00:00:16 Knock knock; who's there; oh... no one 00:00:26 "Darkness there, and nothing more" - EAP 00:02:07 well, it's "midnight", but not a "midnight dreary" 00:02:33 argh, what's wrong with this script 00:02:45 still struggling with that RegExp? 00:03:01 well, i've fixed it, but it still hits the cpu pretty bad 00:03:24 "Come in, she said, I've give you... shelter from the storm" 00:03:37 what's the point of it, again? 00:03:37 this is interesting: [20/Dec/2001:19:03:09 -0500] "GET /rdf/iana-uri-schemes HTTP/1.0" 200 1105 "" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows NT 5.0) Fetch API Request" 00:03:51 it's for getting rss from html pages 00:04:35 hey, i saw that: [20/Dec/2001:19:04:15 -0500] "GET /rdf/iana-uri-schemes HTTP/1.1" 200 1105 "" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows 98; Win 9x 4.90; Q312461)" 00:04:37 er... that's interesting why? 00:04:42 heh, heh 00:05:01 well, who's getting it and what's a fetch api? 00:05:11 i mean in this case, not generally 00:05:11 .google "Fetch API Request" 00:05:13 "Fetch API Request": http://forums.cnet.zdnet.com/group/cnet.Downloads.Web.Developer/cnet/oview.tpt/@thread@first@F@75@D-,D@all?ROS=1 00:05:58 Hmm... difficult thing to find out 00:06:04 did you log the IP address? 00:06:47 .dns 200.213.253.162 00:06:49 200.213.253.162 - error: host not found 00:07:02 .dns 80.1.184.36 00:07:06 80.1.184.36 - m36-mp1-cvx4c.pop.ntl.com 00:07:21 Hmph 00:07:23 it's hit it about 4 times in the past 1000 iterations 00:07:28 err 10000 hits 00:07:31 maybe it's danc? 00:07:38 tansaku has quit (Ping timeout: 180 seconds) 00:07:44 .google 200.213.253.162 00:07:45 no results found. 00:08:44 it's owned by the Comite Gestor da Internet no Brasil 00:08:59 Hmm... 00:13:06 sbp has quit (Killed (NickServ (Ghost: SeanP!~sean@m68-mp1-cvx4c.pop.ntl.com))) 00:13:16 sbp (~sean@m68-mp1-cvx4c.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack 00:14:41 * AaronSw throws a mutex around the regexp stuff 00:14:43 that should teach em! 00:14:53 cool 00:15:29 why does em need teaching? 00:15:38 err 'em 00:16:53 :-) 00:17:14 now to do the swhack archives 00:18:32 do what to the archives? You be careful with them! 00:19:02 don't you worry your little head -- i'm just running this little sed script... 00:19:03 oops 00:19:21 aaaaargh! 00:19:25 :-) 00:20:30 whoo. just got my movable type keys 00:20:45 keys? 00:21:11 yeah, if you donate money, you get keys that allow you to get listed on their "recently updated" thingy. 00:21:15 ah 00:21:17 just like weblogs.com ping, which they also support 00:27:14 What to people think of this: http://blogspace.com/swhack/weblog/2001/ 00:27:56 AaronSw, 1012 is out. software update 00:28:01 Hey, cool -- we started blogging on the first of the month. 00:28:04 Morbus, ooh 00:30:01 IrDA support - nice 00:30:33 aside from the fact that neither of the links work... 00:30:40 mmhmm. should be finished by about 2 tonight for me :) 00:30:40 ignoring that 00:30:50 rillian has quit ("dinner") 00:30:53 poor guy, i'm half done 00:30:58 should also have the current day's log on the first page... 00:31:03 i choose not to ignore that. 00:31:09 heh, i hate you :) 00:31:12 tav, current days chatlog? 00:31:18 weblog 00:31:25 umm, isn't it? 00:31:25 ehm 00:31:27 ignore that 00:31:32 heh 00:31:36 just noted it's /2001/ and not / 00:32:18 this is the reason i like zope, something like this could have been done in 20 seconds 00:32:35 not really, since logger has no access to the zodb! 00:33:17 I'm sure it'd be 20 secs if i had pywx installed too, but i'm rusty on tcl 00:33:28 irc <-> xml-rpc <-> zodb 00:33:36 oh pleeeaz 00:33:40 i don't need more pain in my life 00:33:48 ;p 00:33:52 ;-) 00:35:24 install is done 00:35:41 reboooot! 00:35:53 wiat, its done? how long did your optimize take? 00:35:53 mine takes a good five minutes 00:36:03 well the install is done. the optimization isn't :) 00:36:22 ah. ok :) 00:38:09 mine'scoming along smoothly. 00:38:15 looks like i'm at 10% 00:43:34 ok, archives should be working 00:43:53 hmm, maybe not 00:44:10 @ http://www.juvalamu.com/qmarks/perm9802.html 00:44:14 A: Permanent Collection of the Gallery of ''Misused'' Quotation Marks from sbp 00:44:21 A::Very "funny" 00:44:22 commented item A 00:45:03 OK, now they really are working. 