IRC log of swhack on 2002-01-08

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02:17:44 [AaronSw]
howdy!
02:17:52 [AaronSw]
i have returned
02:18:10 [AaronSw]
and don't dare tell me what apple announced
02:18:17 [AaronSw]
ugh, perhaps i should quit now
02:18:40 [AaronSw]
i miss london already
02:19:38 [sbp]
Guess what Apple announced?
02:19:45 [sbp]
Heh, heh. Only the iLamp
02:21:26 [AaronSw]
heh
02:24:08 [AaronSw]
wow, 1000 new messages... 1019
02:25:48 [AaronSw]
.time gmt
02:25:49 [xena]
Jan. 8, 2002 2:27 am GMT
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02:29:52 [AaronSw]
hmm, iPhoto seems pretty cool
02:31:58 [BenSW]
Hello\
02:32:07 [sbp]
Hi
02:37:06 [AaronSw]
"Shoot like Ansel. Organize like Martha."
02:37:19 [BenSW]
* BenSW goes over to Aaron and watches keynote
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03:18:02 [AaronSw]
Hmm, the new iMac does look like a lamp. ;-)
03:20:26 [sbp]
the new iLamp
03:20:52 [sbp]
Man, I read this article about Koza's GA inventions thing, on SciAm, but now I can't find it
03:21:07 [AaronSw]
Koza?
03:21:18 [sbp]
John Koza
03:21:23 [AaronSw]
I've got a zillion things to chump from the plane, but i'm too tired to dig up the links right now...
03:21:37 [AaronSw]
.google sciam koza
03:21:39 [xena]
sciam koza: http://www.sciam.com/1096issue/1096techbus3.html
03:22:09 [AaronSw]
GA = Genetic Algorithms?
03:23:11 [sbp]
yes
03:23:43 [sbp]
@ http://www.worldlink.co.uk/stories/storyReader$336
03:23:47 [sbp]
that's close enough
03:23:52 [chumpster]
A: http://www.worldlink.co.uk/stories/storyReader$336 from sbp
03:24:07 [sbp]
A:|Darwin Goes Digital
03:24:08 [chumpster]
titled item A
03:24:43 [sbp]
A::Using genetic algorithms to invent things - optimum design
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commented item A
03:26:50 [sbp]
A::An important precept is that you have a machine which can not only invent optimum things using genetic algorithms, you can also avoid the trees that are patented
03:27:19 [chumpster]
commented item A
03:27:38 [deltab]
there are patents on trees now?
03:27:38 [deltab]
sheesh
03:28:01 [AaronSw]
better get out the chainsaws before hte lawyers get here
03:28:45 [sbp]
Heh, heh
03:30:08 [sbp]
A::cf. [http://www.aaai.org/AITopics/html/genalg.html|Genetic Algorithm]
03:30:31 [chumpster]
commented item A
03:30:31 [sbp]
Argh, I just can't find the article that I was reading. Bizarre. It was only a couple of days ago
03:31:39 [AaronSw]
It's not the sciam one that my google seatch brought up?
03:32:03 [sbp]
Nope
03:32:23 [sbp]
Perhaps it wasn't SciAm
03:35:18 [sbp]
Ah, it was NewScientist
03:35:39 [AaronSw]
ah, much better mag, i hear
03:35:39 [AaronSw]
sciam really sucks these days.
03:35:59 [AaronSw]
it's practically a tabloid
03:36:24 [sbp]
Heh, I *still* can't find it
03:37:03 [sbp]
Aha! Got it!
03:37:03 [sbp]
@ http://www.newscientist.com/hottopics/quantum/quantum.jsp?id=22744000
03:37:13 [chumpster]
B: http://www.newscientist.com/hottopics/quantum/quantum.jsp?id=22744000 from sbp
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B:|The Ideas Machine
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titled item B
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B::"""as Dyson points out, the first patent was granted in 1449, so maybe it's time for a bit of a shake-up"""
03:38:35 [chumpster]
commented item B
04:16:17 [sbp]
Aaron, can you be canonical about links to http://www.plexdev.org/ ?
04:16:27 [sbp]
is it www.plexdev.org or just plexdev.org ?
04:16:54 [AaronSw]
Yeah, we need to fix that.
04:17:38 [deltab]
just plexdev.org
04:18:11 [sbp]
Wow, Edutella is pretty neat
04:19:30 [AaronSw]
yeah
04:19:40 [AaronSw]
it's in my chumping buffer
04:21:26 [sbp]
Just put an "@ " in front of the URIs, and paste 'em in!
04:26:32 [sbp]
Yo, where's that eep photo gone?
04:26:42 [sbp]
logster, grep 1-8 eep
04:28:14 [logster]
I'm logging. I found 537 answers for 'eep' (showing 1...8)
04:28:15 [logster]
1) 2002-01-08 04:26:32 <sbp> Yo, where's that eep photo gone?
04:28:16 [logster]
2) 2002-01-06 23:05:20 <sbp> Of course, #swhack folklore does run a bit deeper than that...
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3) 2002-01-06 17:23:14 <sbp> I think that we have a real chance this year, if the judges keep open-minded
04:28:18 [logster]
4) 2002-01-06 02:34:09 <sbp> The Longest Day was a while ago, and yet the sun seems to keep setting earlier. I guess it's getting light much earlier
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5) 2002-01-05 23:22:47 <AaronSw-UK> AaronSw-UK has quit ("sleep")
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6) 2002-01-05 23:22:23 <AaronSw-UK> ok, i'm going to sleep now
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7) 2002-01-05 22:28:37 <AaronSw-UK> It was too hard to keep up, really.
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8) 2002-01-05 16:47:00 <sbp> To keep the theme running
04:28:24 [AaronSw]
eep photo?
