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03:18:39 <sbp> @ http://www.newscientist.com/hottopics/quantum/quantum.jsp?id=22744000
03:18:56 <chumpster> A: http://www.newscientist.com/hottopics/quantum/quantum.jsp?id=22744000 from sbp
03:19:24 <sbp> A:|Genetic Algorithms
03:19:25 <chumpster> titled item A
03:19:37 <sbp> A::Getting computers to "invent" things
03:19:38 <chumpster> commented item A
03:20:53 <sbp> A::The basic idea (spotted by John Koza) is that you can apply a GA to a GA, in order to find the best *approach* for inventing, not just the best invention
03:20:54 <chumpster> commented item A
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10:00:14 <AaronSw-UK> BLURB: Swhack Dinner in London
10:00:43 <chumpster> B: Swhack Dinner in London from AaronSw-UK
10:01:39 <AaronSw-UK> B::We're holding a Swhack Dinner in London tonight, 7PM. It's in the W1 section. [Email me|mailto:me@aaronsw.com] if you're interested in coming for more details.
10:01:40 <chumpster> commented item B
10:05:04 <AaronSw-UK> B::Actually, since I will probably be away from the computer, you can email [Charlie|http://www.doid.com/]  <doid _at_ doid _dot_ com> and ask him.
10:05:05 <chumpster> commented item B
10:05:15 <AaronSw-UK> B::We'll be talking about the Web, the Plex, etc.
10:05:16 <chumpster> commented item B
10:05:21 <AaronSw-UK> B::Should be fun!
10:05:22 <chumpster> commented item B
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17:49:35 <BenSw> * BenSw waits very impatiently for simpsons to be on
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17:51:05 <BenSw> Just an hour and 8 minutes... I dont think I can wait that long
17:51:06 <sbp> logster, grep -i ::.*permalinks
17:51:37 <logster> I'm logging.  I found 1 answer for '::.*permalinks'
17:51:38 <logster> 0) 2002-01-02 17:51:06 <sbp> logster, grep -i ::.*permalinks
17:51:44 <sbp> logster, grep -i permalinks
17:52:04 <logster> I'm logging.  I found 9 answers for 'permalinks' (showing 0...4)
17:52:05 <logster> 0) 2002-01-02 17:51:44 <sbp> logster, grep -i permalinks
17:52:06 <logster> 1) 2002-01-02 17:51:06 <sbp> logster, grep -i ::.*permalinks
17:52:07 <logster> 2) 2001-12-20 14:58:44 <AaronSw> """"Meanwhile, the other Aaron (permalinks, gentlemen? :-) asks : I wonder what the court would say if I came out with a browser that linked every instance of the word "the" to the DeCSS source code?. Isn't that what we all tied our panties in a knot over when Microsoft announced Smart Tags ?"""
17:52:08 <logster> 3) 2001-12-20 14:55:53 <AaronSw> hey, aaron, we added permalinks
17:52:09 <logster> 4) 2001-12-18 21:32:01 <Morbus> the articles already are permalinks (and have matching redirects from three iterations/redesigns ago <G>)
17:52:31 <sbp> logster, grep 5-9 -i permalinks
17:52:39 <logster> I'm logging.  I found 2 answers for '-i permalinks' (showing 5...2)
17:52:49 <sbp> logster, grep -i 5-9 permalinks
17:52:56 <logster> I'm logging.  I found 11 answers for 'permalinks' (showing 5...9)
17:52:57 <logster> 5) 2001-12-20 14:55:53 <AaronSw> hey, aaron, we added permalinks
17:52:58 <logster> 6) 2001-12-18 21:32:01 <Morbus> the articles already are permalinks (and have matching redirects from three iterations/redesigns ago <G>)
17:52:59 <logster> 7) 2001-12-18 21:30:04 <AaronSw> I added permalinks to the swahck weblog.
17:53:00 <logster> 8) 2001-12-17 00:58:25 <AaronSw> ok, looks like we have permalinks!
17:53:01 <logster> 9) 2001-12-17 00:15:48 <AaronSw> cool. now i just need to fix chumpster to serve the permalinks
17:53:03 <sbp> aargh!
