00:00:31 wasn't a troll, btw 00:40:24 sbp (sean@m63-mp1-cvx4c.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack 00:40:32 * AaronSw is away: dinner 00:43:58 * sbp gets the hang BersIRC 00:44:04 Hmm... can't get the font right 00:44:41 oh well, close enough 00:44:53 where's this all about? 00:44:56 [[[ 00:44:56 06:07:11 ooh! about a minute to go on BeOS 00:44:56 06:07:56 http:HTTP/1.0 503 Service Unavailable 00:44:56 MIME-Version: 1.0 00:44:56 Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 00:09:20 GMT 00:44:57 Server: AOLserver/3.3 00:45:05 ]]] - http://blogspace.com/swhack/chatlogs/2002-01-13.txt 00:49:14 well, it fixed itself 00:49:14 * sbp reviews 00:50:47 woo @ "Aaron Swartz: Secret Agent\nWhere people throw ducks at balloons, and nothing's the way that it seems" 00:51:24 [cite: http://radio.weblogs.com/0100663/] 00:51:33 but whatever happened to the #swhack Weblog? 00:54:03 "The Google Effect" is rather interesting 00:54:38 [cite: http://blogspace.com/swhack/weblog/2002/01/13/#i1010962036.491212] 00:54:40 Gotta run 00:54:44 sbp has quit ("Homer: Twenty dollars? I wanted a peanut!") 00:58:20 sbp (~sean@m204-mp1-cvx4c.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack 00:59:55 aah, that's better 01:00:37 heh, proof that Aaron's avoiding me:- 01:00:38 [[[ 01:00:38 19:00:05 sbp (~sean@m26-mp1-cvx4c.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack 01:00:39 19:07:12 * AaronSw is away: lunch 01:00:40 [...] 01:02:59 [ooh, I love Aaron's server. No really - I do.] 01:05:05 and... 01:05:06 -- 01:05:06 * sbp (sean@m63-mp1-cvx4c.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack 01:05:07 * AaronSw is away: dinner 01:05:08 -- 01:05:14 00:40:24 sbp (sean@m63-mp1-cvx4c.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack 01:05:14 00:40:32 * AaronSw is away: dinner 01:05:22 ]]] - http://blogspace.com/swhack/chatlogs/2002-01-13.txt & http://blogspace.com/swhack/chatlogs/2002-01-14.txt 01:05:26 cheers, tav 01:05:57 wow, that's the longest I've had to wait so far for blogspace.com 01:06:08 in the end, browser.py won :-) 01:15:43 but whatever happened to the #swhack Weblog? 01:16:03 isn't it alright? 01:16:31 you know what I meant :-) 01:16:55 no i don't 01:17:38 well as long as we're in the same boat 01:17:55 Heh: "Did you know an iPod bounces when you drop it? Mine does-- and it still works fine." - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=26157&cid=2833573 01:18:00 want to play the questions game? 01:18:01 heh, heh 01:18:12 why would I want to play the questions game? 01:18:18 why not? 01:18:35 because it sucks 01:18:39 timeout. 01:18:45 statement, one-love. 01:19:06 wow, I can't believe it's taken me this long to drive you nuts 01:19:18 statement, two-love. 01:20:26 blogspace.com: giving a whole new meaning to the word "instant" 01:20:42 statement, three-love 01:20:54 Hmm... you forgot the full stop that time 01:21:00 game and match. 01:21:20 It's game, *set*, and match. Dear oh dear 01:21:45 nope, it's game and match. i checked. 01:21:51 are you feeling O.K., A? 01:22:00 Does it seem like i'm not? 01:22:18 why are you answering my questions with a question? 01:22:24 why shouldn't i? 01:22:44 I don't know... er... do I? 01:23:22 do you know much? 01:23:28 so anyway, is there any way to speed up your server? Let me rephrase that: please speed up your server 01:23:42 why don't you kill off all the RSS users? 01:24:05 [seems perfectly fast to me] 01:24:36 it took 5 minutes for it to serve a page 01:24:39 *5* 01:24:55 maybe it doesn't like you 01:25:06 it doesn't like xena either, in that case 01:25:09 I tried .URI 01:25:20 and I used browser.py - which got it (eventually) 01:25:46 i guess i should fix the problem, shouldn't i? 01:26:12 Uh huh :-) 01:28:07 hmm, how to do that without breaking links... 01:32:50 so, is Radio better than Blogspace? 