IRC log of swhack on 2001-12-04

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00:02:14 [sbp]
Make me
00:02:28 [Morbus]
* Morbus is currently listening to 'Song For Shelter' on Fatboy Slim's album 'Halfway Between The Gutter And The Stars'.
00:02:28 [Morbus]
!itunes
00:02:32 [AaronSw]
Make me not make me make you.
00:02:43 [sbp]
heh, heh
00:02:50 [Morbus]
* Morbus is currently listening to 'Song For Shelter' on Fatboy Slim's album 'Halfway Between The Gutter And The Stars'.
00:02:57 [Morbus]
* Morbus is currently listening to 'Song For Shelter' on Fatboy Slim's album 'Halfway Between The Gutter And The Stars'.
00:03:06 [Morbus]
* Morbus is currently listening to 'Song For Shelter' on Fatboy Slim's album 'Halfway Between The Gutter And The Stars'.
00:03:10 [Morbus]
* Morbus is currently listening to 'Song For Shelter' on Fatboy Slim's album 'Halfway Between The Gutter And The Stars'.
00:03:12 [Morbus]
will you stop that <g>
00:03:12 [Morbus]
* Morbus is currently listening to 'Song For Shelter' on Fatboy Slim's album 'Halfway Between The Gutter And The Stars'.
00:04:11 [deus_x]
O_o
00:04:28 [Morbus]
yeah, well, blame someone else.
00:04:39 [Morbus]
or rather, blame me for not putting in an annoying user-o-meter ;)
00:04:40 [deus_x]
I BLAME HARRY POTTER!
00:04:46 [Morbus]
lol.
00:04:55 [AaronSw]
Morbus, can you stop spamming the channel like that.
00:05:05 [Morbus]
the one who smelt it, dealt it.
00:05:09 [Morbus]
works both way, chikadoo ;)
00:05:24 [AaronSw]
And since you smelt it first...
00:06:11 [deus_x]
Now that you mention it, it does smell in here.
00:07:14 [AaronSw]
gotta run, dinner
00:07:25 [sbp]
c'ya
00:07:29 [sbp]
cool: http://www.w3.org/2001/03/thread
00:07:36 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw has disappeared (do it in the road
00:07:38 [AaronSw]
)
00:12:37 [sbp]
no one will be watching us
00:14:23 [rillian]
rillian (~giles@bnhx45bny45lk.bc.hsia.telus.net) has joined #swhack
00:14:44 [sbp]
rillian!
00:14:51 [rillian]
the channel just keeps getting bigger
00:14:51 [Morbus]
yay!
00:14:59 [Morbus]
we keep making bots ;)
00:15:06 [rillian]
lol
00:15:16 [sbp]
yeah, there's only me and Morbus in here, really
00:15:18 [rillian]
'lo everyone
00:15:22 [sbp]
"Morbus and I"
00:15:29 [sbp]
[[[
00:15:29 [sbp]
<rdf:RDF xmlns:log="http://www.w3.org/2000/10/swap/log#"
00:15:29 [sbp]
xmlns:rdf="http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#">
00:15:29 [sbp]
<rdf:Description rdf:about="http://webns.net/roughterms/Sean">
00:15:29 [sbp]
<hasHomepage xmlns="http://webns.net/roughterms/"
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rdf:resource="http://purl.org/net/sbp/"/>
00:15:31 [sbp]
</rdf:Description>
00:15:33 [sbp]
</rdf:RDF>
00:15:35 [sbp]
]]]
00:15:51 [sbp]
- http://purl.org/swag/n3tordf?text=@prefix+%3A+%3Chttp%3A%2F%2Fwebns.net%2Froughterms%2F%3E+.%0D%0A%3ASean+%3AhasHomepage+%3Chttp%3A%2F%2Fpurl.org%2Fnet%2Fsbp%2F%3E+.
00:16:03 [sbp]
sorry, I get the urge to do a bit of pasting, now and then
00:16:09 [rillian]
sbp: me is correct the way you phrased i
00:16:10 [rillian]
it
00:16:17 [sbp]
i it?
00:16:36 [sbp]
I should have said: "only Morbus and I are present at the moment"
00:16:36 [Morbus]
yeah, i think so.
00:16:48 [Morbus]
actually, yeah, that's right.
00:16:52 [rillian]
that works to
00:16:53 [rillian]
too
00:16:57 [Morbus]
cos you take out the other party and if it makes sense, then it works.
00:17:06 [Morbus]
so only I are present (ie. only I'm present).
00:17:17 [sbp]
only who is when did we?
00:17:51 [rillian]
but your original line because 'it is only me'
00:17:58 [rillian]
so the accusative (me) is proper
00:18:06 [sbp]
logster, grep -i Morbus.*sbp.*sense
00:18:17 [logster]
I'm logging. I found 1 answer for 'Morbus.*sbp.*sense'
00:18:18 [logster]
0) 2001-12-04 00:18:06 <sbp> logster, grep -i Morbus.*sbp.*sense
00:18:24 [sbp]
yes, but I prefer the refactoring
00:18:29 [rillian]
a
00:19:19 [sbp]
a?
00:19:59 [rillian]
a
00:19:59 [sbp]
ah, a
00:19:59 [rillian]
you know. preceedes b.
00:19:59 [sbp]
what does it come after?
00:20:00 [rillian]
''
00:20:01 [sbp]
2001-11-16 02:17:07 <Morbus> sean and i have an affinity for making no sense rather quickly.
00:20:09 [Morbus]
heheh
00:20:26 [sbp]
:-)
00:20:32 [rillian]
sbp: what does your nick stand for again?
00:20:34 [Morbus]
good quote.
00:20:44 [Morbus]
stupid berry picker
00:21:12 [rillian]
is there a story behind that, then?
00:21:21 [Morbus]
heh. you should tell him the story.
00:21:33 [sbp]
oh, dear... do I have to go into the story?
00:21:40 [Morbus]
well, he wants to know.
00:22:01 [sbp]
Once upon a distant time, there was a lonely berry, sitting on the tree, where the dew and the thunderbugs lay
00:22:29 [Morbus]
* Morbus flutters like a butterfly.
00:22:47 [sbp]
In this evesque plain of melodrama and wonderment, there was a stupid whittler named Bersie
00:23:00 [Morbus]
* Morbus whistles a happy ditty.
00:23:16 [tav]
i'm back!
00:23:34 [sbp]
Bersie was quite an odd little character, saddended by the loss of her friend Morbus, who had sailed off to fight the Igor true, and open up the new jam of jar for the noble Princess
00:23:49 [sbp]
So, to ease her pain, she decided to go out and trim the hedges
00:24:10 [sbp]
anyway, she got seduced by someone... er, and then there was a bit of the story that I can't repeat for younger viewers...
00:24:13 [Morbus]
* Morbus stealthily climbs the walls of the Castle Igor
00:24:23 [Morbus]
* Morbus covers his ears and blushes.
00:24:39 [sbp]
er... where do we pick it up again. Ah yes. Bersie stripped off her pan... oh no hang on, I need to skip a bit more
00:24:52 [Morbus]
* Morbus taps impatiently.
00:25:25 [sbp]
Bersie was quite happy after her encounters with the randy froglet, Bernard, but got chronic stupidity disorder
00:25:34 [Morbus]
* Morbus drools.
00:25:57 [sbp]
So she took up berry picking in the evesque valley, and lived happily ever after
00:26:05 [Morbus]
* Morbus reaches the top of the Castle Igor.
