00:04:42 [Global Notice] Hi all. The new code appears stable. We'll let you know if we see any problems. Thanks again for your patience. 01:19:31 @ http://catalogs.google.com/ 01:19:35 A: Google Catalog Search from AaronSw 01:20:03 how'd you find that? 01:20:07 just a sec... 01:20:23 A::Will Google ever stop? Coming next week: [stalker.google.com|http://stalker.google.com/], [warez.google.com|http://warez.google.com/]. 01:20:23 commented item A 01:20:57 A::via [Dave|http://scriptingnews.userland.com/backissues/2001/12/15#l5e80bdd46f5056601df78f775f417432], [Lawrence|http://radio.weblogs.com/0001013/2001/12/15.html], [JD|http://jd.manilasites.com/2001/12/14#Google] 01:20:58 commented item A 01:21:41 A::Lawrence: "And the very cool part is that the catalog includes what Google does best: search. [...] get this, all the words are highlighted on the image. That's some mighty fine optical character recognition." 01:21:42 commented item A 01:23:02 A::Sergey Brin (Google Co-founder) [comments|http://www.guardian.co.uk/online/story/0,3605,401419,00.html]: "In the future, Google will be your interface to all the world's knowledge - not just web pages." 01:23:02 commented item A 01:24:14 A::Their optical character recognition is quite impressive. It even finds [words in logos|http://catalogs.google.com/catalogs?q=klutz]. 01:24:15 commented item A 01:27:28 @ http://www.google.com/news/newsheadlines.html 01:27:32 B: Google News Headlines from AaronSw 01:27:51 B::I wonder if this is RSS-powered. 01:27:52 commented item B 01:31:25 A::It'd be really cool if Google started doing price comparisions... 01:31:25 commented item A 01:48:35 Google Zeitgeist makes for great trivia questions... 01:48:45 deltab, quick, what's the most popular day of the week for Googling? 01:50:42 * AaronSw is wearing his "I'm Feeling Lucky!" shirt, BTW. 02:07:03 sbp (~sean@m92-mp1-cvx3b.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack 02:07:29 TSRTS was kick-ass! I'm still jamming now... 02:10:23 sbp has quit (Client Quit) 02:12:29 sbp (~sean@m100-mp1-cvx3b.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack 02:15:11 * sbp waves; anyone here? 02:27:23 hey, Zeitgeist now has better alt text 02:29:03 @ http://www.worldwidewords.org/articles/exceedance.htm 02:29:10 C: http://www.worldwidewords.org/articles/exceedance.htm from sbp 02:29:13 C:|An Exceedance of Impactful Ignorals 02:29:13 titled item C 02:29:44 C::"""For the first time in history, large numbers of people, of widely varying educational standards, are able to make the results of their writing available to anyone who cares to enquire.""" 02:29:45 commented item C 02:30:53 C::Discusses how phenomic words are invented, and spread through the Internet 02:30:54 commented item C 02:30:59 woot! I got an iPod! 02:31:03 better alt text - good 02:31:11 heh, lucky you! 02:31:34 It's so small. 02:32:33 I'm really surprised they actually bought one. 02:32:45 "they"? 02:32:53 The parents. 02:32:58 ah, them 02:35:58 where have the "others" gone? hazmat, tav, and so on? 02:36:24 must have been lost in the splits 02:36:52 ugh, i keep getting privmsgs from ms comic chat users 02:37:09 heh, heh, heh 02:37:14 why's that? 02:37:19 i dunno 02:37:39 ok, need to reboot 02:37:46 perhaps you did something to enrage MS, and they put a bit of code in to automatically pmsg you 02:37:49 O.K., c'ya 02:37:51 heh heh heh 02:37:58 "wanna chat" 02:39:18 bbbiab 02:39:32 * AaronSw disconnects 02:41:58 em-lap (~em@dhcp065-024-049-132.columbus.rr.com) has joined #swhack 02:47:43 * sbp waves to em 02:49:08 * em-lap returns waves to sbp... hopes all is well 02:49:41 * em-lap waits while downloading email... shudders 02:50:31 sbp, i really like you rdfprimer into btw. 02:50:48 s/into/intro 02:50:52 thanks 02:51:04 I should write a little more... 02:51:11 I've been working a bit on EARL, though 02:51:35 * em-lap appreciates efforts on both fronts :) 02:52:02 heh, heh 02:53:13 whats the current status of EARL implementation? seems Annotea could be an easy installation of EARL 02:54:23 well, we've looked into the EARL/Annotea overlap quite often, and there has been some exchange between the groups... but not much work has come from those discussions. In general, the models are similar, but the goals differ immensely 02:54:57 Annotea can be used to store EARL, and is quite good as a means of linking reports to resources. But apart from that, they're fairly independent, concept-wise 02:55:35 EARL implementations are detailed on http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/ - there aren't a great deal yet, but some of Jim and Nick's stuff is really promising. I really like the EARL client 02:58:00 thanks for the pointers... it seems to me that the annotea work is very similar to EARL; perhaps more review will help explain this to me... i think i'm viewing this more from the previos (early) participation in ICADD... third part reviews of content 03:00:30 I found it fun that today I started generating the documentation for EARL 1.0 directly from the RDF Schema, using the new "strings" function in CWM 03:05:56 :) 03:06:36 * em-lap wonders if i'm not seeing where sbp is sharing this information.. or if this is all local to sbp machines 03:07:47 * em-lap thinks sbp seems to do all of his most interesting work around 3:00 am local time :) 03:11:17 .time 03:11:17 2001/12/16 03:12:51.1797 Universal 03:11:31 yep, you appear to be correct :-) 03:11:55 er... the information is online - the spec. is at http://infomesh.net/2001/earl1.0/1.0spec.html 03:12:16 and the thing that I used to generate the documentation is at http://infomesh.net/2001/earl1.0/getdoc.n3 03:13:22 * sbp is still buzzing from TSRTS - what a film (if you're a Zep fan) 03:14:00 ohh... tell more 03:14:06 * AaronSw reconnects 03:14:41 TSRTS - The Song Remains The Same. A film about Led Zeppelin, with tons of live footage of them playing in Madison Square garden, 1976-ish 03:15:19 They rarely show it on T.V., and strangely enough, I was just talking about it today with my Mum... she was flicking through the T.V. listings, and there it was! We couldn't believe it 03:15:32 Sorry, they said "(#G010E010M2TAaronSw) u want chat" 03:15:44 lol @ "u want chat" 03:16:23 err... this has been our for quite some time, no? :) (and yes, i'm consitantly amazed over and over) 03:16:38 it was nice being able to pretty-well match Page when he played The Rain Song 03:16:47 has been our what? 03:17:56 * em-lap confused by sbp's reference to matching Page... 03:18:01 do you play? 03:18:08 yes, I do. Of course :-) 03:18:26 Was that you playing on the phone other day? 03:18:30 On the telecon 03:18:35 * em-lap adds this to the reasons to visit :) 03:18:43 heh 03:18:44 yes. I was playing TSRTS (the song), in fact! 03:18:52 Wow, he plays quite well too! 03:18:56 I couldn't match SIBLY, though. Some of that scared the crap out of me 03:18:58 tansaku (~sam@h131-171.tokyu-net.catv.ne.jp) has joined #swhack 03:21:03 heck sbp... TSRTS scares the crap out of me and this in nothing in comparison to SIBLY :) 03:21:21 * em-lap notes that he (personally) stinks in comparison 03:21:50 