00:01:26 sbp, hazmat, tav: what do you think of new text on http://plexdev.org/ 00:03:40 cite http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/xml/library/s-digsig.html 00:05:27 I think he's probably wrong about this specific instancec. 00:05:40 Just because URIs are used as identifiers doesn't mean someone can charge. 00:06:11 the text looks fine, but the bold words are a bit much. overall its looks much better! :) 00:06:20 heh, thanks 00:07:59 sbp has quit (Ping timeout: 180 seconds) 00:08:38 hazmat, what do you think of the highlighting on http://swag.webns.net/ ? 00:08:54 sbp (~sean@m409-mp1-cvx3b.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack 00:09:12 wb, sbp 00:09:14 * sbp writes an article on Agoraphobia and Liberty 00:09:27 sounds interesting 00:09:41 what do you think of new text on http://plexdev.org 00:09:54 good text (just read it) 00:09:59 AaronSw: in that context s.w.n it looks fine, i'm not sure how well the effect transfers but on the other hand this completely subjective. 00:10:15 s.w.n? 00:10:23 swag.webns.net 00:10:24 not sure about the present tense, though 00:10:39 hazmat, ah. 00:10:53 i think i'll leave it out for now 00:11:02 * hazmat has been having a few drinks ;) 00:11:08 heh 00:14:08 Aaron, what do your folks think about your Schoolyard Subversion stuff? 00:14:29 i dunno 00:14:58 they seem to like it well enough 00:15:40 man, my mouse is really acting up today 00:24:44 cool, we validate except for tav's bit now 00:26:25 now to check it out in links 00:27:11 Wow, looks pretty good. Many props to Links. 00:27:19 I wonder if I should leave the "A blue dot" in. 00:28:03 it does look a bit odd :-) 00:28:41 gone 00:28:47 use it as a title 00:29:49 ok 00:30:02 Looks reasonable in lynx too. 00:30:27 no alt text? 00:30:33 yeah, fixed that 00:31:20 could it have alt="Home"? 00:32:18 I suppose I should really patch Links to be smarter about links 00:32:40 "The Plex Project" is already a link to home, do we need a second? 00:32:56 you already have one 00:33:09 Isn't that what I said? 00:33:16 a second link 00:33:29 Where's that? 00:33:36 that dot 00:33:44 Oh, I meant for Links users. 00:34:06 it's a second link for Links users 00:34:14 Links displays it as [IMG] 00:34:26 oh, i see. 00:34:32 i was still in lunx 00:34:34 err lynx 00:35:15 fixed 00:35:29 what's the syntax for making a patch? 00:35:34 diff -u oldfile newfile ? 00:35:42 yep 00:35:57 if you have multiple files, -urN 00:37:21 cool 00:37:31 * AaronSw crosses fingers and reinstalls mc 00:37:55 the idea behind Links doing that is that links should always be accessible 00:38:15 makes sense 00:38:20 but it's not smart enough to check whether the link is in fact accessible some other way 00:38:38 such as text immediately to the right 00:40:19 oops, patched the wrong program 00:42:34 * AaronSw crosses fingers and reinstalls _sawfish) 00:43:13 heh: "acl:cryptoCrap" 00:43:24 in http://www.w3.org/2000/10/swap/test/acl-pf.n3 00:44:31 hee 00:46:40 She sells sea shells on the sea shore. She said "surely, someone will come a shellin', and buy a few shells or more" 00:47:36 which brings me to my point: is there such a word as "shelling"? 00:48:12 Google seems to think so, so I'll presume "yes" 00:48:45 of course, Google could be wrong, but I doubt it 00:49:00 why would Google lie to us? What possible motive would it have? 00:56:27 Man, Gnome takes years to compile. I hate to think what Gnome 2 will be like. 00:57:46 I think this is my third day of Gnome compilation so far. 01:01:56 day? 01:03:01 yeah, as in 24-hour period. 