00:03:40 @ http://davenet.userland.com/2001/12/22/aWeblogManifesto 00:03:44 A: DaveNet : A Weblog Manifesto from AaronSw 00:04:13 A::Turns out Dave just wants to be loved: "Honestly, I didn't think they even read my site. They don't link to me, or talk about me with any respect, so I misunderstood this. I thought they weren't reading, so why should they care if I choose to honor the sites that I love." 00:04:14 commented item A 00:08:27 I think that we should enter the #swhack logs in the Turner Prize next year 00:08:39 lol 00:08:45 That'd be awesome. 00:09:22 print them all out, and paste them to the walls of a room... it'd be great 00:09:48 a room with a faulty lightbulb? 00:10:06 no, our comments would light up the room 00:10:10 lol: "I'm 200, You're 200." - http://inessential.com/2001/12/22.html 00:10:14 @ http://inessential.com/2001/12/22.html 00:10:14 ooh! glow-in-the-dark ink 00:10:21 B: 12/22/01 from AaronSw 00:10:29 B:|Self-hep books for geeks 00:10:30 titled item B 00:10:39 B::from Brent Simmons 00:10:39 commented item B 00:10:47 heh, heh: "Zeros are from Mars, Ones are from Venus" 00:10:51 B::"I'm 200, You're 200" 00:10:52 commented item B 00:11:03 ^ took me a while, but it's pretty funny 00:14:06 we're both O.K.? 00:14:10 yeah 00:14:37 :-) 00:15:12 It'd be pretty funny if folks spoke in HTTP error codes. 00:16:04 you'd need a few more error codes, I reckon 00:16:32 But you could drop them in from time-to-time. 00:16:44 PHC is pretty funny tonight. 00:17:50 phc: http://phc.mpr.org/ 00:22:50 that XP bug is pretty silly 00:23:29 Heh, yeah. 00:23:37 It's quite funny: "Internet Connection Sharing". 00:23:50 @ http://radio.weblogs.com/0001189/2001/12/20.html 00:24:16 C: Jeremiah's Radio Weblog from AaronSw 00:24:34 C::His todo list: "1) Go to school tommorow, maybe finish homework beforehand 2) Read "Tog on Software Design" 3) Party 4) Celebrate Christmas on Saturday 5) Visit my grandfather 6) Homework for January 2nd. 7) Develop a long-lasting, meaningless, throw-away relationship" 00:24:35 commented item C 00:25:22 C::He seems like an interesting guy. 00:25:23 commented item C 00:26:06 heh, heh 00:28:04 [[[ 00:28:18 Anyways today was the last day with a screwed up lunch which is caused by them rotating our schedule. I had my normal 3rd-block lunch today, but some incredibly annoying girl also had the same lunch as us and chose to sit at the same table. 00:28:19 I got to the table where I sit, and moved a backpack out of the way to sit down. Five minutes later I was interrupted with "No you ain't in my seat boy you best move before I kick your ass outta that chair". 00:28:19 I didn't move though, because 1) It was really annoying and 2) I appreciate proper grammar when applicable. 00:28:20 So I didn't move, and she yelled at me for about 20 seconds, then I decided it'd be best to move to the other side of the table, and I did. 00:28:20 Tommorow we resume our regular schedule and I really hope she isn't planning on sitting at that table again. 00:28:22 ]]] 00:28:39 C::His [lunch story|http://radio.weblogs.com/0001189/2001/12/18.html#a16] is pretty funny. 00:28:40 commented item C 00:31:14 lol: "I didn't move though, because 1) It was really annoying and 2) I appreciate proper grammar when applicable." 00:33:01 Heh: 'Apparently you aren't supposed to say "Zoning" every time you move something around on one of the shelves. But I thought you should, so whenever we scooted an object across the shelf I said "zoning". Sort of how trucks beep when they're backing up.' 00:46:17 @ http://www.oreilly.com/openbook/ 00:46:25 D: www.oreilly.com -- Welcome to the O'Reilly Open Books Project from AaronSw 00:46:39 D:|O'Reilly Open Books Project 00:46:40 titled item D 00:47:06 D::O'Reilly releases books new and old for the enjoyment of all. 00:47:07 commented item D 00:47:16 * AaronSw goes to dinner 00:52:09 c'ya 01:04:33 sbp has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01:06:53 sbp (~sean@m646-mp1-cvx5a.