IRC log of swhack on 2001-12-07

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00:00:06 [Morbus]
* Morbus is currently listening to 'Billy Club' on Junkie XL's album 'Saturday Teenage Kick'.
00:00:08 [Morbus]
!itunes
00:00:44 [sbp]
sbp (~sean@m243-mp1-cvx3b.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack
00:00:48 [AaronSw]
hey sbp
00:00:58 [Morbus]
sbbppp!
00:02:12 [sbp]
Hi there!
00:03:33 [Morbus]
[[[
00:03:33 [Morbus]
<Morbus> hey, rik, i gotta tell ya, some guy over in #swhack was trying to usurp your kitty cuteness.
00:03:33 [Morbus]
* rik frowns.
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]]]
00:03:48 [AaronSw]
Hey!
00:03:54 [sbp]
heh, heh
00:04:29 [Morbus]
:)
00:05:33 [Morbus]
hey, sbp, if you scroll up, me and AaronSw just had a wonderful off log conversation. you must'nt miss it.
00:05:33 [Morbus]
<G>
00:05:51 [AaronSw]
Aww, too bad, he did.
00:06:10 [AaronSw]
[off] i initially heard "scroll up" as "throw up" ;-)
00:06:19 [Morbus]
poor guy.
00:06:38 [Morbus]
[off] bug spray for all your wilderness needs.
00:07:31 [sbp]
heh, heh, heh
00:07:51 [sbp]
[off] do they?
00:10:15 [Morbus]
GODDAMIT!
00:10:24 [Morbus]
the flipping mp3 i finally found is all fucked up.
00:10:31 [Morbus]
fraggle rock and ju ju bees!
00:10:33 [Morbus]
arrrgh.
00:11:26 [tav``]
tav`` is now known as tav`
00:12:26 [sbp]
to you too, sonny
00:13:41 [Morbus]
groan. how can i get 44 emails in five minutes? this is not cool.
00:14:01 [AaronSw]
easy, i just wrote a simple python script:
00:14:20 [Morbus]
i bet you did.
00:14:21 [AaronSw]
while 1: email('morbus@disobey.com', 'Hello!', 'Congratulations, you've won a free email.')
00:14:32 [Morbus]
maybe its all requests for my suck ass eudora randomizer.
00:14:32 [AaronSw]
.py import smtplib
00:14:33 [xena]
ImportError: untrusted dynamic module: _socket
00:14:39 [Morbus]
i asked for beta testers on a eudora list.
00:14:43 [AaronSw]
Heh heh heh.
00:14:51 [Morbus]
is email a sub, or a built in?
00:14:51 [Morbus]
ah. ok.
00:15:01 [AaronSw]
a sub?
00:15:15 [AaronSw]
what's a sub?
00:15:31 [Morbus]
yeah, you know, its a sandwich
00:15:36 [AaronSw]
Hmm.
00:16:34 [Morbus]
* Morbus is currently listening to 'Schnitzelbank' on Animaniacs's album 'Songs From The Hit TV Series'.
00:16:34 [Morbus]
!itunes
00:18:28 [Morbus]
AaronSw, did you read louisrosenfield.com's meta data thingy?
00:18:28 [Morbus]
i dunno if its on the site - i got it in a mailing.
00:18:54 [AaronSw]
which one?
00:19:50 [Morbus]
[bloug] December 1, 2001: Damning Metadata
00:19:57 [AaronSw]
yeah
00:20:18 [AaronSw]
anyone got an good DNS server?
00:21:25 [Morbus]
http://home.styx.net/rune/publicdns/intro.html
00:21:32 [Morbus]
dunno if that will do any good. had it bookmarked for awhile
00:22:10 [Morbus]
oh hey!
00:22:17 [Morbus]
i finally found out where i knew robb beal from.
00:22:22 [AaronSw]
where?
00:22:22 [Morbus]
he responded to that osa python thing that i just got to in my email.
00:22:35 [AaronSw]
oh
00:22:42 [AaronSw]
he responded to everyone?
00:22:54 [Morbus]
to me, at least, yeah
00:23:19 [AaronSw]
boy, my dns serverice is in a bad mood or something
00:23:38 [Morbus]
so is your spell checker, apparently.
00:23:50 [AaronSw]
it always is
00:23:51 [AaronSw]
404 http://home.styx.net/rune/publicdns/intro.htmv
00:23:52 [AaronSw]
.http://home.styx.net/rune/publicdns/intro.htm
00:23:53 [xena]
404 Not Found Not Found The requested URL /rune/publicdns/intro.htm was not found on this server. Apache/1.3.20 Server at home.styx.net Port 80
00:24:19 [AaronSw]
Ooh, they really have a nice new design, don't they?
00:24:31 [Morbus]
uh. yeah. its there :)
00:24:32 [AaronSw]
I actually meant DNS server as in the resolver, not hosting, sense
00:28:09 [Morbus]
wtf?
00:28:16 [Morbus]
all these mp3s seem to be broken
00:28:26 [Morbus]
can someone leech an mp3 from disobey and lemme know if it comes out messed up?
00:28:32 [Morbus]
anon ftp /pub is fine.
00:29:10 [AaronSw]
disobey has free mp3s?
00:30:26 [Morbus]
at least, until i remove them as i dl them
00:31:26 [AaronSw]
they play fine, other than not being my tastes in music
00:31:35 [Morbus]
which one did you dl?
00:31:42 [Morbus]
try grabbing sp - eyes of a child
00:31:42 [AaronSw]
my\ life\ with\ the\ thrill\ kill\ kult\ -\ The\ Untouchable\ Class.mp3
00:31:49 [Morbus]
i just grbbed that now, and it was all messed up
00:32:10 [AaronSw]
sounds like a messed up song to begin with
00:32:16 [AaronSw]
:-)
00:32:16 [Morbus]
heh, heh.
00:32:28 [Morbus]
tkk is, yeah, but south park is "normal"
00:33:04 [AaronSw]
plays fine for me
00:33:08 [Morbus]
wtf?!
00:33:10 [Morbus]
sigh.
00:33:15 [Morbus]
great, netfinder is screwed somewhoe.
00:34:33 [AaronSw]
i just used wget
00:34:56 [Morbus]
lemme try that.
00:35:08 [Morbus]
yeah, but nf has worked before for me.
00:35:11 [Morbus]
hmz.
00:36:43 [Morbus]
* Morbus is currently listening to 'Shoot the Mac-10' on EBN's album 'Telecommunication Breakdown'.
00:36:43 [Morbus]
!itunes
00:38:55 [Morbus]
yeah, goddamit, yer write.
00:38:55 [Morbus]
right, rather.
00:39:01 [Morbus]
stupid netfinder.
00:39:01 [Morbus]
great, just great.
00:39:01 [Morbus]
argh
00:39:30 [sbp]
poor Morbus
00:39:55 [Morbus]
yeah, cos, see, it does suck
00:39:55 [Morbus]
i deleted two files that i thought were messed up.
00:40:04 [Morbus]
they're still on my work machine, but now i can't burn the cd tonight.
00:40:11 [Morbus]
sigh. woe is me.
00:40:34 [AaronSw]
Ouch.
00:42:13 [Morbus]
lol!
00:42:19 [Morbus]
"file download options > always as text"
00:42:25 [Morbus]
stupid flipping ftp program
00:42:51 [AaronSw]
lol
00:44:23 [AaronSw]
@ http://www.oreilly.com/ask_tim/
00:44:27 [chumpster]
A: www.oreilly.com -- Ask Tim! from AaronSw
00:44:42 [AaronSw]
A:|Tim O'Reilly on Books for a Younger Audience
00:44:43 [chumpster]
titled item A
00:44:48 [AaronSw]
A::If only he had a permalink...
