00:09:07 tav` (~tav@host217-34-87-79.in-addr.btopenworld.com) has joined #swhack 01:01:06 sbp has quit (Ping timeout: 181 seconds) 01:02:34 sbp (~sean@m26-mp1-cvx4c.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack 01:17:25 .google Sh FTP 01:17:27 Sh FTP: http://bb4.com/bb/rest.html 01:29:52 neat, it worked 01:30:06 what did? 01:30:13 viz. "# neat, it worked" :-) 01:30:37 :-) 01:30:45 just hacking about with Python and FTP. Sean thanks you for your help (what help?) 01:32:34 no prob 01:36:31 wmf (wesf@cs242724-5.austin.rr.com) has joined #swhack 01:36:36 AaronSw? 01:37:34 wmf! 01:38:09 I'm trying to decide if I have to kill you or not 01:38:16 Why? 01:38:30 for stringing nonsense words together? 01:38:44 not only do you know too much, but you talk too much :-) 01:38:57 hey, you're the one who said it! 01:39:21 on your website 01:40:21 or are you talking about something else? 01:40:46 you should have let him keep guessing 01:41:04 but he said the same thing in the subject line 01:41:38 "sleep deprived award-winner" 01:41:59 he didn't know that the award was for the demo 01:42:18 he seemed to have figured that out according to the subject. 01:42:47 OK, I will let you live 01:43:01 i have changed post, now it's much funnier. 01:43:17 anyway, what's the big secret about this demo 01:43:19 ? 01:43:33 LOL 01:43:44 :-) 01:43:46 I'm glad I don't have boring meetings 01:43:59 well, the whole project is secret 01:44:20 so you have boring secret meetings? 01:44:31 no 01:44:48 ;-) 01:45:19 Sorry to interrupt you guys, but this is strictly a "Mr. Grape" discussion forum only: please read the topic. Comply, or get out 01:45:31 * sbp waves to wmf :-) 01:45:38 er, ok 01:45:47 lol 01:46:01 Mr. Grape is the codename for wmf's secret project. 01:46:04 Oops, I've said too much. 01:46:14 heh 01:46:22 Ah, I heard that Wes was working on something to do with Mr. Grape 01:46:22 we ARE looking for a codename... 01:46:55 He does know that all of this is publically logged doesn't he [apologies for speaking as though he wasn't here, once I got going on the sentence...] 01:47:10 No, I was trying to entrap him. 01:47:10 hmm 01:47:23 Now you've blown my cover, sbp. Blast you! 01:47:27 He he he 01:47:41 * wmf calls in an air strike 01:47:50 You're supposed to tell him that after he reveals the corporate secrets. 01:48:00 Uh oh, here come the black helicopters. 01:48:03 after? oh, feck 01:48:14 heh, as if they'd tell me that stuff 01:48:35 Wesley "Cog in the Machine" Felter 01:48:53 aah, Google will help me. Google knows about all this weird crap 01:48:54 .google Wesley Felter's secret project 01:48:56 Wesley Felter's secret project: http://blogspace.com/swhack/chatlogs/2001-09-28.txt 01:49:01 heh heh heh 01:49:03 Hmm... 01:49:09 uhh 01:49:10 s/Google/#swhack/ 01:50:24 in this case, google doesn't live up to its reputation 01:51:04 there doesn't appear to be too much about it on the web 01:51:18 carter.openprojects.net has changed the topic to: Crowd around, and prod wmf until he reveals his new secret project! Revel in the wonderment - the next Ginger? 01:51:27 lol 01:51:36 better than Ginger! 01:51:44 Oooh. 01:51:46 ooh, this one flies, does it? 01:53:58 BTW, I'm afraid all #swhack utterances are legally binding. If your project does not end up as being "better than Ginger", per your quote, then #swhack reserves the right to sue the crap out of you. Sorry, I didn't make the rules (Aaron did! blame Aaron!) 01:54:18 Wait a second, when'd I make that rule? 01:54:23 * wmf has the dirt on AaronSw anyway 01:54:34 I don't have any dirt. 01:54:45 Except for the stuff on wmf. 01:55:07 I have this cool movie of him waving his head around going "pundit!" 01:55:16 I'm going to loop it and use it as blackmail. 01:55:17 heh 01:55:49 by sending it in the post, a frame at a time? 01:55:56 heh heh heh. 01:56:22 maybe I'll find the header of a QuickTime movie in my bed 01:56:29 lol 02:00:50 What I can't believe is that Steve Jobs saw Ginger and said "they'll rebuild cities around this" 02:01:11 hey, he thought people woulg buy the Cube 02:01:27 fair enough 02:03:09 I just realized that "roxio" sounds like skript-kiddie-speak 02:03:40 .nickometer roxio 02:03:41 roxio has 0% lameness 02:03:55 xena seems to think that it 02:03:58 Grpgrpgh 02:04:05 that it's O.K., but nota bene:- 02:04:11 .nickometer xena 02:04:11 xena has 0% lameness 02:04:17 It's clearly fucked 02:04:29 yeah 02:08:37 * sbp suspects it simply counts the amount of capitals and digits. It needs to check against dictionaries for substitutions of "z" for plural "s", and so on, to be really good 02:13:43 tansaku, Metcalfe said that the big IT is something other than the Segway... so who knows 02:18:45 Nah, I think that Segway is it. IT, even 02:45:03 xena has quit () 02:45:51 segway? 02:46:24 segway.com 02:59:55 sbp has quit (Killed (NickServ (Ghost: SeanP!~sean@m701-mp1-cvx3b.pop.ntl.com))) 03:00:10 sbp (~sean@m701-mp1-cvx3b.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack 03:01:20 xena (xena@mewtwo.espnow.com) has joined #swhack 03:01:21 oh right, so Segway is the official name for Ginger - to live in the darkness of japanese media ... 03:01:33 darkness? 