00:45:14 @ http://blogspace.com/swhack/weblog/2001/ 00:45:16 B: Archives for 2001 from AaronSw 00:45:26 B:|Swhack Archives for 2001 00:45:27 titled item B 00:45:45 B::As another year draws to a close, it's time to look back on the archives that made this such a special year for our Swhack Weblog. 00:45:46 commented item B 00:46:14 sbp, now you say, other than the fact that it's our only year? 00:46:26 :-) 00:47:04 B::Other than the fact that it's our only year so far? 00:47:05 commented item B 00:47:16 happy now? 00:47:21 good job 00:47:25 thank you 00:48:14 B:|Swhack Weblog Archives for 2001 00:48:15 titled item B 00:52:06 heh: 00:52:08 * AaronSw heads off for dinner 00:52:48 heh what? 00:53:08 heh yer mama 00:53:14 whoooO 00:55:39 jillium, do you meet people who try to rationalize that google should only index 100 sites, because they've totally misunderstood the definition of the wrod google? 00:55:43 * jillium gazes briefly at Morbus and then decides not to have heard that. 00:57:40 couldn't think of a clever response to "yo mama", went and read a few more scare quote things, came back, thought of a clever response. What more is there to say? 00:57:49 :-) 00:58:49 careful Morby, we'll get like Aaron! 00:59:54 heh, Aaron's going to have to chop this log to bits by the end of the day 01:00:39 and I don't mean for firewood or anything like that... 01:01:22 all we need are a few lude references, a couple of slanderous insults to some celebreties, and some illegal activities, and we'll be well away 01:01:34 and, of course, a bit-o'-cussin' 01:02:48 s/celebreties/celebrities/ 01:03:54 sbp has changed the topic to: We've packed our supplies; the four wheel drive's ready to go; let's off-topic! 01:05:21 actually, since nothing is off-topic, we can't. Well that's just a big annoyance, isn't it? 01:10:10 California sunlight 01:10:16 Sweet Calcutta rain 01:10:24 Honolulu starbright 01:10:29 The Song Remains The Same 01:17:01 well, now this is certainly weird. 01:17:07 somehow, i've gotten

's to be treated as td's. 01:17:25 AaronSw, if you have ie 5.1, take a look at the skotos.* file in gamegrene.com/mt_tempaltes/ 01:17:31 oop, templates, rather 01:17:32 Through CSS? 01:18:02 well, they're defined in rss, but only font properties. nothing fancy 01:18:10 rss? 01:18:31 uh, css, rathe.r 01:18:45 Semantic slip 01:19:35 oh, i think i know why. 01:19:35 nevermind 01:23:22 hi 01:23:42 Hi 01:24:10 Morbus, you go to gencon? 01:24:32 nope. 01:24:38 i had a gamegrene writer there though 01:24:46 neat 01:24:52 and then he sent me his baggie of crapl. 01:25:09 what's the problem with this skotos page? 01:25:23 1/2 done the dl. woo. 01:25:29 hmm? what skotos page? 01:25:36 the clickthrough page? 01:25:36 dunno. haven't been there in ahwile. 01:26:30 swhack, 1AM. Morbus gives a whole new meaning to meaning to the phrase "Doggy bag" 01:28:31 Would folks mind if we transitioned to // as the off-log syntax? 01:28:36 yes 01:28:40 thought so 01:28:53 please use THISISANOFFLOGCOMMENT: 01:28:53 heh, too bad 01:29:07 i'll switch to // when no one is looking. mwahaha 01:29:21 Morbus, you can answer questions on-log, you know 01:30:30 ; how about a semi-colon? 01:30:49 ; sort of weird 01:30:55 ; yes, but kinky 01:31:17 log Morbus is a very nice fellow 01:31:28 Morbus has quit ("http://www.disobey.com/") 01:32:16 he'll come back. they always come back 01:32:28 ; ah, #swhack 01:32:39 You can't escape it. 01:32:42 ; aargh, you haven't implemented ";" yet! 01:32:48 ; heh heh 01:32:57 ; perhaps we should have a set of punctuation 01:33:01 ; could mean off-topic 01:33:09 could mean request 01:33:13 err hmm 01:33:17 i guess // doesn't work 01:33:22 heh, heh 01:33:24 \\ could mean request 01:33:37 well, that was a disaster 01:33:41 \\ sucks too 01:33:49 -- could mean something stupid 01:33:56 % could mean a percentage 01:34:05 lol! 01:34:13 $ could be a dollar amount, or a Perl variable when Morbus returns 01:34:14 * AaronSw giggles 01:34:22 :-) 01:34:42 : is the start of a smiley, or an emacs command thingy 01:35:10 so we're sticking with "#" then? fine 01:35:26 ; can be off-topic but on-log 01:35:55 er... right, that'll work 01:36:16 ah, "I was just wondering: " could be off-topic but on-log 01:36:41 nah 01:36:46 cuz responses will look stupid 01:36:57 I was just wondering: yeah, that's true 01:38:11 so, when will you be doctoring the logs today? :-) 01:38:25 /kick sbp (slander) 01:38:30 heh, heh 01:39:01 now, I blame the fact that the darkness is setting in. SAD, or something 01:43:05 * AaronSw prepares for a reboot 01:43:32 I didn't even know that you were paying taxes 01:43:41 oh, sorry, misread... 