IRC log of swhack on 2001-12-31

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00:22:28 [sbp]: heh, heh: "i got a cool photo of him saying hmz"
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04:34:02 [hazmat]: ping
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11:00:00 [sbp]: .time
11:00:00 [xena]: 2001/12/31 11:01:36.8987 Universal
11:00:28 [sbp]: Monday morning, 11AM...
11:26:53 [sbp]: sbp is now known as AaronSw-UK
11:26:57 [AaronSw-UK]: hi everyone ;-)
11:27:04 [AaronSw-UK]: * AaronSw-UK waves from sbp's house
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14:00:45 [sbp]: Heh, heh, heh.
14:00:49 [sbp]: s/.//
14:02:41 [sbp]: Homer: I'm just a big toasty cinnamon bun
14:05:23 [sbp]: * sbp listens to Zeppelin, plays the guitar, watches TV
14:05:33 [sbp]: Heh, heh, heh
14:09:59 [sbp]: I've been watching a lot of news about the new €.
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16:28:24 [sbp]: Well, Aaron et al. have gone now, although spookily, his IRC presence is still here
16:29:12 [sbp]: * sbp notes that the big A had control of his keyboard from 11:26:53 to 14:09:59
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16:47:10 [SeanP]: Just testing irc on CygWin
16:47:16 [sbp]: It works
16:47:30 [SeanP]: help
16:47:34 [SeanP]: Blargh
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16:56:23 [sbp]: * sbp goes plate searching
16:58:25 [sbp]: Ah; freezer
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17:50:16 [AaronSw-UK]: * AaronSw-UK waves, having just got back from sbp's house
17:50:30 [AaronSw-UK]: time to upload photos, eh, sbp?
17:58:07 [AaronSw-UK]: * AaronSw-UK tries to remember all the channels sbp was in
18:00:42 [sbp]: Hi there
18:00:55 [sbp]: * sbp is playing Led Zeppelin III :-)
18:01:02 [sbp]: Ah, IRC... so much easier to communiate
18:01:23 [sbp]: upload photos: aaaaargh!
18:01:33 [sbp]: Get the music online. That's the important thing
18:01:50 [AaronSw-UK]: Heh.
18:01:50 [AaronSw-UK]: Heh, heh, heh
18:01:51 [sbp]: Heh, it's kinda weird to think that you were sitting here about a couple of hours ago
18:02:11 [AaronSw-UK]: Same here.
18:02:19 [AaronSw-UK]: (With the pronouns reversed.)
18:02:31 [AaronSw-UK]: (Like in the Simpsons episode.)
18:02:43 [sbp]: (Which Simpsons episode?)
18:03:00 [AaronSw-UK]: (The one we watched.)
18:03:08 [sbp]: (We watched quite a few.)
18:04:07 [sbp]: In fact, did we do *anything* other than watch Simpsons episodes? I guess not
18:04:26 [sbp]: Then again, is there anything else to do on this planet other than watch The Simpsons?
18:04:37 [AaronSw-UK]: Heh heh, my mum keeps asking me about that.
18:05:00 [sbp]: About what? The Simpsons obsession? Well, I'm weird
18:06:00 [AaronSw-UK]: no, about whether we were going to do something other than watch the simpsons.
18:06:01 [AaronSw-UK]: .time est
18:06:01 [xena]: Dec. 31, 2001 1:07 pm US/Eastern
18:06:58 [sbp]: Should we have done something more "constructive"? Built the Plex or something. I thought Ben might have been bored had we have started chatting to each other on IRC
18:07:17 [AaronSw-UK]: Heh heh, we forgot to do that!
18:07:33 [AaronSw-UK]: I told Ben to be prepared to be bored, and you ruined everything!
18:07:33 [sbp]: Well, you did it. I just sat and watched
18:07:37 [AaronSw-UK]: Ben: [laughs]
18:07:40 [sbp]: lol
18:08:13 [sbp]: Mmmkay, so it was only a semi-disaster. But I'm a boring chap
18:08:50 [sbp]: Especially when nervous
18:08:58 [AaronSw-UK]: Heh, not really.
