IRC log of swhack on 2001-12-13
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- 00:04:55 [Morbus]
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- 00:20:08 [AaronSw]
- @ http://www.earlham.edu/~peters/nomic.htm
- 00:20:14 [chumpster]
- A: Peter Suber, Nomic from AaronSw
- 00:20:27 [Morbus]
- A::Awesome game, and an AmphetaDesk user.
- 00:20:28 [chumpster]
- commented item A
- 00:20:34 [AaronSw]
- Really? That's pretty cool.
- 00:20:40 [AaronSw]
- A::We have to play this game sometime.
- 00:20:41 [chumpster]
- commented item A
- 00:20:46 [Morbus]
- A::Morbus actually tried to start a bulletin board game based on this once (link forthcoming).
- 00:20:48 [chumpster]
- commented item A
- 00:20:51 [Morbus]
- yeah, seriously. i was super suprised.
- 00:21:03 [Morbus]
- i had it in my bookmarks for a super long time, and then he just came outta the blue with ampheta suggsetions.
- 00:21:08 [AaronSw]
- deltab, sbp and us need to play sometime
- 00:21:09 [Morbus]
- i was like "hey! you're the Nomic guy!" <G>
- 00:21:20 [Morbus]
- yeah, i think we'd do a good one. better than this stupid message board one.
- 00:21:22 [Morbus]
- lemme find the lin,.
- 00:21:22 [AaronSw]
- Heh, he's done a lot of other cool stuff.
- 00:22:07 [Morbus]
- yaeh, he has.
- 00:22:43 [AaronSw]
- A::link via deltab in the [RDFIG chump|http://rdfig.xmlhack.com/].
- 00:22:43 [chumpster]
- commented item A
- 00:22:59 [AaronSw]
- k, gotta run
- 00:23:09 [Morbus]
- fine!
- 00:25:41 [Morbus]
- A::Ah, here's that [Message Board Nomic|http://www.scattergirl.com/ubb/Forum6/HTML/000047.html] that failed miserably.
- 00:25:43 [chumpster]
- commented item A
- 00:26:33 [sbp]
- * sbp sends a huge message to WAI ER; doesn't bother to check grammar or spelling. Nice and raw :-)
- 00:26:44 [sbp]
- aaaaah, email
- 00:27:43 [Morbus]
- hey sbpster.
- 00:27:47 [sbp]
- Hi there
- 00:27:55 [sbp]
- first rule of Nomic games: don't play them
- 00:28:00 [Morbus]
- have you played them?
- 00:28:09 [sbp]
- I repeat: first rule of Nomic games: don't play them
- 00:29:03 [Morbus]
- * Morbus is currently listening to 'The Kult Konnection' on My Life With The Thrill Kill Kult's album 'The Reincarnation of Luna'.
- 00:29:03 [Morbus]
- !itunes
- 00:30:15 [sbp]
- cool, it's huge: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-er-ig/2001Dec/0038
- 00:31:29 [Morbus]
- hey, sbpster, do you play games?
- 00:44:46 [sbp]
- yes, I do
- 00:45:15 [Morbus]
- i think i've finally found the game system to use for the web based game i want to build.
- 00:45:23 [Morbus]
- and it has a good underground following, so they'll be an instant audience.
- 00:46:15 [sbp]
- pointer?
- 00:46:44 [Morbus]
- fudgerpg.com
- 00:47:00 [Morbus]
- its a 96 page pdf file, of which we'd use about 30 pages of it. its designed to be messed up and tweaked.
- 00:47:09 [Morbus]
- want me to go nuts on why i think this is "it"?
- 00:48:30 [sbp]
- yes, please do
- 00:48:34 [Morbus]
- mmkay.
- 00:48:46 [Morbus]
- the game i had in mine is really just an open source combat system.
- 00:49:06 [Morbus]
- think mortal kombat and street fighter a zillion fold, with moves, characters, arena's, and so forth creatable and addable by anyone.
- 00:49:25 [Morbus]
- there'd also be an interesting little twist to get other people involved, but i'll talk about tht privately.
- 00:49:37 [Morbus]
- anyways, why this fudge thing works is because its really pluginable.,
- 00:49:48 [Morbus]
- there's no races or classes, but rather gifts, faults, skills, and so on.
- 00:50:09 [Morbus]
- you create a character by taking these little individual features and adding them to your templaet.
- 00:50:29 [Morbus]
- of course, we'd have character templates, that would be sample choices, based on the common fighter, mage, theif sort of ideals,.
- 00:50:37 [Morbus]
- the other thing that's neat is there's no real leveling.
- 00:50:52 [Morbus]
- rather, your skills, gifts, and faults are rated on a seven word scale, from terrible to superb.
- 00:51:24 [Morbus]
- so, (and here's where we get into our own rules), when players earn experience, they can buy into their existing skills to try to raise their rating to the next level (each level 1.5 times more expensive than the last).
- 00:51:34 [Morbus]
- or they can buy new skills that always start out at middle-1.
- 00:51:52 [Morbus]
- most of the rest of the pdf deals with combat and role playing encounters.
- 00:52:11 [Morbus]
- rpencounters would be really ignored in this combat simulation game, and the combat would be overhauled to be more internety.
- 00:52:35 [Morbus]
- but because of this idea of skills, gifts, and faults, you can also create attacks, counter attacks, combo's, and defenses, all in the same pluginable sort of way.
- 00:52:41 [Morbus]
- allowing people to further customize their character.
- 00:52:48 [Morbus]
- ultimatley, the idea of this is that its a joke.
- 00:52:56 [Morbus]
- a 1st level smurf should be able to beat a 1st level godzilla.
- 00:53:13 [Morbus]
- in the old rule system i designed, with a sample combat app coded, this worked exactly as intended.
- 00:53:21 [sbp]
- Ooh, this sounds... well... it sounds... oh, just read it: "In a Bunnies game, where the player characters are rabbits, [...]" - http://fudgerpg.com/fudge/FudgeNutshell.pdf
- 00:53:24 [Morbus]
- i've yet to start actually coding a fudge/gift sort of thing.
- 00:53:28 [Morbus]
- right exactly!
- 00:53:40 [Morbus]
- as a rough example, a rabbut would be plaable in this game.
- 00:53:49 [Morbus]
- which by the way, is called severe beating (.com of which i own).
- 00:53:57 [sbp]
- neat
- 00:54:11 [Morbus]
- so a rabbit, for instance, could win against godzilla, because of it's small size (so its harder to hit), plus perhaps it has the Gift of Burrow, where he can hide from godzilla.
- 00:54:28 [Morbus]
- and on higher levels, he could buy a Gift of Reproducible, so that Godzilla could keep killing the bitch, but he'd keep replicating.
- 00:54:39 [sbp]
- plus the gift of multiplications; can confuse Gozilla! Won't know which one to get
- 00:54:46 [Morbus]
- certain gifts would be race specific (like replicating would be only for rabbits, etc.)
- 00:54:47 [sbp]
- s/multiplications/multiplication/
- 00:54:57 [Morbus]
- exactly, which would make the rabbit even harder to hit.
- 00:55:10 [Morbus]
- the rabbit, being very dodgeful, would be easy as fuck to hit godzilla, cos he's huge
- 00:55:27 [Morbus]
- so the battle would be insanely long, but a rabbit could kill godzilla just out of sheer survival in dodge skills.
- 00:55:55 [Morbus]
- so, long story short,
- 00:56:10 [Morbus]
- i'm probably going to start writing a dev diary for gamegrene, about all my thoughts on this, and start hammering out the xml, and crap.
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- 00:58:26 [sbp]
- sorry, got disconnected...
- 00:58:29 [sbp]
- * sbp reads logs
- 00:58:38 [GabeW]
- uh, you didn't miss anything
- 00:58:51 [Morbus]
- am I boring you, GabeW?
- 00:58:52 [Morbus]
- ;)
- 00:59:12 [GabeW]
- no no
- 00:59:46 [GabeW]
- i just didn't think he missed anyhthing - but I guess if he was idle for 3 minutes, he'd been gone longer than just when the disconnect notice came up
- 01:00:15 [sbp]
- yep... I think I missed a single line
- 01:00:32 [GabeW]
- Morbus: you never bore me
- 01:00:53 [Morbus]
- oh? jeez, i'm honored, i think ;)
- 01:06:47 [GabeW]
- I didn't mean to puff you up that much
- 01:06:52 [GabeW]
- * GabeW is thinking of a mild insult
- 01:07:01 [Morbus]
- oreilly and apple already did that - don't worry ;)
- 01:07:19 [GabeW]
- in that case, I need to think of a bigger insult ;-)
- 01:07:44 [GabeW]
- * GabeW really appreciates the Reggae channel on ATT Digital Cable ..
- 01:07:48 [sbp]
- just say "Morbus, you suck", and be done with it
- 01:07:59 [Morbus]
- no!
- 01:08:02 [Morbus]
- i'm too frail for that!
- 01:08:07 [sbp]
- Hmm...
- 01:08:12 [GabeW]
- GabeW has changed the topic to: Deflate Morbus' ego here
- 01:08:19 [sbp]
- How about: "Morbus, you suck a little bit"
- 01:08:33 [GabeW]
- GabeW has changed the topic to: Morbus sucks somewhat
- 01:09:23 [Morbus]
- i'm cracking!
- 01:09:23 [Morbus]
- ooh. mt 1.3 is out!
- 01:09:23 [Morbus]
- great, something else to do!
- 01:09:39 [sbp]
- ah, "somewhat": delectable
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- 01:30:09 [wendyout]
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- wendyout is now known as wendy
- 01:31:12 [wendy]
- sbp - i've been unable to connect to irc.w3.org - know if others are having problems?
- 01:31:22 [wendy]
- i got your comments on my slides from nick's log. thanks!
- 01:31:28 [wendy]
- slides are still pretty rough.
- 01:32:17 [sbp]
- * sbp waves to wendy neé wendyout
- 01:32:24 [sbp]
- no problem
- 01:32:35 [sbp]
- As for irc.w3.org, there does seem to be a problem :-)
- 01:32:39 [sbp]
- same with dev.w3.org
- 01:33:03 [sbp]
- the main site is alright, though
- 01:33:14 [wendy]
- although, i can't save updated slides to it. argh.
- 01:33:30 [AaronSw]
- hmm
- 01:36:15 [sbp]
- Did you get my humungoid rant to w3c-wai-er-ig yet?
- 01:36:26 [AaronSw]
- who?
- 01:36:31 [sbp]
- not you
- 01:37:03 [sbp]
- although you're free to answer :-)
- 01:37:26 [wendy]
- i saw it, but I haven't read it yet.
- 01:37:42 [wendy]
- Although, from a brief skim it seems you've solved all the issues i'm about to raise in my talk tomorrow. :)
- 01:37:53 [sbp]
- heh, heh, heh; hope so
- 01:38:22 [sbp]
- you can just bluff them
- 01:38:39 [sbp]
- who is this talk to, anyway? What's it a part of/about?
- 01:38:54 [wendy]
- the w3c team.
- 01:38:57 [wendy]
- it a project review.
- 01:39:11 [sbp]
- cool
- 01:39:18 [wendy]
- yes, it should be.
- 01:39:26 [sbp]
- :-)
- 01:39:30 [wendy]
- I hope so anyway.
- 01:39:37 [sbp]
- you sound nervous
- 01:39:49 [wendy]
- I am. I'm still learning so much of this stuff.
- 01:39:58 [wendy]
- But, making me teach others about it, is good.
- 01:40:07 [wendy]
- It definitely raises awareness amongst the team, which is good.
- 01:40:17 [sbp]
- yes, that is certainly a good factor...
- 01:50:06 [Morbus]
- bah. my tummy hurts.
- 02:01:00 [wendy]
- sbp - how is your EARL python API progressing?
- 02:05:31 [AaronSw]
- whopee! My cool Google swag came.
- 02:05:35 [AaronSw]
- mucho thanks to jill
- 02:06:23 [AaronSw]
- and i got a TiBook tote and tilt
- 02:06:59 [AaronSw]
- ok, gonna install it now.. bbiab
- 02:13:36 [sbp]
- EARL Python API - 'twould be nice to think of some techniques for making querying EARL faster, thinking about DanBri's node querything stuff. Optimization isn't particularly important though, and any decent RDF API will do what we need
- 02:14:07 [AaronSw]
- *cough* RDFAPI
- 02:18:53 [sbp]
- Got a touch of the Alzofratz there, Aaron?
