IRC log of swhack on 2002-01-11

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00:07:16 [AaronSw]
cool
00:07:43 [AaronSw]
sbp reading perl docs?!
00:09:08 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw does the cool walk
00:09:30 [AaronSw]
I read the new "True Names" in the car -- great book.
00:09:38 [AaronSw]
It's got a really nice piece by T.C. May in it.
00:09:54 [AaronSw]
Reminds me to todo.append('implement crypto anarchy')
00:11:21 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw wonders why that Blogspace thing is so confusing.
00:11:28 [AaronSw]
The guy already edits his site over the Web
00:13:11 [sbp]
Yes! I was indeed reading Perl docs., but I'm feeling better now, thanks
00:15:02 [sbp]
Perl's cool for one-liners... but Python has the edge for anything else :-)
00:15:03 [AaronSw]
Interesting: http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200-8399481.html
00:31:05 [AaronSw]
Hmm, Segway.com sent out a really confusing message.
00:31:30 [AaronSw]
It comes from acrosllc.com and is labeled "Oracle Workflow Management", and welcomes me to the Store.
00:32:26 [AaronSw]
Oh, good, they apologized.
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00:35:26 [AaronSw]
dinner. c'ya
00:35:55 [sbp]
c'ya
01:14:02 [AaronSw]
ooh, cool. the Chord folks responded
01:15:38 [sbp]
public? private? in what capacity?
01:15:49 [sbp]
what to? who to?
01:16:10 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw was just arguing that eminent domain is a stupid idea.
01:16:23 [AaronSw]
I guess I'm drifting right.
01:16:51 [sbp]
you've a long way to go yet :-)
01:17:09 [AaronSw]
maybe i'll vote libertarian
01:17:40 [AaronSw]
private, in response to my comment that i was implementing it.
01:17:45 [sbp]
Michael told you to
01:17:51 [AaronSw]
heh, he did
01:18:18 [AaronSw]
wow, cool. henry minsky iss using blogifyYourPage.
01:18:45 [sbp]
Heh. I wonder one no one uses any of my crap
01:19:03 [AaronSw]
I'm sure tons of people do.
01:19:23 [sbp]
yeah, they're all sitting down browsing the Web on their brand new browser.py setups
01:19:40 [AaronSw]
I've gotten 10,000 click-thrus on that already today!
01:19:53 [sbp]
on blogify? wow
01:20:01 [AaronSw]
No, on browser.py.
01:20:17 [sbp]
Oh, that was just me testing it. Sorry
01:20:23 [AaronSw]
Hmm, I guess HQM is back in MA.
01:24:41 [AaronSw]
Wow, the AI Lab redesigns their website: http://www.ai.mit.edu/
01:25:17 [AaronSw]
The future of AI: Using graphics to communicate text.
01:25:42 [AaronSw]
i can't believe they implemented hover with fricking rollovers.
01:26:08 [AaronSw]
And then they use an unlinked "Valid HTML" thing. Sheesh.
01:26:29 [AaronSw]
of course it's not actually valid.
01:29:59 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw emails them, ccs www-archive.
01:33:16 [AaronSw]
@ http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=498
01:33:23 [chumpster]
A: http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=498 from AaronSw
01:33:27 [AaronSw]
A:|Simply GNUstep Delivers UNIX, Simply
01:33:28 [chumpster]
titled item A
01:33:49 [AaronSw]
A::The first steps toward Mac OS X for x86s.
01:33:50 [chumpster]
commented item A
01:34:03 [AaronSw]
Hmm, what was the topic I was saving...
