IRC log of swhack on 2001-12-21

Timestamps are in UTC.

00:00:16 [sbp]

Knock knock; who's there; oh... no one

00:00:26 [sbp]

"Darkness there, and nothing more" - EAP

00:02:07 [sbp]

well, it's "midnight", but not a "midnight dreary"

00:02:33 [AaronSw]

argh, what's wrong with this script

00:02:45 [sbp]

still struggling with that RegExp?

00:03:01 [AaronSw]

well, i've fixed it, but it still hits the cpu pretty bad

00:03:24 [sbp]

"Come in, she said, I've give you... shelter from the storm"

00:03:37 [sbp]

what's the point of it, again?

00:03:37 [AaronSw]

this is interesting: [20/Dec/2001:19:03:09 -0500] "GET /rdf/iana-uri-schemes HTTP/1.0" 200 1105 "" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows NT 5.0) Fetch API Request"

00:03:51 [AaronSw]

it's for getting rss from html pages

00:04:35 [AaronSw]

hey, i saw that: [20/Dec/2001:19:04:15 -0500] "GET /rdf/iana-uri-schemes HTTP/1.1" 200 1105 "" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows 98; Win 9x 4.90; Q312461)"

00:04:37 [sbp]

er... that's interesting why?

00:04:42 [sbp]

heh, heh

00:05:01 [AaronSw]

well, who's getting it and what's a fetch api?

00:05:11 [AaronSw]

i mean in this case, not generally

00:05:11 [sbp]

.google "Fetch API Request"

00:05:13 [xena]

"Fetch API Request": http://forums.cnet.zdnet.com/group/cnet.Downloads.Web.Developer/cnet/oview.tpt/@thread@first@F@75@D-,D@all?ROS=1

00:05:58 [sbp]

Hmm... difficult thing to find out

00:06:04 [sbp]

did you log the IP address?

00:06:47 [AaronSw]

.dns 200.213.253.162

00:06:49 [xena]

200.213.253.162 - error: host not found

00:07:02 [AaronSw]

.dns 80.1.184.36

00:07:06 [xena]

80.1.184.36 - m36-mp1-cvx4c.pop.ntl.com

00:07:21 [sbp]

Hmph

00:07:23 [AaronSw]

it's hit it about 4 times in the past 1000 iterations

00:07:28 [AaronSw]

err 10000 hits

00:07:31 [AaronSw]

maybe it's danc?

00:07:38 [tansaku]

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00:07:44 [sbp]

.google 200.213.253.162

00:07:45 [xena]

no results found.

00:08:44 [AaronSw]

it's owned by the Comite Gestor da Internet no Brasil

00:08:59 [sbp]

Hmm...

00:13:06 [sbp]

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00:13:16 [sbp]

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00:14:41 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw throws a mutex around the regexp stuff

00:14:43 [AaronSw]

that should teach em!

00:14:53 [AaronSw]

cool

00:15:29 [sbp]

why does em need teaching?

00:15:38 [AaronSw]

err 'em

00:16:53 [sbp]

:-)

00:17:14 [AaronSw]

now to do the swhack archives

00:18:32 [sbp]

do what to the archives? You be careful with them!

00:19:02 [AaronSw]

don't you worry your little head -- i'm just running this little sed script...

00:19:03 [AaronSw]

oops

00:19:21 [sbp]

aaaaargh!

00:19:25 [sbp]

:-)

00:20:30 [Morbus]

whoo. just got my movable type keys

00:20:45 [AaronSw]

keys?

00:21:11 [Morbus]

yeah, if you donate money, you get keys that allow you to get listed on their "recently updated" thingy.

00:21:15 [AaronSw]

ah

00:21:17 [Morbus]

just like weblogs.com ping, which they also support

00:27:14 [AaronSw]

What to people think of this: http://blogspace.com/swhack/weblog/2001/

00:27:56 [Morbus]

AaronSw, 1012 is out. software update

00:28:01 [AaronSw]

Hey, cool -- we started blogging on the first of the month.

00:28:04 [AaronSw]

Morbus, ooh

00:30:01 [AaronSw]

IrDA support - nice

00:30:33 [tav]

aside from the fact that neither of the links work...

00:30:40 [Morbus]

mmhmm. should be finished by about 2 tonight for me :)

00:30:40 [AaronSw]

ignoring that

00:30:50 [rillian]

rillian has quit ("dinner")

00:30:53 [AaronSw]

poor guy, i'm half done

00:30:58 [tav]

should also have the current day's log on the first page...

00:31:03 [Morbus]

i choose not to ignore that.

00:31:09 [Morbus]

heh, i hate you :)

00:31:12 [AaronSw]

tav, current days chatlog?

00:31:18 [tav]

weblog

00:31:25 [AaronSw]

umm, isn't it?

00:31:25 [tav]

ehm

00:31:27 [tav]

ignore that

00:31:32 [AaronSw]

heh

00:31:36 [tav]

just noted it's /2001/ and not /

00:32:18 [tav]

this is the reason i like zope, something like this could have been done in 20 seconds

00:32:35 [AaronSw]

not really, since logger has no access to the zodb!