01:43:50 what did you read? 01:43:59 why, rebate, of course 01:44:04 heh 01:44:51 * sbp is currently concerned about the spelling of lacklustre 01:46:21 "re" vs. "er"? 01:49:10 Difficult questions. 01:49:12 Hmm, maybe Morbus knows. 01:49:23 * AaronSw tries out his new OS. 01:49:30 sbp has quit (Killed (NickServ (Ghost: SeanP!~sean@m38-mp1-cvx4c.pop.ntl.com))) 01:49:49 sbp (~sean@m38-mp1-cvx4c.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack 01:52:29 as I was trying to say: i.e. is it even an issue? 01:55:30 * sbp wonders when Morbus will be back. Odds on time periods? 01:58:50 sbp has changed the topic to: "Rule by nomic" - AaronSw (taken out of context) 01:59:16 AaronSw has changed the topic to: Ruled by Nomic. 01:59:47 aw... 02:00:17 tav, i'm in london from the 25th to the 7th 02:00:33 7th hmz 02:00:38 when do you leave home? 02:00:59 we leave on the 25th, get in about midnight 02:01:12 we'll probably be leaving london after the 1st of the year, tho 02:02:42 what's your schedule? 02:03:07 it's not really planned out yet 02:06:18 when would be good to meet up with a) you b) your father? 02:08:45 when are you free? 02:08:48 when are you going to norway? 02:13:57 How are you getting there? 02:15:14 me? 02:15:27 by plane 02:15:45 Now, I reckon that you have a few options. Well, more than a few *options*, but certainly a few *modes*: air, sea, land. Land, of course, has the most sub-options: walking, skipping, hopping, running, jogging, cycling, car-driving, van-driving, truck-driving, rollerskating, skateboarding, rolling, hand-walking, motorcycling, etc. 02:15:55 no, tav 02:16:26 horse-riding, SegWay, piggy-back... 02:16:35 lol 02:16:36 you know tav -- he's doing all of them 02:16:44 heh, heh 02:17:05 unfortunately, unless a miracle happens to my bank account tomorrow, i won't be going to norway :/ 02:17:20 * sbp rewires the bot to be good 02:17:22 Mircale in account number 0928509207? 02:17:25 well, i have enough to go, but not enough to live when i come back 02:17:29 rewires what bot? 02:17:45 51663755 needs the miracle 02:17:50 aha :-) 02:18:09 .transfer $5000 from 51663755 to 123726939 02:18:28 sbp has quit (Remote closed the connection) 02:18:33 Transaction completed. 02:18:38 sbp (~sean@m38-mp1-cvx4c.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack 02:18:55 oops, did i go the wrong way there. ah twell. 02:19:05 Heh, that twas a Morbus-ism. 02:19:05 heh 02:19:29 i'm afraid i've reached my overdraft limit, so the transaction should have failed 02:19:41 i look forward to the day we can do that with xena though 02:19:59 it'll all go thru the plex, right? 02:20:00 ;) 02:20:04 yes 02:20:34 .seen maur 02:20:34 Maur seen changing nickname to Maur|diminshing ~ 14 hr(s) 38 min(s) 8 sec(s) ago 02:20:54 .seen Morbus 02:20:55 Morbus seen in #swhack saying: [ # pfft. i can't be on topic and i can't b e offtopic. fuck you. ] ~ 49 min(s) 27 sec(s) ago 02:21:00 Hmm... 02:21:07 a bit of a security hole there. 02:21:12 and why didn't it catch him logging off? 02:21:48 security hole? 02:21:49 Security hole doesn't really begin to describe it 02:21:59 more like security galaxy. 02:22:03 hmz? 02:22:07 or universe ot something. 02:22:07 heh, yes 02:22:13 ouch @ morbus 02:23:05 * sbp should have tried ".seen" through "/msg" first... 02:23:23 well it's too late now. 02:23:29 tav, can you fix the .seen function 02:23:59 to...? 02:24:00 oh well, these logs should really end up as shreddings anyway 02:24:10 to not be a gaping security hole 02:25:04 hmm, itunes is acting funny 02:25:06 .seen sbp 02:25:07 sbp seen in #swhack saying: [ .seen sbp ] ~ ago 02:25:10 heh, heh 02:25:29 !itunes 02:26:18 ah, the # 02:26:19 ? 