IRC log of swhack on 2001-12-03

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00:06:58 [sbp]
Hooray! I've beaten the bug!
00:07:13 [AaronSw]
Oooh!
00:07:29 [sbp]
now I need to clear up this mess of code
00:16:51 [AaronSw]
sbp, http://plexdev.org/todo
00:19:02 [sbp]
uh huh?
00:19:29 [AaronSw]
just keeping you posted
00:19:35 [AaronSw]
send comments, additions as usual
00:19:54 [sbp]
cool, many thanks, will do
00:23:57 [sbp]
now, it has a limitation that it will only ever generate one key pair at a time. If you ask for 50 key pairs, it'll just generate one
00:24:10 [sbp]
is that alright, d'ya think?
00:24:16 [sbp]
well, it'll have to be alright :-)
00:24:46 [AaronSw]
Heh heh heh.
00:29:28 [AaronSw]
BTW, we're using SHA256 for the Plex, if not something stronger.
00:29:48 [AaronSw]
Also, because of oierw's crazy idea, the Plex will be able to break whatever hash it uses. :)
00:29:48 [sbp]
uh huh
00:30:01 [sbp]
what idea is that?
00:30:17 [AaronSw]
Instead of having nodes store the actual triples, they store the hash of those triples
00:30:27 [AaronSw]
then you decode the hashes you don't know by doing a second query.
00:30:45 [AaronSw]
So don't use SHA256 for anything important, 'kay? ;)
00:31:01 [sbp]
Hmm...
00:33:47 [sbp]
great! There are no built ins that can find the type of something. I guess I'll need to have a built in for rdf:type... that can't be a good thing
00:34:07 [AaronSw]
Why would you want a built in for that?
00:34:32 [sbp]
for example, you might want to find out if a key has a private part
00:34:39 [sbp]
er, key pair, that is
00:34:47 [AaronSw]
You mean your code?
00:35:07 [sbp]
so you'll do { :x a :KeyPairWithAPrivatePart } log:implies { :x :blargh: Blargh } .
00:35:16 [AaronSw]
ok...
00:39:16 [AaronSw]
sbp, after you finish this, can you do code to sign triples?
00:42:02 [sbp]
in CWM>
00:42:05 [sbp]
s/>/?/
00:42:21 [AaronSw]
Well, I'm thinking more for the Plex...
00:43:16 [AaronSw]
Tim is funny -- 1e6 thanks. :)
00:43:31 [sbp]
yeah, shorter than writing a million :-)
00:44:01 [AaronSw]
I liked his exponentially decaying smiley.
00:44:36 [sbp]
exponentially decaying smiley?
00:44:59 [AaronSw]
logster, grep ) ;-)
00:46:15 [AaronSw]
I'm logging. Sorry, nothing found for ') ;-)'
00:46:15 [AaronSw]
It grew less smiley-like exponentially ask the task went uncompleted.
00:46:15 [AaronSw]
Ooh, only 12 hrs until the Ginger reveal!
01:09:17 [sbp]
I should write an sh version of my CWM batch utility
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01:12:50 [AaronSw]
@ http://www.paulgraham.com/arcll1.html
01:12:55 [chumpster]
A: Arc at 3 Weeks from AaronSw
01:14:48 [AaronSw]
A::via [Wes|http://wmf.editthispage.com/discuss/msgReader$6419], [DMc|http://www.treedragon.com/ged/map/ti/newNov01.htm#30nov01-popularity]
01:14:49 [chumpster]
commented item A
01:19:57 [AaronSw]
I was watching the BBC news today, and they interviewed some folks on Penny Lane. Didn't know it actually existed.
01:22:37 [sbp]
Heh, I saw that interview too
01:22:48 [sbp]
of course it exists; and Strawberry Fields
01:23:11 [AaronSw]
There was an original Strawberry Fields?
01:23:21 [sbp]
it's a place: a rest home, or something
01:24:06 [AaronSw]
Cool.
01:24:14 [AaronSw]
They also showed the Sgt. Pepper's bar.
01:26:12 [sbp]
yeah. It was almost definitely the one I watched
01:26:42 [AaronSw]
Cool.
01:27:26 [AaronSw]
So they must just ship the show over here verbatim, y'think?
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01:35:39 [sbp]
Wow, sh is *really* crappy
01:36:40 [AaronSw]
Heh.
01:36:52 [AaronSw]
Did you see my comment in #rdfig?
01:36:57 [AaronSw]
<AaronSw> I was thinking CWM should be re-backronymed to mean CWM works magic (or maybe miracles).
01:37:05 [AaronSw]
CWM Works Magic
01:37:11 [sbp]
yeah, I saw that... dear oh dear
01:37:22 [sbp]
Quite clever, actually
01:37:37 [AaronSw]
Heh.
01:43:19 [AaronSw]
@ http://wmf.editthispage.com/discuss/msgReader$6419
01:43:24 [chumpster]
B: Hack the Planet Prime: still looking for a beautiful operating system from AaronSw
01:44:09 [AaronSw]
B:|Wesley Felter Explains why IRC Sucks for Software Projects
01:44:10 [chumpster]
titled item B
01:44:19 [AaronSw]
B::He's right on, I agree with all of these.
01:44:19 [chumpster]
commented item B
01:44:35 [AaronSw]
B::Not only that, I was just about to ask him about this and he wrote about it on his weblog!