00:33:17 [AaronSw]

I'm sure it'd be 20 secs if i had pywx installed too, but i'm rusty on tcl

00:33:28 [tav]

irc <-> xml-rpc <-> zodb

00:33:36 [AaronSw]

oh pleeeaz

00:33:40 [AaronSw]

i don't need more pain in my life

00:33:48 [tav]

;p

00:33:52 [AaronSw]

;-)

00:35:24 [AaronSw]

install is done

00:35:41 [Morbus]

reboooot!

00:35:53 [Morbus]

wiat, its done? how long did your optimize take?

00:35:53 [Morbus]

mine takes a good five minutes

00:36:03 [AaronSw]

well the install is done. the optimization isn't :)

00:36:22 [Morbus]

ah. ok :)

00:38:09 [Morbus]

mine'scoming along smoothly.

00:38:15 [Morbus]

looks like i'm at 10%

00:43:34 [AaronSw]

ok, archives should be working

00:43:53 [AaronSw]

hmm, maybe not

00:44:10 [sbp]

@ http://www.juvalamu.com/qmarks/perm9802.html

00:44:14 [chumpster]

A: Permanent Collection of the Gallery of ''Misused'' Quotation Marks from sbp

00:44:21 [sbp]

A::Very "funny"

00:44:22 [chumpster]

commented item A

00:45:03 [AaronSw]

OK, now they really are working.

00:45:14 [AaronSw]

@ http://blogspace.com/swhack/weblog/2001/

00:45:16 [chumpster]

B: Archives for 2001 from AaronSw

00:45:26 [AaronSw]

B:|Swhack Archives for 2001

00:45:27 [chumpster]

titled item B

00:45:45 [AaronSw]

B::As another year draws to a close, it's time to look back on the archives that made this such a special year for our Swhack Weblog.

00:45:46 [chumpster]

commented item B

00:46:14 [AaronSw]

sbp, now you say, other than the fact that it's our only year?

00:46:26 [AaronSw]

:-)

00:47:04 [sbp]

B::Other than the fact that it's our only year so far?

00:47:05 [chumpster]

commented item B

00:47:16 [sbp]

happy now?

00:47:21 [AaronSw]

good job

00:47:25 [sbp]

thank you

00:48:14 [AaronSw]

B:|Swhack Weblog Archives for 2001

00:48:15 [chumpster]

titled item B

00:52:06 [Morbus]

heh:

00:52:08 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw heads off for dinner

00:52:48 [sbp]

heh what?

00:53:08 [Morbus]

heh yer mama

00:53:14 [Morbus]

whoooO

00:55:39 [sbp]

<Morbus> jillium, do you meet people who try to rationalize that google should only index 100 sites, because they've totally misunderstood the definition of the wrod google?

00:55:43 [sbp]

* jillium gazes briefly at Morbus and then decides not to have heard that.

00:57:40 [Morbus]

<sbp> couldn't think of a clever response to "yo mama", went and read a few more scare quote things, came back, thought of a clever response. What more is there to say?

00:57:49 [sbp]

:-)

00:58:49 [sbp]

careful Morby, we'll get like Aaron!

00:59:54 [sbp]

heh, Aaron's going to have to chop this log to bits by the end of the day

01:00:39 [sbp]

and I don't mean for firewood or anything like that...

01:01:22 [sbp]

all we need are a few lude references, a couple of slanderous insults to some celebreties, and some illegal activities, and we'll be well away

01:01:34 [sbp]

and, of course, a bit-o'-cussin'

01:02:48 [sbp]

s/celebreties/celebrities/

01:03:54 [sbp]

sbp has changed the topic to: We've packed our supplies; the four wheel drive's ready to go; let's off-topic!

01:05:21 [sbp]

actually, since nothing is off-topic, we can't. Well that's just a big annoyance, isn't it?

01:10:10 [sbp]

California sunlight

01:10:16 [sbp]

Sweet Calcutta rain

01:10:24 [sbp]

Honolulu starbright

01:10:29 [sbp]

The Song Remains The Same

01:17:01 [Morbus]

well, now this is certainly weird.

01:17:07 [Morbus]

somehow, i've gotten <p>'s to be treated as td's.

01:17:25 [Morbus]

AaronSw, if you have ie 5.1, take a look at the skotos.* file in gamegrene.com/mt_tempaltes/

01:17:31 [Morbus]

oop, templates, rather

01:17:32 [sbp]

Through CSS?

01:18:02 [Morbus]

well, they're defined in rss, but only font properties. nothing fancy

01:18:10 [sbp]

rss?

01:18:31 [Morbus]

uh, css, rathe.r

01:18:45 [sbp]

Semantic slip

01:19:35 [Morbus]

oh, i think i know why.

01:19:35 [Morbus]

nevermind

01:23:22 [AaronSw]

hi

01:23:42 [sbp]

Hi

01:24:10 [AaronSw]

Morbus, you go to gencon?

01:24:32 [Morbus]

nope.

01:24:38 [Morbus]

i had a gamegrene writer there though

01:24:46 [AaronSw]

neat

01:24:52 [Morbus]

and then he sent me his baggie of crapl.