02:26:41 well, and the fact i can spy on other channels 02:27:34 *sigh* 02:28:14 sigh? 02:28:20 .seen zooko 02:28:21 zooko seen joining #infoanarchy ~ 6 day(s) 17 hr(s) 3 min(s) 13 sec(s) ago 02:28:23 Uh huh? 02:28:24 .seen zooko 2 02:28:24 zooko seen in #p2p-hackers saying: [ G'night y'all. ] ~ 6 day(s) 17 hr(s) 22 min(s) 40 sec(s) ago 02:28:28 .seen zooko 3 02:28:29 zooko seen in #p2p-hackers saying: [ Thanks! ] ~ 6 day(s) 17 hr(s) 37 min(s) 17 sec(s) ago 02:28:30 .seen zooko 4 02:28:32 .seen zooko 5 02:28:33 zooko seen in #p2p-hackers saying: [ oops. ] ~ 6 day(s) 17 hr(s) 39 min(s) 3 sec(s) ago 02:28:38 .seen zooko 6 02:28:39 zooko seen in #p2p-hackers saying: [ G ] ~ 6 day(s) 17 hr(s) 39 min(s) 10 sec(s) ago 02:28:39 .seen zooko 7 02:28:40 .seen zooko 8 02:28:41 zooko seen in #p2p-hackers saying: [ Raph: I hope that, uh, the ghostscript company sells out for a zillion dollars and you retire and start working full-time on all this crazy stuff. :-) ] ~ 6 day(s) 17 hr(s) 54 min(s) 17 sec(s) ago 02:28:54 .seen zooko 9 02:28:57 .seen zooko 10 02:28:58 zooko seen in #p2p-hackers saying: [ So Amber and I had worked out a system for managing local reputations of your immediate (non-transitive) trading partners, and then we started thinking about making Every Node A Token Server and accepting tokens from a 3rd party, which would be entering the realm of transitive, like you ahve worked out... ] ~ 6 day(s) 18 hr(s) 47 sec(s) ago 02:29:41 thank you... 02:29:43 wow, my system is really screwed now 02:29:45 .seen AaronSw 928 02:29:45 sbp: no match found: aaronsw 02:29:50 heh 02:29:50 only 10 sbp 02:29:56 Pff 02:30:30 I wanted a random quote of AaronSw wisdom! 02:30:33 the ideal system would only mention the channel the user is in? 02:31:01 and say user last seen speaking in #foo, last #swhack : [ ] 02:31:02 ? 02:35:27 rillian (~giles@user-24-214-92-87.knology.net) has joined #swhack 02:40:04 Perhaps even that is too much 02:40:39 what should it be? 02:41:15 just let logged in people use it through msg 02:42:32 *eventually* xena would have trust metrics, so she can say when last seen in public, and tell user last seen statement, in notice, according to their trust level 02:44:05 uh huh. well, trust-metrics aside... :-) 02:50:15 .commands 02:50:16 valid commands: 02:50:17 - +mask, -mask, access, acronym, act, babel, beats, billennium, c2f, change 02:50:18 - commands, ctcp, date, dict, die, dns, dtrt, e, email, excuse 02:50:19 - f2c, flight, foldoc, fortune, google, help, imdb, intelliquote, isotime, jargon 02:50:20 - join, login, masks, modules, msg, news, news on, news source, nick, nickometer 02:50:21 - part, pig latin, plexname, poker, quit, quote, raw, register, rfc, rfc2 02:50:22 - rot13, search, seen, server, servers, spell, status, symbol for, time, translate 02:50:23 - unixtime, users, weather, weather2, webster, when did, whois, wn, zope commands 02:50:47 .excuse 02:50:48 sbp, the recent proliferation of nuclear testing 02:51:10 Hmm... so I have to bother to think up a question? Why's that? 02:51:11 .excuse 02:51:12 sbp, change your language to finnish. 02:51:21 aha! 02:51:53 Finnish is one of the few European languages that is not apparently descended from Proto-Indo-European (along with Hungarian) 02:52:08 (er... and a couple more, probably) 03:03:17 .time 03:03:18 2001/12/21 03:04:52.2654 Universal 03:03:31 Hmm... seems to be getting faster 03:48:53 sbp has quit (Killed (NickServ (Ghost: SeanP!~sean@m19-mp1-cvx4c.pop.ntl.com))) 03:49:34 sbp (~sean@m19-mp1-cvx4c.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack 03:55:19 more to the point, finnish is something of an isolate 03:55:36 and also a primary inspiration for tolkien's elvish :) 03:55:40 howdy 03:55:50 * AaronSw just watched "The Merchants of Cool" -- freaky show. 03:57:11 sbp, your mail is bouncing 03:57:28 argh, damn 03:58:49 i've got like 400 bounces 03:59:04 is that a new record? 03:59:24 perhaps 03:59:53 sorry... 'tis unavoidable, though 04:00:23 not if you had a backup mx ;) 04:00:58 good point :-) 04:01:43 interesting to read http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/cool/teens/ after watching the show 04:10:20 sbp has quit (Ping timeout: 180 seconds) 04:13:51 sbp (~sean@m572-mp1-cvx3b.