00:11:51 this is what we need to do for phenomic:- 00:11:53 [[[ 00:11:53 This is first recorded in 1749 in the sense "an odd person". It 00:11:53 is *doubtful* that "quiz" came from an alleged incident in which 00:11:53 James Daly, a late-18th-century Dublin theatre manager, made a wager 00:11:53 that he could introduce a new word into the English language 00:11:54 overnight, and hired urchins to chalk the word "quiz" on every wall 00:11:56 and billboard in Dublin. 00:12:00 ]]] - http://www.english-usage.com/faq.html 00:38:38 hazmat (~ender@adsl-66-123-57-58.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net) has joined #swhack 00:47:30 sbp has quit (Killed (NickServ (Ghost: SeanP!~sean@m897-mp1-cvx3b.pop.ntl.com))) 00:47:47 sbp (~sean@m897-mp1-cvx3b.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack 00:52:40 Funny how there isn't a good synonym for "Thesaurus" 00:52:54 treasure-trove, bounty, and alms-basket are close, but no cigar 00:53:08 .google "synonym for thesaurus" 00:53:09 "synonym for thesaurus": http://teenwriting.about.com/library/weekly/aa013101a.htm 00:53:57 This might be one of those occasions which most graciously merits a much invent'd phenomic word 00:55:46 it would almost certainly need to take its root in "trove" 00:56:39 And should probably be of one syllable 00:58:03 trave? 00:58:48 Nah, people will think it's a mispelling of "trove" - which it is 01:04:11 .google trave 01:04:11 trave: http://www.leitthemen.de 01:09:44 sbp has changed the topic to: Popular sub-culture — all of your words are belong to us 01:10:10 Pff: "Popular sub-culture Â— all of your words are belong to us" 01:10:23 Â? 01:11:35 sbp has changed the topic to: Popular sub-culture - all of your words are belong to us 01:11:51 It's not a hyphen, it's an em-dash. Really. Just trust us 01:12:36 sbp has changed the topic to: Popular sub-culture - all your words are belong to us 01:12:42 Get it right, boy 01:13:26 sbp has quit ("Homer: 20 dollars? I wanted a peanut!") 01:16:47 sbp (~sean@m357-mp1-cvx4c.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack 01:17:07 @ http://infomesh.net/2001/QuickPut/ 01:17:10 A: QuickPut - An HTTP PUT Tool in Python from sbp 01:17:27 A::"""QuickPut is a little command line tool written in Python that enables one to upload a file to a server using the HTTP PUT method. It supports both basic and digest HTTP authentication, but does not solve the lost update problem.""" 01:17:28 commented item A 01:17:40 A::An #swhack exclusive! 01:17:41 commented item A 01:18:52 A::Next up: a PUT Wiki. I managed to port a Perl HTTP PUT handler to Python, and get it running under apache 01:18:52 commented item A 01:22:52 A::The PUT handler and a copy of QuickPut are available in a [http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2001Dec/0163|mail that I just sent] to www-archive 01:22:53 commented item A 01:23:04 Who needs a server when you have #swhack and www-archive? 01:26:01 When you think about it, if Alexa and Google can store all that content, there's not much need for people paying out for server space. Memory is so cheap these days, so the situation is getting better 01:26:11 Surely 01:26:24 if it's an em dash, it should be -- at least 01:26:45 or go with UTF-8 and use â€ƒ 01:27:51 No, I don't like "--"... it sucks. As for UTF, at least a hyphen displays in all browsers that I know of 01:28:16 I'm sure that people can understand that a hyphen with whitespace either side is an em-dash 01:28:22 if it's HTML you're after, &emdash; 01:28:47 I don't think it'd work - Aaron's server would convert it into &emdash; 01:29:14 Aaron' 01:29:21 good 01:29:22 Aaron's server is like that 01:30:12 personally I agree about - and -- 01:30:23 but then I'm using a monospaced font :-) 01:30:40 Heh, heh 01:32:13 Is there anything other than monospaced for IRC? I think not 01:32:36 sure, tav's client