01:25:09 [AaronSw]

what's the problem with this skotos page?

01:25:23 [Morbus]

1/2 done the dl. woo.

01:25:29 [Morbus]

hmm? what skotos page?

01:25:36 [Morbus]

the clickthrough page?

01:25:36 [Morbus]

dunno. haven't been there in ahwile.

01:26:30 [sbp]

swhack, 1AM. Morbus gives a whole new meaning to meaning to the phrase "Doggy bag"

01:28:31 [AaronSw]

Would folks mind if we transitioned to // as the off-log syntax?

01:28:36 [sbp]

yes

01:28:40 [AaronSw]

thought so

01:28:53 [sbp]

please use THISISANOFFLOGCOMMENT:

01:28:53 [AaronSw]

heh, too bad

01:29:07 [AaronSw]

i'll switch to // when no one is looking. mwahaha

01:29:21 [AaronSw]

Morbus, you can answer questions on-log, you know

01:30:30 [sbp]

; how about a semi-colon?

01:30:49 [AaronSw]

; sort of weird

01:30:55 [sbp]

; yes, but kinky

01:31:17 [sbp]

log Morbus is a very nice fellow

01:31:28 [Morbus]

Morbus has quit ("http://www.disobey.com/")

01:32:16 [AaronSw]

he'll come back. they always come back

01:32:28 [sbp]

; ah, #swhack

01:32:39 [AaronSw]

You can't escape it.

01:32:42 [sbp]

; aargh, you haven't implemented ";" yet!

01:32:48 [AaronSw]

; heh heh

01:32:57 [AaronSw]

; perhaps we should have a set of punctuation

01:33:01 [AaronSw]

; could mean off-topic

01:33:09 [AaronSw]

could mean request

01:33:13 [AaronSw]

err hmm

01:33:17 [AaronSw]

i guess // doesn't work

01:33:22 [sbp]

heh, heh

01:33:24 [AaronSw]

\\ could mean request

01:33:37 [sbp]

well, that was a disaster

01:33:41 [sbp]

\\ sucks too

01:33:49 [AaronSw]

-- could mean something stupid

01:33:56 [sbp]

% could mean a percentage

01:34:05 [AaronSw]

lol!

01:34:13 [sbp]

$ could be a dollar amount, or a Perl variable when Morbus returns

01:34:14 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw giggles

01:34:22 [sbp]

:-)

01:34:42 [sbp]

: is the start of a smiley, or an emacs command thingy

01:35:10 [sbp]

so we're sticking with "#" then? fine

01:35:26 [AaronSw]

; can be off-topic but on-log

01:35:55 [sbp]

er... right, that'll work

01:36:16 [sbp]

ah, "I was just wondering: " could be off-topic but on-log

01:36:41 [AaronSw]

nah

01:36:46 [AaronSw]

cuz responses will look stupid

01:36:57 [sbp]

I was just wondering: yeah, that's true

01:38:11 [sbp]

so, when will you be doctoring the logs today? :-)

01:38:25 [AaronSw]

/kick sbp (slander)

01:38:30 [sbp]

heh, heh

01:39:01 [sbp]

now, I blame the fact that the darkness is setting in. SAD, or something

01:43:05 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw prepares for a reboot

01:43:32 [sbp]

I didn't even know that you were paying taxes

01:43:41 [sbp]

oh, sorry, misread...

01:43:50 [AaronSw]

what did you read?

01:43:59 [sbp]

why, rebate, of course

01:44:04 [AaronSw]

heh

01:44:51 [sbp]

* sbp is currently concerned about the spelling of lacklustre

01:46:21 [sbp]

"re" vs. "er"?

01:49:10 [AaronSw]

Difficult questions.

01:49:12 [AaronSw]

Hmm, maybe Morbus knows.

01:49:23 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw tries out his new OS.

01:49:30 [sbp]

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01:52:29 [sbp]

as I was trying to say: i.e. is it even an issue?

01:55:30 [sbp]

* sbp wonders when Morbus will be back. Odds on time periods?

01:58:50 [sbp]

sbp has changed the topic to: "Rule by nomic" - AaronSw (taken out of context)

01:59:16 [AaronSw]

AaronSw has changed the topic to: Ruled by Nomic.

01:59:47 [sbp]

aw...

02:00:17 [AaronSw]

tav, i'm in london from the 25th to the 7th

02:00:33 [tav]

7th hmz

02:00:38 [tav]

when do you leave home?

02:00:59 [AaronSw]

we leave on the 25th, get in about midnight

02:01:12 [AaronSw]

we'll probably be leaving london after the 1st of the year, tho

02:02:42 [tav]

what's your schedule?

02:03:07 [AaronSw]

it's not really planned out yet

02:06:18 [tav]

when would be good to meet up with a) you b) your father?

02:08:45 [AaronSw]

when are you free?

02:08:48 [AaronSw]

when are you going to norway?

02:13:57 [sbp]

How are you getting there?

02:15:14 [AaronSw]

me?