18:04:19 <AaronSw-UK> What's with the permalinks?
18:07:38 <sbp> Someone on #rdfig asked how to get links to the chumped items
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18:52:25 <AaronSw-UK> B::OK, I'm off to dinner now. See you all later.
18:52:28 <chumpster> commented item B
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18:56:25 <BenSw> Hi
18:56:40 <BenSw> * BenSw gets ready to watch the simpsons
18:57:59 <sbp> * sbp too
18:58:20 <BenSw> stupid commercials
18:58:32 <BenSw> eye glass
18:59:09 <BenSw> ready 
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19:01:04 <BenSw|watchingsimpsons> go!
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21:07:43 <sbp> Hi Aaron. Try http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2002Jan/att-0003/01-XML2000
21:07:57 <AaronSw-UK> Hello, there.
21:08:43 <AaronSw-UK> That's really quite scary.
21:08:53 <sbp> Thank you
21:08:58 <AaronSw-UK> :-)
21:09:24 <AaronSw-UK> Oh, you didn't do all of it.
21:09:32 <AaronSw-UK> Did seem a little short.
21:09:41 <AaronSw-UK> You should include links to the appropriate slides.
21:09:54 <sbp> I probably will in a "finished" version
21:14:17 <sbp> heh: http://doc.weblogs.com/2002/01/02#thisJustInFromTheHumilityEnforcementDepartment
21:24:09 <AaronSw-UK> sbp, you should reply to http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&selm=d6a0a71c.0112181259.28546e46%40posting.google.com and ask for @@ to be added to the list.
21:39:39 <AaronSw-UK> Interesting: http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=90cbefb1.0112211746.43392bc8%40posting.google.com&output=gplain
21:40:25 <sbp> Didn't Gerald or someone ask for that?
21:40:45 <sbp> That is interesting
21:45:02 <AaronSw-UK> wtf? the Register is in Association with IBM?
21:45:22 <sbp> Aha! Conspiracy!
21:47:56 <AaronSw-UK> this is quite funny: http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/23362.html
21:48:00 <AaronSw-UK> http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/23362.html
21:48:27 <AaronSw-UK> oops
21:48:28 <AaronSw-UK> @ http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/23362.html
21:48:34 <chumpster> C: The Register from AaronSw-UK
21:49:17 <sbp> lol!
21:49:27 <AaronSw-UK> C:|Why WIPO Sucks
21:49:28 <chumpster> titled item C
21:49:42 <sbp> Heh, heh
21:49:42 <AaronSw-UK> C::via [jorn|http://www.robotwisdom.com/]
21:49:43 <chumpster> commented item C
21:51:15 <hazmat> @ http://www.salon.com/tech/feature/2000/05/26/free_love/index.html
21:51:18 <chumpster> D: Salon.com tech | If code is free, why not me? from hazmat
21:51:21 <sbp> C::Homer: Yeah Moe, that team sure did suck last night. Well, I've seen teams suck before, but they were the suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked. Uh oh, I gotta go - my damn weiner kids are listening
21:51:22 <chumpster> commented item C
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22:22:08 <AaronSw-UK> * AaronSw-UK reads http://www.choisser.com/faceblind/
22:24:08 <hazmat> reminds of me the movie memento
22:30:45 <AaronSw-UK> Yeah, that was a good movie.
22:31:01 <AaronSw-UK> Hmm, I'm starting to wonder if I'm Face Blind. (Just followed the link from a /. comment.)
22:31:16 <AaronSw-UK> I've never been any good at remembering faces... but I'm not that bad.
22:31:40 <hazmat> theres a difference between living in your own world and being face blind me thinks :-)
22:32:55 <hazmat> * hazmat goes back to compiling mozilla
22:33:48 <AaronSw-UK> living in my own world?
22:37:50 <hazmat> everyone lives in their own world, the boundaries of perception and consciousness are intertwined.
22:38:59 <AaronSw-UK> No, I have that too, but that's different.
