Last-modified: urllib2.urlopen('http://infomesh.net/misc').info()['last-modified']
02:25:18 [AaronSw]
- http://infomesh.net/misc/
02:25:51 [sbp]
s%http://infomesh.net/misc/%http://infomesh.net/misc%
02:26:10 [sbp]
@ http://www.wired.com/news/culture/0,1284,49343,00.html
02:26:13 [chumpster]
C: Kevin Bacon: You've Got Mail from sbp
02:26:31 [sbp]
C::The small world phenomenon tested via. email
02:26:36 [chumpster]
commented item C
02:28:01 [AaronSw]
http://altis.manilasites.com/2002/01/16
02:30:48 [thc]
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02:30:52 [AaronSw]
http://smallworld.sociology.columbia.edu/
02:31:32 [sbp]
Interesting: http://pythoncard.sourceforge.net/
02:31:36 [AaronSw]
yeah
02:32:07 [sbp]
Wow, HyperCard is still going: http://www.apple.com/hypercard/
02:32:08 [AaronSw]
@ http://smallworld.sociology.columbia.edu/
02:32:17 [chumpster]
D: Smallworld Front Page from AaronSw
02:32:32 [AaronSw]
D::Testing the "six degrees" theory on a global scale.
02:32:34 [chumpster]
commented item D
02:33:18 [sbp]
wow, small computer: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_276000/276762.stm
02:35:04 [sbp]
* sbp goes to http://www.weblogs.com/ finds Swhack right at the top
02:35:09 [AaronSw]
anyone here know a writer in New York?
02:35:22 [sbp]
and Bring It On Home is right up there, too
02:35:36 [AaronSw]
Probably because we just updated.
02:45:36 [sbp]
Yep
02:47:11 [sbp]
Heh, I just invented a word
02:50:18 [AaronSw]
what's that?
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sbp has changed the topic to: Cordon Blargh
02:56:25 [sbp]
lol!
02:56:26 [sbp]
[[[
02:56:26 [sbp]
53. Sean B. Palmer 60
02:56:26 [sbp]
54. Aaron Swartz 60
02:56:31 [sbp]
]]] - http://stats.userland.com/groups/radio1/report.html
02:56:38 [AaronSw]
heh
02:56:56 [sbp]
ah, you smeg head: 52. Aaron Swartz 61
02:57:32 [kenm]
http://letters.oreilly.com/spoofcovers_1201.html
02:59:16 [kenm]
I particularly like "true: in a nutshell" and "why you can't find your UNIX system administrator"
02:59:39 [AaronSw]
heh!
03:06:35 [AaronSw]
why you can't find your UNIX system administrator:
03:06:38 [AaronSw]
- last night's backup failed
03:06:41 [AaronSw]
- it's before noon
03:07:26 [AaronSw]
- draft cv found in paper recycling
03:07:42 [AaronSw]
- life's too short for monday
03:07:49 [AaronSw]
- you don't need to find them, they'll find you
03:08:28 [AaronSw]
too bad you can't enlarge them
03:11:28 [kenm]
yes, I had a hard time reading a few
03:11:56 [kenm]
news on PRT is so dead -- PRTnews is so dead :(
03:13:54 [AaronSw]
:-(
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03:15:41 [kenm]
otoh, work on Linux home theatre tools, and multimedia in general, is moving along swimmingly
03:18:10 [AaronSw]
heh, when I see these meerkats they remind me of Rael: http://www.oreillynet.com/images/rss/meerkat-topleft.jpg
03:22:03 [AaronSw]
why does it take two days for a package to get from austin to illinois?
03:23:28 [sbp]
interesting: http://www.siliconvalley.com/docs/news/svfront/037259.htm
03:23:38 [sbp]
two days: you should have walked there yourself and got it
03:23:48 [AaronSw]
yeah, really. or gotten wes to do it
03:25:39 [AaronSw]
That ZDNet guy: "I'd pretty much rather die than build all the buttons and links that FrontPage does for me."
03:25:52 [AaronSw]
Ok, i can now ignore anything he says.
03:26:06 [AaronSw]
I'd rather die than use frontpage, he'd rather die than not.
03:27:45 [kenm]
heh
03:28:15 [tomc]
Maybe he's going for controversy.
03:28:27 [kenm]
have you played with the html editor in WebObjects? I love that editor
03:28:42 [AaronSw]
Hmm, actually I haven't... I've seen others play with it.
03:28:50 [AaronSw]
does it generate nice html?