18:09:09 [sbp]: It was really cool meeting you all, thoug
18:09:15 [sbp]: s/thoug/though/
18:09:15 [AaronSw-UK]: * AaronSw-UK listened to Love and Theft on the way back, while reading the Assasination Politics manifesto.
18:09:26 [AaronSw-UK]: Well certainly the same here.
18:09:35 [AaronSw-UK]: Now you have to come to my house!
18:09:36 [sbp]: Heh, neat. Oh, I remember that thingy coming up on the screen... xena to the rescue?
18:09:43 [sbp]: .google "Assasination Politics"
18:09:44 [xena]: "Assasination Politics": http://jya.com/ap.htm
18:10:14 [sbp]: One day :-)
18:11:45 [AaronSw-UK]: Pretty cool that email sent from AaronSw-UK gets sent to the right place. Thanks qmail!
18:12:13 [AaronSw-UK]: * AaronSw-UK renamed his machine "Slithy" while he was at sbp's house, as part of his new Jabberwocky naming scheme.
18:12:28 [AaronSw-UK]: sbp, what channels are you in
18:12:44 [sbp]: All the ones that you can see me in, and #evolt
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18:14:53 [AaronSw-UK]: For the record, that'd be:
18:14:57 [AaronSw-UK]: #evolt #OpenACS #dotgnu #validator #sbp #rdfig #infoanarchy #swhack
18:15:16 [sbp]: thanks, forgot about #OpenACS :-)
18:15:22 [AaronSw-UK]: Oopsies! I left AaronSw connected to #rdfig while I was gone. That's going to be annoying.
18:19:50 [AaronSw-UK]: Anyone know the etymology of vorpal blade? sbp? Bueller?
18:20:22 [sbp]: .google "vorpal blade" etymology
18:20:24 [xena]: "vorpal blade" etymology: http://www.behindthename.com/messages/8832.html
18:20:59 [AaronSw-UK]: s/Bueller/Google/
18:21:09 [sbp]: Bueller?
18:21:25 [AaronSw-UK]: Bueller, Ferris.
18:22:32 [sbp]: heh: http://www.google.com/logos/newyear02.gif
18:23:00 [AaronSw-UK]: Heh, heh.
18:23:20 [AaronSw-UK]: Gotta run.
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20:05:51 [sbp]: [[[
20:06:07 [AaronSw-UK]: ]]] hurry up already! happy new year tav [[[
20:06:26 [sbp]: Writing in 1877 to a child who had inquired what the strange words meant, Carroll replied:
20:06:26 [sbp]: I am afraid I can't explain "vorpal blade" for you—nor yet "tulgey wood"; but I did make an explanation once for "uffish
20:06:26 [sbp]: thought"-it seems to suggest a state of mind when the voice is gruffish, the manner roughish, and the temper huffish. Then
20:06:26 [sbp]: again, as to "burble" if you take the three verbs " b leat," "m ur mur" and "war ble ," and select the bits I have underlined, it
20:06:28 [sbp]: certainly makes "burble": though I am afraid I can't distinctly remember having made it that way.
20:06:30 [sbp]: ]]] - http://makeashorterlink.com/?C2104534
20:07:32 [AaronSw-UK]: aargh, masl is still broken
20:07:50 [AaronSw-UK]: geez, hide the fact it's a .pdf why don't you
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20:08:48 [sbp]: "hurry up already!" - my connection must have broken, because I pasted it all in as one block
20:09:33 [sbp]: A PDF with a rather lengthy URI
20:10:07 [AaronSw-UK]: yeah
20:10:23 [AaronSw-UK]: not incredibly long tho
20:10:29 [AaronSw-UK]: i mean, i can paste in http://occawlonline.pearsoned.com/bookbind/pubbooks/kennedycompact_awl/chapter98/medialib/IM/part02.pdf rather easily
20:10:33 [AaronSw-UK]: http://occawlonline.pearsoned.com/bookbind/pubbooks/kennedycompact_awl/chapter98/medialib/IM/part02.pdf
20:10:33 [AaronSw-UK]: http://occawlonline.pearsoned.com/bookbind/pubbooks/kennedycompact_awl/chapter98/medialib/IM/part02.pdf
20:10:34 [AaronSw-UK]: http://occawlonline.pearsoned.com/bookbind/pubbooks/kennedycompact_awl/chapter98/medialib/IM/part02.pdf
20:10:37 [sbp]: heh, heh
20:10:38 [AaronSw-UK]: you hear me? :-)
20:10:58 [sbp]: But just long enough to mess up 80-column email
20:11:47 [sbp]: 103 characters...