- 02:18:57 [em]
- sbp, have you looked into redfoot much?
- 02:19:17 [em]
- * em returns from meetings lasting far too long
- 02:19:19 [AaronSw]
- em speaks! you're not allowed to speak until you register that telecon, mister
- 02:19:34 [em]
- * em goes back to email
- 02:19:42 [AaronSw]
- ;-)
- 02:22:28 [em]
- * em waits for web for relavant stats .... hums to himself an odd tune
- 02:23:50 [Morbus]
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- 02:24:24 [sbp]
- Redfoot: no, I must sadly admit that I haven't... too engrossed in CWM and PlexRDF :-)
- 02:25:24 [AaronSw]
- I think we definitely should combine Sparta and PlexRDF
- 02:29:03 [em]
- arrrg.... somethign seems a bit odd with w3c.org machines at the moment
- 02:29:13 [AaronSw]
- yes, we were noticing that earlier
- 02:29:43 [em]
- AaronSw, sbp... can you do me a favor and relay a message to FrankM?
- 02:29:52 [AaronSw]
- yep
- 02:29:56 [em]
- RDF Primer teleconference logistics
- 02:30:02 [em]
- Zakim Conference bridge
- 02:31:00 [em]
- 617.761.6200 passcode 7337 for 2001-12-13, 12:00 - 1:00 pm EST for RDF Primer discussion
- 02:31:23 [em]
- agenda to follow
- 02:31:48 [em]
- (insert appropriate cursing and appologies for network failure here)
- 02:31:54 [sbp]
- How many people expected?
- 02:32:10 [em]
- AaronSw, sbp, FrankM and me
- 02:32:10 [sbp]
- er... and will I be dialled on? :-)
- 02:32:23 [AaronSw]
- sent
- 02:32:24 [em]
- if you would like, i'll conference you in
- 02:32:27 [em]
- thanks AaronSw
- 02:32:28 [sbp]
- ah, O.K.
- 02:33:27 [em]
- err... ok to talk a bit about RDF primer here? not sure if this is crashing on channel or not...
- 02:33:42 [AaronSw]
- nope, jsut fine
- 02:33:43 [AaronSw]
- err just
- 02:33:48 [AaronSw]
- but you're being logged to web
- 02:33:49 [sbp]
- this channel has one rule: nothing is off-topic :-)
- 02:33:58 [em]
- * em appologies for leaving bits o' metadata everywhere
- 02:34:04 [sbp]
- yeah
- 02:34:18 [AaronSw]
- 'tis life
- 02:34:23 [AaronSw]
- the machines will have to cope
- 02:34:37 [em]
- nothing off topic :) ok... remind me to debate the fine points of space-time modelling perspective/philosophy sometime
- 02:34:43 [em]
- but until then....
- 02:34:47 [em]
- rdf primer
- 02:35:06 [em]
- sbp, i like you suggestion re spliting these up into seperate pieces
- 02:35:09 [sbp]
- * sbp was (still is) into Astrophysics; do yer worst
- 02:35:20 [AaronSw]
- * AaronSw wonders if he should start selling HTTPAds on the swhack weblog
- 02:35:57 [em]
- * em perspective is in cs/geography/anthopology interactions.... interesting to compare notes sometime
- 02:36:31 [sbp]
- Yes, m12n of the primer is something that seems to be natural to me. It's obvious that you can't modularize as much as would be optimal, but I still think modularizing as much as possible would be beneficial
- 02:36:32 [em]
- lack of resources keeping us from doing this..
- 02:36:43 [sbp]
- and laziness
- 02:37:07 [em]
- not sure if this will be addressed with you and frank (and in some part AaronSw.. not sure how much i can get him to commit)
- 02:37:34 [em]
- laziness... perhaps i'm guilty of this as well... other fires have come up, and I have to pick my battles
- 02:37:54 [em]
- point is, i'm very much welcoming help here as i'm a bit alone on this.
- 02:37:56 [sbp]
- well, when I get the inspiration to write, then I write freely... it's just sitting down and thinking, ah, I must do that right now. There's always something for me to do, but whimsy usually wins over common sense
- 02:38:17 [sbp]
- Hmm... it's strange; how many people were on the initial call? Have they all dropped out?
- 02:38:27 [sbp]
- pick battles: very much so
- 02:38:34 [AaronSw]
- sbp, you need to learn directed procrastination
- 02:38:40 [em]
- 6 people on original call.. very fe have produced
- 02:38:51 [em]
- err... few
- 02:39:20 [em]
- deliverables were all over the map, i'd like to regroup and reassess
- 02:39:27 [sbp]
- procastrination is a part of agoraphobia, strangely enough. Another tidbit of metadata for y'all there...
- 02:39:48 [AaronSw]
- err structured procrastination
- 02:39:50 [em]
- * em notes this and tucks this into his 'process later' pile
- 02:40:00 [AaronSw]
- hmm, i thought it was a part of life
- 02:40:07 [sbp]
- My only action item was: light ontologies! Write, write, write... Whoopsy
- 02:40:20 [sbp]
- life: yeah, but it's much more advanced in agoraphobics
- 02:40:44 [em]
- light ontolgies... yes, less is more
- 02:40:46 [AaronSw]
- link: http://www-csli.stanford.edu/%7Ejohn/procrastination.html
- 02:41:45 [em]
- AaronSw, sbp... looking for suggestions for realisitc primer objectives... I still want to get the 'how do i create a schema in an afternoon' primer out the door
- 02:42:02 [sbp]
- ooh, I was just about to suggest something on that order
- 02:42:21 [sbp]
- Do you remember the person who took notes when they created their first schema?
- 02:42:23 [em]
- * em thinks structured procrastination is better than unstructured procrastination
- 02:42:37 [em]
- sbp, yes and no
- 02:42:41 [sbp]
- Also, DanC has some notes on his homepage... let me retrieve and spew them into the #swhack stream
- 02:43:01 [sbp]
- [[[
- 02:43:02 [sbp]
- RDF primer ideas:
- 02:43:02 [sbp]
- things versus their names
- 02:43:02 [sbp]
- hmm... should all naming properties descend from rdfs:label? how about dc:title, dc:identifier? log:uri?
- 02:43:02 [sbp]
- naming conventions: in addition to Class vs. property... what part of speech? isVersionOf versus version vs. hasVersion
- 02:43:02 [sbp]
- comments: use full sentences! don't say "the size of the object". say "for size(X, Y) read: the size of X is Y."
- 02:43:04 [em]
- i was there for RDF schema... not sure i'd recommend the process
- 02:43:07 [sbp]
- ]]] - http://www.w3.org/People/Connolly/
- 02:43:33 [AaronSw]
- Hmm.
- 02:43:40 [em]
- hmm.. not sure this helps
- 02:44:12 [em]
- was thinking more of something the dc usage board is grappling with... rules for describing 'words'
- 02:44:22 [sbp]
- the problem is that you (as SVL) are going to have to set out a realistic audience for the RDF Primer, IMO. You can't have it addressing everyone, you're ust going to have to say, "oh, well, this group and this other group", or it's going to be eclectic
- 02:44:32 [GabeW]
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- 02:44:40 [em]
- is this an 'isa' thing, or a 'hasa' thing... if 'isa' go to blah, if 'hasa' goto foo
- 02:45:12 [sbp]
- I'd personally like it to be more of an alms-basket of information. The Hints and Tips approach - except more like, "here are 700 hints and tips aranged into essaylets"
- 02:45:22 [sbp]
- s/aranged/arranged/
- 02:45:28 [AaronSw]
- One of the big problems em has I think is that the Primer prose is sorta going to be the spec.
- 02:45:34 [AaronSw]
- I mean, I'm not going to point anyone to the model theory.
- 02:45:50 [sbp]
- heh, heh, heh
- 02:45:51 [GabeW]
- are we talkign about n3?
- 02:46:00 [AaronSw]
- No, the RDF Primer.
- 02:46:05 [GabeW]
- oh
- 02:46:36 [AaronSw]
- I mean, I think the MT is great and Pat Hayes did an absolutely wonderful job.
- 02:46:53 [AaronSw]
- But it confuses folks who aren't from that background.
- 02:46:56 [em]
- no to eclectic... a primer's success is directly proportionate to the clarity of the intended audienc
- 02:46:58 [sbp]
- But when someone asks me about RDF, I still fill out a prescription for them - choosing the artciles that are most suited (AFAICT) to them. I don't think the RDF Primer is ever going to be something for which I can say, "here, this is your definitive guide". But I do want it to be on almost every list
- 02:47:02 [AaronSw]
- And most of the RDF target market isn't.
- 02:47:18 [AaronSw]
- good point, sbp
- 02:47:34 [sbp]
- eclectic: well, fair enough :-)
- 02:49:28 [sbp]
- But people want the tough questions answered. Should I use lists a la first/rest/first/reast, or daml:collection? How do I assert and reify? How is label different to title? Should I use terms from other people's namespaces, or import and rename? Hash or slash? Tips like "a name is not a person" are *very* valuable too
- 02:50:10 [em]
- my (personal) intented audience is the person that has heard a bit about RDF (wants to know more), and is interested in learning about how to create a schema and corresponding instance data in an afternoon... what are the rules, and recipes we can provide to allow people to create interoperable XML
- 02:50:17 [sbp]
- The whole thing about RDF is getting people to think about the models that they're creating. And very often, there isn't one right or wrong way about modelling stuff... but there are better and worse ways
- 02:50:18 [em]
- * em reads sbp point.
- 02:50:25 [sbp]
- * sbp reads em's point
- 02:51:23 [sbp]
- Heh, at the moment, I'd recommend reading the RDF Schema specification for that :-) It was funny, I'd skimmed it a couple of times and though "Hmm...", but when I read it, it was just simple stuff. Really simple
- 02:51:30 [AaronSw]
- * AaronSw reads both points
- 02:51:57 [sbp]
- The next weekend, I read the DAML specification, or rather, the walkthrough. The DAML walkthrough is really great, but you have to read about RDFS first
- 02:52:34 [AaronSw]
- RDFS is long simple stuff.
- 02:52:47 [sbp]
- And nothing can beat doing. But then, many people reading the primer will fit into either the "interested", or "looking at this for a specific goal" critera
- 02:53:01 [em]
- modelling stuff... tough in general... i think we should recognize this up front and acknowledge this. Then provide guidences on some of the stuff we know how to do... RDFS is very simple. We'd go a long way in RDF adoption sby simply explaining this.
- 02:53:29 [AaronSw]
- The other day I got an email from a fellow who wanted to add RDF to his categorized information on cropdusting. He had some questions which I think are good goals for the Primer.
- 02:53:35 [sbp]
- long: well, it is a bit verbose. All you need to tell people is "there are some things called properties, some things called classes, here are some examples". A huge problem is the serialization of the examples... graphs would be better
- 02:53:50 [AaronSw]
- namely: why should I do this? how do I do this? who can help me do this?
- 02:54:07 [sbp]
- yeah, there's never any point in overcomplicating things. Specification are great for doing that
- 02:54:30 [sbp]
- Sometimes, you just can't substitute community experience
- 02:54:36 [em]
- * em gets messages from cropdusters, pigfarmers, florists, etc... similar problems/patterns in almost all of these emails
- 02:55:05 [em]
- * em reads AaronSw's point and agrees
- 02:55:11 [sbp]
- * sbp sends messages to these kind of people, telling them that if they have a problem, RDF is the answer... :-)
- 02:55:38 [AaronSw]
- I'm clearly shorting the fellow quite a bit to make the point, but i think the primer should answer these questions with a minimum of hype
- 02:55:54 [em]
- em to sbp... can you help me solve world hunger? ... sbp to em... RDF is the answer!
- 02:56:03 [AaronSw]
- :-)
- 02:56:07 [em]
- * em thinks XML has already marketed this position
- 02:56:10 [AaronSw]
- sbp solved it with cwm one day
- 02:56:14 [AaronSw]
- he just fed everything into it
- 02:56:16 [sbp]
- yes, that's true
- 02:56:37 [AaronSw]
- xml solves world hunger but RDF provides the cute cartoon characters to go along with it.