03:29:07 [kenm]
yes, very, very clean
03:29:23 [AaronSw]
XHTML?
03:29:27 [kenm]
yes
03:29:33 [AaronSw]
ooh
03:29:39 [kenm]
I think it's been updated to XHTML.
03:29:47 [kenm]
it also does *fragments* properly
03:30:06 [AaronSw]
nice...
03:30:19 [AaronSw]
Hmm, my folders have disappeared again
03:30:22 [sbp]
.google WebObjects
03:30:54 [AaronSw]
apple.com/webobjects/ i think
03:31:14 [kenm]
if you're on your osx box, you can just go straight to it by opening the builder. it works just as well standalone
03:31:20 [sbp]
What happened to xena?
03:31:34 [AaronSw]
Do I need to use ProjectBuilderWO?
03:31:43 [AaronSw]
(i'm always on my osx box ;))
03:31:47 [kenm]
it doesn't do css or have any support for extended tags, as you'd want with arbitrary xml schemas
03:32:06 [kenm]
no, you don't need to open PB.
03:32:14 [sbp]
ugh: The world’s easiest-to-use application server is written in the language of the Internet: Java.
03:32:25 [kenm]
I don't have my osx plugged into my monitor, otherwise I could be more specific ;)
03:32:28 [sbp]
.time
03:32:32 [kenm]
I've been lured by Gnome
03:32:44 [sbp]
Um... could you possibly get xena to stop ignoring me?
03:32:50 [AaronSw]
.google foo
03:33:10 [kenm]
hmm, "easiest-to-use" and "java" in the same sentence.
03:33:11 [tomc]
should pinging her do something?
03:33:39 [AaronSw]
probably not
03:34:00 [AaronSw]
i suppose i will have to investigate
03:34:10 [kenm]
WOBuilder! that's it
03:34:27 [AaronSw]
ProjectBuilderWO?
03:34:33 [AaronSw]
.time
03:34:41 [AaronSw]
xena can see us, and it tries to answer.
03:34:53 [AaronSw]
never mind, it was answering deltab
03:35:01 [AaronSw]
i better kill it
03:35:03 [deltab]
.time
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03:35:29 [AaronSw]
deltab, you weren't even appearing on the screen
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03:36:02 [AaronSw]
ugh, what is it kvetching about now?
03:36:21 [xena]
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03:37:05 [kenm]
ProjectBuilderWO is the IDE. WebObjects Builder is the html editing app
03:38:03 [kenm]
what have you been hacking in on osx?
03:38:17 [AaronSw]
python in pepper
03:38:38 [kenm]
have you been throught the tutorials on ProjectBuilder?
03:38:50 [AaronSw]
no
03:38:56 [kenm]
ie. building Cocoa apps
03:39:01 [kenm]
oh, you are missing out.
03:39:23 [AaronSw]
well, i don't know C and i'm not going to learn Java
03:39:51 [kenm]
how about AppleScript? ;)
03:39:51 [AaronSw]
so i have nothing to do but whine for AS Studio to support OSA
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03:42:14 [kenm]
http://www.aaa-plus.com/
03:42:29 [AaronSw]
i have fun designing dream apps in interface builder
03:43:19 [AaronSw]
interesting
03:43:31 [kenm]
Joy is the bridge that lets Python, Perl, Tcl, and even JavaScript be first-class Cocoa apps in ProjectBuilder, just like Apple's AppleStudio does with AppleScript
03:43:39 [AaronSw]
ooh, really?!
03:43:59 [kenm]
yes. and from what I've heard, it's near flawless, "it just works"
03:44:04 [AaronSw]
wow!
03:44:28 [kenm]
complete Cocoa apps in Python or Tcl, whichever you're preferring these days ;)
03:44:38 [AaronSw]
Python, these days
03:44:43 [AaronSw]
If this works I'll go crazy.
03:44:49 [AaronSw]
(in a good way)
03:45:02 [AaronSw]
I sort of muse about merging Python and Tcl...
03:45:29 [AaronSw]
the problem with Python is most cool things require language extensions, and the python folks hate language extensions. that's what makes me miss tcl
03:45:36 [kenm]
* kenm forgets Aaron said that
03:45:53 [AaronSw]
hmm
03:46:20 [kenm]
kinda what you just said, in that regard, Python and Tcl are on entirely opposite sides of the issue
03:46:37 [AaronSw]
yeah
03:46:44 [AaronSw]
so they should be merged!