04:28:24 [sbp]
yeah, the photo of the eep
04:28:24 [AaronSw]
oh, that
04:28:27 [sbp]
oh, man
04:28:32 [sbp]
logster, grep 1-8 \seep
04:28:44 [logster]
I'm logging. I found 11 answers for '\seep' (showing 1...8)
04:28:45 [logster]
1) 2002-01-08 04:28:24 <AaronSw> eep photo?
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2) 2002-01-08 04:26:42 <sbp> logster, grep 1-8 eep
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3) 2002-01-08 04:26:32 <sbp> Yo, where's that eep photo gone?
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4) 2001-12-24 04:38:24 <AaronSw> Photos of the wild eep at http://www.macaddict.com/artgallery/eeps3.html
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5) 2001-12-24 04:37:40 <AaronSw> used "meep" in ... the error tone to be a "wild eep" instead of a beep.
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6) 2001-12-24 04:37:16 <xena> "wild eep" history: http://www.personal.u-net.com/~blacksun/cosmic1.htm
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7) 2001-12-24 04:37:15 <AaronSw> .google "wild eep" history
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8) 2001-12-24 04:34:13 <AaronSw> <sbp> # Where do eeps roam?
04:29:47 [BenSW]
YIPPIE
04:30:20 [tav`]
heya ben
04:30:34 [tav`]
nice meeting you btw
04:30:50 [sbp]
* sbp waves
04:31:51 [BenSW]
hi
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04:41:14 [AaronSw]
sleep
04:41:52 [sbp]
pardon?
04:42:17 [sbp]
Hey, it's only 4:43 over here, you should be up for a couple more hours yet, due to jetlag!
04:44:57 [AaronSw]
It doesn't look like just any old lamp: it looks like Luxo Jr.
04:45:05 [AaronSw]
AaronSw has changed the topic to: It doesn't look like just any old lamp: it looks like Luxo Jr.
04:45:52 [sbp]
.google "Luxo Jr."
04:45:54 [xena]
"Luxo Jr.": http://www.pixar.com/shorts/ljr
04:46:41 [sbp]
Patent infringment!
04:47:36 [sbp]
Heh, if you could put a little face on the iLamp, and make it say "boo!", you'd be there
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Heh, what a topic. That has to be your best since "Breakfast, Beatles, and Berlin"
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Gotta run
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hmm, jetlag
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@ http://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/*,access*
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C: http://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/*,access* from AaronSw
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C:|The Lost DesignIssues
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C::(i.e. those not linked from [/DesignIssues/|http://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/].)
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C::[Anonymous|http://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/Anonymous], [DistObjApps|http://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/DistObjApps], [More|http://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/More]
10:42:04 [AaronSw]
C::Old DesignIssues: [DosDonts|http://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/DosDonts], [FunctionTraverse|http://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/FunctionTraverse], [Identified|http://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/Identified] (especially interesting in like of the "semantics of Resources" discussions),
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titled item C
10:42:05 [AaronSw]
C::[Intelligent_Navigation|http://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/Intelligent_Navigation] (essentially describes Google -- in Feb. 1995), [LinkToLiving|http://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/LinkToLiving] (shades of XPointer), [MOO-WWW|http://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/MOO-WWW],
10:42:06 [chumpster]
commented item C
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commented item C
10:42:09 [AaronSw]
C::[ManyIndexes|http://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/ManyIndexes], [ProtocolProblems|http://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/ProtocolProblems], [Protocolcomms|http://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/Protocolcomms], [RComments|http://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/RCcomments], [TracingLinks|http://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/TracingLinks]
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commented item C
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commented item C
10:42:13 [AaronSw]
C::Note that many of these are linked from other places, and are not really "lost", but I include them all for completeness.
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10:42:16 [AaronSw]
C::TimBL seems to have [started a book|http://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/TimBook-old/] in 1993-4.
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commented item C
10:42:36 [AaronSw]
@ http://www.oss4lib.org/readings/interview-everitt-manheimer-2001-03.php
10:42:36 [AaronSw]
D::A very interesting interview about how RDF, Dublin Core, librarians and Wikis can work together with Zope. I can only hope that Zope3 is flexible enough to let this stuff take off.
10:42:36 [AaronSw]
D::Man, [Rael|http://www.oreillynet.com/~rael/] just has his hands in everything!
10:42:36 [AaronSw]
D::Although [the story|htp://logicerror.com/semanticWeb-long] is rather linear, the building of these things is rather hypertextual. We're building the Plex when we don't have the Semantic Web, the Semantic Web when we don't have integrated metadata, integrated metadata when we don't have the two-way Web, etc.
10:42:40 [chumpster]
D: oss4lib -- An Interview with Paul Everitt and Ken Manheimer from AaronSw
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10:47:10 [AaronSw]
BLURB:Software Development Thoughts
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E::--
10:47:10 [AaronSw]
E::Our design sucks, but we'll build it anyway.
10:47:10 [AaronSw]
E::Our code sucks, but we'll ship it anyway.
10:47:10 [AaronSw]
E::Our system sucks, but we'll tell folks about it anyway.
10:47:11 [AaronSw]
E::And we'll try our best to make it suck less.
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E: Software Development Thoughts from AaronSw
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E::--
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commented item E
10:47:15 [AaronSw]
E::It's just like Dave [always says|http://davenet.userland.com/1995/09/03/wemakeshittysoftware]. Your stuff is never going to be perfect, but you still need to get it out there. *When in doubt, ship it out.*
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commented item E
10:47:18 [AaronSw]
E::As [Torvalds says|http://kerneltrap.org/article.php?sid=398], software isn't planned, it evolves.
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10:47:49 [AaronSw]
@ http://www.viridiandesign.org/notes/251-300/00283_geeks_and_spooks.html
10:47:49 [AaronSw]
F::Bruce Sterling explains why our crypto situation sucks (ignoring P2P) and why the war on terrorism is a hoax.
10:47:49 [AaronSw]
F::It's definitely a fun read.