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack 01:16:18 * AaronSw is looking for a good wiki 01:16:49 Blogspace? 01:17:06 it's not in python 01:17:34 but yeah, it's a good idea 01:17:50 http://openwiki.com/ looks cool. 01:17:56 it supports RSS :) 01:19:11 D::Tim O'Reilly [explains some of the motiviation|http://www.oreillynet.com/cs/weblog/view/wlg/968] behind the project. 01:19:13 commented item D 01:20:12 D::Interesting. I didn't know Docbook was [developed by HaL and O'Reilly]. 01:20:13 commented item D 01:20:48 D:: 01:20:48 http://www.oreilly.com/openbook/ 01:20:49 O'Reilly Open Books Project 01:20:50 (AaronSw) O'Reilly releases books new and old for the enjoyment of all. 01:20:51 (AaronSw) Tim O'Reilly [explains some of the motiviation|http://www.oreillynet.com/cs/weblog/view/wlg/968] behind the project. 01:20:52 (AaronSw) Interesting. I didn't know Docbook was [developed by HaL and O'Reilly]. 01:22:12 whoa, is w3.org down? 01:22:35 schedule power outage at MIT 01:22:39 yep 01:22:46 thought so -- anyone know the mirror's address? 01:23:14 slow1? 01:23:27 huh? 01:23:49 perhaps not 01:23:59 193.51.208.68 01:24:30 www.w3.org works okay for me 01:24:58 D::Dan Connolly [worked at HaL|http://www.w3.org/People/Connolly/misc/vita] which is where he worked on the HTML 2.0 spec. 01:25:00 commented item D 01:26:28 D::Tim O'Reilly claims that their [copyleft books don't sell as well|http://www.oreilly.com/ask_tim/orabooks_os.html] as their closed/unfree counterparts. 01:26:29 commented item D 01:27:06 heh 01:27:33 D::They say they're looking at (December 1998) a model that will allow electronic distribution of books but will "reserve the right to print, publish and sell printed copies to the original publisher", since their copyleft books were republished by other publishers. 01:27:34 commented item D 02:07:14 downloading AOL feels like grabbing warez 02:07:24 there are all these pop-ups and pr0n and stuff 02:07:28 and it all feels so wrong 02:11:17 So many domains to renew... 02:11:58 who warez AOL? 02:12:42 they should come out with "Warez Waldo" 02:13:01 .google "Warez Waldo" 02:13:02 "Warez Waldo": http://web.textfiles.com/software/hhfaq.txt 02:13:35 bbiab 02:13:36 [[[ 02:13:36 (A) Warez-Waldo is nothing more than an IRC channel on Effnet. We don't trade Warez or 02:13:36 distribute pirated software. We are a group of people who go in there to hang out and 02:13:36 converse like everyday people. We are not a pirate group, hack group or courier group. 02:13:36 ]]] 02:19:14 Man, I wish we'd thought of a clever name like this. 02:19:17 err that 02:19:25 instead of swhack we could be warez-waldo! 02:19:36 we wouldn't get those silly hacker d00ds then 02:19:42 heh, heh 02:19:56 You mean this channel isn't for hack3r d00ds?! 02:20:08 lol 02:20:25 Hey, I thought we banned you, tav`. 02:20:30 Hmm... it's not? [half the channel vanishes] 02:20:31 hmz? 02:20:33 Do you mind if we do? 02:20:56 do you want me to leave? 02:20:58 Morbus has gone a bit insane you see, he keeps mumbling about the giant head of tav watching over him. 02:21:23 And sbp wants his old Morby back. 02:21:24 Like Mr. Mackey! Mmmkay? 02:21:30 morbus has been back? 02:21:42 Yeah, but he's boycotting this channel 'cuz of you. 02:21:46 heh, but'ya can't ban tav. I forbid you 02:21:55 man, now i'm really stuck. 02:22:03 Stalemate! 02:22:14 if we banned tav, he'd probably join #aaronsw or something 02:22:19 lol 02:22:33 there's no way out, is there? 02:22:41 yeah, sure there is 02:22:49 what's that? 02:23:07 we could get tav and Morbus to sign an agreement of mutual friend ship and shake hands on stage... 