IRC log of swhack on 2002-01-15

Timestamps are in UTC.

00:00:33 [tav`]
i'm not a vacuum furnace you fuckers!
00:01:53 [tav`]
* tav` stares at AaronSw re: singularity comment
00:02:16 [tav`]
have i not been speaking to you enough?
00:02:36 [AaronSw]
why?
00:02:37 [sbp]
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00:03:06 [tav`]
technology is not a solution by itself
00:03:41 [AaronSw]
hmm, i don't think i've really heard you say that
00:03:56 [tav`]
sure you have
00:04:01 [AaronSw]
although it's plainly true
00:04:19 [tav`]
i recall saying it just under a week ago
00:04:22 [AaronSw]
well, you may have said it but I didn't register that you really believed it.
00:04:25 [tav`]
though that instance might have been to para
00:04:32 [tav`]
but, i say it often enough
00:05:29 [tav`]
anyways, i really hate talking about the singularity
00:05:44 [AaronSw]
why?
00:05:58 [tav`]
last time, ended up with a 3 hour debate with someone
00:06:12 [AaronSw]
imo, it's easier to believe in than your vision
00:06:29 [tav`]
really?
00:06:33 [AaronSw]
yeah
00:06:55 [tav`]
my vision is realistic, it takes into account true social conditions
00:07:25 [AaronSw]
technology getting better and better will have crazy consequences vs. a bunch of people are going to organize the world into a perfect utopia
00:09:57 [tav`]
we should refer to that around 2009 sometime ;p
00:12:03 [AaronSw]
i'm pretty confident that either the singularity will have occurred or the espian vision won't have
00:14:55 [tav`]
so basically saying espian vision won't happen?
00:15:31 [AaronSw]
no
00:15:49 [tav`]
if my logic is right, your statement is only true if the singularity doesn't happen and espian vision does happen
00:15:49 [tav`]
?
00:15:57 [sbp]
S || !EV
00:16:11 [AaronSw]
yeah
00:16:22 [AaronSw]
the opposite is: !S && EV
00:16:27 [AaronSw]
by demorgan's law
00:17:47 [tav`]
.py exec("def pt(s,e):\n\tif s == 1 or e == 0: print 'prediction true\n'")
00:17:49 [xena]
SyntaxError: invalid syntax
00:18:23 [tav`]
hmz
00:18:31 [tav`]
.py exec("def pt(s,e):\n\tif s == 1 or e == 0: print 'prediction true'")
00:18:32 [xena]
SyntaxError: invalid syntax
00:18:35 [tav`]
hmzie
00:18:47 [tav`]
what's wrong there?
00:18:50 [AaronSw]
iow, you get the cash if in 2012 there's no singularity but there is an espian vision
00:19:10 [AaronSw]
i'm just predicting that there will be a singularity before there's an espian vision, really
00:19:51 [tav`]
i reckon the opposite, if that is, a singularity ever occurs
00:20:04 [tav`]
or should that be 'the' ;p
00:20:27 [sbp]
pt(0, 0): true; pt(0, 1): false; pt(1, 0): true; pt(1, 1): true
00:21:02 [tav`]
oooh, cheers sbp
00:21:08 [sbp]
np
00:21:13 [tav`]
so, my logic is right!
00:21:16 [AaronSw]
lol:
00:21:17 [AaronSw]
>Come watch me and my friends experimenting live on webcam...
00:21:17 [AaronSw]
...or see Mr. Connolly experimenting live on IRC...
00:21:17 [AaronSw]
- danja
00:21:25 [AaronSw]
sbp, from who's point of view?
00:21:38 [AaronSw]
mine, i assume
00:21:45 [AaronSw]
i.e. if it's true, i win the bet
00:21:45 [sbp]
I just ran all possible scenarios of tav's program
00:21:49 [AaronSw]
ok
00:21:57 [tav`]
pt = prediction true - for the prediction you made AaronSw
00:22:02 [AaronSw]
ok
00:22:06 [sbp]
I think that false gives the money to tav
00:22:12 [AaronSw]
yep
00:22:12 [tav`]
s = singularity, e = espian vision
00:22:46 [sbp]
the only false is if there is an espian vision, but no singularity => your reasoning was correct
00:23:03 [tav`]
hmz, i may have found another espian! a fairly well talented coder too
00:23:11 [AaronSw]
who's that?
00:23:15 [sbp]
well, a correct expression of your opinion. I'm staying out of the arguement :-)
00:23:22 [sbp]
s/arguement/argument/
00:23:26 [sbp]
who?
00:23:44 [tav`]
thelema
00:24:03 [sbp]
thelema is ~thelema@adsl-65-65-200-131.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net * Edgar Friendly
00:24:22 [AaronSw]
what channel?