01:44:36 [chumpster]
commented item B
01:46:35 [AaronSw]
The Plex is running into these problems as we speak. :-(
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02:58:34 [AaronSw]
I wish I could be a cwm hacker extrordinaire like sbp.
02:58:53 [AaronSw]
:-)
03:02:58 [sbp]
heh:-
03:02:58 [sbp]
[[[
03:02:58 [sbp]
Bill Tutt
03:02:58 [sbp]
billtut@microsoft.com
03:02:58 [sbp]
Just a programmer, and not part of MS's PR machine.
03:03:06 [sbp]
]]] - http://www.cygwin.com/ml/cygwin/1997-04/msg00229.html
03:03:15 [AaronSw]
Heh.
03:03:42 [AaronSw]
cygwin seems like a weird community like that.
03:13:25 [AaronSw]
@ http://www.time.com/time/business/article/0,8599,186660,00.html
03:13:28 [chumpster]
C: TIME.com: Reinventing the Wheel from AaronSw
03:13:36 [AaronSw]
C:|Is this Ginger?
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titled item C
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03:14:19 [AaronSw]
C::It looks like Time.com might know what Ginger is... but some don't think so.
03:14:20 [chumpster]
commented item C
03:15:35 [AaronSw]
C::It's just a scooter... I can see why some are in denial.
03:15:36 [chumpster]
commented item C
03:15:54 [sbp]
yeah...
03:17:14 [sbp]
Segway?
03:17:43 [sbp]
Hmm... but it is pretty cool
03:17:45 [sbp]
C::"""Not only does it have no brakes, it also has no engine, no throttle, no gearshift and no steering wheel. And it can carry the average rider for a full day, nonstop, on only five cents' worth of electricity."""
03:17:46 [chumpster]
commented item C
03:18:04 [AaronSw]
C::New York Times [knows what it is|http://www.nytimes.com/2001/12/03/technology/03THIN.html] too, it seems.
03:18:05 [chumpster]
commented item C
03:18:13 [AaronSw]
C::Still, something smells fishy to me.
03:18:14 [chumpster]
commented item C
03:18:34 [sbp]
C::"""Kamen's dream of a Segway-saturated world won't come true overnight. In fact, ordinary folks won't be able to buy the machines for at least a year, when a consumer model is expected to go on sale for about $3,000."""
03:18:36 [chumpster]
commented item C
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03:23:11 [sbp]
might be easier to stick with a bike :-)
03:23:20 [AaronSw]
Heheheh.
03:23:23 [AaronSw]
Folks are really diappointed.
03:23:31 [AaronSw]
err disappointed.
03:23:53 [sbp]
Well, what did I tell ya? :-)
03:23:58 [AaronSw]
Heh.
03:24:14 [AaronSw]
"<Gday_mate@dal> I HOPE KAMEN FALLS OFF THE BUILDING DEMONSTRATION, FALLS OFF THE EDGE."
03:27:39 [AaronSw]
"<Gday_mate@dal> I JUST SHOWED THE PIC TO MY SISTER WHOM I HAVE BEEN HYPING IT UP TO, SHE SAID AND I QUOTE 'ITS FOR DISABLED PEOPLE RIGHT?' DEAR GOD WHAT HAS KAMEN DONE."
03:42:27 [AaronSw]
C::Time also has a [fancy Flash explanation|http://www.time.com/time/2001/segway/].
03:42:28 [chumpster]
commented item C
03:51:24 [sbp]
Aaron, how do I get logger to email me a search result, again?
03:51:40 [AaronSw]
|mail me@foo.bar
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03:56:03 [sbp]
thanks
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[[[
04:07:57 [sbp]
I hope to reach cwm-enlightenment eventually, but I'm not holding my breath. - DanC, #rdfig 2001-05-07 00:18
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]]] - http://infomesh.net/2001/cwm/
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05:10:17 [sagan.openprojects.net]
topic is: What is IT?
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Users on #swhack: logster oierw` sbp dngxor tansaku xena deus_x tav tav` deltab TheTick AaronSw
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14:02:21 [AaronSw]
They just finished the first part of Good Morning America.
14:02:30 [AaronSw]
They're going to bring them to the studio audience a little later.
14:02:45 [sbp]
ooh
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What's the status of IT?
14:03:13 [AaronSw]
In what way?
14:03:17 [AaronSw]
Ooh, McCusker replied!
14:03:42 [AaronSw]
http://www.treedragon.com/ged/map/ti/newDec01.htm#02dec01-scaling
14:05:15 [sbp]
I love one IRC style of writing
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s/one/the/
14:07:57 [AaronSw]
Yeah, his writing style is fun.
14:08:03 [AaronSw]
I wonder how to reply.
14:08:13 [sbp]
With lots of full stops.
14:08:21 [sbp]
But a good flowing writing style.
14:08:21 [AaronSw]
Of course.
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:-).
14:08:31 [AaronSw]
Wesley: "[Ginger] would have been great for getting around campus."
14:08:43 [sbp]
Yeah :-)
14:08:57 [sbp]
A bit expensive, though
14:11:11 [AaronSw]
Yeah, but I'm sure it'll come down in price.
14:11:58 [AaronSw]
It's sort of hard to imagine verbing it: why don't we just segway down the street, eh?
14:12:25 [AaronSw]
sbp, can you see http://www.segway.com/consumer/segway/ ?
14:13:16 [sbp]
no, it doesn't appear that I can. Can you?
