IRC log of swhack on 2002-01-12

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interesting: http://www.nature.com/nsu/020107/020107-2.html

00:22:14 [sbp]

ooh, old art: http://www.nature.com/nsu/020107/020107-11.html

00:23:57 [sbp]

heh, good idea for a sailing newsletter: Marine Matters

00:24:08 [sbp]

.google "Marine Matters"

00:24:09 [xena]

"Marine Matters": http://www.clydesite.co.uk

00:25:07 [sbp]

blargh

00:28:11 [sbp]

ooh, camworld.com called the new iMac the "iLamp" too

00:28:59 [sbp]

good link: http://www.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=02/01/10/1711238&mode=thread

00:31:09 [sbp]

heh, sample letter to send people:-

00:31:11 [sbp]

[[[

00:31:11 [sbp]

You sent the attachment in Microsoft Word format, a secret proprietary format, so I cannot read it. If you send me the plain text, HTML, or PDF, then I could read it.

00:31:11 [sbp]

Sending people documents in Word format has bad effects, because that practice puts pressure on them to use Microsoft software. In effect, you become a buttress of the Microsoft monopoly. This specific problem is a major obstacle to the broader adoption of GNU/Linux. Would you please reconsider the use of Word format for communication with other people?

00:31:16 [sbp]

]]] - http://www.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=02/01/10/1711238&mode=thread

00:31:21 [sbp]

That's a great article

00:34:22 [sbp]

ooh, good solution for stopping (some) spam-crawlers:-

00:34:24 [sbp]

[[[

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Another option is to use HTML entities to encode mailto: links and other mentions of your address so that extremely brain-dead spamware can't scrape it, like so:

00:34:24 [sbp]

<a href="mailto&#58;schampeo&#64;hesketh&#46;com">

00:34:24 [sbp]

Send me email!

00:34:24 [sbp]

</a>

00:34:29 [sbp]

]]] - http://www.webtechniques.com/archives/2001/08/champeon/

00:38:33 [sbp]

heh, heh: http://www.ipodhacks.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=index

00:38:43 [sbp]

some people *really* like the iPod

00:38:47 [sbp]

(via bump.com)

00:39:46 [sbp]

heh: http://www.dashes.com/anil/picture.php?picurl=images/bklosers.jpg&picaption=Now%20Hiring%20Losers&picx=480&picy=640

00:40:26 [sbp]

Hmm...

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[[[

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What the reviews did not point out is that there is a way to connect an iPod to a PC.

00:40:32 [sbp]

]]] - http://www.anandtech.com/audio/showdoc.html?i=1575

00:40:56 [sbp]

Well, unless someone buys me one... :-)

00:43:01 [sbp]

Pff... Dan Gillmor (http://web.siliconvalley.com/content/sv/opinion/dgillmor/weblog/) finally noticed Google's news page (http://www.google.com/news/newsheadlines.html)

00:45:20 [sbp]

heh "Nancy and T": http://www.dashes.com/anil/picture.php?picurl=images/nancy.jpg&picaption=Nancy%20and%20T&picx=300&picy=480

00:45:56 [sbp]

weird:-

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[[[

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Scientists are puzzled after the 'virgin birth' of a baby shark at a US zoo that has no male sharks.

00:46:06 [sbp]

The bonnethead shark was born in a tank containing only females of the species.

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]]] - http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_492876.html?menu=news.scienceanddiscovery.naturalworld

00:46:18 [sbp]

Ananova always has the weirdest stuff

00:48:15 [sbp]

ah, I thought I'd heard of Ka-Ping Yee (of Python request fame) before - he did http://web.lfw.org/jminc

00:50:48 [sbp]

Joel's "Many of my days go like this" in http://joel.editthispage.com/ is quite funny

00:50:50 [lilo]

[Global Notice] We may further limit users-per-IP, with a few exceptions. For further discussion, turn on WALLOPS. Most clients use one of the following commands: "/umode +w" "/mode <yournick> +w" "/quote mode <yournick> +w" "/raw mode <yournick> +w". Thanks.