- 02:57:02 [em]
- * em glad to see sbp's use of rdf icons on his pages :)
- 02:57:06 [sbp]
- sbp has quit (Killed (NickServ (Ghost: SeanP!~sean@m35-mp1-cvx4c.pop.ntl.com)))
- 02:57:15 [em]
- err... or maybe not
- 02:57:21 [sbp]
- sbp (~sean@m35-mp1-cvx4c.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack
- 02:57:31 [AaronSw]
- Why's that?
- 02:57:47 [sbp]
- * sbp catches up
- 02:57:59 [AaronSw]
- sbp, you know infomesh.net has been coming soon for several years now. ;-)
- 02:58:00 [em]
- * em trying to be cute wrt sbp leaving.. disregard
- 02:58:09 [AaronSw]
- heh
- 02:58:27 [sbp]
- logos: yeah, well, only on a couple of pages at the moment
- 02:58:41 [sbp]
- I should put http://infomesh.net/2001/05/sw/ into my .sig, really
- 02:58:44 [em]
- * em notes that w3c.org seems to be back up... quickly sends 60 messsages piled up
- 02:58:52 [sbp]
- coming coon: well, it's all relative :-)
- 02:58:53 [AaronSw]
- uh oh
- 02:59:14 [sbp]
- heh, so whilst em crashes his SMTP server...
- 02:59:25 [em]
- :)
- 02:59:32 [AaronSw]
- * AaronSw dodges email barrage
- 02:59:53 [sbp]
- oh, em, that reminds me: why is there no logo with "Semantic Web" on it?
- 03:00:27 [AaronSw]
- * AaronSw edits logo to read "RDF Procrastinator"
- 03:00:34 [sbp]
- heh, heh, heh
- 03:00:50 [em]
- people that were working on RDF logo are also thinking abuot this... Semantic Web is a bit more difficult to iconify
- 03:01:04 [em]
- * em would be happy with a description first!
- 03:01:06 [AaronSw]
- It's a big web with a semantic trapped in it
- 03:01:48 [AaronSw]
- The nice thing about the Semantic Web meme is that it makes it easy to explain my project to semwebbers
- 03:02:03 [AaronSw]
- Thanks to sbp, I now just say I'm developing the Semantic Internet.
- 03:02:15 [sbp]
- funny how most people who talk about the Semantic Web haven't got a clue about the higher principles. Bit annoying, sometimes
- 03:02:21 [em]
- yeah... its to the non-semwebber people i'm worried about :)
- 03:02:36 [sbp]
- Semantic Internet: heh, that *was* a good one, wasn't it? :-)
- 03:02:44 [AaronSw]
- It really was.
- 03:02:59 [AaronSw]
- I hope to use it at WWW10 devday
- 03:03:04 [AaronSw]
- which i'm signed up for, right em?
- 03:03:18 [GabeW]
- * GabeW is perusing google to see when his first usenet post was
- 03:03:28 [em]
- err... www2002 yes (but only if you dont use that phrase)
- 03:03:29 [AaronSw]
- GabeW is not the first ;)
- 03:03:35 [sbp]
- heh, heh, heh
- 03:03:49 [AaronSw]
- I can't say Semantic Internet? Aww, there goes my whole presentation.
- 03:04:05 [GabeW]
- 27 Sep 1990
- 03:04:18 [sbp]
- pointer, Gabe?
- 03:04:53 [GabeW]
- embarrassing - I was asking about a new Huey Lewis and the News album
- 03:04:53 [GabeW]
- eheh
- 03:05:01 [GabeW]
- ooh ooh
- 03:05:03 [GabeW]
- 12 Sep 1990
- 03:05:08 [AaronSw]
- We found DanC's old utexas email address
- 03:05:21 [em]
- * em thinks that dates GabeW on several levels :)
- 03:05:49 [AaronSw]
- Oooh, "....Name the song title and performer for all three and win a million bucks..."
- 03:06:31 [em]
- * em notes its bob marley
- 03:06:59 [sbp]
- the problem is, anyone can get them all now using Google, or lyricsearch
- 03:07:04 [sbp]
- .google "RDF Primer"
- 03:07:05 [xena]
- "RDF Primer": http://www.w3.org/2001/09/rdfprimer/meetingnotes-20010927
- 03:07:11 [em]
- * em thinks this actually mite have been a remake ... hmmm...
- 03:07:24 [em]
- ek!
- 03:07:35 [em]
- * em thinks google knows a bit too much
- 03:07:40 [sbp]
- Heh, heh
- 03:07:50 [AaronSw]
- Google knows all.
- 03:07:50 [sbp]
- .google SWEO
- 03:07:50 [xena]
- SWEO: http://www.techrepair.com/sweo.html
- 03:07:54 [sbp]
- Pff
- 03:07:58 [em]
- whew...
- 03:08:01 [sbp]
- .google SWEO "Semantic Web"
- 03:08:02 [xena]
- SWEO "Semantic Web": http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/EO
- 03:08:07 [AaronSw]
- mwaha
- 03:08:09 [em]
- doh!
- 03:08:17 [sbp]
- :-)
- 03:08:31 [AaronSw]
- why did you put the events list under it?
- 03:08:49 [wendy]
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- 03:09:04 [em]
- ok, so if i launch this... who's willing to play? and by play i mean participate heavily... people are overcommitted as is.. how does this fit into the priority of things with this group?
- 03:09:29 [sbp]
- * sbp is rather willing
- 03:09:32 [AaronSw]
- * AaronSw too
- 03:09:39 [sbp]
- So, it'll be me, you, Aaron... er...
- 03:09:44 [sbp]
- :-)
- 03:09:55 [AaronSw]
- DIdn't WL volunteer?
- 03:09:57 [AaronSw]
- It's funny tho how my priorites have shifted after the Plex.
- 03:10:15 [em]
- i've got a long list of people interested in lurking... very few willing to commit more important intellectual capitol
- 03:10:32 [sbp]
- I'm not sure. I try to keep out of Working Group formation and destruction policies, because it's not something I want to mess about with :-)
- 03:10:47 [em]
- Wl yes... but the patent thing scared him off a bit from w3c it seems
- 03:10:55 [AaronSw]
- yes, it does
- 03:11:05 [sbp]
- yeah, although he's been popping up occasionally
- 03:11:11 [AaronSw]
- * AaronSw is willing to star in the "Semantic Web Sites that Work" video
- 03:11:25 [sbp]
- DanBri is also rather good at this sort of SWEO stuff. Perhaps you can coax him
- 03:11:26 [AaronSw]
- :-)
- 03:11:30 [em]
- sbp, its not something *I* want to mess with; but i'm willing to sacrifice it for the greater SWEO good :)
- 03:11:46 [em]
- danbri yes (but also overcommitted)
- 03:12:16 [AaronSw]
- yeah, danbri seems to have fallen off the face of the earth because of the you-know-what
- 03:12:41 [em]
- * em knows where danbri is at all times :)
- 03:13:05 [AaronSw]
- you probably put one of those GPS taggers on him
- 03:13:06 [sbp]
- Must be nice having the power to just wake up one day and think, "Hmm... I'll start a WG today, just for a laugh", though? :-)
- 03:13:16 [AaronSw]
- I did that once.
- 03:13:21 [AaronSw]
- We developed xKitchenSink
- 03:13:28 [AaronSw]
- Not very pretty.
- 03:13:32 [sbp]
- heh, heh. Yeah, with Jon Borden
- 03:13:52 [sbp]
- .google XKitchenSink
- 03:13:53 [xena]
- XKitchenSink: http://lists.xml.org/archives/xml-dev/200104/msg00001.html
- 03:14:07 [em]
- * em thinks sbp:nice != em:nice
- 03:14:56 [sbp]
- Aaron, I thought we agreed that that document was to be XKS Team confidential only? You're going to have to pay the price now
- 03:14:58 [em]
- * em just now gets AaronSw's email... thanks
- 03:15:10 [AaronSw]
- Uh oh.
- 03:15:27 [sbp]
- :notEqualTo swn:converse daml:equivalentTo .
- 03:15:45 [em]
- re SWEO... just for kicks... what are candidates? a fine-editorial-comb over SW tips comes to mind, others?
- 03:16:13 [sbp]
- I really do like the "Semantic Web Sites that Work" suggestion
- 03:16:21 [em]
- yes, me too
- 03:16:33 [AaronSw]
- Oh, definitely.
- 03:16:40 [sbp]
- Seriously, if you look at the work of WAI EO, they do some wonderful stuff. The little business card things are great
- 03:16:46 [em]
- AaronSw, blogger direction comes to mind here
- 03:16:46 [AaronSw]
- I think I should fly to, um, France to film it.
- 03:17:05 [AaronSw]
- Blogger direction?
- 03:17:32 [em]
- WAI EO, abslutely.... i give high marks to Judy
- 03:17:54 [em]
- blogger... goes looking, perhaps has wrong term here
- 03:18:03 [AaronSw]
- chumpster?
- 03:18:14 [sbp]
- When I was chatting to TimBL on #rdfig the other day, all of a sudden I had this weird vision of data being just a URI away... it was weird; if the data is processable, and farily persistent, then you can create some pretty funky systems. Didn't bother writing it all down, although it did set me off converting my homepage to RDF, which I did (is now generated from and by N3!)
- 03:18:44 [AaronSw]
- What do you mean?
- 03:18:50 [em]
- * em notes sbp's recent post to this effect also came under this catagory
- 03:18:57 [sbp]
- to me, http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/EO/talks screams out "make me from RDF, make me from RDF!"
- 03:19:06 [sbp]
- post?
- 03:19:10 [em]
- snoop!
- 03:19:16 [sbp]
- heh, heh, heh
- 03:19:19 [em]
- * em wonders where sbp found this
- 03:19:20 [AaronSw]
- snoop?
- 03:20:10 [sbp]
- Hmm... I honestly don't remember
- 03:20:45 [em]
- * em notes to test in the future the average time it takes em to make something public and AaronSw, sbp, swgroup etc. to find it
- 03:21:02 [sbp]
- heh, heh, heh. You'll need a good stopwatch
- 03:21:05 [AaronSw]
- Well, like it might help if you didn't email us about it. ;-)
- 03:21:14 [em]
- err.. did i?
- 03:21:19 [sbp]
- did he?
- 03:21:24 [AaronSw]
- Proabbly.
- 03:21:25 [em]
- * em thinks that would be cheating
- 03:21:52 [em]
- ahh... AaronSw.. it was blogspace (which screams to me as RDF) not blogger
- 03:21:59 [AaronSw]
- ah
- 03:22:00 [em]
- sorry for the confusion
- 03:22:29 [AaronSw]
- Yeah, blogspace is very much rdfy
- 03:22:32 [em]
- blogger coupled with mknot (?) looks really promising as a
- 03:22:41 [em]
- 'semantic web enabled site'
- 03:22:44 [AaronSw]
- Hey, cool, ShelleyP uses the term blogspace on her blog
- 03:22:51 [em]
- * em looks for mknot reference
- 03:23:18 [sbp]
- * sbp greps email archives and IRC logs for talks reference
- 03:23:26 [em]
- * em notes no dice... again has wrong name... keeps looking
- 03:24:00 [AaronSw]
- mknot --- do you mean mnot's xpath->rss thing? or my html->rss thing?
- 03:24:28 [em]
- nope.. mkdoc, http://mkdoc.com/
- 03:24:46 [em]
- * em needs to get some sleep
- 03:25:07 [AaronSw]
- Aha.
- 03:25:46 [AaronSw]
- lol: http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2001/12/12/ED199963.DTL
- 03:26:10 [em]
- * em remebers his name is indeed 'eric', considers this a small success and heads off for bed .. night all
- 03:26:29 [AaronSw]
- Heh heh heh.
- 03:26:30 [AaronSw]
- 'nite
- 03:28:10 [sbp]
- c'ya em
- 03:28:56 [AaronSw]
- Heh heh heh: http://web.0sil8.com/episodes/megway/
- 03:37:23 [sbp]
- I wonder if that costs more or less than Segway?
- 03:37:32 [AaronSw]
- Heh!
- 03:41:31 [GabeW]
- that picture is very san francisco
- 03:41:58 [sbp]
- yeah
- 03:44:29 [GabeW]
- its wierd - sf is so distinct - I'm not sure if its the houses the streets, or what
- 03:45:53 [Morbus]
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- Morbus has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
- 04:23:39 [sbp]
- * sbp sends RDF verions of the talks page to em...