00:26:06 [sbp]
Which is why
00:26:21 [sbp]
damn shift key
00:26:40 [sbp]
Which is why I got my nickname; or rather, that's what it stands for. Bet you wish you hadn't asked now, eh?
00:26:54 [Morbus]
* Morbus slews the lazy Igor with a the lid of the newly opened Jam.
00:27:13 [Morbus]
* Morbus slurps lazily and falls asleep happily ever after.
00:27:18 [sbp]
Jam made with the most delectable Fefferberries you ever tasted!
00:27:32 [Morbus]
of course, being quite intoxicating.
00:27:49 [sbp]
well, I know you like to add Gin... I keep telling you it's not good for you
00:31:29 [tav]
gin is most excellent!
00:33:39 [Morbus]
i've rum and vodka now.
00:36:17 [Morbus]
* Morbus is currently listening to 'Mind Your Own Business' on Chicks on Speed's album 'Re-Releases of the Un-Releases'.
00:36:17 [Morbus]
!itunes
00:39:45 [sbp]
ta da: http://infomesh.net/2001/12/bersie/
00:40:04 [Morbus]
lol
00:40:14 [Morbus]
that's awesome.
00:40:45 [sbp]
* sbp needs to strip off the "good quote" and add some CSS
00:40:56 [Morbus]
and pictures of Jam.
00:40:57 [Morbus]
:)
00:42:38 [sbp]
sand me some by ether
00:42:51 [sbp]
s/sand/smürgen/
00:44:06 [sbp]
heh, that's quite a good little story. I wonder if we can get it published in the N.Y. Times?
00:45:09 [Morbus]
hey, if Kevin Smith can do it.
00:45:20 [Morbus]
i'll get the syncasaurus logo artist to draw it up ;)
00:45:45 [Morbus]
mmkay.
00:45:52 [sbp]
ooh, illustrations
00:45:56 [Morbus]
i'm nearly done this article. i was wondering if someone could start reading it over. deltab, you around?
00:46:05 [Morbus]
or if sbp would like to.
00:46:08 [Morbus]
the more the better.
00:46:25 [sbp]
yeah, go on then
00:47:05 [Morbus]
http://63.173.138.149/apache.html
00:47:08 [Morbus]
that should get you there.
00:47:51 [Morbus]
oh damn.
00:47:59 [sbp]
The requested URL /apache.html was not found on this server. Screw you.
00:48:00 [Morbus]
try 149/~morbus/
00:48:09 [sbp]
O.K., I added the last bit, but it was implied
00:50:01 [sbp]
the page seems to be stuck downloading
00:50:42 [sbp]
Mr. Iff?
00:50:51 [sbp]
Hmm... connection gone?
00:51:02 [Morbus]
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00:51:33 [rillian]
sbp: thanks. now I know
00:51:40 [rillian]
only one question remains
00:51:48 [rillian]
before my satisfaction is complete
00:52:02 [sbp]
go for it
00:52:24 [rillian]
what does 'evesque' mean? :)
00:52:54 [sbp]
.google evesque
00:52:56 [xena]
evesque: http://www.bm-rennes.fr/Lire/BourgEvesque.htm
00:52:56 [AaronSw]
This month's adbusters is really good
00:53:08 [AaronSw]
That magazine just gets better and better each month.
00:53:12 [AaronSw]
.webster evesque
00:53:29 [AaronSw]
.wn evesque
00:53:46 [rillian]
it's not in the standard dictionaries
00:53:55 [rillian]
I was too lazy to pull down the OED
00:54:10 [Morbus]
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00:54:31 [rillian]
it's really, really criminal what they charge for electronic access
00:54:52 [sbp]
Aaron, did you read http://infomesh.net/2001/12/bersie/ yet?
00:54:55 [sbp]
ah, wb Morbus
00:54:57 [AaronSw]
rillian, indeed.
00:55:16 [AaronSw]
I wish somebody would bookwarez it
00:55:21 [AaronSw]
Morbus, you get this month's adbusters?
00:55:37 [Morbus]
grumble
00:55:44 [Morbus]
ok. instead of 149 for the fourth quad, its 133
00:55:47 [Morbus]
nope.
00:56:22 [Morbus]
is this the standard way of doing this?
00:56:22 [Morbus]
<? phpinfo() ?>
00:56:28 [rillian]
AaronSw: well, the CD is actually cheaper than the subscription service
00:56:33 [Morbus]
it works, but is that correct?
00:56:35 [AaronSw]
Has rillian completed his quest for wit?
00:56:48 [AaronSw]
It's not about the money, Morb!
00:56:52 [rillian]
it's just the sort of thing it's nice to have the up-to-date-version
00:56:53 [AaronSw]
It's about the jam.
00:56:54 [Morbus]
huh?
00:56:58 [Morbus]
heh.
00:57:00 [sbp]
:-)
00:57:38 [Morbus]
AaronSw, you want to start reading my article?
00:57:43 [Morbus]
for review? rip it apart, etc.
00:57:53 [AaronSw]
I see...
01:00:04 [rillian]
hmm. US$750/yr for unlimited access from one ip address
01:00:20 [rillian]
why doesn't someone set up an open mirror then? :)
01:00:30 [sbp]
so, rillian, what does your nick stand for?
01:00:39 [rillian]
itself
01:00:48 [AaronSw]
rillian, exactly.
01:00:54 [AaronSw]
We need mirrors!
01:01:03 [Morbus]
a mirror of what?
01:01:11 [AaronSw]
proxies!
01:01:15 [rillian]
ah, *start* at us$750, depending on the nature of the org
01:01:16 [AaronSw]
information laundries1
01:01:20 [Morbus]
a mirror of proxies?
01:01:28 [AaronSw]
No, of the OED
01:02:56 [rillian]
AaronSw: we saw a cd on sale for cdn$400 last year, but when we went back to buy it 'twas gone
01:03:16 [AaronSw]
.change 400 can to usd
01:03:17 [xena]
sorry, there is no currency called CAN
01:03:21 [AaronSw]
.change 400 cdn to usd
01:03:22 [xena]
sorry, there is no currency called CDN
01:03:29 [AaronSw]
.change 400 cnd to usd
01:03:29 [xena]
sorry, there is no currency called CND
01:03:32 [rillian]
that's really funn, actually :)
01:03:34 [AaronSw]
hmmph
01:03:35 [rillian]
funny
01:03:43 [rillian]
~1.58
01:03:48 [AaronSw]
lol
01:03:57 [rillian]
so like us$280
01:04:15 [AaronSw]
Oh, whoops, thought you meant CAN$400 -> US$1.58
01:04:17 [AaronSw]
:-)
01:04:52 [Morbus]
yeah, with the exchange rate and all, when canada contributes 3 planes and 500 soldiers for the war on terrorism, we really get 3 toy windup planes, and 20 flying squirrels.
01:05:35 [sbp]
"Glad you wondered?" aaaaaaaaaargh!
01:05:36 [AaronSw]
lol
01:05:38 [rillian]
Morbus: HIGHLY TRAINED flying squirrels
01:05:57 [Morbus]
Glad you wondered?
01:06:43 [AaronSw]
Anyone know why Canada is passing take-away-your-civil-liberties, oops, I mean war-on-terrorism-legislation? Did Bush threaten to knock over CN Tower or something?
01:07:36 [rillian]
* rillian ponders joining the acm
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01:07:51 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw grabs his new issue of CACM.
01:07:55 [AaronSw]
It's on collaboration!
01:08:02 [sbp]
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01:08:30 [sbp]
Man, I hate use/mention. I also hate cereal with dead animal parts in it, but that's another story
01:08:55 [Morbus]
like lucky charms? it has rabbits feet.