10:48:05 [chumpster]
F: http://www.viridiandesign.org/notes/251-300/00283_geeks_and_spooks.html from AaronSw
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10:48:15 [AaronSw]
@ http://edutella.jxta.org/
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G::Very much like the Plex. I'm emailing them to see how we can work together.
10:48:15 [AaronSw]
G::See also their [CETIS interview|http://www.cetis.ac.uk/content/20010927163232/viewArticle].
10:48:22 [chumpster]
G: http://edutella.jxta.org/ from AaronSw
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F:|Viridian Note: Geeks and Spooks
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G:|Edutella
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10:51:50 [AaronSw]
@ http://www.ai.mit.edu/people/dquan/haystack.html
10:51:50 [AaronSw]
H::Describes the [MIT Haystack project|http://haystack.lcs.mit.edu/]. A very interesting use of RDF to organize your personal files. Ties in well with [Be's metadata filesystem|http://blogspace.com/swhack/weblog/2001/12/20/#i1008875416.130779] and my thoughts about the Plex for desktops.
10:51:58 [chumpster]
H: An Ontology for Personal Information Stores from AaronSw
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@ http://www.edge.org/documents/archive/edge70.html
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I:|The Second Coming ‹ A Manifesto
11:03:25 [AaronSw]
I::Another oldie-but-a-goodie. Gelernter has moved away from the nitty-gritty and is now focusing on the problems of UI -- how do we get this technology into our lives. Man, so many interesting problems and so little time.
11:03:25 [AaronSw]
I::I had this epiphany (current UI sucks!) after reading [Ted Nelson's "The Future of Information"|http://www.sfc.keio.ac.jp/~ted/INFUTscans/INFUT_ExplPage.html] in the days before school in the Summer of 2000. I put together a little hypertext after reading it, the only remains of which seem to be [What's Wrong With Software?|http://get.theinfo.org/whatsWrongWithSoftware] I really liked Ted's spiral calendar design -- it'd be very cool if Lifestreams ad
11:03:29 [AaronSw]
I::I love this line: "Any well-designed next-generation electronic gadget will come with a 'Disable Omniscience' button."
11:03:30 [AaronSw]
I::Lifestreams reminds me of [Paper Trails|http://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/PaperTrail]: "These vapor-trails of crystallized experience will represent our first concrete answer to a hard question: what *is* a company, a university, any sort of ongoing organization or institution, if its staff and customers and owners can all change, its buildings be bulldozed, its site relocated ‹ what's left? What *is* it? The answer: a lifestream in cyberspace."
11:03:32 [chumpster]
I: http://www.edge.org/documents/archive/edge70.html from AaronSw
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I::He also mentions the harness-human-power idea I came up with a while back: "Software can solve hard problems [...] by delivering the problem to exactly the right human problem-solver."
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I:|The Second Coming -- A Manifesto
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14:43:25 [AaronSw]
My representative says he will review the SSSCA when it is introduced.
14:43:44 [AaronSw]
He sounds like he'll do the right thing, tho.
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14:59:25 [AaronSw]
tav, you been able to chat with oierw's mom yet?
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@ http://www.w3.org/2002/01/rdf-databases/federation
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J: http://www.w3.org/2002/01/rdf-databases/federation from AaronSw
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J:|RDF Database Federations
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titled item J
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J::This was how I first evisioned the Plex working (sorta).
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15:42:20 [AaronSw]
TIME Magazine: "The machine bears an uncanny resemblance to Luxo Jr.-the fun-loving, computer-animated swing-arm lamp that starred in a short film by Pixar, the fabled computer-animation studio that Jobs runs. (Pixar creative chief John Lasseter has also made the first new iMac ad.)"
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16:12:55 [AaronSw]
How to do /etc/hosts on Mac OS X (macosx MacOS X): http://www.macwrite.com/criticalmass/mac-os-x-hosts-revisited.php
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16:55:35 [AaronSw]
Umm, OK
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A nice shade of blue
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Dont worry im not really away
16:59:46 [sbp]
Uh huh?
17:03:09 [sbp]
Argh, I'm trying to come up with a color scheme for a document with a very dark background color
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The problem is, I'm using light blue for the links, and orange for the caption
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But now I'm trying to set the color of the h1 heading, and it's impossible - no color looks right. Blue looks the best, but then the color is practically indistinguishable from that of links
17:05:07 [sbp]
Hmm... #33cccc is alright, I guess
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* sbp settles on very-light-blue
17:13:23 [AaronSw]
When we were visiting Carnaby street there was a store called G - #FFFFFF
17:14:26 [sbp]
cool
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@ http://hotwired.lycos.com/webmonkey/00/37/index2a.html
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K: Death of the Websafe Color Palette? from sbp
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K:|Questioning the Websafe Palette
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titled item K
17:17:23 [sbp]
The great thing about the chump is that you get to retitle documents :-) People don't know unless they follow the links
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anyway...
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K::I'd suspected for a while that the Websafe palette is just a PITA. This article explores the World o' Websafe
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commented item K
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K?
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You've been busy
17:24:58 [AaronSw]
Yeah, that was my backlog.
17:31:51 [AaronSw]
is this websafe thing the reason debian.org looks so bad on my browser?
17:32:13 [AaronSw]
man, i like european time. i feel like i've wasted the whole day but it isn't even noon yet!
17:32:24 [sbp]
Heh, heh
17:34:45 [AaronSw]
Canada: Our Eskimo Neighbors to the South
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P'on?
17:35:14 [AaronSw]
That's what Americans say.
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Uh huh?
17:37:00 [sbp]
Ooh, you're closing down channels
17:37:05 [AaronSw]
I am.
17:37:21 [sbp]
You are
17:37:27 [AaronSw]
Indeed.
17:37:53 [sbp]
Well then I'm happy for you
17:40:43 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw wonders why the files are disappearing from the Finder view.