00:24:32 [sbp]
lol! I just got the www-talk mail
00:24:42 [sbp]
that's hillarious
00:24:46 [sbp]
no channels listed
00:24:48 [tav`]
freenet'er / mnet'er
00:25:09 [AaronSw]
*** on channels: #freenet
00:26:07 [sbp]
* sbp sends appreciative note to danja
00:26:37 [sbp]
[puzzlement]
00:26:42 [AaronSw]
eh?
00:26:48 [AaronSw]
it's quite a funny message
00:26:49 [sbp]
walking into conversations halfway through is always fun
00:28:29 [tav`]
hmz
00:28:49 [sbp]
meaning of life, tav?
00:31:38 [AaronSw]
anyone have a nice rss viewer for zooko?
00:35:34 [sbp]
with
00:35:48 [sbp]
channels?
00:35:56 [AaronSw]
what?
00:36:09 [AaronSw]
in freenet:
00:36:09 [AaronSw]
<travis> what's FEC?
00:36:09 [AaronSw]
<sbp> I
00:36:09 [AaronSw]
<travis> ah, forward error correction
00:36:09 [AaronSw]
<sbp> of
00:36:11 [AaronSw]
<thelema> orasis: The splitting and FEC is going to have to be over a lot of pieces in freenet.
00:36:13 [sbp]
sorry, must be a bad connection
00:40:56 [AaronSw]
.status
00:40:57 [xena]
server(s):
00:40:58 [xena]
- irc.espnow.com:6667 - #bfn, #esp, #esp-core, #espra, #google, #plex, #xenadev
00:40:59 [xena]
- adams.openprojects.net:6667 - #BRITS, #Brits, #CNN_Newsfeed, #Freenet, #InfoAnarchy, #OPenProjects, #OpenProjects, #Openprojects, #RDFIG, #ZOPE, #Zope, #brits, #erights, #esp, #espra, #freenet, #google, #infoAnarchy, #infoanarchy, #nowplaying, #openProjects, #openprojects, #openspace, #p2p-hackers, #plex, #python#lojban, #rdfig, #sbp, #swhack, #syndic8, #tj, #validator, #world-relations,
00:41:00 [xena]
#xenadev, #zope
00:41:01 [xena]
- irc.w3.org:6665 - #er, #sw, #swad, #swcg
00:41:02 [xena]
module(s):
00:41:04 [xena]
- execute, espra-alert, inet, isotime, seen, dict, esp_chanmon, temperature, autojoin, relay
00:41:04 [xena]
- inet2
00:41:06 [xena]
command triggers: "['.']" - python triggers: "['x', '.py', '.python']"
00:41:08 [xena]
base logfile: "/home/services/bots/xena/creature/creature.log"
00:41:10 [AaronSw]
why does it think its name is dB?
00:41:10 [xena]
started: 2002/01/06 08:25:42 - uptime: 8 day(s) 16 hr(s) 17 min(s) 2 sec(s)
00:41:33 [AaronSw]
I like how it's on #ZOPE, #Zope and #zope
00:42:05 [AaronSw]
i wonder if i should restart it
00:44:39 [AaronSw]
<tav`/#espra> we are an organisation intending to gather a lot of resources in order to fulfil our rather ambitious vision of changing the world on a truly fundamental level
00:50:59 [sbp]
.google beland
00:51:01 [xena]
beland: http://www.fort-smith.net
00:51:17 [AaronSw]
.google mit beland
00:51:20 [xena]
mit beland: http://www.mit.edu/~beland
00:52:10 [sbp]
"""Who am I, anyway? I am a scientist, journalist, activist, politician, hacker, philosopher, engineer. I am a thinker and a busybody; someone who cares, and somebody who does. I absorb, process, and move around information. I log in. Currently an undergraduate at MIT , I plan to graduate in June, 2001, and move to the San Francisco Bay Area after that.""" - http://web.mit.edu/beland/www/beland.html
00:56:26 [AaronSw]
those sound like good google keywords
00:56:30 [AaronSw]
for that script
00:56:46 [AaronSw]
http://dlp.cs.berkeley.edu:8080/cgi-bin/hchen/computesignature.pl
00:57:12 [sbp]
let's try it
00:58:30 [sbp]
heh: ffnsnf unlameness christinadefalco cbeland affweb institvte cerebrate slipstick calpirg cogitate
01:02:06 [AaronSw]
.google ffnsnf unlameness christinadefalco cbeland affweb institvte cerebrate slipstick calpirg cogitate
01:02:08 [xena]
ffnsnf unlameness christinadefalco cbeland affweb institvte cerebrate slipstick calpirg cogitate: http://web.mit.edu/beland/www/beland.html
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today's logs started with: 00:00:33 <tav`> i'm not a vacuum furnace you fuckers!