14:13:26 [AaronSw]
No...
14:13:31 [sbp]
Hmm...
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* sbp tries http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.segway.com/consumer/segway/
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* AaronSw tries it in deltab mode.
14:14:14 [sbp]
deltab mode?
14:15:41 [AaronSw]
Conecting to it thru a server.
14:17:30 [sbp]
I can get to http://www.segway.com/
14:18:00 [AaronSw]
Hmm, I can't.
14:18:16 [AaronSw]
@ http://www.segway.com/
14:18:24 [chumpster]
D: http://www.segway.com/ from AaronSw
14:18:29 [sbp]
http://www.segway.com.edgesuite.net/consumer/vision/ is interesting too
14:18:32 [AaronSw]
D:|Introducing Segway
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titled item D
14:18:50 [AaronSw]
D::aka "IT", "Ginger"
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commented item D
14:20:16 [AaronSw]
D::sbp seems to have found [a mirror|http://www.segway.com.edgesuite.net/].
14:20:17 [chumpster]
commented item D
14:21:06 [sbp]
Cool picture!
14:21:20 [sbp]
D::"""Segway Human Transporter (HT) functions like an extension of you; like a dance partner able to anticipate your every move. It uses powerful motors and high-speed computer processors to mimic human equilibrium. It leverages aerospace engineering and robust software to track your position. And it does it all without you noticing it. The technology is so advanced, it doesn’t feel like technology at all. It just feels right.""" - http://www.segway.c
14:21:22 [chumpster]
commented item D
14:21:58 [sbp]
D::+[http://www.segway.com.edgesuite.net/images/2_top.jpg|Segway]
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commented item D
14:22:08 [AaronSw]
They even have an interactive model.
14:22:40 [sbp]
interactive: http://www.segway.com.edgesuite.net/consumer/segway/flash.html
14:22:55 [AaronSw]
No, they have a little ZIP you can download and move around.
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oops
14:23:12 [sbp]
Gotta run
14:23:13 [AaronSw]
I like the photo on http://www.segway.com.edgesuite.net/consumer/shop/
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14:23:18 [AaronSw]
Or is it CG...
14:23:27 [AaronSw]
bye
14:24:41 [AaronSw]
Aww:
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"""
14:24:42 [AaronSw]
That's what happens physically. Emotionally, it's like the childhood dreams you had where you could fly. You feel freedom, exhilaration, and confidence. You have the sensation of the ground moving beneath you, but you're not touching it. And you're seized by the desire to go somewhere. Only then do you become aware of your own smile.
14:24:43 [AaronSw]
""
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"
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14:33:56 [AaronSw]
Boy, the folks on Good Morning america are in love with it.
14:34:09 [AaronSw]
They're giving it to audience members to play with.
14:34:42 [AaronSw]
They've got a ton of really interesting photos...
14:34:49 [AaronSw]
on the website, I mean.
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14:36:54 [AaronSw]
Dean says a Segway (in the dictionary) is a smooth transition from one place or idea to another. He says the machine is both (it's also a transition from the car to this).
14:37:48 [dngxor]
i thought it was segue
14:40:02 [AaronSw]
Yeah, in the dictionary it is...
14:40:08 [AaronSw]
D::A product of [DEKA Research|http://www.dekaresearch.com/].
14:40:10 [chumpster]
commented item D
14:40:19 [dngxor]
what's a segway? oh, about 20 pounds...
14:40:27 [AaronSw]
60
14:40:31 [sbp]
heh, heh
14:40:43 [dngxor]
serious? it looks lighter than that, but the pictures are so far away.
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14:41:40 [dngxor]
that's a shame. the world needs something convenient to move people between bus routes. lifting a 60lb thing onto a bus will suck.
14:41:57 [AaronSw]
Yeah... I think the consumer version will be lighter.
14:42:04 [AaronSw]
(a little)
14:42:31 [sbp]
now, if it *had* been able to hover... :-)
14:42:37 [AaronSw]
Heh heh heh.
14:43:40 [AaronSw]
Dean was totally freaked out about folks falling off.
14:43:58 [sbp]
how so?
14:44:18 [AaronSw]
Well, it'd be a really bad PR thing if they did, right?
14:44:26 [AaronSw]
So he had Segway guys follow them around everywhere.
14:44:39 [AaronSw]
And they kept doing stupid stuff like riding with no hands and only one foot.
14:45:02 [sbp]
cool
14:45:34 [dngxor]
they remind me of the old Dick Tracy flying trash cans
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14:50:10 [AaronSw]
D:Quick! [Buy yours now|http://store.segway.com/html/Acr_ibeCAcdAllUserReg.jsp?usrType=endUser].
14:52:09 [dngxor]
http://aero-marine.design-development.com/vtol.html ... i imagine these people could shrink their form factor with balancing software
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15:38:01 [Morbus]
so is AaronSw without service, or what?
15:39:19 [sbp]
no idea :-)
15:39:30 [sbp]
no, he seems to be here, somehow
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i have a cold. and so does my kitty.
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she just came back from the vet. got her sutures removed.
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i'm really not in the mood to finish my ORA article.
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15:51:21 [Morbus]
i love downloading new nightly builds of mozilla.
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i wish i could crank out nightly builds.
15:52:10 [dngxor]
i just give people detailed instructions to get the cvs tree. all the nightly updates they want, free.
15:52:47 [Morbus]
true, but the people i kinda focus my efforts on are the people who barely know how to unzip a file.
