IRC log of swhack on 2001-12-09

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00:14:13 [oierw]
AaronSw: i mailed you a package today containing a book
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ooh!
00:28:11 [sbp]
cwm --rdf http://www.cs.umd.edu/projects/plus/DAML/onts/personal1.0.daml --n3 surf.n3 --think > pub.n3
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02:18:21 [sbp]
big minutes: http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/2001/12/05-minutes
02:29:40 [sbp]
heh, Nick: "Ah, yes, we were making a hash of it"
02:33:01 [AaronSw]
hi all
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02:36:42 [AaronSw]
wb
02:36:46 [sbp]
ty
02:36:57 [AaronSw]
at
02:37:26 [sbp]
tanu
02:37:45 [AaronSw]
??
02:37:51 [sbp]
that's a new one
02:37:58 [sbp]
s/u/o/
02:38:06 [AaronSw]
ah
02:38:09 [sbp]
(Standard Upper Ontology)
02:38:17 [AaronSw]
heh
02:38:19 [AaronSw]
at -> any time
02:38:35 [sbp]
yeah, I guessed that after about 10 seconds
02:39:11 [sbp]
So... You like chat?
02:39:53 [AaronSw]
Hmm?
02:40:22 [sbp]
You like chat? Me talkee no good English - bad bad
02:40:32 [AaronSw]
Ah, see good.
02:40:50 [AaronSw]
Ruby read you much too!
02:41:19 [sbp]
I did sure (and only a few of the lines at that)
02:41:49 [AaronSw]
@ http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0312862075/coolbooks02
02:41:54 [chumpster]
A: Amazon.com: Explore similar items from AaronSw
02:42:02 [AaronSw]
A:|Amazon.com: True Names
02:42:02 [chumpster]
titled item A
02:42:17 [AaronSw]
A::After about 3 years of waiting, Amazon finally is shipping this book!
02:42:17 [chumpster]
commented item A
02:42:39 [AaronSw]
A::Unfortunately, it's too late. I already got a copy off of Mojo Nation. ;-)
02:42:40 [chumpster]
commented item A
02:44:24 [sbp]
heh, heh, heh
02:46:15 [AaronSw]
I'm actually serious on that point.
02:46:28 [AaronSw]
I cleaned it up somewhat and put it on my site.
02:46:36 [sbp]
Uh huh
02:55:04 [sbp]
* sbp cleans up the EARL 1.0 test specification
02:55:21 [sbp]
I'm wondering how to capture threading in EARL; if it's even necessary, etc.
02:55:48 [sbp]
also, we need to be able to point to very discrete things... precision is critical
02:56:12 [AaronSw]
threading?
02:56:30 [AaronSw]
How'd Danbri get into Ruby?
02:56:39 [sbp]
yes: how to say that you're evaluating the "same thing"
02:56:44 [AaronSw]
Boy, Ruby sure looks like Python... but without the colons
02:56:45 [sbp]
DanBri: no idea whatsoever
02:56:48 [AaronSw]
sbp, equivalentTo?
02:57:11 [sbp]
no, it's not equivalentTo, because the content has changed... that's the point
02:57:21 [sbp]
for example you might say "this was broken, now it's fixed"
02:57:39 [sbp]
those are two different resources (one is a :Broken, the other is a :Fixed)
02:57:47 [sbp]
but the author may regard them as not being so
02:57:54 [sbp]
The basic model is: :Assertor earl:asserts { :SomeResource earl:passes :SomeTest } .
02:58:21 [sbp]
let's say that the Assertor is the author of :SomeResource, and it doesn't comply to WCAG 1.0
02:58:26 [sbp]
it'd be...
02:58:42 [sbp]
:Assertor earl:asserts { :SomeResource earl:fails :WCAG10 } .
02:58:49 [sbp]
then he fixes the page
02:58:59 [sbp]
:Assertor earl:asserts { :SomeNewResource earl:passes :WCAG10 } .
02:59:09 [AaronSw]
Aha.
02:59:25 [AaronSw]
:SomeNewResource :previousVersion :SomeResource .