03:04:25 well I'm not constantly bombarded by English language news of all kinds - so I am blissfully unaware that Ginger is being marketed by Segway - if in the US I assume I would have heard it on the news 03:04:36 Web 03:05:06 xena has quit (Client Quit) 03:05:59 sure - but I spend my time on the web looking at stuff that's not in the news 03:05:59 anyways- Aaron can I ask you a question about RDF? 03:05:59 <_xena_> _xena_ (xena@mewtwo.espnow.com) has joined #swhack 03:06:23 or perhap I should ask you in rdfig? 03:07:09 either one 03:34:34 sbp has quit (Killed (NickServ (Ghost: SeanP!~sean@m12-mp1-cvx4c.pop.ntl.com))) 03:34:49 SeanP (~sean@m12-mp1-cvx4c.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack 03:35:56 SeanP has quit (Client Quit) 03:36:08 sbp (~sean@m12-mp1-cvx4c.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack 03:46:15 sbp has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03:47:59 sbp (~sean@m715-mp1-cvx3b.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack 03:57:33 hazmat has quit ("Client Exiting") 03:59:27 hazmat (~ender@adsl-66-123-57-58.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net) has joined #swhack 04:01:52 * AaronSw disconnects 04:02:20 * AaronSw reconnects 04:14:25 Whatd'ya think of the new homepage design, then? 04:16:50 Ooh, neat. 04:17:14 your random thoughts are so random 04:17:28 Hooray! 04:20:20 no cite for the Morbus quote? 04:20:39 I feel so left out. You mention Morbus, but not me. 04:20:46 Heh, heh, heh 04:21:02 I cite you enough everywhere else :-) 04:21:15 Pah. 04:21:18 And in real life, most of my sentences start with "Well, Aaron says..." 04:21:26 lol 04:22:33 Sometimes I get worried about citing you too much. 04:22:45 me too 04:23:11 about citing me, that is. I'm always citing myself, and I'm worried that I'll end up like you 04:23:48 Heh, no I do wonder about quoting you. And Dan and Tim to a lesser extent 04:24:02 You're just all so great at little quotable notables 04:24:38 I could put up an entire page of Aaron quotes, and link to that. I'm sure it wouldn't take much work to produce it 04:24:54 Heh, DanC really is. 04:28:04 Altho I do get worried when you say things by quoting yourself. 04:28:27 "Like this"? 04:30:12 doo doot 04:30:34 sbp has quit (Ping timeout: 181 seconds) 04:30:52 sbp (~sean@m726-mp1-cvx3b.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack 04:31:20 At one point, the navbar did read: disobey.com | aaronsw.com | Homer 04:32:00 But I thought better of it... you guys get enough people linking to you as it is :-) 04:32:28 we really need .googleresults or something 04:33:24 * AaronSw disconnects 04:33:24 * AaronSw reconnects 04:41:12 sbp has quit (Ping timeout: 181 seconds) 04:51:42 SeanP (~sean@m729-mp1-cvx3b.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack 04:52:11 CWM churns... 04:52:14 SeanP is now known as sbp 04:53:11 and a new CWM generated homepage is uploaded to the Web 04:53:11 technology can be great sometimes 04:53:19 Automation is fun! 04:53:22 I now quote you just a couple of times; you made me feel guilty ya little bugger, even though you don't quote or otherwise mention me at all on your homepage 04:53:30 Heh heh heh. 04:53:40 that can be changed.. 04:53:44 [[[ 04:53:44 I had this weird dream where I finally visited Sean one day, and I couldn't stand to talk to him face to face so we logged on to IRC to chat. - Aaron Swartz #swhack 2001-10-12 02:04:21 04:53:44 If you say what you mean rather than what you want done with it, you can repurpose it so much better - TimBL 04:53:45 It's as if I designed it -- they really did things Right. - Aaron Swartz #swhack 2001-10-07 21:00:43 04:53:47 ]]] - My Homepage 04:54:28 I was going to put in your quote about befunge, but it would have required to much background explanation 04:54:37 Which one was that? 04:54:39 I also liked the one about stopping people from talking 04:54:54 in fact, there were millllllions of the damn things; the choices were pretty arbitrary 04:54:56 How'd that go? 04:55:04 you said it 04:55:15 I need to remember more of my quotes, I guess. 04:55:50 And why are the attributions included in the "s? 04:56:00 2001-09-14.txt-22:14:01 It's b93 terrorism! 04:56:00 2001-09-14.txt-22:14:25 You couldn't possibly write an interpreter in Python -- your brain would explode. 04:56:25 Hee hee hee. 04:56:29 2001-10-18.txt-00:17:45 """In an editorial at Microsoft's site, Scott Culp, head of the company's Security Response Center, announced the initiative against what he called "information anarchy." """ 04:56:29 2001-10-18.txt-00:18:00 Yeah, people talking to each other is always bad. Better outlaw that. 04:56:40 :-) 04:56:55 That one was pretty serious, tho. 04:57:35 the attributions are marked up in ""... I'm not all that bothered, because and are so seriously and utterly fucked, no one cares about them anymore. Even WAI GL gave up 04:57:49 Wow. 04:58:10 yeah, it was shocking... there was a huge thread on "q", and the result was "oh man, this sucks" 04:58:22 I could have told them that ages ago.