uses a proportional font 01:32:48 and I used to use proportional fonts 01:34:07 I couldn't get along with a proportional font. I tried it a couple of times, but it never looks quite right 01:34:25 And when people paste in ASCII-art, it goes all out of shape 01:34:43 yeah 01:34:54 hang out in #ascii-girls much? 01:35:03 should be easily switchable 01:35:26 Well, I just prefer fixed-width 01:35:39 dan: agreed 01:36:06 agreed? It's not a point for debate. Your client either lets you switch it, or it doesn't 01:36:18 s/switch it/switch it easily/ 01:37:15 i understood deltab to be saying "it should be easily switchable between fixed and proportional" 01:37:34 Hmm... Perhaps he can set us straight 01:37:51 any half decent client allows you to swtich, but never with ease 01:38:04 indeed 01:38:19 no. I think that he would have used "shall" rather than "should" if it were to be interpreted as you did 01:38:36 Hmm... perhaps not 01:38:40 Blargh 01:40:09 deltab: would be good time for you to speak ;p 01:40:20 Heh, heh 01:52:07 maybe I should've said 'ought to' instead 01:58:48 Ah, so tav was correct 01:58:52 Ugh: http://www.alistapart.com/stories/emen/ 02:00:02 [[[ 02:00:03 Syn: Ought, Should. 02:00:03 02:00:03 Usage: Both words imply obligation, but ought is the 02:00:03 stronger. Should may imply merely an obligation of 02:00:03 propriety, expendiency, etc.; ought denotes an 02:00:05 obligation of duty. 02:00:07 ]]] - http://www.dict.org/bin/Dict?Form=Dict2&Database=*&Query=ought 02:00:38 'it would be good if' 02:02:14 heh 03:16:20 sbp has quit (Killed (NickServ (Ghost: SeanP!~sean@m1012-mp1-cvx3b.pop.ntl.com))) 03:16:39 sbp (~sean@m1012-mp1-cvx3b.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack 03:48:01 why is rxvt giving stuff like:- 03:48:03 [[[ 03:48:03 \[\033]0;\w\007 03:48:03 \033[32m\]\u@\h \[\033[33m\w\033[0m\] 03:48:04 ]]] 03:49:31 I suppose that they're meant to be color codes etc., but it's not working 03:50:14 ah: "green user@host with a blue pathname" - http://slashdot.org/askslashdot/01/07/06/122259.shtml 03:56:54 what, all of that? 03:57:04 Yep 03:57:04 are you using bash or something else? 03:57:17 I opened up bash, and did "rxvt" 03:57:32 then an rxvt window popped up, and had that crap for a command prompt 03:58:12 echo $BASH_VERSION 03:58:46 2.05a.0(2)-release 03:59:37 hm, should work then 04:00:26 green user@host and yellow working dir, I think 04:00:32 But it' 04:00:48 it's not bash that gives the problem - it's the rxvt Window 04:02:00 type this: printf '\e[32mhi\e[m\n' 04:02:23 and tell me what you see 04:04:00 [[[ 04:04:00 printf: \e: invalid escape 04:04:00 \[\033]0;\w\007 04:04:00 \033[32m\]\u@\h \[\033[33m\w\033[0m\] 04:04:01 ]]] 04:04:25 hmm 04:04:49 try that with echo -e in place of printf 04:05:31 [[[ 04:05:32 \e[32mhi\e[m 04:05:32 \[\033]0;\w\007 04:05:32 \033[32m\]\u@\h \[\033[33m\w\033[0m\] 04:05:32 $ 04:05:32 \[\033]0;\w\007 04:05:34 \033[32m\]\u@\h \[\033[33m\w\033[0m\] 04:05:36 ]]] 04:06:13 very strange 04:06:35 type bash and one of those again 04:06:47 i.e. start a bash subshell 04:07:28 green "hi" 04:07:34 great 04:07:49 bash under rxvt is fine 04:07:57 so the problem is not with rxvt but with whatever shell you're running 04:08:06 ps $$ 04:08:15 er, exit from bash first 04:08:30 [[[ 04:08:30 PID PPID PGID WINPID TTY UID STIME COMMAND 04:08:30 125766589 1 125766589 4169200707 con 500 04:02:58 /usr/bin/BASH 04:08:30 123781785 125766589 123781785 4293962003 con 500 04:08:27 /usr/bin/RXVT 04:08:30 123785281 123781785 123785281 4171175027 0 500 04:08:28 /usr/bin/SH 04:08:30 1004165 123785281 123785281 4293963131 0 500 04:09:55 /usr/bin/PS 04:08:32 ]]] 04:09:13 only one was meant to be listed :-) 04:10:34 they're all the shells I have open? 04:11:32 $$ is normally replaced by a single pid 04:13:04 echo $$ 04:13:06 Hmm... if I start rxvt by itself, it doesn't do anything... so I need to do bash/rxvt/bash 04:13:21 echo $$ in what? 04:13:34 whatever rxvt is running 04:13:38 125774381 04:13:56 (bash/rxvt) 04:14:32 hrm 04:14:59 try running rxvt bash 04:15:13 er 04:15:18 rxvt -e bash 04:15:59 I get bash-in-rxvt in a new window 04:16:08 oh, you mean from scratch? I 04:16:10 I'll try 04:16:40 I assume you're using cygwin 04:16:50 Yes 04:20:28 does the prompt appear correctly? 