20:11:56 [AaronSw-UK]: Hmm, can you do me a small favor?
20:12:10 [AaronSw-UK]: Visit http://www.festival.org/entry.html and click on the "First Night" button.
20:12:16 [AaronSw-UK]: Does the text work for you?
20:12:44 [sbp]: Er... it's Flash. It doesn't do anything for me
20:12:52 [AaronSw-UK]: You don't have Flash?
20:13:08 [AaronSw-UK]: perhaps you or deltab, etc. can open http://www.festival.org/entry.swf in strings -- we're trying to get the schedule info out
20:13:13 [sbp]: Ah, it's just loaded, and it comes up with a window
20:13:59 [sbp]: I get: <P ALIGN="LEFT"></P>
20:14:20 [AaronSw-UK]: Hmm, me too. Guess it's the Flash file that's broken, then.
20:14:27 [sbp]: I did "lynx http://www.festival.org/entry.swf -dump -source" but it blew up CygWin
20:14:59 [AaronSw-UK]: heh. do a lynx ... | strings
20:15:27 [AaronSw-UK]: i'm on silly os 9 w/o any decent console
20:16:47 [sbp]: It's doing it, but the results are meaningless thus far
20:16:48 [AaronSw-UK]: ah, i can ssh into a decent machine
20:17:56 [sbp]: [[[
20:17:56 [sbp]: http://www.gre.ac.uk
20:17:57 [sbp]: _blank
20:17:57 [sbp]: http://www.thewoolwich.co.uk
20:17:57 [sbp]: _blank
20:17:57 [sbp]: http://www.fairview.co.uk
20:17:59 [sbp]: _blank
20:18:01 [sbp]: http://www.britishwaterways.co.uk
20:18:03 [sbp]: _blank
20:18:05 [sbp]: UUOX
20:18:07 [sbp]: http://www.berkeleyhomes.co.uk
20:18:09 [sbp]: _blank
20:18:11 [sbp]: http://www.developmentsecurities.com
20:18:13 [sbp]: _blank
20:18:15 [sbp]: http://www.lewisham.ac.uk/index.html
20:18:17 [sbp]: _blank
20:18:19 [sbp]: http://www.nmm.ac.uk
20:18:21 [sbp]: _blank
20:18:23 [sbp]: http://www.lda.gov.uk
20:18:25 [sbp]: _blank
20:18:27 [sbp]: http://www.canarywharf.com/mainfrm1.asp
20:18:29 [sbp]: ]]] - lynx http://www.festival.org/entry.swf -dump -source | strings
20:18:35 [sbp]: [[[
20:18:35 [sbp]: http://www.gad.org.uk [...]
20:18:37 [sbp]: http://www.lloydstsbfoundations.org.uk [...]
20:18:39 [sbp]: http://www.corpoflondon.gov.uk [...]
20:18:41 [sbp]: http://www.arts.org.uk/directory/regions/london [...]
20:18:43 [sbp]: http://www.nlcb.org.uk
20:18:45 [sbp]: ]]] - ibid.
20:19:05 [sbp]: that's all the decent information
20:19:14 [AaronSw-UK]: hmm, not too useful
20:19:23 [AaronSw-UK]: thanks for your help, tho
20:19:28 [sbp]: np
20:22:11 [AaronSw-UK]: Woohoo! http://www.festival.org/firstnight.html
20:22:53 [sbp]: Cool
20:27:36 [AaronSw-UK]: Formal Morbus: http://isp-lists.isp-planet.com/isp-ecommerce/9909/msg00172.html
20:27:48 [AaronSw-UK]: Morbus recommends typeit4me and quickeys.
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20:48:20 [AaronSw-UK]: heh heh heh: http://infomesh.net/2001/01/timblemail/timbl.eml "Dear sirs?"
