00:42:23 sbp has quit (Killed (NickServ (Ghost: SeanP!~sean@m496-mp1-cvx3b.pop.ntl.com))) 00:42:42 sbp (~sean@m496-mp1-cvx3b.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack 01:14:55 Hooray: I got an HTTP PUT client that I've been hacking on to work with Basic Authentication 01:15:05 Digest is going to be a bit more difficult 01:45:13 sbp has quit (Killed (NickServ (Ghost: SeanP!~sean@m40-mp1-cvx4c.pop.ntl.com))) 01:45:30 sbp (~sean@m40-mp1-cvx4c.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack 02:05:47 in python? 02:05:57 if so checkout the urllib2 library. cheers 02:41:42 Yep, I have (of course). In fact, I just scraped out the relevent functions, and jigged them so that they can handle HEAD/PUT. And it works for HEAD (just modifying for PUT) 02:43:48 Hooray! It worked 02:47:41 * sbp was able to reuse some of the stuff out of urllib2, but not much 02:49:50 Hmm... the trickiest thing is to give it a neat command line format 02:49:59 Because there are a few options 03:01:56 * sbp settles on an approach 03:14:02 Hmm... I could add FTP to it as well; then I might actually use it for something 03:14:34 Blargh, it doesn't even check for lost updates yet. Couldn't be bothered to mess about with ETags and stuff yet 03:44:51 sbp has quit (Killed (NickServ (Ghost: SeanP!~sean@m633-mp1-cvx3b.pop.ntl.com))) 03:45:09 sbp (~sean@m633-mp1-cvx3b.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack 05:44:26 sbp has quit (Killed (NickServ (Ghost: SeanP!~sean@m659-mp1-cvx3b.pop.ntl.com))) 05:44:44 sbp (~sean@m659-mp1-cvx3b.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack 06:03:34 sbp has quit ("Homer: 20 dollars? I wanted a peanut!") 06:43:49 tav` has quit (Ping timeout: 180 seconds) 17:00:07 AaronSw-UK (Snak@AC8C0B08.ipt.aol.com) has joined #swhack 17:01:01 hi :-) 17:01:11 .time est 17:01:12 Dec. 29, 2001 12:02 pm US/Eastern 17:12:41 sbp (~sean@m511-mp1-cvx3b.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack 17:13:11 hi sbp 17:13:32 Er... hi 17:13:43 Er? 17:13:44 * sbp figures it out quickly 17:13:57 Heh, it's dark already over here :-) 17:14:12 :-) 17:14:38 Sorta nice like that. 17:15:20 I think we'll be visiting you on Monday. 17:15:24 That OK? 17:15:59 Yep, that's absolutely fine 17:16:06 Not sure how long we'll be there though, since we probably won't get there until 11, and we'll have to leave to make the New Year's Eve party in Grenwich. 17:16:51 And we wanted to tour the stuff there first... 17:17:07 sbp has quit (Killed (NickServ (Ghost: SeanP!~sean@m531-mp1-cvx3b.pop.ntl.com))) 17:17:25 sbp (~sean@m531-mp1-cvx3b.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack 17:17:59 Yep, that's O.K. 17:18:32 Heh, you're much less picky than tav. 17:19:28 What time do you think you'll be down then - 11-12ish? 17:19:58 did you get the logs? I said: "we probably won't get there until 11" 17:20:17 Have you checked the trains for New Year's Eve, BTW? Might be a few travelling, if you want to get back for that party 17:20:40 Hmm. 17:21:09 Well that's fine because I probably won't be able to get up much earlier than that (and be all that alert) :-) 17:21:15 Heh. 17:21:15 i think we sort of assumed there'd be trains 17:22:06 Well, it's always best to check. Trains go nuts over here sometimes - lots of construction work, and the dreaded "leaves on the line" 17:22:29 And, they just don't have as many trains on as usual over holidays 17:24:16 Since my mother has been saying nothing else but "I wonder what they'd like in their sandwiches" for the past several weeks, I just have to ask... what do you want in your sandwiches? :-) 17:24:18 leaves on the line? 17:24:39 yeah, they tend to jump off of the trees at this time of the year 17:27:58 sbp has changed the topic to: Box-Tossing Day was ages ago 17:29:15 sbp has changed the topic to: Home of Aaron's Oddessy [sic] 17:31:01 Umm, OK. 17:31:21 Oh dear... I have to decide what I want in my sandwich? 