22:39:54 <AaronSw-UK> I think my problem is that I just can't focus on people's faces in real life. I just don't want to look at them, or at least remember them
22:40:45 <hazmat> i have the same problem with names when i meet face to face (faces i remember), but names. i realize that i ask someones name but i don't ever listen to the answer. 
22:41:18 <AaronSw-UK> Hmm, interesting.
22:41:47 <AaronSw-UK> I also have the same "person merging" problem as him, occasionally. Like today folks told me that two people in LotR who I assumed were the same were different.
22:42:07 <hazmat> hmm.. who were they?
22:43:53 <AaronSw-UK> Strider and the Elf king.
22:45:59 <hazmat> interesting, what about scenes where they were both present?
22:46:55 <AaronSw-UK> i didn't realize there were any. i have trouble figuring out who's who in big scenes like that
22:47:05 <AaronSw-UK> wow, i'm just realizing stuff like that.
22:47:25 <hazmat> where do you live normally?
22:47:31 <AaronSw-UK> outside of chicago
22:48:03 <hazmat> * hazmat is in los angeles at the moment.
22:48:46 <hazmat> so how much longer are u in the uk for?
22:48:51 <AaronSw-UK> is that where you live normally?
22:48:54 <AaronSw-UK> i'm here until the 7th
22:49:10 <AaronSw-UK> http://www.choisser.com/faceblind/
22:49:14 <AaronSw-UK> @ http://www.choisser.com/faceblind/
22:49:21 <chumpster> E: http://www.choisser.com/faceblind/ from AaronSw-UK
22:49:27 <AaronSw-UK> E:|Face Blind!
22:49:28 <chumpster> titled item E
22:49:44 <AaronSw-UK> E::A fascinating book on the condition of "face blindness".
22:49:45 <chumpster> commented item E
22:49:53 <hazmat> yes. although i'm interested in moving back to the east coast (NYC, or VA).
22:50:00 <AaronSw-UK> E::I'm starting to think I might have it, or perhaps something similar.
22:50:01 <chumpster> commented item E
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22:57:39 <AaronSw-UK> Hmm, "topographic agnosia".
22:58:18 <AaronSw-UK> I must admit that I simply do not understand how anyone can remember the patterns of streets and things needed to get from place to place.
22:58:28 <AaronSw-UK> When I want to go somewhere, I just wander in its direction.
22:58:56 <AaronSw-UK> Which only works well for short distances -- I'm rather afraid of not being able to drive because of this.
22:59:06 <sbp> I'm like that when I don't know where I'm going, but otherwise I have a pretty good memory for directions
22:59:27 <sbp> I kinda prefer when I don't know the target though, because it means I can stroll a bit. Unless I'm late
22:59:50 <AaronSw-UK> Hi sbp. I'm self-diagnosing myself with all sorts of disorders.
23:00:25 <sbp> Add "Archive-Everything-And-Be-A-General-Information-Anarchist"
23:00:34 <sbp> -Disorder
23:00:51 <AaronSw-UK> Nah, that's an Order, not a Disorder.
23:01:00 <sbp> .wn Anarchy
23:01:01 <xena> anarchy defined as:
23:01:02 <xena> - n : a state of lawlessness and disorder (usually resulting from a failure of government) [syn: {lawlessness}]
23:02:01 <sbp> But yeah, it's not really a disorder. I was just saying that to appear nasty. Mwaahahaha!
23:03:15 <AaronSw-UK> Heh heh.
23:03:18 <sbp> Since I broke that string, I've had to detune my guitar, and it's certainly interesting how my noodling patterns have modified
23:03:33 <AaronSw-UK> Hmm.
23:04:53 <AaronSw-UK> (to anyone) Can you close your eyes and remember/see people's faces?
23:05:08 <AaronSw-UK> I can only see mental pictures of them with their faces.
23:05:19 <AaronSw-UK> But never the faces themselves, very clearly.
23:05:33 <AaronSw-UK> s/,//
23:05:51 <sbp> I have that only very mildly
23:06:41 <sbp> What are you reading?