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ultimately, they wouldn't see any merit in nightly builds.
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i just wish i was that prolific.
15:57:09 [Morbus]
.google concord spca
15:57:10 [xena]
concord spca: http://www.mv.com/ipusers/concordspca
15:57:36 [Morbus]
thank you, xena
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{ ?p earl:asserts ?q . ?r earl:asserts ?s . ?q rdf:subject ?x; rdf:predicate earl:passes; rdf:object ?y . ?s rdf:subject ?x; rdf:predicate earl:fails; rdf:object ?y } log:implies { ?p :doesNotAgreeWith [ :assertor ?r; :about ?x; :withRespectTo ?y ] } .
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http://purl.org/swag/n3tordf?text=@prefix+%3A+%3C%23%3E+.%0D%0A@prefix+rdf%3A++%3Chttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2F1999%2F02%2F22-rdf-syntax-ns%23%3E+.%0D%0A@prefix+earl%3A+%3Chttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2F2001%2F03%2Fearl%2F0.95%23%3E+.%0D%0A@prefix+log%3A+%3Chttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2F2000%2F10%2Fswap%2Flog%23%3E+.%0D%0A%0D%0Athis+log%3AforAll+%3Ap+%2C+%3Aq+%2C+%3Ar+%2C+%3As+%2C+%3Ax+%2C+%3Ay+.%0D%0A%0D%0A%7B+%3Ap+earl%3Aasserts+%3Aq+.+%3Ar+earl%3Aasserts+%3As+.
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18:24:59 [sbp]
Hi Gabe
18:26:06 [sagan.openprojects.net]
sagan.openprojects.net has changed the topic to: What is IT? IT is way outta my price range.
18:27:20 [sbp]
heh, heh
18:29:34 [GabeW]
hey, my cable modem has been down all weekend
18:29:54 [GabeW]
* GabeW listens to the echoes of the "THUD" heard from the ginger "unveiling"
18:31:13 [sbp]
heh, heh, yeah
18:53:47 [Morbus]
.xena, 10+3
18:53:51 [Morbus]
xena, 10+3
18:53:57 [Morbus]
damn.
18:54:28 [sbp]
.py print `10+3`
18:54:33 [sbp]
damnit
18:54:39 [Morbus]
!itunes
18:54:41 [Morbus]
nooO!
18:54:42 [sbp]
tav: register me!
18:54:44 [Morbus]
the bots have forsaken us!
18:54:45 [sbp]
heh!
18:54:52 [sbp]
damn bots... they're revolting
18:54:56 [Morbus]
:D
18:56:40 [tav`]
.access sbp 64
18:56:49 [tav`]
.access sbp 64
18:56:56 [tav`]
are you registered?
18:56:57 [sbp]
.py print str(10+3)
18:57:00 [sbp]
nope
18:57:17 [tav`]
/msg xena register Your_pass_here *@*.*
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-xena- success
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.py print str(10+3)
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.py print str(10+3)
18:58:11 [sbp]
-xena- unauthorized: access denied
18:58:13 [sbp]
heh, heh
18:58:23 [sbp]
anyway, time for The Simpsons
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Gotta run
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.access sbp 64
18:58:55 [tav`]
you have access
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19:00:39 [GabeW]
.py print "hello"
19:00:51 [GabeW]
* GabeW is happy to get his internet connection back
19:00:59 [tav`]
have you regged GabeW?
19:08:34 [GabeW]
yeh
19:08:40 [GabeW]
oh
19:09:03 [GabeW]
invalid userhost???
19:10:21 [GabeW]
whats that?
19:17:07 [tav`]
.+mask GabeW *@*.*
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.access GabeW 64
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damnit
19:17:31 [tav`]
* tav` goes slaps greaper
19:18:09 [GabeW]
.py print "hello"
19:18:38 [GabeW]
grr. att is now limiting downloads to 1.5 mb - which was one of the main advantages of cable modems (faster than dsl)
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.access GabeW 64
19:23:28 [tav`]
.access GabeW 64
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.access GabeW 64
19:23:36 [tav`]
ok, login now
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and play away ;p
19:30:48 [GabeW]
grr. att is now limiting downloads to 1.5 mb - which was one of the main advantages of cable modems (faster than dsl)
19:30:50 [GabeW]
.py print "hello"
19:31:00 [GabeW]
.py print "hello"
19:31:00 [xena]
hello
19:31:04 [GabeW]
kewl
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19:45:31 [Morbus]
AaronSw!
19:45:41 [AaronSw]
Morbus!
19:45:50 [Morbus]
You've Survived!
19:45:52 [Morbus]
:)
19:46:31 [sagan.openprojects.net]
sagan.openprojects.net has changed the topic to: Segway: Saving our cities one step at a time.
19:46:34 [AaronSw]
Indeed.
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19:47:51 [AaronSw]
lol: """we saw Doug Field, the lead engineer for Ginger/IT, riding around on one, and we were like "Waaaaazaaap Doug Field" and he kinda smiled at us."""
19:47:59 [deltab]
don't you mean three-to-four steps?
19:48:55 [AaronSw]
lol
19:49:06 [sagan.openprojects.net]
sagan.openprojects.net has changed the topic to: Segway: Saving our cities three-to-four steps at a time.
19:49:28 [Morbus]
Don't you mean "new cities"?
19:49:51 [AaronSw]
No.