17:32:07 I'm afraid so. Sorry that it had to come to that 17:33:13 Well, for comparison, I eat like two bagels for lunch when I'm at home. Plain bagels. 17:33:47 Today I had a bagguette, yesterday a steak. 17:34:49 Ah... so you'll be wanting a lavish five-course meal with all the trimmings? 17:35:14 Er... bagel sandwich, then? 17:35:18 Oops, I forgot to put the archive link on the front page. 17:35:20 * AaronSw-UK smacks head 17:35:35 Hmm, so I guess that doesn't really answer the question. 17:35:39 Nope 17:36:48 How do I get XSLT to stop ignoring my spacing? 17:37:32 xsl:preserve-space 17:37:49 on xsl:output? 17:38:16 .google xsl:preserve-space 17:38:17 xsl:preserve-space: http://www.vbxml.com/xsl/elmxsl_preserve-space.asp 17:39:23 .google preserve-space site:dpawson.co.uk 17:39:24 preserve-space site:dpawson.co.uk: /url?sa=U&start=1&q=http://www.dpawson.co.uk/xsl/sect3/N8494.html&e=747 17:39:31 http://www.dpawson.co.uk/xsl/sect3/N8494.html 17:40:25 Must be nice programming XSLT in a different country :-) 17:40:30 Heh heh. 17:40:44 I found that in w3.org/tr/xslt under "Whitespace" :-) 17:40:58 http://www.w3.org/TR/xslt#strip 17:41:50 hmm, that seems to have eliminated all text 17:41:59 err, all markup 17:42:48 heh 17:42:52 what has? 17:43:04

17:49:36 sbp has quit (Ping timeout: 180 seconds) 17:49:42 I went to the most awesome restaurant last night 17:50:50 @ http://www.dine-online.co.uk/giraffe.htm 17:50:53 A: London Restaurants, dining: Giraffe from AaronSw-UK 17:51:06 A:|Giraffe, the Restaurant 17:51:07 titled item A 17:51:27 A::We went to this restaurant last night -- I absolutely loved it. 17:51:27 commented item A 17:52:09 sbp (~sean@m531-mp1-cvx3b.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack 17:55:37 AaronSw-UK has quit ("dinner") 18:40:49 sbp has quit (Ping timeout: 180 seconds) 20:14:30 sbp (~sean@m771-mp1-cvx4c.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack 20:30:58 ibm's developer works favicon looks like an alien 20:41:37 Hmm... what's with Galeon? 20:43:37 http://www.gtlinc.com/gnome.html 20:48:05 sbp has quit (Killed (NickServ (Ghost: SeanP!~sean@m8-mp1-cvx4c.pop.ntl.com))) 20:48:27 sbp (~sean@m8-mp1-cvx4c.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack 20:49:27 logster, grep "^<[^>]+> http://[^ ">]+$" 20:49:38 I'm logging. Sorry, nothing found for '"^<[^>]+> http://[^ ">]+$"' (internally: ""^<[^>]+> http:\/\/[^ ">]+"") 20:50:06 logster, grep <[^>]+> http://[^ ">]+ 20:50:25 I'm logging. I found 452 answers for '<[^>]+> http://[^ ">]+' (showing 0...4) 20:50:26 0) 2001-12-29 20:43:37 http://www.gtlinc.com/gnome.html 20:50:27 1) 2001-12-29 17:40:58 http://www.w3.org/TR/xslt#strip 20:50:28 2) 2001-12-29 17:39:31 http://www.dpawson.co.uk/xsl/sect3/N8494.html 20:50:29 3) 2001-12-28 16:00:03 http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2001/12/18/eguillermo.DTL 20:50:30 4) 2001-12-28 02:43:07 http://eserver.org/langs/palindromes.txt 20:51:12 * logster is already logging 20:52:03 * logster is already logging 20:52:58 AaronSw-UK (Snak@ACAEE648.ipt.aol.com) has joined #swhack 20:53:53 hello again 20:54:37 sbp, what's the train stop near you called? 