sucks too 04:58:43 :-) 05:00:19 the problem with citing you and Morbus is that you rant on #swhack, which means I have to reference #swhack, which is bad because I like #swhack, and things I reference mean that I redirect a portion of the people who visit my page to swhack, and it means they'll start lurking on here, and that'll suck, and this is a huge run on sentence, and I appear to be quite good at them, and soon I'm going to pass the character lim 05:00:35 Heh heh heh. 05:00:50 Why does it suck if they lurk on here. 05:01:51 IMO, #swhack isn't a community free-for-all intellectual orgy 05:10:46 Oh. 05:29:09 wmf has quit ("wmf has no reason") 05:30:05 Oh? 05:31:09 I didn't know that. 05:31:37 It's not a rule. I just pulled it out of... well, thin air 05:32:12 Heh, it's just me. I don't like it when cool things change. #swhack is a cool thing; I don't want it to jump the shark 05:33:19 Yep, I'm sort of worried about all the people in here. 05:33:54 we could ban the non-essentials: tav, em, tav`, tav`` 05:34:00 tav`` 05:34:01 tav``` 05:34:04 worried about these people? Oh, heh... 05:34:43 Alright, I'm being fecky 05:34:55 Not really. 05:44:14 top secret 05:44:18 aargh, no, please don't boot me out! I'll be good! 05:44:26 1... 05:44:30 it's no point making it top secret when you just do... 05:44:33 .google swhack 05:44:34 <_xena_> swhack: http://blogspace.com/swhack/weblog 05:44:40 Hah, that's our weblog 05:44:44 they'll never find t he channel 05:44:58 all they have to do is chop the "weblog" off 05:45:01 shuddup 05:45:15 :-) 05:45:16 The point is, they need to be at least cool enough to know about the word "swhack". 05:45:31 this'll keep us out of the OPN channel listings. 05:45:42 so people doing /list *hack* don't find us 05:45:53 or have visited one of the sites that link to swhack... the whole discussion point is whether or not I should link to swhack 05:46:06 lol @ /list *hack* 05:46:23 Hmm, an interesting conundrum 05:47:00 logster, grep I'm logging. I found 1 answer for ' 0) 2001-12-12 05:47:00 logster, grep * sbp taps things... 05:48:05 * sbp whistles a bit 05:48:05 cup of tea, Aaron? 05:48:05 hmm 05:48:31 are you trying to recall the guy who had his mind blown by the fact that we log all of this? 05:48:44 l00s3r (~l00ser@xcdfddb76.ip.ggn.net) has joined #swhack 05:48:49 hey d00ds! 05:49:09 h0w's 1t g01ng 05:49:27 i h3ard th3re w3r3 some c00l crackz here fr0m my pal GabeW! 05:49:35 uh oh 05:49:43 wut???? 05:49:59 Aaron, tip. When you come on with an alternate nick, change your name from "Aaron Swartz", 'cause it's a bit of a giveaway 05:50:14 I would, but my stupid client won't really let me. 05:50:31 h3 n0tic3d!!! 05:50:34 yeah, sorry l00s3r 05:50:46 Heh, heh, heh 05:50:52 0h w3ll 05:51:06 l00s3r has quit (Client Quit) 05:51:29 I wonder what our most common phrase is? 05:51:36 the 05:51:47 oh, yeah we often sit there and go:- 05:51:47 lines ending in ' 05:51:48 the 05:52:03 "Aaron, how are you today?" 05:52:05 "the" 05:52:06 the is a phrase. you said phrase, not line. 05:52:14 lol 05:52:24 "the" is a word! not a phrase, surely? 05:52:31 .google phrase definition 05:52:32 <_xena_> phrase definition: http://englishplus.com/grammar/00000014.htm 05:52:34 it's a one-word phrase 05:52:49 no way nark: "A phrase is a group of words acting as a single part of speech and not containing both a subject and a verb." 05:53:06 group of words. One word is not a group 05:53:14 It's a one-member group! 05:53:20 Haven't you studied Group Theory? 05:53:55 ah, but I take them to mean the colloquial sense of the word, which simply means [ > 1 ] . 05:54:35 .google site:englishplus.com group definition 05:54:36 <_xena_> site:englishplus.com group definition: http://englishplus.com/grammar/00000008.htm 05:54:56 cool, that wasn't relevent 05:55:39 ugh. We digress too much. What were we talking about? 05:55:55 l00sers in #swhack 05:55:59 ah, yes 05:56:05 I dunno, sometimes I worry about the logs being embarassing. 05:56:19 But I can't bring myself to censor them. 05:56:22 so, in conclusion, let me state that l00sers are most welcome in #swhack. Oh, no... that's not right 05:56:31 oh, wow! kick-ass! 05:56:45 What? 05:57:02 You find the logs kinda-embarrasing. Phew 05:57:15 Why? Were you working hard on that? 05:57:41 no, I just thought you were Mr. "I don't say embarrasing things", and it's true... 05:57:52 Oh, I didn't say anything embarassing. 05:57:55 Other people do. 05:58:25 yeah, that's what I mean. But you still accept that they're embarrasing... which is good because it goes a bit against your "every bit is scared" thingy 05:58:35 Whoa, Gemenids in 23 hours. 05:58:42 stamp out abuse of the word "bit" 05:58:53 It doesn't go against that at all. 05:58:56 not to be confused with genids 05:58:57 I didn't say all bits were public. 05:59:02 ooh, that's a good point. 'night of the 14th here, isn't it? 05:59:03 heh heh, deltab 06:00:44 or 15th? 06:00:44 jusy stay up all night like tav` 06:00:45 * sbp greps the logs... 06:00:45 hey, buddy... 06:00:45 .time 06:00:45 <_xena_> 2001/12/12 06:01:39.7662 Universal 06:00:45 yeah. 06:00:45 :-) 06:00:45 well, it's... 06:00:45 @293, ok 06:00:47 Can we have a "year" function in grep for next year? 06:01:02 Hmm, ask dajobe 06:01:08 ah, @293... must use Swatch beats, since their name is so close to #swhack 06:01:28 .function .beats n=time.gmtime(); print int(math.floor((n[3]*3600+n[4]*60+n[5]+(60*60))/86.4)) 06:01:35 xena needs to be smarter. 