17:41:07 [AaronSw]
Aargh! they reallt are gone
17:41:18 [AaronSw]
oh phew, no they're not
17:42:11 [AaronSw]
something strange is going on
17:43:51 [AaronSw]
hmm, my hard drive isn't full -- perhaps it's corrupt?
17:48:21 [AaronSw]
hmm, relaunching the finder seems to have fixed things
17:48:29 [AaronSw]
looks like its prefs were corrupt
17:51:28 [sbp]
That was also not the estimation of the problem and situation that was mine
17:51:47 [sbp]
or somethingorother
17:54:25 [sbp]
Ah, they should call it the iLuxoJr
17:54:36 [AaronSw]
Heh.
18:00:56 [AaronSw]
Hmm, this guy was on the Beatles Walk with us: http://danielfaber.com/
18:03:18 [AaronSw]
An interesting juxtoposition of photos on this page: http://rachelleshaw.com/office.html
18:04:42 [sbp]
And now it's time for...
18:04:50 [sbp]
sbp's Strategies!
18:04:56 [sbp]
[musical introduction]
18:05:12 [AaronSw]
So, sbp, tell the audience your three secrets of exercise!
18:05:16 [sbp]
Now, today I have been plotting teaching childeren other languages from a young age
18:05:34 [AaronSw]
Oh.
18:05:36 [sbp]
exercise: move your body, move it quickly, move it till you're tired
18:05:49 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw laughs.
18:05:59 [sbp]
Now, the main stumbling block when learning a new language is getting the genders right
18:06:10 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw wonders what this null2root.ppt file on his hard drive is.
18:06:18 [sbp]
So, I have come up with an approach to teach *your* kids the *right* way (patent pending)
18:06:35 [sbp]
All you have to do is address objects around the home as if they were people
18:06:48 [sbp]
So, "Jimmy, put Mr. Butter dish back in Mrs. Fridge"
18:07:01 [AaronSw]
You can't get a patent on that! I've been doing that for years.
18:07:07 [sbp]
Now, there are advantages and disadvantages to this approach
18:07:22 [sbp]
[Well me too, and I'm older than you]
18:08:00 [sbp]
The primary disadvantage is that when your kids go to school for the first time, the experience will be made worse 'cause th other kids are bound to beat the crap out of them when they refer to the chair as "Mr. Chair"
18:08:24 [sbp]
Of course, you can do a pre-emptive strike on this, by telling them not to use the titles when at school
18:08:37 [sbp]
The advantage is that they will pick up new languages more quickly
18:09:00 [sbp]
Of course, it helps if you actually know the genders of the objects in whatever language you expect them to learn first
18:09:15 [AaronSw]
The other alternative is to just make everything female in the language you want to learn.
18:09:23 [AaronSw]
Less pain that way, but you get some funny looks.
18:09:31 [sbp]
That's a very good idea!
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logster, where am i?
18:10:04 [Morbus]
See http://blogspace.com/swhack/chatlogs/2002-01-08#T18-10-01
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18:10:20 [AaronSw]
You are lost in a maze of twisty IRC channels, all alike.
18:10:56 [sbp]
This one is more alike than others, though
18:12:04 [sbp]
- #swhack: Morbus Woz 'Ere
18:13:15 [sbp]
http://rachelleshaw.com/office.html ?
18:13:22 [sbp]
A dentists with video games?
18:13:41 [AaronSw]
Yeah, exactly
18:14:02 [sbp]
And she's smiling!
18:15:30 [sbp]
* sbp listens to "Fool In The Rain"
18:17:06 [sbp]
I've never really worked out why people fear the dentists so much. I mean, as long as your teeth aren't too bad, all they do is prod them a bit, and say "a O.K., b O.K." for a while. Ooh, and then you can drink that cool pink liquid stuff, and they say "you're meant to spit it!". Cool stuff
18:17:21 [AaronSw]
Heh heh.
18:17:31 [AaronSw]
Unless you have a cavity or something.
18:17:33 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw reads MIT-LCS-TR-819
18:18:24 [sbp]
Yeah, then they're all like, "you didn't brush, did you? You didn't floss? Have you been eating *food* again? You know that rots your teeth. Now I'm going to have to hack your gums apart, and it's going to bleed everywhere. You've been a naughty little boy"
18:18:39 [sbp]
Acutally, my dentist is pretty cool
18:18:45 [AaronSw]
Yeah, there's that bit, but I mostly get that at the orthodontist.
18:18:51 [sbp]
Heh, yeah
18:19:00 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw uses a screwdriver to poke bits of food out of his braces.
18:19:19 [sbp]
Did you ever have to have a teeth impression thing taken? A cast? I love that gel stuff. Made from seaweed, apparently
18:19:26 [sbp]
But it makes me want to eat it
18:19:42 [sbp]
I'm like, "mustn't swallow, mustn't swallow!"
18:19:54 [AaronSw]
Yeah, i had one of those. The first time I threw it all up over the dentist's lavish offices. We quickly found a new dentist
18:20:01 [sbp]
lol
18:22:54 [sbp]
Did you once mention the word "Python" when you came to visit? Did I for that matter?
18:23:16 [sbp]
I presume that you tape recorded the whole thing, and that transcripts are already on the Web
18:23:17 [AaronSw]
I don't think we mentioned many words at all.
18:23:24 [sbp]
True
18:23:29 [AaronSw]
yeah, now you can play guess-the-url
18:23:34 [sbp]
Ooh!
18:24:03 [AaronSw]
Actually, I haven't uploaded it yet...
18:24:05 [sbp]
well, it's either on swartzfam, blogspace, or logicerror. Why do you have so many damn domains! Anyway... I'll guess that it's on blogspace
18:24:16 [sbp]
I guess that it will be on blogspace, although now you'll change it
18:24:46 [AaronSw]
I think I need a new domain name for all the annoying RSS stuff. Or maybe for everything else.