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commented item A
00:45:37 [AaronSw]
bbl, dinner
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01:24:38 [sbp]
* sbp gets LibWWW
01:24:44 [sbp]
could it *be* any more slow?
01:25:20 [AaronSw]
Heh.
01:25:52 [AaronSw]
Those stupid W3C servers mirrored in 15 countries!
01:26:03 [AaronSw]
Why are you grabbing LibWWW?
01:26:05 [sbp]
yeah, it's a disgrace
01:26:20 [sbp]
PUT doesn't seem to work without it. Grpgrpgprgpgh
01:26:38 [AaronSw]
What sort of PUT?
01:26:45 [AaronSw]
I've found cURL to be the best PUT tool.
01:29:31 [sbp]
.google cURL PUT
01:29:33 [xena]
cURL PUT: http://curl.haxx.se/mail/lib-2001-06/0026.html
01:29:48 [sbp]
.google cURL HTTP PUT
01:29:49 [xena]
cURL HTTP PUT: http://curl.haxx.se
01:30:44 [AaronSw]
that's it
01:30:58 [AaronSw]
see also http://logicerror.com/curl for instructions on PUTing to W3C website
01:37:55 [sbp]
heh, heh:-
01:37:58 [sbp]
[[[
01:37:58 [sbp]
<sbp> ooh, LibWWW is done
01:37:58 [sbp]
<sbp> ooh, it's the wrong version. Ooh, I'm stupid
01:37:58 [sbp]
]]]
01:38:09 [AaronSw]
where was that to?
01:41:34 [AaronSw]
w3c#er, eh?
01:41:57 [sbp]
eyp
01:41:59 [sbp]
eyp?
01:42:00 [sbp]
yep
01:45:29 [AaronSw]
Apple Developer tools are out: ftp://imercury1.apple.com/Mac_OS_X/Dec01MacOSX10.1DeveloperTools/macbinary-segments/
01:45:32 [AaronSw]
Where's morby?
01:46:48 [sbp]
Just wondering that
01:46:51 [sbp]
I miss my minion
01:55:09 [AaronSw]
@ http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-webont-wg/2001Nov/0143
01:55:12 [chumpster]
B: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-webont-wg/2001Nov/0143 from AaronSw
01:55:49 [AaronSw]
B:|Dan Connolly benefits of supplementary IRC during telecons
01:55:51 [chumpster]
titled item B
01:58:20 [AaronSw]
@ http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-webont-wg/2001Dec/0002.html
01:58:22 [chumpster]
C: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-webont-wg/2001Dec/0002.html from AaronSw
01:58:31 [AaronSw]
C:|DaimlerChrysler Web Ontology Use Cases
01:58:32 [chumpster]
titled item C
02:01:50 [AaronSw]
In an email, I write:
02:01:50 [AaronSw]
"""
02:01:52 [AaronSw]
Just as the supposed productivity advances over the past few years have made lives only busier, it seems you paint Semantic Web technology as another step in the corporate technology arms race. Which, I guess in a way (as much as it saddens me to think so), it is.
02:01:55 [AaronSw]
"""
02:02:37 [AaronSw]
"Let's hope this one turns out pretty darn good, huh?"
02:03:01 [AaronSw]
- I'm Down, Beatles, Anthology 2, Disc 1
02:06:40 [AaronSw]
Jim Hendler: "Suspct you're likely to be on the wrong side of the dollat curve on the SemWeb"
02:06:48 [AaronSw]
Me: "And I can't tell you how thankful I am for that!"
02:09:00 [TheTick]
s/dollat/dollar/ ?
02:09:06 [AaronSw]
Yeah.
02:09:17 [AaronSw]
But that's not what he wrote. ;-)
02:09:22 [TheTick]
Being on the right side of the dollar curve is lame
02:09:36 [TheTick]
selling your soul for TEH MONEYS!!!
02:09:45 [AaronSw]
Exactly.
02:11:58 [TheTick]
Of course, that's why I'm not working at a couple of jobs.
02:12:19 [TheTick]
Because they had that nasty soul-stealing bit in the job description that wasn't there when I started work.
02:12:56 [TheTick]
i.e. hiring me to code linux test suites for embedded platforms, then telling me after I started "Oh, well we want you to write up this VB stuff for us"
02:13:09 [TheTick]
"Yeah, the linux stuff probably won't happen for another 6 to 9 months"
02:13:15 [AaronSw]
Heh heh heh.
02:13:27 [TheTick]
So needless to say I quit that hellhole after a couple months.
02:13:33 [TheTick]
Still pisses me off.
02:13:56 [TheTick]
They didn't even give me a proper cubicle, I was at a 60" desk in the middle of a well-trafficed hallway
02:13:57 [TheTick]
ugh
02:14:44 [AaronSw]
Man, that sucks.
02:15:08 [TheTick]
Yeah, it was horrid. My wrist pain even started coming back because my desk wasn't the right height even.
02:15:24 [TheTick]
Luckily I got out of there and over to this job.. I'm very happy where I work now
02:15:25 [TheTick]
which just rules
02:15:32 [AaronSw]
well that's good
02:15:34 [TheTick]
best job I've had ever, really
02:15:35 [TheTick]
yeah
02:15:48 [TheTick]
my boss just told the CEO not to talk to me, lol
02:15:54 [TheTick]
my boss is just the coolest
02:15:54 [AaronSw]
Heh heh heh.
02:16:27 [TheTick]
"Look, if you keep pestering him it's just going to make everything take longer. Don't talk to him- just ask me if you have questions. Aaron keeps me informed of what's going on"
02:16:32 [TheTick]
hehe
02:16:38 [AaronSw]
Heh heh heh.
02:16:45 [TheTick]
he deflects lots of things, he actually realizes that it's part of his job
02:16:50 [TheTick]
unlike virtually every other boss I've had
02:16:59 [AaronSw]
wow, nice
02:17:00 [TheTick]
who just acts as an amplifier for idiotic upper management
02:17:27 [AaronSw]
yeah, i've always thought managers were meant to be shields, not megaphones
02:17:39 [TheTick]
<idiot manager> LOOK THE VP NEEDS THIS NOW!!! NOW NOW NOW!!! <me> He should have put in a request two weeks ago, everybody knows about that rule. <idiot manager> I DON'T CARE DO IT NOW
02:17:53 [TheTick]
<idiot vp> HELLO HOW'S IT COMING? IS THIS EVER GOING TO GET DONE? HURRY!!!
02:17:58 [AaronSw]
lol
02:18:14 [TheTick]
Yes, that's what they're supposed to do... but 99% of them don't realize that's what their job is really.
02:18:24 [TheTick]
They think their job is to tell mgmt YES!!! to everything
02:18:36 [AaronSw]
yeah
02:18:37 [TheTick]
When in reality their job is to help you do your job, which means deflecting all upper mgmt
02:18:53 [AaronSw]
exactly
02:18:55 [TheTick]
and explaining things that upper mgmt doesn't understand persuasively so that IT dept gets their way
02:18:56 [TheTick]
hehe
02:19:10 [AaronSw]
heh heh heh
02:20:02 [TheTick]
Well we got our fancy schmancy $150k phone system
02:20:06 [TheTick]
so my boss must be doing something right
02:20:07 [TheTick]
hehe
02:20:58 [sbp]
[[[
02:20:58 [sbp]
The first W3C Technical Architecture Group (TAG) election
02:20:58 [sbp]
closed on 28 November 2001. W3C plans to announce the final
02:20:58 [sbp]
results on Tuesday 11 December 2001.