- 04:23:50 [sbp]
- s/verions/versions/
- 04:23:53 [AaronSw]
- heh heh heh
- 04:24:00 [AaronSw]
- * AaronSw reviews the rules of Nomic
- 04:24:17 [sbp]
- the first rule is not to play Nomic!
- 04:24:25 [AaronSw]
- That's not true.
- 04:24:34 [AaronSw]
- The first rule is "All players must agree to any changes to the game."
- 04:24:40 [AaronSw]
- And I did not agree to your rule!
- 04:26:21 [sbp]
- That's not the first rule, at all
- 04:26:47 [AaronSw]
- I disagree. deltab will have to come in as judge.
- 04:26:48 [AaronSw]
- deltab?
- 04:27:47 [AaronSw]
- How do I find out when I can see the Gemenids?
- 04:28:35 [sbp]
- logster, grep 2-7 -i geminids
- 04:29:00 [logster]
- I'm logging. I found 1 answer for '-i geminids' (showing 2...1)
- 04:30:01 [AaronSw]
- heh
- 04:30:08 [sbp]
- logster, grep -i 2-7 geminids
- 04:30:14 [logster]
- I'm logging. I found 4 answers for 'geminids' (showing 2...4)
- 04:30:15 [logster]
- 2) 2001-12-09 04:26:50 <chumpster> B: http://www.spaceweather.com/meteors/geminids/observingtips.html from AaronSw
- 04:30:16 [logster]
- 3) 2001-12-09 04:26:43 <AaronSw> @ http://www.spaceweather.com/meteors/geminids/observingtips.html
- 04:30:18 [sbp]
- 2 to 1 indeed...
- 04:32:35 [AaronSw]
- .time
- 04:32:35 [xena]
- 2001/12/13 04:34:08.84768 Universal
- 04:32:50 [AaronSw]
- so 10PM tomorrow for us
- 04:35:44 [AaronSw]
- so 24 hrs - 37 min
- 04:35:59 [sbp]
- same for me
- 04:36:12 [sbp]
- er, time to go, that is
- 04:36:24 [sbp]
- well, a little less, perhaps
- 04:36:32 [sbp]
- more like 23 hours
- 04:37:29 [sbp]
- even less than that, now :-)
- 04:37:37 [AaronSw]
- heh
- 04:38:52 [sbp]
- * sbp waits for RDF Primer telecon agenda... excited
- 04:38:59 [AaronSw]
- Heh.
- 04:39:16 [AaronSw]
- @ http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2001/ast07dec_1.htm
- 04:39:21 [chumpster]
- B: http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2001/ast07dec_1.htm from AaronSw
- 04:39:34 [AaronSw]
- B:|Geminids Start Tomorrow
- 04:39:35 [chumpster]
- titled item B
- 04:39:48 [AaronSw]
- B::Tips on [observing the Geminids|http://comets.amsmeteors.org/meteors/showers/geminidobs.html].
- 04:39:49 [chumpster]
- commented item B
- 04:40:06 [AaronSw]
- B::and some [more detailed tips|http://www.spaceweather.com/meteors/geminids/observingtips.html] on where and when.
- 04:40:08 [chumpster]
- commented item B
- 04:41:36 [sbp]
- B::cf. a [http://science.msfc.nasa.gov/headlines/y2000/ast08dec_1.htm|related talk]
- 04:41:37 [chumpster]
- commented item B
- 04:58:40 [sbp]
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- 05:00:05 [AaronSw]
- * AaronSw goes off to sleep
- 05:14:42 [GabeW]
- GabeW has quit ("Client Exiting")
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- 14:35:51 [Morbus]
- i do not suck somewhat!
- 14:36:34 [carter.openprojects.net]
- carter.openprojects.net has changed the topic to: Morbus does not suck somewhat
- 14:36:53 [Morbus]
- yay!
- 14:37:04 [Morbus]
- how are you?
- 14:37:09 [AaronSw]
- ok
- 14:54:47 [scipient]
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- 14:54:54 [AaronSw]
- hey scipient
- 14:54:59 [scipient]
- hello
- 14:55:02 [Morbus]
- hey there.
- 14:55:10 [scipient]
- just curious what this channel is about
- 14:56:27 [tansaku]
- Hi all
- 14:56:30 [AaronSw]
- it's the offtopic channel
- 14:56:33 [AaronSw]
- hi tansaku
- 14:57:22 [tansaku]
- hi AaronSw, you wanna see the latest phase of bot evolution in #Decent?
- 14:57:57 [Morbus]
- hey tansaku,
- 15:02:35 [tansaku]
- hey Morbus
- 15:21:33 [AaronSw]
- hmm, now google is whacking my other server, it seems
- 15:22:29 [Morbus]
- heh, heh.
- 15:22:41 [Morbus]
- go complain to jillium ;)
- 15:22:42 [AaronSw]
- actually it seems to be hitting them both at once
- 15:22:43 [AaronSw]
- great
- 15:22:48 [AaronSw]
- that's what i'm doing
- 15:22:50 [Morbus]
- :)
- 15:23:17 [AaronSw]
- .google scooter-w3
- 15:23:17 [xena]
- scooter-w3: http://codoh.com/counter/logs/%20.html
- 15:28:05 [AaronSw]
- aha!
- 15:28:07 [AaronSw]
- i found the bug
- 15:28:15 [Morbus]
- what bug?
- 15:28:40 [AaronSw]
- the reason for google to hammer my server
- 15:28:48 [Morbus]
- cos you're super cool?
- 15:28:56 [AaronSw]
- haha
- 15:31:23 [tansaku]
- .time gmt
- 15:31:23 [xena]
- Dec. 13, 2001 3:32 pm GMT
- 15:31:30 [AaronSw]
- .time jst
- 15:31:30 [xena]
- Dec. 14, 2001 12:33 am GMT+9
- 15:31:55 [tansaku]
- * tansaku is just phoning the uk
- 15:39:29 [Morbus]
- soo, what was the bug?
- 15:41:40 [AaronSw]
- some other stupid site on the internet was generating all these crazy links to my site
- 15:42:17 [Morbus]
- heh.
- 15:42:38 [AaronSw]
- it gets better tho
- 15:45:45 [Morbus]
- must i prompt you for everything?
- 15:45:49 [Morbus]
- go on, go on!
- 15:47:56 [AaronSw]
- just a sec
- 15:48:08 [AaronSw]
- i have to fix things first
- 15:48:41 [sbp]
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- 15:49:19 [AaronSw]
- hey sbp
- 15:49:32 [AaronSw]
- sbp, catch up on my crazy story in the logs
- 15:49:33 [AaronSw]
- .time
- 15:49:33 [xena]
- 2001/12/13 15:51:06.39636 Universal
- 15:49:35 [sbp]
- Hi there
- 15:49:39 [AaronSw]
- .time est
- 15:49:40 [xena]
- Dec. 13, 2001 10:51 am US/Eastern
- 15:49:53 [Morbus]
- hey sbpster
- 15:50:07 [AaronSw]
- so it turns out that the other screwed up server...
- 15:50:18 [AaronSw]
- ...happened to be another server of mine!
- 15:51:17 [AaronSw]
- basically I'd get a page and then put up a list of links with all the pages that page linked to.
- 15:51:29 [AaronSw]
- so google would recursively crawl the entire web thru my server
- 15:51:41 [sbp]
- heh, heh, heh
- 15:51:43 [AaronSw]
- but my link-generating algorithm was screwed up
- 15:51:50 [Morbus]
- heh....
- 15:51:56 [AaronSw]
- and returned really wrong links for a lot of stuff
- 15:52:09 [AaronSw]
- so not only would it crawl the web, it'd crawl the wrong web
- 15:52:11 [Morbus]
- i've almost completed gamegrene.com using movabletype. it's nice.
- 15:52:29 [AaronSw]
- but to make it even better, every page it got back from this web thing
- 15:52:34 [AaronSw]
- has a link to my website
- 15:52:45 [AaronSw]
- which is probably part of why my pagerank is so high!
- 16:00:53 [sbp]
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- 16:00:56 [AaronSw]
- @ http://www.eff.org/
- 16:01:55 [chumpster]
- C: EFF Homepage from AaronSw
- 16:02:04 [AaronSw]
- C:|Support the EFF!
- 16:02:05 [chumpster]
- titled item C
- 16:02:08 [AaronSw]
- C::Larry Lessing Wants You!
- 16:02:10 [chumpster]
- commented item C
- 16:02:18 [Morbus]
- heh!
- 16:02:23 [AaronSw]
- C::+[Powered By Freedom|http://www.io.com/images/PoweredByFreedom.gif]
- 16:02:24 [chumpster]
- commented item C
- 16:03:10 [Morbus]
- i added his latest book to my wishlist :)
- 16:03:10 [AaronSw]
- i saw :0
- 16:03:10 [Morbus]
- what the?
- 16:03:10 [Morbus]
- you looking at my wishlist? what the hell for?
- 16:03:10 [Morbus]
- <g>
- 16:03:57 [Morbus]
- i love perl.
- 16:04:02 [Morbus]
- sigh, i wish i could code perl at work all day.
- 16:04:57 [AaronSw]
- heh
- 16:05:44 [sbp]
- sbp (~sean@m670-mp1-cvx4c.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack
- 16:05:49 [Morbus]
- sb
- 16:05:52 [Morbus]
- wb
- 16:05:54 [sbp]
- Aaron, are you there?
- 16:05:55 [sbp]
- ty
- 16:05:59 [AaronSw]
- hi
- 16:06:06 [AaronSw]
- i have another hour, right?
- 16:06:13 [sbp]
- er... no, it's now
- 16:06:19 [AaronSw]
- oh, shoot
- 16:06:21 [sbp]
- and no one's dialled me up either :-)
- 16:06:25 [sbp]
- heh, heh, heh
- 16:06:33 [AaronSw]
- are you sure?
- 16:06:38 [AaronSw]
- .time est
- 16:06:39 [xena]
- Dec. 13, 2001 11:08 am US/Eastern
- 16:06:40 [em]
- sbp, rdf primer?
- 16:06:41 [AaronSw]
- i thought it was at 12
- 16:06:48 [em]
- rdf primer is in an hour
- 16:06:51 [sbp]
- Oh, Hi em
- 16:06:53 [AaronSw]
- see!
- 16:06:58 [sbp]
- ah, phew. Worked it out wrong
- 16:07:03 [AaronSw]
- :-)
- 16:07:06 [em]
- * em but is encouraged by sbp's enthusiasm :)
- 16:07:11 [sbp]
- lol
- 16:07:16 [AaronSw]
- whew
- 16:07:21 [Morbus]
- i wanna go!
- 16:07:32 [AaronSw]
- get your company to join the w3c
- 16:07:45 [sbp]
- yeah, like mine *cough* *cough*
- 16:07:47 [AaronSw]
- logster, grep -i w3c.*dial
- 16:08:16 [logster]
- I'm logging. I found 2 answers for 'w3c.*dial'
- 16:08:17 [logster]
- 0) 2001-12-13 16:07:47 <AaronSw> logster, grep -i w3c.*dial
- 16:08:18 [logster]
- 1) 2001-09-25 23:47:44 <AaronSw> Aha! W3C Teleconference Bridge Dialout dial in dial-in http://www.w3.org/1998/12/bridge/dialout.php3
- 16:08:21 [em]
- go as in attend, or go as in 'run away'.. each could be a valid response wrt the primer :)
- 16:08:21 [sbp]
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- sbp (~sean@m670-mp1-cvx4c.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack
- 16:08:27 [em]
- it depends on the size of the co, AaronSw.
- 16:08:35 [Morbus]
- what about a size of 1, em? <G>
- 16:08:41 [AaronSw]
- yeah, yah
- 16:09:06 [em]
- * em been working on the individual participation model for some time... no worky yet
- 16:09:36 [sbp]
- individuals can join as affiliates
- 16:09:49 [AaronSw]
- * AaronSw wonders if this indiv. participation model includes funds for flying to France
- 16:09:54 [em]
- Morbus, how much contact do you have working with content providers of rss 1.0 feeds?
- 16:10:03 [em]
- alas no AaronSw...
- 16:10:41 [em]
- AaronSw, whats the story with HGW?
