00:00:33 i'm not a vacuum furnace you fuckers! 00:01:53 * tav` stares at AaronSw re: singularity comment 00:02:16 have i not been speaking to you enough? 00:02:36 why? 00:02:37 sbp has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00:02:51 sbp (~sean@m79-mp1-cvx4c.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack 00:03:06 technology is not a solution by itself 00:03:41 hmm, i don't think i've really heard you say that 00:03:56 sure you have 00:04:01 although it's plainly true 00:04:19 i recall saying it just under a week ago 00:04:22 well, you may have said it but I didn't register that you really believed it. 00:04:25 though that instance might have been to para 00:04:32 but, i say it often enough 00:05:29 anyways, i really hate talking about the singularity 00:05:44 why? 00:05:58 last time, ended up with a 3 hour debate with someone 00:06:12 imo, it's easier to believe in than your vision 00:06:29 really? 00:06:33 yeah 00:06:55 my vision is realistic, it takes into account true social conditions 00:07:25 technology getting better and better will have crazy consequences vs. a bunch of people are going to organize the world into a perfect utopia 00:09:57 we should refer to that around 2009 sometime ;p 00:12:03 i'm pretty confident that either the singularity will have occurred or the espian vision won't have 00:14:55 so basically saying espian vision won't happen? 00:15:31 no 00:15:49 if my logic is right, your statement is only true if the singularity doesn't happen and espian vision does happen 00:15:49 ? 00:15:57 S || !EV 00:16:11 yeah 00:16:22 the opposite is: !S && EV 00:16:27 by demorgan's law 00:17:47 .py exec("def pt(s,e):\n\tif s == 1 or e == 0: print 'prediction true\n'") 00:17:49 SyntaxError: invalid syntax 00:18:23 hmz 00:18:31 .py exec("def pt(s,e):\n\tif s == 1 or e == 0: print 'prediction true'") 00:18:32 SyntaxError: invalid syntax 00:18:35 hmzie 00:18:47 what's wrong there? 00:18:50 iow, you get the cash if in 2012 there's no singularity but there is an espian vision 00:19:10 i'm just predicting that there will be a singularity before there's an espian vision, really 00:19:51 i reckon the opposite, if that is, a singularity ever occurs 00:20:04 or should that be 'the' ;p 00:20:27 pt(0, 0): true; pt(0, 1): false; pt(1, 0): true; pt(1, 1): true 00:21:02 oooh, cheers sbp 00:21:08 np 00:21:13 so, my logic is right! 00:21:16 lol: 00:21:17 >Come watch me and my friends experimenting live on webcam... 00:21:17 ...or see Mr. Connolly experimenting live on IRC... 00:21:17 - danja 00:21:25 sbp, from who's point of view? 00:21:38 mine, i assume 00:21:45 i.e. if it's true, i win the bet 00:21:45 I just ran all possible scenarios of tav's program 00:21:49 ok 00:21:57 pt = prediction true - for the prediction you made AaronSw 00:22:02 ok 00:22:06 I think that false gives the money to tav 00:22:12 yep 00:22:12 s = singularity, e = espian vision 00:22:46 the only false is if there is an espian vision, but no singularity => your reasoning was correct 00:23:03 hmz, i may have found another espian! a fairly well talented coder too 00:23:11 who's that? 00:23:15 well, a correct expression of your opinion. I'm staying out of the arguement :-) 00:23:22 s/arguement/argument/ 00:23:26 who? 00:23:44 thelema 00:24:03 thelema is ~thelema@adsl-65-65-200-131.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net * Edgar Friendly 00:24:22 what channel? 00:24:32 lol! I just got the www-talk mail 00:24:42 that's hillarious 00:24:46 no channels listed 00:24:48 freenet'er / mnet'er 00:25:09 *** on channels: #freenet 00:26:07 * sbp sends appreciative note to danja 00:26:37 [puzzlement] 00:26:42 eh? 00:26:48 it's quite a funny message 00:26:49 walking into conversations halfway through is always fun 00:28:29 hmz 00:28:49 meaning of life, tav? 00:31:38 anyone have a nice rss viewer for zooko? 