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack 04:23:45 rillian has quit ("night everybody") 04:53:11 @ http://www.lophty.com/kumo/ 04:53:19 C: kumo : web programming every day from AaronSw 04:53:44 C::A weblog from a guy interested in RDF, Python, the Web, etc. 04:53:45 commented item C 04:54:11 C::Sounds like the right kind of candidate for swhack! :-) 04:54:11 commented item C 04:58:22 heh, heh, heh 05:02:44 your NNTP server seems to be broken 05:05:29 yeah, i noticed 05:06:33 sbp has quit (Ping timeout: 180 seconds) 05:09:00 sbp (~sean@m32-mp1-cvx4c.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack 05:09:55 How could I have missed this? http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-formal-assertion-testbed/ 05:11:50 A, what's up with your NNTP server? 05:12:06 Hmm... yeah. What's that for? 05:12:43 i guess my nntp server went down 05:12:53 i'll take a look 05:12:58 thanks 05:20:11 oh wait, that was back in February. 05:20:17 it must have been on the old server, which I don't have anymore 05:20:42 er... what happened to all of the messages? 05:21:12 they're on my brother's machine 05:21:30 i made a backup 05:21:34 ah. Well, as long as they still kinda exist, then that's alright 05:22:00 yeah, maybe someday i'll bring them back 05:22:06 :-) 05:22:17 Not much stuff there, AFAIK 05:22:27 yeah 05:31:46 sbp has quit ("Homer: 20 dollars? I wanted a peanut!") 06:47:52 GabeW (~gwachob@12-236-92-153.client.attbi.com) has joined #swhack 07:02:54 em has quit (Killed (NickServ (Nickname Enforcement))) 07:03:29 em_ (~em@dhcp065-024-049-132.columbus.rr.com) has joined #swhack 07:45:12 GabeW has quit ("Client Exiting") 14:31:52 kenm (~ken@kmacleod.static.iaxs.net) has joined #swhack 14:32:17 heh, joining a channel that is almost half bots ;) 14:39:07 anybody notice YahooGroups experimenting with ad placements? 14:40:02 er, again! 14:51:58 what sorts of experiments? 15:05:59 in the web archive, they're 1) placing ads in-line (text wraps around, often poorly), and 2) doing a clickthru, first you see the ad, then you click "see the message" to read the message itself 15:06:13 eek 15:06:56 oh, you're not logged in 15:07:08 decentralization software that works would be a nice replacement 15:07:21 ads go away when you log in? that's wierd 15:07:33 well, i'm not seeing any ads 15:07:48 hehe, YAWV -- yet another windows virus 15:07:56 you mean mailing list software that works? 15:09:45 partly that, but with a little redundancy 15:10:20 yeah, i like the rsync and mx record ideas for that 15:10:21 the ads seem to have about a 1/10 hit rate, keep clicking and you'll see on 15:10:34 aha 15:12:14 still no inline ads yet. 15:15:53 TextAdLinkExchange: http://www.timepasstown.com/blogsnob/ 15:18:16 heh 15:19:10 looks like my ad blocker is doing a decent job of blocking the yahoo ads. 15:19:10 I'm reading decentralization, if that makes any diff 15:20:27 you should at least be seeing the click-thrus, with an ad-blocker you should see a blank page with a "Continue to message" link 15:20:42 no, i'm seeing the click-thrus 15:20:53 well, there ya go! 15:21:18 still no inline ads yet. 15:27:58 * kenm wonders how many groups/users YG has... 15:29:20 how long until Google takes it over, do you think? 15:30:10 well, Yahoo is as big as Google ;) 15:30:52 But it seems sort of likely Google Groups will start indexing email lists, don't you think? 15:31:03 interesting, the click-thru ad is done as a redirect 15:32:38 Google does index YG 15:32:59 But Google Groups doesn't. 15:33:22 that kinda makes sense, doesn't it? 15:33:53 well i was thinking it'd be cool to read mailing lists in Google's newsgroup interface 15:34:06 where you can query on all the relevant metadata 15:34:14 which you can't do in normal google 15:34:45 have them buy mail-archive or geocrawler or something 15:34:56 likely you'd have to gateway it in externally. google groups wouldn't look good if it started randomly signing on to mail lists ;) 15:35:07 heh heh heh 15:58:09 BeOS . let it pass... incorporate the nice bits into open source 16:01:22 @ http://jake.editthispage.com/2001/11/20 16:03:01 D: http://jake.editthispage.com/2001/11/20 from AaronSw 16:03:18 D:|Lessons Jake Learned from School 16:03:19 titled item D 16:14:37 hmm, how many people are bothered by the rather off-hand suggestion that "[Officers will] also look for burned-out headlights, no seat belt, missing front license plates, low tires and following too closely [in order to find and cite those who are drinking 16:14:43 or doing drugs]." 