01:10:44 [sbp]
*** Set by AaronSw on Mon Jan 14 05:24:28
01:10:45 [sbp]
<sbp> heh, heh. AaronSw has an unparalleled intuition
01:10:45 [sbp]
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01:11:15 [AaronSw]
what was set by me?
01:11:33 [sbp]
er... just pasted in a bit more than I should have
01:11:42 [sbp]
[[[
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*** Topic is '<maya> hmz is the meaning of life'
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*** Set by AaronSw on Mon Jan 14 05:24:28
01:11:45 [sbp]
]]]
01:11:55 [AaronSw]
intuition for what?
01:12:03 [sbp]
just intuition
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01:26:45 [sbp]
lol: http://web.mit.edu/beland/www/pics/mitnude.jpg
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02:00:26 [AaronSw]
hey zota
02:00:57 [zota]
hello aaron.
02:01:17 [AaronSw]
another alias for hazmat?
02:07:04 [zota]
indeed.
02:09:18 [AaronSw]
Fascinating: "None of this matters to Steve Jobs. It took me a long time to figure this out, but he is quite content with the status quo. That's because Steve's definition of success is different from Bill's, and from that of most other people in the computer industry. Success to Steve means getting his own way. That's all. Forget about market share. It's all about longevity and personal dominance."
02:09:21 [AaronSw]
- http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/pulpit20020110.html
02:12:55 [AaronSw]
eek! Rael has been downgraded to Researcher
02:13:46 [sbp]
[02:10] <Morbus> hey, is tav in swhack?
02:13:47 [sbp]
[02:10] <sbp> tav`, yes
02:13:47 [sbp]
[02:10] <Morbus> ask him if he reads the logs now that the annoying morbo is gone ;)
02:13:51 [AaronSw]
lol: http://www.geekculture.com/joyoftech/joyarchives/282.html
02:14:10 [sbp]
ooh, tech
02:14:37 [sbp]
heh! I didn't think of it as one of them
02:14:41 [sbp]
a dippy duck
02:14:43 [sbp]
iDippyDuck
02:15:10 [sbp]
heh: http://www.geekculture.com/joyoftech/joyarchives/282poll.html
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[[[
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02:24:27 [sbp]
[02:22] <Morbus> and disobey.com? haven't touched it in forever.
02:24:27 [sbp]
[02:23] <sbp> can I have it?
02:24:27 [sbp]
[02:23] <Morbus> have what? disobey.com?
02:24:27 [sbp]
[02:23] <sbp> yeah
02:24:27 [sbp]
[02:23] <Morbus> no, you can't have disobey.com
02:24:28 [sbp]
]]]
02:24:46 [AaronSw]
aww
02:25:03 [sbp]
I know. I was like, "aw, please?"
02:25:05 [zota]
interesting... but that does not mean the end goals don't achieve the same effect if left unrestrained, the real difference is the means they will use to achieve their ends.
02:25:19 [zota]
hey tav' did you get my email with the lucenexml demo?
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02:28:20 [tav`]
nope
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02:29:21 [zota]
tav`: ughh.. it was sitting in my outbox, its sent now.
02:30:06 [AaronSw]
man, the newton really did rock
02:30:23 [AaronSw]
i wonder where mine went... oh, maybe i dropped it
02:30:27 [zota]
* zota drools over the sharp zaraus
02:30:33 [AaronSw]
http://www.macrumors.com/forums/showthread.php3?s=3be9d81c5fde31ba99ee415e92cd8ff6&threadid=1057
02:30:37 [AaronSw]
^ newton vids
02:30:49 [zota]
their giving away 60 to anyone who passes the first round of the trolltech/sharp contest.
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02:44:09 [AaronSw]
@ http://www.hubbe.net/~hubbe/x2vnc.html
02:44:14 [chumpster]
A: x2vnc 1.31 from AaronSw
02:46:17 [AaronSw]
A::"This program will let you use two screens on two different computers as if they were connected to the same computer. Even if one of the computers runs Windows 95/98/NT and the other one runs X-windows."
02:46:18 [chumpster]
commented item A
03:16:53 [AaronSw]
OK, tomorrow will be an IRC/Email/RadioUserLand-free day for me.
03:18:39 [AaronSw]
I hope you understand these drastic productivity enhancing measures.
03:19:45 [AaronSw]
AaronSw has changed the topic to: What is mind? No matter. What is matter? Never mind.
03:23:36 [sbp]
lol
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04:15:08 [AaronSw]
.rot13 while 1: print 'hi there'
04:15:09 [xena]
juvyr 1: cevag 'uv gurer'
04:53:43 [AaronSw]
hmm, i thought i pointed tav to zentv a while ago
05:05:00 [AaronSw]
Pat Hayes: "Allowing reification into the formalism is like dancing on the edge of a cliff, BTW."