fellow Zep fan, then, em? Anyone who recognizes the acronym SIBLY for what it is gets my vote :-) 03:22:18 err... honestly, i'm a bit surpised by the reference :) 03:22:42 .acronym sibly 03:22:43 sibly: 03:22:47 hmmph 03:23:21 I note that Page played TSRTS in modal tuning (I would say G, but the stage performances were always higher - I had the capo on the third when I was playing along, but I don't know how out of tune my guitar was in the first place). So I've gotta re-learn TSRTS in modal tuning now :-) 03:23:40 damN! 03:23:55 * em-lap increasingly impressed with sbp's diversity :) 03:24:11 Heh. 03:24:16 * AaronSw feels outdated 03:24:42 I could play more things in alternate tunings when I was just getting started than I could in normal Spanish Tuning :-) Learning Bron-Yr-Aur was wonderful (although difficult) 03:24:44 don't worry AaronSw... em is feeling dated :) 03:25:09 * AaronSw wonders why his iPod isn't mounting... grr 03:25:23 .google SIBLY Zeppelin 03:25:24 SIBLY Zeppelin: http://hedgerow.net/faq.htm 03:26:09 :) 03:26:15 * em-lap thanks sbp and xena 03:26:38 good ol' xena, where would we be without her? 03:26:50 * em-lap jealous re AaronSw's iPod 03:27:00 * AaronSw is quite surprised to have one! 03:27:16 * em-lap has hardware envy 03:28:27 * em-lap sighs at the silly dublincore email that he find in his inbox.... arrggg 03:28:48 iPod - does it have as much stoage space as we had feared? 03:29:06 How much is that? 03:29:07 yeah, some of the recent DCMI stuff has been great 03:29:37 5GB? 03:29:42 * em-lap thinks sbp:great != em:great 03:29:43 yep, sure does 03:30:27 * AaronSw thinks sbp was using sarcasm 03:30:33 * em-lap thinks his nomad II seems inadequate :) 03:30:38 sbp:great [ swn:converse daml:equivalentTo ] em:great . 03:30:41 :) 03:30:56 great: as in "hillarious" great 03:31:01 yep 03:31:04 sigh.. 03:31:51 * sbp has been writing something about SW links... but not going so well. Welcomes reviews: http://infomesh.net/notes/swlinks/ 03:32:14 concensus is a good thing... in general... but design by concensus is dangerous 03:32:29 I should cover check.n3, but I can't get the damn thing to work... aaargh! llyn.URIError, or something 03:32:51 yeah, very much agreed. It's usually best to have a core devoted design group 03:33:45 yup 03:36:30 * em-lap is reminded this irc is logged, and chooses to delete is dc blast 03:36:51 but it felt good to type it :) 03:37:11 * em-lap tempted to blast with # 03:38:00 * AaronSw curses iPod some more 03:38:18 curses? 03:38:24 what happened? 03:38:51 it works fine with the OS 9 machine, but it seems to be ignored by my mac os x laptop 03:41:21 sbp has changed the topic to: If it goes Aaron's way, it's here to stay 03:51:03 * AaronSw plays some more breakout on his iPod 03:51:09 .webster temazepam 03:51:17 .wn temazepam 03:51:36 silly xena 03:51:43 "A benzodiazepine derivative that is primarily used to treat insomnia." 03:52:21 * AaronSw grabs his things to do in londlon list 03:52:32 1) Stop calling it londlon 03:52:39 Heh. 03:52:58 - Cabaret Mechanical 03:52:58 - Calaba 03:52:58 - sean 03:52:58 - ILRT 03:52:58 - tav 03:53:13 Pff... I'm third on the list? 03:53:20 it's not in order 03:53:24 aha 03:53:32 you're obviously number 1 03:54:02 * AaronSw mails Ian Davis 03:54:12 Hooray, #1! 03:55:38 .google "Ian Davis" 03:55:39 "Ian Davis": http://www.iandavis.tv 03:56:39 if that's the guy, tell him that his splash page ranks 8/10 on the suck-o-meter 03:56:49 "click on the T.V." indeed... 