19:55:47 [AaronSw]
Yeah, I'm without service.
19:56:46 [Morbus]
who are you using now?
19:56:55 [AaronSw]
Mindspring, for the moment. :-(
19:57:15 [AaronSw]
Not that Mindspring is bad, just that 56k isn't Cable...
19:57:44 [AaronSw]
They said they'd give us free dialup if it's an "extended outage".
19:57:57 [AaronSw]
GabeW!
19:58:08 [Morbus]
look at you bitching about 56k. you're such a wuss.
19:58:09 [AaronSw]
.dns 12.236.92.153
19:58:10 [xena]
12.236.92.153 - error: host not found
19:58:19 [Morbus]
i use a t1 more than i use 56k, and 56k is fine.
19:58:32 [AaronSw]
Well most T1s suck too. ;-)
19:58:34 [Morbus]
t1 at work. 56k at home.
19:58:51 [AaronSw]
I mean, you have to surf with graphics off!
19:59:00 [Morbus]
no, you don't. you're stupid.
19:59:08 [Morbus]
if you have to surf with graphics off, your modem sucks shit.
19:59:22 [Morbus]
you probably using the default one in the g4, and that's a rockwell. rockwell's are bottom of the barrell.
20:00:02 [AaronSw]
It gets a faster connection than most modems I've used.
20:00:19 [AaronSw]
I mean, I'm not going to go and blow money so that my speeds can go up by miniscule amounts.
20:00:24 [Morbus]
what's reported in your control panel or whatever has nothing to dow ith the speed. its throughput.
20:00:53 [Morbus]
well, if you have to turn graphics off, you're not getting a good speed. no way no how.
20:00:57 [AaronSw]
I mean, buying a new modem is like spending money to be let out of an Afghanistani cave.
20:01:05 [AaronSw]
Hmm, that analogy didn't work.
20:01:05 [Morbus]
i've downloaded an easy 10 gigs off a 56k modem.
20:01:32 [AaronSw]
Sure, over a three year period.
20:01:51 [AaronSw]
I want Ginger + http://aero-marine.design-development.com/vtol.html
20:01:56 [Morbus]
but never once have i complained about speeds.
20:02:00 [Morbus]
you're just being a wuss.
20:02:04 [Morbus]
seriously, you shoudln't have to turn off images.
20:02:12 [AaronSw]
Yeah, I don't...
20:02:12 [Morbus]
or worry about flash. or not download movie trailers from apple.
20:02:19 [AaronSw]
That I do.
20:02:57 [AaronSw]
I mean, it used to be that downloading stuff off the Web was faster than hitting the disk!
20:03:45 [Morbus]
yer just being a wuss.
20:05:02 [AaronSw]
What's a wuss, then?
20:07:30 [Morbus]
waaah, i'm not going fast! boo hoo!
20:07:43 [Morbus]
:)
20:08:36 [AaronSw]
Would you complain if your car broke down and you had to walk to work (assume your workplace is far away)?
20:09:55 [Morbus]
i don't have a car. and my work is two blocks away.
20:10:03 [Morbus]
but that's a different thing. i need to get to work on time.
20:10:13 [Morbus]
i don't need to get 100 email in 2 seconds.
20:10:29 [Morbus]
i don't need to download new software that i'm pirating in 3 minutes.
20:10:39 [Morbus]
i don't need to surf websites at 6 thousand pages a second.
20:10:47 [AaronSw]
I'm not worried about software or email.
20:10:59 [AaronSw]
But my work is on the Web, and I need to get there in time.
20:11:05 [AaronSw]
Just like you.
20:11:07 [Morbus]
pfft. you don't think my work is on the web?
20:11:13 [Morbus]
all my disobey stuff i do at home?
20:11:20 [Morbus]
what are you doing thats so different than me?
20:11:45 [AaronSw]
I don't know, since I've never seen you work.
20:12:00 [AaronSw]
All I can say is that it's taking a significant adjustment in my work habits.
20:12:05 [AaronSw]
Which really slows me down.
20:12:13 [Morbus]
ok. ok. i can accept that.
20:12:40 [Morbus]
i guess its a totally different argument in my ballpark. i work on a t1 all day doing isp work. i go home and work on my disobey stuff, also predominantly on the net. i don't see much of a difference.
20:12:42 [AaronSw]
ok
20:13:06 [AaronSw]
I'm sure if I was used to a 56k, it wouldn't be so bad.
20:13:15 [AaronSw]
But I keep working expecting that things will happen immediately.
20:13:26 [Morbus]
maybe you need to multitask more ;)
20:13:37 [AaronSw]
I do! That's where the problem comes up...
20:13:44 [AaronSw]
I expect my connection to be always on...
20:13:50 [Morbus]
like tonight, i'll get home, listen to powerpuff fm, read email, and sit in the chat.
20:13:51 [AaronSw]
and then it disconnects annoyingly.
20:13:54 [Morbus]
and i don't have a problem.
20:14:01 [Morbus]
you have disconnects? i never have disconnects.
20:14:08 [AaronSw]
Yeah.
20:14:09 [Morbus]
right. mindspring. nevermind.
20:14:14 [AaronSw]
People also tend to call us on the phone sometimes.
20:14:18 [AaronSw]
:-)
20:14:25 [Morbus]
you have a phone?
20:14:28 [Morbus]
i just have a socket ;)
20:14:32 [Morbus]
kdding.