00:53:19 [sbp]

heh:-

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@ http://www.nytimes.com/2002/01/11/science/11COLO.html

00:53:24 [chumpster]

A: Register at NYTimes.com from sbp

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A::"""If it were possible to see the universe as a whole, from afar, it would appear pale green, between aquamarine and turquoise."""

00:54:17 [chumpster]

commented item A

00:54:27 [sbp]

A:|Scientists Paint Universe as a Vast Sea of Green

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titled item A

00:58:07 [sbp]

interesting news: http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/55/23628.html

00:58:25 [sbp]

seems that "hackers" (they probably mean crackers) have a conscience after all

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oh, this is great:-

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@ http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/archive/17062.html

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B:|Hackers are terrorists, says UK law

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B: http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/archive/17062.html from sbp

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titled item B

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B::"cyberterrorists - known to you and me as hackers"

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commented item B

01:01:08 [sbp]

B::Nope. Known to me, and anyone else who knows anything about programming culture (or does five seconds of research on Google), as crackers. Just [http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/jargon/html/entry/hacker.html|ask the Jargon file]

01:01:09 [chumpster]

commented item B

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B::Then again, it could have been worse - they could have appended "sw"

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commented item B

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B::s/app/prep/

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commented item B

01:02:37 [BenSw]

HI

01:02:40 [sbp]

Hi there

01:04:22 [BenSw]

I hate AIM... though for some reason i talk on it

01:04:23 [BenSw]

hmm

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@ http://www.oreillynet.com/cs/weblog/view/wlg/1046

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C: http://www.oreillynet.com/cs/weblog/view/wlg/1046 from sbp

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G:|Why We've Embraced Mac OS X

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C:|Why We've Embraced Mac OS X

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titled item C

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C::Derrick: """over the last year, you've seen more Mac-related articles in our lead space. Now I don't know how you feel personally about this platform, but I want to tell you why we've been covering this stuff."""

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commented item C

01:08:17 [sbp]

Man, sites that automatically play sounds annoy me - especially when I'm listening to something else. I guess there must be a way to configure my browser so that it doesn't play them, but still...

01:09:08 [sbp]

?: http://www.geocities.com/love_letter_project/

01:09:57 [sbp]

heh:-

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[[[

01:09:58 [sbp]

You don't seem to be subscribed to any weblogs. Either you have cookies turned off, or you haven't visited any Metacookie-enabled sites in the last year. It's probably the former...

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]]] - http://metacookie.com/

01:10:08 [sbp]

guess again, suckers

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ooh, this is quite sad: http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_493265.html?menu=news.quirkies

01:12:16 [sbp]

"""The Russian makers of the MiG-31 fighter jet are starting to manufacture trolley buses to bring in more money.

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The company hasn't sold any of the jets to the Russian government for 10 years.

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"""

01:12:36 [sbp]

MiG are a renound aerospace company. That's really sad indeed

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heh:-

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@ http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_493258.html?menu=news.quirkies

01:13:02 [chumpster]

D: http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_493258.html?menu=news.quirkies from sbp

01:13:05 [sbp]

D:|Euro notes 'only poisonous if you eat 400 at once'

01:13:06 [chumpster]

titled item D

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D::Phew, that's a relief

01:13:15 [BenSw]

lol

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commented item D

01:13:57 [BenSw]

phew I only ate 399 at a time

01:14:12 [sbp]

D::"""He [Eugenio Domingo Solans, European Central Bank] told reporters the ink only poses health risks if people eat hundreds of the notes."""

01:14:13 [chumpster]

commented item D

01:14:16 [sbp]

lucky you :-)

01:14:29 [sbp]

heh, this is the best bit: """He told reporters it's not recommended to eat the euro notes and also said the practice would be "expensive"."""

01:14:53 [BenSw]

Heh, heh, heh

01:15:24 [sbp]

heh: http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_493123.html?menu=news.quirkies

01:15:32 [sbp]

I wonder why we don't get Bulgarian T.V.?

01:19:21 [BenSw]

Why would you want Bulgarian T.V.?