02:23:13 We say, "yo, Morby, get back in here this instant (custard)"; and he'd be like "OoooOh, fair enough" 02:23:24 Umm, we tried that. 02:23:53 well, channel signal has gone up in the last 24 hours... 02:24:04 nah 02:24:30 fuck me, i'm becoming this elitist fucker 02:24:35 yeah, but then tav wont read the log, and i'll be grouped into the same moron class as the kaff guy from #esp. or whatever his name is. 02:24:52 and that's my point. tav has brought swhack's destuction. whoo. 02:24:58 lol 02:25:03 * sbp wonders where that came from 02:25:13 TheMagicLand 02:25:37 mark my words! tav will bring death and destruction to swhack! 02:25:54 * AaronSw wonders where that came from 02:26:15 * sbp too 02:26:22 anyways, i have nothing against morbus 02:26:26 logster, grep tav will bring 02:27:24 I'm logging. I found 2 answers for 'tav will bring' 02:27:25 0) 2001-12-23 02:26:26 logster, grep tav will bring 02:27:26 1) 2001-12-23 02:25:37 mark my words! tav will bring death and destruction to swhack! 02:27:30 i just wish he would shut up at times 02:27:30 so how do we solve the problem? 02:27:30 and felt i should inform him of how i felt 02:27:30 should we have an anonymous morbus tipline? 02:27:30 lol 02:27:30 heh, heh 02:27:30 new xena function: .shutup morbus 02:27:41 Pff... what did I tell you guys about the balance of #swhack? What did I say? 02:27:41 which would then privmsg morbus :someone wants you to shutup now 02:27:52 Oh, we log everything that we say. I can prove it! 02:28:05 sbp? 02:28:18 logster, grep sbp balance of 02:28:36 I'm logging. I found 1 answer for 'sbp balance of' 02:28:37 0) 2001-12-23 02:28:18 logster, grep sbp balance of 02:28:42 judging from what morbus has said in exile, we have missed: a discussion of a) talking cliboards b) chalky cheese c) turning stupid things into philosophical points 02:29:22 that chalky cheese thing was great! 02:29:32 man, you missed a lot there... 02:29:36 this in #sbp ? 02:29:54 i didn't say it was a complete list 02:30:58 logster, grep swhack is a cool thing 02:31:07 I'm logging. I found 2 answers for 'swhack is a cool thing' 02:31:08 0) 2001-12-23 02:30:58 logster, grep swhack is a cool thing 02:31:09 1) 2001-12-12 05:32:12 Heh, it's just me. I don't like it when cool things change. #swhack is a cool thing; I don't want it to jump the shark 02:31:11 supposedly, i am to opn, what w is to undernet 02:31:16 AaronSw has changed the topic to: home of the talking clipboard 02:31:17 there 02:31:27 jump the shark? 02:31:37 yeah 02:31:49 w? 02:31:53 w? 02:31:53 when things go bad 02:32:14 explain? 02:32:19 w? 02:33:39 w: No such nick 02:33:54 (on undernet) 02:34:11 AaronSw has quit ("brb") 02:34:19 AaronSw (aaronsw@mewtwo.espnow.com) has joined #swhack 02:34:53 .google w undernet 02:34:54 w undernet: /url?sa=U&start=1&q=http://cservice.undernet.org/&e=42 02:35:01 http://cservice.undernet.org/ 02:36:23 .http://cservice.undernet.org/ 02:36:31 error: [Errno socket error] (113, 'No route to host') 02:36:41 .http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:cservice.undernet.org 02:36:46 This is G o o g l e's cache of http://cservice.undernet.org/. G o o g l e's cache is the snapshot that we took of the page as we crawled the web. The page may have changed since that time. Click here for the current page without highlighting. Google is not affiliated with the authors of this page nor responsible for its content. Undernet Channel Service 02:36:48 urgh 02:36:50 don't do that 02:36:53 heh 02:36:56 Make us 02:36:59 I like: G o o g l e's 02:37:05 heh, yeah 02:37:46 Better: http://web.archive.org/web/20010925044742/cservice.undernet.org/ 02:38:41 Wacky: "The contents of these pages are copyright by the Undernet Channel Service. You may only link to the main page of the website. This page maintained by The Undernet Channel Service. You may only link to the main page of the website." 