02:59:25 [sbp]
now, he wants to say, the "general thing" identified in :SomeResource is the same as in :SomeNewResource
02:59:37 [sbp]
well, that was one of quite a few suggestions, yes
03:00:01 [sbp]
I also suggested a DAML List: (:SomeResource :SomeNewResource) a earl:Thread .
03:00:11 [sbp]
but now I think that's unecessary
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03:01:05 [sbp]
because an EARL TestSubject (the subject in the formula) is actually comprised (as per your suggestion!) of a resource, and a date or some other disambiguating property
03:01:16 [AaronSw]
:-)
03:01:23 [AaronSw]
I don't like the list idea.
03:01:28 [sbp]
so it's quite easy to do the logic on the following:-
03:01:57 [sbp]
:SomeResource :resource <http://example.org/">http://example.org/>; :date "2001-10" . :SomeNewResource :resource <http://example.org/>; :date "2001-11" .
03:02:24 [sbp]
list idea: well, you're probably right
03:02:41 [AaronSw]
Yeah, doing inferences on the dates would be even better:
03:02:45 [sbp]
it's difficult to construct a list automatically
03:03:57 [AaronSw]
{ ?x :resource ?uri ; :date ?date . ?y :resource ?uri ; :date ?date2 . ?date :laterThan ?date2 .} => { ?x :previousVersion ?y } .
03:04:09 [AaronSw]
and make laterThan a cwm builtin
03:07:01 [sbp]
well, you want to *filter* out all of the previous versions. { ?x :resource ?u; :date :d2 . ?y :resource ?u; :date ?d2 . ?d1 :laterThan ?d2 } log:implies { ?y :resource ?u; :date ?d2 } .
03:07:49 [sbp]
that'd only work for two things, though... not sure how you'd get the "latest" property
03:07:49 [sbp]
s/property/value/
03:08:16 [sbp]
er the first d2:-
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s/d2/d1/
03:08:28 [sbp]
oh, let me do that again
03:08:41 [sbp]
{ ?x :resource ?u; :date :d1 . ?y :resource ?u; :date ?d2 . ?d1 :laterThan ?d2 } log:implies { ?y :resource ?u; :date ?d1 } .
03:09:32 [sbp]
note that we use "testSubject" at the moment instead of resource. I'm thinking of calling it resource... but actually, that's wrong
03:10:04 [sbp]
the resource at time a should be the same as at time a'
03:10:04 [sbp]
it really means the representation of
03:10:04 [sbp]
:reprOf
03:10:32 [sbp]
ah, that's perfect!
03:10:47 [sbp]
:MyPageInOct earl:reprOf <http://example.org/>; earl:date "2001-10" .
03:11:12 [sbp]
then you can add additional facets such as content negotiation, and so on
03:11:13 [sbp]
:MyPageInOct earl:reprOf <http://example.org/>; earl:date "2001-10"; dc:format "text/html"; :language "en" .
03:12:21 [sbp]
the problem then is that: earl:reprOf rdfs:domain :WebContent .
03:12:52 [sbp]
it's a physical bag of bytes (well, I should go through the UAAG terminology for that)
03:13:34 [sbp]
but in EARL, we want to be able to assess tools as well. Ah, then you just leave the earl:reprOf bit out
03:13:59 [sbp]
we can set a cardinality restriction on the earl:WebContent class so that it must have exactly one "reprOf" arc coming off of it. That makes a lot of sense
03:15:24 [sbp]
O.K., so, changes:-
03:15:33 [sbp]
* Remove testSubject
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* Add reprOf
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* Set cardinality restriction on WebContent to have 1 and only 1 reprOf
03:16:52 [sbp]
* Add conneg and langneg (?)
03:16:52 [sbp]
* Add isDefinedBy arcs
03:20:08 [sbp]
Now, do we want to give an arc for earl:Tool/earl:UA etc. that gives more information/download etc.?
03:20:16 [sbp]
s/an arc/some arcs/
03:21:32 [AaronSw]
Hmm.