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01:21:31 [BenSw]

Well I'm off to do work for the plex, see ya

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01:23:18 [sbp]

work for the Plex?

01:23:32 [sbp]

pairs are better: http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_492030.html?menu=news.technology

01:23:46 [sbp]

*work* for the Plex?

01:24:03 [sbp]

actually, I want to ask Aaron some questions about 'Plex. I wonder where he is?

01:24:37 [sbp]

ooh, polyhedra: http://www.sciencenews.org/20011222/bob13.asp

01:27:07 [sbp]

interesting little article about guessing cards: http://www.sciencenews.org/20011222/mathtrek.asp

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might have to try that out

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bung it on the TODO list :-)

01:30:58 [sbp]

ooh: http://partners.nytimes.com/2002/01/11/national/11PRIN.html?pagewanted=print

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via Follow Me Here http://world.std.com/~emg/blogger.html

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[[[

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'A judge has ruled for the first time that fingerprint evidence, a virtually unassailable prosecutorial tool for 90 years, does not meet the standards set for scientific testimony and that experts in the field cannot testify that a suspect's prints definitely match those found at a crime scene. The decision, by a senior federal judge in Philadelphia, comes after two years of efforts by defense lawyers to hold fingerprint analysis to standards set by t

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]]]

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if you print, you print: http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,48996,00.html

01:32:15 [sbp]

"""Online journalism is the same as print, radio and TV news when it comes to free-press protections against charges of libel.""" (from that article)

01:32:49 [sbp]

wow, look at North and South Korea: http://www.freemaninstitute.com/nightearth.htm

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spoiler: North Korea is really dark, South Korea is quite lit up

01:37:33 [sbp]

cool; lots of activity in the early universe, according to this: http://oposite.stsci.edu/pubinfo/pr/2002/02/

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.seen AaronSw

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heh, BBC's silly stories: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/in_depth/world/2001/review_of_2001/newsid_1717000/1717873.stm

01:39:00 [sbp]

Hi Gabe. I wanna talk to Aaron too, but I dunno where he is

01:39:44 [GabeW]

hey, maybe you can help me

01:39:55 [sbp]

heh:-

01:39:55 [sbp]

[[[Scientists greeted the discovery of the Bruijns Brush Turkey with great excitement, as the elusive beast had not been seen since 1938, and was presumed extinct.

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Their delight turned to dismay when it emerged that hunters who had made the find had eaten the evidence.

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]]]

01:40:00 [sbp]

sure, ask away

01:40:26 [GabeW]

I need to know about standards relating to alternate ways of serializing XML (e.g. perhaps from an infoset)

01:40:38 [GabeW]

or at least proposals

01:41:31 [GabeW]

do you know what I'm asking?

01:41:39 [sbp]

Hmm... strangely I haven't followed any. I unsubscribed from XML-Dev quite a while ago, and all of the best proposals would have been discussed there

01:41:49 [sbp]

of course I know what you're asking :-)

01:41:54 [GabeW]

actually more properly i'm talking about serialization of an infoset, I guess ;-)

01:42:57 [GabeW]

Alternatively, I'd be interested in a simpler form of XPath that could allow one to say "This text is the content of the 1st blah element which is a child of the 2nd "foo" element which is the 3rd "duh" element of a document with outer element "baz") for example

01:47:06 [sbp]

[[[

01:47:06 [sbp]

I've been a contributing editor to InfoWorld for more than 10 years, so I've written first-hand about the shift to the Windows GUI from the old character-based DOS that used to be installed on almost all personal computers.

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]]] - http://www.infoworld.com/articles/op/xml/02/01/07/020107oplivingston.xml

01:47:14 [sbp]

argh, but where?