18:25:02 [sbp]
rssdev.org
18:25:14 [sbp]
aaronsrssorama.org
18:25:17 [AaronSw]
I was saving that for RSS-DEV stuff.
18:25:23 [AaronSw]
(to rssdev.org)
18:25:27 [sbp]
uh huh
18:27:34 [sbp]
Oh for a T3 line, a decent server, and lots of cash
18:28:12 [sbp]
Of course, infomesh.net is one a decent server with a T3 line (or better)
18:28:19 [sbp]
But I don't have lots of cash
18:28:27 [sbp]
s/one/on/
18:30:59 [sbp]
I decided that I don't like Freenet, after it continued to refuse to work
18:31:28 [sbp]
Plex had better be... well... better
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We're too topical. I just decided
18:45:09 [sbp]
.google when hungry eat thirsty drink Zen
18:45:11 [xena]
when hungry eat thirsty drink Zen: http://www.taopage.org/order.html
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Hello
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20:31:01 [AaronSw]
What's all the cash for?
20:31:05 [AaronSw]
(to sbp)
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Note to self: Phone Joshua Quittner for fawning press blurb on next project
21:23:52 [sbp]
come again?
21:24:00 [AaronSw]
cf. http://www.time.com/time/covers/1101020114/cover.html
21:24:16 [sbp]
Ooh! I got some of your Python porn spam!
21:24:38 [AaronSw]
Heh.
21:25:47 [sbp]
Ew, it's rather disgusting, too
21:26:08 [sbp]
(I mean, just the email. To scared now to follow the link)
21:26:18 [sbp]
In the bin it goes (already gone)
21:27:26 [AaronSw]
Heh, heh, heh
21:27:34 [AaronSw]
Man, this guy is totally paranoid about speed: http://techupdate.zdnet.com/techupdate/stories/main/0,14179,2836041,00.html
21:27:42 [sbp]
aha: """The machine bears an uncanny resemblance to Luxo Jr.—the fun-loving, computer-animated swing-arm lamp that starred in a short film by Pixar, the fabled computer-animation studio that Jobs runs. (Pixar creative chief John Lasseter has also made the first new iMac ad.) "It looks a little cheeky," says Ive. It looks alive."""
21:27:44 [AaronSw]
I mean, hey dude, you're the one with a time-wasting picture of yourself.
21:27:52 [AaronSw]
I quoted that last night.
21:28:10 [sbp]
Didya? Pff, I must have been out or asleep or something
21:28:21 [AaronSw]
No sleep for you!
21:29:00 [sbp]
It is the iLamp really, isn't it? They *must* rename it: they have no choice
21:29:27 [AaronSw]
Interesting: http://www.apple.com/ilamp/
21:29:42 [sbp]
not found
21:29:47 [AaronSw]
comapre: http://www.apple.com/imac/
21:29:50 [AaronSw]
:-)
21:29:53 [sbp]
But I think that there actually *is* such a thing as an iLamp
21:29:59 [sbp]
.google iLamp
21:30:00 [xena]
iLamp: http://www.theapplecollection.com/iMac/iStore/Tensor_iLamp.html
21:30:04 [sbp]
yep
21:30:08 [AaronSw]
Heh, heh.
21:30:52 [AaronSw]
I'm sure that can be its nickname, like TiBook, iceBook, etc.
21:31:05 [sbp]
If I had one, I may use a lightbulb as the desktop background
21:31:14 [AaronSw]
The photos of it in the Time article are neat -- it'd be cool to have such a flexible monitor.
21:31:25 [AaronSw]
light bulb: awesome!
21:31:30 [sbp]
You know me, I have my monitor low
21:31:46 [AaronSw]
Yeah, so you can "hunker down with a spreadsheet".
21:32:03 [sbp]
heh, heh
21:32:09 [sbp]
.google "hunker down with a spreadsheet"
21:32:09 [xena]
no results found.
21:32:10 [AaronSw]
Hmm, so the Apple line is: Quicksilver, iLamp, TiBook and iceBook.
21:32:17 [AaronSw]
Steve said that when he introduced it.
21:32:18 [sbp]
iPod
21:32:24 [sbp]
Ah
21:32:31 [AaronSw]
oh yeah, and the iPod -- that doesn't have a nickname yet.
21:32:33 [sbp]
Steve? On first name terms, are ya? :-)
21:32:37 [AaronSw]
it's still on rev 1.
21:32:49 [sbp]
Hmm... how about the matchbox
21:32:52 [sbp]
iMatchbox
21:33:04 [AaronSw]
Heh, heh.
21:34:21 [AaronSw]
Which one of these is not like the other ones: http://www.apple.com/imac/images/indexdigitalhub01072002.jpg
21:34:50 [sbp]
Er... the one with the car on it
21:35:02 [sbp]
Hmm... none of them have a car
21:35:12 [AaronSw]
How observant of you.
21:35:18 [sbp]
O.K., the CD with the notes on it
21:35:28 [AaronSw]
Ding!
21:35:31 [AaronSw]
That'd be iTunes.
21:35:41 [sbp]
Indeed?
21:35:55 [AaronSw]
The one and only.
21:36:14 [sbp]
.google iTunes
21:36:15 [xena]
iTunes: http://www.apple.com/itunes
21:36:26 [sbp]
they should stop making things so easy
21:36:41 [AaronSw]
They're all about ease-of-use.
21:36:50 [sbp]
So... um... you really like Macs, don't ya?
21:36:54 [AaronSw]
What will they colonize next? iRDF?
21:37:06 [sbp]
heh
21:37:30 [AaronSw]
I do like my Macs...
21:37:50 [AaronSw]
Macs and Be are really the only machines with any taste.
21:38:06 [sbp]
Do you have a BeOS box?
21:38:16 [AaronSw]
Unfortunately, no... so not sure about that.
21:38:38 [AaronSw]
And it's not really possible to do good work in an OS that makes you throw up all the time. Witness Office for Windows vs. Office for OS X.