00:35:34 with 00:35:48 channels? 00:35:56 what? 00:36:09 in freenet: 00:36:09 what's FEC? 00:36:09 I 00:36:09 ah, forward error correction 00:36:09 of 00:36:11 orasis: The splitting and FEC is going to have to be over a lot of pieces in freenet. 00:36:13 sorry, must be a bad connection 00:40:56 .status 00:40:57 server(s): 00:40:58 - irc.espnow.com:6667 - #bfn, #esp, #esp-core, #espra, #google, #plex, #xenadev 00:40:59 - adams.openprojects.net:6667 - #BRITS, #Brits, #CNN_Newsfeed, #Freenet, #InfoAnarchy, #OPenProjects, #OpenProjects, #Openprojects, #RDFIG, #ZOPE, #Zope, #brits, #erights, #esp, #espra, #freenet, #google, #infoAnarchy, #infoanarchy, #nowplaying, #openProjects, #openprojects, #openspace, #p2p-hackers, #plex, #python#lojban, #rdfig, #sbp, #swhack, #syndic8, #tj, #validator, #world-relations, 00:41:00 #xenadev, #zope 00:41:01 - irc.w3.org:6665 - #er, #sw, #swad, #swcg 00:41:02 module(s): 00:41:04 - execute, espra-alert, inet, isotime, seen, dict, esp_chanmon, temperature, autojoin, relay 00:41:04 - inet2 00:41:06 command triggers: "['.']" - python triggers: "['x', '.py', '.python']" 00:41:08 base logfile: "/home/services/bots/xena/creature/creature.log" 00:41:10 why does it think its name is dB? 00:41:10 started: 2002/01/06 08:25:42 - uptime: 8 day(s) 16 hr(s) 17 min(s) 2 sec(s) 00:41:33 I like how it's on #ZOPE, #Zope and #zope 00:42:05 i wonder if i should restart it 00:44:39 we are an organisation intending to gather a lot of resources in order to fulfil our rather ambitious vision of changing the world on a truly fundamental level 00:50:59 .google beland 00:51:01 beland: http://www.fort-smith.net 00:51:17 .google mit beland 00:51:20 mit beland: http://www.mit.edu/~beland 00:52:10 """Who am I, anyway? I am a scientist, journalist, activist, politician, hacker, philosopher, engineer. I am a thinker and a busybody; someone who cares, and somebody who does. I absorb, process, and move around information. I log in. Currently an undergraduate at MIT , I plan to graduate in June, 2001, and move to the San Francisco Bay Area after that.""" - http://web.mit.edu/beland/www/beland.html 00:56:26 those sound like good google keywords 00:56:30 for that script 00:56:46 http://dlp.cs.berkeley.edu:8080/cgi-bin/hchen/computesignature.pl 00:57:12 let's try it 00:58:30 heh: ffnsnf unlameness christinadefalco cbeland affweb institvte cerebrate slipstick calpirg cogitate 01:02:06 .google ffnsnf unlameness christinadefalco cbeland affweb institvte cerebrate slipstick calpirg cogitate 01:02:08 ffnsnf unlameness christinadefalco cbeland affweb institvte cerebrate slipstick calpirg cogitate: http://web.mit.edu/beland/www/beland.html 01:05:58 sbp has quit (Killed (NickServ (Ghost: SeanP!~sean@m20-mp1-cvx4c.pop.ntl.com))) 01:06:17 sbp (~sean@m20-mp1-cvx4c.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack 01:09:06 sbp has quit (Killed (NickServ (Ghost: SeanP!~sean@m37-mp1-cvx4c.pop.ntl.com))) 01:09:24 sbp (~sean@m37-mp1-cvx4c.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack 01:10:27 today's logs started with: 00:00:33 i'm not a vacuum furnace you fuckers! 01:10:44 *** Set by AaronSw on Mon Jan 14 05:24:28 01:10:45 heh, heh. AaronSw has an unparalleled intuition 01:10:45 *** Disconnected 01:11:15 what was set by me? 01:11:33 er... just pasted in a bit more than I should have 01:11:42 [[[ 01:11:43 *** Disconnected 01:11:43 *** Attempting to rejoin... 01:11:43 *** Rejoined channel #swhack 01:11:43 *** Topic is ' hmz is the meaning of life' 01:11:43 *** Set by AaronSw on Mon Jan 14 05:24:28 01:11:45 ]]] 01:11:55 intuition for what? 01:12:03 just intuition 01:23:42 deus_x has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01:26:45 lol: http://web.mit.edu/beland/www/pics/mitnude.jpg 01:54:27 sbp has quit (Killed (NickServ (Ghost: SeanP!