01:47:29 [sbp]

.google "Brian Livingston" GUI DOS

01:47:30 [xena]

"Brian Livingston" GUI DOS: http://www.infoworld.com/articles/op/xml/02/01/07/020107oplivingston.xml

01:47:47 [sbp]

Pff

01:48:41 [deltab]

hehe

01:49:26 [sbp]

heh:-

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[[[

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My pet peeve? Designers who feel compelled to use black link text for either visited or unvisited links. Those, like myself, who have underlining turned off in our browsers are thus forced to mouse around all over the place, waiting for our browsers to give us the finger :)

01:49:34 [sbp]

]]] - http://www.stcsig.org/id/idblog.html

01:49:41 [sbp]

Why not set a user style sheet? Oh well

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@ http://plexdev.org/

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E: http://plexdev.org/ from sbp

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E:|Plex

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titled item E

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E::"""The Plex is a decentralized network for sharing data.""" So, that means "P2P app."

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commented item E

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E::"""The Plex provides a simple to use database system for your applications. Plex-based applications can easily be used anonymously, securely, quickly, and easily. By providing a shared storage system the Plex can integrate protocols like email, newsgroups and the Web into a single system."""

01:56:25 [chumpster]

commented item E

01:56:47 [sbp]

It's about time we chumped that

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@ http://www.moby-online.com/Essays/html/davidBowie.html

01:58:10 [chumpster]

F: http://www.moby-online.com/Essays/html/davidBowie.html from sbp

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F:|Moby Interviews David Bowie

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titled item F

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F::Moby Q: What shall we be excited about tomorrow?

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commented item F

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F::Bowie A: To see heaven in a grain of sand and eternity in a wildflower. And 'Cops'

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on Fox.

01:59:17 [sbp]

F::on Fox.

01:59:27 [sbp]

invisible line breaks suck

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commented item F

02:01:15 [sbp]

F::Oops, vice versa (Bowie Q, Moby A)

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commented item F

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commented item F

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@ http://davidgrenier.weblogger.com/2001/01/09

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G: The dumbest girls in the world from sbp

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G::via. [http://www.kottke.org/|Kottke.org]

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commented item G

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G::Prepare to laugh loud and long

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commented item G

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G::I wonder if one of those girls will ever get to read this article? I guess that reading is too "boring", though

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commented item G

02:13:36 [sbp]

ugh:-

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[[[

02:13:37 [sbp]

Hey, I was young, what do you want? At least I was never a goth. Of course, I was a late eighties metalhea

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]]] - http://davidgrenier.weblogger.com/stories/storyReader$15

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er... chopped of the "d"

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now I know how Perl programmers who abuse chop feel

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cool: http://images.google.com/images?num=20&imgsafe=off&q=webcam32.jpg

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02:26:34 [sbp]

lots of Alaska cams: http://alyeskacam.com/alaska.htm

02:27:10 [sbp]

sbp has changed the topic to: Now I know how Perl programmers who abuse "chop" feel

02:28:05 [sbp]

ooh, Touch-N'-Go: http://camera.touchngo.com/

02:28:20 [sbp]

BLURB:Internet Modes

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H: Internet Modes from sbp

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H::I've found that the way I use the Internet has changed a lot. At first, I thought of it as "read-only" - viewing sites, taking in information. Browsing

02:29:00 [chumpster]

commented item H

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H::Then I decided that instead of just musing on the junk that I read, I could *publish* it too, so I started lots of Websites

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commented item H

02:29:52 [sbp]

H::And now I use it a lot for communication, via. IRC and email

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commented item H

02:30:37 [sbp]

H::And then, of course, there's collaboration: a blend of publishing and communication

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commented item H

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H::I wonder: what next? What more can I get out of the Internet? People say that information access on the move will be useful, and I guess it will if you're on the move all of the time

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commented item H

02:33:02 [sbp]

heh!

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[[[

02:33:04 [sbp]

Morbus says (via email) that while Perl and PHP are included in the standard Mac OS X install, Python isn't. I read on Usenet that Tcl is included, but not Tk.

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]]] - http://webseitz.editthispage.com/

02:33:24 [sbp]

wow, that's kinda scary. Just browsing the Internet, and up pops Morbus

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@ http://webseitz.editthispage.com/

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I: Radio killed the HTML star... from sbp

02:33:41 [sbp]

I::"""Morbus says (via email) that while Perl and PHP are included in the standard Mac OS X install, Python isn't. I read on Usenet that Tcl is included, but not Tk."""