01:32:57 it's completely different 01:34:03 Yeah, but they're both "post junk to Web" applications 01:34:16 so is amaya 01:34:20 I suppose that Radio is aimed at people who don't have good Webspace 01:34:38 no, i don't think so 01:34:57 Who do you see the target audience as, then? 01:35:40 news junkies 01:36:21 but I could have an Amaya window open on some PUT handling webspace... same effect? What's the difference? 01:37:00 umm... amaya doesn't do news aggregation 01:37:16 i don't see how it compares. 01:37:35 (PUT handling, e.g.: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2001Dec/att-0163/02-put.py) 01:38:43 sbp has quit (Killed (NickServ (Ghost: SeanP!~sean@m827-mp1-cvx3b.pop.ntl.com))) 01:39:02 sbp (~sean@m827-mp1-cvx3b.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack 01:39:57 ah, right 01:41:02 what system is that put handler for? 01:41:43 I presume it will work on any. Tested on WinMe/Apache 01:42:38 it was a very quick hack just to test QuickPut - it should have more stuff added to it 01:42:38 but it works [change the shebang line] 01:44:24 * sbp was rather pleased with QuickPut 01:46:19 QuickPut is your Python PUT tool? 01:46:32 yep - http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2001Dec/att-0163/01-QuickPut.py 01:53:21 ooh, funky: http://www.lemburg.com/files/python/mxTidy.html 01:53:34 cool 01:54:34 Hmm... I always get confused by download options lately - I have Python 2.2 under CygWin and 2.1/2.2 under Windows... 02:22:10 Function definition: "Raise an exception. If you use this I will kill you." 02:59:20 ugh:- 02:59:20 >>> import threading 02:59:20 Traceback (most recent call last): 02:59:21 File "", line 1, in ? 02:59:21 File "/usr/lib/python2.2/threading.py", line 5, in ? 02:59:21 import thread 02:59:21 ImportError: No module named thread 03:02:46 Heh. 03:03:02 watch the memes flow: http://radio.weblogs.com/0001189/2002/01/13.html#a120 03:03:30 heh, heh, heh 03:14:24 interesting article: http://www.labournet.net/other/0011/benn.html 03:15:00 http://www.labournet.net/other/0011/benn.html 03:15:05 um... 03:15:06 @ http://www.labournet.net/other/0011/benn.html 03:15:06 He sounds cool. 03:15:27 A: http://www.labournet.net/other/0011/benn.html from sbp 03:15:33 Uh oh: "500 Server Error CanÕt evaluate the expression because the name ÒtemplateÓ hasnÕt been defined." 03:15:48 A:|An Interview With Tony Benn 03:15:49 titled item A 03:16:08 A::Tony Benn sounds cool. 03:16:09 commented item A 03:16:33 A::This interview is about numerous things, but generally globalization - and how it's a new form of imperialism in Benn's opinion 03:16:34 commented item A 03:16:56 A::"""I'm interested in language. We used to call it the War Office. Then it became the Ministry of Defence. We used to talk about the hydrogen bomb, now we talk about a deterrent. And the language is very cleverly constructed to give the impression that it's not what it is. Humanitarian Intervention. World Peace.""" 03:16:57 commented item A 03:17:36 A::Sounds like [Chomsky|http://www.zmag.org/chomsky/index.cfm]. 03:17:37 commented item A 03:18:44 .acronym nntr 03:18:45 nntr: No Need To Reply, Nothing New to Report 03:18:49 .acronym eom 03:18:51 eom: End Of Message, End Of Month, Earl of March (secondary school), Echelons of Maintenance (USMC logistics), Electro-Optic Modulator, End of Matter, End Of Memory, End of Mission, End of Module, Enlisted Open Mess, Equations Of Motion, Every Other Monday, Every Other Month, Execution Ordering Method, Extra-Ocular Movement (medical), Extra-Ocular Muscle (medical) 03:22:01 Oooh. I think I may be on the verge of fixing The RSS Problem that makes the server so slow. 03:23:37 A::Chomsky is mentioned a couple of times in the interview 03:23:39 commented item A 03:23:44 hey, great! 03:24:34 Can you hammer on http://rss.blogspace.com/ for me? make sure everything works 03:25:26 seems fine 03:25:40 robotWisdom is slow 03:25:52 yeah. i guess it's because it's such a big page 03:26:13 why don't you use checklinks? 03:26:20 checklinks? 