20:49:21 [AaronSw-UK]: timbl seems to use :foo and foo: interchangably there... hmm
20:50:02 [sbp]: Whoops
20:50:16 [AaronSw-UK]: Whoops, what?
20:50:59 [AaronSw-UK]: odd, wonder why that isn't linked from http://infomesh.net/2001/01/
20:51:04 [sbp]: I didn't mean to publish that... wonder why I put it up there
20:51:14 [AaronSw-UK]: argh, he deleted it!
20:51:16 [AaronSw-UK]: you're no fun
20:51:27 [sbp]: :-)
20:51:45 [AaronSw-UK]: Fine, I won't tell you anymore interesting things I find on your site.
20:51:54 [AaronSw-UK]: good thing i archived that. :)
20:52:11 [sbp]: There aren't any more interesting things on my site
20:52:39 [AaronSw-UK]: * AaronSw-UK mirrors it at http://blogspace.com/rdf/timbl.eml
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20:54:47 [AaronSw-UK]: ;-)
20:55:06 [sbp]: Could you please delete that?
20:55:45 [AaronSw-UK]: Aww, that'd be breaking links.
20:57:12 [sbp]: Please do it
20:57:35 [sbp]: You can put a redirect there linking to these logs, or something
20:57:57 [AaronSw-UK]: I suppose I can replace it with its SHA512 hash, and someone will anonymous insert it into the Plex.
20:58:09 [sbp]: That's fine
20:58:18 [sbp]: :-)
20:58:28 [AaronSw-UK]: hmm, don't have sha512 on this machine.
20:58:58 [sbp]: Hmm... I should get SHA5** really. It's going to become a commodity
20:59:13 [AaronSw-UK]: you should
21:00:03 [AaronSw-UK]: ok
21:00:45 [sbp]: Argh, half the entires in http://www.google.com/search?q=SHA512+Python are from us - already!
21:01:08 [AaronSw-UK]: Heh!
21:01:20 [AaronSw-UK]: bbiab
21:02:09 [sbp]: O.K.
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21:06:04 [BenSw]: Hello
21:06:10 [sbp]: argh-
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21:09:18 [sbp]: Argh, I need inttypes.h from somewhere
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21:20:56 [BenSw]: Hello
21:25:01 [BenSw]: Hmm, Its quiet... too quiet
21:25:44 [sbp]: Hi there
21:25:58 [BenSw]: Hi
21:25:58 [sbp]: I'm trying to install an SHA5** program
21:26:05 [BenSw]: Good at least your talking
21:27:32 [BenSw]: Woohoo crispeethingamijegers.com is not registered yet!
21:27:58 [sbp]: lol
21:28:28 [BenSw]: Heh, Heh, Heh
21:29:14 [sbp]: lower case for the second and third: "Heh, heh, heh". At least you remembered not to put the period on it :-)
21:30:01 [BenSw]: .
21:30:04 [BenSw]: no
21:30:13 [BenSw]: lol
21:30:24 [BenSw]: s///
21:30:32 [BenSw]: whoops
21:30:36 [BenSw]: s/.//
21:33:10 [BenSw]: so whats up there sbp
21:33:59 [sbp]: oh, wow! http://www1.odn.ne.jp/synsyr/sha/sha.html
21:34:12 [sbp]: Still trying to get the SHA stuff done in time for Frasier :-)
21:35:39 [BenSw]: What does it do exactly?
21:36:31 [sbp]: It makes a huge has out of a file. I think it's working!
21:36:43 [sbp]: [[[
21:36:43 [sbp]: $ sha512 abc
21:36:44 [sbp]: SHA512 : abc
21:36:44 [sbp]: 4f285d0c0cc77286d8731798b7aae2639e28270d4166f40d769cbbdca5230714
21:36:44 [sbp]: d848483d364e2f39fe6cb9083c15229b39a33615ebc6d57605f7c43f6906739d
21:36:44 [sbp]: ]]]
21:36:50 [BenSw]: 'Has'???
21:36:57 [sbp]: s/has/hash/
21:37:03 [BenSw]: ahh
21:40:28 [sbp]: Hmm... I need to check this hash program - where's an example when you need one?