01:09:00 [Morbus]
and crows beak and crap.
01:09:41 [sbp]
On a totally unrelated matter, where do you do your shopping?
01:09:49 [Morbus]
who, me?
01:09:54 [Morbus]
shopping for what?
01:10:32 [AaronSw]
I don't shop, I culture jam.
01:10:42 [sbp]
Let's jam!
01:11:02 [Morbus]
did someone say jam?
01:11:32 [AaronSw]
I love the FANCLUB culture jam in this month's adbusters
01:12:28 [Morbus]
* Morbus is currently listening to 'Ruff In The Bizness' on Prodigy's album 'Experience Expanded, Disk 1'.
01:12:28 [Morbus]
!itunes
01:14:08 [Morbus]
so, we could do $$ $?
01:14:36 [Morbus]
anyone know of php apps that don't use an rdbms?
01:14:50 [Morbus]
like a billing program, or support tracker? or message board?
01:14:51 [AaronSw]
Morbus, you should send Rael an email with your thoughts on XML::RSS
01:15:06 [Morbus]
i need a third example for this intranet, but don't want to get into installed MySQL or whatever.
01:15:09 [Morbus]
AaronSw, that's what he said?
01:15:32 [AaronSw]
No, he actually said, "keep that @^#&*@ idiot away from me" but I translated a tad.
01:15:39 [AaronSw]
I heard PHP is the devil.
01:15:50 [Morbus]
oh. well, you tell him I hate trains. see how HE likes it. bastard.
01:17:07 [AaronSw]
rillian, what does evesque mean?
01:17:55 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw finishes up ripping the Beatles Anthology
01:18:07 [AaronSw]
CDDB sucks -- it calls each CD something totally different.
01:18:18 [Morbus]
yup, cddb does suck. i never trust it.
01:18:24 [Morbus]
i get track info from cdnow.com and fill it in myself.
01:18:30 [AaronSw]
Hmm, now I have to choose between two identical things.
01:18:38 [AaronSw]
I'm waiting for TuneTagger.
01:18:43 [sbp]
TT?
01:18:52 [rillian]
AaronSw: I didn't discover.
01:19:06 [AaronSw]
TuneTagger: Yeah, it adds metadata from MusicBrainz.
01:19:13 [AaronSw]
rewrites the ID3 tags
01:19:21 [AaronSw]
.google tunetagger
01:19:23 [xena]
tunetagger: http://sourceforge.net/projects/tunetagger
01:19:28 [rillian]
the url is for a 'Bibliotheque Bourg l'Evesque'
01:19:37 [rillian]
so I assume it's some valley in france?
01:20:17 [rillian]
all the other results are on someone's last name
01:20:31 [AaronSw]
I think it's phenomic.
01:21:28 [AaronSw]
Shoot, i just forgot something important.
01:21:39 [rillian]
Jean l'Evesque de la Cassiere, the 51st Grandmaster of The Sovereign Military and Hospitaller Order of St. John of Jerusalem of Rhodes and of Malta. :)
01:22:45 [AaronSw]
Ah, I remember now!
01:23:02 [AaronSw]
Whenever anyone here gets a chance to write a part of a book, include the word phenomic!
01:23:06 [AaronSw]
Then we can write the OED.
01:23:16 [Morbus]
ok. i'll throw it in this article somewhere.
01:23:27 [Morbus]
what's it mean?
01:23:29 [Morbus]
<g>
01:23:30 [sbp]
ooh, good idea
01:23:33 [AaronSw]
It means a made-up word.
01:23:37 [AaronSw]
That sounds good.
01:23:40 [AaronSw]
(It's weird -- when I forgot that, I remembered the exact place I came up with that idea.)
01:23:43 [sbp]
er... http://infomesh.net/2001/phenomic/
01:23:47 [AaronSw]
(But not the idea itself.)
01:24:05 [Morbus]
like Feature Lane, Impressiville?
01:24:15 [AaronSw]
Heh.
01:24:29 [sbp]
'tis an adjective, but it doesn't matter if you have to bend it a little
01:24:30 [AaronSw]
phenomic /fen.'om.ik/ adj.
01:24:30 [AaronSw]
(Of a word) the quality of being pleasant to say, or of being memorable in some way. Especially a word which has been invented for this purpose.
01:24:33 [Morbus]
which I use to start the PHP section of that articl e;)
01:26:47 [AaronSw]
Ugh, why is the new version of autoconf in the autoconf25 package?
01:27:33 [AaronSw]
Fink better have had a good reason...
01:27:53 [AaronSw]
Is SF down again?
01:28:01 [Morbus]
i was having probs this afternoon, yeah.
01:28:17 [AaronSw]
oops, never mind
01:28:33 [AaronSw]
just being slow, i guess
01:29:07 [AaronSw]
I think Morbus should write the RDF Primer for us. He's got strong narrative voice.
01:29:24 [AaronSw]
I'd take over editorship, but I'm not really sure it's so important anymore.
01:29:28 [Morbus]
i'd be willign to do it, but i have no idea about rdf.
01:29:31 [AaronSw]
Instead, Frank got the job.
01:29:45 [Morbus]
you serious, btw, or pulling my leg?
01:29:53 [AaronSw]
Ah, that's no problem.
01:29:53 [Morbus]
oh you-who-hates-my-saliva-laced-ravings.
01:30:00 [AaronSw]
No, I'm serious.
01:30:08 [AaronSw]
You've got very strong narrative voice.
01:30:16 [AaronSw]
Despite the saliva.
01:30:28 [Morbus]
ah. cool. thanks.
01:30:41 [AaronSw]
And I'm really worried that the Primer is not going to hold together.
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01:50:21 [AaronSw]
Whoa, John Grohol is the Segway webmaster?
01:50:48 [AaronSw]
I wonder if it's the same...
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* AaronSw just submitted a SourceForge proposal for warez.sourceforge.net
02:25:12 [rillian]
:)
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02:26:35 [AaronSw]
"""
02:26:37 [AaronSw]
This project will provide software programs and important backups of them using the SourceForge hosting service so that others may download from a high-speed server. All too often, important software is not available to those who need it. Also, open source projects hosted on servers other than SourceForge can be unreliable at times, causing developers to lose software essential to their work.
02:26:49 [AaronSw]
This project hopes to change this by providing hosting for this important class of software. We hope to use the SourceForge FTP/HTTP software distribution network and web hosting for this purpose.
02:26:50 [AaronSw]
"""
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02:35:02 [tav]
LOL
02:35:32 [AaronSw]
:-)
02:35:36 [AaronSw]
Wish me luck.
02:35:59 [TheTick]
* TheTick searches around for warez in anticipation of warez.sf.net
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03:00:49 [dngxor]
AaronSw: that's twisted. good luck.
03:00:55 [AaronSw]
Heh.
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03:15:30 [Morbus]
* Morbus yawns
03:20:23 [Morbus]
heh. last few paragraphs of my article:
03:20:30 [Morbus]
"It's three in the morning. You've gone through three six packs of soda, two tins of Penguin Mints, and an untold number of delicious snacky treats. You've got a CGI poll script ready to quiz the employees on the menu for the next company picnic, a SSI image gallery that happily sends the marketing department into a drool dripping feature panic, and a PHP app that your developers can track and monitor their sloppy code with."
03:20:52 [Morbus]
"Now what?"