- 16:10:42 [AaronSw]
- * AaronSw loves hyperlinked Entourage
- 16:10:50 [em]
- err.. HWG
- 16:10:55 [Morbus]
- em, about the only people i have contacts with would be AaronSw, funnily enough.
- 16:11:15 [AaronSw]
- they got bought out, their AC rep left, and i'm afraid to talk to them about it 'cuz they'll probably stop paying w3c bills if i remind them
- 16:11:15 [Morbus]
- does mike krus produce 1.0? i thought he did somewhere.
- 16:11:33 [em]
- yep, appreciate the honesty... thats what i thought
- 16:11:56 [em]
- * em takes call
- 16:13:22 [AaronSw]
- * AaronSw gets sbp's dialout thingy set up
- 16:13:29 [AaronSw]
- Zakim status: http://www.w3.org/1998/12/bridge/Zakim.html
- 16:14:45 [AaronSw]
- * AaronSw wonders if we should take primer notes in here during the call
- 16:15:10 [AaronSw]
- * AaronSw also wonders what #swhack is all about
- 16:15:23 [AaronSw]
- err #swatch
- 16:18:09 [AaronSw]
- * AaronSw would checkout the zakimbot but realizes he doesn't know the address of the CAS server.
- 16:18:53 [Morbus]
- wow. that's a first.
- 16:19:02 [Morbus]
- i use got an ugly win3.1 sorta crash with eudora.
- 16:19:14 [Morbus]
- you know, that ugly white box with the craptacular dos font ;)
- 16:19:33 [AaronSw]
- ooh
- 16:21:56 [em]
- * em still on phone... AaronSw wrt rdf primer notes... is this channel logged?
- 16:22:01 [AaronSw]
- yes
- 16:22:10 [em]
- and where is the url?
- 16:22:16 [AaronSw]
- logster, bookmark
- 16:22:16 [AaronSw]
- See http://blogspace.com/swhack/chatlogs/2001-12-13#T16-22-16
- 16:23:38 [em]
- just out of curiousity... what's this channel for exactly? rdfig getting a bit big for you? :)
- 16:23:44 [AaronSw]
- heh
- 16:24:10 [AaronSw]
- it's really the offtopic channel
- 16:24:21 [AaronSw]
- sbp and i were having interesting private chats and we wanted to log them
- 16:24:27 [AaronSw]
- and then all these other people snuck in!
- 16:24:37 [em]
- * em would like to see a 'weekly chump' rdfig message go to www-rdf-interest and invite people... a lot of people still dont know about the irc chat
- 16:24:49 [AaronSw]
- yeah, that'd be a good idea
- 16:24:54 [AaronSw]
- you should add that to annoChump
- 16:25:16 [sbp]
- * sbp seconds the idea
- 16:25:21 [Morbus]
- gasp!
- 16:25:23 [Morbus]
- i'm a loser?
- 16:25:26 [em]
- yep, its in the 'to-do' pile, which translatres into the 'i'll only get to do this on a long plance trip' pile
- 16:25:40 [AaronSw]
- see! long plane trips are good for something
- 16:26:14 [em]
- Morbus, any plans for writing a web-based version of amphetadesk?
- 16:26:22 [Morbus]
- yup, em, there is.
- 16:26:28 [em]
- oh... pointers?
- 16:26:30 [AaronSw]
- umm, isn't amphetadesk web-based?
- 16:26:30 [Morbus]
- user based too, so that it could be daemonized for an isp.
- 16:26:38 [Morbus]
- AaronSw, she means cgi-based, nif sorta thing
- 16:26:43 [em]
- yep
- 16:26:44 [AaronSw]
- ah
- 16:27:03 [Morbus]
- there's been talks about it, but nothing concrete. lemme pull up a url for ya.
- 16:27:12 [AaronSw]
- * AaronSw sees Morbus shares his tendency to refer to people he hasn't met in the female
- 16:27:18 [sbp]
- heh, heh, heh
- 16:28:06 [em]
- * em thinks this tendency is not a bad one...
- 16:28:29 [sbp]
- Morbus has a lot of tendencies
- 16:29:10 [AaronSw]
- yeah, altho the people you're talking about tend to look at you a little funny
- 16:29:44 [Morbus]
- heh. i see em and think emily
- 16:29:52 [sbp]
- well, about half of them, you'd suppose. It would be just the same the other way around
- 16:30:05 [em]
- err... if i can handle being called 'maestro', i can handle being called 'she'
- 16:30:17 [sbp]
- I think either "Emma", or "ElectroMagnetic"
- 16:30:20 [AaronSw]
- heh heh heh
- 16:30:22 [AaronSw]
- not really, since most folks online tend to be male
- 16:30:28 [sbp]
- true
- 16:30:54 [AaronSw]
- but for some reason i just can't stop myself from thinking rillian and atariboy are female
- 16:31:13 [AaronSw]
- altho i'm getting better with rillian
- 16:31:32 [AaronSw]
- perhaps i should just use zir and zie.
- 16:32:53 [Morbus]
- em: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=449629&group_id=21649&atid=372522
- 16:33:12 [Morbus]
- em: did we talk a long time ago about ampheta in rdfig?
- 16:33:17 [Morbus]
- i dont think i ever made the assoc. until now.
- 16:33:22 [Morbus]
- sheesh.
- 16:33:28 [AaronSw]
- yeah, you did
- 16:33:54 [Morbus]
- em: that also contains an rc. script if you want to stop and start ampheta every hour to force a channel refresh.
- 16:33:58 [AaronSw]
- anyone know if there's a macspeech demo?
- 16:34:01 [Morbus]
- but that feature is being built into the next version.
- 16:35:35 [Morbus]
- sbp, what other tendencies do i have, hmm?
- 16:35:41 [Morbus]
- and hey, did you finish that silly doc i sent you?
- 16:36:10 [AaronSw]
- you have a tendency to second-guess yourself
- 16:36:36 [Morbus]
- i do? no i don't!.
- 16:36:40 [Morbus]
- oh wait. yeah, i suppose i do.
- 16:36:40 [Morbus]
- <G>
- 16:37:06 [sbp]
- or do you?
- 16:37:11 [Morbus]
- *pop!*
- 16:37:14 [Morbus]
- :)
- 16:37:20 [sbp]
- Sorry, I was playing TSRTS, and it's difficult to stop once you get going...
- 16:37:26 [sbp]
- yeah, I read the doc through
- 16:37:27 [Morbus]
- tstrs?
- 16:37:41 [sbp]
- and as for tendencies, well, you second guess yourself a lot
- 16:37:43 [sbp]
- .google TSRTS
- 16:37:44 [xena]
- TSRTS: http://www.ledzeppelin.ru/forum/posts/71.html
- 16:39:18 [sbp]
- better reference: http://www.led-zeppelin.org/tablature/files/t-8-3-g.html
- 16:39:33 [Morbus]
- ah.
- 16:42:11 [sbp]
- Hmm... that Tab seems quite off to me
- 16:42:39 [sbp]
- Aaron, where are the RDF test cases?
- 16:42:48 [AaronSw]
- .google rdf test cases
- 16:42:50 [xena]
- rdf test cases: http://www.w3.org/TR/2001/WD-rdf-testcases-20010912
- 16:43:24 [AaronSw]
- also http://www.w3.org/2000/10/rdf-tests/
- 16:43:36 [AaronSw]
- entourages notes i have 15 minutes
- 16:49:45 [sbp]
- Gotta run
- 16:50:08 [AaronSw]
- sbp!
- 16:50:11 [AaronSw]
- should i call you now?
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- 16:56:01 [AaronSw]
- +SeanPalmer
- 16:56:15 [AaronSw]
- +AaronSw
- 16:56:55 [AaronSw]
- +FrankM
- 16:57:51 [em]
- * em dials
- 16:58:28 [AaronSw]
- +EricM
- 16:58:53 [AaronSw]
- eric: have the bridge for a little longer than an hour if necessary
- 16:59:09 [AaronSw]
- long story short: i need help
- 16:59:19 [AaronSw]
- ... frank is only one who delievered from first telecon
- 16:59:30 [AaronSw]
- ... grabbed stuff from Aaron and sbp, had trouble integrating
- 16:59:43 [AaronSw]
- ... realized it could be 3 diff. primers
- 17:00:19 [AaronSw]
- ... wants to compare notes
- 17:01:21 [AaronSw]
- frank: (was some material on reification)
- 17:02:19 [AaronSw]
- aaron: want a doc to point developers too
- 17:02:33 [AaronSw]
- eric: when they ask me about rdf they ask:
- 17:02:36 [AaronSw]
- - why is this important?
- 17:02:39 [AaronSw]
- - how do I do it?
- 17:02:45 [AaronSw]
- - who else is doing it?
- 17:02:46 [AaronSw]
- - where is it being used?
- 17:02:48 [AaronSw]
- - what tools can help me?
- 17:03:21 [AaronSw]
- .. should we partition?
- 17:04:52 [AaronSw]
- sbp: look at rdf schema
- 17:04:57 [AaronSw]
- err xml schema
- 17:05:03 [AaronSw]
- we chould do: history, introduction
- 17:05:09 [AaronSw]
- serialization, namespaces, etc
- 17:05:15 [AaronSw]
- daml, ontology stuff
- 17:05:20 [AaronSw]
- ... m12n is necessary
- 17:05:31 [AaronSw]
- ... want something that's not too big to start and work thru
- 17:05:34 [AaronSw]
- and then move on
- 17:06:02 [AaronSw]
- sbp clarifies: three separate documents
- 17:06:28 [AaronSw]
- frank: what i imagined was to say what rdf _is_
- 17:07:16 [AaronSw]
- ... how do you model things? what are the general idea?
- 17:07:20 [AaronSw]
- ... then have some applications
- 17:07:50 [AaronSw]
- ... once you have that core, you can have modules on tools, who's using it
- 17:07:54 [AaronSw]
- ... introduction to the model theory
- 17:08:19 [AaronSw]
- ... need a core explanation, sorta like what M&S tries to do
- 17:08:28 [AaronSw]
- ... don't want to mix some stuff up
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- 17:09:10 [AaronSw]
- em: intro to the model theory wouldn't be helpful here
- 17:09:18 [AaronSw]
- ... but would it be?
- 17:09:37 [AaronSw]
- ... some really get it, others say you're taking a complex thing and making it completely inaccessible
- 17:09:49 [AaronSw]
- frank: primer doesn't stand alone
- 17:10:04 [AaronSw]
- eric: dependencies... what needs to be included?
- 17:10:41 [AaronSw]
- ... primer might say what they're there for
- 17:10:48 [AaronSw]
- frank: put into context
- 17:11:00 [AaronSw]
- em: wasn't initially going after that, but it does make sense
- 17:11:26 [AaronSw]
- ... sorta going after web architecture
- 17:11:54 [AaronSw]
- ... identifying things with uris, xml introduction, context on why we structure things in this way and benefits
- 17:12:20 [AaronSw]
- sbp: yeah, that's aaron's stuff
- 17:12:29 [AaronSw]
- ... shows how rdf came up -- with xml and namespaces and uris
- 17:12:32 [em]
- * em appologies for mushing your guys together
- 17:12:33 [AaronSw]
- ... and how data fits together
- 17:12:37 [AaronSw]
- no prob
- 17:12:48 [AaronSw]
- sbp: there are other things that come with it
- 17:13:17 [AaronSw]
- sbp: lots of philo discussions that get missed
- 17:13:46 [AaronSw]
- eric: intended audience?
- 17:15:14 [AaronSw]
- sbp: i think me a year ago would be good model
- 17:15:24 [AaronSw]
- ... i knew about xhtml, someone mentioned the semantic web on xml-dev
- 17:15:35 [AaronSw]
- ... the only document was timbl's semweb roadmap, and some stuff on xml.com
- 17:15:40 [AaronSw]
- .. i read it, but it wasn't enough
- 17:15:48 [AaronSw]
- ... i had to talk to people like aaron and so forth
- 17:15:55 [AaronSw]
- ... the breaking point was timbl's notation3 primer
- 17:16:08 [AaronSw]
- ... from there to m&s, rdfs, daml
- 17:16:20 [AaronSw]
- ... want a central point to link to all of these things
- 17:16:45 [AaronSw]
- frank: i'm targetting it towards a collection of people...