06:01:54 sbp: windows man 06:02:08 pardon me? 06:06:16 .rehash 06:06:24 xena is ignoring me 06:06:40 me too... 06:06:49 .google test 06:06:51 <_xena_> test: http://www.test.com 06:07:42 .beats 06:08:31 .py """Swatch beats script"""; import math, time; n=time.gmtime(); print int(math.floor((n[3]*3600+n[4]*60+n[5]+(60*60))/86.4)) 06:08:43 hmm 06:09:02 I don't even get a "fuck you, you didn't log in". And I did log in, anyway... 06:09:13 Yeah... 06:09:19 time for a reboot, I guess. 06:09:31 <_xena_> _xena_ has quit () 06:10:03 xena (xena@mewtwo.espnow.com) has joined #swhack 06:10:05 .beats 06:10:14 hmmph 06:10:22 .py """Swatch beats script"""; import math, time; n=time.gmtime(); print int(math.floor((n[3]*3600+n[4]*60+n[5]+(60*60))/86.4)) 06:10:35 .acronym suck 06:10:36 suck: 06:10:46 hmm 06:12:46 .help beats 06:12:47 usage: beats 06:12:48 - returns the time in Swatch .beats. 06:12:51 weird 06:13:04 .beats 06:13:13 [[[ 06:13:13 *** AaronSw has left #rdfig 06:13:14 [off] Now that the old man's gone, we can swear, and throw parties, and get drunk! 06:13:16 ]]] - #rdfig 06:13:20 I saw. 06:13:26 xena sees all. :-) 06:13:35 oh, you smegwaddle 06:13:39 :-) 06:13:42 mwahaha 06:14:05 * sbp looks over his shoulder... am going to have nightmares that Aaron is spying on me 06:15:53 heh 06:16:14 .beats the **** out of me 06:16:20 heh heh 06:16:57 sbp is such a useless channel since you banned me from it. 06:17:04 err #sbp 06:17:43 once I get a signed apology for buggering my bots, and a promise never to do it again... :-) 06:18:04 You should fix your bugs if you don't want to be buggered. 06:18:05 it was a useless channel before I banned you from it, too 06:18:21 Well, now it's referenced from your website. 06:18:30 heh, it was quite useful... but the kicking thing was rather harsh 06:18:33 what is? 06:18:40 ah, right 06:18:47 why was it useful? 06:19:10 yeah, but no one will come online to chat to me. They'd be nuts. They'd chat you you though, which is the fear with #swhack 06:19:23 they chat you you all the time 06:19:32 i wonder what happens if i shrink the limit below 10 06:19:43 now no one can join 06:19:51 now no one can leave 06:19:55 who? 06:19:59 mwahaha 06:20:05 *** AaronSw has set the channel mode to "limit 1" 06:20:09 for those of you at home 06:20:42 try it, try it! 06:20:52 I did. 06:20:58 try leaving and coming back in 06:21:11 "The channel is full" 06:21:22 *** AaronSw has set the channel mode to "limit 11" 06:21:25 gooooo on! I can sense that you want to. Push the button, push it, I say! 06:21:26 l00s3r (~l00ser@xcdfddb76.ip.ggn.net) has joined #swhack 06:21:35 hee hee 06:21:49 chumpster has quit (Remote closed the connection) 06:21:54 hmm 06:21:55 * sbp is trying to compose a nice little tune in regular tuning here... not going all that well 06:21:57 chumpster (~chumpster@xcdfddb76.ip.ggn.net) has joined #swhack 06:21:58 l00s3r has left #swhack 06:22:29 we could always moderate the channel 06:23:13 hee hee 06:23:26 i better stop 06:23:37 so, it's the last one standing... interesting 06:23:51 ooh, big lag 06:24:21 ok, i better sleep 06:24:57 nite all 06:25:00 me too 06:25:02 c'ya 06:25:52 nite 06:27:31 sbp has quit (Ping timeout: 181 seconds) 06:52:32 * AaronSw disconnects 07:05:51 xena has quit () 07:06:26 xena (xena@mewtwo.espnow.com) has joined #swhack 08:14:37 GabeW (~gwachob@12.236.92.153) has joined #swhack 08:55:28 GabeW has quit ("Client Exiting") 09:57:45 em has quit (Ping timeout: 181 seconds) 10:01:42 em (~em@dhcp065-024-049-132.columbus.rr.com) has joined #swhack 10:51:24 tansaku has quit (Ping timeout: 181 seconds) 12:23:17 tansaku (~sam@n146-031.tokyu-net.catv.ne.jp) has joined #swhack 14:28:19 Morbus (~Morbus@morbus.totalnetnh.net) has joined #swhack 15:43:39 hellooo, new york! 15:48:06 well, jeez, guess i have anthrax today. 15:57:53 sniff. sniff. 15:57:56 i'm not loved. 15:58:02 i only wanted some companionship. 15:58:05 instead, i get xena. 15:58:22 .google looking for love in all the wrong places. 15:58:24 looking for love in all the wrong places.: http://www.shift.com/web/feature/feature001.asp 15:58:58 heh, heh! "Clara, the virtual "sextoon" from Pierre-Paul Renders's film Thomas in Love, is a computer generated woman. A three- dimensional virtual sex symbol designed specifically to turn men on. And, in the movie, to get Thomas off. " 15:59:50 sbp, you should definitely check this out. has agoraphobia in it too, apparently. 16:15:34 sbp (~sean@m806-mp1-cvx4c.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack 16:40:28 hey sbpster. 16:40:41 i've bene lonely without you. 16:40:52 Hi there 16:41:02 bene? 16:41:10 been, rather. 16:41:11 as in "molto bene?" 16:41:22 s/?"/"?/ 16:47:48 AaronSw` (root@mewtwo.espnow.com) has joined #swhack 16:47:59 i heard you all were lonely 16:48:09 uh huh! 16:50:26 aaaargh, it's the mustachioed AaronSw! 16:50:40 * sbp runs and hides 16:50:59 mwahaha 16:51:08 * sbp expects a showdown between the good and bad AaronSw's sometime 16:51:27 Like Spock! 