20:14:37 [AaronSw]
Heh heh.
20:14:49 [AaronSw]
I actually don't have a ringer on my phone, but there are other folks in the house. ;-)
20:17:14 [AaronSw]
One really cool thing about Segway is it uses an iButton as a key.
20:19:07 [Morbus]
ibutton?
20:19:44 [AaronSw]
Yeah, it's this cryptographically secure button.
20:20:04 [Morbus]
ah
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* sbp reviews http://www.w3.org/TR/2001/WD-xml-events-20011026/
20:28:36 [sbp]
"<secret ref="/login/password">" - I'm not sure what that example refers to, but it should probably use XLink if it constitutes any form of Hyperlink
20:29:18 [sbp]
that goes for any redirection type events, although I'm not sure how they are handled by XLink. XLink has some attrbiutes for rendering, but I don't know how they would interact with XEvents
20:29:35 [sbp]
[[[
20:29:35 [sbp]
<onevent ev:event="enterforward">
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<go href="/url"/>
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</onevent>
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]]]
20:30:08 [sbp]
may have the ability to automatically transfer people places they don't want to go; needs to be overridable (UA thing?)
20:31:19 [sbp]
Jim commented that some of the examples are too HTML-ish... I explained that this is meant for XHTML 2.0, but it's still an obvious concern
20:31:33 [AaronSw]
Who's Jim?
20:31:38 [sbp]
Jim Ley
20:32:04 [AaronSw]
On another subject, I believe in mob proofreaders. I get lots of typo fixes by email. :)
20:33:03 [sbp]
Um... pardon?
20:33:05 [AaronSw]
Heh heh heh, the example article this guy who emailed me used is "Common smut more common than usual". (http://www.ipm.iastate.edu/ipm/icm/2001/11-19-2001/commonsmut.html)
20:33:14 [sbp]
Web architecture alert: "To identify event types from other namespaces, qualified names, as defined in [SCHEMA], should be used."
20:33:28 [AaronSw]
As in, all typos are shallow when lots of people read your stuff ane email you about them.
20:33:55 [sbp]
ane? :-)
20:34:14 [AaronSw]
See!
20:34:21 [AaronSw]
You have proved my point.
20:34:22 [Morbus]
heh.
20:36:03 [sbp]
All W3C specifications should be made to declare the structure of their QNames, and how they relate (if at all) to previous specifications
20:36:26 [AaronSw]
They should just use URIs. :)
20:36:33 [AaronSw]
And not those phony URI-views either!
20:38:00 [sbp]
Relevant WCAG guideline for XEvents in general: Guideline 8. Ensure direct accessibility of embedded user interfaces.
20:38:33 [sbp]
yeah, they could use URI-views, but QNames are more conventient, and have the benefit that they are free from the stupid URI vs. fragURI debates
20:38:52 [sbp]
noting that a URI-view is either a URI or a fragURI
20:39:33 [AaronSw]
What do you mean, they engender worse stupid debates!
20:40:03 [sbp]
only if you care about them
20:42:59 [sbp]
Hmm... I guess that a listener is a handler... not sure; we may need to augment our nice little vocabulary
20:43:40 [sbp]
ugh: "and the user happens to click on the word "draft", the <em> element, and not the <a>, will be the target, and so the handler will not be activated; to catch all mouseclicks on the <a> element and its children"
20:43:54 [sbp]
"click here" alert!
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20:48:59 [sbp]
Hmm... 2 minutes: Cryptography and Math in CWM; EARL 1.0 specification, canonical, advances; review of XForms
20:49:18 [sbp]
URIs; what is identified; Web architecture in general
20:53:25 [AaronSw]
@ http://opilio.ipm.iastate.edu/faq
20:53:29 [chumpster]
E: FAQ from AaronSw
20:53:40 [sbp]
Gotta run
20:53:54 [AaronSw]
c'ya
20:54:14 [AaronSw]
E:|OPILIO: The Open Source Cooperative Categorical Search Engine FAQ
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titled item E
20:54:25 [AaronSw]
E::How can RDF help this?
20:54:26 [chumpster]
commented item E
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21:39:41 [AaronSw]
Hmm, it seems McCusker's reasonableness is somewhat recent: http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&threadm=Pine.GHP.4.02A.9909240900590.23806-100000%40mail.ilrt.bris.ac.uk&rnum=1&prev=/groups%3Fq%3Dirondoc%2Brdf%26hl%3Den%26rnum%3D1%26selm%3DPine.GHP.4.02A.9909240900590.23806-100000%2540mail.ilrt.bris.ac.uk
21:40:19 [AaronSw]
Whoopee! David McCusker: "I think destroying information is a sin."
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Hello
22:21:26 [BenSw]
Hello
22:21:54 [AaronSw]
I don't know why you say goodbye...
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I say Hello.
22:22:07 [AaronSw]
Shoot, I just missed him
22:22:33 [AaronSw]
Say my nick to get my attention.
22:23:11 [AaronSw]
Everyone has write access to my brain.
22:23:13 [AaronSw]
I just throw somethings away faster than others.
22:23:20 [AaronSw]
The Plex should work similarly.
22:26:24 [GabeW]
AaronSw - does your brain have infinite storage capacity or inifinite processing bandwidth?
22:26:37 [AaronSw]
No.
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22:27:39 [AaronSw]
GabeW, why would you think that?
22:27:57 [Morbus]
hey, this is odd.