- 17:16:53 [AaronSw]
- ... i want to speak similar to sbp, but i'm not sean
- 17:16:57 [AaronSw]
- ... i come with a different background
- 17:17:12 [AaronSw]
- ... i found it was interesting when you get to talking about tech like rdf
- 17:17:18 [AaronSw]
- ... it's the intersection of DB, Web, KR
- 17:17:30 [AaronSw]
- ... certain things are interesting based on your background
- 17:17:45 [AaronSw]
- ... i took the tact from the data model section
- 17:17:49 [AaronSw]
- ... people used to databases
- 17:18:14 [AaronSw]
- ... neat stuff is exciting issues about identifying things on the web
- 17:18:33 [AaronSw]
- ... that's when things get interesting
- 17:18:45 [AaronSw]
- ... want to go to folks used to dealing with large data
- 17:19:01 [AaronSw]
- ... then you got to point out the URI business
- 17:19:17 [AaronSw]
- ... i'm trying to get the data folks on board
- 17:20:49 [AaronSw]
- aaron: same explanation doesn't work for all groups
- 17:20:53 [AaronSw]
- [missed stuff]
- 17:21:04 [AaronSw]
- frank: object dbs allow behavior in the db
- 17:21:13 [AaronSw]
- (for db people)
- 17:21:17 [AaronSw]
- for oo people it's persistence
- 17:21:26 [AaronSw]
- ... it's the same problem -- different ramifications for each
- 17:22:51 [AaronSw]
- aaron: i want to aim at app developers and get them to store data
- 17:23:08 [AaronSw]
- eric: me too -- i have an audience that aren't sold on this stuff
- 17:23:14 [AaronSw]
- ... we (this group) are sold
- 17:23:32 [AaronSw]
- ... but i want this aimed at the folks saying: why is this important? what are the recipies?
- 17:23:47 [AaronSw]
- ... just tell me how do I do it?
- 17:24:21 [AaronSw]
- ... some things we need to clarify. serious issues with going to do it
- 17:24:40 [AaronSw]
- sbp: use cases are good for that
- 17:24:50 [AaronSw]
- ... they show it works, and show how someone else did it
- 17:25:06 [Morbus]
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- 17:25:47 [AaronSw]
- aaron: have a cookbook like perl and python
- 17:25:55 [AaronSw]
- eric: for me it's a cookbook -- there are patterns that i see
- 17:26:07 [AaronSw]
- ... writing some of those recipies down
- 17:26:17 [AaronSw]
- ... would benefit so many people
- 17:26:22 [AaronSw]
- ... DC never had recipies
- 17:26:26 [AaronSw]
- ... and made some mistakes
- 17:26:43 [AaronSw]
- ... same mistakes being repeated
- 17:26:59 [AaronSw]
- aaron: it's a pattern language and we need to write it down
- 17:27:22 [AaronSw]
- frank: there are some data modelling idioms covered in M&S we need to cover
- 17:27:54 [AaronSw]
- ... when do you use a container or repeated attributes?
- 17:27:58 [AaronSw]
- eric: is it is-a or has-a?
- 17:28:14 [AaronSw]
- ... a sorta follow the trail kind of thing
- 17:28:20 [AaronSw]
- ... controlled vocabularies
- 17:28:31 [AaronSw]
- ... i have seven things about this topic
- 17:28:48 [AaronSw]
- Python Cookbook: http://aspn.activestate.com/ASPN/Cookbook/Python
- 17:29:16 [AaronSw]
- ... need to tackle the 80/20 stuff
- 17:29:31 [AaronSw]
- ... help groups confusing author string and persons
- 17:29:49 [AaronSw]
- eric: 30 minutes left, how do we fill it in?
- 17:30:36 [AaronSw]
- frank: cookbook is arbitrarily extensible
- 17:30:46 [AaronSw]
- ... we get the basic stuff down in the primer, but we could have another document
- 17:31:01 [AaronSw]
- ... don't want to get in the way
- 17:31:30 [AaronSw]
- eric: i view the rdf and rdf schema separation as a managerial one, not a technical one
- 17:31:34 [AaronSw]
- ... we need to group logically, not by specs
- 17:32:09 [AaronSw]
- * AaronSw agrees
- 17:32:49 [AaronSw]
- sbp: one of the best rdf skills is playing mix and match and choosing the right terms
- 17:34:42 [AaronSw]
- aaron: have primer being core background and point towards cookbook as evolving resouce
- 17:34:47 [AaronSw]
- ... perhaps ask aspn for help with this
- 17:34:52 [AaronSw]
- ... but not a w3c deliverable
- 17:35:00 [AaronSw]
- eric: good point, we keep learning more
- 17:35:12 [AaronSw]
- frank: recipies include not just idioms, but in fact whole schemas
- 17:36:34 [AaronSw]
- sbp: i looked at the daml ontology list and many have errors and mistakes
- 17:36:57 [AaronSw]
- ... we can't throw them to the cookbook without teaching them first
- 17:37:12 [AaronSw]
- ... serialization is the most annoying part
- 17:37:23 [AaronSw]
- eric: the people who get rdf the most, imo, are those who've never seen xml
- 17:38:02 [AaronSw]
- frank: i'm looking at the rdf core wg page
- 17:38:24 [AaronSw]
- ... what the primer at least has to do is all of the explanation that the m&S does
- 17:38:31 [AaronSw]
- because no one else will do that
- 17:39:34 [AaronSw]
- frank: does the primer need to cover rdf/xml?
- 17:40:09 [AaronSw]
- aaron: i want to make xml optional
- 17:40:19 [AaronSw]
- sbp: perhaps have a flowchart
- 17:41:07 [AaronSw]
- eric: in M&S we did some things for historical reasons we don't need to do anymore
- 17:41:24 [AaronSw]
- ... no such thing as abbreviated syntax
- 17:41:29 [AaronSw]
- ... no id
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- 17:41:58 [AaronSw]
- eric: some things we can do to make it easier to swallow
- 17:42:04 [AaronSw]
- (it = rdf/xml
- 17:42:20 [AaronSw]
- ... we need some kind of this is what it looks like kind of thing
- 17:43:03 [AaronSw]
- eric: n-triples, then xml
- 17:43:15 [AaronSw]
- ... ntriples in the sense of: this is a simple sentence
- 17:44:26 [AaronSw]
- ... show the comparison between n-triples, rdf/xml, and arcs and nodes
- 17:44:57 [AaronSw]
- ... we now have the tools to spit out all those formats plus svg and png
- 17:45:32 [AaronSw]
- aaron: very cool to have a "other representations" web service
- 17:46:03 [AaronSw]
- aaron: i got the sense that we're looking at giving people the background they need to dig in
- 17:46:08 [AaronSw]
- sbp: getting into the rdf mess
- 17:46:40 [AaronSw]
- my doc:
- 17:46:45 [AaronSw]
- rdf's place in webarch
- 17:47:10 [AaronSw]
- frank: i have a problem starting off with soemthing other than rdf
- 17:47:15 [AaronSw]
- eric: absolutely
- 17:47:25 [AaronSw]
- ... introduction should be all about rdf
- 17:47:34 [AaronSw]
- ... start off with an example
- 17:47:43 [AaronSw]
- ... but the next section should go into the context of the web
- 17:48:06 [AaronSw]
- ... we're building off of the web here
- 17:48:22 [AaronSw]
- ... different from my days in sgml
- 17:48:40 [AaronSw]
- ... building off of the web helps
- 17:48:49 [AaronSw]
- ... showing at goals
- 17:49:37 [AaronSw]
- frank: once you have a bit to talk about the data model
- 17:49:52 [AaronSw]
- ... natural hook to attach the explanation of uris
- 17:49:57 [AaronSw]
- ... and explain a resource
- 17:50:55 [AaronSw]
- aaron: have a narrative to hold things together
- 17:51:06 [AaronSw]
- sbp: URIs identifying things are a huge leap for people
- 17:51:42 [AaronSw]
- frank: you should re-read my data model thhing
- 17:51:56 [AaronSw]
- ... starts with URLs but shows useful relationships
- 17:52:07 [AaronSw]
- ... but then uses uris
- 17:52:15 [AaronSw]
- ... show predicates are uris
- 17:52:46 [AaronSw]
- [rum analogy]
- 17:53:25 [AaronSw]
- eric: frank's thing could be a whole document by itself
- 17:53:36 [AaronSw]
- frank: is this the right material? is it going to slow?
- 17:55:06 [AaronSw]
- frank's doc: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2001Oct/att-0236/01-primermodel7.html
- 17:55:30 [AaronSw]
- eric: need some outline for tomorrow's telecon
- 17:55:40 [AaronSw]
- ... seems aaron and frank are saying similar things on a different outline
- 17:59:48 [AaronSw]
- eric: more text than we know what to do wiht
- 17:59:53 [AaronSw]
- ... need a storyline/outline
- 18:01:05 [AaronSw]
- eric: can people commit time up until the 20th
- 18:01:15 [AaronSw]
- yes all around
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- 18:02:21 [AaronSw]
- telecons seem helpful
- 18:02:28 [AaronSw]
- eric: take discussion to email until we get an outline
- 18:02:33 [AaronSw]
- ... see how far we get on that.
- 18:02:45 [AaronSw]
- ... once we feel comfortable, put some meat on the bone
- 18:03:27 [AaronSw]
- ... cc www-archive
- 18:03:46 [em]
- AaronSw, can you start the ball off by sending these excellent notes?
- 18:03:53 [AaronSw]
- sure
- 18:04:01 [AaronSw]
- will do
- 18:04:05 [AaronSw]
- and cc www-arhchive
- 18:08:36 [GabeW]
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- 18:12:38 [AaronSw]
- for primer: pointer to community
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- 18:27:55 [AaronSw]
- http://www.mozilla.org/blue-sky/misc/199805/intertwingle.html
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- 18:47:49 [AaronSw]
- logster, bookmark
- 18:47:49 [AaronSw]
- See http://blogspace.com/swhack/chatlogs/2001-12-13#T18-47-49
- 18:49:45 [sbp]
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- 18:49:53 [AaronSw]
- well, hello there
- 18:50:11 [sbp]
- * sbp waves
- 18:50:13 [sbp]
- heh, hi there
- 18:50:17 [sbp]
- fancy meeting you here
- 18:50:26 [GabeW]
- fancy meeting *anyone* here
- 18:50:27 [AaronSw]
- quite odd, isn't it?
- 18:50:37 [AaronSw]
- links for mr. palmer:
- 18:50:37 [AaronSw]
- http://www.mozilla.org/blue-sky/misc/199805/intertwingle.html
- 18:50:49 [sbp]
- ah, enchanting
- 18:50:49 [AaronSw]
- http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?RdfPrimerOutine
- 18:50:58 [sbp]
- Outine?
- 18:51:08 [sbp]
- Perhaps there should be an "l" in there somewhere?
- 18:51:10 [GabeW]
- you guys using c2's wiki,eh?
- 18:51:25 [sbp]
- yeah, we like the retro 90's charm
- 18:51:38 [AaronSw]
- ah, perhaps my lack of an l is why it was deleted.
- 18:51:53 [sbp]
- that appears to be a distinct possibility :-)
- 18:52:21 [AaronSw]
- * AaronSw fights with wiki.db
- 18:52:31 [AaronSw]
- http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?RdfPrimerOutline
- 18:52:34 [sbp]
- wow, Frank's done his outline already!
- 18:52:48 [sbp]
- we've slipped behind!
- 18:52:51 [AaronSw]
- indeed!
- 18:52:55 [AaronSw]
- we better get cracking
- 18:53:02 [sbp]
- you mean: hacking
- 18:53:28 [AaronSw]
- indeed
- 18:54:13 [AaronSw]
- where did you say you were off to?
- 18:54:29 [sbp]
- I'll be off to watch The Simpsons in about 3 minutes time
- 18:54:37 [AaronSw]
- ah, right then
- 18:55:23 [AaronSw]
- * AaronSw sends IRC log
- 18:55:41 [sbp]
- * sbp runs through the log, tries the Python cookbook
- 18:56:36 [sbp]
- Hmm.. I appear to have found this before, when I was looking for something else (can't remember what - must have been when I was first getting into Python)
- 18:56:57 [GabeW]
- what?
- 18:57:10 [sbp]
- huh?