02:38:52 not all that helpful, though. A few words from tav would help, but oooh no 02:39:01 tav is too secretive for that 02:39:15 heh 02:39:19 lol @ "You may only link to the main page of the website" 02:39:21 and elitist 02:39:23 w is no secret 02:39:30 it's just like chanserv 02:39:41 so what's wrong with it? 02:39:46 so, you're like ChanServ on OPN? 02:39:50 nothing's wrong with it 02:39:54 just omnipresent 02:40:01 Ah. it's in every channel? 02:40:02 all registered channels have W in them 02:40:02 ah 02:40:14 or X, i forget which 02:40:20 heh, heh 02:40:50 yea, this freeneter was saying how i am in every channel he's visited 02:40:50 except i hear w doesn't talk 02:40:53 heh 02:40:53 That's like telling a story about John Major, and then realising that it was really about Margaret Thatcher 02:41:00 [easy mistake to make] 02:41:07 heh 02:41:13 well, both are omnipresent 02:41:26 John Major and Margaret Thatcher? 02:41:30 X and W 02:41:35 ah 02:41:45 stop changing the subject! 02:42:09 would you please -i, tav? 02:42:23 then we can put xena in every channel! hee hee 02:42:29 heh 02:42:37 that reminds me 02:42:45 i need to go have xena made into an oper 02:42:47 xena needs to become an oper -- i know i know! 02:42:49 she already seems to be: #sbp #Decent #openspace #CNN_Newsfeed #world-relations #zope #validator #syndic8 #swhack #rdfig #plex #p2p-hackers #infoanarchy @#google #espra #esp #erights #brits 02:42:49 heh heh 02:43:15 * AaronSw adds #openprojects 02:43:18 hmz ^lilo isn't online? 02:43:27 but lilo is 02:43:28 hmz, lilo is 02:43:31 thanks 02:43:39 * tav` waits for lilo to respond 02:43:40 heh, we're doing the mindreading game today 02:43:43 *** lilo has been idle 334 minutes 02:43:52 5 and a half hours 02:44:01 i'm sure he'll wake up for tav 02:44:04 .time pst 02:44:05 Dec. 22, 2001 6:45 pm US/Pacific 02:44:13 hmz, he's in texas now isn't he? 02:44:18 what timezone is texas? 02:44:21 cst 02:44:25 i thought he was in florida 02:44:32 no, that finished 02:44:37 he's back with parents now 02:44:39 oh 02:44:54 you gossips... 02:44:59 * AaronSw pipes /list into xena config file 02:45:05 heh 02:45:08 now we will know all gossip! 02:45:11 this isn't a backyard fence, ya know 02:45:16 it's like one 02:45:30 deltab, what channels are you in? 02:45:31 explain 02:45:47 he's in many of the ones that xena's in 02:45:52 hmm, why isn't xena in #python 02:46:08 swhack, rdfig, python, infoanarchy, brits, lojban, erights 02:46:17 well, that's all that i know of 02:46:37 hmm, you forgot to add #decent to xena's config file 02:46:40 * AaronSw adds it 02:46:58 anything decent happen there? 02:47:08 of course -- it's decent! 02:47:10 just seemed like a playground for sam's bot 02:47:18 what about #indecent ? 02:47:25 oh, pete came onto #espra yesterday btw 02:47:35 who's pete? 02:47:49 the bloke from england who went to p2p.II / freenet 02:47:53 oh cool 02:47:58 had a feeling 02:48:00 what'd he say? 02:48:10 we discussed things he had in mind 02:48:12 yeah it is just a playground for sam's bot 02:48:23 he's like me two years ago 02:48:33 uh oh 02:48:39 we might have two tavs then 02:48:43 that could be bad 02:48:50 in his flat; has interesting ideas; doesn't have a clue technically 02:48:53 Pff... ban one, and another one takes its place 02:49:09 well, not really doesn't have a clue, but, doesn't know much technically 02:50:09 sbp: heh 02:50:14 :-) 02:50:58 hmz 02:51:05 we need to optimise xena's output 02:51:13 optimize? 