~sean@m963-mp1-cvx3b.pop.ntl.com))) 01:54:46 sbp (~sean@m963-mp1-cvx3b.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack 01:54:56 zota (~chatzilla@adsl-66-123-57-58.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net) has joined #swhack 01:59:13 sbp has quit (Killed (NickServ (Ghost: SeanP!~sean@m28-mp1-cvx4c.pop.ntl.com))) 01:59:31 sbp (~sean@m28-mp1-cvx4c.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack 02:00:26 hey zota 02:00:57 hello aaron. 02:01:17 another alias for hazmat? 02:07:04 indeed. 02:09:18 Fascinating: "None of this matters to Steve Jobs. It took me a long time to figure this out, but he is quite content with the status quo. That's because Steve's definition of success is different from Bill's, and from that of most other people in the computer industry. Success to Steve means getting his own way. That's all. Forget about market share. It's all about longevity and personal dominance." 02:09:21 - http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/pulpit20020110.html 02:12:55 eek! Rael has been downgraded to Researcher 02:13:46 [02:10] hey, is tav in swhack? 02:13:47 [02:10] tav`, yes 02:13:47 [02:10] ask him if he reads the logs now that the annoying morbo is gone ;) 02:13:51 lol: http://www.geekculture.com/joyoftech/joyarchives/282.html 02:14:10 ooh, tech 02:14:37 heh! I didn't think of it as one of them 02:14:41 a dippy duck 02:14:43 iDippyDuck 02:15:10 heh: http://www.geekculture.com/joyoftech/joyarchives/282poll.html 02:15:34 zota has quit (forward.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 02:15:34 xena has quit (forward.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 02:24:26 [[[ 02:24:26 zota (~chatzilla@adsl-66-123-57-58.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net) has joined #swhack 02:24:26 xena (xena@mewtwo.espnow.com) has joined #swhack 02:24:27 [02:22] and disobey.com? haven't touched it in forever. 02:24:27 [02:23] can I have it? 02:24:27 [02:23] have what? disobey.com? 02:24:27 [02:23] yeah 02:24:27 [02:23] no, you can't have disobey.com 02:24:28 ]]] 02:24:46 aww 02:25:03 I know. I was like, "aw, please?" 02:25:05 interesting... but that does not mean the end goals don't achieve the same effect if left unrestrained, the real difference is the means they will use to achieve their ends. 02:25:19 hey tav' did you get my email with the lucenexml demo? 02:28:05 sbp has quit (Killed (NickServ (Ghost: SeanP!~sean@m28-mp1-cvx4c.pop.ntl.com))) 02:28:20 nope 02:28:24 sbp (~sean@m28-mp1-cvx4c.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack 02:29:21 tav`: ughh.. it was sitting in my outbox, its sent now. 02:30:06 man, the newton really did rock 02:30:23 i wonder where mine went... oh, maybe i dropped it 02:30:27 * zota drools over the sharp zaraus 02:30:33 http://www.macrumors.com/forums/showthread.php3?s=3be9d81c5fde31ba99ee415e92cd8ff6&threadid=1057 02:30:37 ^ newton vids 02:30:49 their giving away 60 to anyone who passes the first round of the trolltech/sharp contest. 02:32:20 tansaku2 has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02:44:09 @ http://www.hubbe.net/~hubbe/x2vnc.html 02:44:14 A: x2vnc 1.31 from AaronSw 02:46:17 A::"This program will let you use two screens on two different computers as if they were connected to the same computer. Even if one of the computers runs Windows 95/98/NT and the other one runs X-windows." 02:46:18 commented item A 03:16:53 OK, tomorrow will be an IRC/Email/RadioUserLand-free day for me. 03:18:39 I hope you understand these drastic productivity enhancing measures. 