16:16:04 yikes 16:16:10 this is following "Officers will look for the obvious signs [...]" with the suggestion of "[failing that, we'll make up any excuse just to smell your breath, even if you are otherwise driving OK." 16:17:40 @ http://www.portal.telegraph.co.uk/core/Content/displayPrintable.jhtml?xml=/news/2001/12/01/nterry01.xml&site=5 16:17:43 E: http://www.portal.telegraph.co.uk/core/Content/displayPrintable.jhtml?xml=/news/2001/12/01/nterry01.xml&site=5 from AaronSw 16:17:49 E:|Why grammar is the first casualty of war 16:17:50 titled item E 16:17:55 E::By Terry Jones 16:17:56 commented item E 16:18:05 where's this from, Ken? 16:20:10 E::"This is an edited version of an essay by Terry Jones, extracted from Voices for Peace: an Anthology (Scribner, �7.99) published in aid of Warchild." 16:20:11 commented item E 16:20:33 http://www.theiowachannel.com/news/1134267/detail.html 16:21:56 Low tires are always a sign of drunk drivers. 17:01:12 sbp (~sean@m150-mp1-cvx3b.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack 17:02:17 * AaronSw plays "Let The Sunshine In" in honor of WL 17:19:03 From the new SWOL draft: 17:19:04 [[[ 17:19:05 2/ The syntax of SWOL is expressed in terms of the XQuery 1.0 and XPath 2.0 17:19:05 Data Model (henceforth Data Model). 17:19:07 ]]] 17:19:17 New syntax? This sounds bad. 17:19:24 "The basic idea behind the syntactic changes is to take advantage of XQuery 17:19:24 processing." 17:25:10 * sbp plays "On The Sunny Side Of The Street" 17:25:31 new syntax? yeah, you're right 17:46:26 rillian (~giles@user-24-214-92-87.knology.net) has joined #swhack 17:47:02 log:uri is an odd property. { ?x = ?y . ?x ?p ?q } log:implies { ?y ?p ?q } . 17:47:29 log:uri "http://example.org/"; = . 17:47:42 log:uri "http://example.org/" . 17:48:17 it's that node / resource / uri thing again 17:48:22 yeah 17:48:37 log:uri rdfs:domain :Node . 17:53:49 tav has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17:58:22 sbp has quit (Ping timeout: 180 seconds) 18:07:33 tav` (tav@host217-34-83-190.in-addr.btopenworld.com) has joined #swhack 18:46:58 is SWQL the follow-on to RDFQuery? RDFQuery being the XQuery mapped into RDF logical model? 18:48:33 sbp (~sean@m581-mp1-cvx3b.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack 18:51:58 is SWQL the follow-on to RDFQuery? RDFQuery being the XQuery mapped into RDF logical model? 18:55:03 I've not heard of SWQL. 18:55:07 Are you thinking of SWOL 18:55:10 O not Q 18:55:54 O for Ontology 18:56:16 ah 18:56:20 .google SWQL 18:56:21 SWQL: http://www.oardc.ohio-state.edu/swql/res2002.htm 19:01:30 sbp has quit (Ping timeout: 180 seconds) 19:23:34 GabeW (~gwachob@12-236-92-153.client.attbi.com) has joined #swhack 19:29:49 GabeW has quit ("Client Exiting") 19:30:00 GabeW (~gwachob@12-236-92-153.client.attbi.com) has joined #swhack 19:53:17 GabeW has quit (Ping timeout: 180 seconds) 19:53:30 GabeW (~gwachob@12-236-92-153.client.attbi.com) has joined #swhack 20:00:56 sbp (~sean@m614-mp1-cvx4c.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack 20:06:51 come go, come go. so much for the famed, robust internet 20:07:08 famed? What kinda world do you live in? :-) 20:07:45 Poor ol' Gabe's on attbi... 20:09:04 sniff, sniff, sniff... they... 20:09:08 they stole my second monitor! 