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commented item I

02:34:18 [sbp]

I::What's that all about? Come on Apple, [http://www.python.org/|Python] should be on every machine!

02:34:19 [chumpster]

commented item I

02:39:13 [sbp]

wow, cool photos: http://www.livejournal.com/community/photographie/

02:42:40 [sbp]

interesting (opt out of pop-ups, using cookies): http://technoerotica.net/mylog/optouts.html

02:44:01 [sbp]

Pff, Real got an iPod: http://www.oreillynet.com/~rael/archives/000092.shtml#000092

02:44:32 [sbp]

@ http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,49638,00.html

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J: Norway Cracks Down on DVD Hacker from sbp

02:45:42 [sbp]

J:Yep, they indicted Jon Johansen, the guy who just wanted to get his DVDs to work on Linux

02:45:47 [sbp]

J::Yep, they indicted Jon Johansen, the guy who just wanted to get his DVDs to work on Linux

02:45:50 [chumpster]

commented item J

02:46:40 [sbp]

J::and in doing so, created [http://jult.net/dvd/win-binaries/DeCSS.exe|DeCSS]. But you know about that already, right?

02:46:43 [chumpster]

commented item J

02:47:09 [sbp]

J::"""At LinuxWorld 2000, Johansen fans passed out bumper stickers that read "Free Jon Johansen.""""

02:47:10 [chumpster]

commented item J

02:50:29 [sbp]

J::cf. the [http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/Gallery/|DeCSS gallery]

02:50:33 [chumpster]

commented item J

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02:56:53 [sbp]

heh: http://www.interesting-people.org/archives/interesting-people/200201/msg00072.html

03:08:07 [sbp]

lol! "I'd sleep with the guy from Staind before I'd tumble for La Brit." - http://www.salon.com/ent/music/feature/2001/12/03/britney_spears/index.html

03:13:48 [sbp]

lol! http://www.studentmagazine.com/thisweek/thisweek_article.asp?articleID=213

03:13:56 [sbp]

"As you can expect it's really affecting my sex life. I can't help it. Each time my wife initiates sex, these ejaculating hippos keep floating through my mind."

03:13:59 [sbp]

crazy stuff

03:15:19 [sbp]

Napster relaunches again (kinda): http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20020110/en/music-napster_3.html

03:16:52 [sbp]

heh: http://www.brenna.net/notes/sys-adm.html

03:22:35 [sbp]

@ http://www.birdhouse.org/macos/beos_osx/

03:22:43 [chumpster]

K: http://www.birdhouse.org/macos/beos_osx/ from sbp

03:22:52 [sbp]

K:|Tales of a BeOS Refugee

03:22:54 [chumpster]

titled item K

03:23:25 [sbp]

K::"""BeOS really was the promised land of operating systems, as far as I was concerned, and it was only a matter of time before the rest of the world saw the light. Or so I thought."""

03:23:29 [chumpster]

commented item K

03:24:14 [sbp]

eek: http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/p/nm/20020111/wl/mdf111253.html

03:31:41 [sbp]

Wow!

03:31:56 [sbp]

[[[

03:31:57 [sbp]

BeOS 5 comes in two flavors: Personal and Pro. The Personal Edition is freely downloadable from free.be.com (42 MB), and can be installed without partitioning your hard drive. When you install Personal Edition, a standard Windows installer places a 500 MB file on a Windows volume, inside of which is the Be File System (BFS) containing a preinstalled version of BeOS.

03:32:03 [sbp]

]]] - http://www.byte.com/documents/s%3D1115/byt20010806s0002/

03:32:27 [sbp]

Surely not? Could I install BeOS and have it running on a WinMe computer?

03:34:09 [sbp]

Mmmkay, they got liquidated

03:37:31 [sbp]

ah: ftp://ftp2.zdnet.com/pub/private/sWlIB/utilities/system_utilities/beospe.exe

03:37:51 [sbp]

via. http://web.archive.org/web/20000622090604/hotfiles.zdnet.com/cgi-bin/texis/swlib/hotfiles/info.html?fcode=00172B&b=beos

03:38:39 [sbp]

and it's not there. Oh well

03:39:37 [sbp]

I wonder if the Weblog will chop those items out tonight?