- 18:57:18 [AaronSw]
- <AaronSw> Python Cookbook: http://aspn.activestate.com/ASPN/Cookbook/Python
- 18:57:25 [sbp]
- * sbp runs out of time
- 18:57:31 [AaronSw]
- c'ya
- 18:57:38 [sbp]
- Well, gotta run. I'll be back in about an hour, probably
- 18:57:40 [sbp]
- c'ya
- 18:57:46 [AaronSw]
- ta ta
- 18:57:50 [sbp]
- :-)
- 18:57:54 [AaronSw]
- ;)
- 18:58:42 [lilo]
- [Global Notice] Repeating the message for those lost in the confusion. We began experiencing severe network problems with one of our main rotation servers and we've removed the server from the rotation and shut it down. Apologies for the inconvenience. If you'd like to help and have a server with excellent connectivity, please take a look at http://openprojects.net/sponsoring_servers.shtml .... thanks.
- 18:58:49 [GabeW]
- i was trying to figure out what sbp was talking about when he said "I appear to have found this before"
- 18:59:02 [AaronSw]
- I believe he was referring to the cookbook
- 18:59:21 [GabeW]
- ooooh
- 18:59:33 [AaronSw]
- * AaronSw is glad they didn't take down his server.
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- 19:24:22 [Morbus]
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- 19:24:38 [Morbus]
- teleconn still on?
- 19:24:45 [AaronSw]
- nope
- 19:24:56 [Morbus]
- poo.
- 19:25:00 [Morbus]
- logster, where am i?
- 19:25:00 [Morbus]
- See http://blogspace.com/swhack/chatlogs/2001-12-13#T19-25-00
- 19:25:12 [carter.openprojects.net]
- carter.openprojects.net has changed the topic to: Tea, anyone? My tea?
- 19:25:14 [Morbus]
- thanks, logster
- 19:25:47 [Morbus]
- were you transcribing that yourself? or voice to text?
- 19:26:42 [AaronSw]
- no, by hand
- 19:27:08 [Morbus]
- nice.
- 19:27:12 [Morbus]
- impressive, rather.
- 19:27:17 [AaronSw]
- thanks
- 19:27:23 [AaronSw]
- i missed a bunch towards the end
- 19:27:32 [Morbus]
- your fingers were probably getting tired ;)
- 19:27:49 [AaronSw]
- yeah :)
- 19:36:34 [Morbus]
- i'm sure it cycles down to a slower speed.
- 19:36:46 [Morbus]
- i mean, 12 processors, and no battery monitoring?
- 19:36:55 [GabeW]
- oh, I dont mean dead battery
- 19:36:58 [GabeW]
- I mean, failed battery
- 19:37:00 [GabeW]
- it happens
- 19:37:09 [GabeW]
- what about a failed motor in one wheel?
- 19:37:15 [Morbus]
- you go in circles.
- 19:37:18 [GabeW]
- hehehe
- 19:37:22 [Morbus]
- "my invention even handles disorientation!"
- 19:37:24 [GabeW]
- thats no fun at 12 mph
- 19:37:25 [Morbus]
- "water in the inner ear!"
- 19:37:30 [Morbus]
- "drunkenness!"
- 19:37:31 [Morbus]
- <G>
- 19:37:39 [AaronSw]
- GabeW, backup batteries!
- 19:39:26 [GabeW]
- I still think the faceplant issue is rather serious
- 19:40:00 [Morbus]
- s/ei/ie/
- 19:42:04 [GabeW]
- thieving is a word
- 19:42:28 [AaronSw]
- man, the logs are going to be so strange
- 19:42:45 [Morbus]
- oh please.
- 19:42:57 [Morbus]
- i'm sure they said that back then too, only with Milton instead of Shakespeare.
- 19:43:06 [Morbus]
- of course, i dunno if the timeline is right on that, but you know ;)
- 19:43:39 [Morbus]
- logs strange? not at all! we're giving an example of internet decay, when threads of conversation disappear into comment land.
- 19:43:57 [GabeW]
- faceplanting, thieving
- 19:44:06 [GabeW]
- shakespeare
- 19:44:12 [Morbus]
- facethieving, planting.
- 19:44:19 [GabeW]
- that'd be an interesting google query
- 19:44:27 [AaronSw]
- Shakesepare didn't have a dictionary, so he had no way of knowing what was a word.
- 19:44:34 [GabeW]
- .google faceplanting thieving shakespeare
- 19:44:38 [GabeW]
- dammit
- 19:44:53 [AaronSw]
- where in the world is xena?
- 19:45:03 [Morbus]
- that may be true, AaronSw, but that... she flooded out when you were transcribing.
- 19:45:05 [AaronSw]
- Your search - faceplanting thieving shakespeare - did not match any documents.
- 19:45:09 [GabeW]
- probably next to Carmen San Diego
- 19:45:28 [GabeW]
- * GabeW waits for the groans
- 19:45:36 [AaronSw]
- groan
- 19:45:40 [Morbus]
- where in the world is? do you have that theme song?
- 19:45:43 [Morbus]
- i have it around here somewhere.
- 19:45:49 [Morbus]
- i used to play that game. loved it to death.
- 19:45:53 [AaronSw]
- me too
- 19:46:05 [Morbus]
- hey, did you ever play Number/Word Munchers and Oregon Trail?
- 19:46:08 [Morbus]
- those were some of my favorites too.
- 19:46:10 [AaronSw]
- yeah!
- 19:46:13 [Morbus]
- and there was this fishing game too.
- 19:46:16 [xena]
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- 19:46:19 [Morbus]
- where you were a fish and had to eat the right shit.
- 19:46:32 [AaronSw]
- i don't remember that
- 19:46:33 [Morbus]
- and if you played enough, you could tell a bird was coming just because of a split second pause inthe sounds.
- 19:46:36 [Morbus]
- it was awesome :)
- 19:46:36 [GabeW]
- geezuz kids
- 19:46:39 [AaronSw]
- they had all those games in 1st grade
- 19:46:43 [Morbus]
- yeah!
- 19:46:48 [Morbus]
- i played them forever. i loved it.
- 19:46:49 [GabeW]
- Carmen San Diego was way after my childhood
- 19:46:58 [AaronSw]
- heh heh he
- 19:47:05 [AaronSw]
- come on, you can admit it GabeW
- 19:47:12 [Morbus]
- heh, heh.
- 19:47:21 [Morbus]
- welp, afk for abit. gotta make some envelopes on a diff box
- 19:57:52 [xena]
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- 19:59:51 [AaronSw]
- hello
- 20:00:25 [sbp]
- Hi
- 20:01:05 [AaronSw]
- i put up a sketch at that outline page
- 20:01:30 [sbp]
- * sbp catches up on stuff
- 20:01:50 [sbp]
- ooh, sprockets
- 20:06:05 [xena]
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- 20:07:07 [sbp]
- * sbp adds two small notes to the primer outline
- 20:09:02 [sbp]
- * sbp plays "Whiskey From The Glass"
- 20:09:58 [AaronSw]
- good points
- 20:10:24 [sbp]
- what do you mean by "Introduction to basics of RDF" - it's a significant step that's missing from Frank's outline
- 20:10:36 [sbp]
- s/F"/F"?/
- 20:10:59 [AaronSw]
- i mean like, rdf is made up of triples, each portion is a resource
- 20:11:04 [AaronSw]
- that sort of thing
- 20:12:11 [sbp]
- right. So, it's the whole "here's the RDF data model" thing. The odd thing about that is how it confuses the OOP folk...
- 20:13:05 [AaronSw]
- hmm, it does?
- 20:14:12 [sbp]
- Yeah, because they think of classes as OOPS classes, with string attribute values, and the fact that you have contraints on the properties rather than the classes drives them nuts
- 20:14:18 [sbp]
- heh: "OOPS"
- 20:14:23 [AaronSw]
- heh
- 20:17:18 [Morbus]
- ok.
- 20:17:21 [Morbus]
- whoo. that was fun.
- 20:17:43 [AaronSw]
- Heh.
- 20:18:02 [Morbus]
- man. i love the spam i get.
- 20:18:03 [Morbus]
- [[[
- 20:18:03 [Morbus]
- FREE INTERNET BROADCAST TALK ON:
- 20:18:04 [Morbus]
- Tuesday, December 18, 2001, at 7 PM (CST)
- 20:18:04 [Morbus]
- http://www.originsofevil.com/
- 20:18:04 [Morbus]
- Fallen Angels, Originators of Evil on Planet Earth?
- 20:18:04 [Morbus]
- ]]]
- 20:18:10 [AaronSw]
- lol
- 20:18:26 [AaronSw]
- they must have googled for evil teletubbies or something
- 20:18:46 [sbp]
- heh, heh, heh
- 20:23:45 [Morbus]
- :)
- 20:23:53 [Morbus]
- i love the terms people find me by.
- 20:24:00 [Morbus]
- such a wealth of weirdness :)
- 20:24:16 [Morbus]
- i met that scattergirl chick because she looked for "devil image" at i.google.
- 20:24:48 [sbp]
- * sbp wonders why scats was searching for that
- 20:24:58 [Morbus]
- she works for a design agency.
- 20:25:03 [Morbus]
- she designs crap all day long.
- 20:25:25 [sbp]
- Tea?
- 20:25:32 [AaronSw]
- My tea?
- 20:26:53 [sbp]
- yeah
- 20:27:02 [sbp]
- what's up with that?
- 20:27:21 [AaronSw]
- It's sort of a pun on mit
- 20:27:35 [Morbus]
- is that what this is?
- 20:27:41 [Morbus]
- oh. i never would have guessed that.
- 20:28:01 [Morbus]
- so, sbp, what'd you think of that word doc i sent?
- 20:28:41 [sbp]
- you want: Hmm... My Tea?
- 20:29:00 [carter.openprojects.net]
- carter.openprojects.net has changed the topic to: Hmm... My tea?
- 20:29:12 [Morbus]
- or "Collagen In My Tea?"
- 20:29:29 [sbp]
- good, but I've had to bung it on the back shelf temporarily. And anyway, I can't discuss it in public, you said :-)
- 20:29:43 [Morbus]
- heheh. well, everythiing but the ... .. audience participation thing i said.
- 20:29:58 [sbp]
- ah, fair enough
- 20:30:11 [sbp]
- THe Godzilla thing still cracks me up
- 20:30:15 [Morbus]
- and hey, the danza/megway thing was pretty lame, as expected.
- 20:30:18 [Morbus]
- heheh :) ...
- 20:31:03 [AaronSw]
- word doc?
- 20:32:09 [Morbus]
- yah. its the beginning of a design doc for that game i was blthering on about las tnight
- 20:32:16 [AaronSw]
- aha
- 20:33:48 [Morbus]
- and the secrecy is only cos i don't want someone else to screw it up.
- 20:33:59 [Morbus]
- i think its a really neat idea, i would just hate to see it in someone else's hands.
- 20:34:14 [AaronSw]
- hmm
- 20:34:18 [Morbus]
- hmm?
- 20:34:34 [AaronSw]
- do you have to question everything? ;-)
- 20:35:31 [Morbus]
- is that a bad thing? ;)
- 20:35:53 [AaronSw]
- What does it look like?
- 20:36:09 [sbp]
- what does what look like?
- 20:36:21 [Morbus]
- oh come now, you're telling me you're that blind?
- 20:36:41 [AaronSw]
- have you ever thought that maybe you're the one who's blind?
- 20:36:57 [Morbus]
- hey, who do you think you are?!
- 20:37:01 [sbp]
- can someone please enlighten me as to what's going on?
- 20:37:07 [Morbus]
- should we tell him?
- 20:37:17 [AaronSw]
- what do you think?
- 20:37:23 [Morbus]
- logster, where am i?
- 20:37:23 [Morbus]
- See http://blogspace.com/swhack/chatlogs/2001-12-13#T20-37-23
- 20:37:46 [Morbus]
- sbp, why do you want to know?
- 20:38:03 [sbp]
- I take it you're just playing some stupid game where you just keep asking each other questions?
- 20:38:09 [sbp]
- do you know how silly you're all being?
- 20:38:24 [AaronSw]
- don't you think you're just contributing to the silliness?
- 20:38:42 [sbp]
- did you ever stop to think that I might like a bit of silliness now and then?
- 20:38:49 [AaronSw]
- Heh: http://www.cartoonbank.com/newyorkistan.asp
- 20:38:58 [AaronSw]
- Why would I think about that?
- 20:39:23 [Morbus]
- [[[ 01,0010[15:40] cialadybug: 01do you know of a play called waiting for godot? that irc log reminds me of it.]]]