02:15:27 [AaronSw]

by plane

02:15:45 [sbp]

Now, I reckon that you have a few options. Well, more than a few *options*, but certainly a few *modes*: air, sea, land. Land, of course, has the most sub-options: walking, skipping, hopping, running, jogging, cycling, car-driving, van-driving, truck-driving, rollerskating, skateboarding, rolling, hand-walking, motorcycling, etc.

02:15:55 [sbp]

no, tav

02:16:26 [sbp]

horse-riding, SegWay, piggy-back...

02:16:35 [tav]

lol

02:16:36 [AaronSw]

you know tav -- he's doing all of them

02:16:44 [sbp]

heh, heh

02:17:05 [tav]

unfortunately, unless a miracle happens to my bank account tomorrow, i won't be going to norway :/

02:17:20 [sbp]

* sbp rewires the bot to be good

02:17:22 [sbp]

Mircale in account number 0928509207?

02:17:25 [tav]

well, i have enough to go, but not enough to live when i come back

02:17:29 [sbp]

rewires what bot?

02:17:45 [tav]

51663755 needs the miracle

02:17:50 [sbp]

aha :-)

02:18:09 [AaronSw]

.transfer $5000 from 51663755 to 123726939

02:18:28 [sbp]

sbp has quit (Remote closed the connection)

02:18:33 [xena]

Transaction completed.

02:18:38 [sbp]

sbp (~sean@m38-mp1-cvx4c.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack

02:18:55 [AaronSw]

oops, did i go the wrong way there. ah twell.

02:19:05 [AaronSw]

Heh, that twas a Morbus-ism.

02:19:05 [tav]

heh

02:19:29 [tav]

i'm afraid i've reached my overdraft limit, so the transaction should have failed

02:19:41 [tav]

i look forward to the day we can do that with xena though

02:19:59 [AaronSw]

it'll all go thru the plex, right?

02:20:00 [AaronSw]

;)

02:20:04 [tav]

yes

02:20:34 [tav]

.seen maur

02:20:34 [xena]

Maur seen changing nickname to Maur|diminshing ~ 14 hr(s) 38 min(s) 8 sec(s) ago

02:20:54 [sbp]

.seen Morbus

02:20:55 [xena]

Morbus seen in #swhack saying: [ # pfft. i can't be on topic and i can't b e offtopic. fuck you. ] ~ 49 min(s) 27 sec(s) ago

02:21:00 [sbp]

Hmm...

02:21:07 [AaronSw]

a bit of a security hole there.

02:21:12 [AaronSw]

and why didn't it catch him logging off?

02:21:48 [tav]

security hole?

02:21:49 [sbp]

Security hole doesn't really begin to describe it

02:21:59 [AaronSw]

more like security galaxy.

02:22:03 [tav]

hmz?

02:22:07 [AaronSw]

or universe ot something.

02:22:07 [sbp]

heh, yes

02:22:13 [tav]

ouch @ morbus

02:23:05 [sbp]

* sbp should have tried ".seen" through "/msg" first...

02:23:23 [AaronSw]

well it's too late now.

02:23:29 [AaronSw]

tav, can you fix the .seen function

02:23:59 [tav]

to...?

02:24:00 [sbp]

oh well, these logs should really end up as shreddings anyway

02:24:10 [AaronSw]

to not be a gaping security hole

02:25:04 [AaronSw]

hmm, itunes is acting funny

02:25:06 [sbp]

.seen sbp

02:25:07 [xena]

sbp seen in #swhack saying: [ .seen sbp ] ~ ago

02:25:10 [sbp]

heh, heh

02:25:29 [sbp]

!itunes

02:26:18 [tav]

ah, the #

02:26:19 [tav]

?

02:26:41 [AaronSw]

well, and the fact i can spy on other channels

02:27:34 [sbp]

*sigh*

02:28:14 [AaronSw]

sigh?

02:28:20 [AaronSw]

.seen zooko

02:28:21 [xena]

zooko seen joining #infoanarchy ~ 6 day(s) 17 hr(s) 3 min(s) 13 sec(s) ago

02:28:23 [sbp]

Uh huh?

02:28:24 [AaronSw]

.seen zooko 2

02:28:24 [xena]

zooko seen in #p2p-hackers saying: [ G'night y'all. ] ~ 6 day(s) 17 hr(s) 22 min(s) 40 sec(s) ago

02:28:28 [AaronSw]

.seen zooko 3

02:28:29 [xena]

zooko seen in #p2p-hackers saying: [ Thanks! ] ~ 6 day(s) 17 hr(s) 37 min(s) 17 sec(s) ago

02:28:30 [AaronSw]

.seen zooko 4

02:28:32 [AaronSw]

.seen zooko 5

02:28:33 [xena]

zooko seen in #p2p-hackers saying: [ oops. ] ~ 6 day(s) 17 hr(s) 39 min(s) 3 sec(s) ago

02:28:38 [AaronSw]

.seen zooko 6

02:28:39 [xena]

zooko seen in #p2p-hackers saying: [ G ] ~ 6 day(s) 17 hr(s) 39 min(s) 10 sec(s) ago

02:28:39 [AaronSw]

.seen zooko 7

02:28:40 [AaronSw]