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05:10:14 [AaronSw]
$ echo "hello, #swhack"
05:10:15 [sbp]
there - that's better
05:10:33 [AaronSw]
$ ls
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05:11:48 [sbp]
$ echo "hello, #swhack"
05:11:49 [CygBot]
> hello, #swhack
05:11:50 [CygBot]
>
05:11:52 [AaronSw]
$ ls
05:12:01 [CygBot]
> 0.95-schema.html
05:12:02 [CygBot]
> 0.95-sopjgj.n3.text
05:12:03 [CygBot]
> 0.95-think.n3
05:12:04 [CygBot]
> 0.95.html
05:12:05 [CygBot]
> 0.95.n3
05:12:06 [CygBot]
> 2000
05:12:07 [CygBot]
> 2001-12-31.txt
05:12:08 [CygBot]
> 20020112-141032.bash_history
05:12:09 [CygBot]
> 20020112-184806.sha
05:12:10 [CygBot]
> 4a59e80b6a5bfb4c8d8a592086a290b347c5d2b62418abe878cfa8037063ca268edeadd184bc3d54bf683584f294caf7a3109c90458b45f93d25587618070fa1
05:12:12 [CygBot]
> ATCS2.html
05:12:14 [CygBot]
> ATCS2.txt
05:12:16 [CygBot]
> Copy of 20020109-223625.sh
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> Copy of 20020109-223634.sh
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> Copy of 20020109-223647.sh
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> Copy of SimpleText.py
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> Copy of rdfstoxhtml.n3
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> Copy of simpsons.py
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> [...]
05:12:45 [sbp]
:-)
05:13:08 [sbp]
$ cat 4a59e80b6a5bfb4c8d8a592086a290b347c5d2b62418abe878cfa8037063ca268edeadd184bc3d54bf683584f294caf7a3109c90458b45f93d25587618070fa1
05:13:20 [CygBot]
> blargh
05:13:30 [AaronSw]
huh?
05:13:34 [AaronSw]
oh
05:13:35 [AaronSw]
heh
05:13:54 [AaronSw]
$ ls *semanticweb*
05:14:07 [CygBot]
> ls: *semanticweb*: No such file or directory
05:14:07 [CygBot]
>
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05:15:03 [sbp]
oh crap, pushed a wrong button :-)
05:15:22 [sbp]
actually, I was trying to copy something from the console window, and of course, ctrl-c exits the program...
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05:15:54 [sbp]
$ python util/simpsons.py
05:16:05 [CygBot]
> The Simpsons are not on today on BBC2
05:16:05 [CygBot]
> The Simpsons are on today on Sky One at 19:00 19:30
05:16:05 [CygBot]
>
05:16:44 [sbp]
I just had to make a program for that :-)
05:16:54 [AaronSw]
$ cat util/simpsons.py
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Command "cat util/simpsons.py" has been disabled
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$ wc util/simpsons.py
05:17:52 [CygBot]
> 19 92 753 util/simpsons.py
05:17:52 [CygBot]
>
05:17:57 [sbp]
not a big script
05:18:12 [sbp]
CygBot will print out 20 lines, I think
05:18:25 [sbp]
up to 20 lines, that is
05:18:41 [CygBot]
> /home
05:18:41 [AaronSw]
cool
05:18:41 [CygBot]
>
05:19:01 [sbp]
Hmm... sending it a PRIVMSG makes it come through on here. I'd better fix that :-)
05:19:52 [sbp]
$ ls c:/WINDOWS/Desktop/*.html
05:19:53 [CygBot]
> c:/WINDOWS/Desktop/index.html
05:19:53 [CygBot]
>
05:20:07 [sbp]
cool. CygWin can access the rest of the HD too
05:21:20 [AaronSw]
hmm: http://www.ircle.com/colorfaq.shtml
05:22:25 [sbp]
* sbp wonders if he should run "$ cat c*bot.py | grep Aaron" - what secrets will it divulge?
05:22:35 [AaronSw]
hmm
05:22:46 [sbp]
$ cat c*bot.py | grep Aaron
05:22:47 [CygBot]
> except: f = "URI unobtainable (thanks to AaronSw for pointing out the bug)"
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>
05:22:58 [AaronSw]
spew:http://www.google.com/
05:22:59 [CygBot]
Spew result:-
05:23:02 [AaronSw]
heh!
05:23:06 [sbp]
:-)
05:23:23 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw spanks spankybot
05:23:24 [CygBot]
ow!
05:23:25 [sbp]
Hmm... except it didn't work
05:23:28 [sbp]
lol!