01:03:04 "hour" would have been scary. What are you on? 33MHz? 01:03:10 heh heh heh 01:03:14 see, i told you it took a while 01:03:23 deary me 01:03:50 of course a large part of those days were used up waiting for me to answer yes to some prompt or another 01:03:58 but still 01:04:15 ugh, who says "deary me" in this day and age? I retract that statement, to a certain extent 01:04:35 Do you like prompts? [Y/N] 01:04:40 lol 01:05:55 have you ever tried installing a piece of software on two different machines? But instead of repeating the process, do a mirror install: hammer the Y key on one computer, and the N key on t'other 01:06:10 no, can't say i have 01:06:51 tsk, you live in a horridly sane little world, don't you? :-) 01:07:27 * sbp hasn't done it either, he should note. Two different machines? 01:08:03 "Methodology" is an annoying buzzword, isn't? Quite proactive 01:09:43 Heh, I feel a bit like that guy who defeated the French at the Battle Of Cannes. Captain someone? The good old days 01:10:28 Hmm... that was a bit of a Simpsons-inspired quote 01:11:42 Homer: Stealing! How could you? Haven't you learned anything from that guy who gives those sermons at church? Captain what's-his-name? 01:12:34 Pff: and I shouldn't have capitalized "of". What's up with that? 01:13:20 wow, I'm getting closer -- only 3 more packages to install 01:14:06 Let's see... at one day per package... that's 3 times however many days per package, isn't it? How many days in package? Oh, I don't have time for this. 01:15:48 [[[ 01:15:48 Homer: Hmm, eight dollars a pound times, say, oh, five pounds is, 01:15:49 um, uh, let's see . . . how many pounds in a gallon? [pause] 01:15:49 Oh, I can't afford that! Unless ... 01:15:54 ]]] - http://www.snpp.com/episodes/AABF03 01:16:07 heh heh heh 01:16:27 too much simpsons make sbp 01:16:35 lol 01:17:00 Go crazy? Don't mind if I do 01:17:22 Well, these do appear to be the big packages: gnome-applets, gnome-core and gnome-utils. 01:17:34 but at least the other 15 or so are done 01:23:34 Ooh, figlet! 01:23:36 _ 01:23:36 ___| |__ _ __ 01:23:36 __| '_ \| '_ \ 01:23:36 \__ \ |_) | |_) | 01:23:36 |___/_.__/| .__/ 01:23:37 |_| 01:23:50 oops 01:23:57 _ 01:23:57 ___| |__ _ __ 01:23:57 / __| '_ \| '_ \ 01:23:57 \__ \ |_) | |_) | 01:23:57 |___/_.__/| .__/ 01:23:58 |_| 01:24:10 kick-ass 01:24:32 it has like 200 fonts 01:25:01 figlet? 01:25:08 yeah 01:25:24 that makes me want to giggle in an exispeciferous way 01:25:30 .google exispeciferous 01:25:30 exispeciferous: http://blogspace.com/swhack/chatlogs/2001-09-24.txt 01:25:38 hooray! 01:25:48 exispeciferous! 01:26:18 what a whimsically spangular word 01:26:21 ___ _____ 01:26:21 / | ____ __________ ____ / ___/ __ 01:26:21 / /| |/ __ `/ ___/ __ \/ __ \\__ \ | /| / / 01:26:21 / ___ / /_/ / / / /_/ / / / /__/ / |/ |/ / 01:26:21 /_/ |_\__,_/_/ \____/_/ /_/____/|__/|__/ 01:26:35 heh, cool 01:27:01 ooh: curl http://blogspace.com/swhack/chatlogs/latest/ | tail -n 10 | figlet 01:27:27 err s/latest\//latest/ 01:28:10 oh that's awesome 01:28:18 can you post the result somewhere? 01:30:27 hmm, the linewrapping is wrong 01:30:28 __ _ _ ___ __ _ _______ __ _ __ _ _ 01:30:28 / \/ (_)_ )/ /(_)__ / __| / / __| |__ _ __\ \ | |_ ___| |_ 01:30:28 | () | |_ / // _ \_ |_ \__ \ < < (_-< '_ \ '_ \> > | ' \/ -_) ' \ 01:30:28 \__/|_(_)___\___(_)___/___/ \_\/__/_.__/ .__/_/ |_||_\___|_||_\ 01:30:28 |_| 01:30:51 .google figlet web service 01:30:52 figlet web service: http://www.surfplaza.com/figlet 01:35:17 "The requested URL /figlet/figlet.cgi was not found on this server." 01:35:49 http://www.schnoggo.com/figlet.html 01:39:42 I feel that I should convert my homepage to figlet 01:40:22 aaaaargh! 01:40:30 That'll be really annoying to blind people. 01:40:34 lol: http://radio.weblogs.com/0001011/images/writesomedocs.gif 01:43:48 as an alternative, of course 01:43:55 Ah. 01:44:06 The CD "copy protection" is pretty silly. 