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01:39:43 [AaronSw]
A::via [wmf|http://wmf.editthispage.com/discuss/msgReader$6856], [/.|http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/01/10/187238&mode=thread]
01:39:45 [chumpster]
commented item A
01:54:32 [sbp]
Heh, TimBL has started triple quoting his replies
02:05:17 [sbp]
argh, FreeSearch http://www.google.com/services/free.html isn't working
02:05:34 [sbp]
it keeps telling me that it can't find any pages on my domain, even though there are clearly plenty indexed
02:21:57 [sbp]
@ http://www.msnbc.com/news/684761.asp?0dm=T19OT
02:22:09 [chumpster]
B: http://www.msnbc.com/news/684761.asp?0dm=T19OT from sbp
02:22:22 [sbp]
B:|Virus writers get head start on .NET
02:22:23 [chumpster]
titled item B
02:23:37 [sbp]
B::According to the article, the virus will "most certainly not impact any consumers since .NET is not yet publicly available."
02:23:38 [chumpster]
commented item B
02:24:30 [sbp]
wow, Aaron, they replied to you already
02:24:39 [AaronSw]
Yeah, they did.
02:24:45 [AaronSw]
Must be an AI.
02:24:52 [sbp]
Heh, heh
02:34:15 [sbp]
* sbp uploads the new mysterylights.com
03:03:47 [AaronSw]
Cool, Skip Montanaro i my idea
03:03:56 [AaronSw]
err seems to grok my idea on python-list.
03:20:33 [AaronSw]
Heh, Skip: "I started writing Python code to handle all the friggin' HTTP_USER_AGENT formats available -- what a mess! (HTTP_USER_AGENT, not Python)"
03:20:46 [AaronSw]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-talk/1995JanFeb/0000.html
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03:35:15 [sbp]
ooh: http://www.lfw.org/python/Itpl.py
03:35:20 [AaronSw]
yeah
03:36:00 [AaronSw]
i thought you hated that idea, tho
03:37:26 [sbp]
I've come around to it
03:37:32 [AaronSw]
Cool.
03:40:10 [sbp]
I'd like the recursion depth limit to be raised
03:40:43 [AaronSw]
go stackless dude!
03:41:11 [AaronSw]
i was reading http://www.stackless.com/ today and now i'm all about the stackless.
03:41:24 [AaronSw]
do that stackless: dooooooooooooooooooooo
03:41:57 [sbp]
Oh man, what have you found now...
03:43:54 [sbp]
ooh:-
03:43:55 [sbp]
[[[
03:43:55 [sbp]
Unlimited recursion
03:43:55 [sbp]
100% binary compatible to Standard Python 1.5.2 and Python 2.0
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8-10% faster executable on Win32
03:43:56 [sbp]
]]]
03:45:03 [sbp]
But only 2.0?
03:45:19 [sbp]
They should get the Proper Python to go stackless
03:45:28 [AaronSw]
Yeah, they hope to.
03:45:35 [AaronSw]
He's on 2.1 now.
03:45:43 [deltab]
CPython, it's called
03:46:03 [AaronSw]
CPython, Jython (formerly JPython) and Stackless Python, right?
03:46:04 [sbp]
.google CPython
03:46:05 [xena]
CPython: http://www.jython.org/docs/differences.html
03:46:20 [AaronSw]
He submitted a PEP, as i recall
03:46:26 [deltab]
right, plus a few other iirc
03:46:36 [AaronSw]
there are more?!
03:46:42 [sbp]
ah: http://python.sourceforge.net/peps/pep-0219.html
03:46:57 [AaronSw]
it's under consideration for 2.3
03:47:15 [AaronSw]
Well, they did implement generators, so there's some hope.
03:50:48 [AaronSw]
Heh, he thanks Guido for "still not sending the Spanish Inquisition..."
03:57:30 [AaronSw]
lol: http://python.sourceforge.net/peps/pep-0666.html
03:57:34 [AaronSw]
notice the number of the pep
03:58:27 [AaronSw]
"People who mix tabs and spaces, naturally, will find that their
03:58:27 [AaronSw]
programs do not run. Alas, we haven't found a way to give them an
03:58:27 [AaronSw]
electric shock as from a cattle prod remotely. (Though if somebody
03:58:27 [AaronSw]
finds out a way to do this, I will be pleased to add this option to
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the PEP.)"