03:56:58 Heh heh heh/ 03:57:02 I don't believe it is. 03:57:05 .google ian davis rdf 03:57:06 ian davis rdf: /url?sa=U&start=1&q=http://internetalchemy.org/&e=747 03:57:12 that's him 03:57:20 founder of calaba too, as i recall 03:57:28 what's up with xena and those search results? 03:57:34 It's Google 03:57:37 (other guy appears to be a cool artist, though) 03:57:52 Google's trying to guage how often people click on links and when. 04:01:15 * AaronSw disconnects 04:02:27 * AaronSw reconnects 04:03:17 grrr... 04:11:55 sbp has quit (Killed (NickServ (Ghost: SeanP!~sean@m734-mp1-cvx4c.pop.ntl.com))) 04:12:08 sbp (~sean@m734-mp1-cvx4c.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack 04:12:34 Grpgrpgrmgph @ sporadic disconnections 04:14:10 em-lap has quit () 04:14:36 * AaronSw find iPod help on apple's boards 04:26:11 it's quite a scary little thing, really. 5GB, and only the size of a deck of playing cards? Hmm... 04:27:31 Heh. 04:38:21 It seems to make a nice hard drive. 04:43:51 can it send email? 04:44:06 Heh 04:44:12 Not with the builtin software. 04:44:32 Pff - it's worthless, then :-) 04:45:32 I want a little handheld deeley that can send and recieve email, and has a little IRC client. That'd be cool 04:45:48 and it should also be weightless 04:46:26 Heh. 04:46:34 Palms do that except for the weightless bit... 04:46:50 ah, worthless, then 04:47:23 Literally weightless? 04:47:51 yeah; of, or having, no weight. No percieved effect of gravity upon the mass 04:48:10 weightless 04:48:24 I think it might take a while to get that. 04:48:44 couple of years? 04:49:38 I'd also like an electronic flying hamster, that can kinda follow you around, open locked doors, and is valid as currency in Uganda. If it could come in a choice of colors, that is 04:50:13 get building, Aaron 04:52:31 messages to www-archive seem to be growing exponentially, according to http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/ 04:54:03 wmf (wesf@cs242724-5.austin.rr.com) has joined #swhack 04:54:08 Wes! 04:54:12 Hi there 04:54:15 sbp! 04:54:22 how goes it, folks? 04:54:37 (catchy topic, BTW) 04:54:39 alrighty, how're you? 04:54:42 it goes quite well, thanks for asking. Aaron got an iPod, I watched TSRTS 04:55:09 I've been driving around a lot 04:55:11 in the rain 04:55:25 yeah, the topic refers to Aaron's Big-Brother-esque leanings 04:55:32 driving in the rain is great 04:55:56 in fact, probably worse than BB. Did BB log everything? I'll bet not 04:57:00 no, logging everything would be a liability 04:57:16 yeah. Not very goodthinkful 04:57:51 yeah, AaronSw only logs the stuff that incriminates other people 04:58:00 Heh heh. 04:58:03 :-) 04:58:15 My iPod doesn't like my TiBook. I'm rather upset about it. 04:58:24 maybe we should start calling him DonSw 04:58:30 Don? 04:58:42 but only if you can do an Italian accent 04:58:49 Ah. 04:58:50 ooh, poor baby. Your iPod and your TiBook are incompatable. Well, 'scuse me while I get a tissue 04:58:59 lol 04:59:11 my new car is fully compatible with me 04:59:37 make/model? 04:59:39 Pfft. It doesn't come home with you. 04:59:48 Acura RSX 05:00:02 .google Wes' new Acura RSX 05:00:02 Wes' new Acura RSX: http://www.motorway.com/home/articles/pocketrockets.asp 05:00:24 sbp: not only was I driving in the rain, but in a brand new car whose controls I had no clue how to operate 05:00:50 heh, even better fun. How many dents? 05:01:02 it was a great usability test 05:01:12 I figured everything out in no time 05:01:43 the measure of a good car is if the clutch is smooth even with wet soles 05:02:15 or if it has a "Ferrari" badge plonked on the front. That's a good sign, too 05:03:27 s/plonked/[Italian for "crafted carefully"]/ 05:06:59 .time 05:06:59 2001/12/16 05:08:32.8968 Universal 05:07:29 .beats 05:07:30 The time is @256 at the tone. 05:25:01 sbp has quit (Killed (NickServ (Ghost: SeanP!