01:44:38 cf. http://www.siliconvalley.com/docs/news/svfront/cd121701.htm 01:44:54 Note how Hillary Rosen keeps saying that there's been harm caused, but never says how. 01:45:04 Like she's never said that record sales have fallen, because they haven't. 01:45:14 I should blog this. 01:45:15 @ http://www.siliconvalley.com/docs/news/svfront/cd121701.htm 01:45:20 A: Universal to release copy-protected CD in U.S. (12/16/2001) from AaronSw 01:46:42 A::This "copy protection" is pretty funny. They basically put a number of errors in the CD so that it doesn't work with current CD ripping software. I'm sure the next version of all the software will fix this. 01:46:42 A::Note how Hillary Rosen keeps saying that there's been harm caused, but never says how. Like she's never said that record sales have fallen, because I don't think they have. 01:46:43 commented item A 01:46:45 commented item A 01:47:40 A::I agree with the point that the drop of in sales figures is probably due to the poor crop of music this year 01:47:41 commented item A 01:47:58 More of a crock than a crop 01:48:14 A couple of good albums... "Love And Theft", of course 01:48:58 A::It is good to see that consumers aren't taking this easily. 01:48:59 commented item A 01:54:13 A::Perhaps if CDs weren't so insanely overpriced they wouldn't have to worry about "15 high school friends from getting together and pooling their money to buy a single music CD and a spindle of blank discs and making dubs for everyone in the group -- with a few extras to sell at school." 01:54:14 commented item A 01:55:07 A::And I can't say I'd shed a tear if consumers are learning they don't have to listen to the same old look-alike bands. 01:55:07 commented item A 01:56:42 if it just needed software changes, they'd already be done 01:57:03 Err, hardware changes. 01:57:03 the error checking is done internally by the drive, I think 01:57:12 Yeah. 01:57:30 s/software/hardware/ above... my bad 01:57:43 but I'm sure the companies that make regionless dvd players would be happy to make drives with optional error checking 01:58:35 Yeah, exactly. 01:59:06 And I'm not sure what the dual-session CDs gain them. 02:02:33 A::I think the copy protection warning sticker should say "Parental Advisory Warning" on it. ;-) 02:02:34 commented item A 02:03:35 : Showing that "soon" is a relative term since Apr 2001/ 02:04:39 From my underground school magazine contact: "Believe it or not, your piece was pretty popular. I even caught a few kids (one or two anyways) chatting about it at school after I dropped the mag in a few strategic locations." 02:07:12 The piece is here: http://swartzfam.com/aaron/school/2000/11/01/ 02:07:28 Needs some polishing up, IMO. 02:08:20 sbp has quit (Killed (NickServ (Ghost: SeanP!~sean@m510-mp1-cvx3b.pop.ntl.com))) 02:08:37 sbp (~sean@m510-mp1-cvx3b.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack 02:09:03 I'm trying to pick something for the next issue. 02:09:06 http://swartzfam.com/aaron/school/2001/01/15/ is pretty funny. 02:11:23 Homer: It's funny because it's true 02:11:40 Yep. 02:12:04 Or I could always take the bad poetry approach: http://swartzfam.com/aaron/school/2001/03/01/ 02:12:29 I used English assignments as an opportunity to write schoolyard subversion pieces. 02:13:29 is that first bit meant to be a Haiku? One more syllable | Makes me want to scream out | "Six in the first line!" 02:13:44 s/out/out loud/ 02:13:55 heh heh 02:14:11 I guess you must pronounce millions differently? 02:14:20 mill-ee-uns? 02:14:27 I say it mill-yuns. 02:14:30 Mill-eeeeeee-ohns 02:14:38 ah, right. You suck; I forgot 02:14:41 :-) 02:14:43 Heh heh heh. 02:15:16 Ah, I remember how much fun it was to read: '"you suck", "you suck", "you suck", "you suck", you say' with dramatic intonation in front of the class. 