03:26:24 oh 03:26:32 here: http://validator.w3.org/checklink?url=http://rss.blogspace.com/ 03:26:42 yeah, that's not going to help me, tho 03:27:31 A::[on people moving right as they get older] """take the four members of the SDP - Jenkins, Owen, Williams and Rogers - they all became members of the House of Lords. I mean, that really is something isn't it?""" 03:27:32 commented item A 03:28:50 alright, here we go... 03:29:38 seems to be working 03:30:15 odd: radio us running, but it's not in my dock 03:31:38 hmz 03:31:46 heh, this applies to lots of things: """When somebody comes up with a progressive idea, to begin with, you're mad, bonkers. Then if you go on, you're dangerous. Then there's a pause. Then you can't find anyone who can say they thought of it in the first place. That's how progress is made.""" 03:31:47 rss and blogspace are the same machine 03:31:54 how does it minimise load? 03:32:06 [[[ 03:32:06 http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/campfront.htm 03:32:06 What to do: The link is forbidden! This needs fixing. Usual suspects: a missing index.html or Overview.html, or a missing ACL. 03:32:11 ]]] - checklink 03:32:15 the rss server won'y crash the blogspace server. 03:32:20 err won't 03:32:33 ah, moving it to vorpal? 03:32:54 not yet... but this is the first step towards doing that 03:33:16 basically rss.blogspace.com and blogspace.com are now two completely separate server processes on the machine 03:33:19 has vorpal arrived yet? 03:33:26 no... stupid dell takes forever. 03:33:29 ah 03:33:31 hmz 03:33:37 that reminds me, i ordered a dell 03:33:48 they don't actually build your machine until 3 weeks after you order. ;-) 03:34:03 got the dell check status link for me? 03:34:20 for your server? 03:34:36 no, this one's just a workstation 03:34:54 although it cost a tad more than vorpal 03:34:59 heh! 03:35:09 order status: http://support.dell.com/us/en/dellcare/segtopic_ccare_nav_002_ccare.asp 03:35:22 thanks 03:35:29 did they send you an email after you bought it? 03:35:33 two 03:35:36 hmz 03:35:42 straight away? 03:35:58 yeah... maybe 10-15 minutes delay 03:36:13 hmz 03:38:27 sbp has quit (Killed (NickServ (Ghost: SeanP!~sean@m137-mp1-cvx5a.pop.ntl.com))) 03:38:46 sbp (~sean@m137-mp1-cvx5a.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack 03:39:16 .change 1180 gbp to usd 03:39:18 1,180.00 (United Kingdom Pounds (GBP)) makes 1,710.01 (United States Dollars (USD)) 03:39:28 a grand more than vorpal 03:40:51 You have been issued with Internet Receipt Number IR1726-1114460 03:40:57 that's the only bit of data i have 03:41:03 hmm 03:41:08 why's it so expensive? 03:41:36 it has a monitor ;p 03:41:43 aha 03:42:05 i found that dell RAM was a real ripoff, so i bought from crucial.com instead 03:42:10 a modem, and other such useless shit 03:42:19 ms windows? 03:42:25 oh, yea 03:42:27 probably another $500 03:42:36 that wasn't optional 03:42:48 heh, you can auction it on that linuxjournal site 03:42:49 heh, a lot of the crap wasn't optional 03:43:16 it's not for me, i bought it for a friend 03:43:23 aha 03:43:52 but he hasn't said anything about it 03:44:00 and i haven't got any emails 03:45:06 lol. Dave Winer: "Life is good. Aaron Swartz has discovered Jeremiah Rogers. Two prodigies, both in their teens. Both off-the-scale smart. The Bill Gates of 2010 meets his Paul Allen. Which is which?" 03:45:29 jeremiah rogers? 03:45:52 Heh, heh 03:45:53 you should read my weblog 03:46:07 you have a weblog? 03:46:13 besides swhack that is 03:46:19 just started today: http://radio.weblogs.com/0100663/ 03:46:46 oooh! 03:46:47 http://radio.weblogs.com/0100864/ 03:46:49 heh 03:46:58 You knew about Jeremiah ages ago, didn't you? Introduced him to me? 03:46:58 heh 03:47:08 yeah, but i never wrote to him before. 