16:51:36 |V| 16:51:41 live long! 16:51:54 hee hee hee 16:52:09 oOOh. 17:05:12 My standard speech on copyright: 17:05:15 Piracy is such a negative word! I mean, what we're really doing is sharing digital content. By copying bits, the owner loses nothing, and the world is better off. Are you going to tell me that sharing is the moral equivalent of attacking a ship? 17:05:16 Well, of course copyright still exists, and I'm very concerned about copyright. But I think we do need to have a national discussion about exactly how far copyright law extends. 17:05:16 Copyright law was originally invented to prevent people with printing presses from making rip-offs of books and things to get the money that would have gone to the authors. At the time, the public didn't care, since the only way they could copy books was by hand. Now times have changed, and anyone can make copies and the public needs to decide whether they want those rights back. 17:07:16 -- 17:07:37 sbp has quit (Ping timeout: 183 seconds) 17:07:52 Shoot, i was just about to ask sbp something 17:10:43 sbp (~sean@m379-mp1-cvx3b.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack 17:10:57 sbp, what do you think about that primer business 17:11:17 what about it? 17:11:28 can you make a telecon at that time? 17:11:41 Um... telecon? What time? 17:11:48 check your email 17:11:56 subject: rdf primer input 17:11:59 I did - I must have missed an email 17:12:35 Eric didn't mention anything about a Telecon that I know of 17:12:51 Well, he did on the telecon. 17:13:35 .time 17:13:36 2001/12/12 17:15:08.97055 Universal 17:13:39 Ah, fair enough 17:13:45 I wasn't on the telecon :-) 17:13:51 true, true 17:14:05 what's a telecon? 17:14:24 telephone conference 17:14:47 it's when we call each other and talk about you behind your back 17:15:18 phone, right? 17:15:23 yes 17:15:24 yep 17:15:31 often with an irc component 17:17:13 ERT do it by IRC only 17:19:38 Really? Hmm. 17:21:21 good thing i've xena there to spy on you 17:21:38 yes 17:27:15 xena has quit () 17:27:48 xena (xena@mewtwo.espnow.com) has joined #swhack 17:33:18 sbp has quit (Ping timeout: 181 seconds) 17:34:05 sbp (~sean@m508-mp1-cvx3b.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack 17:35:16 Morbus has left #swhack 17:40:57 * sbp still wondering how to do TestSubject 17:41:52 [ :testSubject ; :mime "text/xml" ] . is alright, but it's just all messed up. Silly Web architecture 17:42:43 i liked how it was before 17:42:52 :reprOf? 17:42:58 yeah 17:43:04 ZakimBot is so cool: http://www.w3.org/2001/11/zakim.html 17:43:15 yeah, me too, but XPointer is screwy 17:43:20 Zakim - yeah 17:43:57 You stole metadata! 17:44:04 AaronSw, sbp .. good for tomorrow. I'll reserve bridge and send details shortly. I'm out off office for next few hours in meeting, but will get back with you shortly. thanks in advance 17:44:11 * sbp jumps 17:44:23 Hi em... thanks 17:44:23 Great. 17:44:56 That metadata was public. 17:44:58 em leaked it. 17:45:03 heh, heh, heh 17:45:08 .google ZakimBot 17:45:10 no results found. 17:45:12 sbp, re suggestion on mu;tiple primers i think this is a good one, just not possible with only a single (overworked) contact :) 17:45:19 .google zakim irc 17:45:19 no results found. 17:45:20 * em leaks metadata all over the place :) 17:45:34 :-) 17:45:40 I guess you're allowed to, since you're the metadata king :-) 17:45:50 lol 17:45:50 see ya in a bit 17:45:55 c'ya 17:46:21 Actually Aaron, whilst you and I are here, we may as well chat about it 17:47:11 Oh. Perhaps it's just me here :-) 17:47:46 Heh. 17:47:54 * AaronSw` is busy signing up for the book deal 17:48:04 book deal? 17:48:22 see rdf-interest 17:48:27 no wait, don't 17:48:34 oh, heh, I already did that 17:50:35 sbp has quit (Ping timeout: 181 seconds) 17:51:16 sbp (~sean@m11-mp1-cvx4c.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack 17:52:53 Oh, wow! I've just found an earlier HTML document! 17:53:08 Incredible... 17:53:20 Where? 17:53:42 hang on, I'm just trying to work out the structure... 17:54:59 @ http://www.w3.org/History/19921103-hypertext/hypertext/WWW/Link.html 17:55:02 A: http://www.w3.org/History/19921103-hypertext/hypertext/WWW/Link.html from sbp 17:55:20 A:|Hypertext Links 17:55:21 titled item A 17:55:33 What's the date on that? 17:55:40 A::I'm pretty sure that this is the oldest HTML document in existence on the WWW, but I'm not sure how to get the date 17:55:41 commented item A 17:55:59 How do you know it's so old? The lack of HEAD tags? 17:56:33 A::cf. [http://infomesh.net/html/history/early/|Early History of HTML] 17:56:34 commented item A 17:56:47 Hang on... might be able to ask for chACLs on the dir... 17:57:12 Last-Modified: Tue, 13 Nov 1990 15:17:00 GMT 17:57:12 ETag: "2dc195-97-27400e6c" 17:57:22 wow, that is a while ago 17:57:49 heh, great! I was right! 17:58:03 A::From 1990-11-13! 17:58:04 commented item A 17:58:26 A::Last-Modified: Tue, 13 Nov 1990 15:17:00 GMT 17:58:27 commented item A 17:58:52 A::Confirmed by [http://www.w3.org/History/19921103-hypertext/hypertext/WWW/Link.html,headers|the headers] 17:58:53 commented item A 17:59:06 that can't be the oldest, then 17:59:21 since http://www.w3.org/History/19921103-hypertext/hypertext/Conferences/ECHT90/Standardisation.html is from the 3rd 17:59:39 3rd December, I think you'll find 17:59:50 oh, November! 17:59:56 Last-Modified: Mon, 03 Dec 1990 16:35:02 GMT 18:00:03 yes! A whole month before 18:00:04 Got you. 18:00:12 well, about 20 days 18:00:18 Heh, it's pretty funny that Steven Newcomb is a member of the first Web. 18:00:22 Did I mention this before? 