02:51:56 a) stop relay outputs b) be able to specify which channels are "outputted" 02:52:21 i agree on the first 02:52:30 "output" 02:52:47 i think it'd be cool to have a little tool that'd construct a filtered view of the xena output from the assorted logs 02:52:59 so you can sort of scroll up and down, and diagnose crashes and things 02:53:08 and filter channels, i suppose 02:53:49 yea 02:54:07 killarny wanted to created a curses based output 02:54:23 you could hit tab and cycle between preset channel outputs 02:54:29 it'd probably be a major pain tho, since killarny has like a 1000 little files it logs to 02:54:55 problem is, you'd just create a new irc client at the end of the day 02:55:00 exactly 02:55:49 you should create a cool xnet channel monitor like app for the mac 02:55:54 talon made me mine 02:56:17 hmm? 02:56:23 collapsible 50 pixel high transparent app that relays #esp and #esp-core 02:57:28 just shows the last thing said? 02:57:33 yea 02:58:05 last coupla lines 02:58:24 and you can set some words that it would beep / change line color on 02:58:38 no see the idea is less irc :) 02:58:58 well, that app helps minimise 02:59:12 no need to keep eye on any irc channels, or xena output 02:59:20 it just floods past you 02:59:20 leaving the channel seems to have worked better for me :) 02:59:37 you are still here... 02:59:50 irc time expands to fill up all available time 02:59:54 yep 03:00:02 oh, you mean do it for #swhack? 03:00:09 no matter how many or how few channels there are 03:00:18 well, any channel 03:00:34 that reminds me i really should be quitting IRC about now 03:00:37 bye bye 03:00:40 nite ;p 03:00:49 you know my email address if you want to chat 03:01:05 aaronsw@espians.com ? 03:08:10 sbp has quit (Killed (NickServ (Ghost: SeanP!~sean@m165-mp1-cvx4c.pop.ntl.com))) 03:08:32 sbp (~sean@m165-mp1-cvx4c.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack 03:23:04 * sbp gets 216 on http://www.nny.com/holiday/snowcraft.htm 03:25:06 not a random number: 788375188510875175185718570157015081 03:25:14 .google 788375188510875175185718570157015081 03:25:15 no results found. 03:25:20 Hmm... perhaps it is 04:02:18 * AaronSw reconnects for a bit 04:02:27 tav`, sure that'll work. 04:02:35 BLURB:Choosing A Wiki 04:02:40 E: Choosing A Wiki from AaronSw 04:03:03 E::I'm looking for a wiki that meets the following criteria (rougly in order of importance): 04:03:04 commented item E 04:03:19 E::Supports things OtherThanWikiNames. 04:03:21 commented item E 04:03:53 E::Keeps revisions and allows you to revert to any of them at any time. 04:03:54 commented item E 04:04:08 E::Is restful and webby. 04:04:09 commented item E 04:04:50 E::Supports XML. 04:04:51 commented item E 04:05:00 E::Keeps track of backlinks. 04:05:02 commented item E 04:05:27 E::Is written in Python 04:05:29 commented item E 04:05:31 E::Supports HTTP PUT 04:05:32 commented item E 04:05:36 E::Isn't written in Zope ;-) 04:05:37 commented item E 04:08:04 sbp / deltab / tav` / em_ / mnot / markb - any suggestions? 04:08:10 oh and kenm 04:11:40 E::What I'm looking at messing with [MoinMoin|http://moin.sourceforge.net/] or [ZWiki|http://zwiki.org/]. 04:11:41 commented item E 04:11:59 E::Or maybe I should finish [Blogspace|http://www.blogspace.com/ 04:12:00 commented item E 04:12:02 oops 04:34:09 hmz? 04:34:47 heh 04:34:59 zwiki comes closest, but fails to match one of your criteria 04:35:08 the zope one? 04:35:14 may 2000, i went through every fucking wiki out there 04:35:25 zwiki beats them all hands down 04:35:41 i don't see revert/history on zwiki.org... 04:35:51 oh wait 04:35:56 it's there 04:36:07 yeah, it's hidden behind the zope management interface 04:36:12 needs a better front mechanism 04:36:12 yea 04:36:21 only weakness is diff 04:36:35 the current diff _sucks_ 04:36:44 Hmm. 04:36:50 How do I get XML out of it? 04:37:12 create a tal / dtml method called index_xml 04:37:18 call whatever method you want 04:37:27 and, tada! 04:37:31 ah 04:37:57 I suppose it wouldn't kill me to set up Zope... 04:38:06 what's it for? 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