03:47:23 * AaronSw subscribes to tav 03:47:28 's feed 03:47:44 * sbp notes http://scriptingnews.userland.com/backissues/2002/01/13#lda9233d89208760ce39551a4afe6377f 03:47:45 ah, right 03:47:45 Winer's odd use of the word "discovered" is what threw me 03:47:51 i hope to get a steady supply of daily "hmz"s 03:48:14 Wow, so Winer linked to your blog already? You're a star! 03:48:22 unfortunately upstreaming is being reallly slow. grrr. 03:49:19 Pff, JR could have at least linked to the Plex 03:49:23 yeah 03:50:17 * sbp wonders how to convert http://radio.weblogs.com/0100663/rss.xml into something useful, like RDF 03:51:06 blogspace to the rescue! 03:51:19 http://blogspace.com/rss/rss2rdf?url=http://radio.weblogs.com/0100663/rss.xml 03:51:38 heh, great! 03:51:51 the rdf:abouts are a tad weird, tho 03:52:07 Hmm... yeah, I just noticed that 03:54:36 hmz http://stats.userland.com/groups/radio1/report.html 03:55:27 26. Aaron Swartz 101 03:55:43 whoo! watch me skyrocket 03:55:47 and 03:55:47 95. Aaron Swartz 130 03:55:59 [for all-time] 03:56:08 [well, since 10/7/2001] 03:56:55 * AaronSw roots for Radio: upstream, upstream, upstream! 03:57:06 woohoo! http://radio.weblogs.com/0100663/ 03:57:39 jeremiah sounds borning 03:57:42 boring even 03:57:55 in what way 03:58:00 * AaronSw accidentally runs "while 1: urllib.urlopen('http://radio.weblogs.com/0100663/')" ;-) 03:58:03 ah, 'tis fun to spend your evenings borning away 03:58:08 lol 03:58:21 just the style he writes in 03:58:28 neat: http://news.zdnet.co.uk/story/0,,t300-s2101729,00.html 03:58:41 no one is more boring than purple monkey dishwasher 03:58:42 I mean, me 03:58:44 600 hits -- i can do it. ;-_ 03:58:52 .google "purple monkey dishwasher" 03:58:53 "purple monkey dishwasher": http://www.envy.nu/dishwasher 04:00:19 [a Simpsons quote] 04:01:05 WFM, 24. Aaron Swartz 117 04:01:18 How'd you get 16 hits in like 5 minutes? 04:01:29 that's the power of while 1... i mean scripting news 04:01:36 :-) 04:01:43 * AaronSw stops at hit 144 04:01:51 heh, heh 04:03:15 * sbp gets it via. browser.py 04:03:40 wow, the HTML sucks-ass on a tremendous scale 04:03:54 (but browser.py still renders away, and does a good job too) 04:04:04 Bryan Bell is an awesome designer, but he doesn't do HTML too well. 04:04:21 ugh. rpc.weblogs.com is down again 04:04:34 and up again 04:04:39 what's that? 04:04:58 the server you upload to 04:05:16 RPC? What does it use? 04:05:31 What do you think? XML-RPC. 04:05:36 Pff, why haven't I got a radio-mug? 04:05:38 heh, heh 04:05:53 They did invent it after all. 04:07:16 * sbp wonders where he can get a mug from 04:09:03 copy and paste 04:10:33 pardon? 04:11:38 which mug? 04:11:49 there's http://radio.weblogs.com/0100663/images/radioBadge.gif 04:11:59 and http://radio.weblogs.com/0100663/images/header3.gif 04:12:17 the latter 04:12:27 you could always go with http://www.scripting.com/images/2002/01/12/xmlCoffeeCup.gif 04:12:35 or even http://www.scripting.com/images/2002/01/12/dubyaLovesRadio.jpg 04:13:00 heh, heh 04:13:26 BLURB:I Want A Radio Mug 04:13:29 B: I Want A Radio Mug from sbp 04:14:34 Nice domain name: http://www.deadlybloodyserious.com/ 04:14:40 now we'll call the FBI 04:15:05 B::Winer plasters pictures ([http://radio.weblogs.com/0100663/images/header3.gif|1], [http://radio.weblogs.com/0100663/images/radioBadge.gif|2]) of the mug everywhere, and entices you to buy one... but you can't! What a rip-off. 04:15:05 commented item B 04:17:28 B::They're not yet at [Store.UserLand|http://store.UserLand.com/] but I'm sure they'll soon be [CafePress|http://www.cafepress.com/] 04:17:31 commented item B 04:18:07 another mug: http://www.scripting.com/images/radioMugOnGrey.gif 04:18:32 was radio commercial b4? 04:18:40 no 04:18:56 well... it was commercial but free 04:19:05 thought so 04:23:04 B::Ooh, here's a [http://www.scripting.com/images/radioMugOnGrey.gif|wonderful image of the mug] 04:23:06 commented item B 04:23:20 I'm trying to find the original graphic, but no luck 04:23:58 he had a vote... there were two. one was the cactus, the other was the guy on the horse. 