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anyone around? need a quick question / answer
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03:23:08 [AaronSw]
hmm
03:23:16 [AaronSw]
i'm around but morb's not
03:23:25 [sbp]
heh, heh, heh; me too
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03:25:32 [AaronSw]
ruby is so like python
03:26:14 [AaronSw]
Wow, this is dumb: German government plans to ban Net-porn except from 11 pm - 6am
03:27:07 [AaronSw]
Odd.
03:27:34 [sbp]
lol!
03:27:49 [sbp]
really?
03:28:05 [sbp]
that's one of the silliest things ever decided, if so
03:28:20 [AaronSw]
Yeah, according to the "Financial Times Deutschland"
03:28:57 [deltab]
heh: >all such content is banned from 11 p.m. until 6 a.m.
03:29:14 [sbp]
source?
03:29:25 [AaronSw]
http://www.ftd.de/pw/de/FTDPRAR3MUC.html
03:29:32 [AaronSw]
and http://www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/politik/0,1518,170361,00.html
03:29:33 [sbp]
thanks
03:29:44 [AaronSw]
it's from a recent RISKS, too lazy to grab the url now
03:32:07 [sbp]
heh: "Wir können nicht alle Inhalte im Netz überprüfen", sagte Arthur Waldenberger, Vorstand der Freiwilligen Selbstkontrolle Multimedia (FSM). Das sei angesichts Milliarden von Seiten "Schwachsinn".
03:32:28 [AaronSw]
I'm sure that'd be quite funny if I understood it.
03:32:51 [sbp]
"We can monitor the entire network", said some guy. In the view of millions, that's "utter stupidity".
03:33:24 [AaronSw]
Heh heh heh.
03:34:27 [sbp]
DISCLAIMER: sbp does not vouch for the accuracy of his translations. For all you know, it could be discussing tax rises for farm animals
03:34:41 [AaronSw]
Heh heh heh.
03:35:24 [sbp]
oh, heh, I did mistranslate it. *nicht* alle: not all
03:36:03 [sbp]
still makes sense 'though
03:39:05 [sbp]
* sbp should stick to Welsh
03:42:01 [sbp]
Well, really, I should hack on EARL more :-)
03:46:27 [AaronSw]
:-)
03:47:29 [AaronSw]
bbl, gingerbread
03:47:45 [sbp]
c'ya
03:48:15 [sbp]
Hmm... UAAG makes the distinction between document, and the document object; the difference being that the document object is the thing that User Agent represents
03:49:22 [sbp]
I think that all EARL claims are going to be made about the code, surely? if you have an event in the browser document object (changing the rendering or whatever), then there must be a piece of addressable code that you can annotate and say "this is good/sucky, because xyz"
03:49:43 [sbp]
IOW, the "Document Source"
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@ http://www.spaceweather.com/meteors/geminids/observingtips.html
04:26:50 [chumpster]
B: http://www.spaceweather.com/meteors/geminids/observingtips.html from AaronSw
04:27:13 [AaronSw]
B:|Geminid Observing Tips: Dec. 13-14, 2001
04:27:14 [chumpster]
titled item B
04:30:17 [sbp]
B::Great!
04:30:18 [chumpster]
commented item B
04:34:17 [AaronSw]
B::See also the very neat [Heavens-Above|http://www.heavens-above.com/].
04:34:19 [chumpster]
commented item B
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B::Yes, heavens-above is an absolutely excellent site, highly recommended. I signed up for it a while ago, and they offer a wonderful service [Dec. 2001]
04:36:21 [chumpster]
commented item B
04:37:13 [AaronSw]
What do you get for signing up?
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04:41:10 [AaronSw]
What do you get for signing up?
04:42:29 [sbp]
access to the site!
04:43:31 [sbp]
[[[
04:43:32 [sbp]
<sbp> you have to log in and tell it exactly where you are for it to work, of course
04:43:32 [sbp]
<sbp> otherwise, it can't compute the data for you
04:43:32 [sbp]
<sbp> I'm typing in what appears to be the wrong window
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]]] - #rdfig
04:43:40 [AaronSw]
I see.
04:43:43 [AaronSw]
:-)
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nite all
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grr!