20:09:36 this is definitely a robust enough connection to do heart surgery over! 20:09:41 Oh, hi Aaron "One Monitor" Swartz 20:09:51 * AaronSw bursts into tears 20:09:58 :-) 20:12:10 @http://www.goose-works.org/ 20:12:21 @ http://www.goose-works.org/ 20:12:28 F: http://www.goose-works.org/ from hazmat 20:12:52 F: topic map engine with python api 20:13:09 * rillian comforts AaronSw 20:13:31 hazmat, s/F:/F::/ 20:13:38 thanks [sniff] rillian 20:13:41 perhaps it's a consolation that I have the sexiest laptop on the planet...and it doesn't have enought video ram to drive a second monitor 20:13:48 thanks aaron 20:13:50 F:: topic map engine with python api 20:13:51 commented item F 20:13:56 what laptop is that? 20:14:08 same one you have, I think 20:14:09 tibook 20:14:16 it doesn't have enough video ram? 20:14:20 nope 20:14:24 aww 20:14:26 I'm going to look at rcn 20:14:31 the october rev is better with 16 20:14:38 the original only had 8 20:14:51 so the monitor port is only useful for mirroring 20:14:56 sbp has quit (Ping timeout: 180 seconds) 20:15:04 ouch 20:16:03 sbp (~sean@m784-mp1-cvx4c.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack 20:18:46 sbp: a different world from most other people, I'm told :) 20:19:11 :-) 20:21:04 sbp has left #swhack 20:22:55 AaronSw has quit ("Terminated with extreme prejudice - dircproxy 1.0.1") 20:30:25 sbp (~sean@m784-mp1-cvx4c.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack 20:31:48 sbp has quit (Killed (NickServ (Ghost: SeanP!~sean@m929-mp1-cvx4c.pop.ntl.com))) 20:32:07 sbp (~sean@m929-mp1-cvx4c.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack 20:33:08 sbp has changed the topic to: Normal Service Will Resume Shortly 20:38:30 kenm has quit ("Leaving") 20:38:50 Alright, perhaps it won't. Who's to tell? 20:44:13 sbp has quit (Ping timeout: 180 seconds) 20:44:22 sbp (~sean@m18-mp1-cvx3b.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack 20:46:07 * sbp plays "Most High" - single import version 20:48:49 "And David's seed talks through his paper crown..." 21:08:44 sbp has quit (Ping timeout: 180 seconds) 21:18:06 Morbus (~Morbus@morbus.totalnetnh.net) has joined #swhack 21:18:08 tease! 21:18:10 Morbus has left #swhack 21:22:12 sbp (~sean@m42-mp1-cvx4c.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack 21:25:05 .f2c 52 21:25:06 52.0�F = 11.1111111111�C 21:25:32 I can do that in N3 21:28:12 what, convert? 21:28:18 yep 21:28:25 represent rational numbers? 21:29:08 live in a world where the internet is famed and robust? 21:31:06 * rillian hugs chumpster 21:31:51 chumpster: flirtation? 21:31:51 Not understood: flirtation? 21:33:14 sbp: what *else* can you do in N3? 21:33:32 er... represent stuff, generally 21:34:49 ah, my server's back up. Many of my hackings are linked from http://infomesh.net/2001/05/sw/ 21:55:00 woah. ups truck has two people in it 21:55:15 one to drive, one to run the packages up the walk 21:57:25 sbp has quit (Ping timeout: 180 seconds) 22:03:12 AaronSw (~a@12-249-96-16.client.attbi.com) has joined #swhack 22:17:35 AaronSw has quit ("brb") 22:28:02 sbp (~sean@m678-mp1-cvx4c.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack 22:34:19 hello is there anybody here? hello? No, thought not 22:54:56 .seen xena 22:54:57 xena seen joining #sbp ~ 2 hr(s) 41 min(s) 48 sec(s) ago 22:55:01 .seen xena 22:55:01 xena seen joining #sbp ~ 2 hr(s) 41 min(s) 52 sec(s) ago 22:55:04 .seen xena 22:55:05 xena seen joining #sbp ~ 2 hr(s) 41 min(s) 56 sec(s) ago 22:55:06 .seen xena 22:55:07 xena seen joining #sbp ~ 2 hr(s) 41 min(s) 58 sec(s) ago 22:55:09 .seen xena 22:55:10 xena seen joining #sbp ~ 2 hr(s) 42 min(s) 1 sec(s) ago 22:55:14 .seen xena 22:55:15 xena seen joining #sbp ~ 2 hr(s) 42 min(s) 6 sec(s) ago 22:55:19 .seen xena 22:55:19 xena seen joining #sbp ~ 2 hr(s) 42 min(s) 10 sec(s) ago 22:55:24 .seen xena 22:55:25 xena seen joining #sbp ~ 2 hr(s) 42 min(s) 16 sec(s) ago 22:55:27 .seen xena 22:55:27 xena seen joining #sbp ~ 2 hr(s) 42 min(s) 18 sec(s) ago 22:55:34 .commands 22:55:34 valid commands: 22:55:35 - +mask, -mask, access, acronym, act, babel, beats, billennium, c2f, change 22:55:36 - commands, ctcp, date, dict, die, dns, dtrt, e, email, excuse 22:55:37 - f2c, flight, foldoc, fortune, google, help, imdb, intelliquote, isotime, jargon 22:55:38 - join, login, masks, modules, msg, news, news on, news source, nick, nickometer 22:55:39 - part, pig latin, plexname, poker, quit, quote, raw, register, rfc, rfc2 22:55:40 - rot13, search, seen, server, servers, spell, status, symbol for, time, translate 22:55:41 - unixtime, users, weather, weather2, webster, when