02:15:43 you SUUUUUUCK 02:16:14 I have trouble pronouncing "s"s. They come out as "f"'s for some reason. Landed me in a heap of trouble 02:16:22 lol 02:17:58 Heh, school is rather pitiful 02:18:03 Homer: I haven't learned a thing 02:18:36 School is pitiful indeed. It's sort of scary going thru these things. 02:18:58 I remember doing a test once to see if I actually learned anything that day in school. I learned one word in French, and forgot it a few days later 02:19:08 Heh 02:19:57 P.E./Gym was the best. I can't imagine anything more pointless. Hmm... Drama was pretty bad 02:20:18 Oh, we had a really great drama teacher... for some of the years. 02:20:29 As if running to school and lugging those books around isn't excercise enough 02:20:42 I suppose a good teacher makes all the difference... 02:23:53 Ah, I'll probably submit this one: http://swartzfam.com/aaron/school/2001/06/03/ 02:24:03 I like the piece I read in frnt of the school. 02:25:54 heh: "Sorry, I wasn't listening, I thought you were talking about India or something and stopped paying attention. What exactly did you say?" 02:26:41 yeah, that was pretty funny. 02:27:08 man, was that funny 02:29:06 The best thing is when you have a teacher that really doesn't know what they're doing. We had a science teacher that declared the Earth to have the strongest gravity of all the planets in the solar system. Man, did we laugh 02:30:16 heh heh heh. 02:30:25 I talk about that in here somewhere... 02:30:44 Ah, here: http://swartzfam.com/aaron/school/2000/09/24/ 02:31:12 In fact, she used to get loads of things wrong. It was a bit worrying. When we confronted her about it, she got a bit defensive, and said "well, I teach according to my opinions, and if they differ from your opinions, then that's tough". I think that was after she was teaching the Steady-State theory of creation... 02:31:47 Oh man. 02:32:35 The annoying thing is that they get so defensive about it. 02:33:02 Like when my math teacher said "that there were an infinite number of points on a line, but a larger infinity of points not on the line." 02:33:26 I told him why that was wrong and he said something like "Well, you can look at it either way, you know?" 02:33:32 Yeah. Well, it's their livelyhood on the line. Nevermind hat they stunt the intellectual growth of hundreds of students placed in their care; nevermind the fact that they're frauds pure and simple... 02:35:15 Did you ever have a teacher that would do your work for you, but screw it up? Happened to us in art... 02:35:25 That was in middle school, I believe 02:35:35 screw it up? 02:36:41 Yeah. She did it quite often, but as an example: I did a picture of a field, or something. She came along, and said it needed a "defining feature" (focal point), and proceeded to draw a really-out-of-place and totally out-of-scale fence across the landscape, spoiling the work of art 02:37:28 She'd do it to everyone, and we got quite irate about it, eventually 02:39:11 lol 02:39:27 That's got to be the rudest thing I can imagine an art teacher doing. 02:39:41 absolutely 02:40:07 Do you get Malcolm in the Middle in the UK? 02:40:13 We do 02:40:26 It's the only show I watch on TV, these days. it's pretty funny. 02:40:48 Hmm... it does get really good reviews. I must confess that I don't really watch it 02:41:01 I really should stop saying really 02:41:26 It helps me see what life is like for other people... well, at least how it's portrayed to them. 02:42:01 Be sure to watch "The Merchants of Cool" if it's on, too. 02:42:27 what's that? 02:42:37 it's a nice documentary by douglas rushkoff 02:42:40 .google merchants of cool 02:42:41 merchants of cool: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/cool 02:42:58 that's it 02:43:38 Yeah dude, I'm a real cool hipster. Break it down, now 02:44:00 Heh heh. 02:44:42 It's silly when people categorize "teenagers" into one great big lump. Talk about prejudice... 