04:26:36 did userland always do the hosting too? 04:26:56 yeah, tho it was at ourfavoritesongs.com before, and wasn't as nicely done 04:27:06 ah 04:27:24 what if i want to serve from a real fast server? 04:27:32 it has ftp support 04:27:35 aha: http://surveys.userland.com/surveys/run/dave@userland.com/whichPicForTheCoffeeMug 04:28:03 B::Here's a [high-quality copy of Super Cactus|http://www.scripting.com/images/coffeeMug1.gif] for your enjoyment. 04:28:04 commented item B 04:28:19 note: http://radio.userland.com/discuss/msgReader$7546 04:28:33 http://www.scripting.com/images/coffeeMug1.gif 04:28:35 http://www.scripting.com/images/coffeeMug2.gif 04:28:47 ah, AaronSw blogged 04:29:03 B::Personally, I prefer [the spaced-out faceless cowboy|http://www.scripting.com/images/coffeeMug2.gif]. 04:29:05 commented item B 04:31:42 B::But I originally [voted|http://surveys.userland.com/surveys/run/dave@userland.com/whichPicForTheCoffeeMug] for the cactus, so maybe I'm just suffering from cactus overload. 04:31:44 commented item B 04:32:42 working. [...] Oh, and please don't mention this email when you take it down. Or I'd have to kill you :). 04:32:47 oh shoot 04:34:03 well, I laugh 04:34:13 newlines in quotes *really* suck 04:34:16 now you will have to be killed too 04:35:58 and anyone who reads the logs? 04:36:08 they won't understand 04:36:09 ooh: 17. Aaron Swartz 173 04:36:14 * AaronSw does jedi hand-waving action 04:37:02 Ah, Jeremiah linked to the Plex. And put it on his sidebar! 04:37:19 I need to figure out this sidebar stuff. 04:38:09 great! 04:38:58 lol! "Sean wants a Radio mug...a lot, apparently." 04:39:03 thanks :-) 04:39:30 :-) 04:41:18 * sbp sits back and waits for his mug to arrive 04:41:42 you don't even have a weblog! 04:41:46 you're a nobody in UserLand 04:41:54 That is true 04:42:09 But I have a website... that kinda makes up for it 04:42:19 pffft 04:42:23 and I have #swhack as a Weblog 04:42:32 you have to bow to #swhack 04:43:59 no i don't 04:48:03 wow, what a URL: http://toolsdirectory.manilasites.com/directory/9/printOutline/extraInfo/iWasVeryExcitedAboutRadioUserlandButThereDidntSeemToBeAnEasyWayToPrintYourOutlinesWithALittleDiggingAndALotOfHelpIHaveMadeASuitetoolThatDoesJustThat/blatestReleaseDateb/hereIsTheSuite/addAScriptToSystemstartupTableThatHasTheFollowingLine 04:49:18 with URLs like that, who needs actual pages? 04:49:30 great for links users 04:49:48 huh? why? 04:50:04 you don't even have to render the page :) 04:50:06 super-persistent too 04:50:48 heh, heh 04:50:59 come on everybody, use "data:" URIs! 04:51:57 yeah 04:52:10 any browsers support it? 04:52:17 Mozilla 04:52:24 ah, good 04:54:25 how do I do in CSS? 04:54:29 Doesn't advertising that face that you're a secret agent make you less of a secret agent, and more of an agent 04:54:34 ? 04:54:37 s/face/fact/ 04:54:46 font-size: smaller 04:54:52 and align=center? 04:55:00 text-align: center 04:55:02 text-align: center 04:55:05 cool 04:55:32 I'd advise setting an em value for font-size, not smaller 04:55:39 perhaps 0.8em 04:55:51 ah, yeah 04:55:56 that's what you said last time and I had three viewers lose their eyesight. 04:56:19 heh. Well, browsers are inconsistent whatever the CSS :-) 04:56:31 why are you making text smaller? 04:56:37 set it to 0.9em and check it on everything you've got 04:56:48 i'm too lazy for that 05:04:55 ha! Move over Larry Staton Jr.: 14. Aaron Swartz 217 05:05:11 heh! 05:05:14 and watch out Wes :-) 05:05:34 http://www.w3.org/2000/06/webdata/xslt?xslfile=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.netcrucible.com%2Fxslt%2Fopml.xslt&xmlfile=http%3A%2F%2Fradio.weblogs.com%2F0100663%2Fgems%2FmySubscriptions.opml 05:06:03 nice 05:06:31 Does the DHTML work for you? 05:07:06 it doesn't follow the "links", but it makes them all pretty 05:07:14 ehm 05:07:27 how do you comment on a weblog ? 05:07:31 how do you comment on a weblog item? 05:07:47 you link to it from your weblog and follow the link, so it appears in one's refferers 05:07:51 or you just use crit 05:07:54