04:01:57 [sbp]
Gotta run
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05:39:27 [AaronSw]
BLURB:I am not Aaron Carter!
05:39:32 [chumpster]
C: I am not Aaron Carter! from AaronSw
05:40:00 [AaronSw]
C::I'm getting emails from female [Aaron Carter|http://www.aaron-carter.com/] fans. Ah, the perils of Google...
05:40:02 [chumpster]
commented item C
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06:10:42 [AaronSw]
Heh, heh. David Pogue: "Hey, kids, have you heard? It's new, from the makers of SimCity. It's the crazy business-simulation game that's got everyone talking: SimApple!"
06:53:37 [atariboy]
lol
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10:06:11 [hazmat]
split
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14:47:55 [AaronSw]
howdy
14:55:18 [AaronSw]
AaronSw has changed the topic to: Home of the evil hacker underground.
14:55:23 [AaronSw]
AaronSw has changed the topic to: Home of the evil hacker underground. NOT!
15:27:41 [cIRCuser]
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15:28:10 [cIRCuser]
hi folks
15:29:43 [cIRCuser]
hi all
15:29:58 [AaronSw]
IRCing as root?
15:30:04 [cIRCuser]
where are yo ???
15:30:23 [AaronSw]
why's it matter?
15:30:42 [AaronSw]
AaronSw has changed the topic to: Home of the nonexistant global RDF conspiracy
15:31:00 [cIRCuser]
cause im mad
15:31:21 [cIRCuser]
whats RDF
15:31:32 [AaronSw]
.google rdf
15:31:34 [xena]
rdf: http://www.w3.org/RDF
15:32:18 [cIRCuser]
few word but i _stand
15:37:52 [cIRCuser]
can yo make somthin with my login as root
15:40:10 [AaronSw]
well, if someone hacks your client they got root on your box
15:48:24 [cIRCuser]
someone know about PIM (ip 103) ???
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16:38:07 [AaronSw]
howdy
16:38:35 [sbp]
Hi there
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16:41:54 [sbp]
ugh: http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:www.tech-report.com/onearticle.x/3296
16:42:00 [sbp]
someone stole the iLamp
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16:42:25 [AaronSw]
heh
16:42:36 [AaronSw]
more faithful readers?
16:43:57 [sbp]
Heh, heh. Perhaps
16:44:00 [sbp]
[[[
16:44:00 [sbp]
No need. It is just obvious that there would be fewer lines/productions in
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the grammar using only qualified attributes. I think this is hugely
16:44:01 [sbp]
irrelevant. The Python grammar is vastly more complex than the grammar for C,
16:44:01 [sbp]
but guess which language most users tend to prefer actually *using*?
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]]] - Uche
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mid:200201110427.g0B4RBP09350@localhost.localdomain (usrtc-pool-194.prolynx.com)
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16:58:11 [AaronSw]
hmm
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16:59:56 [AaronSw]
PFPS: "By the ``people that matter'', I don't mean just Pat and myself, I mean anyone who wants to implement or work with the formalism."
17:00:06 [AaronSw]
I know who that would be! (Pat and himself?) ;-)
17:00:34 [sbp]
lol
17:01:43 [AaronSw]
I don't see how a contradiction allows you to conclude it's snowing.
17:03:49 [AaronSw]
i guess it's based on the first part is false principle
17:04:18 [sbp]
depends upon the contradiction
17:04:53 [sbp]
if I say that it is not snowing, and you say "well look out the window, it clearly is" and you are proven right, then that allows any observer to conclude that it is snowing
17:05:11 [AaronSw]
yeah, but we're talking paradoxes here.
17:05:44 [sbp]
Ah. They're just unresolvable contradictions
17:06:04 [AaronSw]
sandro is arguing parasoxes are ok
17:11:09 [AaronSw]
i'm worried that the TM/RDF thing is going to be unresolvable: each group will want to eat the other
17:11:29 [sbp]
like a snake?