18:00:22 """ 18:00:24 Steven R Newcombe 18:00:24 (Steve) Chairs the "HyTime" SGML committee standardising formats for exchange of hypermedia including media (such as music) with a time dimension. Unfortunately, Steve could not come due to a "last minute budget freeze". Florida State University , Center for Music Research, Tallahassee FL 32303 srn!cmr@bikini.cis.ufl.edu 18:00:25 """ 18:00:27 - http://www.w3.org/History/19921103-hypertext/hypertext/Conferences/ECHT90/People.html#newcombe 18:00:37 and now he's doing topic maps... 18:00:43 heh, weird 18:00:58 Jakob Nielsen was also there. 18:01:14 """ 18:01:15 Jakob Nielsen 18:01:15 Wrote the book "HyperText and HyperMedia", on sale at the conference. Also Email: neilsen@bellcore.com 18:01:15 Ia 18:01:15 """ 18:01:29 I guess they didn't have mailto back then. 18:02:14 A::Also [http://www.w3.org/History/1991-WWW-NeXT/Implementation/HyperText.m|HyperText.m]: """25 Sep 90 Written (TBL) with the help of the Interface builder.""" 18:02:32 Chumpster? 18:02:38 AaronSw: lucky them 18:02:44 Why? 18:02:48 They didn't have spam either. 18:03:23 A::Wow, Interface Builder sure has come a long way. Today it's being used to build [http://rdfweb.org/people/damian/2001/10/RDFAuthor/|RDFAuthor]! 18:03:45 commented item A 18:04:13 hmm, what's up with my server 18:04:16 heh, cool 18:04:29 yes, what is up with your server? it's down *again* 18:04:50 *sniff* don't yell at me! 18:05:17 commented item A 18:06:11 A::Thanks to [http://www.w3.org/History/1992/timbl-floppies/TimBerners-Lee_CERN/hype.tar.Z|hype.tar.Z] 18:06:12 commented item A 18:06:28 just fix it! 18:06:38 :-) 18:06:40 what am i supposed to do? 18:06:54 I dunno. Run up to it (yes, I know where it is) and kick it 18:07:33 it's back now, happy? 18:07:41 yes, thanks 18:07:46 * AaronSw reconnects 18:07:51 now, make sure it never happens again 18:08:35 sheesh 18:08:41 AaronSw` has quit ("what's his problem?") 18:08:41 make sure! 18:08:48 heh, heh 18:09:03 xena has quit () 18:09:22 I have the feeling someone is hammering my server. 18:10:06 xena (xena@mewtwo.espnow.com) has joined #swhack 18:10:57 yeah... 18:11:17 watching the logs scroll by like this is fun. 18:11:28 .dns 216.86.196.126 18:11:29 216.86.196.126 - adsl-gte-la-216-86-196-126.mminternet.com 18:11:42 .dns 63.102.48.145 18:11:43 63.102.48.145 - error: host not found 18:12:47 aha, i see what's wrong 18:13:42 xena has quit (Client Quit) 18:14:12 xena (xena@mewtwo.espnow.com) has joined #swhack 18:14:39 Aha! it's googlebot 18:14:50 where, where? 18:15:12 on my server 18:15:14 wtf is it doing? 18:15:18 - 18:15:18 googlebot is ~googlebot@24.80.11.149 * google bot 18:15:18 googlebot on #mandrake-linux 18:15:18 googlebot using irc.openprojects.net http://www.openprojects.net/ 18:15:18 googlebot has been idle 14secs, signed on Wed Dec 12 17:13:59 18:15:18 googlebot End of /WHOIS list. 18:15:20 - 18:15:28 oh, you mean the *other* googlebot 18:15:36 *** xena@esp (xena@irc.espnow.com) joins 18:15:44 *** Killarny@esp (killarny@mewtwo.espnow.com) joins 18:15:51 aaron, you here? 18:16:00 yep 18:16:06 ooh, freaky 18:16:08 I fixed the join/part commands 18:16:13 oh, thanks 18:16:16 I'm assuming thats why you restarted it before 18:16:20 yeah 18:16:29 good guess 18:16:45 heh I tried to use them too, and realized they were borked 18:17:10 Aaron probably borked it 18:17:11 ah 18:17:17 heh, no I did 18:17:17 no i didn't 18:17:22 there seem to be some other broken things too 18:17:24 like .py 18:17:34 .py print 'test' 18:17:34 test 18:17:35 .py 2 + 2 18:17:37 hmm. 18:17:39 never mind 18:17:51 I fixed lots of bugs 18:18:02 good 18:18:22 people keep hitting weird pages on my server like /semanticWeb/lcs/Edd 18:18:26 I didn't know about that one, specifically, but most bugs were because the module search paths were added to the sys.path list wrongly 18:18:32 aha 18:18:33 .dns 65.42.33.202 18:18:35 65.42.33.202 - adsl-65-42-33-202.dsl.sfldmi.ameritech.net 18:19:17 ^ amphetadesk user 18:19:17 who hits my site every freaking second 18:19:39 heh, cool 18:19:39 hmm need to make stuff the bot says relay too 18:19:39 yeah 18:19:39 * logster is already logging 18:19:40 and nick changes and QUITs 18:19:47 but be sure not to create an infinite loops 18:19:48 yeah 18:19:56 or have a bot that does just relaying 18:19:56 I need thread sync for that though 18:20:10 .beats 18:20:17 .py .py """Swatch beats script"""; import math, time; n=time.gmtime(); print int(math.floor((n[3]*3600+n[4]*60+n[5]+(60*60))/86.4)) 18:20:20 yeah, why doesn't that work? 18:20:35 heh: ".py .py". Don't cut 'n' paste, guys an' gals 18:21:07 hmm 18:21:51 Is there some bug on my website that causes people to hit crazy URLs like logicerror.com/W3C/semanticsOfTheWeb/w3c-meeting-2001-2/semanticsOfTheWeb ? 