03:21:50 [AaronSw]
.acronym wfm
03:21:52 [xena]
wfm: Works For Me, Wait for Me (Internet chat), What Freakin' Manual? (response to RTFM), Wired For Management (Intel), Women's FIDE Master, Work Force Management, Workflow Management, Workflow Manager
03:22:02 [GabeW]
sounds a little like the scene in the original Blues Brothers movie.. with a twist
03:22:07 [sbp]
heh, heh, heh
03:22:17 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw just finished .acronym and .dtrt
03:22:38 [AaronSw]
.rfc coffee
03:22:41 [xena]
1. RFC2325 : Definitions of Managed Objects for Drip-Type Heated Beverage Hardware Devices using SMIv2 : http://rfc.net/rfc2325.html
03:22:42 [xena]
2. RFC2324 : Hyper Text Coffee Pot Control Protocol (HTCPCP/1.0) : http://rfc.net/rfc2324.html
03:22:44 [Morbus]
never seen that movie. whatdya mean?
03:22:50 [GabeW]
.rfc beep
03:22:53 [xena]
1. RFC3195 : Reliable Delivery for syslog : http://rfc.net/rfc3195.html
03:22:53 [xena]
2. RFC3117 : On the Design of Application Protocols : http://rfc.net/rfc3117.html
03:23:06 [GabeW]
.rfc blocks
03:23:09 [xena]
1. RFC3195 : Reliable Delivery for syslog : http://rfc.net/rfc3195.html
03:23:10 [xena]
2. RFC3117 : On the Design of Application Protocols : http://rfc.net/rfc3117.html
03:23:18 [GabeW]
.rfc 3080
03:23:18 [xena]
http://rfc.net/rfc3080.html : The Blocks Extensible Exchange Protocol Core
03:23:23 [GabeW]
.rfc 3081
03:23:24 [xena]
http://rfc.net/rfc3081.html : Mapping the BEEP Core onto TCP
03:28:09 [GabeW]
.rfc urn
03:28:13 [xena]
1. RFC3188 : Using National Bibliography Numbers as Uniform Resource Names : http://rfc.net/rfc3188.html
03:28:13 [xena]
2. RFC3187 : Using International Standard Book Numbers as Uniform Resource Names : http://rfc.net/rfc3187.html
03:28:31 [GabeW]
.rfc 2457
03:28:32 [xena]
http://rfc.net/rfc2457.html : Definitions of Managed Objects for Extended Border Node
03:28:38 [GabeW]
.rfc 2547
03:28:38 [xena]
http://rfc.net/rfc2547.html : BGP/MPLS VPNs
03:29:03 [GabeW]
.rfc 822
03:29:04 [xena]
http://rfc.net/rfc822.html : Standard for the format of ARPA Internet text messages
03:29:54 [AaronSw]
let's not get carried away, here
03:30:10 [GabeW]
why not - I thought this was for non-sequitur abuse?
03:30:34 [Morbus]
gabe, if you're done, its my turn to play <g>
03:30:35 [AaronSw]
heh
03:31:01 [GabeW]
I'm done
03:31:08 [Morbus]
yay!
03:31:13 [Morbus]
lemme set up some macros first <g>
03:33:32 [GabeW]
I need my own personal xena
03:33:58 [AaronSw]
GabeW, why doesn't the public one do?
03:34:30 [GabeW]
uh, because I can't call it mine - actually I could, but that'd be pretty dumb..
03:34:30 [Morbus]
he can't call it his own.
03:34:53 [GabeW]
it'd be pretty dumb to have my own just to call it my own, but I'm not above that neccesarily
03:35:17 [GabeW]
* GabeW is a bot-horder
03:35:19 [GabeW]
hehe
03:35:27 [GabeW]
no, actually I'm not
03:35:44 [AaronSw]
we could release it under a public domain license and you could grab the source and put your name on it.
03:35:50 [AaronSw]
that'd be cool
03:36:06 [AaronSw]
then we'd have to place the trust management game
03:36:32 [GabeW]
huh?
03:36:49 [AaronSw]
to which part?
03:37:47 [GabeW]
"we'd have to place the trust management game"?
03:38:22 [AaronSw]
well, who do we trust?
03:38:33 [AaronSw]
tav, who wants to take over the world
03:38:34 [Morbus]
you could trust me. although i don't know python.
03:38:42 [AaronSw]
me, who saw it a while back
03:38:53 [AaronSw]
GabeW, the guy who divulged his plans on IRC
03:39:02 [GabeW]
did you mean to say "place"?
03:39:07 [AaronSw]
stamper, the 3rd party authority who signed the code and time-stamp
03:39:16 [AaronSw]
Oh, I meant play.
03:39:26 [AaronSw]
play, place -- sound very similar.
03:39:29 [GabeW]
I'm really confused where you are going with this thread
03:39:34 [Morbus]
jesus crhsit, this article goes on forever.
03:39:35 [GabeW]
AaronSw - we aren't talking though
03:39:42 [AaronSw]
I am.
03:39:43 [Morbus]
its' like a magnum opus of never ending crap.
03:39:45 [AaronSw]
:-)
03:39:47 [AaronSw]
lol
03:39:53 [AaronSw]
that's going on crit.
03:39:56 [Morbus]
lol
03:40:10 [Morbus]
what's crit.?
03:40:12 [sagan.openprojects.net]
sagan.openprojects.net has changed the topic to: Morbus: "its' like a magnum opus of never ending crap."
03:40:22 [AaronSw]
crit.org -- lets you annotate the web
03:40:22 [Morbus]
:)
03:40:27 [Morbus]
ah
03:40:31 [Morbus]
huh. never heard of it.
03:41:08 [Morbus]
very interesting
03:41:39 [Morbus]
does it run on os x?
03:42:14 [GabeW]
it appears to be browser based
03:42:17 [AaronSw]
it is
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03:42:48 [Morbus]
you can dl the source though
03:43:08 [AaronSw]
yeah, it's just perl
03:43:12 [AaronSw]
it should run on os x
03:43:17 [Morbus]
cool.
03:43:42 [GabeW]
ok, off for the night or so
03:43:43 [GabeW]
see ya
03:43:47 [Morbus]
see ya GabeW
03:44:22 [AaronSw]
Does the Institute of the Future do anything but get quoted?
03:44:25 [AaronSw]
c'ya, GabeW
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03:47:16 [Morbus]
Lord of the Figs?
03:47:39 [deltab]
Institute of the Future
03:49:27 [AaronSw]
@ http://chris.raettig.org/email/jnl00036.html
03:49:38 [chumpster]
A: http://chris.raettig.org/email/jnl00036.html from AaronSw
03:49:42 [tav]
hmz
03:49:54 [tav]
i see you guys like the .rfc module
03:50:01 [tav]
btw, there is no rfc for sex
03:50:02 [sbp]
.rfc 2396
03:50:03 [xena]
http://rfc.net/rfc2396.html : Uniform Resource Identifiers (URI): Generic Syntax
03:50:05 [tav]
would you believe it
03:50:21 [sbp]
.rfc fucked
03:50:24 [xena]
no results found.
03:50:28 [sbp]
Pff
03:50:29 [tav]
* tav intends to rectify that situation
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.rfc fuck
03:50:36 [xena]
no results found.
03:50:37 [Morbus]
heh. rectify. sex. i get it.
03:50:38 [tav]
.rfc sex
03:50:40 [xena]
no results found.
03:50:45 [tav]
Morbus ;p
03:50:59 [tav]
i sometimes feel my subtle references are lost on this crowd
03:51:02 [sbp]
.google site:www.ietf.org RFC fucked
03:51:03 [xena]
site:www.ietf.org RFC fucked: http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3092.txt
03:51:14 [sbp]
* sbp bows
03:52:21 [sbp]
A::Oh dear...