17:11:52 [sbp]
oh, is that where Python comes in?
17:11:58 [AaronSw]
ooh, maybe.
17:23:09 [sbp]
heh: http://tane.cream.org/files/crashxp.cpp
17:24:33 [AaronSw]
lol
17:25:33 [AaronSw]
i wonder if the python version would work too
17:25:53 [AaronSw]
What do you think of SA's new book?
17:26:00 [AaronSw]
SA = Scott Adams
17:29:31 [sbp]
heh: http://www.dilbert.com/comics/dilbert/archive/images/dilbert20021828040103.gif
17:29:38 [sbp]
which one? He's bought out another one?
17:29:56 [AaronSw]
this one is a bout theology
17:29:59 [AaronSw]
i chumped it
17:30:02 [AaronSw]
it's serious, apparently
17:31:36 [sbp]
ah, that's been out for a while
17:31:40 [sbp]
seems quite good
17:31:50 [AaronSw]
lol! <mid:mailman.1010759724.4703.python-list@python.org>
17:32:15 [sbp]
heh! that is funny
17:32:30 [sbp]
what an odd looking mid
17:32:44 [AaronSw]
no, i put braces around it
17:32:52 [AaronSw]
braces mean the resource identified by the mid
17:33:26 [sbp]
yeah, but the mid is funny too
17:33:43 [AaronSw]
here: <http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&selm=mailman.1010759724.4703.python-list%40python.org>
17:34:13 [AaronSw]
next time you can do it yourself
17:34:44 [AaronSw]
in response to a fellow who thought self. was too long and wanted my.
17:35:10 [AaronSw]
i miss the python-dev summaries
17:36:15 [sbp]
heh, that is funny
17:36:40 [AaronSw]
why did guido release 2.1.2c1 yesterday?
17:37:57 [sbp]
I have no idea. Is this the start of a joke?
17:38:24 [AaronSw]
heh, no, apparently: http://www.python.org/2.1.2/
17:38:32 [AaronSw]
because he wanted to get to the other version number?
17:39:44 [AaronSw]
soon there'll be 2.2.1 i'm sure
17:40:30 [AaronSw]
Oh, right, I forgot about Pippy.
17:40:44 [AaronSw]
There's CPython, Jython, Stackless Python and Pippy.
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17:41:51 [AaronSw]
hey, cool
17:41:59 [AaronSw]
Henry Minsky got my message on the teletype!
17:43:08 [AaronSw]
What he's doing sounds really cool.
17:43:30 [AaronSw]
argh, i wish my teeth didn't hurt so much so i could eat something
17:46:21 [AaronSw]
Neat, SWML is the SignWriting Markup Language, for signers.
17:58:39 [AaronSw]
http://logicerror.com/myIdealServer
18:12:35 [AaronSw]
danbri: "Of course a bunch of us on the semantic web team think RSS 1.0 is the best thing since sliced bread, but that's kind of different :)"
18:15:42 [AaronSw]
Do these people have different keyboards than me? l is not the rightmost letter on the top row....
18:16:42 [AaronSw]
i guess it is on a dvorak keyboard
18:17:22 [AaronSw]
I think elf is doing t hat just to confuse us
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18:22:05 [AaronSw]
Tim Peters: "No, it's Good versus Evil, and the Evil Ones must die. At least on Usenet."
18:24:52 [AaronSw]
lol: time it takes java to run the "hello world" program: 114.72 seconds
18:25:13 [AaronSw]
- http://www.bagley.org/~doug/shootout/bench/hello/
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ooh, RAM came
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19:28:55 [AaronSw]
interesting: http://www.betanews.com/article.php3?sid=1010582492
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usb ports, eh
19:49:02 [hazmat]
deltab: http://www.paulgraham.com/lib/paulgraham/sec.txt
19:49:08 [hazmat]
aaghh.
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E: http://www.paulgraham.com/lib/paulgraham/sec.txt
19:49:21 [hazmat]
forget it.