02:45:04 Yeah, I got this great survey in the mail that asked me to say what type of teenager I was. 02:45:15 It had like jock / scifi / fantasy / mallhopper, etc. 02:45:16 lol! How did that go? 02:45:21 oh wow, neat 02:45:42 There were about 15 or twenty of the most blatant sterotypes, it was really funny. 02:45:54 Oh man, why don't I get these sorts of things? I love questionnaires 02:46:08 heh heh heh! 02:46:41 I should have saved it. 02:46:54 Yeah, you should have. Well, there's always next time 02:47:42 Someone pointed me to a great Jungian personality evaluation form online, the other day. I want to it, and wanted to answer "maybe" to all of the questions, but it only had "yes" or "no"! Damn thing. I should have alternated all of the way down 02:47:55 Heh! 02:47:57 The Guardian has a "What kind of teenager are you?" quiz: http://www.guardian.co.uk/quiz/questions/0,5961,352905,00.html 02:48:06 'She says our boys "suck" because they try to stick their tongues down her throat within minutes of meeting her. Is this you?' 02:48:25 The forms on that tolerance site were great, too. Questions like "how do you feel about old people? Are they good at stuff?" They may as well have just asked whether you're intolerant or not. It was hardly a test 02:48:34 Heh! 02:48:39 heh, cool quiz 02:49:10 Lader sounds pretty funny: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/entertainment/newsid_873000/873862.stm 02:49:55 ooh, I love those multiple choice questions. The one that I want to pick is never on the list, and chooing is a bit of a bust 02:52:00 That quiz is pretty funny. 02:52:16 and proud of it: Boys in Britain are "anti-social and sulking", says Miss Lader 02:53:18 she must have been set up with some bad people :-) 02:55:17 lol! "For example, 60% of Britons are unaware that their country lost the War of Independence which resulted in the formation of the United States." 02:56:37 We lost? Aw, man... 02:56:46 heh heh heh 02:57:59 Hmph: why haven't I won the Nobel Prize for Literature yet? 02:58:53 Ah, don't worry, I just figured it out... 02:59:07 A, do you think you'll ever win it? 02:59:12 Not really. 02:59:16 Why haven't you won it? 02:59:22 Perhaps you can win it for me. 02:59:36 @ http://www.geocrawler.com/lists/3/SourceForge/17839/0/7391274/ 03:00:01 Well, I figure that I haven't won it because I haven't published any literature *deserving* of a Nobel Prize yet. Of course, I could be wrong 03:00:15 A definite possibility. 03:00:23 B: Geocrawler.com - tristero-china - [Tristero-china] Improved Firewall Evasion from AaronSw 03:00:46 B:|Evading Firewalls 03:00:47 titled item B 03:01:10 B::My late-night proposal. 03:01:11 commented item B 03:02:18 B::A sign of definite 'Plex progression 03:02:19 commented item B 03:03:25 Where the apostrophe hides the fact that it's really called, "Aaron Swartz's Super-Fantabulous Plex System, Patent pending" 03:03:38 Heh heh. 03:03:39 Good for what ails ya 03:03:41 progression? 03:04:08 yeah, progression. Look up "progress" in a dictionary, and work from there. See how long it takes before you go in a circle 03:04:13 heh 03:04:26 whoa, it looks like my gnome install is done 03:04:29 could it be? 03:04:32 ooh! 03:05:26 it is! (except for the games) 03:05:42 * AaronSw crosses fingers, launches 03:06:41 so close, yet so far away 03:07:26 AaronSw has changed the topic to: Tunnelling thru firewalls without getting burnt. 03:12:32 sbp, do you use http://litestep.com/ ? 03:15:00 Do I? 03:16:02 Nope 03:16:53 "If this banner is flashing, then you will not click it, because it infuriates you" 03:17:04 Heh heh heh. Exactly. 