02:20:59 [sbp]
]]]
02:21:13 [AaronSw]
Ian is a master of suspense.
02:21:23 [sbp]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2001Dec/0001
02:21:24 [AaronSw]
I bet he studied Hitchcock in the Purple Crayon.
02:21:35 [sbp]
It was Janet Daly who wrote the message
02:21:57 [AaronSw]
Hmm, I must have missed that message
02:22:24 [AaronSw]
oh, it's recent.
02:22:36 [sbp]
yeah, I just got it
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02:40:44 [TheTick]
<AaronSw> # Hmm, what?
02:40:49 [TheTick]
<sbp> # Just in generality
02:40:50 [TheTick]
lol
02:41:03 [TheTick]
How closely does the bot watch for hash marks?
02:41:12 [AaronSw]
Only at the beginning of a line.
02:41:33 [sbp]
so, y'know, thanks for pasting private stuff into the logs :-)
02:41:46 [TheTick]
*g*
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03:01:59 [sbp]
Aaron, why are you not on #rdfig anymore?
03:02:12 [AaronSw]
i'm curring down on irc, remember?
03:02:21 [sbp]
why?
03:02:32 [AaronSw]
err cutting
03:02:39 [AaronSw]
'cuz it's a time chewer-upper
03:02:51 [sbp]
what, you mean like now? :-)
03:03:05 [AaronSw]
heh heh
03:03:24 [sbp]
you're right, of course... but still, it's nice to be able to scribble things down
03:03:29 [AaronSw]
Indeed.
03:03:42 [AaronSw]
Feel free to ask me to join a channel where Interesting Things are happening.
03:04:16 [sbp]
will do
03:04:29 [GabeW]
hey AaronSw - interesting things are happening in #warez
03:04:45 [AaronSw]
Sorry, i'm only up for Interesting Things.
03:04:50 [AaronSw]
case-sensitive
03:04:57 [sbp]
heh, heh: #warez Nick/channel is temporarily unavailable
03:05:17 [sbp]
shhhhhyyyyyyyyeeeeeeahhhhh, right!
03:05:40 [AaronSw]
what'd you do to it, GabeW
03:08:21 [sbp]
yeah, Gabe. Come on, admit it. Own up. Speak own. Come clean. Do the Mumbo. Er... scratch that last one
03:08:31 [sbp]
s/own/out/
03:08:38 [AaronSw]
lol
03:09:04 [carter.openprojects.net]
carter.openprojects.net has changed the topic to: Admit it. Come clean. Do the Mumbo
03:09:37 [GabeW]
all your #warez are belong to us
03:10:19 [sbp]
BTW: I know it's not a dance, but it sure does sound like one
03:11:01 [sbp]
close to rumba, I guess
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03:29:08 [AaronSw]
what's the opposite of listening?
03:29:23 [GabeW]
~listening
03:29:25 [GabeW]
!listening
03:29:38 [AaronSw]
ha ha
03:29:38 [GabeW]
^listening
03:30:27 [tansaku]
putting wax in your ears
03:31:17 [AaronSw]
"argument by putting wax in your ears" -- I like it
03:37:34 [sbp]
emigrating, joining a space program to a planetary body with no atmosphere, rocketing off, and then burying your head in the ground with your fingers in your ears and screaming "nur nur nur, I'm not listening"
03:38:21 [AaronSw]
Dan, in the words of Sean B. Palmer, I can only call this "argument by emigrating, joining a space program to a planetary body with no atmosphere, rocketing off, and then burying your head in the ground with your fingers in your ears and screaming 'nur nur nur, I'm not listening'".
03:38:33 [sbp]
lol
03:39:02 [sbp]
perfact
03:39:11 [sbp]
s/perfact/perfect/
03:39:27 [sbp]
heh, "perfact" is a kind of self-contradiction, isn't it?
03:39:33 [AaronSw]
heh
03:40:24 [sbp]
I want to put that in my .sig really
03:40:28 [AaronSw]
I think I shall close with "Denial is more than just a river in Egypt."
03:40:37 [sbp]
What's this letter all about?
03:40:43 [AaronSw]
rdfms-fragments
03:41:01 [sbp]
oh, no! I gave you decent ammo in a battle you shouldn't win
03:41:09 [AaronSw]
lol
03:41:41 [AaronSw]
So the forces of entropy and he-who-has-the-gold-makes-the-rules should win?
03:42:13 [sbp]
Of course not, they usually use. Er... lose
03:42:30 [AaronSw]
And I'm trying to defeat them again.
03:42:45 [sbp]
In that case, just follow the Tao
03:42:51 [AaronSw]
The W3C is basically saying, "Who cares about consensus and the IETF? I like it this way!"
03:43:12 [carter.openprojects.net]
carter.openprojects.net has changed the topic to: Who cares about consensus and the IETF? I like it this way!
03:46:44 [sbp]
I like using fragURIs in RDF. It's homely, it makes sense according to the MT, and nuts to everyone else. We've squirreled around collecting namespaces with trailing hashes enough for it not be be a bother anymore. We're stocked up for winter
03:47:40 [AaronSw]
That's fine if you're a hermit squirrel that lives in the tree.
03:47:47 [AaronSw]
Is that what RDF wants to be?
03:47:57 [sbp]
BTW, if you're really going to add my salvo to your email, please not that I agree with Dan :-)
03:48:27 [sbp]
I always compare the body to which RDF aspires to to a hermit squirrel, so yeah. Sure
03:48:40 [sbp]
s/to to/to be to be/
03:48:53 [AaronSw]
You want to be the hermit squirrel that insists on speaking Esperanto but roated 13 letters?
03:48:56 [sbp]
to be to be to be shoo wop wop
03:49:04 [AaronSw]
err rotated.
03:50:03 [sbp]
I dunno. You're getting a bit too philisophical for my liking. All I know is that I like my nuts warm, and they're warmest when there are loads of other nuts around. fragURIs collect together
03:50:31 [AaronSw]
Exactly.
03:50:38 [AaronSw]
And they happen to be far in the minority.
03:50:49 [sbp]
not on the Semantic Web
03:51:00 [AaronSw]
I suppose you can be standoffish and insist on being the elitist squirrells.
03:51:14 [AaronSw]
But the Semantic Web is puny in comparison to the Web!
03:51:30 [AaronSw]
W3C keeps insisting that they're extending the Web, not replacing it.
03:51:34 [AaronSw]
Well, which is it?
03:52:28 [sbp]
we are extending it, by saying "use FragIDs too". And it's not as if they're not used on the Web as it is, so you can't weasel (changing animals) your way out of that one
03:52:38 [AaronSw]
lol
03:52:49 [sbp]
:-)
03:53:31 [AaronSw]
OK, when I said extending the web I thought it was implicit that I meant that in a backwards-compatible way.
03:53:38 [AaronSw]
This is _not_ backwards-compatible.
03:57:02 [sbp]
alright Aaron, whatever :-)
03:57:29 [AaronSw]
Ha! I got you there.
03:57:42 [sbp]
how do you think so?
03:57:47 [AaronSw]
You gave up.
03:58:06 [sbp]
no, I just decided that your argument reached new levels of absurdity, and decided to humour you
03:58:10 [AaronSw]
lol
03:58:23 [sbp]
* sbp loves these arguments
03:58:41 [AaronSw]
I thought I was being perfectly reasonable.
03:58:50 [AaronSw]
You basically have given into the gist of my argument.
03:59:19 [AaronSw]
The only difference now is whether to do anything about this problem.