03:46:57 [AaronSw]
the nice syntax of python, with the editability of tcl
03:47:09 [AaronSw]
well, i'm not so big on the foo(arg,arg2) thing...
03:47:13 [kenm]
heh, what you want is Dylan ;) it's got the most minimal of core syntax, everything else is macros, including support for any and all special characters ;)
03:47:36 [AaronSw]
heh, heh. apparently whats-his-names new lisp will be like that.
03:48:10 [kenm]
Dylan *is* lisp, except that the normative syntax is all based on macros
03:48:46 [AaronSw]
ok
03:48:54 [AaronSw]
i guess it's the same idea then
03:49:04 [kenm]
but, you *must* investigate Cocoa. it is far and away the best GUI development environment on the planet
03:49:04 [AaronSw]
hmm, i can't find this webobjects builder on my machine
03:49:08 [AaronSw]
oh, i know!
03:49:18 [AaronSw]
i love it, even tho i've not built anything yet
03:49:35 [AaronSw]
every day i wake up and go: "i wish i could program in cocoa"
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03:51:12 [kenm]
have you downloaded Joy yet?
03:51:18 [AaronSw]
yeah, running it now
03:53:24 [AaronSw]
hmm, sending away for my free key
03:53:28 [kenm]
hmm, I can't find WOBuilder on my 10.0 partition, which I most recently used only for Cocoa development. it's possible that they integrated it into somethign else (PBWO maybe) or it's only available with the WebObjects install. does the WO install come
03:53:31 [kenm]
with the developer install?
03:54:05 [AaronSw]
well, i know it was on the CD with the developer tools... not sure if i installed it
03:54:57 [AaronSw]
Aargh! It only comes with Tcl and JavaScript.
03:55:02 [AaronSw]
Tcl! Can you believe that...
03:55:26 [AaronSw]
And JavaScript... irony or ironies.
03:55:30 [AaronSw]
s/or/of/
03:57:08 [kenm]
do they no longer support Perl or Python, or are those seperate?
03:57:32 [kenm]
Perl was one of the first they ever supported, if not the first
03:58:03 [AaronSw]
i don't see anything about perl or python on their site
03:58:06 [kenm]
well, you might enjoy Tcl and Cocoa ;)
03:58:10 [AaronSw]
Heh.
03:58:42 [AaronSw]
I used to program in JavaScript before I learned Tcl, so it's doubly funny.
03:59:29 [sbp]
"""Aaron: "Why does it take two days for a package to get from Austin to Illinois?" That's like asking why there are more Windows users than there are Mac users - it's just one of those things that are impossible to explain...""" - http://radio.weblogs.com/0101542/
03:59:44 [AaronSw]
heh
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04:00:37 [sbp]
Pff, why do I bother? I've had about 10 hits to my brand spanking new Weblog
04:00:50 [AaronSw]
for google, silly!
04:00:56 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw runs his while 1 script on sbp's weblog.
04:01:03 [sbp]
Heh, heh, heh
04:01:17 [kenm]
heh, Objective-JavaScript
04:01:19 [AaronSw]
i read your weblog and find it very informative.
04:01:35 [AaronSw]
yeah, what's up with the objective-javascript?
04:02:14 [AaronSw]
maybe my evaluation key will activate the super python features
04:02:27 [kenm]
Objective-* means it supports the keyword-style syntax of Smalltalk, derived originally via Objective-C
04:02:52 [AaronSw]
I can see objective-tcl then -- just throw in some :s and you're done
04:04:27 [kenm]
odd, I don't even see mention of Tcl
04:04:31 [kenm]
on the website
04:04:36 [AaronSw]
google does
04:04:42 [AaronSw]
but no perl or python
04:04:52 [AaronSw]
.google site:aaa-plus.com python
04:04:53 [xena]
no results found.
04:05:45 [AaronSw]
.google site:www.aaa-plus.com python
04:05:46 [xena]
no results found.
04:06:11 [kenm]
brief mention: "Joy 1.x used Tcl as the base language; 2.x uses Obj-JS"
04:06:21 [AaronSw]
.google site:www.aaa-plus.com tcl
04:06:22 [xena]
site:www.aaa-plus.com tcl: http://www.aaa-plus.com/joy/docs/Manual.Tcl/English.lproj/Tcl/Tcl.html
04:06:31 [AaronSw]
i mean, there's a big tcl button in the program
04:06:36 [AaronSw]
and a javascript one
04:13:47 [AaronSw]
that's a bummer.