.seen zooko 8

02:28:41 [xena]

zooko seen in #p2p-hackers saying: [ Raph: I hope that, uh, the ghostscript company sells out for a zillion dollars and you retire and start working full-time on all this crazy stuff. :-) ] ~ 6 day(s) 17 hr(s) 54 min(s) 17 sec(s) ago

02:28:54 [AaronSw]

.seen zooko 9

02:28:57 [AaronSw]

.seen zooko 10

02:28:58 [xena]

zooko seen in #p2p-hackers saying: [ So Amber and I had worked out a system for managing local reputations of your immediate (non-transitive) trading partners, and then we started thinking about making Every Node A Token Server and accepting tokens from a 3rd party, which would be entering the realm of transitive, like you ahve worked out... ] ~ 6 day(s) 18 hr(s) 47 sec(s) ago

02:29:41 [tav]

thank you...

02:29:43 [AaronSw]

wow, my system is really screwed now

02:29:45 [sbp]

.seen AaronSw 928

02:29:45 [xena]

sbp: no match found: aaronsw

02:29:50 [AaronSw]

heh

02:29:50 [tav]

only 10 sbp

02:29:56 [sbp]

Pff

02:30:30 [sbp]

I wanted a random quote of AaronSw wisdom!

02:30:33 [tav]

the ideal system would only mention the channel the user is in?

02:31:01 [tav]

and say user last seen speaking in #foo, last #swhack : [ ]

02:31:02 [tav]

?

02:35:27 [rillian]

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02:40:04 [sbp]

Perhaps even that is too much

02:40:39 [tav]

what should it be?

02:41:15 [sbp]

just let logged in people use it through msg

02:42:32 [tav]

*eventually* xena would have trust metrics, so she can say when last seen in public, and tell user last seen statement, in notice, according to their trust level

02:44:05 [sbp]

uh huh. well, trust-metrics aside... :-)

02:50:15 [sbp]

.commands

02:50:16 [xena]

valid commands:

02:50:17 [xena]

- +mask, -mask, access, acronym, act, babel, beats, billennium, c2f, change

02:50:18 [xena]

- commands, ctcp, date, dict, die, dns, dtrt, e, email, excuse

02:50:19 [xena]

- f2c, flight, foldoc, fortune, google, help, imdb, intelliquote, isotime, jargon

02:50:20 [xena]

- join, login, masks, modules, msg, news, news on, news source, nick, nickometer

02:50:21 [xena]

- part, pig latin, plexname, poker, quit, quote, raw, register, rfc, rfc2

02:50:22 [xena]

- rot13, search, seen, server, servers, spell, status, symbol for, time, translate

02:50:23 [xena]

- unixtime, users, weather, weather2, webster, when did, whois, wn, zope commands

02:50:47 [sbp]

.excuse

02:50:48 [xena]

sbp, the recent proliferation of nuclear testing

02:51:10 [sbp]

Hmm... so I have to bother to think up a question? Why's that?

02:51:11 [sbp]

.excuse

02:51:12 [xena]

sbp, change your language to finnish.

02:51:21 [sbp]

aha!

02:51:53 [sbp]

Finnish is one of the few European languages that is not apparently descended from Proto-Indo-European (along with Hungarian)

02:52:08 [sbp]

(er... and a couple more, probably)

03:03:17 [sbp]

.time

03:03:18 [xena]

2001/12/21 03:04:52.2654 Universal

03:03:31 [sbp]

Hmm... seems to be getting faster

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03:55:19 [rillian]

more to the point, finnish is something of an isolate

03:55:36 [rillian]

and also a primary inspiration for tolkien's elvish :)

03:55:40 [AaronSw]

howdy

03:55:50 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw just watched "The Merchants of Cool" -- freaky show.

03:57:11 [AaronSw]

sbp, your mail is bouncing

03:57:28 [sbp]

argh, damn

03:58:49 [AaronSw]

i've got like 400 bounces

03:59:04 [sbp]

is that a new record?

03:59:24 [AaronSw]

perhaps

03:59:53 [sbp]

sorry... 'tis unavoidable, though

04:00:23 [AaronSw]

not if you had a backup mx ;)

04:00:58 [sbp]

good point :-)

04:01:43 [AaronSw]

interesting to read http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/cool/teens/ after watching the show

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04:53:11 [AaronSw]

@ http://www.lophty.com/kumo/

04:53:19 [chumpster]

C: kumo : web programming every day from AaronSw

04:53:44 [AaronSw]

C::A weblog from a guy interested in RDF, Python, the Web, etc.

04:53:45 [chumpster]

commented item C

04:54:11 [AaronSw]

C::Sounds like the right kind of candidate for swhack! :-)

04:54:11 [chumpster]

commented item C

04:58:22 [sbp]

heh, heh, heh

05:02:44 [sbp]

your NNTP server seems to be broken

05:05:29 [AaronSw]

yeah, i noticed

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05:09:55 [AaronSw]

How could I have missed this? http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-formal-assertion-testbed/

05:11:50 [sbp]

A, what's up with your NNTP server?

05:12:06 [sbp]

Hmm... yeah. What's that for?