21:40:28 [sbp]: argh, now I need to create a wrapper that can take STDIN
21:42:32 [deltab]: I'll remind you of it if I notice it
21:43:41 [BenSw]: BenSw is now known as AaronSw-UK
21:43:41 [AaronSw-UK]: * AaronSw-UK is watching this hilarious show on channel 4
21:43:58 [AaronSw-UK]: cool, looks like it's working, sbp
21:44:37 [AaronSw-UK]: AaronSw-UK is now known as BenSw
21:45:16 [sbp]: Can you do some examples for me, please?
21:45:16 [sbp]: or find any examples? anywhere?
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21:50:14 [sbp]: SHA-1 doesn't seem to check out:-
21:50:15 [sbp]: [[[
21:50:15 [sbp]: $ sha1 abc
21:50:15 [sbp]: SHA1(abc) = 03cfd743661f07975fa2f1220c5194cbaff48451
21:50:16 [sbp]: ]]]
21:50:17 [sbp]: vs.
21:50:26 [sbp]: [[[
21:50:26 [sbp]: You may want to perform a sanity check on sha before relying on it:
21:50:26 [sbp]: > echo -n "abc" | ./sha -1
21:50:26 [sbp]: a9993e364706816aba3e25717850c26c9cd0d89d
21:50:26 [sbp]: The output should match that of above.
21:50:28 [sbp]: ]]]
21:52:06 [sbp]: and
21:52:07 [sbp]: [[[
21:52:08 [sbp]: >>> sha.new('abc').hexdigest()
21:52:08 [sbp]: 'a9993e364706816aba3e25717850c26c9cd0d89d'
21:52:09 [sbp]: ]]]
21:52:25 [sbp]: So Python agrees with the documentation for the other thingy
22:16:06 [BenSw]: Hmm.
22:16:12 [BenSw]: oops
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22:16:18 [AaronSw-UK]: Hmm.
22:16:20 [AaronSw-UK]: 03cfd743661f07975fa2f1220c5194cbaff48451
22:16:24 [AaronSw-UK]: a9993e364706816aba3e25717850c26c9cd0d89d
22:18:37 [AaronSw-UK]: Where's this sha1 stuff from?
22:18:45 [tansaku]: tansaku (sam@r22m196.cybercable.tm.fr) has joined #swhack
22:18:55 [AaronSw-UK]: hey tansaku
22:18:57 [AaronSw-UK]: .time jst
22:18:58 [xena]: Jan. 1, 2002 7:20 am GMT+9
22:19:03 [AaronSw-UK]: happy new year!
22:19:17 [AaronSw-UK]: AaronSw-UK has changed the topic to: Happy new year!
22:19:50 [AaronSw-UK]: my sha512 of 'abc' starts with 'ddaf35'
22:20:04 [AaronSw-UK]: I'm using shax-py
22:20:09 [AaronSw-UK]: .google shax-py
22:20:10 [xena]: shax-py: http://philosophysw.com/software
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22:25:27 [AaronSw-UK]: @ http://www.wagamama.com/
22:25:34 [chumpster]: A: http://www.wagamama.com/ from AaronSw-UK
22:25:43 [tansaku]: * tansaku wishes happy new year to all and sundry
22:25:53 [tansaku]: hi Aaron, you in the UK? I'm in France
22:26:08 [AaronSw-UK]: Yep. Oh? Nice.
22:26:20 [AaronSw-UK]: A:|wagamama
22:26:21 [chumpster]: titled item A
22:27:05 [AaronSw-UK]: A::A very cool restaurant -- highly automated. Very Demming.
22:27:06 [chumpster]: commented item A
22:27:33 [tansaku]: wagamama --> selfish in Japanese
22:28:53 [AaronSw-UK]: Yeah, that's what the menu said.
22:29:14 [tansaku]: so you with your folks in the UK?
22:29:15 [AaronSw-UK]: But they claimed selfish --> looking after oneself --> positive diet + positive energy
22:29:21 [AaronSw-UK]: Yep, we're on vacation.
22:29:33 [tansaku]: where in the UK?
22:29:38 [AaronSw-UK]: London.
22:30:57 [AaronSw-UK]: What're you in France for?