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05:24:12 [AaronSw]
.spam
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spew:http://www.google.com/
05:25:30 [CygBot]
Spew result:-
05:25:46 [sbp]
bizarre
05:25:54 [AaronSw]
it's just being polite
05:26:04 [sbp]
it even *says* in the console window that it's sending the text!
05:26:13 [AaronSw]
heh
05:26:19 [sbp]
* sbp spanks spankybot
05:26:20 [CygBot]
spankybot?
05:26:23 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw coughs
05:26:46 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw spanks CygBot
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e
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05:27:57 [sbp]
spew:http://www.google.com/
05:27:58 [CygBot]
Spew result:-
05:28:01 [CygBot]
Google[IMAGE: 'Google' images/logo.gif] *Web* Images[1] Groups[2] Directory[3] [IMAGE: ''] &#149; A
05:28:20 [sbp]
There. It uses a wonderful little HTML 2 text service that I know about
05:28:26 [sbp]
http://swartzfam.com/aaron/textify.tcl :-)
05:28:35 [AaronSw]
Heh!
05:28:57 [sbp]
$ python util/browser.py http://aaronsw.com/
05:29:16 [AaronSw]
spew:http://aaronsw.com/
05:29:43 [sbp]
argh, it'll explode at this rate
05:30:04 [AaronSw]
w00t! my server shipped
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05:30:28 [sbp]
bang!
05:30:32 [sbp]
it shipped? great!
05:30:55 [sbp]
this was the problem:-
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[[[
05:30:57 [sbp]
Palmer@Y0R1D9 /home
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$ python util/browser.py http://aaronsw.com/
05:30:57 [sbp]
Getting http://aaronsw.com/...
05:30:57 [sbp]
Code was 302 (http://swartzfam.com/aaron/), continue? [Y/N]: Y
05:30:58 [sbp]
Getting http://swartzfam.com/aaron/...
05:31:00 [sbp]
Got it: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1
05:31:02 [sbp]
Aaron Swartz | AaronSw | my.life
05:31:04 [sbp]
<<doorknob.jpg> My face reflected in a doorknob.>
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]]]
05:31:16 [sbp]
it doesn't take stdin
05:31:23 [AaronSw]
ah
05:31:38 [sbp]
I need to fiddle with browser.py then, it seems...
05:31:51 [AaronSw]
it sure no curl
05:32:00 [sbp]
yeah, sure ain't
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$ cat util/browser.py | sed "s/x = raw_input()/x = 'y'/" > util/browser.py
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>
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$ python util/browser.py http://aaronsw.com/
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>
05:34:19 [sbp]
Mmmkay
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$ pwd
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> /home
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>
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05:35:10 [sbp]
Heh, my sed script didn't quite do what I'd intended it to do...
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$ wc util/browser.py
05:35:33 [CygBot]
> 0 0 0 util/browser.py
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>
05:35:52 [AaronSw]
heh
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$ wc util/browser.py
05:36:27 [CygBot]
> 174 730 5974 util/browser.py
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>
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$ sed "s/x = raw_input()/x = 'y'/" util/browser.py > util/browser.py
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>
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$ wc util/browser.py
05:36:45 [CygBot]
> 0 0 0 util/browser.py
05:36:46 [CygBot]
>
05:36:48 [sbp]
argh
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05:37:07 [sbp]
Aaron, 'elp!
05:37:27 [AaronSw]
hmm
05:37:57 [AaronSw]
oh
05:38:00 [AaronSw]
it's sed -e "..."
05:38:04 [sbp]
ah, thanks
05:38:17 [sbp]
$ sed -e "s/x = raw_input()/x = 'y'/" util/browser.py > util/browser.py
05:38:18 [CygBot]
>
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$ wc util/browser.py
05:38:24 [CygBot]
> 0 0 0 util/browser.py
05:38:24 [CygBot]
>
05:38:27 [sbp]
nope
05:38:56 [AaronSw]
did you put back the original first?
05:38:58 [sbp]
yep
05:40:21 [AaronSw]
hmm, dunno then... maybe it's the 's?
05:40:27 [sbp]
ah, the intricacies of sed
05:40:53 [sbp]
what should I change it to? And feel free to run command lines yourself :-)
05:41:12 [AaronSw]
i dunno, really
05:41:30 [AaronSw]
i don't use sed that much
05:41:37 [sbp]
* sbp neither
05:42:08 [sbp]
oh, I'll change it by hand. Sorta beats the purpose of having an IRC CygWin shell, doesn't it?
