IRC log of swhack on 2001-11-26

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00:02:18 [sbp]
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00:08:39 [AaronSw]
LOL, sbp! deltab downloaded your whole website too. Must've been during our wossname scare.
00:09:48 [sbp]
p'on me?
00:10:52 [AaronSw]
Remember when you went around deleting your website?
00:11:30 [sbp]
yes, of course
00:12:12 [AaronSw]
Well, deltab seems to have archived all of it.
00:13:10 [sbp]
neat. How d'you know?
00:13:34 [AaronSw]
I was just poking around the ESP server.
00:14:24 [sbp]
heh, heh. There's barely any point in me running a server, is there? :-)
00:14:51 [sbp]
In fact, if I took it down, I'd probably end up with 5 new copies of it in other locations on the Web. It could actually be beneficial!
00:15:25 [AaronSw]
Heh, perhaps, but there's a lot of dynamic stuff on your server... redirects and such.
00:17:06 [sbp]
yeah, that's true. I'm hoping that when it's all represented in SVG, it'll spell out the word "FUCK"
00:17:19 [AaronSw]
lol
00:36:46 [AaronSw]
@ http://www.dtek.chalmers.se/~d3august/xt/index.html
00:36:50 [chumpster]
A: The Xtraceroute homepage. from AaronSw
00:37:10 [tansaku]
chumpster is a bot huh?
00:37:30 [AaronSw]
A:|Xtraceroute
00:37:34 [chumpster]
titled item A
00:37:34 [AaronSw]
tansaku, yeah, a webloging bot
00:37:53 [AaronSw]
A::Maps traceroute hops onto a globe.
00:37:54 [chumpster]
commented item A
00:38:43 [tansaku]
where's the output to
00:38:44 [tansaku]
?
00:39:08 [AaronSw]
http://blogspace.com/swhack/weblog/
00:39:13 [sbp]
http://blogspace.com/swhack/weblog/
00:39:23 [sbp]
copycat
00:40:09 [sbp]
* sbp gets a copy of Finnegan's Wake from the Web
00:40:44 [AaronSw]
.google bartleby finnegan's wake
00:40:45 [xena]
bartleby finnegan's wake: http://www.duke.edu/~mshumate/print.html
00:41:40 [sbp]
http://www.trentu.ca/jjoyce/
00:42:23 [AaronSw]
BLURB:Finnegan's Wake eText / bookwarez
00:42:25 [chumpster]
B: Finnegan's Wake eText / bookwarez from AaronSw
00:42:32 [AaronSw]
B:[Finnegans Web|http://www.duke.edu/~mshumate/print.html]
00:42:35 [AaronSw]
oops
00:42:42 [sbp]
heh, heh: "bookwares"
00:42:49 [AaronSw]
B::[Finnegans Web|http://www.trentu.ca/jjoyce/]
00:42:50 [chumpster]
commented item B
00:43:21 [sbp]
pff, get it right :-)
00:43:25 [deltab]
and of course there's Jorn Barger's ite
00:43:31 [AaronSw]
B::Jorn Barger's [http://robotwisdom.com/jaj/fwake/short01.html|The online shorter Finnegans Wake (FW I.1 thru I.4, ch1-4)]
00:43:32 [chumpster]
commented item B
00:43:49 [sbp]
yeah
00:46:26 [deltab]
* deltab wonders what he'll think of being chumped here :-)
00:46:52 [sbp]
heh: http://www.finneganswake.org/cartoonJJrefrigeratorgray.jpg
00:47:57 [deltab]
hehe
00:48:40 [sbp]
* sbp notes the lack of a '
00:49:20 [AaronSw]
Why would Jorn mind being chumped here?