03:52:22 [chumpster]
commented item A
03:52:38 [tav]
i mean fucked! not, FUBAR!
03:54:14 [sbp]
ya'what?
03:55:33 [sbp]
anyway, the 'night draws on and I have things to do...
03:55:48 [sbp]
heh, that sounded a bit seedy, didn't it?
03:57:47 [AaronSw]
I'm excited that the Segway can help make livable cities a reality again.
03:57:53 [AaronSw]
heh, it did, sbp
03:58:11 [AaronSw]
A:|KPMG tells weblogger to stop linking
03:58:12 [chumpster]
titled item A
03:59:09 [tav]
oi AaronSw
03:59:11 [tav]
join #esp
03:59:19 [tav]
so, i can have offtopic discussions with you
03:59:43 [sbp]
* sbp wonders what could possibly off-topic on #swhack
03:59:51 [Morbus]
um. software?
04:00:03 [Morbus]
ooh. cracking?
04:00:09 [Morbus]
no wait, teletubbies?
04:00:16 [Morbus]
no, we talked about teletubbies before. hmm.
04:00:19 [AaronSw]
tav, this is where we have offtopic discussions.
04:00:22 [AaronSw]
Live with it.
04:00:37 [AaronSw]
I think tav was trying to say that he agreed with me about the Segway.
04:01:09 [tav]
hmz
04:01:29 [tav]
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04:01:31 [sbp]
I've decided that the only thing that could possibly be off-topic for #swhack are discussions about what is off-topic for #swhack (and hence this is off-topic)
04:01:50 [Morbus]
ooh. tav is laying the smackdown
04:01:51 [AaronSw]
A:TimBL on [Links and Law|http://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/LinkMyths]: """We cannot regard anyone as having the "right not to be referred to" without completely pulling the rug out from under free speech."""
04:03:37 [Morbus]
what's that word i'm supposed to use again, AaronSw?
04:03:42 [Morbus]
pedantinc, or something?
04:03:46 [AaronSw]
pedantic
04:03:51 [AaronSw]
oh, phenomic
04:03:52 [sbp]
phenomic!
04:03:53 [AaronSw]
phenomic!
04:03:55 [Morbus]
was it. right. opk
04:04:10 [Morbus]
"If we denied everyone, of course, no one would be able to see our Macstrosity (nice use of phenomics, eh?).
04:04:10 [Morbus]
"
04:04:26 [AaronSw]
Heh.
04:04:30 [Morbus]
good?
04:04:43 [Morbus]
i don't think that'll get past derrick though ;)
04:04:44 [AaronSw]
How about (rather phenomic, eh?)
04:04:45 [sbp]
marvellous
04:04:59 [Morbus]
* Morbus is currently listening to 'Do It For Mama' on Adam Sandler's album 'What The Hell Happened To Me?'.
04:04:59 [Morbus]
!itunes
04:05:00 [AaronSw]
Just to be consistent...
04:05:01 [sbp]
yeah, better to have the proper word in there
04:05:17 [sbp]
.google Semantic Web class Wiki Hendler
04:05:19 [xena]
Semantic Web class Wiki Hendler: http://www.daml.org/listarchive/joint-committee/0751.html
04:05:37 [sbp]
well, it had a link to the right place :-)
04:05:37 [AaronSw]
Can anyone get back to no@NotRegistered-?
04:05:39 [AaronSw]
err
04:05:46 [AaronSw]
err to http://213.235.5.12/chrisr/kpmg.mp3
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04:07:22 [Morbus]
um... dammit.
04:07:28 [Morbus]
what's the word that means "this is the same"
04:07:34 [Morbus]
equivalent. thanks.
04:07:40 [AaronSw]
just about to say that
04:07:55 [sbp]
* sbp posts a short reply to http://dormouse.cs.umd.edu:8080/wiki/where_is_rdfsink.py.wiki
04:10:21 [AaronSw]
A:I think it was [this song|http://213.235.5.12/chrisr/kpmg.mp3] that got KPMG upset. (Too bad I can't get thru to it.)
04:11:21 [sbp]
yes, that is a shame. Does Alexa archive stuff like that?
04:14:13 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw looks to see...
04:15:09 [AaronSw]
Alexa: We'll add the page to our "to be archived list."
04:15:45 [sbp]
oh well
04:16:33 [Morbus]
ok. i think i'm truly on the conclusion this time.
04:16:41 [sbp]
on the what?
04:16:49 [Morbus]
the conclusion. of that articl.
04:17:19 [sbp]
ah
04:22:11 [AaronSw]
@ http://www.manero.org/images/misc/dkps.jpg
04:22:23 [chumpster]
B: http://www.manero.org/images/misc/dkps.jpg from AaronSw
04:22:34 [sbp]
lol
04:22:37 [AaronSw]
B:|Dean Kamen's Pro Segway 2 Released!
04:22:38 [chumpster]
titled item B
04:22:48 [deltab]
haha
04:23:13 [AaronSw]
That's so awesome.
04:23:44 [sbp]
Gotta run
04:23:57 [AaronSw]
c'ya
04:26:17 [AaronSw]
A::[Jason Kottke|http://www.kottke.org/notes/0112.html#011203] calls for folks to [link to KPMG|http://www.kpmg.com/].
04:26:18 [chumpster]
commented item A
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04:33:15 [AaronSw]
http://captions.blogspot.com/ is funny.
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04:58:41 [AaronSw]
Why do I make the same mistakes I complain about? <sigh />
04:59:30 [rillian]
to teach you humility
04:59:46 [AaronSw]
Hmm. Good idea.
05:03:28 [AaronSw]
I used to think being geographically close to people was a poor excuse for being friends. Now I wonder if being electronically close is the same way.
05:29:53 [TheTick]
What do you mean, AaronSw
05:29:56 [TheTick]
?
05:30:27 [TheTick]
Like being friends with channel regulars, just because they're around?
05:30:29 [TheTick]
heh
05:36:26 [AaronSw]
Yeah.
05:36:57 [AaronSw]
The danger is in thinking that their close friends before they actually are.
05:37:34 [AaronSw]
s/their/they're/
05:37:58 [AaronSw]
(if it's not obvious by now, I use the speaking portions of my brain in IRC, not the writing portions.)
05:38:50 [TheTick]
indeed
05:38:54 [TheTick]
Yes, I can see what you mean.
05:40:37 [TheTick]
It takes a good amount of time knowing someone on irc before I consider them an actual friend, heh
05:40:41 [TheTick]
well, time for bed.
05:40:46 [TheTick]
SPOON!
05:40:46 [AaronSw]
Good night.
05:40:52 [AaronSw]
Heh heh heh.
05:41:04 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw refrains from saying "r u my frend?"
05:41:31 [TheTick]
How can another 'Aaron' not be your friend? Honestly!
05:41:32 [TheTick]
*g*
05:41:40 [AaronSw]
Heh heh heh.
05:41:55 [AaronSw]
Wait, are you the Aaron from Webmonkey?
05:41:56 [TheTick]
I have to be at work tomorrow @ 5 am. Ugh.
05:42:24 [TheTick]
As I'm not aware of any other Aaron-named folk in webmonkey, I would say yes.
05:43:05 [AaronSw]
I mean, Webmonkey the web site.
05:43:15 [TheTick]
Nope.