05:42:21 [AaronSw]
heh
05:43:14 [sbp]
$ cat util/browser.py | grep raw_input()
05:43:15 [CygBot]
> Syntax error: "(" unexpected
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>
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$ cat util/browser.py | grep "raw_input()"
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> x = 'y' # raw_input()
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> geturi(raw_input())
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>
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$ python util/browser.py http://aaronsw.com/
05:43:45 [CygBot]
> Code was 302 (http://swartzfam.com/aaron/), continue? [Y/N]: Getting http://swartzfam.com/aaron/...
05:43:46 [CygBot]
> Got it: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1
05:43:47 [CygBot]
> Aaron Swartz | AaronSw | my.life
05:43:48 [CygBot]
> <<doorknob.jpg> My face reflected in a doorknob.>
05:43:49 [CygBot]
> @ my.life: the wacky story of aaron swartz
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>
05:43:51 [CygBot]
> Nearby: <<http://swartzfam.com/> swartzfam.com> |
05:43:52 [CygBot]
> <<http://crit.org/http://swartzfam.com/aaron/> crit this page> |
05:43:53 [CygBot]
> <<http://www.google.com/search?q=link%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fswartzfam.com%2Faaron%2F>
05:43:54 [CygBot]
> google backlinks>
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>
05:43:58 [CygBot]
> If this page seems devoid of color and excitement, you need a browser that
05:43:59 [CygBot]
> supports <<http://www.w3.org/Style/CSS/> CSS>. Please
05:44:01 [CygBot]
> <<http://www.webstandards.org/upgrade/> upgrade your browser>.
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>
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>
05:44:07 [CygBot]
>
05:44:09 [CygBot]
> @ Prose
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> [...]
05:44:18 [sbp]
Pff, upgrade my browser, upgrade my browser???
05:44:25 [AaronSw]
yeah
05:44:52 [sbp]
from browser.py? How would one *up*grade browser.py? It's the pinnacle of browser design!
05:45:06 [AaronSw]
heh
05:45:14 [sbp]
I mean, marvel at the funkiness of those links. Marvel!
05:45:49 [sbp]
ooh, you're sending it as iso-xxx? Does it have a PI?
05:46:03 [sbp]
$ python util/browser.py http://aaronsw.com/ -text | grep "<?xml"
05:46:10 [CygBot]
> Getting http://aaronsw.com/...
05:46:10 [CygBot]
> Code was 302 (http://swartzfam.com/aaron/), continue? [Y/N]: Getting http://swartzfam.com/aaron/...
05:46:10 [CygBot]
> Got it: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1
05:46:10 [CygBot]
>
05:46:27 [sbp]
[puzzlement]
05:46:54 [AaronSw]
hmm
05:47:16 [sbp]
$ lynx http://aaronsw.com/ -dump -source | grep "<?xml"
05:47:22 [CygBot]
>
05:47:35 [sbp]
ah, perhaps it always prints STDERR
05:47:39 [AaronSw]
makes sense
05:48:05 [sbp]
You should have an XML PI if being sent as anything other than UTF-8
05:48:10 [sbp]
assuming that it's XHTML
05:48:23 [AaronSw]
yeah, can't really ssh into server right now, tho
05:48:43 [sbp]
$ lynx http://aaronsw.com/ -dump -source | grep "DOCTYPE"
05:48:49 [CygBot]
> <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN"
05:48:49 [CygBot]
>
05:49:03 [sbp]
now *that's* service :-)
05:49:12 [sbp]
Mmmkay, now, as for bot rules...
05:49:45 [sbp]
I guess I shouldn't really bring it in here? I mean, it's annoying for you folks (unless you want to use it), and it's bound to be insecure somewhere
05:50:10 [AaronSw]
it's your channel as much as anyone else's
05:50:34 [sbp]
no, no, if I'm being a nuisance, then I want to stop it
05:50:57 [sbp]
but it is nice not having to change windows :-)
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.google "ducks at balloons"
06:01:07 [xena]
"ducks at balloons": http://www.fireball.com
06:01:35 [AaronSw]
Ah, Philip is so funny.
06:01:53 [sbp]
His name is Paul
06:02:04 [sbp]
.google "ducks at balloons" site:snpp.com
06:02:05 [xena]
"ducks at balloons" site:snpp.com: http://www.snpp.com/episodes/5F08
06:02:13 [AaronSw]
no. i meant philip
06:02:18 [sbp]
$ lynx http://www.snpp.com/episodes/5F08">http://www.snpp.com/episodes/5F08 -dump | grep "ducks"; lynx http://www.snpp.com/episodes/5F08 -dump | grep "balloons"
06:02:23 [sbp]
who's Philip?
06:02:29 [CygBot`]
> Homer: Yeah. We should start our own game, where people throw ducks
06:02:30 [CygBot`]
> at balloons and nothing's the way it seems.
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>
06:02:48 [sbp]
there! it has utility... to get me Simpsons quotes
06:03:11 [AaronSw]
Philip Greenspun.