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16:35:52 [AaronSw]
.acronym yafap
16:35:59 [AaronSw]
hi sbp
16:36:13 [sbp]
Hi there Aaron
16:36:27 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw tries to convince danbri to switch to Python
16:36:51 [sbp]
heh, heh
16:40:06 [carter.openprojects.net]
carter.openprojects.net has changed the topic to: swhack: An apparently artful arena, and an amazing Aaron
16:41:01 [AaronSw]
Awww, thanks
16:41:18 [sbp]
:-)
16:41:33 [AaronSw]
@ http://dev.zope.org//Wikis/DevSite/Projects/ComponentArchitecture/Zope3DiscussionSummaries
16:41:35 [chumpster]
C: Zope3DiscussionSummaries of ComponentArchitecture from AaronSw
16:41:52 [AaronSw]
C:|Summary of Zope3 Development
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titled item C
16:42:07 [sbp]
You, sniffing around Zope lists?
16:42:34 [AaronSw]
C::[Zope Q&A|http://lists.zope.org/pipermail/zope-dev/2001-December/014313.html]: "Zope 3X is Zope rebuilt from the ground up, applying the lessons learned from Zope 2 and CMF."
16:42:35 [chumpster]
commented item C
16:42:45 [AaronSw]
I figure as long as they're rewriting, i might as well give them a piece of my mind!
16:44:06 [AaronSw]
C::A big part seems to be the [ComponentArchitecture|http://dev.zope.org/Wikis/DevSite/Projects/ComponentArchitecture/VisionStatement].
16:44:07 [chumpster]
commented item C
16:44:36 [sbp]
heh, heh
16:46:16 [AaronSw]
C::Which seems to be related to [Interfaces|http://dev.zope.org/Wikis/DevSite/Projects/ComponentArchitecture/ZopeInterfaces] which I think are a really stupid idea. Interfaces should be derived from the implementation, not from needlessly duplicated code.
16:46:18 [chumpster]
commented item C
16:48:28 [AaronSw]
C::They've got a [ZopeComponentArchitecture for PythonProgrammers tutorial|http://cvs.zope.org/Docs/ZopeComponentArchitecture/PythonProgrammerTutorial/].
16:48:29 [chumpster]
commented item C
16:50:53 [AaronSw]
C::They also seem to be getting rid of Zope's one decent feature: [decent URIs|http://dev.zope.org//Wikis/DevSite/Projects/ComponentArchitecture/ExplicitNamespaceControlInURLs].
16:50:54 [chumpster]
commented item C
17:11:53 [AaronSw]
Heh, looking at the @@s (as special syntax in Ruby), DanC would say. Wow, nobody seems to have ever finished writing a Ruby program!
17:14:34 [AaronSw]
Hmm, is "take" British for "minus"?
17:15:33 [sbp]
yes, it is indeed
17:15:41 [sbp]
lol @ @@
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17:21:34 [AaronSw]
C::Ooh, Zope says that [eventually they will probably adopt capabilities|http://dev.zope.org/Wikis/DevSite/Projects/ComponentArchitecture/SecurityFramework].
17:21:36 [chumpster]
commented item C
17:29:00 [AaronSw]
@ http://test.mnot.net/sparta/
17:29:07 [chumpster]
D: http://test.mnot.net/sparta/ from AaronSw
17:29:40 [AaronSw]
D:|Sparta: a Simple Api for Rdf
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titled item D
17:30:14 [AaronSw]
D::by [Mark|http://www.mnot.net/]
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commented item D
17:31:45 [AaronSw]
D::Very interesting!
17:31:46 [chumpster]
commented item D
17:33:23 [AaronSw]
@ http://www.w3.org/2001/12/rubyrdf/intro
17:33:24 [chumpster]
E: http://www.w3.org/2001/12/rubyrdf/intro from AaronSw
17:33:33 [AaronSw]
E:|Danbri Does Ruby-RDF
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titled item E
17:42:07 [AaronSw]
D::It's exactly these kinds of APIs that are essential for getting the Plex in common use.
17:42:08 [chumpster]
commented item D
17:42:18 [AaronSw]
E::We'll see if I can win him over to the Python side.