22:28:02 [Morbus]
someone uses the amphetadesk channel lists within their C program.
22:28:05 [GabeW]
seems like if you want everyone to have write access, you've got to either have infinite storage or large capacity to preocess
22:28:08 [AaronSw]
Hi there, BTW. Did you get swithced to ATTbi already?
22:28:09 [GabeW]
process info to throw it out
22:28:17 [GabeW]
yeah, I'm switched - that's why I'm online
22:28:24 [AaronSw]
I'm not. :-(
22:28:28 [AaronSw]
Where are you located?
22:28:32 [GabeW]
bay area
22:28:41 [AaronSw]
Hmm, guess my predictions were wrong.
22:28:51 [AaronSw]
That sounds like bad news for me.
22:28:59 [AaronSw]
I'm in Chicago, and suffering 56k.
22:29:08 [GabeW]
most of the bay area is supposed to be switched over - there was some report about unlucky sods in the midwest not being switched over for a week!!!
22:29:27 [AaronSw]
That sounds like really bad news for me.
22:29:31 [GabeW]
I think this is suicidal for AT&T (and Excite too, of course)
22:29:40 [AaronSw]
Processing info to throw out is rather easy, I think most humans do it.
22:30:17 [Morbus]
yeah, we've already gotten reports that parts of at&t are down in this area.
22:30:18 [GabeW]
AT&T is now limiting downloads (according to their website) to 1.5mbps and uploads to 128k -- now DSL is better (bandwidth speaking), which is the main selling point of cable
22:30:45 [GabeW]
pacbell dsl (which sucks ROYALLY) is 1.5/384k
22:30:49 [AaronSw]
That really sucks.
22:31:16 [AaronSw]
I'm disappointed with all parties involved.
22:31:21 [GabeW]
yeah, aren't we all
22:31:26 [GabeW]
I want to start my own broadband ISP
22:32:19 [AaronSw]
Let me know when you have service in the Chicgao area. :)
22:32:49 [GabeW]
ok, so I have 2 subscribers now
22:32:51 [GabeW]
you and me
22:33:20 [GabeW]
/join #openbroadband
22:33:22 [GabeW]
hehe
22:34:29 [AaronSw]
Heh heh heh
22:35:21 [AaronSw]
I hope this company doesn't try to gouge me with exorbinant fees so they can build up their network.
22:35:40 [GabeW]
well, $5000 a month isn't out of your budget is it?
22:35:44 [Morbus]
LOL: "Red, white and blue M&Ms coming to a store near you. Clearly, the terrorists have already won."
22:36:02 [AaronSw]
GabeW, you better have a lot of perks.
22:37:08 [GabeW]
oh, yeah, you can get tech support on IRC
22:37:20 [Morbus]
but what if my irc program is broken?
22:37:26 [Morbus]
do you have a cel phone? i'm in japan.
22:37:35 [GabeW]
hmm
22:37:46 [GabeW]
you can sms tech support in that case... ;-)
22:37:57 [deltab]
*cel* phone? like in cartoons? :-)
22:38:17 [GabeW]
man if Ginger were only a long distance wireless network interface...
22:38:27 [Morbus]
heheh, deltab :)
22:38:41 [Morbus]
its even got ACME on the side.
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23:31:59 [Morbus]
i bought a new printer this weekend.
23:34:51 [sbp]
what does it print?
23:35:10 [Morbus]
stuff. i guess. i never print. i just got it cos it looked better than the other one.
23:35:33 [sbp]
heh, heh, heh
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23:37:40 [AaronSw]
Why did O'Reilly email me asking if I will participate in EtCon, if I already sent me a proposal?
23:37:42 [Morbus]
* Morbus is currently listening to 'Verdis Quo' on Daft Punk's album 'Discovery'.
23:37:42 [Morbus]
!itunes
23:38:01 [Morbus]
because massmail is so much better appreciated ;)
23:38:59 [Morbus]
ok. which should i do first? work on my article for an hour, or ansewr email for an hour?
23:39:26 [sbp]
do a bit of both for one and a half hours
23:40:24 [AaronSw]
article!
23:40:26 [AaronSw]
email is evil
23:40:35 [Morbus]
jeez. that was an overwealming response.
23:40:43 [AaronSw]
email is to be answered when you're in a bad and unexpressive mood.
23:40:53 [Morbus]
:)
23:41:38 [sbp]
lol!
23:41:39 [sbp]
[[[
23:41:39 [sbp]
Funding Source
23:41:39 [sbp]
Other: Why do you ask?
23:41:44 [sbp]
]]] - http://www.daml.org/ontologies/173
23:41:56 [AaronSw]
Heh, I saw that earlier.
23:42:16 [AaronSw]
logster, grep http://www.daml.org/ontologies/173
23:42:24 [logster]
I'm logging. I found 2 answers for 'http://www.daml.org/ontologies/173'
23:42:25 [logster]
0) 2001-12-03 23:42:16 <AaronSw> logster, grep http://www.daml.org/ontologies/173
23:42:26 [logster]
1) 2001-12-03 23:41:44 <sbp> ]]] - http://www.daml.org/ontologies/173
23:42:30 [AaronSw]
Hmm.