21:38:40 [sbp]
How do you measure a great OS?
21:39:12 [AaronSw]
A great OS is one that inspires you to not cut corners.
21:39:29 [AaronSw]
To do things Right.
21:39:47 [sbp]
Please write an article, post it online, etc.
21:39:49 [sbp]
:-)
21:40:07 [AaronSw]
BLURB:What makes a great OS?
21:40:25 [chumpster]
L: What makes a great OS? from AaronSw
21:40:46 [AaronSw]
L::A great OS is one that inspires you to do things Right.
21:40:49 [chumpster]
commented item L
21:40:54 [AaronSw]
A::It needs to have taste, and not cut corners.
21:40:57 [chumpster]
commented item A
21:40:58 [AaronSw]
oops
21:41:01 [AaronSw]
L::It needs to have taste, and not cut corners.
21:41:04 [chumpster]
commented item L
21:41:27 [sbp]
L::A great OS is one that doesn't crash, comes fairly cheap, lets you play with its innards if need be, has protocol and location independence to a certain extent, is bugless, comes with Python pre-installed
21:41:29 [chumpster]
commented item L
21:41:44 [sbp]
etc.
21:42:12 [AaronSw]
L::It's not really possible to do great work in [an OS|http://www.microsoft.com/windows/] that makes you sick all the time.
21:42:13 [chumpster]
commented item L
21:42:20 [sbp]
lol
21:42:31 [AaronSw]
subliminal linking
21:42:52 [sbp]
Or [http://www.apple.com/osx|one] that's impossible to get decent software for
21:43:16 [sbp]
But I won't engage in petty OS bitch fighting :-)
21:43:19 [AaronSw]
L::Try comparing [some Windows apps|http://www.microsoft.com/office/] with [some OS X apps|http://www.microsoft.com/mac/officex/] some time.
21:43:20 [chumpster]
commented item L
21:43:28 [AaronSw]
What software can't you get for OS X?
21:43:36 [AaronSw]
and it's apple.com/macosx
21:43:46 [sbp]
Yeah, but I didn't chump it, so I guessed
21:44:05 [sbp]
and /osx would've been better :-)
21:44:20 [AaronSw]
Name one program that you'd like, but isn't out for OS X.
21:44:32 [sbp]
Hmm...
21:44:40 [sbp]
WinRAR?
21:45:03 [AaronSw]
What's that do?
21:45:20 [sbp]
It's a compression utility
21:45:30 [sbp]
Quite good, too
21:45:41 [AaronSw]
There are RAR compressors for Mac.
21:45:52 [AaronSw]
Mac OS X even comes with one! (Stuffit Expander)
21:46:08 [sbp]
Mmmkay
21:46:13 [sbp]
mIRC?
21:46:13 [AaronSw]
There's also MacRAR: http://macrar.free.fr/
21:46:20 [sbp]
Notepad/Wordpad
21:46:21 [AaronSw]
There's Snak, which is better IMO.
21:46:34 [sbp]
Pff, "better IMO" doesn't cut it. I want mIRC
21:46:45 [AaronSw]
TextEdit for Notepad and Wordpad.
21:46:54 [sbp]
I presume it has all of the *nix utils
21:46:56 [AaronSw]
You can make it act just like mIRC.
21:47:00 [AaronSw]
utils: of course.
21:47:19 [sbp]
what's the directory structure like? I mean, generally
21:47:42 [sbp]
Took me a while to sort a decent one out, and now my computer is just a mess :-)
21:47:59 [AaronSw]
Well, /Applications/, /Users/username/{Pictures, Music, Movies, Library}
21:48:01 [sbp]
Ooh, Amaya
21:48:08 [AaronSw]
fink install amaya
21:48:24 [sbp]
Users: ugh. Only one user on this comp. I hate the bloat associated with multiple users
21:48:26 [AaronSw]
(I never thought he'd be asking for Amaya!)
21:48:31 [AaronSw]
What bloat?
21:48:38 [sbp]
Yeah, Amaya was more of a Joke
21:48:56 [sbp]
well, you get /Users/username crap
21:49:13 [sbp]
But OS' don't usually force that upon AFAICT
21:49:27 [sbp]
s/upon/upon you/
21:49:33 [sbp]
* sbp misses out arbitrary
21:49:43 [AaronSw]
:-)
21:50:05 [AaronSw]
Another benefit to OS X: it wouldn't crash on you every 3 minutes.
21:50:12 [sbp]
Neither does Win
21:50:18 [AaronSw]
Seemed to when I was at your house.
21:50:32 [sbp]
Heh, that was CD-ROM drive related
21:50:39 [sbp]
I've always had problems with that
21:50:43 [AaronSw]
And if your Ping timeouts and Killed by NickServ's are anything to judge by...
21:50:49 [AaronSw]
CDROM: pff, you apologist.
21:50:50 [sbp]
That's my ISP
21:51:08 [AaronSw]
At least on a Mac, if the CD-ROM goes badm you can blame the same company.
21:51:14 [sbp]
heh, heh
21:51:57 [sbp]
that kinda sucks though, companies offering a "package". I wonder if the price deal is any better? I mean, what if I wanted to install a trusted DVD-RAM drive on an iMac?
21:52:06 [AaronSw]
trusted?
21:52:12 [AaronSw]
the iMac comes with DVD-RAM.
21:52:14 [sbp]
yeah, one that I had lying about
21:52:34 [sbp]
so what if another kind of drive comes out? I want to replace it
21:52:52 [AaronSw]
Well, you can then. You can also get a firewire drive.
21:53:05 [sbp]
Firewire? Didn't yours break?
21:53:23 [AaronSw]
It's broken, yeah. Not sure why that is.
21:53:37 [AaronSw]
I should really send it in for repairs.