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commented item E
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17:57:04 [AaronSw]
swhack: some silly stupifying seminar, so some sbp sings
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swhack: some silly stupifying seminar, so some sbp sings
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* sbp is actually singing
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"Fool In The Rain", Led Zeppelin
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Hmm... we need earl:format since dc:format isn't necessarily bound to a MIME type
19:10:03 [AaronSw]
mime types are evil!
19:13:24 [sbp]
Yeah. Not as bad as heirarchies though
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Still, they're a fact of the Web
19:13:42 [AaronSw]
not reall
19:13:45 [AaronSw]
err really
19:15:39 [sbp]
er... yes. HTTP transactions, for better or worse, depend a lot on MIME types. Entities always have an associated MIME type
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If you don't like it, you can create a new system for transferring and recording data on the Web
19:15:44 [sbp]
Oh... you are
19:16:31 [AaronSw]
:-)
19:16:40 [AaronSw]
sbp, depends on who you talk to.
19:16:49 [AaronSw]
I claim that it's a URI field with a base uri of the mime type spec
19:17:29 [sbp]
The MIME type specification doesn't say that (any of the three of them)
19:17:30 [AaronSw]
I think it's a serious mistake to hobble systems like that.
19:17:38 [sbp]
"hobble"?
19:17:44 [AaronSw]
I'm not talking about MIME types
19:17:50 [AaronSw]
I'm talking about HTTP.
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19:18:24 [sbp]
Hey, I'm not exactly in love with MIME. I'm saying that the majority of the billions of entities exchanged on the Web today have a MIME type attached. Live with it
19:18:39 [AaronSw]
But those MIME types can also be represented as URIs
19:18:47 [AaronSw]
yes, hobble.
19:18:58 [AaronSw]
you're limiting your system to today, when there's clearly going to be change tomorrow
19:19:30 [sbp]
How am I limiting it? What on earth are you talking about? You don't even know the particulars of the property!
19:19:45 [sbp]
There are no cardinality restrictions on it
19:19:53 [AaronSw]
So?
19:20:23 [sbp]
So what's your point?
19:20:32 [AaronSw]
I'm saying that your system should take the set of mime type URIs instead of thwe mime type strings.
19:20:48 [sbp]
Ah, I see now
19:21:13 [sbp]
* sbp cogitates that
19:21:53 [sbp]
No. If people want to do that, they can create a new property
19:22:01 [AaronSw]
EARL is a loser.
19:22:05 [AaronSw]
(in that case)
19:22:11 [AaronSw]
Even CC/PP did better than that.
19:22:16 [sbp]
Erm... you should watch what you're saying
19:22:41 [AaronSw]
Heh. This is going to be sent to the lists isn't it. ;-)
19:22:42 [sbp]
You clearly aren't up on what you're talking about, because it's quite clear that EARL can allow for what you're talking about
19:22:57 [AaronSw]
I don't want to be up on such a loser spec. ;-)
19:23:01 [sbp]
:-)
19:23:21 [sbp]
* sbp is reminded all of a sudden of the "wonder" of xWebL... will say no more
19:24:22 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw has no idea what sbp means by that.
19:24:26 [sbp]
If you want to come up with an aaron:format property, whose range is rdfs:Resource, then who's stopping you? There's nothing in the EARL specification or schema that stops you. The specification welcomes extensions; I'm just writing that part now
19:24:55 [AaronSw]
Hah, the old "you do it then" argument.
19:24:58 [AaronSw]
I'm not falling for that one.
19:25:15 [AaronSw]
It's still a loser spec.
19:25:59 [sbp]
Well, you can do it. And you can call it a daml:UniqueProperty
19:25:59 [sbp]
heh, you have *no* idea what you're talking about here
19:25:59 [sbp]
quite sad, really
19:26:16 [AaronSw]
Oh, *I* have no idea what I'm talking about?
19:26:27 [sbp]
Ooh, let's get all rhetorical
19:26:45 [AaronSw]
Well, look who's talking!
19:26:52 [sbp]
Who's talking?
19:26:55 [sbp]
:-)
19:27:11 [AaronSw]
Mr. Let's-Make-Up-Rehtorical-Questions-So-I-Don't-Have-To-Answer-Valid-Points.
19:27:23 [sbp]
Such as?