04:13:53 [AaronSw]
perhaps i can implement it in tcl or something
04:14:21 [kenm]
wow, sad, it looks like they dropped Perl and Python a long, long time ago. Tcl hangs on, I'm sure, just because it was so well integrated.
04:15:45 [AaronSw]
:-(
04:16:16 [AaronSw]
to think i was so close.
04:17:20 [kenm]
well, try Tcl or Obj-JS with Cocoa before you turn your back on it forever ;) Objective-C is really nice too, makes C++ look like the bloated elephant it is, but it still has it's own problems
04:18:05 [AaronSw]
yeah, of course. i'll send them an email too.
04:18:42 [kenm]
maybe you can get them to open-source those bindings ;)
04:19:09 [kenm]
I'm off. g'nite!
04:19:12 [AaronSw]
c'ya
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04:26:09 [sbp]
Archaea (http://www.ucmp.berkeley.edu/archaea/archaea.html) news: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_1764000/1764716.stm
04:26:36 [sbp]
Bijan: "look how much my wriitng has degerabled. shocking"
04:27:00 [AaronSw]
heh, that's what happens when yer on irc
04:27:16 [sbp]
yyeh
04:27:27 [AaronSw]
im bery exited about tis joy!
04:37:04 [AaronSw]
whee! joy is fun.
04:37:17 [AaronSw]
i'm building life-size gui apps in a command line!
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04:47:15 [AaronSw]
cool, you can mess with apps for which you don't even have source!
04:59:58 [sbp]
lol: """Imagine that a friend of yours is at a party talking to Dale, a beautiful member of whatever sex you happen to fancy.""" - http://philip.greenspun.com/wtr/dead-trees/53001.htm
05:01:29 [AaronSw]
why are you reading the old edition?
05:02:38 [sbp]
Because I did not know that there was a new edition
05:02:57 [AaronSw]
it says there is right at the top of the page
05:03:18 [AaronSw]
Heh: "I include a picture of myself naked with my old dog George and maps to my house and office on my site. And just as I typed that last period, sitting in what I thought was the privacy of my own home, someone I didn't know called me up. At 8:20 p.m. on a Monday. Would I make a donation to the March of Dimes?"
05:09:16 [sbp]
oh, nads to this
05:09:17 [sbp]
@ http://web.archive.org/web/20001004103052/http://www.fortunecity.com/lavendar/stradbroke/25/croissant.ra
05:09:24 [chumpster]
E: http://web.archive.org/web/20001004103052/http://www.fortunecity.com/lavendar/stradbroke/25/croissant.ra from sbp
05:09:42 [sbp]
E:|Phoebe: I Can't Say Croissant... Oh my God!
05:09:43 [chumpster]
titled item E
05:09:56 [sbp]
@ http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_496952.html?menu=news.quirkies
05:09:58 [AaronSw]
oh, it's realaudio isn't it?
05:10:02 [chumpster]
F: http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_496952.html?menu=news.quirkies from sbp
05:10:10 [sbp]
E::In Real Audio format
05:10:11 [chumpster]
commented item E
05:10:15 [AaronSw]
no! he's spamming the channel with stupid Radio UserLand stories!
05:10:27 [sbp]
F:|The Haggis Launcher
05:10:28 [chumpster]
titled item F
05:10:38 [sbp]
Well, someone may as well read this junk
05:10:42 [AaronSw]
please, no more!
05:10:47 [AaronSw]
:-)
05:10:56 [sbp]
Aw, come on!
05:11:00 [deltab]
sbp: I already read them when they were on your page
05:11:06 [AaronSw]
same here
05:11:12 [deltab]
no wonder they appeared instantly
05:11:12 [AaronSw]
just point people to your radio page
05:11:25 [sbp]
Mwahahahaha. Sod it
05:13:05 [sbp]
* sbp uninstalls R8
05:13:14 [deltab]
!
05:13:15 [AaronSw]
that lasted long
05:13:19 [sbp]
Heh, heh
05:13:31 [sbp]
'twas fun whilst it lasted
05:13:42 [AaronSw]
sbp hates everything it seems. this is why i'm not going to send him a mac. he'll try to uninstall it after 15 minutes!
05:14:00 [sbp]
Heh!