00:50:05 [sbp]
cf. http://members.ozemail.com.au/~caveman/Joyce/FW/FAQ/q19.htm
00:51:45 [AaronSw]
Heh: "If you worry that reading the news online will rob you of the serendipity factor you get with the newspaper, Jorn Barger solves the problem." --Dan Gillmor
00:51:51 [AaronSw]
via Jorn's .sig
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00:55:30 [AaronSw]
dinner time
00:55:33 [sbp]
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00:55:53 [sbp]
c'ya
01:09:13 [sbp]
.translate Fra-Eng hegoak
01:09:13 [xena]
Fra is not a valid language symbol.
01:10:06 [sbp]
Pff. Anyway, it's Basque, and related to a song. That'll do
01:12:40 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw tries to convince his parents to visit UK over winter vacation.
01:14:50 [sbp]
Visit in the summer. It still rains, but not as hard
01:14:59 [AaronSw]
Heh.
01:15:37 [AaronSw]
Well, we're trying to decide what to do for Winter Vacation, and our other choices are warm places like Florida, ick.
01:16:09 [sbp]
Go to Alaska
01:16:21 [sbp]
do not collect £200
01:17:13 [sbp]
sbp has changed the topic to: When all's said and done, there's nothing left to say or do.
01:18:46 [sbp]
Is this a rhetorical question, or what?
01:19:17 [AaronSw]
what?
01:19:22 [AaronSw]
:-)
01:27:08 [AaronSw]
.google jorn barger semantic web
01:27:11 [xena]
jorn barger semantic web: http://www.robotwisdom.com/web
01:27:19 [AaronSw]
.google jorn barger xml
01:27:24 [xena]
jorn barger xml: http://www.robotwisdom.com/weblogs
01:27:31 [AaronSw]
hmmph
01:27:52 [sbp]
What are you looking for?
01:27:55 [AaronSw]
here it is: http://www.robotwisdom.com/ai/xml.html
01:30:04 [sbp]
different
01:31:06 [AaronSw]
@ http://www.robotwisdom.com/ai/thicketfaq.html
01:31:18 [chumpster]
C: Overview of 'Fractal Thicket' Indexing from AaronSw
01:31:34 [AaronSw]
C::By Jorn Barger
01:31:35 [chumpster]
commented item C
01:32:56 [AaronSw]
C::"""It's been over forty years since the term "Artificial Intelligence" was coined in 1956. During that time, A.I. has pretty successfully maintained an aura of arcane impenetrability, funneling off billions of dollars in research grants... while delivering almost nothing that can really be called 'intelligent'!""" - [http://www.robotwisdom.com/ai/|Artificial Intelligence, and Robot Wisdom]
01:32:57 [chumpster]
commented item C
01:35:02 [AaronSw]
C::Wow, sixdegrees alert. Jorn worked at NWU's ILS dept. which, in adittion to being rather near to my house, was led by Roger Schank, a school reform advocate and friend of Jim Hendler.
01:35:03 [chumpster]
commented item C
01:39:11 [sbp]
so, you still gonna be using namespaces sans "#"?
01:39:20 [AaronSw]
Of course!
01:39:41 [AaronSw]
C::"""Schank's PR-image for ILS has been that they are "trying to fix the schools" by building educational software that better fits the natural ways students learn.""" - [Memoirs of an AI hacker|http://www.robotwisdom.com/ai/ilsmemoir.html]
01:39:45 [sbp]
can you state, for the millionth time, why?
01:39:45 [chumpster]
commented item C
01:40:15 [AaronSw]
Because namespaces with "#" aren't Resources, and thus aren't compatible with the rest of the Web.
01:40:32 [sbp]
and why does that matter?
01:42:10 [AaronSw]
Because I like to be compatible? Because RDF isn't the center of the universe? Because it's a bit hypocritical to claim you're describing Resources and not describe them? Because Roy Fielding is a rather strong-looking guy and he could beat me up?
01:42:41 [AaronSw]
How many more do you want?
01:42:49 [sbp]
THe last one was fine enough
01:42:59 [AaronSw]
:-)
01:43:03 [sbp]
Did you see my Plex rant? Oh, of course you did... what did you think?