23:42:42 [AaronSw]
logster, grep /ontologies/173
23:42:48 [logster]
I'm logging. I found 3 answers for '/ontologies/173'
23:42:49 [logster]
0) 2001-12-03 23:42:42 <AaronSw> logster, grep /ontologies/173
23:42:50 [logster]
1) 2001-12-03 23:42:16 <AaronSw> logster, grep http://www.daml.org/ontologies/173
23:42:51 [logster]
2) 2001-12-03 23:41:44 <sbp> ]]] - http://www.daml.org/ontologies/173
23:42:52 [sbp]
* sbp searches for "purl" on http://www.daml.org/ontologies/uri.html Nothing!
23:43:03 [sbp]
logster, grep http://www.daml.org/ontologies/
23:43:08 [logster]
I'm logging. I found 4 answers for 'http://www.daml.org/ontologies/'
23:43:09 [logster]
0) 2001-12-03 23:43:03 <sbp> logster, grep http://www.daml.org/ontologies/
23:43:11 [logster]
1) 2001-12-03 23:42:52 <sbp> * sbp searches for "purl" on http://www.daml.org/ontologies/uri.html Nothing!
23:43:12 [logster]
2) 2001-12-03 23:42:16 <AaronSw> logster, grep http://www.daml.org/ontologies/173
23:43:13 [logster]
3) 2001-12-03 23:41:44 <sbp> ]]] - http://www.daml.org/ontologies/173
23:43:13 [AaronSw]
ghastly
23:43:24 [AaronSw]
Hmm.
23:43:27 [AaronSw]
That can't be right.
23:43:30 [AaronSw]
I know I said that once.
23:44:16 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw submits some PURL ontologies.
23:44:30 [AaronSw]
Ah, they're looking for the URL not the namespace URI.
23:44:48 [sbp]
good point
23:45:23 [sbp]
but the only dcmi/dublincore result is http://www.daml.org/ontologies/7
23:45:59 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw decides to start listing his Organization/Company as "Gaia".
23:46:21 [AaronSw]
That is who I work for these days.
23:46:39 [Morbus]
put disobey.com
23:46:45 [AaronSw]
no thanks
23:46:52 [AaronSw]
I don't even have an email address there.
23:46:55 [Morbus]
gasp! i'm hurt.
23:46:58 [Morbus]
you don't like me, i bet!
23:47:02 [Morbus]
i'll give you one ;)
23:47:12 [AaronSw]
Cool.
23:47:15 [AaronSw]
I collect email addresses.
23:47:24 [Morbus]
i know. its annoying ;)
23:47:29 [AaronSw]
I used to have cengland@mac-addict.com :-)
23:47:55 [AaronSw]
( cengland@macaddict.com was the editor of MacAddict magazine. )
23:49:18 [AaronSw]
[[[
23:49:20 [AaronSw]
Who funded development of this ontology?
23:49:33 [AaronSw]
Other: Blood, sweat and tears
23:49:37 [AaronSw]
]]] - My application form
23:50:01 [AaronSw]
[[[
23:50:08 [AaronSw]
Anything else we should know about?
23:50:08 [AaronSw]
Rael Dornfest is the man!
23:50:09 [AaronSw]
]]]
23:50:15 [AaronSw]
- ibid.
23:51:43 [AaronSw]
Now available at http://www.daml.org/ontologies/234
23:51:50 [sbp]
oh, dear... you did RSS?
23:52:04 [AaronSw]
Oops, and I screwed it up too.
23:52:09 [sbp]
* sbp feels ever-so-slighty queasy
23:52:23 [AaronSw]
Did you?
23:52:30 [Morbus]
AaronSw, do you have a quick bead to rael? i'm interested what he wants to do with xml::rss, and so forth.
23:52:43 [AaronSw]
bead meaning what?
23:52:58 [sbp]
cool, you're from Gaia?
23:53:03 [AaronSw]
Yep.
23:53:24 [Morbus]
can you talk to him faster than I can? ;)
23:53:35 [AaronSw]
Probably.
23:53:45 [sbp]
* sbp considers adding EARL 0.95
23:54:08 [Morbus]
cool. can I abuse you to ask him that?
23:55:16 [sbp]
* sbp *really* wants to put "disorganized" in the "Organization" field
23:55:24 [AaronSw]
Heh heh.
23:55:28 [sbp]
oh man, that's too tempting...
23:55:55 [AaronSw]
"Sean B. Palmer of disorganized"
23:57:38 [sbp]
heh, heh
23:57:53 [AaronSw]
Why were you feeling so queasey?
23:57:57 [sbp]
well, I've submitted, and it's going "er... this is a big schema now, isn't it?"
23:58:08 [sbp]
What can I say? RSS has that effect on me
23:58:16 [AaronSw]
heh heh heh
23:58:16 [AaronSw]
Morbus, i messaged him, but he doesn't respond very quickly -- i'll keep you posted
23:58:24 [AaronSw]
sbp, seriously?
23:58:38 [sbp]
ta da: http://www.daml.org/ontologies/235.html
23:58:46 [sbp]
yeah, sure
23:58:50 [Morbus]
cool, thanks.
23:59:01 [sbp]
I am now officially affiliated with n/a
23:59:08 [AaronSw]
Cool.
23:59:23 [AaronSw]
Aegis is such a nice word.
23:59:36 [sbp]
I wonder if n/a'll give me a raise, now that I'm raising their public profile?
23:59:39 [Morbus]
that was the name of a character in a final fa... oh. no wait. that was aeris/.
23:59:40 [sbp]
yep, sure is
23:59:58 [AaronSw]
"Step inside love..."