03:19:45 AaronSw has changed the topic to: What is mind? No matter. What is matter? Never mind. 03:23:36 lol 03:42:35 sbp is now known as SeanP 03:42:52 SeanP is now known as sbp 03:57:42 sbp has quit (Killed (NickServ (Ghost: SeanP!~sean@m997-mp1-cvx3b.pop.ntl.com))) 03:58:00 sbp (~sean@m997-mp1-cvx3b.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack 04:10:30 AaronSw is now known as sbp` 04:10:42 sbp` is now known as SeanP 04:11:42 SeanP is now known as Morbus 04:12:04 Morbus is now known as AaronSw 04:15:08 .rot13 while 1: print 'hi there' 04:15:09 juvyr 1: cevag 'uv gurer' 04:53:43 hmm, i thought i pointed tav to zentv a while ago 05:05:00 Pat Hayes: "Allowing reification into the formalism is like dancing on the edge of a cliff, BTW." 05:10:04 CygBot (~sbp@m997-mp1-cvx3b.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack 05:10:14 $ echo "hello, #swhack" 05:10:15 there - that's better 05:10:33 $ ls 05:11:40 CygBot has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05:11:44 CygBot (~sbp@m997-mp1-cvx3b.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack 05:11:48 $ echo "hello, #swhack" 05:11:49 > hello, #swhack 05:11:50 > 05:11:52 $ ls 05:12:01 > 0.95-schema.html 05:12:02 > 0.95-sopjgj.n3.text 05:12:03 > 0.95-think.n3 05:12:04 > 0.95.html 05:12:05 > 0.95.n3 05:12:06 > 2000 05:12:07 > 2001-12-31.txt 05:12:08 > 20020112-141032.bash_history 05:12:09 > 20020112-184806.sha 05:12:10 > 4a59e80b6a5bfb4c8d8a592086a290b347c5d2b62418abe878cfa8037063ca268edeadd184bc3d54bf683584f294caf7a3109c90458b45f93d25587618070fa1 05:12:12 > ATCS2.html 05:12:14 > ATCS2.txt 05:12:16 > Copy of 20020109-223625.sh 05:12:18 > Copy of 20020109-223634.sh 05:12:20 > Copy of 20020109-223647.sh 05:12:22 > Copy of SimpleText.py 05:12:24 > Copy of rdfstoxhtml.n3 05:12:26 > Copy of simpsons.py 05:12:28 > [...] 05:12:45 :-) 05:13:08 $ cat 4a59e80b6a5bfb4c8d8a592086a290b347c5d2b62418abe878cfa8037063ca268edeadd184bc3d54bf683584f294caf7a3109c90458b45f93d25587618070fa1 05:13:20 > blargh 05:13:30 huh? 05:13:34 oh 05:13:35 heh 05:13:54 $ ls *semanticweb* 05:14:07 > ls: *semanticweb*: No such file or directory 05:14:07 > 05:14:53 CygBot has quit (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 05:15:03 oh crap, pushed a wrong button :-) 05:15:22 actually, I was trying to copy something from the console window, and of course, ctrl-c exits the program... 05:15:27 CygBot (~sbp@m997-mp1-cvx3b.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack 05:15:54 $ python util/simpsons.py 05:16:05 > The Simpsons are not on today on BBC2 05:16:05 > The Simpsons are on today on Sky One at 19:00 19:30 05:16:05 > 05:16:44 I just had to make a program for that :-) 05:16:54 $ cat util/simpsons.py 05:17:07 Command "cat util/simpsons.py" has been disabled 05:17:51 $ wc util/simpsons.py 05:17:52 > 19 92 753 util/simpsons.py 05:17:52 > 05:17:57 not a big script 05:18:12 CygBot will print out 20 lines, I think 05:18:25 up to 20 lines, that is 05:18:41 > /home 05:18:41 cool 05:18:41 > 05:19:01 Hmm... sending it a PRIVMSG makes it come through on here. I'd better fix that :-) 05:19:52 $ ls c:/WINDOWS/Desktop/*.html 05:19:53 > c:/WINDOWS/Desktop/index.html 05:19:53 > 05:20:07 cool. CygWin can access the rest of the HD too 05:21:20 hmm: http://www.ircle.com/colorfaq.shtml 05:22:25 * sbp wonders if he should run "$ cat c*bot.py | grep Aaron" - what secrets will it divulge? 05:22:35 hmm 05:22:46 $ cat c*bot.py | grep Aaron 05:22:47 > except: f = "URI unobtainable (thanks to AaronSw for pointing out the bug)" 05:22:48 > 05:22:58 spew:http://www.google.com/ 05:22:59 Spew result:- 05:23:02 heh! 05:23:06 :-) 05:23:23 * AaronSw spanks spankybot 05:23:24 ow! 05:23:25 Hmm... except it didn't work 05:23:28 lol! 05:23:47 CygBot has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05:24:12 .spam 05:25:24 CygBot (~sbp@m997-mp1-cvx3b.