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05:09:21 [tav`]

sbp: yea, you could do that

05:09:29 [tav`]

fucking palm bought be and all that though

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05:44:18 [MysticOne]

[GlobalNotice] Sorry to send this out again for those of you who already saw the wallops, but I've had more requests to send this message out. There is a serious exploit in X-Chat (versions older than 1.8.7) that will allow another user to make your client say or do things on your behalf. This can be fixed (and quickly!) by either upgrading to 1.8.7, or typing /set percascii 0. Thank you for your support.

05:46:31 [atariboy]

BenSw|away ? AaronSw ?

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* sbp plays some Bob Dylan :-)

13:59:36 [BenSw|away]

Hello

13:59:49 [BenSw|away]

BenSw|away is now known as BenSw

14:10:42 [sbp]

Hi

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* sbp plays "Obviously 5 Believers"

15:50:17 [sbp]

http://www.python.org/windows/win32all/

15:50:33 [sbp]

* sbp gets some text editors

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18:33:56 [sbp]

I just had an idea (that people must have come up with before)

18:34:07 [sbp]

A big RDF database for a file system

18:34:25 [sbp]

a bit like the BeOS filesys, but exportable as RDF

18:34:50 [sbp]

instead of having "file names" and "directories", you just throw some information at the database

18:34:55 [sbp]

it'll give it some ID

18:35:12 [sbp]

and automatically compress it if it reckons it can be compressed. You can also store metadata with it

18:35:23 [sbp]

for example: a label which acts as a filename

18:35:53 [sbp]

if you program it to recognize :fileName as a daml:UnambiguousProperty, then it'll only let you use one per file

18:36:08 [sbp]

that way, you can search by any metadata, and fileName as a backup

18:36:34 [sbp]

it would record content-length and date modified etc. in the normal way

18:36:54 [sbp]

you could also archive files tthat way - it would act a bit like CVS. and it could have a CGI front end etc.

18:37:10 [sbp]

I thought of this a bit last night, but I'm collecting it all together now

18:37:38 [sbp]

the problem is, there's no way that I can code it. This is a big database task, requiring skill, and knowledge of optimization in Python etc.

18:38:15 [sbp]

the other problem is that the only way to interface it would be through that file system's shell. so you'd have to go through bash through python and through this program

18:39:25 [sbp]

Perhaps I can convince someone to tack it onto the Plex, use it as a local file storage system

18:39:47 [sbp]

storing data with an SHA5** hash code would be a very good idea actually. Ooh!

18:40:05 [sbp]

[mild excitement]

18:40:48 [sbp]

"heh, y'know, whilst we were re-wiring the Internet, we thought we'd give local file systems a bit of a make-over too"

18:44:22 [sbp]

Hmm... actually, how hard could it be?

18:47:13 [sbp]

[[[

18:47:13 [sbp]

import sys, sha512

18:47:14 [sbp]

if __name__=="__main__":

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f = open(sys.argv[1], 'r').read()

18:47:14 [sbp]

open(sha512.new(f).hexdigest(), 'w').write(f)

18:47:17 [sbp]

]]] - file.py

18:48:01 [sbp]

well, it's a start

18:51:01 [sbp]

heh, now I just have this file called "4a59e80b6a5bfb4c8d8a592086a290b347c5d2b62418abe878cfa8037063ca268edeadd184bc3d54bf683584f294caf7a3109c90458b45f93d25587618070fa1" in my home dir, with the word "blargh" in it. Could it be the first instance of a file being named by its SHA5** hash?