05:14:23 [sbp]
Well, the HTML was pretty poor anyway. I know I can edit it, but it really was bad
05:14:44 [sbp]
cf. my award winning R8 blog: http://radio.weblogs.com/0101542/2002/01/17.html#a3
05:16:04 [sbp]
* sbp carefully archives the thing - http://web.archive.org/web/20020116211717/http://radio.weblogs.com/0101542/
05:16:47 [sbp]
N.B. If you sent me a Mac, I'd get to uninstall Windows
05:16:55 [AaronSw]
hmm, good point
05:17:16 [AaronSw]
would you like an old iBook? it's blue and toilet-seat-shaped and needs ram
05:17:44 [sbp]
.google toilet-seat-shaped iBook
05:17:45 [xena]
toilet-seat-shaped iBook: http://www.techtv.com/freshgear/reviews/story/0,23008,3328300,00.html
05:18:06 [sbp]
oh, you fixed xena?
05:18:11 [AaronSw]
yeah
05:18:31 [sbp]
ooh, nice laptop
05:19:11 [AaronSw]
yeah, it was really durable... survived a lot of bumping and banging at school for 2 or 3 years
05:19:29 [sbp]
Crap chat up line #9018265: "Why, what a wonderful laptop. Mind if I sit on it?"
05:19:32 [AaronSw]
oh, not that one.
05:19:36 [sbp]
Heh, heh
05:19:45 [sbp]
yep, #9018265 strikes again
05:20:06 [AaronSw]
no, i meant that url doesn't picture the toilet shaped one
05:20:39 [sbp]
Ah, right
05:20:53 [sbp]
.google oval iBook
05:20:54 [xena]
oval iBook: http://sfsubookstore.com/orders/catalog.lasso
05:21:09 [AaronSw]
it's more popularly called "clamshell-shaped"
05:21:11 [AaronSw]
or clam-shaped
05:22:20 [sbp]
Hmm... can't find one
05:22:52 [AaronSw]
http://www.macworld.com/1999/10/22/ibook.html
05:24:14 [sbp]
Thanks... but no pic.
05:24:25 [AaronSw]
well here we go: http://images.google.com/images?q=clamshell+ibook&hl=en&sa=N&tab=wi
05:24:50 [AaronSw]
specifcally mine looks like this: http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/400000/images/_400464_imac_handle150.jpg
05:25:12 [sbp]
Cool
05:25:13 [AaronSw]
the orange one looks like this: http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/400000/images/_400464_imac_promo300.jpg
05:26:12 [AaronSw]
.google chicago force
05:26:13 [xena]
chicago force: http://chicagoforce.org/register/logout
05:28:19 [sbp]
Actually, it's a good job that I did uninstall R8 - I would only have becomed attached to it, and wailed when it got taken awa from me in 30 days
05:28:26 [sbp]
becomed? lol
05:28:38 [AaronSw]
heh
05:33:12 [sbp]
B::No longer maintained, since I uninstalled R8. Perhaps I could put the site up again somewhere else? Nah...
05:33:13 [chumpster]
commented item B
05:33:53 [AaronSw]
Another RDF API? Eep!
05:34:01 [sbp]
Heh, heh
05:34:20 [sbp]
this one is rather small, though
05:35:29 [sbp]
Will Dave take the site down after the 30 days, do ya reckon? That's be a shame. I quite enjoyed it
05:35:40 [sbp]
s/That's/That'd/
05:36:11 [AaronSw]
I doubt it.
05:42:46 [AaronSw]
tav, i got zooko to provide rss output
05:42:53 [AaronSw]
it's available via blogifyYourPage
05:47:24 [AaronSw]
sbp's weblog was so much fun. i miss it already
05:47:40 [sbp]
argh... me too
05:48:13 [AaronSw]
you can always install the new Radio 8.0.1
05:48:57 [sbp]
8.0.1?
05:49:01 [AaronSw]
yeah
05:49:34 [AaronSw]
hey, sbp, can you take a look at http://logicerror.com/test for me?
05:52:41 [sbp]
Sure
05:53:13 [sbp]
lol! that's hillarious
05:53:28 [AaronSw]
:-)
05:53:55 [sbp]
Shame it didn't work
05:54:04 [AaronSw]
what happened?
05:54:13 [sbp]
script error on page
05:54:17 [AaronSw]
aww.
05:54:32 [AaronSw]
oops
05:54:34 [AaronSw]
forgot to close a )
05:54:50 [AaronSw]
ok, reload.