05:12:43 [AaronSw]

i guess my nntp server went down

05:12:53 [AaronSw]

i'll take a look

05:12:58 [sbp]

thanks

05:20:11 [AaronSw]

oh wait, that was back in February.

05:20:17 [AaronSw]

it must have been on the old server, which I don't have anymore

05:20:42 [sbp]

er... what happened to all of the messages?

05:21:12 [AaronSw]

they're on my brother's machine

05:21:30 [AaronSw]

i made a backup

05:21:34 [sbp]

ah. Well, as long as they still kinda exist, then that's alright

05:22:00 [AaronSw]

yeah, maybe someday i'll bring them back

05:22:06 [sbp]

:-)

05:22:17 [sbp]

Not much stuff there, AFAIK

05:22:27 [AaronSw]

yeah

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14:32:17 [kenm]

heh, joining a channel that is almost half bots ;)

14:39:07 [kenm]

anybody notice YahooGroups experimenting with ad placements?

14:40:02 [kenm]

er, again!

14:51:58 [AaronSw]

what sorts of experiments?

15:05:59 [kenm]

in the web archive, they're 1) placing ads in-line (text wraps around, often poorly), and 2) doing a clickthru, first you see the ad, then you click "see the message" to read the message itself

15:06:13 [AaronSw]

eek

15:06:56 [AaronSw]

oh, you're not logged in

15:07:08 [kenm]

decentralization software that works would be a nice replacement

15:07:21 [kenm]

ads go away when you log in? that's wierd

15:07:33 [AaronSw]

well, i'm not seeing any ads

15:07:48 [kenm]

hehe, YAWV -- yet another windows virus

15:07:56 [AaronSw]

you mean mailing list software that works?

15:09:45 [kenm]

partly that, but with a little redundancy

15:10:20 [AaronSw]

yeah, i like the rsync and mx record ideas for that

15:10:21 [kenm]

the ads seem to have about a 1/10 hit rate, keep clicking and you'll see on

15:10:34 [AaronSw]

aha

15:12:14 [AaronSw]

still no inline ads yet.

15:15:53 [AaronSw]

TextAdLinkExchange: http://www.timepasstown.com/blogsnob/

15:18:16 [kenm]

heh

15:19:10 [AaronSw]

looks like my ad blocker is doing a decent job of blocking the yahoo ads.

15:19:10 [kenm]

I'm reading decentralization, if that makes any diff

15:20:27 [kenm]

you should at least be seeing the click-thrus, with an ad-blocker you should see a blank page with a "Continue to message" link

15:20:42 [AaronSw]

no, i'm seeing the click-thrus

15:20:53 [kenm]

well, there ya go!

15:21:18 [AaronSw]

<AaronSw> still no inline ads yet.

15:27:58 [kenm]

* kenm wonders how many groups/users YG has...

15:29:20 [AaronSw]

how long until Google takes it over, do you think?

15:30:10 [kenm]

well, Yahoo is as big as Google ;)

15:30:52 [AaronSw]

But it seems sort of likely Google Groups will start indexing email lists, don't you think?

15:31:03 [kenm]

interesting, the click-thru ad is done as a redirect

15:32:38 [kenm]

Google does index YG

15:32:59 [AaronSw]

But Google Groups doesn't.

15:33:22 [kenm]

that kinda makes sense, doesn't it?

15:33:53 [AaronSw]

well i was thinking it'd be cool to read mailing lists in Google's newsgroup interface

15:34:06 [AaronSw]

where you can query on all the relevant metadata

15:34:14 [AaronSw]

which you can't do in normal google

15:34:45 [AaronSw]

have them buy mail-archive or geocrawler or something

15:34:56 [kenm]

likely you'd have to gateway it in externally. google groups wouldn't look good if it started randomly signing on to mail lists ;)

15:35:07 [AaronSw]

heh heh heh

15:58:09 [kenm]

BeOS <sigh>. let it pass... incorporate the nice bits into open source

16:01:22 [AaronSw]

@ http://jake.editthispage.com/2001/11/20

16:03:01 [chumpster]

D: http://jake.editthispage.com/2001/11/20 from AaronSw

16:03:18 [AaronSw]

D:|Lessons Jake Learned from School

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titled item D

16:14:37 [kenm]

hmm, how many people are bothered by the rather off-hand suggestion that "[Officers will] also look for burned-out headlights, no seat belt, missing front license plates, low tires and following too closely [in order to find and cite those who are drinking

16:14:43 [kenm]

or doing drugs]."

16:16:04 [AaronSw]

yikes

16:16:10 [kenm]

this is following "Officers will look for the obvious signs [...]" with the suggestion of "[failing that, we'll make up any excuse just to smell your breath, even if you are otherwise driving OK."

16:17:40 [AaronSw]

@ http://www.portal.telegraph.co.uk/core/Content/displayPrintable.jhtml?xml=/news/2001/12/01/nterry01.xml&site=5

16:17:43 [chumpster]

E: http://www.portal.telegraph.co.uk/core/Content/displayPrintable.jhtml?xml=/news/2001/12/01/nterry01.xml&site=5 from AaronSw

16:17:49 [AaronSw]

E:|Why grammar is the first casualty of war

16:17:50 [chumpster]

titled item E

16:17:55 [AaronSw]

E::By Terry Jones

16:17:56 [chumpster]

commented item E

16:18:05 [AaronSw]

where's this from, Ken?