18:21:51 I think I'll work on thread sync later on 18:22:03 anyway, gotta go work on my resume 18:22:11 aha, there is a bug. 18:22:24 just wanted to let you know so you don't keep restarting the bot 18:22:31 thanks 18:22:35 :) cya 18:22:36 .status 18:22:36 server(s): 18:22:37 - irc.espnow.com:6667 - #esp, #esp-core, #espra, #google, #plex, #swhack, #xenadev 18:22:38 - stampede.org:6667 - #brits, #cnn_newsfeed, #erights, #esp, #espra, #freenet, #google, #infoanarchy, #openai, #p2p-hackers, #plex, #rdfig, #swhack, #syndic8, #validator, #world-relations, #zope 18:22:39 - chat1.cnn.com:6667 - #CNN_Newsfeed 18:22:40 - irc.w3.org:6665 - #er, #sw, #swad 18:22:41 module(s): 18:22:42 - execute, espra-alert, inet, isotime, seen, dict, esp_chanmon, temperature, autojoin, relay 18:22:42 the other thing was that it fell off of w3c 18:22:43 - inet2 18:22:44 command triggers: "['.']" - python triggers: "['x', '.py', '.python']" 18:22:46 base logfile: "/home/services/bots/xena/creature/creature.log" 18:22:48 but it seem to be back on now 18:22:48 started: 2001/12/12 18:15:25 - uptime: 8 min(s) 52 sec(s) 18:22:53 c'ya 18:23:00 I worked on the reconnection code a little too 18:23:05 oh, good 18:23:12 http://www.google.com/search?q=link%3Alogicerror.com%2FW3C%2FsemanticsOfTheWeb%2Fw3c-meeting-2001-2%2FsemanticsOfTheWeb 18:23:27 people are just nuts. You should have got that by now 18:23:29 give it a minute or two to reconnect - if it doesn't reconnect in 60 seconds, it's not working, and you'll have to restart it :) 18:23:41 heh 18:24:24 okay I'm off before it gets too late 18:24:33 *** Killarny@esp (killarny@mewtwo.espnow.com) parts 18:25:49 *** xena@esp (xena@irc.espnow.com) parts 18:38:17 * sbp wonders if there's a way to ban fragURIs in RDF 18:38:35 if we're using reprOf, making the range of it :URIResource would be cool 18:38:50 yeah 18:38:55 that'd be very cool 18:38:56 we can have fragment as a separate relationship coming off of the representation, then 18:39:03 exactly 18:39:26 we can just decree it in the specification... but I don't know how to it in RDF (except to use logic) 18:39:46 Hmm... it just won't work. Aargh, I think you're right! 18:40:35 Ooh, here's a solution that I was toying with... 18:40:53 with could redefine "http://example.org/#blargh" in RDF so that it isn't a fragURI at all 18:41:08 any time that you use that, you instead point to a special RDF QName 18:42:22 { ?x log:uri [ string:contains "#" ] } log:implies { ?x a :RDFQName; :resourse ; :name } . 18:43:21 Whatd'ya think of that, then? 18:43:56 cool 18:44:11 but i think the [ string:contains ] bit should be a universal. 18:44:34 and the afterhash bit should be in quotes, not <>s 18:44:43 but good idea 18:45:14 er, yep, my mistake 18:45:24 carter.openprojects.net has changed the topic to: Please stop hammering my server! 18:45:41 Heh, as soon as I change the topic I get hammered. 18:46:10 heh, heh, heh 18:46:57 { ?x log:uri [ string:contains "#" ]; log:racine ?y; log:fragment ?z } log:implies { ?x a :RDFQName; :resource ?y; :name ?z } . 18:47:43 { ?x log:uri ?u ; log:racine ?y; log:fragment ?z . ?u string:contains "#"} log:implies { ?x a :RDFQName; :resource ?y; :name ?z } . 18:48:11 er, no... I was correct 18:48:37 * sbp has used log/string enough times :-) 18:48:44 Hmm. 18:48:51 It seems to me that yours would never fire. 18:49:22 dunno, but that's the way it's done, I'm quite sure 18:49:32 [ string:contains "#" ] would boil down to #_v837 or something, which would never be the uri of ?x. 18:49:39 weird. 18:49:44 weird. 18:49:56 sure it would: something which is the URI of ?x 18:50:10 something which contains the string "#" 18:50:24 it's a test, rather than a query... 18:51:26 then I guess string is broken, since it'd need to know to merge the two... 18:51:26 which since it's an anonNode it can't. 18:51:29 * sbp doesn't think so. Seems quite standard to him 18:51:40 an anon-node is a variable, don't forget 18:51:51 What do you mean by that? 18:51:55 Break it down into triples: 18:52:14 ?x log:uri _:y . _:y string:contains "#" . 18:52:41 ?x log:uri "uri#a" . <#_fjs2> string:contains "#" . "uri#a" = <#_fjs2> . 18:52:44 "x" has the URI "y", for some value of "y". that same y contains "#" 18:53:00 the "for some value" is the important bit 18:53:16 oh, it must work because log:uri is a unique property 18:53:38 yeah 18:53:59 <#_fjs2> is bogus 18:54:01 use _:X 18:54:18 ok 18:54:48 anyway... talk about digression :-) 18:56:45 No, I'd prefer if we got back on the subject at hand. 18:56:52 heh, heh, heh 18:57:17 so 12 boston is 1 here? 18:57:31 I guess so 18:57:35 .time 18:57:35 2001/12/12 18:59:08.85103 Universal 18:57:38 .time cst 18:57:38 Dec. 12, 2001 12:59 pm US/Central 18:57:39 .time est 18:57:40 Dec. 12, 2001 1:59 pm US/Eastern 18:57:41 smeggle; Gotta run 18:57:44 c'ya 18:58:30 Weird, I can here my monitor hum at different frequencies when I adjust the brightness. 18:58:33 sbp has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18:58:47 so it'd be 11 to 12 19:43:41 GabeW (~gwachob@adsl-216-101-18-99.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) has joined #swhack 19:44:04 Hey GabeW. Dropped your attbi service? 19:45:05 oh no - I'm at my business partner's place 19:45:16 Ah. 19:45:18 we go over to each other's places and work from time totime 19:45:42 cheaper than having an office 19:45:56 yeah - we looked into that - just coudln't justify the cost 20:02:10 sbp (~sean@m334-mp1-cvx3b.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack 20:03:29 sbp has quit (Killed (NickServ (Ghost: SeanP!