03:59:28 [sbp]
"given into"?
03:59:51 [AaronSw]
Well, you no longer make the argument that there's no issue.
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<sbp> I just can't tell where anything breaks. It's weird to me that you keep saying something's broken
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04:05:21 [sbp]
ah, here's the difference:-
04:05:22 [sbp]
[[[
04:05:22 [sbp]
Exactly. I'm not sure about you, but I consider the Web in the network, not
04:05:22 [sbp]
in the client.
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]]]
04:05:33 [sbp]
I consider it be a blend of both
04:06:03 [sbp]
I agree it's weighted a lot towards the network, but the network is nothing without clients (and vice versa)
04:06:18 [AaronSw]
Well, yeah.
04:06:31 [AaronSw]
But does the Web, support Flash? Or does it only support the transport of Flash?
04:07:18 [sbp]
heh, heh:-
04:07:19 [sbp]
[[[
04:07:20 [sbp]
[ This is not meant to imply Sean B. Palmer's position on either side of the
04:07:20 [sbp]
issue. ]
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]]]
04:07:35 [AaronSw]
I wish I didn't have to put that in. ;-)
04:08:00 [sbp]
heh, heh
04:08:50 [sbp]
Hmm... interesting question. It supports anything, I would say, within the bounds of it's agreed-upon rules, the consensus items
04:09:08 [AaronSw]
So the Web makes toast too?
04:09:16 [sbp]
It can do, yes!
04:09:26 [AaronSw]
wow
04:09:38 [sbp]
TOAST toast://infomesh.net/my-toaster
04:10:02 [AaronSw]
Well, sure it can send the commands!
04:10:09 [AaronSw]
But I wouldn't say that it makes toast.
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04:11:55 [AaronSw]
I'm not sure that it matters so much tho.
04:12:49 [carter.openprojects.net]
carter.openprojects.net has changed the topic to: The Web: Terminals, Text, and Toast
04:13:02 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw smiles somewhat
04:13:19 [AaronSw]
This has gotten me in a rather sour mood.
04:13:19 [sbp]
ooh, the lowest grade of laughter yet :-)
04:13:25 [AaronSw]
Heh.
04:13:46 [sbp]
no: Heh is now the second lowest
04:13:57 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw smiles
04:14:08 [sbp]
Aw, damnit
04:14:43 [sbp]
O.K. - twitches, grins, smiles somewhat, smiles, Heh, heh heh, heh heh heh, lol, lol!, LOL, LOL!
04:14:44 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw considers laughing, but can't quite make it.
04:15:00 [sbp]
laughs is surely equivalent to heh, heh
04:15:07 [sbp]
or possibly heh, heh, heh
04:15:12 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw thinks grins are more than smiling somewhat.
04:15:23 [AaronSw]
I think laughing is equivalent to lol.
04:15:25 [sbp]
ooh, you're right
04:15:31 [sbp]
on both accounts
04:15:44 [AaronSw]
Thanks.
04:15:58 [AaronSw]
I can't figure out what http://www.w3.org/2000/04/maillog2rdf/imap_sort.py does.
04:16:16 [sbp]
x twitches, x smiles somewhat, x grins, x smiles, Heh, heh heh, heh heh heh, lol/x laughs, lol!, LOL, LOL!, x pisses self
04:16:17 [xena]
SyntaxError: invalid syntax
04:16:46 [AaronSw]
Ah, this is what I want: http://www.w3.org/2000/04/maillog2rdf/mid_proxy.py
04:17:02 [AaronSw]
Dan's on a great rant here: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-rdf-logic/2000Nov/0043.html
04:17:53 [sbp]
heh, he's right. It is annoying
04:18:28 [AaronSw]
It is indeed.
04:20:11 [sbp]
oh, I love that space quote...
04:21:37 [sbp]
On rdfcore: "Re: how a perl programmer might do datatypes in RDF"
04:22:08 [sbp]
what's that all about?
04:22:37 [sbp]
Seems about as relevant as "How a greengrocer would design a rocket ship"
04:23:27 [sbp]
giggle. Go on
04:23:37 [sbp]
oh, giggle! Forgot that one... Hmm...
04:23:56 [sbp]
equates with "heh, heh, heh"
04:26:02 [sbp]
Hmm... it should be possible to come up with an N3 to NTriples parser *in* N3 now. Cool stuff
04:26:17 [sbp]
I want it to be able to parse NTriples to N3, though
04:27:56 [AaronSw]
The perl programmer thread is quite interesting, IMO.
04:27:56 [AaronSw]
It's my favorite proposal, yet.
04:27:56 [AaronSw]
It's like: well, since RDF screwed up hear, we should borrow from the kings of screwed up designs!
04:27:56 [AaronSw]
:-)
04:31:40 [sbp]
heh, heh, heh
04:38:10 [sbp]
Whither the Semantic Web?
04:39:12 [sbp]
I wrote: "What exactly are we waiting to happen on the Semantic Web? I think that we're waiting for data, and stronger applications... but it does seem as if CWM should be a powerful enough engine to give us what we want"
04:41:01 [AaronSw]
Where/when's that?
04:42:32 [sbp]
Get it's SHA and ask the Plex
04:42:40 [sbp]
s/it's/its/
04:42:47 [AaronSw]
That wouldn't work since it's an excerpt, silly.
04:44:18 [sbp]
It might be an entire work, or a line in an IRC transcript, or something
04:44:35 [AaronSw]
It's far easier to just bug you
04:44:58 [AaronSw]
.google "What exactly are we waiting to happen"
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no results found.
04:46:48 [sbp]
heh, my terrible grammar strikes again
04:47:05 [sbp]
waiting *for*
04:47:13 [AaronSw]
Pat Hayes: "Some of us live real lives, independently of the bloody Web, and we need to be able to live them in a normal and dignified fashion."
04:47:13 [sbp]
.google "What exactly are we waiting for to happen"
04:47:14 [xena]
no results found.
04:47:20 [sbp]
Hmm...
04:47:51 [AaronSw]
Pat Hayes: "What I find startling (and alarming) is the apparently widespread assumption that sending an email is just like posting a web page, an assumption which completely ignores the rather fundamental distinction between private and public communication, treating the internet as a kind of world-wide Hyde Park Corner."
04:48:24 [AaronSw]
Hmm, I thought he was replying to me at the time.
04:48:53 [sbp]
depends what you post to, I guess
04:49:04 [sbp]
with email or Web pages
04:49:13 [sbp]
Web pages can have access boundaries
04:50:11 [AaronSw]
yep
04:50:32 [sbp]
[[[
04:50:33 [sbp]
<MarkB> yah, that issue (URI vs. URI reference) has been bugging me for a while
04:50:33 [sbp]
<sbp> *that* issue?
04:50:33 [sbp]
<sbp> me too. It not only bugs me, I sit down especially to worry about it, sometimes
04:50:33 [sbp]
<MarkB> I recall. We talked about it offline.
04:50:33 [sbp]
* sbp barely recalls that...
04:50:34 [sbp]
<MarkB> Seems to me that if a server doesn't see the fragment, then it can't know what it's being asked to resolve
04:50:39 [sbp]
<sbp> It knows because it gets the URI, and it can choose what content it serves back. There's no ambiguity
04:50:44 [sbp]
<sbp> If I send back an HTML page with "id="blargh"" in it, then I know that theresourcedAskedFor#blargh identifies that little chunk
04:50:45 [sbp]
<MarkB> Sure, but you don't have the ability to redirect/protect/etc. the fragment, just the URI
04:50:46 [sbp]
<sbp> You *can* redirect... I'm not sure about protect
04:50:48 [sbp]
<MarkB> You have to redirect the entire resource, even though the other fragments may not have changed meaning
04:50:50 [sbp]
<MarkB> Web operations are defined on resources, not portions of representations thereof
04:50:52 [sbp]
<sbp> Well, you can have a new content type which defines mapping from IDs to other resources. I don't see any problem with that, serving it, or getting a client to interpret it. Do you?