01:43:35 [AaronSw]
it was interesting, but you seem to have forgotten that the Plex isn't the kind of system that needs its own URI scheme.
01:43:45 [AaronSw]
We just leech off other people's.
01:43:54 [sbp]
how so?
01:44:01 [AaronSw]
The ELS scheme would be good for the Plex to use.
01:44:15 [AaronSw]
Because items in the Plex just use URIs as identifiers... they just store triples...
01:44:24 [sbp]
I thought that it'd have content on nodes, and end up being a bit like Freenet
01:44:37 [AaronSw]
Right, it would, but routing would still be done with RDF.
01:44:44 [AaronSw]
And so the content could have any URI.
01:44:57 [AaronSw]
You could resolve Freenet, HTTP, etc. URIs all thru the same protocol.
01:45:03 [AaronSw]
SHA1 hashes...
01:45:21 [sbp]
so then it comes back down to trust again
01:45:55 [AaronSw]
Right, ELS URIs would be much better from a trust pov
01:46:11 [sbp]
at the moment, it feels like a bin where people can throw absolutely anything. Mess, mess!
01:46:34 [AaronSw]
Why is that a mess?
01:46:38 [AaronSw]
Is the Web a mess?
01:46:42 [sbp]
yes!
01:47:03 [AaronSw]
Nothing wrong with a mess, then.
01:47:09 [AaronSw]
Mess are your friend.
01:47:17 [AaronSw]
We can only generate useful things from chaos.
01:47:26 [AaronSw]
Every other format loses something in some translation.
01:47:43 [sbp]
Well, I was just wondering about protocol concerns. Will there, for example, be things on the Plex that are definitive: e.g. triples for content and hashes
01:48:20 [AaronSw]
I don't follow...
01:48:28 [AaronSw]
Nothing is definitively definitive.
01:48:38 [sbp]
a hash thingy is
01:48:54 [AaronSw]
But a hash contains no data.
01:48:55 [sbp]
"Some really long bit of text" :hash "j3w4t90340t8340t02u0" .
01:49:04 [AaronSw]
That's not definitive, just verifiable.
01:49:35 [sbp]
if a verifiable thing is verified, then it's definitive
01:50:04 [AaronSw]
.wn definitive
01:50:06 [xena]
definitive defined as:
01:50:07 [xena]
- adj 1: clearly defined or formulated; "the plain and unequivocal language of the laws"- R.B.Taney [syn: {unequivocal}]
01:50:08 [xena]
- 2: of recognized authority or excellence; "the definitive work on Greece"; "classical methods of navigation" [syn: {authoritative}, {classical}]
01:50:09 [xena]
- 3: supplying or being a final or conclusive settlement; "a definitive verdict"; "a determinate answer to the problem" [syn: {determinate}]
01:50:31 [sbp]
ah, it's wonderful that 99.9% of the RDF/SW literature available through Google is still utter rubbish
01:51:14 [sbp]
the WN definitions clearly support my case...
01:51:46 [AaronSw]
Whatever.
01:52:07 [AaronSw]
I still don't understand the question.
01:52:16 [AaronSw]
People will insert triples and these triples will have signatures.
01:52:36 [sbp]
* sbp is still grappling with the high-level architecture
01:53:03 [AaronSw]
This is why ELS URIs are so cool -- they're signed, so if you get back a representation that's also signed, then you know the document is good.
01:53:12 [AaronSw]
I should tell Zooko that...
01:53:23 [sbp]
ESL, BTW
01:53:32 [sbp]
yes, you're right
01:53:51 [sbp]
say, "easel"
01:54:19 [AaronSw]
Ah.
01:54:23 [AaronSw]
Cool.
01:54:35 [AaronSw]
I was pretty close, tho.