05:43:16 [AaronSw]
Like, this site: http://hotwired.lycos.com/webmonkey/98/10/stuff/aaron.gif
05:43:19 [AaronSw]
err that aaron
05:43:22 [TheTick]
heh
05:43:38 [AaronSw]
What's your last name?
05:43:42 [TheTick]
For sure not me then :)
05:43:47 [TheTick]
Mathews
05:43:56 [AaronSw]
Ah, I think this is Aaron Meyers.
05:44:07 [TheTick]
Interesting coincidence, heh
05:44:12 [AaronSw]
Yeah. :)
05:44:12 [AaronSw]
There are too many Aarons around.
05:44:24 [TheTick]
Indeed.
05:44:29 [TheTick]
There can be only one.
05:44:33 [TheTick]
* TheTick slays you
05:44:36 [AaronSw]
There's this Aaronland.com guy who's just like me.
05:44:38 [TheTick]
;-)
05:44:40 [TheTick]
g'nite
05:44:47 [TheTick]
Oh, I saw that site
05:44:47 [AaronSw]
g'nite
05:44:59 [TheTick]
He had a snapshot of dwiner's site, hah
05:45:04 [AaronSw]
Heh.
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05:45:22 [TheTick]
Someone should write a robot that watches for changes and posts them somewhere, so you can track the revisionist history that is dwiner
05:45:31 [AaronSw]
I did that for a day.
05:45:33 [AaronSw]
It was fun.
05:45:36 [TheTick]
Oh yeah?
05:45:39 [TheTick]
heh heh
05:45:43 [TheTick]
5,000,000 changes
05:45:46 [AaronSw]
You could see him resize photos and stuff.
05:45:52 [AaronSw]
Yeah, there were a lot of changes.
05:45:57 [TheTick]
that's hilarious
05:46:09 [AaronSw]
He also complained about spiders hitting his site that day. Hmm...
05:46:21 [TheTick]
hah
05:46:28 [TheTick]
well maybe if he wrote robust software
05:46:36 [TheTick]
;-)
05:47:06 [TheTick]
hah
05:47:18 [TheTick]
Well have a good night. I'm going to swtich off my monitors and attempt to sleep now
05:47:23 [AaronSw]
nite
05:52:40 [AaronSw]
sleepytime for me too
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* oierw gives an argh to aaron
07:29:58 [oierw]
reasons for 2-way onion routing:
07:30:35 [oierw]
1) it allows for client anonymity
07:31:23 [oierw]
2) it should be harder to trace than one-way
07:31:42 [oierw]
(since the request and the response are seperated on the network itself)
07:32:16 [oierw]
oh yeah. by two way, i mean onion routing that takes a different path to the network and away
07:32:37 [oierw]
3) it really does allow more persistant links on the network
07:33:20 [oierw]
i'll give an example
07:33:52 [oierw]
let's say you are someone who has an online presense and a handle of 'tav'
07:34:05 [oierw]
someone who doesn't want his handle and his real identity linked on the internet
07:35:48 [oierw]
you, this tav person you the two-way onion routing to create a more persistant connection for your auto-filing of all triples (?, email:to :tav)
07:36:31 [oierw]
s/auto-filing/subscription
07:38:11 [oierw]
for such a connection, you specify both the key which the data will be encrypted by and the initial node to receive the data
07:38:37 [oierw]
the node, when it gets new data which fits your request, will automatically send it your way along the path given to the nodes
07:39:38 [oierw]
[the path will have been prechosen by you and every node in the chain only knows it's own part]
07:40:39 [oierw]
now, since only the first node and the data is known, the rest of the path can be dynamically changed as more information comes in
07:41:10 [oierw]
such possible functionality (which won't actually be used for some time) will make it more difficult for data to be followed as it traverses the network
07:42:15 [oierw]
* oierw would ask if that makes sense, but is falling asleep
07:42:44 [oierw]
now, wouldn't it have been better if i had said that in #plex, since i'm trying to make my ideas make sense... which is what i use irc for
07:42:54 [oierw]
:)
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15:12:52 [oierw]
hello reconnecting aaronsw
15:12:56 [AaronSw]
Hello!
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Goodbye!
15:14:12 [AaronSw]
logster, on
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* sbp has a cool new idea for a program, gets hacking
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* sbp is faced with choices, choices!
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hey, sbp, i dunno what it means exactly, but RDF::Notation3 was just uploaded to CPAN (perl modules).
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* sbp waves
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I think it's dajobe's Notation3 parser
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.google "RDF::Notation3"
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"RDF::Notation3": http://search.cpan.org/search?dist=RDF-Notation3
18:11:38 [sbp]
Petr Cimprich? Never heard of him
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Hmm... Sablotron guy
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cf. http://archive.develooper.com/modules@perl.org/msg08120.html
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[[[
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A growing number of RDF/N3 resources requires a parser able to
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parse the N3 format, convert it to RDF/XML, and to interoperate with
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other RDF software written in Perl. Such an extension is missing
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nowdays.
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]]]
18:13:44 [sbp]
and also: http://www.cpan.org/authors/id/P/PC/PCIMPRICH/RDF-Notation3-0.40.readme
18:25:36 [Morbus]
how have you been?
18:25:57 [sbp]
Not too bad, thanks. I came up with a cool idea for a program, and am just trying to get it working
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at the moment, it opens up, and I can make it exit...
18:26:32 [Morbus]
ah. lemme know when you want to debut it to the world ;)
18:26:38 [sbp]
will do :-)
18:27:04 [sbp]
it's nothing spectacular, but I have a feeling that certainly I'm going to be using it an awful lot, so perhaps some other people will be interested
18:27:19 [Morbus]
whats it coded in?
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Python, of course
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of course.
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:-)
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this program is nearly functional, already
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Gotta run
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god, i am so tired
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Well...
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The cable modem works
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but not very well.
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.dns 12.249.136.213
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This is good step in right direction!
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Where's GabeW when you need him?
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They're running some sort of interception proxy so all web traffic redirects to their site.
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.date
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Am I connected?
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yup
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Hmm
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Ah, xena isn't.
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logster, xena?
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I'm logging. I found 861 answers for 'xena' (showing 0...4)
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0) 2001-12-04 19:13:56 <AaronSw> logster, xena?
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1) 2001-12-04 19:12:54 <AaronSw> Ah, xena isn't.
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2) 2001-12-04 19:09:37 <xena> xena has quit (sagan.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net)
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3) 2001-12-04 18:31:22 <xena> xena (xena@mewtwo.espnow.com) has joined #swhack
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4) 2001-12-04 18:30:00 <xena> xena has quit (sagan.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net)
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[14:11] *** Signoff: xena (zahn.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net)
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Ah, are we in another netsplit thingy?
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dunno.
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wb, xena
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.dns 12.249.136.213
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12.249.136.213 - error: host not found
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Ugh!
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HTTP/1.1 302 Found
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Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 19:19:19 GMT
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Server: Apache/1.3.22 (Unix) mod_perl/1.26 mod_ssl/2.8.5 OpenSSL/0.9.6b
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Location: http://transition-aid.attbi.com/attbi_welcome_page.html
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Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1
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I even get that for pages that don't exist!
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WOohoo, fixed thanks to the guys in #infoAnarchy
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My SourceForge project was denied.
19:56:09 [Morbus]
bwahaha. any reason?
19:56:26 [AaronSw]
"The project description you submitted was deemed inadequate for purpose of project approval by the member of the SourceForge team who reviewed your project registration. The project description you submit is used to determine whether your project qualifies for hosting on SourceForge."
19:56:44 [AaronSw]
Doesn't sound appropriate.