18:52:15 [sbp]

Hmph, I'd have to put the metadata in some big central store

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18:54:44 [sbp]

Gotta run

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20:12:09 [BenSw]

hi

20:12:52 [sbp]

Hi there

20:14:28 [sbp]

* sbp plays "Nashville Skyline"

20:21:12 [sbp]

heh, "How To Write Unmaintainable Code": http://mindprod.com/unmain.html

20:21:43 [sbp]

@ http://mindprod.com/unmain.html

20:21:50 [chumpster]

L: How To Write Unmaintainable Code from sbp

20:22:37 [sbp]

L::I love the huge disclaimer at the top - as if anyone would take this seriously

20:22:39 [chumpster]

commented item L

20:24:06 [sbp]

L::Some great programming tips, including "Code That Masquerades As Comments and Vice Versa", and "Arbitrary Names That Masquerade as Keywords"

20:24:08 [chumpster]

commented item L

20:25:52 [sbp]

.google Befunge93

20:25:53 [xena]

Befunge93: http://blogspace.com/swhack/chatlogs/2001-09-23.txt

20:25:56 [sbp]

heh

20:26:01 [sbp]

.google Befunge

20:26:02 [xena]

Befunge: /url?sa=U&start=1&q=http://www.catseye.mb.ca/esoteric/befunge/&e=922

20:26:15 [sbp]

L::Of course, the easiest thing to do to make your code unmainainable is to port it to [http://www.catseye.mb.ca/esoteric/befunge/|Befunge]

20:26:17 [chumpster]

commented item L

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21:24:22 [sbp]

heh, heh: http://www.users.cloud9.net/~hennessy/tao.html

21:24:41 [sbp]

this is good, although I've probably read it/come across it before: http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html

21:25:25 [sbp]

"""You will hear a lot of people recommending Perl, and Perl is still more popular than Python, but it's harder to learn and (in my opinion) less well designed."""

21:25:30 [sbp]

Heh, heh, heh

21:26:10 [sbp]

* sbp searches for a LISP tutorial

21:26:26 [sbp]

s/a/a decent/

21:30:19 [sbp]

Wow, people are generally really crap at writing tutorials/primers

21:33:49 [sbp]

this one's reasonable: http://grimpeur.tamu.edu/~colin/lp/

21:44:46 [sbp]

ooh, bing!

21:45:11 [sbp]

LISP is interesting because you can do so much with such a limited set of functions

21:46:38 [sbp]

And I percieve a lot of influences for RDF in there - nil (in DAML), and ' (reification)

21:46:51 [sbp]

Great

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22:12:38 [BenSw]

Hello

22:15:12 [sbp]

Hi

22:55:41 [BenSw]

whats up?

22:56:37 [sbp]

just doing the usual junk - writing code, talking to people, etc.

22:59:49 [BenSw]

Heh, heh, heh

23:00:01 [sbp]

.google DanBri Ruby RDF

23:00:03 [xena]

DanBri Ruby RDF: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2001Dec/0050.html

23:00:42 [BenSw]

.seen atariboy

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* BenSw starts to watch monsters inc on his linux box

23:23:29 [tav`]

you have a divx?

23:31:55 [AaronSw]

mpg

23:32:31 [AaronSw]

sbp is learning LIS{? ooh.

23:32:41 [sbp]

Aaron? Is that really you?

23:32:48 [AaronSw]

It is.

23:32:51 [sbp]

Welcome!

23:32:54 [AaronSw]

Were they impersonating me before?

23:33:03 [AaronSw]

s/LIS{/LISP/

23:33:06 [sbp]

Nope, but I thought it might be Ben

23:33:28 [sbp]

argh, I have so many things to ask and tell you, I've forgotten them all!

23:33:40 [AaronSw]

It was quite annoying: I had my speakers on so I kept hearing you say stuff like "I wonder where Aaron is..." and wanted to scream, "it's Saturday stupid! write your questions in the channel"

23:34:07 [sbp]

Heh, yeah, I worked out that it was Saturday after a while

23:35:16 [sbp]

Um... O.K., the first thing is that I chumped quite a few items. But that's merely incedental

23:35:26 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw goes to read the (surprisingly large) logs

23:35:47 [sbp]

I thought of something: perhaps the chump should retain at least three-five items when it rolls over?

23:36:22 [AaronSw]

That would be nice, but would be a pain to implement... i mean, how do you deal with permalinks?