05:55:00 [sbp]
heh, no way :-)
05:55:18 [sbp]
oh alright
05:55:27 [AaronSw]
thanks
05:55:30 [sbp]
done
05:55:36 [sbp]
I dunno if it worked. Let me know
05:55:41 [AaronSw]
will do
05:55:43 [sbp]
no script errors this time
05:55:54 [AaronSw]
if it doesn't i'll stick corrected versions into random pages on my site
05:56:09 [AaronSw]
;-)
05:56:36 [sbp]
* sbp makes note not to visit any page authored by Aaron ever again
05:57:09 [AaronSw]
whoa, wtf just happened?!
05:57:13 [sbp]
What?
05:57:33 [sbp]
hello?
05:57:35 [AaronSw]
my screen went all screwy and I heard this "chuck, chuck, chuck" sound like someone hitting metal into speakers
05:57:47 [sbp]
Ooh, weird
05:58:28 [AaronSw]
i guess i was not meant to know the secrets of cygbot
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05:59:08 [AaronSw]
alright, i better get to sleep. g'nite
05:59:28 [AaronSw]
TODO tomorrow: write up snowman story for my blog
05:59:42 [AaronSw]
oh, and get vorpal running
06:00:23 [AaronSw]
nite
06:00:51 [sbp]
c'ya
06:07:26 [sbp]
"""*sigh* 30 days trials really are a trial. I decided to uninstall R8 - I couldn't face getting attached to it and then having it taken away from me after the evaluation period. I managed to uninstall the product without too much bother - but I was left with a stange sensation... something... missing. The seconds ticked by.... nothing to do... must... blog... news items...""" - Bring It On Home, http://radio.weblogs.com/0101542/
06:08:04 [sbp]
BLURB:30-Day Trials
06:08:06 [chumpster]
G: 30-Day Trials from sbp
06:08:19 [sbp]
G::"""*sigh* 30 days trials really are a trial. I decided to uninstall R8 - I couldn't face getting attached to it and then having it taken away from me after the evaluation period. I managed to uninstall the product without too much bother - but I was left with a stange sensation... something... missing. The seconds ticked by.... nothing to do... must... blog... news items...""" - [http://radio.weblogs.com/0101542/|Bring It On Home]
06:08:20 [chumpster]
commented item G
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wb thc
13:45:22 [thc]
ty, hello
13:45:47 [BenSw]
whats up?
13:46:35 [thc]
not alot... I was just wondering if I should eat something
13:47:40 [thc]
:-) and yourself?
13:48:31 [BenSw]
nothing much trying to start on my MMORPG
13:50:34 [thc]
That means big game?
13:51:08 [BenSw]
sorta... like Everquest, but in python
13:51:26 [thc]
:o) Yes I learn this stuff from my brother...
13:51:53 [thc]
I have heard of everquest, can't say I know anything about it
13:52:24 [thc]
but OK :)
13:58:00 [BenSw]
gotta go now cya
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14:27:27 [AaronSw]
sean, sean, sean, sean
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* AaronSw does some photo blogging
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* AaronSw installs WebObjects
15:53:29 [AaronSw]
wha?! i have to be root?
15:53:37 [AaronSw]
pfflarg
15:59:20 [AaronSw]
it says to read the manual for instructions, and the manual says i don't need to be root.
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16:34:51 [AaronSw]
today's question is what FS to use
16:35:01 [AaronSw]
i hear ReiserFS is pretty good.
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16:36:29 [AaronSw]
deltab, what do you recommedn?
16:36:32 [AaronSw]
hey sbp
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Hi there
16:37:59 [sbp]
ooh, is that your house?
16:38:03 [AaronSw]
it is
16:38:22 [AaronSw]
what do you think? i thought that was a nice shot.
16:38:53 [sbp]
I see what you mean about winter wonderland :-)
16:38:57 [AaronSw]
heh
16:39:13 [AaronSw]
my server is currently in the truck
16:39:20 [AaronSw]
so i am making last-minute decisions and stuff
16:39:29 [sbp]
Heh, neat
16:39:46 [AaronSw]
now i'm trying do decide where ToReiserOrNot
16:41:09 [sbp]
.google Reiser
16:41:10 [xena]
Reiser: http://www.tiscali.no/trav
16:41:14 [AaronSw]
reiserfs
16:42:59 [AaronSw]
.google reiserfs
16:43:01 [xena]
reiserfs: http://www.namesys.com
16:44:56 [lilo--]
[Global Notice] Hi all. A main rotation server has lost its connection. We've removed it from the rotation for the forseeable future. Apologies for the inconvenience.