04:50:56 [sbp]
<sbp> No! It'
04:50:57 [sbp]
<sbp> It's not a portion
04:50:59 [sbp]
<sbp> Not necessarily
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<sbp> The early Web content languages all define it as portions, and specifications such as XPointer say the same thing
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<sbp> But languages like RDF don't
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* MarkB runs off to give the baby his antibiotics ...
04:51:09 [sbp]
<sbp> ooh, hope baby's O.K.
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]]] - #rdfig
04:52:19 [sbp]
argh, it's annoying: I naturally assume that you're in #rdfig! I just assume it
04:52:36 [sbp]
Why don't you just stay in there? You don't have to check up on it
04:53:26 [AaronSw]
i suppose not.
05:29:42 [sbp]
ROTFL? I'd rather be ROTFF
05:31:11 [TheTick]
AHAHAHAH ROFFLE!!!1
05:31:26 [sbp]
pardon?
05:33:56 [TheTick]
I figured you were saying ROTFL so I'd laugh too.
05:34:00 [TheTick]
;-)
05:34:16 [sbp]
Um... er... O.K. Yes. Fine. *Sure*
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Could I *be* any more of a person who is humouring?
05:39:44 [AaronSw]
ROTFF?
05:39:48 [AaronSw]
What's the F for?
05:40:18 [sbp]
finally...
05:40:26 [sbp]
er, that's not what it stand for :-)
05:40:35 [sbp]
you have to guess what it stands for
05:44:49 [AaronSw]
oh, duh, i know
05:45:02 [sbp]
easy really, wasn't it?
05:45:12 [AaronSw]
yeah, once I realized you came up with it. ;-)
05:45:34 [sbp]
heh, heh, heh
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<AaronSw> # yeah
07:30:07 [TheTick]
* TheTick runs away laughing
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;-)
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morb!
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hey AaronSw. i'm grumpy.
14:00:55 [AaronSw]
thanks for warning me
14:01:03 [Morbus]
no prob :)
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15:14:58 [Morbus]
hey, deus_x, can you send me the project files you used to create that os x build of ampheta?
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berry picker!
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ping timeout coming soon
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berry picker!
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16:35:16 [Morbus]
whoo!
16:36:54 [sbp]
Hi
16:37:34 [Morbus]
i just found a scsi cdr driver for os x!
16:37:35 [sbp]
Ugh, I keep getting a "No parsers found" exception when I run CWM
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so i may not have to reboot into classic to use my cdr!
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Gotta run
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OOh.
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16:45:06 [Morbus]
kickass.
16:45:10 [Morbus]
found my new cdr burner thing
16:45:12 [Morbus]
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00005B6YG/qid=1007743420/br=3-11/ref=br_lfncs_e_11/002-5159057-3899208
16:45:21 [sbp]
Hi Morbus, well done...
16:45:25 [Morbus]
well, hopefully i can find one faster, but it works under os x
16:48:15 [Morbus]
man, all the usb ones seem to be stuck at 4x8
16:50:15 [Morbus]
so, i've added it to my wishlist, sbp, hint hint <g>
16:51:48 [sbp]
heh, heh, heh
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* deus_x wakes up.
17:05:23 [deus_x]
Morbus: You needed the OS X project I built in?
17:06:03 [Morbus]
yeah. i'd like, with your permission, to see how you did, possibly add it to the cvs, yadda yadda.
17:06:39 [deus_x]
I think I have a snapshot of it at: http://homepage.mac.com/deus_x/ filename is AmphetaDesk-deusx.tar.gz
17:06:57 [Morbus]
ooh. that includes the project stuff?
17:07:00 [Morbus]
i grabbed that the other day.
17:07:18 [deus_x]
Haven't gotten back to it in a lil while, so right now it's just a pretty log tail, no working menu items (ie. refresh channels)
17:07:31 [deus_x]
Yup, the whole Project Builder project should be under gui/AmphetaDeskX
17:07:43 [Morbus]
oh. you know, i never checked in there. thanks :)
17:08:10 [deus_x]
I do have a lil hack that auto refreshes after time though, so I haven't been itchy lately :) The GUI on my laptop just refreshes every hour or so
17:08:35 [Morbus]
:) ... yeah, that will be in the next version as not-a-hack.
17:09:39 [deus_x]
After this week (which is crunch time on a work project), I might revisit that thing and get the GUI items working
17:09:50 [Morbus]
cool.
17:10:01 [Morbus]
i won't be touching ampheta for a little bit still. gotta fininsh up some other loose ends.
17:10:23 [deus_x]
I also want to look into making Project Builder bundle up expat and all the needed perl modules inside the app
17:10:46 [deus_x]
That'd make it nice and self-contained
17:11:00 [Morbus]
yeah, that'd be real nice. you bundled a couple of things that shouldn't have been bundled too. no big deal either way (or actually, you may have just done .app at the end, but i dunno. not at home right now)
17:11:41 [deus_x]
Well, all the data directories are in the bundle right now, which is not right.. they should go in like ~/Library/Preferences/AmphetaDesk or some such
17:12:14 [deus_x]
The bundle should pretty much be read-only
17:12:14 [Morbus]
unfortunately, that won't work with the current code, cos i did some stupid stuff ;)
17:12:26 [deus_x]
More items for the TODO! :)
17:12:37 [Morbus]
if the bundle could be just the exe crap, and then the normal /data/ /templates/ /gui/ sorta directories underneath it, that'd be cool.
17:12:40 [Morbus]
hehehe. indeed :)
17:12:47 [Morbus]
http://kaylix.blogspot.com/
17:12:54 [Morbus]
just why oh why is she blogging my text directories?
17:13:33 [deus_x]
Strange
17:13:41 [Morbus]
yeah, real odd.
17:14:41 [deus_x]
Ack... I get to go to a fun meeting!
17:14:50 [Morbus]
heh.
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* Morbus drops a pin.
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heh, heh
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howdy
18:56:54 [sbp]
Hi there
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Gotta run
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18:58:59 [AaronSw]
Wow, this is scary:
18:59:08 [AaronSw]
John Ashcroft: """To those who pit Americans against immigrants, citizens against non-citizens, to those who scare peace-loving people with phantoms of lost liberty, my message is this: Your tactics only aid terrorists for they erode our national unity and diminish our resolve. They give ammunition to America's enemies and pause to America's friends. They encourage people of good will to remain silent in the face of evil. Our efforts have been crafted ca
18:59:08 [AaronSw]
, while saving American lives."""
18:59:15 [AaronSw]
@ http://rc3.org/cgi-bin/less.pl?arg=3361
18:59:58 [AaronSw]
logster, on
19:00:07 [AaronSw]
chumpster:foo
19:00:07 [chumpster]
D: http://rc3.org/cgi-bin/less.pl?arg=3361 from AaronSw
19:00:08 [chumpster]
falls down a well.
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D:|John Ashcroft says citizens who speak out for liberty only "aid terrorists"
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titled item D
19:01:19 [AaronSw]
D::He scares me.
19:01:20 [chumpster]
commented item D
19:01:37 [AaronSw]
D::via [Dave|http://scriptingnews.userland.com/backissues/2001/12/07#l2391728c88b12d426a20df4cc127eb8d]
19:01:38 [chumpster]
commented item D
19:01:42 [Morbus]
yeah, ashcroft's a weirdo.