- 20:39:27 [sbp]
- heh, heh
- 20:39:40 [sbp]
- which IRC log?
- 20:39:44 [AaronSw]
- Does she like Stoppard?
- 20:40:09 [Morbus]
- [[[
- 20:40:10 [Morbus]
- 01,0010[15:41] cialadybug: 01ack
- 20:40:10 [Morbus]
- 04[15:41] morbus_iff: 01just keep refreshing. you're part of the chat now ;)
- 20:40:10 [Morbus]
- 10[15:41] cialadybug: 01how'd i get on there?
- 20:40:11 [Morbus]
- ]]]
- 20:40:27 [AaronSw]
- heh heh
- 20:40:30 [Morbus]
- 01,0010[15:41] cialadybug: 01i do like stoppard.
- 20:40:30 [AaronSw]
- @ http://www.cartoonbank.com/newyorkistan.asp
- 20:40:34 [chumpster]
- D: Cartoonbank.com - New Yorkistan Cover from AaronSw
- 20:40:39 [Morbus]
- who is stoppard?
- 20:40:42 [GabeW]
- hey, can you guys point me to a site that is using RSS that a "suit" would recognize?
- 20:40:47 [GabeW]
- Tom Stoppard
- 20:40:50 [GabeW]
- playwright
- 20:40:51 [AaronSw]
- D:See also this [New York Times Cover|http://www.nytimes.com/2001/12/08/arts/design/08NOTE.html].
- 20:40:56 [GabeW]
- .google Tom Stoppard
- 20:40:57 [xena]
- Tom Stoppard: http://www.geocities.com/Broadway/9432/stoppard
- 20:41:09 [AaronSw]
- author of "Rosencrantz and Guildenstern Are Dead"
- 20:41:14 [sbp]
- lol @ refreshing
- 20:41:31 [sbp]
- I pity the poor fools whose minds are warped by reading these logs
- 20:41:38 [sbp]
- no offence, cialadybug
- 20:41:42 [GabeW]
- * GabeW was a theater minor in undergrad
- 20:42:35 [AaronSw]
- Cool.
- 20:44:06 [Morbus]
- god, what the hell is wrong with me.
- 20:44:07 [GabeW]
- anyway, to repeat my questoin
- 20:44:11 [GabeW]
- hey, can you guys point me to a site that is using RSS that a "suit" would recognize?
- 20:44:15 [Morbus]
- cialadybug asked me who sbp was, and i said "a good friend".
- 20:44:27 [Morbus]
- gabew, look into syndic8.com, but a good one might be salon.com.
- 20:44:35 [sbp]
- ugh, poor you
- 20:44:58 [Morbus]
- i know!
- 20:45:04 [Morbus]
- i cant believe i lied to her! she's a nice person.
- 20:45:18 [AaronSw]
- GabeW, Red Harring?
- 20:45:33 [Morbus]
- s/har/her/
- 20:45:40 [AaronSw]
- ah, whatever
- 20:45:45 [AaronSw]
- didn't they go bankrupt?
- 20:45:48 [GabeW]
- aren't they out of business?
- 20:46:07 [Morbus]
- no, going bankrupt was a red herring.
- 20:46:13 [Morbus]
- they operate an ice cream factory now
- 20:46:15 [GabeW]
- hahaahahah
- 20:46:24 [AaronSw]
- D::And [this letter|http://www.nytimes.com/2001/12/13/opinion/L13YORK.html].
- 20:46:25 [chumpster]
- commented item D
- 20:46:33 [sbp]
- heh, heh, heh. Don't forget she's probably reading this
- 20:46:35 [sbp]
- * sbp waves
- 20:47:33 [sbp]
- .google "]Open Space Movement"
- 20:47:34 [xena]
- "]Open Space Movement": http://www.openspacemovement.org
- 20:49:21 [sbp]
- s/]//
- 20:51:45 [sbp]
- .google ww2online
- 20:51:45 [xena]
- ww2online: http://www.hq.wwiionline.com
- 20:52:10 [Morbus]
- LOL!
- 20:52:12 [Morbus]
- "01,0010[15:52] cialadybug: 01is this sbp guy your mortal enemy or what?"
- 20:52:17 [sbp]
- lol!
- 20:52:30 [AaronSw]
- Heh: http://www.cartoonbank.com/chast_intro/images/006.jpg
- 20:53:23 [sbp]
- text version?
- 20:53:35 [Morbus]
- yeah, sure, just put .txt on the end there ;)
- 20:54:34 [AaronSw]
- it's a cartoon site! they don't believe in text
- 20:55:09 [sbp]
- they don't believe in accessiblity? That's not good
- 21:01:39 [sbp]
- D&D summed up in one beautiful phrase: """ME: "Hold on a fucking second here-"""" - http://somethingawful.com/
- 21:02:36 [Morbus]
- hehe
- 21:09:59 [AaronSw]
- sbp, you think i should send that Rdf Primer Outline stuff to the group?
- 21:10:10 [Morbus]
- Morbus has left #swhack
- 21:10:16 [sbp]
- at least to www-archive, IMO
- 21:10:25 [AaronSw]
- ok
- 21:15:24 [AaronSw]
- sbp, I've edited the page a bit -- what do you think?
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- 21:21:15 [sbp]
- sorry...
- 21:21:42 [sbp]
- the new RDF Primer Outline is good. Dunno whether the links to the community should go in the intro or the "what now?" section
- 21:21:58 [sbp]
- I guess a few of them could into the introduction, with a more comprehensive reference at the bottom
- 21:22:06 [AaronSw]
- Yeah, that could work.
- 21:22:28 [AaronSw]
- I was inclined to put them at the bottom because you get the feeling of: Well that was fun, where do I go next?
- 21:22:33 [sbp]
- we don't want people to feel as if the document is isolated soemhow; rather that it's a "definitive" bit of primer material, but here are some places of escape
- 21:22:40 [AaronSw]
- Hmm.
- 21:22:42 [sbp]
- yeah, I agree that most of it should go at the bottom
- 21:22:56 [sbp]
- it's always the case that you read something and think "great, but now what?"
- 21:23:07 [sbp]
- but the status should be clear from the beginning - open and friendly
- 21:23:20 [AaronSw]
- Yea, it'd be good to say at the top that "this document doesn't stand alone. see these other pages and ask these folks for help."
- 21:24:05 [sbp]
- yeah
- 21:33:11 [sbp]
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- 22:16:12 [MorbusIff]
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- 22:16:12 [MorbusIff]
- and on this day, at 5:17, morbus' head doth pop.
- 22:16:12 [MorbusIff]
- man, look at all the people in the room.
- 22:22:46 [GabeW]
- there should be a well-agreed-upon protocol for bots to identify themselves upon the request of a user
- 22:22:56 [MorbusIff]
- i agree.
- 22:23:03 [MorbusIff]
- i've been meaning to write a bot.
- 22:23:16 [GabeW]
- I should just be able to say "bots!" and each bot should say "I am a bot"
- 22:23:29 [GabeW]
- bots!
- 22:37:00 [MorbusIff]
- 43% rayon,<br>34% acrylic,<br>19% polyester,<br>4% cotton
- 22:37:03 [MorbusIff]
- oop. hqahaha.
- 22:37:08 [MorbusIff]
- http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/xml/library/x-tipcss2/index.html
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- 23:14:49 [AaronSw]
- howdy
- 23:15:46 [AaronSw]
- ugh, it
- 23:15:46 [AaronSw]
- it's all clowdy out
- 23:15:51 [Morbus]
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- 23:20:28 [sbp]
- ooh, nice new phenomic word: "clowdy"
- 23:20:34 [Morbus]
- bah
- 23:20:49 [AaronSw]
- heh
- 23:21:21 [sbp]
- pfnürgn, Morbus?
- 23:21:53 [AaronSw]
- I needed clowdy to rhyme with howdy.
- 23:21:58 [sbp]
- and dowdy
- 23:22:05 [sbp]
- .wn dowdy
- 23:22:06 [xena]
- dowdy defined as:
- 23:22:07 [xena]
- - adj 1: lacking in smartness or taste; "a dowdy gray outfit"; "a clean and sunny but completely dowdy room"
- 23:22:08 [xena]
- - 2: primly out of date; "nothing so frumpish as last year's gambling game" [syn: {frumpy}, {frumpish}] n : deep-dish apple dessert covered with a rich crust [syn: {pandowdy}]
- 23:22:31 [AaronSw]
- frumpish seems awfully phenomic.
- 23:22:47 [sbp]
- it sounds too germanesque
- 23:23:03 [sbp]
- heh, heh, I meant Germanic, but it sounds better Frenchized
- 23:23:25 [AaronSw]
- Heh heh.
- 23:23:39 [AaronSw]
- I think Stephen E. Dowdy, the Earl of URL(tm) might take offense. http://www.cs.colorado.edu/~dowdy/
- 23:23:40 [Morbus]
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- 23:23:52 [sbp]
- .google frumpy etymology
- 23:23:52 [xena]
- frumpy etymology: http://www.flakmag.com/about/letters00.html
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- 23:29:54 [Morbus]
- wow, this is getting annoying
- 23:35:34 [AaronSw]
- stupid isp ;)
- 23:36:05 [Morbus]
- heh, heh.
- 23:36:10 [Morbus]
- actually, its my stupid usb modem.
- 23:36:18 [Morbus]
- for some odd reason, when it sends out a decent amount of data, it freezes.
- 23:36:30 [AaronSw]
- ah, that
- 23:36:31 [Morbus]
- anyways, the next version of os x is 10.1.2, right? i'm having a brain cramp.
- 23:36:43 [AaronSw]
- it should be... it's not out yet, is it?
- 23:37:03 [Morbus]
- no. should be out real soon. the developer one has been seeded.
- 23:37:27 [AaronSw]
- Hmm
- 23:46:28 [sbp]
- A, did you get the P intro?
- 23:47:21 [sbp]
- yo, A-ster, are you there?
- 23:48:59 [AaronSw]
- I did indeed.
- 23:49:08 [AaronSw]
- Heh, look at these links we've gotten:
- 23:49:15 [AaronSw]
- anchor tag# of times
- 23:49:15 [AaronSw]
- swhack weblog2
- 23:49:15 [AaronSw]
- aaron swarz1
- 23:49:15 [AaronSw]
- aaron1
- 23:49:15 [AaronSw]
- aaron's running a chump bot1
- 23:49:24 [AaronSw]
- people can't spell my name, apparently
- 23:49:39 [Morbus]
- hhehe
- 23:50:19 [AaronSw]
- According to http://blogdex.media.mit.edu/browseSource.asp?url=http://blogspace.com/swhack/weblog/
- 23:50:32 [Morbus]
- change that url= to ego= AaronSw.
- 23:50:43 [sbp]
- heh, heh, heh
- 23:50:46 [AaronSw]
- heh heh
- 23:50:46 [Morbus]
- no, seriously.
- 23:50:48 [Morbus]
- it's new.
- 23:50:49 [AaronSw]
- no, it's a different link
- 23:50:51 [sbp]
- at the misspelling
- 23:50:51 [Morbus]
- i'm not joking.
- 23:51:00 [AaronSw]
- i know -- that's what i'm doing now
- 23:51:03 [Morbus]
- ah.
- 23:51:23 [AaronSw]
- doesn't seem to quite work for us tho
- 23:52:00 [AaronSw]
- i guess since we don't have any socnet links
- 23:55:38 [sbp]
- we don't? oh man, what a shame
- 23:55:48 [AaronSw]
- what would we link to?
- 23:55:57 [AaronSw]
- the chumps i guess...
- 23:57:54 [sbp]
- Hmm... let's review the people that we have in here
- 23:59:25 [Morbus]
- i cant see the user list for some reason.
- 23:59:29 [sbp]
- AaronSw - owner, creator, and master of the #swhack kingdom. Aaron "Two Monitors" Swartz has reigned supreme over #swhack, enforcing his Big Brother-esque philosophies by logging us straight to the Web. He also runs a health farm in Minnesota, but we don't like to talk about that
- 23:59:42 [AaronSw]
- Heh heh heh.
- 23:59:49 [AaronSw]
- Ooh: morfran: And the Pants cult will be enjoying a mass suicide on the 13th May 2002.
- 23:59:51 [Morbus]
- don't forget that he likes to reinvent history.