~sean@m346-mp1-cvx3b.pop.ntl.com))) 20:03:42 sbip, sbop, sbip, sbop 20:03:45 sbp (~sean@m346-mp1-cvx3b.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack 20:18:50 sbp has quit (Killed (NickServ (Ghost: SeanP!~sean@m65-mp1-cvx4c.pop.ntl.com))) 20:19:06 sbp (~sean@m65-mp1-cvx4c.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack 20:47:57 sbp has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20:49:10 sbp (~sean@m602-mp1-cvx3b.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack 20:49:18 wb 20:49:35 there, that wasn't so difficult 20:49:37 thanks 20:49:42 computer crashed, for the record 20:49:45 but mIRC prevailed! 20:50:57 I'm gonna get my monks to reboot my computer for me, when I win the lottery 20:51:05 heh heh 20:51:20 so, what'ya been up to? 20:51:22 how's Plex? 20:51:32 Ok, did you get my email on it? 20:51:32 how's the family? how' 20:51:38 how's life? how's tricks? 20:51:43 yes, I did 20:51:46 tricks? 20:51:57 it appears to be an English expression 20:52:13 "how's tricks". Doesn't even the conventional rules of grammar follow 20:52:31 not that we should let those little weenies push us about 20:52:52 it means "how are things?" 20:52:57 .google "how's tricks" 20:52:57 "how's tricks": http://www.k-hajime.com 20:54:51 ah: http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:pub55.ezboard.com/fwordoriginsorgfrm1.showMessage%3FtopicID%3D597.topic 20:57:17 Interesting. 20:58:03 Man, Microsoft software seems to be 90% off at MIT. 20:58:34 weird stuff: http://pub55.ezboard.com/fwordoriginsorgfrm1.showMessage?topicID=1308.topic 21:01:01 .query sbp 21:01:04 oops 21:01:20 Erm... 21:01:29 .wn sbp 21:05:23 .e sbp 21:05:23 sbp: http://purl.org/net/sbp/ 21:05:27 :-) 21:05:33 .e aaronsw 21:05:37 .e AaronSw 21:05:37 error: Site Error occurred: UnboundLocalError 21:05:41 lol 21:05:46 .google aaron 21:05:47 aaron: http://www.aaronsw.com 21:05:50 :-) 21:05:52 Pff 21:05:57 .google sean 21:05:57 sean: http://singbluesilver.manilasites.com 21:16:42 Morbus (~Morbus@morbus.totalnetnh.net) has joined #swhack 21:17:17 who is hammering who's server? 21:17:33 you, me 21:17:41 um. 21:17:58 well, not you specifically, but the evil AmphetaDesk virus you unleashed into the wild. 21:18:04 tav` has quit ("Hakuna Matata") 21:19:21 heh, heh, heh 21:19:42 what's up with this? googlebot is still hitting these crazy pages. 21:19:50 it's like it doesn't understand relative links or something 21:20:35 first rule of site maintainance: let the Googlebot pass safetly in its journey, and all shall be well 21:20:49 heh, there's a whole googlebot.com 21:21:17 just redirects to google.com, though 21:23:24 GabeW has quit ("Client Exiting") 21:27:36 Aaaaaah, N3: http://www.w3.org/2001/Talks/10-earl/slide5-0.html 21:27:50 Cool! 21:36:54 Google has hit my site about 6100 times today, and it hasn't let up yet. 21:37:06 ooh, wow 21:50:48 Morbus has left #swhack 21:52:10 Take action: http://www.aclu.org/action/attorney107.html 21:52:24 stop Ashcroft's theft of civil liberties 21:54:59 Gotta run 21:55:02 bye 21:55:06 sbp has quit ("Homer: 20 dollars? I wanted a peanut!") 22:51:55 Neat: http://ftp3.userland.com/ftpTest/Lawrence/2001/12/11.html#a330 22:55:36 Wow, Google can see into the future. Look at this: 22:55:37 logicerror.com/ - 3k - Fresh! 10 Mar 2009 22:57:46 from the second to last hit on http://www.google.com/search?q=swhack 22:58:07 sbp (~sean@m206-mp1-cvx4c.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack 22:58:44 hey sbp. new cool google features: 22:58:57 it grabs pages so fast that it gets copies from the future. 22:59:06 see the logs 22:59:33 Um... 22:59:50 GabeW (~gwachob@12.236.92.153) has joined #swhack 23:00:33 the logs won't load 23:00:44 hmm 23:01:05 it's been like this for a few days now 23:01:14 the logs are working 23:01:20 maybe it's your computer 23:02:03 ah, here we go 23:02:35 oh, neat 23:03:00 to confirm:- 23:03:01 [[[ 23:03:02 LogicError 23:03:02 ... You might also be interested in the #swhack Chatlogs where I paste in 23:03:02 links I really should be adding to this site. How do you do it? ... 23:03:02 logicerror.com/ - 3k - Fresh! 10 Mar 2009 - Cached - Similar pages 23:03:07 ]]] - http://www.google.com/search?q=swhack 23:08:12 Google responds: "Thanks for sending this. There were rumors of this happening, but I don't know if anyone had an actual example." 23:08:35 Hey, neat 23:11:07 Morbus (~Morbus@s93.terminal3.totalnetnh.net) has joined #swhack 23:15:56 * Morbus honks his nose like a Sesame Street character. 23:16:20 * AaronSw cowers in fear 23:16:48 better link for above: http://radio.weblogs.com/0001013/2001/12/11.html#a330 23:16:57 what's this? 23:17:07 new google feature 23:18:54 i have so much crap to do, its pathetic. 23:19:28 funny - disobey's the horror section was used in some research paper. 23:19:38 thats the second time i know of disobey being used in a college paper 23:19:56 and i know one teacher was using disobey as an example of good design. or something. i don't remember 23:21:12 Cool. 23:21:29 I think there are a couple of teachers who cited syndicateYourPage as an example for some XML thing. 23:21:42 kickass. 23:24:25 wow. neat. the new proteus hooks into jabber 23:27:40 Morbus has quit ("http://www.disobey.com/")