19:27:34 [AaronSw]
<sbp> heh, you have *no* idea what you're talking about here
19:27:37 [sbp]
Interesting, considering that that's what you just did
19:27:47 [AaronSw]
See, there you go again!
19:27:53 [sbp]
Erm... I fail to see how that's a question. IT'
19:27:55 [sbp]
It
19:27:57 [sbp]
aaargh
19:28:00 [sbp]
It's an assertion
19:28:13 [AaronSw]
rhetorical questions can be assertions. that's why they're so rhetorical
19:28:29 [AaronSw]
I invented that this morning.
19:28:34 [sbp]
Heh, heh :-)
19:29:07 [sbp]
[Simpsons, Gotta run]
19:29:12 [AaronSw]
c'ya
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19:41:13 [carter.openprojects.net]
carter.openprojects.net has changed the topic to: These days, money is too expensive to bother having.
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20:17:18 [sbp]
grep -i <sbp>.* while
20:17:38 [sbp]
logster, grep -i <sbp>.* while
20:18:36 [logster]
I'm logging. I found 36 answers for '<sbp>.* while' (showing 0...4)
20:18:37 [logster]
0) 2001-12-09 20:17:38 <sbp> logster, grep -i <sbp>.* while
20:18:38 [logster]
1) 2001-12-09 20:17:18 <sbp> grep -i <sbp>.* while
20:18:39 [logster]
2) 2001-12-09 04:36:21 <sbp> B::Yes, heavens-above is an absolutely excellent site, highly recommended. I signed up for it a while ago, and they offer a wonderful service [Dec. 2001]
20:18:40 [logster]
3) 2001-12-07 04:50:33 <sbp> <MarkB> yah, that issue (URI vs. URI reference) has been bugging me for a while
20:18:41 [logster]
4) 2001-12-06 02:36:25 <sbp> it takes me a while...
20:18:42 [sbp]
logster, grep -i <sbp>.* whilst
20:18:50 [logster]
I'm logging. I found 15 answers for '<sbp>.* whilst' (showing 0...4)
20:18:51 [logster]
0) 2001-12-09 20:18:42 <sbp> logster, grep -i <sbp>.* whilst
20:18:52 [logster]
1) 2001-11-28 01:37:45 <sbp> Aaron: A bit of advice; ask to meet the Queen whilst you're in London
20:18:53 [logster]
2) 2001-11-23 18:54:24 <sbp> ...or you could go create an anthology of cams, whilst I listen to In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida
20:18:54 [logster]
3) 2001-10-31 20:14:37 <sbp> It's freezing here. I left my window open just a crack whilst watching The Simpsons, came back in, and it was like walking into a fridge
20:18:55 [logster]
4) 2001-10-29 22:56:46 <AaronSw> <sbp> once again, it worked whilst loading, tricking me into thinking that it had worked
20:18:57 [AaronSw]
hmm
20:23:24 [sbp]
Hmm...
20:23:36 [sbp]
logster, grep -i <sbp>.* a while
20:23:54 [logster]
I'm logging. I found 26 answers for '<sbp>.* a while' (showing 0...4)
20:23:55 [logster]
0) 2001-12-09 20:23:36 <sbp> logster, grep -i <sbp>.* a while
20:23:56 [logster]
1) 2001-12-09 04:36:21 <sbp> B::Yes, heavens-above is an absolutely excellent site, highly recommended. I signed up for it a while ago, and they offer a wonderful service [Dec. 2001]
20:23:57 [logster]
2) 2001-12-07 04:50:33 <sbp> <MarkB> yah, that issue (URI vs. URI reference) has been bugging me for a while
20:23:58 [logster]
3) 2001-12-06 02:36:25 <sbp> it takes me a while...
20:23:59 [logster]
4) 2001-12-02 20:11:22 <sbp> >>> RSAkey=RSA.generate(384, randfunc) # This will take a while...
20:24:11 [sbp]
15/(36 - 26) = 1.5
20:24:41 [AaronSw]
What is it you're doing?