20:56:01 We don't have one. Ahem 20:56:06 Heh. 20:56:26 I can collect you in a Taxi, if you'd like 20:56:40 Er... perhaps not; how many of you are there going to be? 20:56:47 well, 5 20:57:07 Hmm... yes; perhaps not 20:57:09 You can walk 20:57:16 Ok, we like walking. 20:57:19 Heh, heh 20:57:37 There's a Taxi place near the station, or regular bus routes 20:57:39 We just got back from our first tube ride... but we've been using cabs a lot here. 20:57:47 Ooh, the underground 20:58:01 Yeah, still have to go on a double-decker bus. 20:58:12 They're rather fun too 20:58:16 Hmm, does the train place have a website? 20:58:25 Er... let me check, but I doubt it 20:58:54 Nope, it doesn't seem to 20:58:59 eh, doesn't exist then. bloody useless ;-) 20:59:33 heh heh 21:00:20 "Welcome to the City by the Sea" - http://www.brighton-hove.gov.uk/ 21:00:32 They like Random Capitalization here -- some funny stuff like that in the taxis. 21:01:07 This must be your fault: "Free! disability film screening - celebrating diversity" 21:01:52 You've got the wrong guy, guv'ner 21:02:05 ah, railtrack 21:02:26 http://212.87.65.227/bin/newquery.exe/en 21:02:30 via http://www.brighton-hove.gov.uk/site01.cfm?request=c1000163 21:07:24 hmm, so we'll probably be there 4 hours 21:07:47 ugh, lots of POSTs 21:07:52 where there should be GETs 21:12:11 rest of family thinking of visiting brighton museums and such while i'm with you 21:12:37 Good idea 21:13:25 The underground had some very nicely done performance graphs 21:13:34 UK is much more Tuftian than the US. 21:14:27 this is where we will probably be going: http://www.thetube.com/content/metro/01/0112/13/ 21:15:20 Neat 21:50:20 Hmm, remind me to go to sleep. I've got tav coming tomorrow morning. 21:50:34 And if I don't get enough sleep, what he says might make sense, which is obviously very dangerous. 21:52:27 Yes. Go to sleep now! 21:53:42 Heh heh. 21:54:35 I do like London. I want to move to Marlyebone and be a hip urbanite who goes to Jazz clubs and listens to world music while eating at restaurants named after animals which serve food from around the world, while wearing cool clothing and picking up trash people have left behind. 21:54:49 BLURB:UK Trip Update 21:54:52 B: UK Trip Update from AaronSw-UK 21:54:56 B::I do like London. I want to move to Marlyebone and be a hip urbanite who goes to Jazz clubs and listens to world music while eating at restaurants named after animals which serve food from around the world, while wearing cool clothing and picking up trash people have left behind. 21:54:57 commented item B 21:55:31 B::Me too, me too! Oh, yes! 21:55:32 commented item B 21:56:34 B::And we can live in fancy modern office buildings playing table tennis and working on projects that take over the world by ensuring no one can take over the world. 21:56:35 commented item B 21:56:56 BTW, I realized that everyone in the dream was there using holographic VR headsets -- they never left their actual physical lives. 21:57:17 well, i'm not sure about the headsets 21:57:20 Pff, that sucks. I wanna *be* there 21:57:30 yeah 21:58:18 * sbp finds a few songs from yesteryear 22:02:01 Ah, Westward Shores 22:02:23 save them for me ;) 22:03:54 Two guitars in chorus... 22:04:55 don't look at me 22:05:02 .webster expatriot 22:05:14 @ http://www.erights.org/download/0-8-10/index.html 22:05:21 C: http://www.erights.org/download/0-8-10/index.html from AaronSw-UK 22:05:38 Why is kearney banned? 22:05:39 C:|E 0.8.10 Supports Mac OS X 22:05:40 titled item C 22:05:53 C::via [Wes|http://www.erights.org/download/0-8-10/] 22:05:54 commented item C 22:06:02 What makes you say that? 22:06:25 logster, grep BanServ 22:07:32 I'm logging. I found 6 answers for 'BanServ' (showing 0...4) 22:07:33 0) 2001-12-29 22:06:25 logster, grep BanServ 22:07:34 1) 2001-12-24 20:23:07 BanServ? 