16:20:10 [AaronSw]

E::"This is an edited version of an essay by Terry Jones, extracted from Voices for Peace: an Anthology (Scribner, £7.99) published in aid of Warchild."

16:20:11 [chumpster]

commented item E

16:20:33 [kenm]

http://www.theiowachannel.com/news/1134267/detail.html

16:21:56 [AaronSw]

Low tires are always a sign of drunk drivers.

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* AaronSw plays "Let The Sunshine In" in honor of WL

17:19:03 [AaronSw]

From the new SWOL draft:

17:19:04 [AaronSw]

[[[

17:19:05 [AaronSw]

2/ The syntax of SWOL is expressed in terms of the XQuery 1.0 and XPath 2.0

17:19:05 [AaronSw]

Data Model (henceforth Data Model).

17:19:07 [AaronSw]

]]]

17:19:17 [AaronSw]

New syntax? This sounds bad.

17:19:24 [AaronSw]

"The basic idea behind the syntactic changes is to take advantage of XQuery

17:19:24 [AaronSw]

processing."

17:25:10 [sbp]

* sbp plays "On The Sunny Side Of The Street"

17:25:31 [sbp]

new syntax? yeah, you're right

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17:47:02 [sbp]

log:uri is an odd property. { ?x = ?y . ?x ?p ?q } log:implies { ?y ?p ?q } .

17:47:29 [sbp]

<http://example.org/">http://example.org/> log:uri "http://example.org/"; = <http://blargh.org/> .

17:47:42 [sbp]

<http://blargh.org/> log:uri "http://example.org/" .

17:48:17 [AaronSw]

it's that node / resource / uri thing again

17:48:22 [sbp]

yeah

17:48:37 [sbp]

log:uri rdfs:domain :Node .

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18:46:58 [kenm]

is SWQL the follow-on to RDFQuery? RDFQuery being the XQuery mapped into RDF logical model?

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18:51:58 [kenm]

is SWQL the follow-on to RDFQuery? RDFQuery being the XQuery mapped into RDF logical model?

18:55:03 [AaronSw]

I've not heard of SWQL.

18:55:07 [AaronSw]

Are you thinking of SWOL

18:55:10 [AaronSw]

O not Q

18:55:54 [AaronSw]

O for Ontology

18:56:16 [kenm]

ah

18:56:20 [sbp]

.google SWQL

18:56:21 [xena]

SWQL: http://www.oardc.ohio-state.edu/swql/res2002.htm

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20:06:51 [rillian]

come go, come go. so much for the famed, robust internet

20:07:08 [sbp]

famed? What kinda world do you live in? :-)

20:07:45 [sbp]

Poor ol' Gabe's on attbi...

20:09:04 [AaronSw]

sniff, sniff, sniff... they...

20:09:08 [AaronSw]

they stole my second monitor!

20:09:36 [AaronSw]

this is definitely a robust enough connection to do heart surgery over!

20:09:41 [sbp]

Oh, hi Aaron "One Monitor" Swartz

20:09:51 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw bursts into tears

20:09:58 [sbp]

:-)

20:12:10 [hazmat]

@http://www.goose-works.org/

20:12:21 [hazmat]

@ http://www.goose-works.org/

20:12:28 [chumpster]

F: http://www.goose-works.org/ from hazmat

20:12:52 [hazmat]

F: topic map engine with python api

20:13:09 [rillian]

* rillian comforts AaronSw

20:13:31 [AaronSw]

hazmat, s/F:/F::/

20:13:38 [AaronSw]

thanks [sniff] rillian

20:13:41 [rillian]

perhaps it's a consolation that I have the sexiest laptop on the planet...and it doesn't have enought video ram to drive a second monitor

20:13:48 [hazmat]

thanks aaron

20:13:50 [hazmat]

F:: topic map engine with python api

20:13:51 [chumpster]

commented item F

20:13:56 [AaronSw]

what laptop is that?

20:14:08 [rillian]

same one you have, I think

20:14:09 [rillian]

tibook

20:14:16 [AaronSw]

it doesn't have enough video ram?

20:14:20 [rillian]

nope

20:14:24 [AaronSw]

aww

20:14:26 [GabeW]

I'm going to look at rcn

20:14:31 [rillian]

the october rev is better with 16

20:14:38 [rillian]

the original only had 8

20:14:51 [rillian]

so the monitor port is only useful for mirroring

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20:15:04 [AaronSw]

ouch

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20:18:46 [rillian]

sbp: a different world from most other people, I'm told :)

20:19:11 [sbp]

:-)

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sbp has changed the topic to: Normal Service Will Resume Shortly

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20:38:50 [sbp]

Alright, perhaps it won't. Who's to tell?

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* sbp plays "Most High" - single import version

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"And David's seed talks through his paper crown..."

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tease!