~sean@m783-mp1-cvx4c.pop.ntl.com))) 05:25:15 sbp (~sean@m783-mp1-cvx4c.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack 05:29:18 tav (tav@host217-34-83-190.in-addr.btopenworld.com) has joined #swhack 05:32:50 lol! 05:32:54 @ http://www.tolerance.org/101_tools/declaration.html 05:33:02 D: Tolerance.org: 101 Tools for Tolerance from sbp 05:33:31 D::"""I believe that America's diversity is its strength. [...] To help keep diversity a wellspring of strength and make America a better place for all""" 05:33:32 commented item D 05:34:36 D::O.K., so, let me get this straight... 05:34:38 commented item D 05:35:57 D::This site's one (commendable) goal is "tolarance for all cultures", and yet it has profoundly Americentric verbiage splattered on it. Can anyone say "hypocrisy"? 05:35:58 commented item D 05:36:46 D::The coolest bit is that at the very bottom of the page are the words "We Share A World". I share a laugh 05:36:47 commented item D 05:39:13 @ http://www.toad.com/gnu/verio-censorship.html 05:40:15 * AaronSw pokes chumpster 05:41:08 heh, heh 05:41:18 chumpster has quit (Ping timeout: 180 seconds) 05:41:18 chumpster:unfoo 05:41:23 Great. 05:42:08 it didn't like that, all that much 05:42:20 I suppose nto. 05:42:29 It needs a good dose of free speech every now and then, I think. 05:42:32 logster, hello 05:42:36 good 05:42:39 yeah, damn straight 05:42:45 chumpster (~chumpster@xcdfddb76.ip.ggn.net) has joined #swhack 05:42:58 Lisa: That's pretty spurious, dad 05:43:04 Homer: Why, thank you honey 05:43:13 heh, heh 05:43:17 Heh. 05:43:21 chump, chump, chump! 05:43:38 E::I support John in this 100%. 05:43:39 commented item E 05:44:29 E::On many an occasion I've been able to use his toad.com SMTP server when I couldn't find any others. It's been extremely useful in protecting the rights of free speech to myself and many others, not to mention a useful Internet service in general. 05:44:31 commented item E 05:45:39 E::Stomping out this sharing of resources simply makes no sense and I wish I could do more to stop the blackmailers and extortionists involved. 05:45:40 commented item E 05:45:58 wmf's car: http://wmf.editthispage.com/discuss/msgReader$6653 05:46:21 heh, cool 05:47:20 this has become quite the "Free Speech, now!" activists channel, has it not? 05:47:27 Has it? 05:47:34 has it not? 05:47:52 Well, it's powered by free speech, isn't it? 05:47:59 'tis a good thing, if so 05:48:43 Ah, but are you really *free*? Isn't free-will just an illusion? 05:48:55 let me repeat that, just to make it obvious... 05:49:01 I think I need something to eat before getting into that discussion. 05:49:15 Ah, but are you really *free*? Isn't free-will just an illusion? 05:49:23 wmf has left #swhack 05:49:33 Look what you did to poor wmf. 05:49:54 heh, heh, heh. He *obviously* can't take that much sarcasm 05:50:11 Bummer, looks like Cabaret Mechanical is closed. 05:50:19 could he *be* any less tolerant of my sarcastic ways? 05:50:21 They seem to have been kicked out of Covent Garden or something. 05:50:34 .google "Cabaret Mechanical" 05:50:34 "Cabaret Mechanical": http://www.cabaret.co.uk 05:50:35 kick sbp sarcasm 05:50:43 heh, heh 05:50:45 err /kick sbp sarcasm 05:51:35 [[[ 05:51:35 The exhibition is currently closed 05:51:35 for restoration. 