22:07:35 2) 2001-12-24 20:22:06 BanServ has quit (Client Quit) 22:07:36 3) 2001-12-24 20:21:34 BanServ (~bob@12-249-96-16.client.attbi.com) has joined #swhack 22:07:37 4) 2001-12-24 17:38:38 BanServ has quit (Client Quit) 22:09:06 wkearny*!*@*.elnk.dsl.gtei.net BanServ (~bob@12-249[...]attbi.com) 22:09:18 s/wkearny/wkearney/ 22:09:21 hmmodd 22:10:06 [[[ 22:10:06 17:34:54 BobO (~bob@12-249-96-16.client.attbi.com) has joined #swhack 22:10:06 17:35:40 BobO has kicked xena from #swhack 22:10:06 17:35:46 BobO has kicked wkearney99 from #swhack 22:10:06 17:35:53 BobO has quit (Client Quit) 22:10:07 ]]] 22:12:17 Well? 22:14:25 Well, what? 22:14:26 sheesh, i'm getting so much crazy mail while i'm away 22:14:47 i'll probably be setting up a spam blocker on vorpal 22:15:35 @ http://www.raggedcastle.com/andyjw/blogaccess.htm 22:15:38 D: Weblog Accessibility from AaronSw-UK 22:16:00 D::I hope that our weblog passes these tests. 22:16:01 commented item D 22:18:52 D::Heh, heh 22:18:53 commented item D 22:19:01 D::I like """Web Access Initiative recommends in the Web Content Accessibility Guidelines (a must read if you care about accessibility)""" 22:19:02 commented item D 22:19:14 Adam L. Beberg on why open source projects exist: "Basicly, geeks need something to do too. Normal people are out drinking, playing sports, watching TV for hours, having sex, raising hellspawn." 22:19:29 D::That's the Web *Accessibility* Initiative. Unless he's marked up "Access" with an element? Nope, didn't think so 22:19:30 commented item D 22:19:34 "Geeks really dont do these things. So, geeks rewrite and rerewrite software, over and over and over. Trying to obtain that transcendent piece of code so complex that no other geek can copy it, creating the potential for brief profit. Of course this has never happened." 22:19:51 D::Oh, and this is great: """Style Sheets""" 22:19:52 commented item D 22:20:05 D::lol 22:20:07 commented item D 22:20:56 D::But good advice, anyway 22:20:57 commented item D 22:22:43 I suppose you went to the Marylebone Giraffe? 22:23:07 Yep. 22:23:26 How many hits is our what's-its-name getting? 22:23:31 WebLog 22:23:40 A::Website coming soon to [Giraffe.net|http://www.giraffe.net/]. 22:23:42 commented item A 22:25:16 front page got 40 hits today 22:25:23 bbiab 22:25:33 O.K 22:25:38 s/K/K./ 22:25:56 I should say "Mmmkay", really, and be done with it 22:26:24 It's debatable as to whether or not "Mmmkay" is easier to spell than "O.K.", though, I accept 22:28:44 @ http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a2_250 22:28:56 E: The Straight Dope: What does "OK" stand for? from sbp 22:29:26 E:|Etymology of "O.K." 22:29:27 titled item E 22:30:24 E::There's a surprising about of debate over the topic, but this article is pretty conclusive 22:30:25 commented item E 22:37:01 E::cf. [http://www.ling.ed.ac.uk/linguist/issues/4/4-694.html|Linguist: Eymology of OK] 22:37:02 commented item E 22:40:29 E:|Etymology of O.K. 22:40:31 titled item E 22:42:26 E::"""The earliest known citation is from 22:42:26 the Boston Morning Post of 23 March 1839: " [...] he of the 22:42:26 Journal, and his train-band, would have the 'contributions box,' et 22:42:26 ceteras, o.k. -- all correct -- and cause the corks to fly." This 22:42:26 was a facetious suggestion by a Boston editor that a Providence 22:42:26 editor (the Journal mentioned was in Providence) sponsor a party. 