19:03:01 [Morbus]
hey AaronSw. i'm gourged with pizza and overly soaked salad. whoo.
19:03:53 [AaronSw]
Heh heh.
19:05:12 [Morbus]
started reading your plex thing thingy.
19:05:30 [AaronSw]
Cool
19:08:42 [Morbus]
heh. i still love my footnote.
19:15:27 [AaronSw]
#lol
19:15:41 [AaronSw]
Oops
19:15:41 [Morbus]
[14:16] <Morbus> # no, no, not SysAdmin ... "Sys Admin"
19:15:49 [Morbus]
[14:16] <AaronSw> # I think he must have mispelled it -- clearly he means sis' admin
19:15:51 [Morbus]
[14:16] <Morbus> # or cyst admin <G>
19:15:52 [Morbus]
[14:16] <Morbus> # whoa, thatd be awesome.
19:15:59 [AaronSw]
Heheheh.
19:16:13 [Morbus]
that's just too classic for the world not to read about ;)
19:16:21 [AaronSw]
Man, your article is redundant. David Pogue's book covers Apache, the built-in Web-server".
19:22:18 [Morbus]
Killfile 1-2-3. heh.
19:22:30 [Morbus]
!!!
19:22:32 [Morbus]
what the hell?
19:22:40 [Morbus]
this flipping disobey.com link leads to your site.
19:22:40 [AaronSw]
Did you see that the developer tools came out yesterday?
19:22:46 [AaronSw]
Woohoo!
19:22:50 [Morbus]
how well do you know ORA, dammit! <G>
19:22:55 [AaronSw]
that's awesome, man!
19:23:03 [Morbus]
no, i didn't? they're on the ADC site now?
19:23:13 [AaronSw]
what link are we talking about here?
19:23:29 [Morbus]
i'm kidding. luser <G>
19:23:32 [AaronSw]
lol
19:23:35 [AaronSw]
Yeah, they're on the ADC site
19:24:26 [Morbus]
sigh. i always forget my stupid password her.
19:24:39 [AaronSw]
yeah, they make you change it all the time too
19:24:51 [Morbus]
and then they have the most satanic "forgot password" thing in existence.
19:24:56 [Morbus]
which i can never complete.
19:24:56 [AaronSw]
Anyway, the demo app for AppleScript Studio is like some Mail.app messerupper thing.
19:25:07 [Morbus]
because i didn't fill in all the fields.
19:25:10 [AaronSw]
Heh heh.
19:25:19 [Morbus]
and then i can't not fill them in because they thought i'd fill them in on the sign up.
19:25:21 [Morbus]
great.
19:25:26 [AaronSw]
"Please answe all questions in standard milliseconds."
19:25:29 [Morbus]
hey, um, you got a password, f00? <G>
19:25:41 [AaronSw]
use your stinkin' keychain
19:25:47 [Morbus]
pffff. that's at home.
19:25:54 [Morbus]
i don't even know how to use the keychain.
19:25:59 [Morbus]
i dislike auto-remembrances.
19:26:05 [AaronSw]
pfft
19:26:09 [AaronSw]
you don't like anything useful
19:26:16 [Morbus]
i like you. so what does that say?
19:26:42 [AaronSw]
I'm not useful?
19:26:48 [Morbus]
wow!
19:26:48 [AaronSw]
sniff. sniff.
19:27:00 [Morbus]
hey, don't you rip off the snifficon. that's tm bitch.
19:27:12 [AaronSw]
heh heh
19:27:20 [Morbus]
god damit,.
19:27:26 [Morbus]
"what is your website" is my personal question.
19:27:33 [Morbus]
and i can't remember if i did ending slash or not.
19:27:42 [Morbus]
or if i did something stupid like "yer nut sack".
19:27:43 [Morbus]
i hate this crap.
19:27:49 [AaronSw]
hehheh
19:28:01 [AaronSw]
you're so stupid you don't even know your own website
19:29:04 [Morbus]
well, its not that i forgot, but rather what i thought was more appropriate. the "in normal english" or "fqdn" or "uri".
19:29:31 [Morbus]
"name of my best friend"? apple. i'm a fucking geek. the only friends i know are #swhack
19:29:54 [AaronSw]
geg geg
19:29:57 [AaronSw]
err heh heh
19:29:59 [Morbus]
these fucking questions are all time based?
19:30:05 [Morbus]
my favorite movie changes weekly for god's sake.
19:30:09 [Morbus]
and i hate sports, you wack job.
19:30:14 [Morbus]
jesus. this is so fucking difficult.
19:30:19 [Morbus]
sal@apple.com
19:30:26 [Morbus]
say that a few times. get this chat into google.
19:30:30 [Morbus]
<g>
19:30:44 [AaronSw]
heh heh
19:31:05 [Morbus]
"my secret word"? what the hell does that differ from password?
19:31:20 [AaronSw]
you're supposed to share your password with me
19:31:33 [Morbus]
oh. it's applesucks.
19:31:43 [AaronSw]
ugh, you're so hopeless -- i'll give you a password
19:31:46 [Morbus]
bwahahaah.
19:31:54 [Morbus]
i forget to fill in my birthday right?
19:32:08 [Morbus]
so they autofill the answers on the "you moron" response, but don't autofill the question that was chosen.
19:32:11 [Morbus]
this is like jeopardy.
19:32:47 [Morbus]
"no two answers can be the same"?
19:32:55 [Morbus]
this is turning into a bad therapy section.
19:32:57 [AaronSw]
everyone is special
19:33:41 [Morbus]
holy nutsacks, wozman, i'm finally in!
19:33:51 [AaronSw]
and that's the easy part!
19:34:07 [Morbus]
now i get to see how much damage this update is gonna do to my 56k ;)
19:34:11 [AaronSw]
Man, you're hogging the server -- I keep getting back "Invalid response received from application."
19:34:16 [AaronSw]
it's only like 250MB
19:34:27 [Morbus]
hehe. i love how they ask what kind of food you eat.
19:34:32 [Morbus]
so ass is with this?
19:34:36 [Morbus]
have you used it yet?
19:34:40 [AaronSw]
yeah a little
19:34:45 [Morbus]
is it a dmg?
19:34:52 [Morbus]
then i can burn it to cd off the win32/ti
19:34:55 [Morbus]
t1, rather
19:35:14 [AaronSw]
it's a .dmg.bin
19:35:30 [Morbus]
:(
19:35:33 [Morbus]
i don't see it.
19:35:39 [Morbus]
i only have the oct 2001 thing
19:35:56 [AaronSw]
Ah, you must be a luser user -- you'll have to wait until the 10th i guess
19:36:22 [Morbus]
bah!
19:36:36 [Morbus]
all that for nothing.
19:36:46 [Morbus]
course, i'll have to go through this again on the 10th. cos i forgot already
19:37:15 [AaronSw]
lol
19:48:33 [AaronSw]
cool, my useless applescript studio program works
19:48:56 [Morbus]
whats it do?
19:49:06 [AaronSw]
nothing
19:49:07 [AaronSw]
:-)
19:49:11 [Morbus]
yay!
19:51:08 [Morbus]
ooh. is 42bytes a second too slow on the throttle?
19:52:56 [AaronSw]
heh heh
19:54:52 [Morbus]
man, thius throttle does not work well.
19:56:35 [AaronSw]
man, apple script synax is messed
19:57:05 [Morbus]
whys that?