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17:05:47 [tav]
reiserfs isn't highly recommended, unless it's a dev box
17:05:52 [AaronSw]
hmm, ok
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17:31:37 [AaronSw]
.webster technology
17:31:39 [xena]
Technology defined as:
17:31:40 [xena]
n. [Gr. ? an art + -logy; cf. Gr. ?
17:31:41 [xena]
- systematic treatment: cf. F. technologie.] Industrial science; the science of systematic knowledge of the industrial arts, especially of the more important manufactures, as spinning, weaving, metallurgy, etc.
17:31:42 [xena]
- Note: Technology is not an independent science, having a set of doctrines of its own, but consists of applications of the principles established in the various physical sciences (chemistry, mechanics, mineralogy, etc.) to manufacturing processes. --Internat. Cyc.
17:32:02 [AaronSw]
XHTML 2.0 is a file format, not a technology.
17:32:06 [AaronSw]
.wn technology
17:32:07 [xena]
technology defined as:
17:32:09 [xena]
- n 1: the practical application of science to commerce or industry [syn: {engineering}]
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- 2: the discipline dealing with the art or science of applying scientific knowledge to practical problems; "he had trouble deciding which branch of engineering to study" [syn: {engineering}, {engineering science}, {applied science}]
18:12:33 [BenSw]
.acronym wtf
18:12:36 [xena]
wtf: What The Freak (polite form), Waste Treatment Facility, Way To Fail, What If, What's This For?, When The Freak (polite form), Where the Freak (polite form), Where's the Food?, Where's the Fridge?, Why the Failure, Why The Freak (polite form), Wisconsin Test Facility, World Taekwon Do Federation, World Tennis Federation
18:13:34 [BenSw]
.acronym wmf
18:13:35 [xena]
wmf: Weighted Matched Filter, Windows Media Format (Microsoft), Windows Metafile (file name extension), Workload Monitoring Function, World Monuments Fund (New York City, NY, USA)
18:13:53 [BenSw]
.acronym esp
18:13:55 [xena]
esp: Especially, Extrasensory Perception, Early Support Program, Earthquake Survival Program, Earth-Surface-Potential, E-commerce Service Provider, Economic Security Project, Edge Services Provider, Educational Series for Parents, Electric Submersible Pump, Electro Selective Pattern (Olympus cameras), Electromagnetic Surface Patch, Electronic Security and Patrol, Electronic Shift Program,
18:13:56 [xena]
Electronic Skip Protection (portable CD players), Electronic Sort Processor, Electronic Stability Program, Electronic Statement Presentment, Electronic Strike Package, Electronic Support Planner (USAP)
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18:44:21 [AaronSw]
raaaaaargh!
18:44:24 [AaronSw]
it's here!
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\
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* AaronSw bounces off walls!
18:49:08 [AaronSw]
Mom: "You have no business getting that excited over something that's not a Mac. I'm going to tell Steve on you."
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AaronSw has changed the topic to: vorpal is here!
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doh! you're right, Objective-Everything
19:27:52 [AaronSw]
you don't happen to have a copy, do you?
19:27:58 [kenm]
no
19:30:31 [AaronSw]
what's the generic linux NIC driver?
19:30:40 [kenm]
eth?
19:31:01 [AaronSw]
no...
19:32:19 [kenm]
hmm, tiptop seems to no longer have the Objective pages...
19:32:35 [AaronSw]
yeah, you can get them from web.archive.org tho
19:32:40 [AaronSw]
but no download :(
19:32:45 [AaronSw]
hmm, i'll guess tulip
19:34:42 [AaronSw]
hmm, modprobe can't find it
19:52:43 [kenm]
gotta run, ttyl
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19:55:43 [AaronSw]
Aha. The Dell PowerEdge 500SC uses an Intel EtherExpress Pro 10/100 Ethernet NIC card (Intel 82557) and thus should be configured with the eepro100 driver.
20:12:05 [AaronSw]
vorpal: http://radio.weblogs.com/0100663/images/newserver.jpg
20:49:15 [AaronSw]
man, apt rocks!
20:49:22 [AaronSw]
i gotta install apt-rpm on my redhat boxen
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21:55:14 [AaronSw]
hey there!
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debian rocks!
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AaronSw has changed the topic to: vorpal is here and debian rocks!
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:-)
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there are 6 of you now?
22:22:58 [AaronSw]
hmm, why does apt-getting courier-imap make me get exim?
22:23:49 [tav]
<scipient> one annoying thing w/ debian is installing qmail.. debian won't let you uninstall exim b/c everythingdepends on a "mail-transport-agent"
22:24:12 [AaronSw]
hmm
22:24:18 [deltab]
you can replace one by another though, surely?