22:42:27 commented item E 22:42:31 well, bollocks 22:42:50 E::the Boston Morning Post of 23 March 1839: " [...] he of the Journal, and his train-band, would have the 'contributions box,' et ceteras, o.k. -- all correct -- and cause the corks to fly." This was a facetious suggestion by a Boston editor that a Providence 22:42:51 commented item E 22:43:30 E::editor (the Journal mentioned was in Providence) sponsor a party.""" - [http://www.alt-usage-english.org/excerpts/fxokxxxx.html|FAQ Excerpt: O.K.] 22:43:31 commented item E 22:48:20 sbp has quit (Killed (NickServ (Ghost: SeanP!~sean@m781-mp1-cvx4c.pop.ntl.com))) 22:48:38 sbp (~sean@m781-mp1-cvx4c.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack 22:49:00 E::Also: [http://www.m-w.com/whist/ok.htm|O.K. alright], [http://www.wordorigins.org/wordoro.htm|Wordorigins letter O], [http://www.urbanlegends.com/language/etymology/ok_etymology_of.html|O.K., Etymology of] 22:49:02 commented item E 22:50:53 E::So, it was coined by the Anti-Bell-Ringing-Society, in Boston, c.1839, and stands for "oll korrect" 22:50:54 commented item E 22:55:04 oll korrect -- heh 22:55:14 who would be against bell ringing? 22:56:11 sounds like the original acronyms 22:56:28 hazmat has quit (Remote closed the connection) 22:56:59 I can't find any information about the ABRS 22:59:18 'a "frolicsome group," as Read describes them' 23:02:38 Yeah. Well, it's hardly an in-depth insight into their nature and workings, is it? 23:02:41 Ooh: http://www.reportercentral.com/reference/vocabulary/numbernames.html 23:04:22 hmm, i don't believe that google is the american name for the gogol 23:04:26 err googol 23:04:41 he doesn't even include the googolplex 23:04:56 oh, there he does 23:05:22 "It's a number only a mathematician could love. " 23:05:42 he doesn't discuss the new mebibytes tho 23:10:06 neat word:- 23:10:07 [[[ 23:10:07 gry, n. [L. gry, a trifle; Gr. gry, a grunt] 23:10:07 1. a measure equal to one-tenth of a line. [Obs.] (Obs. = obsolete) 23:10:07 2. anything very small. [Rare.] 23:10:14 ]]] - http://einstein.et.tudelft.nl/~arlet/puzzles/sol.cgi/language/english/spelling/gry 23:10:19 from the "-gry" problem 23:20:14 Heh: """The Monthly Mirror, for example, beat its breast over �the corruptions and barbarisms which are hourly obtaining in the speech of our trans-Atlantic colonies.� 23:20:14 (Note the word �colonies,� despite the Treaty of Paris.)""" - http://pw1.netcom.com/~rlederer/arcartcl.htm 23:20:47 """But our home-grown treasure, Mark Twain, put it all into perspective when he quipped about American English, as compared with British English: �The property has gone into the hands of a joint stock company, and we own the bulk of the shares.�""" 23:21:28 Its an apostrophe catastrophe! 23:27:39 tav` (tav@host217-34-83-190.in-addr.btopenworld.com) has joined #swhack 23:29:12 Hmm... Shakespeare coined "Pedant"? 23:29:24 .google Shakespeare Pedant etymology 23:29:25 Shakespeare Pedant etymology: http://pw1.netcom.com/~rlederer/arcwdcr2.htm 23:31:03 [[[ 23:31:05 ETYMOLOGY: French p�dant or Italian pedante (French, from Italian), possibly from Vulgar Latin *paedns, *paedent-, present participle of *paedere, to instruct, probably from Greek paideuein, from pais, paid-, child. 23:31:11 ]]] - http://www.yahooligans.com/reference/dictionary/entries/42/p0144200.html 23:40:09 AaronSw-UK has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23:49:18 * sbp finds some old drafts of the Gettysberg address 23:49:42 http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/gadd/gadrft.html (from the LOC)