did, whois, wn, zope commands 22:55:45 .seen xena 22:55:46 xena seen joining #sbp ~ 2 hr(s) 42 min(s) 37 sec(s) ago 22:55:48 .seen xena 22:55:48 xena seen joining #sbp ~ 2 hr(s) 42 min(s) 39 sec(s) ago 22:55:55 .seen xena 22:55:55 xena seen joining #sbp ~ 2 hr(s) 42 min(s) 46 sec(s) ago 22:56:00 .seen xena 22:56:00 xena seen joining #sbp ~ 2 hr(s) 42 min(s) 51 sec(s) ago 22:56:02 .seen xena 22:56:03 xena seen joining #sbp ~ 2 hr(s) 42 min(s) 54 sec(s) ago 22:56:04 .seen xena 22:56:04 xena seen joining #sbp ~ 2 hr(s) 42 min(s) 55 sec(s) ago 22:56:05 .seen xena 22:56:06 xena seen joining #sbp ~ 2 hr(s) 42 min(s) 57 sec(s) ago 22:56:16 .rfc 1 22:56:16 http://rfc.net/rfc1.html : Host Software 22:56:22 .rfc 2 22:56:23 http://rfc.net/rfc2.html : Host software 22:56:25 .rfc 3 22:56:25 http://rfc.net/rfc3.html : Documentation conventions 22:56:34 Well, whaddya know 22:56:46 .server 22:56:46 @ http://hem.passagen.se/mansb/at/tengscribe.htm 22:56:47 usage: server [:] [] 22:56:48 - instructs xena to attempt to make a connection to server-address 22:56:49 - if either of the optional port parameters are specified, xena will attempt to use that port number 22:56:50 - the port number defaults to 6667 22:56:53 G: http://hem.passagen.se/mansb/at/tengscribe.htm from rillian 22:57:07 G|tengwar editor 22:57:13 G|now with esperanto modes! 22:57:19 ooh, neat 22:57:30 G:|tengwar editor 22:57:31 titled item G 22:57:37 G:|now with esperanto modes! 22:57:38 titled item G 22:57:39 G::now with esperanto modes! 22:57:40 commented item G 22:57:44 G:|Tengwar editor 22:57:44 G:|tengwar editor 22:57:45 titled item G 22:57:47 titled item G 22:57:48 heh, heh 22:57:49 heh 22:57:52 :-) 22:58:23 G::Good stuff - has a Quenya mode 22:58:24 commented item G 22:58:53 G::(of course, but you know what I mean) 22:58:54 commented item G 23:09:46 @ http://makeashorterlink.com/ 23:10:03 H: http://makeashorterlink.com/ from sbp 23:10:26 H:|Make-A-Shorter-Link 23:10:27 titled item H 23:10:44 H::By the PANTS collective, which I tend to equate with Edd 23:10:45 commented item H 23:11:09 H::"""This web site provides a simple service - when you find a page on the web whose address is too long to paste into an email or other document, you can use our free service to generate a shorter, simpler address.""" - http://makeashorterlink.com/about.php 23:11:10 commented item H 23:11:45 H::i.e., a PURL-a-like, except that: """How long are the shorter links going to last? [...] We hesitate to say "forever", because that's a very long time indeed. But the links will remain usable for a long time.""" - ibid. 23:11:46 commented item H 23:12:22 @ http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/asia-pacific/newsid_555000/555728.stm 23:12:28 I: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/asia-pacific/newsid_555000/555728.stm from sbp 23:14:26 sbp has quit (Killed (NickServ (Ghost: SeanP!~sean@m497-mp1-cvx3b.pop.ntl.com))) 23:14:34 sbp (~sean@m497-mp1-cvx3b.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack 23:14:54 I:|Taiwan bride is a real doll 23:14:55 titled item I 23:14:56 H::"The code was written by Matthew Hunt" 23:14:57 commented item H 23:22:33 sbp has quit (Killed (NickServ (Ghost: SeanP!~sean@m35-mp1-cvx4c.pop.ntl.com))) 23:22:47 sbp (~sean@m35-mp1-cvx4c.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack 23:26:22 I::"""Chang Hsi-hsum, 46, married the 28cm (11 inch) plastic doll during an elaborate ceremony at his local Buddhist temple.""" 23:26:24 commented item I 23:29:25 I::also: "If Humpty Dumpty married Englebert Humperdink, he would be Humpty Humperdink" - [http://www.geocities.com/paris/1871/marriage.html|http://www.geocities.com/paris/1871/marriage.html] 23:29:26 commented item I 23:32:47 I wonder if the Weblog always clears itself out at midnight? It'd be better if it preserved yesterday's news until at least one thing is chumped 23:35:04 .py print string.replace('314901350123aefj89qw3ut83q', '\d', '1') 23:35:05 314901350123aefj89qw3ut83q 23:35:12 .py print string.replace('314901350123aefj89qw3ut83q', '\D', '1') 23:35:12 314901350123aefj89qw3ut83q 23:35:32 sbp: that only works in regexes 23:36:44 yeah... just figured that :-)