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* sbp plays Sgt. Pepper's
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argh: """Please wait just a minute while our server prepares to serve your request.
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""" - http://blogspace.com/swhack/chatlogs/2002-01-11.txt
20:06:23 [sbp]
heh: http://www.bagley.org/~doug/shootout/bench/hello/
20:09:07 [sbp]
logster, grep www.w3.org.*test.txt
20:10:03 [logster]
I'm logging. I found 1 answer for 'www.w3.org.*test.txt'
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0) 2002-01-11 20:09:07 <sbp> logster, grep www.w3.org.*test.txt
20:10:08 [AaronSw]
what, are you too lazy to wait just a minute?!
20:10:08 [sbp]
HTTP should be instant. Your server sucks
20:10:08 [AaronSw]
Heh, heh.
20:10:08 [AaronSw]
It's those RSS people.
20:10:18 [sbp]
Can't you fix the RegExps?
20:10:26 [sbp]
Oh, I guess that's why you want to move the RSS stuff :-)
20:10:29 [AaronSw]
i doubt it
20:10:42 [AaronSw]
Yeah, but I'm not sure whose links I should break.
20:10:56 [AaronSw]
well... just redirect, not break
20:10:58 [sbp]
good point
20:11:29 [AaronSw]
i think i'll probably just redirect blogspace.com/rss/* to rss.blogspace.com
20:11:40 [AaronSw]
'twas my original intention anyway
20:13:05 [AaronSw]
maybe i should do that now
20:13:23 [sbp]
man, I love this album
20:13:37 [AaronSw]
which one is that?
20:13:47 [sbp]
I remember when I first got it - played it continually. Usually I play music a lot when I get it, but I just couldn't stop
20:13:53 [sbp]
the greatest album ever
20:14:01 [AaronSw]
Oh, that one.
20:14:05 [sbp]
yeah
20:14:15 [AaronSw]
Sgt. Pepper
20:14:18 [AaronSw]
;-)
20:14:50 [AaronSw]
!playing
20:14:52 [AaronSw]
hmm
20:15:23 [AaronSw]
.seen AaronSw 2
20:15:25 [xena]
AaronSw seen in #nowplaying saying: [ Now Playing: , "hair soundtrack - Let The Sunshine In" ] ~ 25 sec(s) ago
20:15:29 [AaronSw]
cool
20:16:10 [sbp]
* sbp is currently on "Fixing A Hole"
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Sheeee (is leaving)
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Hoooooome
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We never thought of ourselves...
20:20:29 [AaronSw]
aren't those two different album?
20:20:36 [sbp]
Um... no
20:20:56 [sbp]
And of course Henry the horse dances the waltz!
20:22:33 [AaronSw]
i was just joking... of course Abbey Road is the best album.
20:22:41 [sbp]
argh, why won't urllib2 let you change the opener in urllib2.OpenerDirector()?
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in build_opener rather
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Abbey Road: many people say so
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"she came in thru the bathroom window..."'
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"oh yeah alright, are you gonna be in my dreams, tonight"
20:55:05 [AaronSw]
hmm, one of the Chord variables is named sbp
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heh, heh
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it seems important, but i can't figure out what it does
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* sbp does a bit of history
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21:52:48 [AaronSw]
what history would that be?
21:53:13 [AaronSw]
re: * sbp does a bit of history
22:00:06 [AaronSw]
which symbol means inclusive? [ or )... like in (42, 5]
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22:17:16 [AaronSw]
time to shut down... c'ya all
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* sbp is very pleased at the quality of the nwe episodes of Frasier
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* sbp plays "Nightingale"
22:33:03 [sbp]
Hmm... new arrangement
22:33:43 [sbp]
two and a half minutes - not bad
22:34:26 [sbp]
<AaronSw> what history would that be?
22:34:35 [sbp]
just sorting out some songs
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23:28:57 [sbp]
cool, he got the quote (almost) right :-)
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* sbp plays "Honey Pie"
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