04:20:46 it does when I start it from bash, but not from Windows 04:21:16 how are you doing that? 04:21:23 using a batch file 04:21:53 [[[ 04:21:53 chdir C:\[...]\Cygwin\bin 04:21:53 rxvt -e bash 04:21:54 ]]] 04:22:17 does that work? 04:22:45 nope, it just folds. When I load up rxvt by itself (taking out the -e bash), it runs, but it can't access any of the CygWin stuff 04:23:05 when you say it runs, what does it do? 04:23:14 oh, the odd shell thing 04:23:54 nope, this time it doesn't give the odd shell junk, but it doesn't access any of the CygWin directory structure. Can't even run ls etc. 04:24:08 so what do you have? 04:24:54 e.g.:- 04:24:55 [[[ 04:24:55 $ ls 04:24:55 ls: not found 04:24:55 $ 04:24:56 ]]] 04:25:11 That's when I start rxvt from Windows, using the batch file 04:25:27 ah 04:25:30 echo $PATH 04:25:43 pwd 04:27:06 PATH displays my usual PATH stuff, and pwd gives /usr/bin 04:27:38 Hmm... actually, all of the stuff in the PATH has /cygdrive/c/ rather than c:/ 04:28:00 but that's basically the same under bash 04:29:13 aha, /usr/bin isn't in the PATH info 04:29:29 if I run /usr/bin/ls it works 04:29:40 ./ls should also work 04:29:50 yep, sure does 04:35:23 sbp has quit (Killed (NickServ (Ghost: SeanP!~sean@m563-mp1-cvx4c.pop.ntl.com))) 04:35:40 sbp (~sean@m563-mp1-cvx4c.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack 04:36:42 I just did: PATH=${PATH}:/usr/bin 04:36:45 and it works now... 04:36:50 * deltab nods 04:37:38 there's likely some file you can add that to 04:37:57 * sbp hunts around 04:41:46 ah! rxvt -e /usr/bin/bash --login -i 04:41:58 Works perfectly 04:43:16 Thanks for your help, deltab 04:59:52 RXVT takes over... 04:59:53 rxvt -bg black -fg lightgrey -sl 10000 -e /usr/bin/bash --login -i 05:06:11 Oh, CygWin kicks-ass. 05:43:31 Hmm... nano is pretty intuitive 05:44:59 In fact, it's almost a Notepad-for-*nix 05:49:45 it's a shame it can't cut a range of selected text, other than a line... but it's still pretty good 05:59:54 Ooh: http://starship.python.net/crew/theller/py2exe/ 06:02:17 Gotta run 06:12:56 ctrl-^ 06:34:02 sbp has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06:50:41 AaronSw-UK (Snak@ACAAD77C.ipt.aol.com) has joined #swhack 06:51:31 AaronSw-UK has quit (Client Quit) 07:50:58 AaronSw-UK (Snak@ACAAD77C.ipt.aol.com) has joined #swhack 07:55:42 hi 08:04:26 c'ya tav 08:37:53 @ http://info.alexa.com/data/destination_site 08:37:56 B: http://info.alexa.com/data/destination_site from AaronSw-UK 08:38:26 B:|Alexa (Redesigned) 08:38:27 titled item B 08:38:36 B::Is Alexa going to be the next Yahoo! or something? 08:38:37 commented item B 08:40:17 B::Their XSLT-based system (see previous chumpings) needs some work. While [it provides useful Alexa stats|http://info.alexa.com/data/details?url=http://web.archive.org/] it also seems to get some things confused. Like what does this comment have to do with the Web Archive?: "Yo mate, this kid is a friend of mine and is just getting his site up a going. Been a good student and takes a mean pic. Keep of the good work and suport this web man." 08:40:18 commented item B 08:43:47 B::I'm not sure exactly where they're going. It seems a little odd that after they got [bought by Amazon|http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1007-200-341688.html] they started doing [comparison shopping|http://www.alexa.com/exec/faqsidos/help/index.html?index=60]. 