22:30:59 [tansaku]: I just left there to come here to Chambery
22:54:51 [AaronSw-UK]: ugh, i'm getting ad interstitials from salon
22:55:12 [AaronSw-UK]: and pop-ups
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23:08:18 [AaronSw-UK]: wb
23:08:56 [sbp]: ty
23:09:03 [AaronSw-UK]: np
23:09:15 [sbp]: Is that really you? Do you have an SHA5** example that I can test against?
23:09:21 [AaronSw-UK]: Ohh, I was planning on saying that while I was at your house today.
23:09:28 [AaronSw-UK]: See the logs -- already answered.
23:10:58 [sbp]: Thank you
23:11:02 [sbp]: * sbp reviews logs
23:11:39 [sbp]: I was just going through my #plex logs, finding the point where SHA5** was decided for 'Plex
23:11:47 [AaronSw-UK]: Ah.
23:13:28 [sbp]: Planning on saying what?
23:13:59 [sbp]: I can't get shax-py to install, for some reason
23:14:05 [sbp]: gcc bums out
23:15:05 [AaronSw-UK]: Saying wb/ty/np.
23:15:17 [AaronSw-UK]: You have gcc installed, right?
23:15:26 [AaronSw-UK]: And you're doing this in cygwin.
23:15:27 [sbp]: Yeah, through CygWin
23:15:41 [AaronSw-UK]: can you paste the error?
23:15:46 [sbp]: it's long
23:16:07 [sbp]: snippet:-
23:16:08 [sbp]: [[[
23:16:08 [sbp]: sha256.h:40: parse error before `uint64_t'
23:16:08 [sbp]: sha256.h:40: warning: no semicolon at end of struct or union
23:16:08 [sbp]: sha256.h:45: parse error before `uint8_t'
23:16:08 [sbp]: sha256.h:45: warning: no semicolon at end of struct or union
23:16:10 [sbp]: sha256.h:46: warning: type defaults to `int' in declaration of `buffer'
23:16:12 [sbp]: sha256.h:46: warning: data definition has no type or storage class
23:16:14 [sbp]: ]]]
23:16:37 [sbp]: ends with:-
23:16:38 [sbp]: [[[
23:16:38 [sbp]: sha256c.c: In function `_wrap_new__SHA256Context':
23:16:38 [sbp]: sha256c.c:606: sizeof applied to an incomplete type
23:16:38 [sbp]: sha256c.c: At top level:
23:16:38 [sbp]: sha256c.c:148: warning: `SWIG_TypeQuery' defined but not used
23:16:40 [sbp]: sha256c.c:302: warning: `SWIG_addvarlink' defined but not used
23:16:42 [sbp]: error: command 'gcc' failed with exit status 1
23:16:44 [sbp]: ]]]
23:17:00 [sbp]: then, in Python:-
23:17:01 [sbp]: [[[
23:17:02 [sbp]: >>> import sha256
23:17:02 [sbp]: Traceback (most recent call last):
23:17:02 [sbp]: File "<stdin>", line 1, in ?
23:17:02 [sbp]: File "sha256.py", line 28, in ?
23:17:03 [sbp]: import sha256c
23:17:05 [sbp]: ImportError: No module named sha256c
23:17:07 [sbp]: >>>
23:17:09 [sbp]: ]]]
23:21:40 [sbp]: Hmm... it must have been about the time xena folded, because it's not in http://irclogs.espnow.com/plex-logs/show_file.php?logfile=2001_12_03.log
23:21:51 [sbp]: And now oierw isn't here
23:22:25 [AaronSw-UK]: those logs aren't done by xena
23:23:59 [sbp]: oh?
23:24:10 [AaronSw-UK]: no - maya
23:25:26 [sbp]: Ah. But wasn't the problem that xena wasn't relaying the text over?
23:25:55 [deltab]: which text?
23:26:07 [AaronSw-UK]: Ah, yes.
23:26:40 [sbp]: Anyway, it's irrelevent now
23:26:50 [AaronSw-UK]: Not really.
23:27:23 [sbp]: http://plexdev.org/ is looking nice, but why no Tahoma for the main headings?