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack 05:25:30 spew:http://www.google.com/ 05:25:30 Spew result:- 05:25:46 bizarre 05:25:54 it's just being polite 05:26:04 it even *says* in the console window that it's sending the text! 05:26:13 heh 05:26:19 * sbp spanks spankybot 05:26:20 spankybot? 05:26:23 * AaronSw coughs 05:26:46 * AaronSw spanks CygBot 05:27:47 e 05:27:48 CygBot has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05:27:52 CygBot (~sbp@m997-mp1-cvx3b.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack 05:27:57 spew:http://www.google.com/ 05:27:58 Spew result:- 05:28:01 Google[IMAGE: 'Google' images/logo.gif] *Web* Images[1] Groups[2] Directory[3] [IMAGE: ''] • A 05:28:20 There. It uses a wonderful little HTML 2 text service that I know about 05:28:26 http://swartzfam.com/aaron/textify.tcl :-) 05:28:35 Heh! 05:28:57 $ python util/browser.py http://aaronsw.com/ 05:29:16 spew:http://aaronsw.com/ 05:29:43 argh, it'll explode at this rate 05:30:04 w00t! my server shipped 05:30:20 CygBot has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05:30:28 bang! 05:30:32 it shipped? great! 05:30:55 this was the problem:- 05:30:56 [[[ 05:30:57 Palmer@Y0R1D9 /home 05:30:57 $ python util/browser.py http://aaronsw.com/ 05:30:57 Getting http://aaronsw.com/... 05:30:57 Code was 302 (http://swartzfam.com/aaron/), continue? [Y/N]: Y 05:30:58 Getting http://swartzfam.com/aaron/... 05:31:00 Got it: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 05:31:02 Aaron Swartz | AaronSw | my.life 05:31:04 < My face reflected in a doorknob.> 05:31:06 ]]] 05:31:16 it doesn't take stdin 05:31:23 ah 05:31:38 I need to fiddle with browser.py then, it seems... 05:31:51 it sure no curl 05:32:00 yeah, sure ain't 05:32:39 CygBot (~sbp@m997-mp1-cvx3b.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack 05:33:42 $ cat util/browser.py | sed "s/x = raw_input()/x = 'y'/" > util/browser.py 05:33:44 > 05:33:55 $ python util/browser.py http://aaronsw.com/ 05:33:56 > 05:34:19 Mmmkay 05:34:21 $ pwd 05:34:22 > /home 05:34:22 > 05:34:39 tav` has quit (forward.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 05:34:52 tav` (tav@host217-34-75-191.in-addr.btopenworld.com) has joined #swhack 05:35:10 Heh, my sed script didn't quite do what I'd intended it to do... 05:35:32 $ wc util/browser.py 05:35:33 > 0 0 0 util/browser.py 05:35:33 > 05:35:52 heh 05:36:01 tav` has quit (Excess Flood) 05:36:02 tav` (tav@host217-34-75-191.in-addr.btopenworld.com) has joined #swhack 05:36:25 $ wc util/browser.py 05:36:27 > 174 730 5974 util/browser.py 05:36:27 > 05:36:39 $ sed "s/x = raw_input()/x = 'y'/" util/browser.py > util/browser.py 05:36:40 > 05:36:44 $ wc util/browser.py 05:36:45 > 0 0 0 util/browser.py 05:36:46 > 05:36:48 argh 05:37:02 tav` has quit (Excess Flood) 05:37:07 Aaron, 'elp! 05:37:27 hmm 05:37:57 oh 05:38:00 it's sed -e "..." 05:38:04 ah, thanks 05:38:17 $ sed -e "s/x = raw_input()/x = 'y'/" util/browser.py > util/browser.py 05:38:18 > 05:38:23 $ wc util/browser.py 05:38:24 > 0 0 0 util/browser.py 05:38:24 > 05:38:27 nope 05:38:56 did you put back the original first? 05:38:58 yep 05:40:21 hmm, dunno then... maybe it's the 's? 05:40:27 ah, the intricacies of sed 05:40:53 what should I change it to? And feel free to run command lines yourself :-) 05:41:12 i dunno, really 05:41:30 i don't use sed that much 05:41:37 * sbp neither 05:42:08 oh, I'll change it by hand. Sorta beats the purpose of having an IRC CygWin shell, doesn't it? 05:42:21 heh 05:43:14 $ cat util/browser.py | grep raw_input() 05:43:15 > Syntax error: "(" unexpected 05:43:15