08:44:25 commented item B 08:49:32 Heh heh @ the figlet atop http://clark.dallas.tx.us/kendall/ 09:36:52 * AaronSw-UK notes that tav is not on time 09:39:17 .seen aaronsw 09:39:17 AaronSw seen joining #rdfig ~ 1 day(s) 21 hr(s) 18 min(s) 25 sec(s) ago 09:39:24 hmm 09:41:36 .email gwachob@wachob.com mealling and urcs/urns // can you send a copy of his response to www-archive for all the world to see? Sounds like he said some interesting things. Thanks. 09:41:36 email successfully sent. 09:43:19 looks like tav is here 09:43:20 AaronSw-UK has quit ("tav") 10:47:02 tansaku (sam@r22m196.cybercable.tm.fr) has joined #swhack 11:15:11 tansaku has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11:45:13 AaronSw-UK (Snak@AC95A304.ipt.aol.com) has joined #swhack 11:45:21 AaronSw-UK is now known as BenSw 11:46:35 * BenSw waves 11:46:38 hi 12:14:33 <[gone]slydder> [gone]slydder (~h323@pD9E0C8F1.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #swhack 12:14:43 <[gone]slydder> [gone]slydder has left #swhack 13:50:56 BenSw has quit ("tav") 15:11:48 AaronSw-UK (Snak@AC8B6DA6.ipt.aol.com) has joined #swhack 15:11:58 AaronSw-UK has quit (Client Quit) 15:13:38 AaronSw-UK (Snak@AC8B6DA6.ipt.aol.com) has joined #swhack 15:13:48 and tav leaves 15:14:27 Well, that was cool. tav seemed sort of disappointed that we didn't get much done, but I was trying to use the time to establish shared context as opposed to really planning something. 15:15:14 tav is much taller than his nick implies. 15:16:18 i think i succeeded in the context thing -- i now sort of understand the vision 15:17:03 altho i think my scattershot approach to questions sort of confused him 15:18:54 and i got a cool photo of him saying hmz 15:20:16 tav also has a cool walk 16:17:54 AaronSw-UK has quit ("Snak 4.8 IRC For Mac - http://www.snak.com") 17:05:18 [GloblaNotice] Hello all, just a quick reminder for everyone... If anyone asks you to join #secrets, please do not. Due to some problems with a bunch of clone bots joining that particular channel, an automatic kline is issued for any user/host that attemps to join that channel. We've had a large number of people join this channel by mistake and get klined. So, do yourself a favor, and don't attempt it. Hopefully the clones will die off at some point. Thank y 17:14:23 rillian (~giles@user-24-214-75-28.knology.net) has joined #swhack 17:37:44 sbp (~sean@m44-mp1-cvx4c.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack 17:55:37 * rillian waves hello 17:55:38 sbp has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18:11:18 tansaku (sam@r22m196.cybercable.tm.fr) has joined #swhack 22:00:06 sbp (~sean@m796-mp1-cvx3b.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack 22:14:45 Crap, I broke a string 22:15:22 Aaaaargh! Now I have to find another D-string from somewhere... 22:17:53 * sbp finds an old A-String in his mess of strings. It'll probably explode, but oh well 22:21:16 a what? 22:23:14 Oh, damnit! It's not even long enough... I trimmed it. So now I'm going to have to tie it... heh, heh 22:23:25 a string 22:27:23 * sbp finds a length of D, cuts a bit off 22:37:26 * sbp finds that the strings actually fits, but has to denute by another step, and put the capo up a couple of frets... eek 23:01:47 AaronSw-UK (Snak@AC961392.ipt.aol.com) has joined #swhack 23:02:44 @ http://www.lordoftherings.net/ 23:02:51 C: http://www.lordoftherings.net/ from AaronSw-UK 23:03:29 C:|The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring 23:03:30 titled item C 23:03:45 C::A very nice movie! 23:03:46 commented item C 23:05:24 sbp has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23:38:21 AaronSw-UK: just saw it? it's awesome that they're doing a simultaneous release 23:39:28 C::If you were worried about being disappointed because of the hype...don't be. 23:39:30 commented item C 23:51:15 Yeah, just saw it. 23:51:27 On a nice big screen. 23:54:24 nite 23:54:29 AaronSw-UK has quit ("sleep")