23:27:40 [sbp]: Well, xena's relaying beautifully now, AFAIK
23:27:59 [AaronSw-UK]: tav said he didn't like it
23:28:08 [sbp]: hmz
23:28:25 [AaronSw-UK]: heh
23:28:29 [AaronSw-UK]: hmm, i thought I did set tahoma
23:29:02 [sbp]: It doesn't matter; just me being pedantic
23:30:17 [sbp]: "To the contrary, these times are only hints for Plex servers which are short on diskspace. It is preferable that everything stays around forever."
23:30:28 [sbp]: Apart from the "To", those are a nice couple of sentences
23:30:57 [AaronSw-UK]: Where's that from?
23:31:01 [sbp]: A lot of people are going to be thinking "Um..." when they come across 'Plex - I can tell
23:31:06 [sbp]: er... from http://plexdev.org/requirements
23:31:29 [AaronSw-UK]: Why are people going to be thinking um?
23:33:21 [sbp]: Well, it's counter intuitive. Archiving everything has only recently become possible - even feasable on the level that the Plex is being designed for. And there are the complexities of searching billions of triples for really simple search patterns. If it wasn't for things like Google, you wouldn't have thought that such searches would be possible
23:33:49 [sbp]: It's like HTTP/HTML. People were so used to slow SGML applications, they didn't think it would work over a live connection
23:34:01 [AaronSw-UK]: Yeah, for sure.
23:34:11 [AaronSw-UK]: oierw wants to just give killtimes to everything...
23:34:31 [sbp]: You can set an infinite date, I presume?
23:34:50 [AaronSw-UK]: No, I don't think so.
23:35:06 [sbp]: So what's the upper limit?
23:35:23 [AaronSw-UK]: a day, i think
23:35:40 [sbp]: a day? Perhaps I misunderstand the notion
23:36:36 [AaronSw-UK]: Yeah, I think it's sort of silly.
23:36:50 [sbp]: Well, as long as it's more reliable than Freenet is for me at the moment, then that's a plus
23:36:56 [AaronSw-UK]: Heh heh.
23:37:05 [AaronSw-UK]: Freenet is just stupidly designed.
23:37:10 [AaronSw-UK]: Achord does it all and more, and better.
23:37:17 [sbp]: .google Achord
23:37:18 [xena]: Achord: http://people.bu.edu/inachord
23:37:34 [sbp]: heh, neat
23:37:40 [sbp]: .google Achord decentralized
23:37:42 [xena]: Achord decentralized: http://www.primarykey.com/book.cgi?item_no=806
23:37:47 [AaronSw-UK]: Heh.
23:38:07 [sbp]: Um...
23:38:10 [AaronSw-UK]: there's probably not much on it yet. it's being done by blanu and it's simply an anonymous version of
23:38:11 [sbp]: .google Achord P2P
23:38:12 [xena]: Achord P2P: http://blanu.net
23:38:13 [AaronSw-UK]: .google chord pdos
23:38:14 [xena]: chord pdos: http://www.pdos.lcs.mit.edu/chord
23:38:33 [sbp]: I've heard you all discussing Chord ad nauseum
23:38:48 [AaronSw-UK]: Heh.
23:38:56 [sbp]: [[[
23:38:58 [sbp]: "I will talk about how using existing technologies such as HTTP, SSL,
23:38:58 [sbp]: 802.11, XML-RPC, RDF, RSS, and UPD multicast and cutting edge designs such
23:38:58 [sbp]: as Chord, Achord, Tristero, and plex, you can build communities without
23:38:58 [sbp]: servers. You can have full-blown instant messaging, file-sharing, secure
23:38:58 [sbp]: authentication, persistent naming, web sites, and discussion groups. All
23:38:59 [sbp]: on top of a layer of consumer grade desktop computers on a mix of dialup
23:39:01 [sbp]: and broadband and with machines constantly joing and leaving the networks.
23:39:03 [sbp]: And, of course, no servers."
23:39:05 [sbp]: ]]] - http://blanu.net/
23:39:11 [AaronSw-UK]: buzzword bingo!
23:39:13 [sbp]: capitalize that "Plex", mister!
23:39:20 [sbp]: heh, heh
23:39:38 [AaronSw-UK]: Like, Chord and Achord guarantee that if something is in the network, you can get to it relatively quickly. Freenet makes no guarantees at all!