19:57:41 [Morbus]
you know, i think this throttle only works on a stop/start of the app
19:57:54 [AaronSw]
like, you have to guess if you want "on" "into" "with" or "for"
19:58:07 [AaronSw]
I don't see how people are seriously going to program in it
19:58:59 [Morbus]
ok. good. 25k to 30k is pretty innocent.
19:59:15 [AaronSw]
Wohoo! I got a dialog box going
19:59:25 [Morbus]
oOOhQ
19:59:34 [Morbus]
hey, let's make something in as together.
19:59:45 [AaronSw]
k, like what?
19:59:53 [Morbus]
pft. i dunno. you think i know all the answers?
20:00:00 [AaronSw]
heh heh
20:00:22 [Morbus]
hmmm...
20:00:50 [AaronSw]
it's got a lot of demos
20:01:00 [Morbus]
good. demo's are good.
20:01:02 [Morbus]
let's make a bot.
20:01:12 [Morbus]
no, that wouldn't work.
20:01:31 [AaronSw]
oh awesome
20:01:32 [Morbus]
dammit. as doesnt' really have much in the way of non-external program code, does it?
20:01:34 [Morbus]
what?
20:01:41 [AaronSw]
there's a "do script" thing that let's you run shell commands
20:01:46 [Morbus]
ooh.
20:01:50 [AaronSw]
yeah, AppleScript's only way out is like thru XML-RPC
20:02:08 [Morbus]
hmm...
20:02:13 [Morbus]
does it continuously listen to the do script?
20:02:28 [Morbus]
like, if we set up a daemon debug or whatever, would it grab each line and re... no. it wouldn't. nevermind.
20:02:31 [Morbus]
sigh.
20:02:33 [AaronSw]
no, i don't think so
20:03:03 [Morbus]
wtf?
20:03:08 [Morbus]
now it just shot up to 75k again.
20:03:09 [Morbus]
argh.
20:04:07 [Morbus]
i wish this stupid thing would stop relogging into servers.
20:04:17 [Morbus]
i get on a nice slow server, then it relogins into a fast one, and all hell breaks lose.
20:07:05 [AaronSw]
heh
20:09:08 [Morbus]
so what can we do with this?
20:09:48 [AaronSw]
build stuff in interface builder but code in applescript
20:09:55 [AaronSw]
:-)
20:10:01 [Morbus]
heh.
20:12:34 [AaronSw]
http://developer.apple.com/techpubs/macosx/CoreTechnologies/AppleScriptStudio/applescriptstudio/index.html
20:13:32 [Morbus]
ooh. good.
20:14:56 [Morbus]
maybe i can think of something to do.
20:15:21 [Morbus]
you could make mad ass command line gui's with this.
20:16:05 [Morbus]
installing the devtools doesn't require 10.1.2, right?
20:16:16 [AaronSw]
doesn't seem to
20:17:29 [Morbus]
did you know ora had a jabber book? i didn't know that.
20:18:28 [Morbus]
hmm. can applescript create html pages and then send them ot a browser?
20:18:36 [Morbus]
it'd be super easy to create a hypercardish sorta thing if it could.
20:19:36 [AaronSw]
No, haven't heard of that jabber book
20:19:43 [AaronSw]
why would you want to use it to create html pages?
20:19:44 [Morbus]
wait, how did you buld that ass thing?
20:19:49 [AaronSw]
in project builder
20:19:52 [Morbus]
"Note: AppleScript Studio and applications you build with AppleScript Studio work only with Mac OS X version 10.1.2 or later. See Appendix A, "AppleScript Studio System Requirements", for more information."
20:20:00 [Morbus]
oh. huh?
20:20:09 [AaronSw]
Weird.
20:20:12 [Morbus]
can as create normal windows?
20:20:17 [Morbus]
with images, text, etc?
20:20:20 [AaronSw]
yeah, it builds full apps
20:20:21 [Morbus]
or just dialogs?
20:20:25 [Morbus]
ah. cool.
20:20:35 [Morbus]
we could create a p2p game. there ya go.
20:20:35 [AaronSw]
no, complete apps with multiple windows, menubars, double-clickable icons
20:20:39 [AaronSw]
ooh
20:20:42 [Morbus]
and we could dev diary the thing over at gameghrene.
20:21:38 [Morbus]
ooh?
20:22:32 [AaronSw]
nothin
20:23:03 [AaronSw]
@ http://developer.apple.com/techpubs/macosx/CoreTechnologies/AppleScriptStudio/applescriptstudio/
20:23:09 [chumpster]
E: Building Applications With AppleScript Studio from AaronSw
20:23:23 [AaronSw]
E::At long last, Apple releases AppleScript Studio.
20:23:24 [chumpster]
commented item E
20:23:35 [Morbus]
E::And Morbus saw that it was good.
20:23:37 [chumpster]
commented item E
20:23:54 [AaronSw]
E::But, disappointingly, it doesn't support other OSA languages like Python, JavaScript, etc. This is a real bummer.
20:23:56 [chumpster]
commented item E
20:24:12 [Morbus]
can it read from text files?
20:24:17 [sbp]
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20:24:23 [Morbus]
like, could we say "load this file into property list editor and get node 6?"
20:24:35 [AaronSw]
E::If you're interested in support, email [mailto:salREMOVE_CAPITALS@apple.com].
20:24:36 [chumpster]
commented item E
20:24:44 [Morbus]
cos that could support external game db files.
20:24:46 [AaronSw]
Morbus, i think so
20:24:47 [AaronSw]
hey sbp
20:24:49 [Morbus]
you wanna work on a game?
20:24:51 [Morbus]
it'll be fun.
20:25:12 [sbp]
Hi everyone, both of two, the teamsters, yeah, ooooh!, go, go, go!
20:25:16 [AaronSw]
Maybe, have to see how much time I have.
20:26:08 [Morbus]
i could write up some quick thoughts on it.
20:26:16 [Morbus]
its not like i have tons of time either.
20:26:30 [AaronSw]
yeah
20:27:59 [Morbus]
it'd be open source, blah.. .basically think of that browserbased thing, only as a "to see if we can" in applescript.
20:28:04 [Morbus]
did you read that bb thing? what'd you think?
20:28:37 [Morbus]
hey, berry picker.
20:30:27 [AaronSw]
what bb thing?
20:30:52 [Morbus]
browser based thing on gamegrene
20:31:33 [AaronSw]
Oh, didn't get a chance to read it carefully yet
20:32:03 [Morbus]
whoa. its time for Cold Shoulder Morbus with optional Nose Flaring action.
20:32:19 [AaronSw]
heh hehheh
20:34:16 [AaronSw]
I mean, I would send Apple Real Money if they made an OSA version
20:36:06 [Morbus]
real money? jee.
20:38:23 [AaronSw]
Wow: "Forty-six percent of Britain's smokers believe their habit must be safe or the government would not let cigarettes be advertised, a survey by anti-smoking organization ASH showed."
20:38:48 [Morbus]
"in other words, british folk are dumb".
20:39:27 [deltab]
Morbus: no, that shows smokers are dumb
20:39:34 [deltab]
which is a given anyway
20:39:50 [Morbus]
ah, right. good point. i didn't see the 's smokers part.
20:40:02 [Morbus]
just read "British".
20:40:10 [AaronSw]
heh
20:40:13 [Morbus]
i yell "black lung" when i see a smoker. the crap drives me nuts.
20:40:27 [AaronSw]
it's crazy
20:40:36 [AaronSw]
Ooh, Lego Monty Python! http://www.lego.com/eng/studios/screening/movie.asp?title=montypython
20:40:46 [deltab]
?!