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21:25:05 [rillian]

.f2c 52

21:25:06 [xena]

52.0°F = 11.1111111111°C

21:25:32 [sbp]

I can do that in N3

21:28:12 [rillian]

what, convert?

21:28:18 [sbp]

yep

21:28:25 [rillian]

represent rational numbers?

21:29:08 [rillian]

live in a world where the internet is famed and robust?

21:31:06 [rillian]

* rillian hugs chumpster

21:31:51 [rillian]

chumpster: flirtation?

21:31:51 [chumpster]

Not understood: flirtation?

21:33:14 [rillian]

sbp: what *else* can you do in N3?

21:33:32 [sbp]

er... represent stuff, generally

21:34:49 [sbp]

ah, my server's back up. Many of my hackings are linked from http://infomesh.net/2001/05/sw/

21:55:00 [rillian]

woah. ups truck has two people in it

21:55:15 [rillian]

one to drive, one to run the packages up the walk

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hello is there anybody here? hello? No, thought not

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.seen xena

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.seen xena

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.seen xena

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.seen xena

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.seen xena

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.seen xena

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.seen xena

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.seen xena

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.commands

22:55:34 [xena]

valid commands:

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- +mask, -mask, access, acronym, act, babel, beats, billennium, c2f, change

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- commands, ctcp, date, dict, die, dns, dtrt, e, email, excuse

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- f2c, flight, foldoc, fortune, google, help, imdb, intelliquote, isotime, jargon

22:55:38 [xena]

- join, login, masks, modules, msg, news, news on, news source, nick, nickometer

22:55:39 [xena]

- part, pig latin, plexname, poker, quit, quote, raw, register, rfc, rfc2

22:55:40 [xena]

- rot13, search, seen, server, servers, spell, status, symbol for, time, translate

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- unixtime, users, weather, weather2, webster, when did, whois, wn, zope commands

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.seen xena

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.seen xena

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.seen xena

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.seen xena

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.seen xena

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.seen xena

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.rfc 1

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http://rfc.net/rfc1.html : Host Software

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.rfc 2

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http://rfc.net/rfc2.html : Host software

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.rfc 3

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http://rfc.net/rfc3.html : Documentation conventions

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Well, whaddya know

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.server

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@ http://hem.passagen.se/mansb/at/tengscribe.htm

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usage: server <server-address>[:<port>] [<port>]

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- instructs xena to attempt to make a connection to server-address

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- if either of the optional port parameters are specified, xena will attempt to use that port number

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- the port number defaults to 6667

22:56:53 [chumpster]

G: http://hem.passagen.se/mansb/at/tengscribe.htm from rillian

22:57:07 [rillian]

G|tengwar editor

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G|now with esperanto modes!

22:57:19 [sbp]

ooh, neat

22:57:30 [rillian]

G:|tengwar editor

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titled item G

22:57:37 [rillian]

G:|now with esperanto modes!

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titled item G

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G::now with esperanto modes!

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commented item G

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G:|Tengwar editor

22:57:44 [rillian]

G:|tengwar editor

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titled item G

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titled item G

22:57:48 [sbp]

heh, heh

22:57:49 [rillian]

heh

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:-)

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G::Good stuff - has a Quenya mode

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commented item G

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G::(of course, but you know what I mean)

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commented item G

23:09:46 [sbp]

@ http://makeashorterlink.com/

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H: http://makeashorterlink.com/ from sbp

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H:|Make-A-Shorter-Link

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titled item H

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H::By the PANTS collective, which I tend to equate with Edd

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commented item H

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H::"""This web site provides a simple service - when you find a page on the web whose address is too long to paste into an email or other document, you can use our free service to generate a shorter, simpler address.""" - http://makeashorterlink.com/about.php

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commented item H

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H::i.e., a PURL-a-like, except that: """How long are the shorter links going to last? [...] We hesitate to say "forever", because that's a very long time indeed. But the links will remain usable for a long time.""" - ibid.

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commented item H

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@ http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/asia-pacific/newsid_555000/555728.stm

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I: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/asia-pacific/newsid_555000/555728.stm from sbp

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I:|Taiwan bride is a real doll

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titled item I

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H::"The code was written by Matthew Hunt"

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I::"""Chang Hsi-hsum, 46, married the 28cm (11 inch) plastic doll during an elaborate ceremony at his local Buddhist temple."""

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commented item I

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I::also: "If Humpty Dumpty married Englebert Humperdink, he would be Humpty Humperdink" - [http://www.geocities.com/paris/1871/marriage.html|http://www.geocities.com/paris/1871/marriage.html]

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commented item I

23:32:47 [sbp]

I wonder if the Weblog always clears itself out at midnight? It'd be better if it preserved yesterday's news until at least one thing is chumped

23:35:04 [sbp]

.py print string.replace('314901350123aefj89qw3ut83q', '\d', '1')

23:35:05 [xena]

314901350123aefj89qw3ut83q

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.py print string.replace('314901350123aefj89qw3ut83q', '\D', '1')

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314901350123aefj89qw3ut83q

23:35:32 [deltab]

sbp: that only works in regexes

23:36:44 [sbp]

yeah... just figured that :-)