23:39:50 [AaronSw-UK]: It's just very stupidly designed.
23:40:00 [sbp]: Not a fan, eh?
23:40:18 [AaronSw-UK]: Not as of late.
23:40:37 [AaronSw-UK]: In the P2P world, it's a notch above Gnutella. ;-)
23:40:41 [sbp]: I'm not going to be able to build Chord, am I?
23:40:49 [AaronSw-UK]: Why's that?
23:41:29 [sbp]: I just have a feeling. If I can't even install shax-py...
23:42:07 [AaronSw-UK]: You never gave me the error from gcc.
23:42:15 [sbp]: """SFS should run with minimal porting on any system that has solid NFS3 support. We have run SFS successfully on OpenBSD 2.6, FreeBSD 3.3, OSF/1 4.0, and Solaris 5.7."""
23:42:19 [AaronSw-UK]: Oh, you mean the PDOS Chord? No, you won't be able to install it.
23:42:22 [AaronSw-UK]: Give up.
23:42:28 [sbp]: <sbp> error: command 'gcc' failed with exit status 1
23:42:33 [AaronSw-UK]: I mean, not even I could -- and it takes like 60 hours.
23:42:38 [sbp]: Ugh
23:42:44 [AaronSw-UK]: sbp, that's not an error -- that just tells you that it is an hour.
23:42:51 [AaronSw-UK]: Ok, that's a bit of an exaggeration.
23:43:01 [AaronSw-UK]: err is an error.
23:43:12 [sbp]: Ah
23:43:32 [sbp]: But it still didn't work for some reason. I can paste the whole log, but I doubt that it will be enlightening
23:44:29 [AaronSw-UK]: well, just a few lines above that would be good.
23:44:40 [sbp]: I already did - try the logs
23:45:07 [sbp]: [[[
23:45:08 [sbp]: sha256.h:57: warning: function declaration isn't a prototype
23:45:08 [sbp]: sha256c.c: In function `MySHA256Final':
23:45:08 [sbp]: sha256c.c:505: storage size of `scBackup' isn't known
23:45:08 [sbp]: sha256c.c:505: warning: unused variable `scBackup'
23:45:09 [sbp]: sha256c.c: In function `SHA256Copy':
23:45:12 [sbp]: sha256c.c:517: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type
23:45:13 [sbp]: sha256c.c: In function `_wrap_new__SHA256Context':
23:45:15 [sbp]: sha256c.c:606: sizeof applied to an incomplete type
23:45:17 [sbp]: sha256c.c: At top level:
23:45:19 [sbp]: sha256c.c:148: warning: `SWIG_TypeQuery' defined but not used
23:45:21 [sbp]: sha256c.c:302: warning: `SWIG_addvarlink' defined but not used
23:45:23 [sbp]: error: command 'gcc' failed with exit status 1
23:45:25 [sbp]: ]]]
23:45:27 [sbp]: there's more above that, too
23:45:33 [AaronSw-UK]: that looks quite odd.
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23:50:28 [AaronSw-UK]: what does gcc --version give?
23:50:45 [sbp]: [[[
23:50:45 [sbp]: $ gcc --version
23:50:45 [sbp]: 2.95.3-5
23:50:46 [sbp]: ]]]
23:53:20 [sbp]: If I can't install it under CygWin with the latest gcc/Python setup, how are regular Win32 folk going to cope?
23:53:54 [AaronSw-UK]: We give win32 people compiled builds, obviously.
23:54:08 [sbp]: Send me one :-)
23:54:27 [sbp]: .time
23:54:27 [xena]: 2001/12/31 23:56:04.03554 Universal
23:55:14 [AaronSw-UK]: heh
23:55:16 [sbp]: Nuts to this - I'll talk to you next year
23:55:19 [sbp]: Gotta run
23:55:21 [AaronSw-UK]: :-)
23:55:27 [AaronSw-UK]: You're supposed to compile it for me!
23:55:29 [AaronSw-UK]: happy new year!
23:55:39 [AaronSw-UK]: * AaronSw-UK watches the countdown on the BBC and gets out the crackers