20:24:49 [sbp]
I'm not too sure :-)
20:25:27 [sbp]
I'm wondering how often I use "while" as opposed to "whilst"
20:25:59 [sbp]
I try to use "whilst" consistently, but it seems from the grep that there's a 3:2 ration in favour of "whilst"
20:26:06 [sbp]
s/ration/ratio/
20:26:59 [AaronSw]
This is why I like sbp. ;-)
20:27:06 [AaronSw]
And logs!
20:27:13 [sbp]
Heh, heh, heh
20:28:44 [sbp]
Yes, I do miss having a logged channel when I'm elsewhere. It's really useful
20:28:59 [AaronSw]
'Tis indeed.
20:29:04 [AaronSw]
plexena shall fix this.
20:29:56 [sbp]
ooh, nice little melded word there
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20:57:22 [AaronSw]
Oh, this is great: http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_468563.html?menu=news.quirkies
20:57:23 [AaronSw]
@ http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_468563.html?menu=news.quirkies
20:57:30 [chumpster]
F: http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_468563.html?menu=news.quirkies from AaronSw
20:57:38 [AaronSw]
F:|Harry Potter leads to surge in broomstick sales
20:57:39 [chumpster]
titled item F
20:59:33 [AaronSw]
@ http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200-8100898.html?tag=dd.ne.dht.nl-sty.0
20:59:37 [chumpster]
G: States get tough in Microsoft case - Tech News - CNET.com from AaronSw
21:00:05 [AaronSw]
G::"Among the highlights of the states' requests, [...] requiring Microsoft to continue offering Office for the Macintosh beyond the August expiration of an existing deal; and requiring Microsoft to develop a version of Office for Linux."
21:00:07 [chumpster]
commented item G
21:02:44 [AaronSw]
G::The full text is [available in PDF|http://www.naag.org/features/microsoft/ms-remedy_filing.pdf].
21:02:46 [chumpster]
commented item G
21:20:11 [oierw]
* oierw looks at aaron
21:20:20 [AaronSw]
Hi.
21:20:43 [oierw]
i really shouldn't be in two channels on the same window
21:20:45 [oierw]
it messes me up :)
21:21:12 [AaronSw]
Heh heh.
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21:59:04 [sbp]
Oops, just deleted a funny bit of spam
21:59:33 [sbp]
It appeared to be another one with slightly shoddy grammar: "Increase your sexual interest in men and women without any adverse effects!"
21:59:44 [sbp]
I think they meant "or" :-)
21:59:44 [AaronSw]
Heh heh.
22:05:17 [sbp]
* sbp tapes "I Know What You Did Last Summer"
22:09:02 [AaronSw]
We used to make fun of that movie all the time when it came out.
22:09:03 [AaronSw]
.
22:09:03 [xena]
usage: . <python-code>
22:09:04 [xena]
- xena will attempt to execute the python-code in a restricted environment, sending any printable results to IRC
22:09:19 [AaronSw]
need to fix that bug...
22:09:24 [AaronSw]
x
22:09:24 [sbp]
. print "This works"
22:09:38 [sbp]
. print "This works"
22:09:38 [xena]
This works
22:09:42 [sbp]
aha
22:10:14 [AaronSw]
.rehash
22:10:16 [AaronSw]
.
22:10:21 [AaronSw]
much better :-)
22:10:22 [AaronSw]
.py
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usage: .py <python-code>
22:10:23 [xena]
- xena will attempt to execute the python-code in a restricted environment, sending any printable results to IRC
22:10:30 [sbp]
* sbp wonders how anyone can make fun of a movie with SMG and JLH in it
22:11:05 [AaronSw]
well it had a stupid name
22:11:58 [deltab]
221233Z <IgnoWHATyouDIDlastSUMMER:#openprojects> I KNOW!!!!!
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221247Z * >IgnoWHATyouDIDlastSUMMER #openprojects guts people
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* AaronSw reconnects
22:35:11 [AaronSw]
Grr!
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23:16:46 [sbp]
@ http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~//Amaya/doc/amaya/Attic/Annotations.html?rev=1.15&content-type=text/html#Issues1
23:16:52 [chumpster]
H: Annotations in Amaya from sbp
23:17:09 [sbp]
H::What happens when you move content around?