03:17:23 LiteStep looks pretty cool 03:17:33 yeah? 03:18:27 I was thinking about maybe installing it on the Windows machine we keep around for laughs. 03:19:32 Do you think you might install it? 03:20:07 Aw, poor little thing. Did you ever stop to think that you might be hurting its feelings by just keeping it so that you could laugh at it? Do you walk in and just go, "ha, ha, ha! you're a crummy Windows box!"? How mean! It's like breeding a mouse that's blue or something. How utterly unspeakably cruel 03:20:39 No, I won't be installing it 03:21:20 why not? 03:21:31 Why should I? What's the point? No way 03:22:02 Anyway, that crappy banner put me off. They should go get some decent company to sponsor them 03:23:16 I didn't see the banner. 03:23:22 Guess my adblocker must've gotten it. 03:23:57 heh, heh 03:25:36 Do you want me to install it? If so, why? 03:26:08 What does "love" mean to you? [Y/N] 03:27:01 Y 03:27:20 My family is on a CD-ripping spree. We've used up 4 out of 5GB on the iPod. 03:27:28 lol 03:28:08 We'll have to delete the audio-book version of "Harry Potter" that came with it, I think. 03:28:20 They want to take all their songs with them on the trip. 03:29:15 Ooh, will I get to meet the iPod? 03:29:46 Yeah, I guess you will. 03:29:50 And the rest of the family. 03:30:17 * sbp suddently gets excited; somewhat akin to when a small dog hears the postman coming 03:30:23 heh! 03:30:28 two days till we leave 03:30:33 the rest of the family will meet the iPod? 03:30:52 leave? You haven't even got here yet! 03:30:54 No, you will get to meet the iPod and the rest of the family. 03:31:19 And beware -- my Mom knows her grammar. 03:31:39 That'd be your Great-Grandmother? 03:32:01 Ok, once more and I'm calling the police. 03:32:09 * sbp seems to have switched into incredibly-bad-joke mode for no particular reason 03:32:14 heh, heh 03:33:00 I don't know much about grammar, but I did write a great article on colloquial language forms, which should hold me in good stead 03:34:57 I'm gonna be soooooooo nervous 03:35:05 Oh, come on. 03:35:19 If you're nervous I'm going to KILL YOU! 03:35:22 :-) 03:35:27 Aaaaaaaargh! 03:35:29 :-) 03:35:52 Heh, seriously. I will. You think I'm incoherent now - just wait 'till you meet me 03:36:45 and what's with the double hypen em-dash? If the hyphen has a space either side of it, it's an em-dash. No need for two hyphens 03:37:06 Hey, that's how my mother taught me. 03:37:29 "Thought Dream" by Country Joe And The Fish is funny. 03:37:47 What's that - a painting? 03:37:58 * sbp is just kidding, BTW 03:38:08 * sbp knows that it's a book 03:38:18 heh heh heh 03:52:00 sbp has quit (Killed (NickServ (Ghost: SeanP!~sean@m776-mp1-cvx4c.pop.ntl.com))) 03:52:17 sbp (~sean@m776-mp1-cvx4c.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack 03:52:46 Hi there 03:53:00 Hello again. 03:53:05 How are you today? Y'know, I overheard the funniest thing at the supermarket today 03:53:13 Really? What was that? 03:53:16 Oh no, wait, I'm thinking of something else 03:53:20 Do tell. 03:53:48 I haven't been to a supermarket for months. Dunno where that came from 03:54:36 I was trying to refer to the "gossipy" nature of swhack, but it didn't quite work for me 03:55:02 .: I pretty much screwed that up 03:55:13 Hmm... ".:" bothers me 03:56:13 .'. perhaps 03:56:13 .^. 03:56:34 .�. 03:56:50 ... 03:56:55 .�. 03:56:59 .'. 03:57:01 .�. 03:57:03 ... 03:57:04 .�. 03:57:14 print out this log, and make a flip-book! 03:57:30 heh! 04:06:04 * AaronSw is doing some heavy firewall-busting chat in #p2p-hackers 04:08:25 * sbp OTOH isn't 04:08:40 the contrasts between us are immense 04:08:48 Heh. 04:17:50 * AaronSw thinks he better not visit China. 04:21:38 I suppose you want me to ask you why? Well, tough 04:21:55