21:53:54 [sbp]
Argh, Frasier's going to be on in a sec., sorry
21:53:59 [AaronSw]
c'ya
21:54:01 [sbp]
c'ya
21:56:11 [AaronSw]
I wonder what you'd do if an iLamp showed up at your house for your birthday.
22:09:06 [AaronSw]
Aha, Fu Manchu is a Californian band.
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* AaronSw just got a copy of the Time Magazine.
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22:29:29 [sbp]
"I wonder what you'd do if an iLamp showed up at your house for your birthday" - crap myself
22:29:51 [sbp]
Heh, Morbus said he'd buy me one too, so I reckon I'm going to have a few of them floating around
22:32:08 [sbp]
If I had an iLamp, I'd have a battle of the computers; I'd use them both for a while until I got annoyed with one, and abandon the other
22:32:28 [sbp]
er... abandon that one, even
22:32:43 [AaronSw]
Heh.
22:33:09 [AaronSw]
Well I'm not going to get you a computer so you can abandon it.
22:33:19 [sbp]
You think I'd abandon the iLamp?
22:33:27 [sbp]
With a DVD-ROM drive?
22:33:27 [AaronSw]
No, but there's always a chance.
22:33:37 [AaronSw]
heh.
22:34:49 [tav]
superdrive!
22:35:25 [sbp]
of course, one day, I will have to replace this computer (the cycle goes on), and I do wonder what I'll get
22:36:08 [sbp]
a change of OS might be too much of a shock, but who knows? I might go for whatever iMac is out at the time (probably an iTrolley, or iDrawer)
22:36:36 [AaronSw]
Heh!
22:37:07 [sbp]
But it'll be a while off. I had to upgrade from the last one because it just ground to a halt when I had lots of applications running. Could have got a new chip and memory stack I suppose... but I needed much more hard drive space as well
22:37:20 [AaronSw]
The old iMacs are down to $499 --the iLamp will probably be at $40 by then.
22:37:28 [sbp]
Heh, yeah
22:37:38 [sbp]
How much is the iLamp retailing for?
22:37:46 [AaronSw]
$1299
22:37:51 [sbp]
Wow
22:38:02 [AaronSw]
I could probably switch all my $ to Euros and be all international and stuff.
22:38:13 [sbp]
Nah
22:38:20 [AaronSw]
Their strategy appears to be: get the early adopters to pay thru the nose and then come out with the cheaper model.
22:38:29 [AaronSw]
.change 1 usd to euros
22:38:31 [xena]
sorry, there is no currency called EUROS
22:38:33 [AaronSw]
.change 1 usd to eur
22:38:35 [xena]
1.00 (United States Dollars (USD)) makes 1.11973 (Euros (EUR))
22:39:34 [sbp]
Pff, all I want is a rundown of the iLamp... can't find it
22:39:51 [deltab]
apple.com/imac/
22:40:09 [AaronSw]
http://www.apple.com/imac/specs.html won't do?
22:40:32 [sbp]
Does it say how much memory and HD space it has?
22:40:40 [sbp]
I guess that might (should) be optional
22:40:43 [AaronSw]
Yeah, it does.
22:40:49 [AaronSw]
It lists all the options.
22:40:52 [sbp]
ah, yep
22:41:01 [sbp]
[it was just slow to load]
22:41:08 [tav]
60 gig / 256 (up to gig) for top model?
22:41:12 [AaronSw]
Hmm, what's that thing to the very left of the ports... is that a microphone or a Kensington lock?
22:41:34 [sbp]
Hmm... I think it's overpriced, personally
22:41:36 [AaronSw]
yep, tav
22:42:24 [AaronSw]
It's obviously overpriced!
22:42:30 [AaronSw]
That's their strategy, remember?
22:42:37 [sbp]
Yeah
22:42:52 [sbp]
But I mean overpriced for being overpriced :-)
22:43:00 [AaronSw]
Heh.
22:43:28 [AaronSw]
Ooh, that is clever: they release the cheaper models each month.
22:43:33 [AaronSw]
cf. http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore?family=iMacG4
22:44:47 [sbp]
interesting: """iTunes is for legal or rightholder-authorized copying only. Don’t steal music.""" - http://www.apple.com/imac/specs.html
22:44:52 [sbp]
Do they really mean "or"?
22:45:07 [AaronSw]
Heh.
22:45:35 [AaronSw]
They had a "Don't steal music" sticker on the iPod with 5 different languages. I was like, OK, copying files isn't stealing so I'm good.
22:45:47 [sbp]
Heh, heh
22:46:11 [sbp]
It'd be alright if they said "please"
22:47:08 [AaronSw]
I don't think they really mean it
22:48:05 [AaronSw]
Hmm, I'm missing a Handeze... I wonder if I left it at the hotel.
22:48:43 [sbp]
Hmm... I was writing a brower; why'd I stop? Oh yeah, rxvt/bash screwed up the output for some reason
22:49:15 [AaronSw]
You were writing a browser? A web browser?
22:49:20 [sbp]
Uh huh
22:50:04 [sbp]
Just a simple thing, using [wait for it]... Python
22:50:42 [AaronSw]
Guile.
22:50:53 [AaronSw]
or is it Grail.
22:51:17 [deltab]
Grail, of course
22:51:43 [AaronSw]
Yeah, wonder why I was thinking of guile.
22:52:05 [sbp]
* sbp finds http://grail.sourceforge.net/
22:52:19 [sbp]
Yeah, but the thing is, I wanted to write a browser that does things properly
22:52:39 [sbp]
And have the fun of finding out about the sort of stuff needed in order to write a browser
22:52:42 [sbp]
s/fun/"fun"/
22:52:43 [deltab]
like Netrik?
22:54:09 [AaronSw]
WorldWideWeb 2.0!
22:54:18 [AaronSw]
I want to get a NeXT so I can run WorldWideWeb.
22:54:28 [AaronSw]
Oh, did I mention that I saw Tim's NeXT when I was in London?