23:17:10 [chumpster]
commented item H
23:17:38 [sbp]
H::Cool URIs Don't Change => Cool IDs Don't Change => Cool XPointers Don't Change? Too far, surely
23:17:39 [chumpster]
commented item H
23:20:07 [AaronSw]
H::Yep, it does get silly. The best way to protect yourself might be to point to a specific version of a document (by its SHA512 hash, perhaps?) and talk about it. Certainly that will never change.
23:20:08 [chumpster]
commented item H
23:22:09 [AaronSw]
@ http://people.ne.mediaone.net/siracusa/proposal.html
23:22:14 [chumpster]
I: Mac OS X Metadata Proposal from AaronSw
23:22:27 [AaronSw]
I::via [Dave|http://scriptingnews.userland.com/backissues/2001/12/09#l9f32e996357dd4410d3b1f44355711d0]
23:22:28 [chumpster]
commented item I
23:23:04 [sbp]
H::Yep, a canonical hash is a very good idea
23:23:04 [chumpster]
commented item H
23:23:36 [sbp]
Plex is going to solve a lot of problems if it works
23:24:46 [AaronSw]
Yeah, and I sure hope it works.
23:24:54 [AaronSw]
I was thinking this morning -- we could change the world! :-)
23:25:09 [AaronSw]
I mean, hey, if Netscape could do it...
23:31:40 [sbp]
yeah
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23:32:41 [sbp]
Hmm... XPointers make sense when you use them on a representation, but not on a resource
23:33:44 [sbp]
[ earl:reprOf <http://example.org/>; :XPointer "xpointer(id("toc")/li[3])" ] .
23:34:46 [sbp]
The only way that you can use XPointer on URIs is when you have a consistent representation being sent back, and no content negociation
23:35:28 [sbp]
the more I think about XPointer, the less I like it
23:36:44 [AaronSw]
sbp! that's my problem with fragments!
23:38:15 [AaronSw]
ding ding ding! 3 points to the man in red.
23:38:15 [sbp]
:-)
23:38:15 [sbp]
ID's not so bad, but it would have to be deployed consistently across MIME type specifications. Hmm...
23:38:15 [sbp]
and it's not
23:38:15 [AaronSw]
Right.
23:38:52 [sbp]
* sbp decides to write a letter to xml-linking on behalf of ERT... will have to send to ERT first though, blargh
23:41:36 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw decides to write up a problemsWithFragments webpage
23:44:29 [sbp]
cool
23:45:09 [AaronSw]
Don't you hate it when the word you want has been abused?
23:45:37 [AaronSw]
Like I want revolution to mean things going 'round and 'round, but it already means a major change.
23:46:16 [AaronSw]
And I want theoretical to refer to differenes in people's theories, but it means not practical.
23:46:38 [AaronSw]
.dtrt 2396
23:46:41 [xena]
2396: http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2396.txt
23:47:54 [sbp]
Hmm... good points
23:48:16 [sbp]
Just add "If you misread this, you suck!" at the end
23:48:23 [AaronSw]
heh heh
23:48:23 [AaronSw]
there was some other word which was really bad, but i can't remember what it is now.
23:50:44 [AaronSw]
The problem, especially with 'revolution' is that people thing you're trying to trick them if you use the other meaning.
23:50:48 [sbp]
bollocks
23:51:01 [sbp]
bollocks (apparently) used to be a certain type of bishop
23:51:10 [AaronSw]
Heh heh.
23:51:10 [sbp]
according to dict.org, it's a verb only: http://www.dict.org/bin/Dict?Form=Dict2&Database=*&Query=bollocks
23:51:19 [sbp]
to bollocks
23:51:30 [AaronSw]
don't bollocks it, sbp!
23:51:30 [sbp]
as in, "oh man, I bollocked it up again!"
23:51:41 [sbp]
exactly
23:52:31 [AaronSw]
Can I have a <blockquote> tag inside a <p>?
23:57:57 [deltab]
no, but you can have a paragraph inside a blockquote
23:58:19 [AaronSw]
hmm, ok, thanks
23:58:21 [deltab]
http://htmlhelp.com/reference/html40/block/blockquote.html