06:03:11 [sbp]
* sbp wonders how to do "or" in a grep RegExp
06:03:19 [sbp]
ah, right. That Philip
06:03:54 [AaronSw]
grep (foo|bar)
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$ lynx http://www.snpp.com/episodes/5F08 -dump | grep "ducks\|baloons"
06:05:16 [CygBot`]
> Homer: Yeah. We should start our own game, where people throw ducks
06:05:16 [CygBot`]
>
06:05:43 [sbp]
Pff, advice from http://www.pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/unix/grep.html failed
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sbp: -A 2 to print the match and two lines after
06:06:13 [sbp]
ah! excellent idea
06:06:16 [deltab]
sbp: you misspelt 'balloons'! :-P
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Argh!
06:07:10 [sbp]
$ lynx http://www.snpp.com/episodes/5F08">http://www.snpp.com/episodes/5F08 -dump | grep "ducks\|balloons"; echo ''; lynx http://www.snpp.com/episodes/5F08 -dump | grep "ducks" -A 2
06:07:22 [CygBot`]
> Homer: Yeah. We should start our own game, where people throw ducks
06:07:23 [CygBot`]
> at balloons and nothing's the way it seems.
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>
06:07:25 [CygBot`]
> Homer: Yeah. We should start our own game, where people throw ducks
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> at balloons and nothing's the way it seems.
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> -- An upcoming episode? "Bart Carny"
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>
06:07:41 [sbp]
heh, that would have made a good spin-off episode
06:09:00 [sbp]
Wow, why does this server take so long to time people out?
06:09:46 [AaronSw]
Because it loves you.
06:10:08 [CygBot`]
> Yeah, it sure does
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>
06:10:25 [AaronSw]
--
06:10:27 [AaronSw]
(While I was doing this, a neighbor walked up, and I just want to
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say that if you think it's easy to explain why you're squatting in
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your driveway, in front of a set of burning underwear, surrounded by
06:10:28 [AaronSw]
hair spray bottles, holding a Barbie doll in your hand, then you are
06:10:28 [AaronSw]
mistaken.)
06:10:31 [AaronSw]
- http://philip.greenspun.com/humor/rollerblade-barbie.text
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--
06:10:35 [sbp]
Should I strip that trailing line?
06:10:40 [AaronSw]
no
06:10:48 [AaronSw]
perhaps make it [end] or something
06:11:02 [sbp]
good idea
06:17:01 [sbp]
heh:-
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$ lynx http://philip.greenspun.com/humor/rollerblade-barbie.text -dump -source | grep "My son" -A 1
06:17:06 [CygBot`]
> The problem was that I did not have a Rollerblade Barbie. My son
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> happens to be a boy, and we never went through the Barbie phase. We
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>
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06:17:50 [deltab]
$ which GET
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> GET: Command not found.
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>
06:20:47 [sbp]
That PG article is hillarious
06:21:03 [sbp]
which GET?
06:21:07 [AaronSw]
yeah, the hominid barby one is pretty funny too
06:21:12 [AaronSw]
http://philip.greenspun.com/humor/hominid-barbie.text
06:22:18 [AaronSw]
alright, i better go to sleep
06:22:45 [CygBot`]
> Fine, be that way
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>
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e
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06:23:36 [sbp]
c'ya Aaron
06:23:57 [AaronSw]
When it gets dark I tow your heart away
06:24:40 [AaronSw]
we'll see how long i last tomorrow without irc
06:24:49 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw places irc icon in trash to hide it from himself
06:24:51 [AaronSw]
nite
06:25:07 [sbp]
Standing by a parking meter, when I caught a glimpse of Rita, filling in a ticket in her little white book. In her cap, she looked much older
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and the bad across her shoulder, made her look a little like a millitary man
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[wah, wah, wah, wah]
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Lovely rita meter maid, etc.
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'night
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s/bad/bag/
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Gotta run
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heh! on www-html:-
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[[[
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I would like to Subscribe.
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]]]
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* kmacleod waves
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Hi there Ken
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no one about today - just me - I'm afraid
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so you'll have to put up with my rants
16:23:38 [kmacleod]
hehe, what are you ranting on today?
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gone!
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Just watching the sunset
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are you using Radio?
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Nope. I want a mug
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heh
16:26:19 [sbp]
HTP seems to be down...
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ah, it's up again
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I was curious if it, or Frontier, still needs to run all the time in the foreground, or if one can log off and let it run as a daemon.
16:27:34 [sbp]
I would presume that you don't have to have it running all of the time...