22:54:30 [sbp]
Heh, me too
22:54:33 [AaronSw]
Got lots of photos of it.
22:54:34 [sbp]
Ooh, neat
22:54:42 [sbp]
Where is it?
22:55:03 [deltab]
London, I'm guessing
22:55:05 [sbp]
Pff, can't find a Grail download
22:55:54 [AaronSw]
It's at the Science Museum.
22:56:07 [AaronSw]
2nd floor, Digitopolis.
22:56:19 [deltab]
sbp: http://grail.sourceforge.net/source/license.html
22:56:52 [sbp]
O.K., now try the links
22:57:04 [sbp]
Neither the HTTP or the FTP links work
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and Alexa yields nothing on the HTTP URI
22:57:36 [deltab]
I see
22:58:19 [AaronSw]
try http://sourceforge.net/projects/grail
22:58:24 [sbp]
aha: http://telia.dl.sourceforge.net/grail/grail-0.6.tgz
22:59:13 [deltab]
http://telia.dl.sourceforge.net/grail/grail-0.6.tgz
23:02:46 [sbp]
well that crashed quite well
23:04:40 [AaronSw]
Woohoo!
23:04:46 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw gets authorization to buy his server.
23:06:10 [sbp]
* sbp listens to RIB
23:06:33 [AaronSw]
Man, Dell's website sucks.
23:13:02 [AaronSw]
OK, ordered.
23:18:11 [AaronSw]
Estimated Ship Date: on or before Jan 15, 2002
23:18:24 [sbp]
* sbp fixes the formatting to some extent
23:19:11 [sbp]
what're you doing?
23:19:28 [AaronSw]
wrt what?
23:20:26 [sbp]
w.r.t. whatever it is you're rambling on about: Dell, ordered, ship date...
23:20:34 [AaronSw]
Oh, that'd be vorpal.
23:20:41 [AaronSw]
My new server -- I'm quite excited about it.
23:20:51 [sbp]
Ah!
23:20:56 [AaronSw]
Hmm, what is it with programs not opening today.
23:22:45 [sbp]
blargh, what's the "proper" way to do: while ' ' in s: s = string.replace(s, ' ', ' ')
23:23:30 [sbp]
I guess I'll have to use string.find or something
23:24:04 [AaronSw]
Hmm, I got both a confirmation and an acknowledgement of my order.
23:25:19 [AaronSw]
I think it was a good deal: $598 for the server (before tax), 1Ghz, 40GB.
23:25:27 [AaronSw]
And then I'm getting a gig of RAM for it.
23:26:50 [AaronSw]
whoa, memory prices went way up while i was on vacation
23:30:06 [AaronSw]
Hmm, I wonder how much $.00 is.
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23:35:01 [AaronSw]
I wonder why the server takes so long to ship. I want it now! :-)
23:35:37 [AaronSw]
Crucial has a very nice website.
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23:41:58 [AaronSw]
Ah, nice. iPhoto is scriptable: http://www.apple.com/applescript/iphoto/
23:44:35 [sbp]
Wow, my browser is almost usable. HyperText links don't work yet, but that doesn't matter, does it?
23:45:26 [sbp]
Heh, the HTML parser is *the* most hideous piece of hacking ever. Sorry, but it is. Of course, it had to be
23:45:50 [AaronSw]
Heh heh.
23:46:03 [AaronSw]
[grody regexp]
23:46:33 [AaronSw]
err that should have been:
23:46:39 [AaronSw]
# delete all tags:
23:46:43 [AaronSw]
[grody regexp here]
23:47:08 [sbp]
Heh, no, it's not that bad. It uses HTMLParser
23:47:40 [sbp]
you'd throw up a lot if you saw the code
23:49:07 [sbp]
heh, heh:-
23:49:08 [sbp]
[[[
23:49:08 [sbp]
$ python browser.py http://aaronsw.com/
23:49:08 [sbp]
My face reflected in a doorknob.
23:49:08 [sbp]
23:49:08 [sbp]
my.life: the wacky story of aaron swartz
23:49:09 [sbp]
23:49:11 [sbp]
Nearby: swartzfam.com | crit this page | google backlinks
23:49:13 [sbp]
If this page seems devoid of color and excitement, youneed a browser t
23:49:15 [sbp]
hat supports CSS. Please upgrade your browser.
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]]]
23:49:20 [sbp]
What a great opening line
23:49:31 [AaronSw]
Heh.
23:49:40 [AaronSw]
youneed?
23:49:45 [sbp]
Hmm... bug
23:50:19 [sbp]
Ah, actually, it's being sensible
23:50:33 [sbp]
it doesn't yet treat newlines as whitespace. It shuns newlines as whitespace
23:50:49 [AaronSw]
Pff.
23:50:57 [sbp]
* sbp makes the change
23:51:16 [sbp]
there:-
23:51:17 [sbp]
[[[
23:51:17 [sbp]
If this page seems devoid of color and excitement, you need a browser
23:51:18 [sbp]
that supports CSS. Please upgrade your browser.
23:51:18 [sbp]
]]]
23:52:03 [AaronSw]
Next it'll be taking political points of view.
23:52:12 [sbp]
Pardon?
23:53:08 [sbp]
BTW, your statement sucks. What if I have my browser set to show me all stuff that is hidden? Your statement would be wrong, and you would look more the fool for it
23:53:22 [AaronSw]
Yeah, I was just thinking about that.
23:53:34 [AaronSw]
What you said isn't true, though.
23:53:35 [sbp]
And I'm quite happy with my little line-mode browser, why should I upgrade? Plenty of people are happy with Lynx
23:54:00 [AaronSw]
Yeah, the latter sentence is bad.
23:57:56 [AaronSw]
ugh, can't ssh in to swartzfam -- i'm moving it to vorpal.
23:59:53 [sbp]
For a 2.5KB browser, this is quite good