20:40:58 [Morbus]
did you see the lego bible?
20:41:00 [AaronSw]
Hilarious!
20:41:09 [Morbus]
er, the lego new testament, i think
20:42:03 [AaronSw]
no
20:42:27 [AaronSw]
Heh, that was funny.
20:43:26 [deltab]
hmm, all I see there is links to video clips, and "Jewel Quest"
20:43:42 [AaronSw]
Hmm?
20:43:51 [AaronSw]
Did you leave the ?title=montypython bit on?
20:43:54 [AaronSw]
http://www.lego.com/eng/studios/screening/movie.asp?title=montypython
20:44:24 [deltab]
yes
20:45:18 [deltab]
though it even without that it's the same
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20:46:27 [AaronSw]
deltab, weird...
20:46:43 [AaronSw]
maybe you need cookies or something
20:46:52 [Morbus]
i got christmas candy if you want some.
20:46:57 [AaronSw]
How about here: http://www.lego.com/eng/studios/screening/
20:47:00 [sbp]
* sbp tells sbp to shut up
20:47:08 [sbp]
Christmas candy!
20:47:11 [Morbus]
* Morbus recurses.
20:47:12 [AaronSw]
I see it as the first one in the list
20:47:15 [Morbus]
fuck!
20:47:17 [AaronSw]
@ http://www.lego.com/eng/studios/screening/
20:47:20 [chumpster]
F: LEGO Studios Screening Room from AaronSw
20:47:20 [Morbus]
* Morbus recurses
20:47:23 [Morbus]
fuck!
20:47:27 [Morbus]
ok. that was fun.
20:47:34 [AaronSw]
F::Including a very funny [Monty Python short|http://www.lego.com/eng/studios/screening/movie.asp?title=montypython].
20:47:35 [chumpster]
commented item F
20:48:18 [Morbus]
AaronSw, can as control an app that isn't open?
20:48:33 [Morbus]
like, could we open property list editor hidden and control it that way? or would the user see the data files?
20:48:34 [AaronSw]
hmm, i think it depends on what it's doing
20:48:36 [Morbus]
or the .plist, rather.
20:48:47 [AaronSw]
i'm pretty sure it can handle with plists by itself
20:48:51 [Morbus]
cos i was thinking that our xml data files could be plists.
20:48:55 [Morbus]
oh cool.
20:49:06 [Morbus]
although, i'm not very fond of plists.
20:49:24 [Morbus]
does it have a generic xml parser inside? or good text munging?
20:49:52 [AaronSw]
i dunno!
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20:53:23 [Morbus]
wnsbp
20:53:32 [sbp]
wn?
20:53:38 [Morbus]
$_[1] = b; rather
21:19:57 [Morbus]
done any more ass stuff?
21:20:50 [AaronSw]
nope, not yet
21:20:55 [sbp]
ass stuff?
21:21:04 [AaronSw]
AppleScript Studio
21:21:05 [Morbus]
yeah, you know. buggery.
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hey GabeW
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21:25:04 [GabeW]
hey
21:25:06 [GabeW]
damn, attbi is not coming out of the gates very well
21:25:39 [AaronSw]
Oh? What happened to you?
21:25:49 [GabeW]
its incredibly slow
21:25:49 [AaronSw]
Ooh, Hannukkah next week.
21:26:13 [AaronSw]
Hmm.
21:26:21 [AaronSw]
like how slow?
21:26:28 [AaronSw]
i get 800k on 2wire.com
21:26:30 [GabeW]
like if I had a modem on my machine, I'd use it
21:26:35 [AaronSw]
lol
21:26:39 [AaronSw]
that really sucks
21:26:50 [AaronSw]
so much for bandwidth caps!
21:26:53 [GabeW]
yah - even my mom is complaining
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21:27:11 [AaronSw]
i guess they figured you bay area folks can just live in at your cubicles
21:27:44 [GabeW]
well, many people have other options than cable modems - att will lose some significant % of their customer base
21:28:45 [AaronSw]
did you ever find out why it's so slow?
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21:29:01 [GabeW]
oh I'm sure its because att's network is a joke
21:29:14 [GabeW]
apparently they threw it together
21:29:25 [AaronSw]
then why's it so fast for me?
21:29:33 [GabeW]
You are using att broadband?
21:29:38 [AaronSw]
yeah
21:29:39 [AaronSw]
attbi
21:29:43 [GabeW]
well, who knows
21:29:57 [GabeW]
it could be a local problem, that's not unheard of
21:30:06 [GabeW]
but its definitely not just me
21:30:43 [GabeW]
to be more precise - the "slowness" seems to be intermittent
21:30:58 [GabeW]
I should see if they are dropping a lot of packets or something
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* AaronSw verifies Ian's random seed
21:45:38 [AaronSw]
Looks reasonable:
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-> 1167.10
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-> 8-4-0-5
21:45:52 [AaronSw]
-> 1028.4
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wb, xena!
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23:26:21 [Morbus]
article seems to be out.
23:28:18 [sbp]
Where?
23:31:12 [Morbus]
@ http://oreillynet.com/pub/a/mac/2001/12/07/apache.html
23:31:15 [chumpster]
G: http://oreillynet.com/pub/a/mac/2001/12/07/apache.html from Morbus
23:31:51 [Morbus]
G::Apache Web-Serving with Mac OS X: Part 1
23:31:52 [chumpster]
commented item G
23:31:56 [Morbus]
G:|Apache Web-Serving with Mac OS X: Part 1
23:31:58 [chumpster]
titled item G
23:32:05 [Morbus]
G::By yours, truly, w00t!
23:32:06 [chumpster]
commented item G
23:32:21 [sbp]
Ooh, it really is!
23:32:53 [sbp]
Who's "Ken"?
23:33:06 [Morbus]
i dunno. i told him about that.
23:33:15 [sbp]
G::[http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/au/779|Mr. Truly]
23:33:16 [chumpster]
commented item G
23:33:24 [Morbus]
heh, heh.
23:34:43 [sbp]
Hmm... feels like I've read this article before. Oh well, worth reading it again :-)
23:34:57 [Morbus]
hehheh
23:36:52 [Morbus]
man, i got so much stuff to do today
23:38:44 [sbp]
oh, I love that footnote
23:38:50 [Morbus]
yah? <G>
23:55:02 [Morbus]
logster, grep Morbus Kevin Hemenway
23:55:45 [logster]
I'm logging. I found 1 answer for 'Morbus Kevin Hemenway'
23:55:46 [logster]
0) 2001-12-07 23:55:02 <Morbus> logster, grep Morbus Kevin Hemenway
23:55:49 [sbp]
logster, grep Morbus.*Kevin Hemenway
23:56:02 [logster]
I'm logging. I found 3 answers for 'Morbus.*Kevin Hemenway'
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0) 2001-12-07 23:55:49 <sbp> logster, grep Morbus.*Kevin Hemenway
23:56:04 [logster]
1) 2001-12-07 23:55:02 <Morbus> logster, grep Morbus Kevin Hemenway
23:56:05 [logster]
2) 2001-12-05 23:59:44 <Morbus> Kevin Hemenway, better known as Morbus Iff, is the creator of <a href="http://www.disobey.com/">disobey.com</a>, which bills itself as "content for the discontented". Publisher and developer of more home cooking than you could ever imagine, he
23:56:35 [Morbus]
grumble...
23:58:49 [sbp]
what?
23:59:38 [Morbus]
i was gonna show derrick the identity crisis thingy i had with what name to use (cos he got worried about Kevin / Ken / Morbus <g>) but too late now.
23:59:40 [Morbus]
not that important.