19:56:50 [Morbus]
bastard.
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They say I either filled the form with garbage, wasn't specific, or was vague.
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Perhaps I should rebill it as Worldwide Active Research of Entropy for Zoos.
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I know, the Worldwide Active Relational Energy Zone.
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drue came up with a great one -- World Archive Reciprocal Exchange Zone
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heh, heh.
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"""
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We're developing a system we call the World Archive Reciprocal Exchange Zone. It takes data contributions from various users across the Internet and combines them into a massive Internet art project. We'll provide ways to search and query the data repository for research purposes, and allow users to retrieve data they're interested in for further modification and use. We feel this system extends the Open Source paradigm beyond just source code, and is a
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"""
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- http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=489049&group_id=1&atid=200001
20:10:57 [Morbus]
heh, heh.
20:23:21 [AaronSw]
I'm receiving a ton of "my email address changed" and bounced mail from attbi customers.
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This is why you should never tie your mail to anything other than yourself.
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howdy oierw
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BLURB:Cable Modem Update
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C: Cable Modem Update from AaronSw
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C::Well, at long last ATTBI has turned the lights back on. It took a while for me to figure out how to reconfigure (they were running some nasty intercepting proxies), but at least I'm back online.
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commented item C
20:33:03 [AaronSw]
B::On a more serious note, I think the major benefit of the Segway is that it really might give us a chance to take back our cities. Between the car and [some misguided suburban planning|http://logicerror.com/suburbanNation-review] the modern American city hasn't been faring so well. But the Segway, by lengthening the distance people are willing to walk/segway, might make [New Urbanism|http://www.cnu.org/] a reality.
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commented item B
20:36:29 [sagan.openprojects.net]
sagan.openprojects.net has changed the topic to: Choose life
20:36:36 [sagan.openprojects.net]
sagan.openprojects.net has changed the topic to: Choose Life
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B::Find out [How Segways Work|http://www.howstuffworks.com/ginger.htm/printable]
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commented item B
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@ http://www.iftf.org/
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D: http://www.iftf.org/ from AaronSw
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D:|Insitute for the Future
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titled item D
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D:|Institute for the Future
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titled item D
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@ http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/338/nation/After_mystery_hype_scooter_rolls_out+.shtml
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E: http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/338/nation/After_mystery_hype_scooter_rolls_out+.shtml from AaronSw
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E:|Bob Metcalfe: Segway is not "IT".
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titled item E
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E::"""Robert Metcalfe, founder of 3Com and a friend of Kamen's who is familiar with the project, said those who are disappointed that the scooter doesn't live up to the hype might be jumping the gun. The scooter announced yesterday, he said in an e-mail, is not "It." "Dean Kamen still has a few more tricks up his sleeve," Metcalf wrote, "and you ain't seen nothing yet.""""
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commented item E
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D::In a lot of these Segway articles, Paul Saffo, Director of the Institute For the Future is quoted. Which made me wonder: What does the IftF do besides get quoted? The answer appears to be not much.
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commented item D
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E:Meanwhile, [Dean Kamen sends a personal letter|http://www.theitquestion.com/news/kamenletter_120301.asp] to Ginger fans, saying "I realize that nothing, not even Segway HT, can live up to someone's imagination."
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E::Meanwhile, [Dean Kamen sends a personal letter|http://www.theitquestion.com/news/kamenletter_120301.asp] to Ginger fans, saying "I realize that nothing, not even Segway HT, can live up to someone's imagination."
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commented item E
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E::While we were playing the "What is IT?" game, my brother suggested a cardboard box: it can do anything if you have a good imagination. He'll be selling them for $19.95 starting today. ;-)
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commented item E
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hey jillzilla
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* jillzilla waves to AaronSw
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* AaronSw waves
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Just dropped by to say hello.
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Back to work now. :-)
20:49:14 [AaronSw]
Hello. :-)
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* sbp plays Thapsody In Blue
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er... Rhapsody IN Blue
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s/IN/In/
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* sbp reads Lern to tipe in five days
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lol
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what an entrance
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* AaronSw applaudes
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hello aaronsw
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I got my internet connection back, btw
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* sbp takes a bow
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hey oierw
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neat
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They were doing some nasty stuff tho
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i started on removing from my head everything about the plex
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* sbp wonders who got on TAG
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if you didn't update your dns servers, they redirected all websites to the "Welcome to ATTBI" homepage.
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sbp, they finished voting?
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oierw, noo!
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we don't have a spec yet!
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[[[
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The first TAG election ended 28 November. The results of the
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election will be made available separately.
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]]]
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- Ian
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[[[
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28 November 2001: TAG election ends; composition of the TAG will be made public shortly
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*31 October 2001: TAG election starts
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]]] - http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/
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AaronSw: i'm removing it from my head and transposing it on paper
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Ooh, even better!
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Good idea.
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which i will then scan
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and expect help transposing into something which people other than i can read
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great!
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:)
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* AaronSw volunteers for that
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sbp, go bug Ian...
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i wrote up 2 1/2 pages in the car today
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oierw, sounds like a great start
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AaronSw: basically i was writing down everything that we would need to have actual protocols for
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and now i'm saying what my terms mean
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and how it works
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sounds good
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i had a page on persistant onion routing
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never got into the fact that the routing can also be changed at any time
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hmz
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see
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but i'll live
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do we really need onion routing yet?
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it's not actually all that hard
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* tav` pokes oierw and AaronSw into #plex
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tav, do you think status updates like this are of general interest?
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.finger aaronsw
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Hmm.
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ewww!
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;p
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.finger aaronsw
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:p
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* AaronSw smacks tav
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oierw, want to write this up and mail it to the list?
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anyways, we have some other folk coming into #plex
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Who?
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blanu showed up today
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on esp
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yea
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isn't relaying on?
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relaying is
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cool
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bbiab
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The TAG seems like the only W3C WG worth being on right now, IMO.
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ugh, i'm having these awful problems getting this linux machine to run
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* oierw has written up inserting and requesting triples
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for the most part :p
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v. cool
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now i have to leave
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left on the list:
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request for chord access [both on levels or clusters]
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node online/offline cluster pings
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nat relaying
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node-info cluster broadcasts
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subscription
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mirroring
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and there are a few others i think too
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so 4 down ;)
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hey kenm
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looking good, oierw
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hey
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ah yes
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missing cluster join requests
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tier-wide scope messages
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(noone but me understands what i mean by that one)
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requests for third-party node info
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OK, time for more acronym fun.
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DC = David Chaum | Dining Cryptographers | Digital Cash
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Dan Connolly | Dublin Core
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| Darn Confusing ;-)
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* AaronSw notes that Entourage X doesn't support URI-views, only URIs.
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hi sbp
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Hi there
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Perhaps someday I'll be on primetime TV like James Hendler.
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Michel Biezunski on standards: "Remember it's always 20% technical and 80% political."
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that's blatantly false
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it's more like 5:95
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:-)
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heh heh heh
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:-)
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.google warez.sourceforge.net
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no results found.
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:-(
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You need to try savannah, AaronSw
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:)
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Heh.
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Did you see, I sent in an appeal
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No!
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Yes!
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Text?
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<AaronSw> """
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<AaronSw> We're developing a system we call the World Archive Reciprocal Exchange Zone. It takes data contributions from various users across the Internet and combines them into a massive Internet art project. We'll provide ways to search and query the data repository for research purposes, and allow users to retrieve data they're interested in for further modification and use. We feel this system extends the Open Source paradigm beyond just source code,
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<AaronSw> """
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<AaronSw> - http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=489049&group_id=1&atid=200001
23:11:22 [sbp]
Really?