23:07:04 <AaronSw-UK> It's chumped: http://www.choisser.com/faceblind/
23:07:11 <sbp> * sbp listens to "River Deep, Mountain High", Ika and Tina Turner, prod. Phil Spector
23:08:34 <sbp> s/Ika/Ike/
23:10:05 <sbp> * sbp listens to "Telegram Sam", T. Rex
23:10:27 <sbp> Is it true that Glam Rock evolved from the title song on Sgt. Pepper's?
23:10:45 <sbp> .google "Glam Rock" "Sgt. Pepper's"
23:10:47 <xena> "Glam Rock" "Sgt. Pepper's": http://www.netcomuk.co.uk/~tewing/smile4.html
23:12:15 <sbp> FWIW, I don't think that SMiLE would have been better than Sgt. Pepper's, but almost certainly top-5
23:12:51 <hazmat> AaronSw-UK: perhaps you need to look at some beautfiful women. always helps my memory :-)
23:12:58 <AaronSw-UK> heh heh heh
23:13:04 <AaronSw-UK> ugh, looks like the email is beginning to pick up after the holidays.
23:13:22 <sbp> The 8+ minute version of "Heroes And Villains" (wherever it came from) it pretty fun, though
23:15:23 <AaronSw-UK> Hmm, I'm sort of thinking my problem is not being able to focus on the eyes, or that part of the face -- not really sure, tho.
23:15:35 <AaronSw-UK> I note that I like hanging out with bald or long-haired people at conferences.
23:16:42 <sbp> Are there any other classes of people that attend conferences?
23:17:57 <hazmat> most pythonistas don't seem to fit in those categories par my experience at python conferences.
23:18:08 <hazmat> * hazmat hangs out with the smokers.
23:18:25 <AaronSw-UK> Yeah, that was sort of true too, sbp. ;-)
23:18:29 <AaronSw-UK> At least for the cool people.
23:18:37 <AaronSw-UK> The suits hand decent haircuts, so I stayed away.
23:19:13 <AaronSw-UK> Seth Russell: "I produced and sold a product called CyberMind for the AppleII based exclusively on labeled directed graphs as the data model.  The Manual bears the copyright date 1985.  See graph below for other historical details."
23:19:15 <AaronSw-UK> Interesting!
23:22:07 <AaronSw-UK> Hmm, I also find detailed photos of faces especially interesting or different in some way.
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23:25:45 <AaronSw-UK> PFPS asks about the difference between information and knowledge. I think information is knowledge serialized.
23:29:13 <sbp> .wn knowledge
23:29:13 <sbp> .wn information
23:29:14 <xena> knowledge defined as:
23:29:15 <xena> - n : the psychological result of perception and learning and reasoning [syn: {cognition}]
23:29:15 <xena> information defined as:
23:29:16 <xena> - n 1: a message received and understood that reduces the recipient's uncertainty [syn: {info}]
23:29:17 <xena> - 2: a collection of facts from which conclusions may be drawn; "statistical data" [syn: {data}]
23:29:18 <xena> - 3: knowledge acquired through study or experience or instruction
23:29:19 <xena> - 4: (communication theory) a numerical measure of the uncertainty of an outcome; "the signal contained thousands of bits of information" [syn: {selective information}, {entropy}]
23:29:20 <xena> - 5: formal accusation of a crime
23:29:43 <AaronSw-UK> See, Wordnet agrees with me!
23:33:47 <AaronSw-UK> McCusker: "Happy New Year! The world didn't end, for those expecting it."
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23:38:07 <sbp> [[[
23:38:09 <sbp> <sbp> Heh, heh
23:38:11 <sbp> <sbp> Man, I love that Clearwater Castle jam
23:38:13 <sbp> <sbp> .google 78untitled.ram
23:38:15 <sbp> ]]]
23:38:17 <sbp> .google 78untitled.ram
23:38:18 <xena> no results found.
23:38:39 <sbp> .google "Clearwater Castle" Jam
23:38:40 <xena> "Clearwater Castle" Jam: http://www.rootnode.org/article.php?sid=34
23:40:30 <sbp> ah: "Fire (Say You're Gonna Leave Me)"
23:49:44 <sbp> Ooh, I've found what may well be a longer version of it