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* sbp waves to CygBot
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$ u timenow
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> 20020115-163157
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>
16:31:51 [sbp]
ah, gotta replace the trailing whitespace with "[end]"
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gotta run, ttyl
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$ u pwd
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> /home/util/pwd.*: not found
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> [end]
16:33:47 [sbp]
argh
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$ pwd
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> /home
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> [end]
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$ cat u
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> cat: u: No such file or directory
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> [end]
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$ cat /usr/bin/u
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> #!/usr/bin/sh
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> /home/util/${1}.* $2 $3 $4 $5 $6 $7 $8 $9 $10 $11 $12 $13 $14 $15 $16 $17
16:34:42 [sbp]
that's my terrible little hack... anyone know of a better way?
16:36:49 [sbp]
* sbp tries
16:36:50 [sbp]
http://www.gnu.org/manual/bash/html_mono/bashref.html
16:45:33 [deus_x]
You know, I feel dumb, but only yesterday did I realize this channel has a weblogging bot.
16:45:56 [sbp]
wow. We should really put it in the channel notice
16:46:21 [deus_x]
I just wandered into this channel because Morbus invited me re: AmphetaDesk talk :)
16:47:23 [sbp]
heh, and you've been in here for all this time? Do we excite you?
16:48:00 [deus_x]
Well, there are interesting things here sometimes, so I stuck around :)
16:48:27 [deus_x]
People probably wonder who the heck this guy is, just sitting around in the channe;
16:48:50 [sbp]
yep :-)
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feel free to join in more often!
16:51:31 [sbp]
argh, this script is so annyoing. Somehow, I need to chop $1 off of $*
16:51:51 [deltab]
shift
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.google bash shift
16:54:10 [xena]
bash shift: http://www.geocrawler.com/archives/3/342/2000/6/0/3883558
16:54:38 [sbp]
ah, thanks deltab
16:59:01 [sbp]
$ cat /usr/bin/u
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> #!/usr/bin/sh
16:59:03 [CygBot]
> ONE=$1; shift 1; /home/util/${ONE}.* $*
17:00:08 [sbp]
* sbp plays "My Sweet Lord"
17:00:15 [deltab]
you could use just /home/util/$*
17:00:43 [deltab]
couldn't you?
17:00:48 [sbp]
Hmm...
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$ util/timenow
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> util/timenow: not found
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> [end]
17:01:19 [sbp]
nope
17:03:42 [deltab]
huh?
17:04:35 [sbp]
well, I could do, but then I'd have to run stuff like u timenow.py; I want to be able to hack the file extension off, and assume that there will only ever be one script of that name in the util dir at any one time
17:04:51 [sbp]
I'm lazy - three characters... too much :-)
17:07:23 [sbp]
then again, I get .pyc files in the dir...
17:07:33 [sbp]
$ ls util
17:07:35 [CygBot]
> archive.py
17:07:35 [CygBot]
> browser.py
17:07:37 [CygBot]
> browser20020115-054322.py
17:07:38 [CygBot]
> httpuris.py
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> simpsons.py
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> timenow.py
17:07:41 [CygBot]
> timenow.pyc
17:07:42 [CygBot]
> [end]
17:08:03 [deltab]
why not just add it to your path?
17:08:20 [deltab]
then you could tab-complete
17:08:23 [sbp]
Hmm... that's a good idea
17:08:38 [deltab]
sim<tab><enter>
17:16:39 [sbp]
.google site:lists.w3.org www-rdf-logic Sandro database "what is RDF"
17:16:40 [xena]
no results found.
17:16:50 [sbp]
.google site:lists.w3.org Sandro database "what is RDF?"
17:16:51 [xena]
no results found.
17:16:55 [sbp]
Hmph
17:17:27 [sbp]
Perhaps it was rcent
17:17:34 [sbp]
s/rcent/recent/
17:18:31 [sbp]
aha: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-rdf-interest/2002Jan/0005
17:20:23 [deus_x]
Gah, I wish OS X would stop eating my mouse accel and then segfaulting on everything started on login
17:30:43 [sbp]
Pat Hayes: """The SW can't depend on people making telephone calls to find out how to interpret the RDF on web pages."""
17:42:12 [sbp]
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18:13:55 [sbp]
argh, when doing comparisons of objects using ==, it tests by object, not by string
18:14:02 [sbp]
what's the point of having "is", eh?
18:14:25 [deltab]
depends on the object
18:15:11 [sbp]
I have a class whose __repr__ returns a string, and I want it to test those strings rather than the objects
18:15:32 [sbp]
in fact, __repr__ just returns self.r, which is a string, so I could test a.r == a.b
18:15:38 [sbp]
er... a.r == b.r
18:20:01 [sbp]
I could intern the objects, I suppose, but I didn't really wanttahaveta
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22:44:55 [zota]
is there a transactional mail product for zope?
22:45:15 [zota]
wrong channel sorry.
23:39:42 [sbp]
np
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