23:36:27 [sbp]

Because when people come to the blog and see one item on there, they're not going to be thrilled, and yet they may not have seen yesterday items... so why not keep a few on there?

23:36:38 [sbp]

Well, yeah - I just come up with the idea, mate

23:36:42 [AaronSw]

Hmm, I wonder if I could make it show a few days worth...

23:36:45 [sbp]

s/idea/ideas/

23:37:14 [sbp]

Hmm... my funny accents don't come across well on IRC, do they?

23:38:14 [sbp]

Anyway, the next thing was that I have quite a few questions about 'Plex. Don't even know where to start with them, or what forum to address them to

23:38:27 [sbp]

Now that I think about it, I should have bundled them up in an email, and sent them off

23:38:46 [sbp]

But as it is, I haven't even written them down, so I've probably forgotten half of them. Oh well

23:39:28 [sbp]

oh, the next thing is that I kinda "came up" with a file system idea, but that's all in the logs

23:39:48 [sbp]

I thought that it might gel with 'Plex a little bit, but if not, who cares?

23:40:30 [sbp]

Nextly, I just sat down to work on some more RDF stuff, and noticed that there are quite a few RDF APIs. It might behoove someone to write up a comparison, although no one will

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23:41:15 [AaronSw]

comparison: we will just say "use plexrdf" ;-)

23:41:16 [sbp]

Hi Wes

23:41:22 [wmf]

hey swhackers

23:41:43 [AaronSw]

heh, i just knew your word attachment quote was from Stallman. it's got his tone

23:42:07 [sbp]

heh, heh. Yeah, I liked that article, even if it was a bit on the FS-preachy side

23:42:21 [AaronSw]

hey there wes

23:44:11 [AaronSw]

Ooh, Prarie Home Companion is on

23:46:47 [wmf]

I'm sick and bored; not a good combination

23:46:59 [wmf]

I might have to haxor teh planet or something

23:47:06 [AaronSw]

Heh, heh

23:48:18 [AaronSw]

Why don't you develop a nice Hotline client?

23:48:47 [wmf]

what a coincidence; I was just thinking about warez

23:49:26 [wmf]

I think the hotline model is flawed

23:49:45 [AaronSw]

I agree, but I've found more cool stuff on there than I have with P2P systems.

23:50:02 [AaronSw]

I wonder why...

23:50:32 [AaronSw]

<sbp> Joel's "Many of my days go like this" in http://joel.editthispage.com/ is quite funny

23:50:36 [AaronSw]

it's funny because it's true

23:50:49 [wmf]

maybe we need a combined P2P/hotline client that automatically mirrors hotline content into a P2P cloud

23:51:03 [AaronSw]

Ooh, that'd be cool.... but hotline is so slow for downloading.

23:51:07 [AaronSw]

with queues and all

23:53:42 [tav`]

we just need to get the server maintainers right?

23:53:55 [AaronSw]

yeah

23:55:46 [wmf]

* wmf quits Carracho after suffering its lameness for 5 minutes

23:55:52 [tav`]

well, i'm just waiting for fatgit to get lotr 2 in april

23:56:33 [tav`]

that's like 8 months before it hits the big screen? and dvd quality too!

23:56:40 [AaronSw]

@ http://www.openp2p.com/lpt/a//p2p/2002/01/11/jabber_bots.html

23:56:47 [chumpster]

M: http://www.openp2p.com/lpt/a//p2p/2002/01/11/jabber_bots.html from AaronSw

23:57:31 [tav`]

heh

23:57:35 [AaronSw]

M:|Is Jabber's Chatbot the Command Line of the Future?

23:57:37 [chumpster]

titled item M

23:57:37 [tav`]

?? hmz

23:57:52 [tav`]

<maya> hmz is the meaning of life

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23:58:07 [AaronSw]

how's fg getting it?

23:58:11 [tav`]

wmf: carracho?

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23:58:26 [wmf]

tav`: a hotline clone

23:58:39 [AaronSw]

M::talks about "frank, a meeting bot that helps with the mundane side of organizing and publishing meeting notes"

23:59:01 [chumpster]

commented item M