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Yeah.
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Euler in Python?
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Cool.
23:13:03 [TheTick]
lol AaronSw
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that rules
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heh
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drue came up with the name
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reciprocal exchange zone
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ahahaha
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Page to watch: http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/EO/talks
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Heh heh heh, http://www.i3c.org/
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that's weird, I was just going through all the stuff from talks
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we're getting near the top:
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http://www.w3.org/2001/Talks/MJD-1101-WebArchitecture/slide11-0
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Yeah, isn't it crazy how fast that was
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heh, heh
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feels terribly slow to me :-)
23:18:09 [AaronSw]
Hmm.
23:18:28 [AaronSw]
the first time i saw that pic, we were still working on the rdf layer
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now we're working on proof
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hey, you might be; I'm on trust
23:18:48 [AaronSw]
oh, right
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ok.
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:-)
23:18:58 [AaronSw]
i thought it would take us a decade
23:19:19 [sbp]
well, there's a long way to go, still...
23:19:31 [sbp]
oh crap, I was meant to send you a message about rdfms-fragment
23:19:43 [AaronSw]
for what?
23:19:51 [sbp]
For fun
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No, after the discussion on #rdfig
23:20:28 [AaronSw]
Ah.
23:21:00 [sbp]
ugh, every time I check my mail, I have about 30 more mails :-)
23:21:16 [sbp]
heh, 2 seconds after checking the last lot, I have 8 more
23:21:24 [AaronSw]
lol
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another 11...
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another 39
23:30:23 [AaronSw]
weird
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23:45:45 [AaronSw]
I want to know what Sergey used for the cool drawings in: http://www-db.stanford.edu/~melnik/rdf/datatyping/
23:45:54 [Morbus]
* Morbus yawns
23:46:51 [sbp]
ooh, neat
23:47:43 [Morbus]
[[[
23:47:44 [Morbus]
if we love peace, why play at war? after all, the traditional spiritual urges us to 'study war no more', on the apparent assumption that this will lead to peace. it sounds reasonable. yet if we say, 'we love health, so why study disease?' we begin to see a paradox. anti-aids protestors call for more money to study AIDS, yet few anti-war protestors call for more money to study war. perhaps they should
23:47:44 [Morbus]
- lt. colonel matt caffrey
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]]]
23:48:06 [AaronSw]
haven't you quoted that before?
23:48:09 [Morbus]
that paste was inspired by our topic.
23:48:16 [Morbus]
have I? i don't recall.
23:48:18 [sbp]
what's our topic?
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23:49:37 [AaronSw]
Morbus, the thing the colonel doesn't seem to get is that war is created by folks who study it. the act of studying war increases the likelyhood it will happen. the act of studying aids does no such thing.
23:49:54 [AaronSw]
plus he clearly wants more defense money
23:50:03 [Morbus]
and you don't think studying disease doesn't create new diseases and new strains?
23:50:37 [Morbus]
biochem only exists because of people examing natural diseases and then fucking with them.
23:51:23 [AaronSw]
yep
23:51:29 [AaronSw]
and biochem is a form of war, imo
23:51:59 [Morbus]
and biofarming?
23:52:08 [AaronSw]
i dunno what that is
23:52:17 [Morbus]
biochem fruit and veggies.
23:52:37 [AaronSw]
i think that's dangerous, yah. but at least it has a humane purpose
23:52:40 [TheTick]
GM is icky
23:52:46 [TheTick]
GM foods, that is
23:52:53 [AaronSw]
i'm not sure how spending money on missile defense has a humane purpose.
23:52:59 [Morbus]
humane purpose?
23:53:08 [Morbus]
ever read those novels about how people yearn for real fruit?
23:53:14 [AaronSw]
no...
23:53:24 [TheTick]
* TheTick doesn't ready fruity novels
23:53:25 [TheTick]
*g*
23:53:28 [AaronSw]
heh
23:53:34 [Morbus]
GM food exists only to distance ourselves from the reality of true fruit. that's not humane. that's lazy.
23:53:49 [Morbus]
i don't buy the whole feeding the poor crap.
23:53:52 [AaronSw]
heh
23:54:09 [AaronSw]
ok, so there's a reasonable argument for getting rid of GM.
23:54:22 [Morbus]
which somehow relates to war <g>.
23:54:29 [AaronSw]
what's the reasonable argument for funding war programs?
23:54:39 [AaronSw]
how do they propose to stop wars with the money?
23:54:39 [Morbus]
to get them over quicker.
23:54:48 [AaronSw]
Bzzt. Wrong answer.
23:55:06 [Morbus]
a chess player who studies the great masters of stragegy and grand masters will demolish opponents of lesser value and lesser knowledge much quicker.
23:55:09 [AaronSw]
to continue with the AIDS analogy, that'd be like, lets make aids stronger so it kills everyone and we're done.
23:55:15 [Morbus]
the opponents moves become scripted and obtuse.
23:55:16 [TheTick]
Morbus: The reason ADM & cronies want GM foods to be accepted everywhere is because they want food production to be cheaper regardless of the consequences
23:55:17 [sbp]
lol
23:55:29 [TheTick]
they want to make more moneys
23:55:31 [AaronSw]
I don't think that's what the AIDS folks had in mind.
23:55:43 [Morbus]
well, the aids folk are missing a good thing ;)
23:55:45 [AaronSw]
Morbus, but chess doesn
23:55:48 [AaronSw]
Morbus, but chess doesn't usually kill people
23:56:03 [Morbus]
oh please, metaphorical analogy.
23:56:03 [TheTick]
AaronSw: Didn't you see 'Harry Potter And the Sorceror's Stone' ?
23:56:04 [TheTick]
hehe
23:56:08 [AaronSw]
lol
23:56:11 [TheTick]
CHESS DOESN'T KILL PEOPLE
23:56:13 [TheTick]
I KILL PEOPLE
23:56:24 [Morbus]
its so easy to throw "your metaphor doesn't work cos the sky is blue, not green" oneliners.
23:56:25 [TheTick]
dude, that would be a great bumper sticker
23:56:35 [AaronSw]
Morbus, i have a point, tho
23:56:55 [sbp]
"Make love, not chess"
23:56:58 [AaronSw]
if the answer is to bomb all the other countries so there's no one to kill us left, then what's the point?
23:57:21 [sbp]
s/chess/chess boards/
23:57:24 [TheTick]
AaronSw: Haven't you played 'CivII' ? Nukes are the bomb baby!
23:57:27 [TheTick]
hehe
23:57:39 [Morbus]
you're reading into the quote. creating underlying mental images where none can exist.
23:58:15 [AaronSw]
I'd be fine with studying causes of war and looking to see how we can prevent them
23:58:21 [AaronSw]
but i ddon't think that's what he had in mind
23:59:32 [Morbus]
why not? he's a professor. you're condeming him for wanting to study war. that's like condemning an abortion clinic for wanting to study more humane ways of killing a fetus.
23:59:43 [AaronSw]
I didn't condemn him!
23:59:46 [TheTick]
LOL @ military guy being a "professor"
23:59:47 [AaronSw]
For goodness sake, Morbus.
23:59:50 [TheTick]
I love that.
23:59:52 [sbp]
the problem is, the causes or war are so complex. Anything can cause war, and although usually you can predict it, you can't stop it
23:59:58 [TheTick]
Professor of Military Science
23:59:58 [Morbus]
"i don't think that's what he had in mind".