05:51:41 ]]] - http://www.cabaret.co.uk/about1.htm 05:52:05 I emailed them and they said that they are "still in a state of restoration." 05:52:33 could it *be* any more closed? 05:52:38 that's a shame... 05:52:59 couldn't take the sarcasm, eh, wes? 05:52:59 I'm not up to a philosophical discussion 05:52:59 or even listening to one 05:53:04 but, there are plenty of other things to do in London. You could spend a day on the tubes 05:53:11 heh, heh 05:53:57 ooh, ooh, visit Abbey Road! 05:54:03 Well, of course! 05:54:16 aw, man, can I come? 05:54:23 I dunno, can you? 05:54:32 erm... 05:55:08 * sbp decides to bail out of this particular thread of conversation 05:56:12 the email conversation on http://cryptome.org/ is pretty funny. 05:57:26 that is pretty funny 06:00:24 @ http://www.little-gamers.com/comics/20011214.gif 06:01:50 F: http://www.little-gamers.com/comics/20011214.gif from AaronSw 06:02:06 F:|A Special Thank-you 06:02:08 titled item F 06:16:01 * sbp figures that he hasn't run a bot in ages, and lifts the bans on #sbp 06:18:29 * sbp notices the time, and decides to do that runny thing again 06:18:45 cool, that sounded risqu� 06:19:16 Heh. 06:19:32 thanks for lifting the ban 06:19:32 it's the Aaron problem - wanting to use words whose common meanings have slaughtered any change of using the more obscure meanings 06:19:50 See. 06:20:13 I think my Firewire port is broken. That's why the iPod won't mount. 06:20:40 well, I don't know what a Firewire port is, so I can't help ya there... 06:20:49 .google "Firewire port" fix iPod 06:20:50 "Firewire port" fix iPod: http://www.macfixit.com 06:21:05 but perhaps my friend Mr. Google... 06:21:22 It's a hardware thing. 06:21:28 Like a USB port, but really fast. 06:22:15 how much will a replacement/fix cost? 06:22:29 I dunno. I sort of doubt it's feasible. 06:22:51 It'll probably be really expensive, and will certainly require me sending my computer in, which will never ever happen. 06:23:05 :-) 06:23:13 Hmm... that's quite a big problem then 06:23:40 Yeah, it does suck. 06:23:46 so, sell your Ti to me for $10, and then put the money towards a brand new one 06:23:54 Heh heh heh. 06:24:01 I'll be sure to drop it off when I'm in town. 06:24:03 * sbp is serious! :-) 06:24:10 hooray! 06:24:41 Well, at least I didn't fry my iPod like some people... 06:24:50 names? 06:25:06 ouch; frying an iPod. A sausage would have been much cheaper 06:25:18 and probably more edible too 06:25:57 Heh. 06:26:12 Actually, I'm almost certain the port is broken now that I think about it. 06:26:35 That's really quite sucky. 06:29:38 i'm going to sleep before I get more depressed. 06:29:39 g'nite 06:29:42 * sbp waves to anyone readings the logs (possibly years from now) 06:29:44 c'ya 06:29:54 * AaronSw waves to above readers 06:29:57 'nite 06:30:07 oh dear, this is sad. Someone in a timezone six hours behind is going to bed before me 06:30:22 Not because I'm sleepy. 06:30:28 Only because I'm really upset. 06:30:34 I mean, sad on my part 06:30:45 and I hope you feel better tomorrow :-) 06:30:49 Heh. 06:31:01 I go to sleep at all hours. 06:31:17 9AM, 3PM, 3AM, etc. 06:31:23 heh, cool 06:31:53 anyway, 'night :-) 06:32:02 bye 06:34:53 sbp has quit (Ping timeout: 180 seconds) 07:26:49 GabeW (~gwachob@12-236-92-153.client.attbi.com) has joined #swhack 07:37:46 GabeW has quit ("Client Exiting") 10:01:03 GabeW (~gwachob@12-236-92-153.client.attbi.com) has joined #swhack 10:15:35 GabeW has quit ("Client Exiting") 12:23:38 :Brin users are the martyrs who have kindly allowed the rest of us to live in peace without irritating server bugs. 12:29:03