22:24:32 [deltab]
rpm would let me do that
22:24:45 [AaronSw]
yeah, it's just that the debian folks and djb have philosphical problems with each other
22:24:49 [deltab]
actually, hmm
22:25:05 [AaronSw]
so you have to grab the "illicit" qmail packages
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or use source
22:25:35 [AaronSw]
apt-get i really quit nice, tho
22:26:05 [AaronSw]
who needs source when you have apt?
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22:30:28 [AaronSw]
aha. the problem is that courier-imap lists valid packages explicitly
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22:46:11 [AaronSw]
aha. i forgot to install qmail-run
22:47:57 [AaronSw]
wow, toad.com
22:51:10 [thc]
which is..?
22:51:19 [AaronSw]
err. toad.com is down
22:51:27 [thc]
I noticed.
22:51:41 [AaronSw]
it's john gillmore's website... www.toad.com seems to work
22:51:47 [thc]
Oh
22:52:24 [AaronSw]
supporting free speech
22:52:56 [thc]
That's wonderful :o)
23:05:30 [AaronSw]
he runs a very useful non-spam open relay, but it seems to be down.
23:06:08 [AaronSw]
ok, so now that i've installed qmail properly, courier-imap downloads fine
23:06:16 [AaronSw]
tav, you can tell scipient to grab the qmail packages
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23:07:24 [AaronSw]
anyone know how to jump to the start of a line in bash?
23:07:37 [tav]
^a
23:07:46 [AaronSw]
ah, nice, thanks
23:28:59 [AaronSw]
.debian mailman
23:29:03 [AaronSw]
.dtrt debian:mailman
23:29:05 [xena]
debian:mailman: http://www.google.com/search?q=debian%3Amailman
23:29:09 [AaronSw]
hmmph
23:29:49 [deltab]
haha, it dtwt
23:29:55 [AaronSw]
lol
23:30:42 [AaronSw]
man, debian has everything
23:32:43 [AaronSw]
packages.debian.org needs an "i'm feeling lucky" button
23:32:56 [tav]
thought you already had a debian box?
23:33:02 [tav]
* tav hugs his debian laptop
23:33:04 [AaronSw]
no, vorpal is my first
23:33:16 [AaronSw]
it's so much fun
23:33:48 [tav]
yea, my favourite moment was... *fuck! no wget! then going oh it's debian 'apt-get install wget'*
23:33:53 [AaronSw]
heh
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23:33:58 [tav]
and being able to use wget on the second command
23:34:03 [AaronSw]
yeah, i had that a few hours ago
23:34:12 [tav]
it so rocks!
23:34:17 [AaronSw]
i created a little script called fink that automatically runs apt-get under sudo
23:34:26 [AaronSw]
now it feels just like my mac ;-)
23:34:28 [tav]
heh fink
23:35:44 [AaronSw]
apt-get is too long to type
23:36:06 [AaronSw]
why didn't they just call it "apt"?
23:36:50 [deltab]
apt-get is one of the commands in apt, I guess
23:36:51 [tav]
cos there are other apps in apt
23:37:06 [tav]
just alias apt-get to apt
23:37:22 [AaronSw]
but there's no apt package, or any other apt-* packages, right?
23:37:24 [deltab]
or fink :-)
23:37:26 [AaronSw]
s/package/app/
23:37:35 [tav]
ehm, yes there are
23:37:42 [AaronSw]
oh, what are they?
23:37:42 [AaronSw]
yeah, i like my finklet
23:37:51 [tav]
apt-cache / config / setup / sortpkgs
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etc
23:38:03 [AaronSw]
oh, right
23:38:12 [AaronSw]
but apt-get is clearly most important ;-)
23:38:18 [tav]
indeed
23:38:38 [tav]
i have an apt-upgrade alias which apt-get updates and then updates
23:38:39 [deltab]
apt-cdrom, -move, -zip
23:38:42 [tav]
r0x0r!
23:39:07 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw adds that to his finklet
23:39:17 [AaronSw]
what's apt-cdrom do?
23:39:44 [AaronSw]
ah: apt-cdrom is used to add a new CDROM to APTs list of available sources
23:43:40 [AaronSw]
hmm, turns out qmail isn't in the distro because it puts its directories in strange places.
23:43:50 [AaronSw]
pretty awful reason, imo
23:47:24 [AaronSw]
dinner
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