01:54:40 [sbp]
I dunno, though. It's all soooo tricky; who do we have working on it
01:54:56 [sbp]
you were close enough to let me know what it was that you were talking about, so that's a success
01:55:21 [sbp]
s/it/it?/
01:55:32 [sbp]
s/it/down, over there/
01:56:14 [sbp]
what's up with Zooko.com?
01:56:38 [AaronSw]
Working on what? I don't follow.
01:56:57 [sbp]
Plex
01:56:57 [AaronSw]
Hmm, HavenCo Clubhouse must be down again.
01:57:01 [deltab]
"working on down, over there?"?
01:57:21 [AaronSw]
The Plex is down over there?
01:57:39 [sbp]
heh orry
01:57:45 [sbp]
s/orry/, sorry/
01:57:48 [AaronSw]
Heh.
01:58:15 [AaronSw]
It's me, oierw and anubis3, mostly. deltab also helps out as usual.
01:58:21 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw tries to think of who he left out.
01:58:39 [sbp]
poor deltab
01:58:45 [sbp]
So, what's been done so far?
01:59:32 [AaronSw]
I dunno too much, as I've been messing with this computer, lately (Grrrrr!) so I'm really behind.
01:59:58 [AaronSw]
When I last left, they were finishing up a design for a network and storage system, and I was doing some small-scale tests with IRC.
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02:11:51 [AaronSw]
wb
02:11:52 [AaronSw]
..
02:11:54 [AaronSw]
np
02:12:58 [sbp]
.. == ty
02:13:44 [sbp]
@ http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2001OctDec/0409
02:13:46 [chumpster]
D: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2001OctDec/0409 from sbp
02:14:19 [sbp]
D::"""As you know, I think that developing Web browsers in the medium term without RDF parsers is a mistake [...]"""
02:14:20 [chumpster]
commented item D
02:14:27 [sbp]
D:|Re: Clear and simple writing
02:14:28 [chumpster]
titled item D
02:19:29 [sbp]
ooh, rich-metadata for HTML!
02:20:09 [AaronSw]
C::"even the Macintosh 'File' menu tells a chronological Open-Close-Quit story (by this principle, it ought to be arranged Open-Save-Print-Close-Quit)." - ibid.
02:20:11 [chumpster]
commented item C
02:21:20 [sbp]
it should be possible to come up with an RDF vocabulary for adding decent metadata to XHTML pages, specifically oriented for that task, and then implmenting it using those JavaScript type things that Jim Ley was working on
02:22:01 [sbp]
And apparently, it ports well to both IE and Mozilla
02:22:16 [sbp]
Well, put it on the ToDo list
02:22:53 [AaronSw]
Cool.
02:23:44 [sbp]
It would be a staggeringly cool thing to try to implement, but I'll be fucked if I'm going to be the one to do it
02:24:23 [AaronSw]
Sounds like an added incentive for you to do it. ;-)
02:24:34 [sbp]
lol!
02:25:48 [sbp]
It's too much of a LEAD thing to be of any use
02:26:32 [sbp]
like making a television set in your shed
02:26:58 [AaronSw]
fax machines!
02:27:09 [deltab]
LEAD?
02:27:15 [sbp]
fax machines?
02:27:23 [AaronSw]
Live Early Adoption and Deletion
02:27:27 [AaronSw]
Oops, I mean Development ;)
02:27:36 [deltab]
heh
02:27:50 [AaronSw]
Being the only guy with a TV is sorta useful. Being the only guy with a fax machine really isn't.
02:28:06 [AaronSw]
'cuz you can still do closed circuit TV.
02:28:33 [deltab]
why not closed-circuit fax?
02:28:38 [sbp]
lol
02:28:59 [AaronSw]
(Hey guys, come sit on my lawn and you can watch *my bathroom* on this tiny box.)
02:29:22 [AaronSw]
Because why not photocopy and deliver the documents, deltab?
02:29:32 [sbp]
cool, Aaron's gone nuts. I knew it'd happen one day
02:30:01 [AaronSw]
heh.
02:30:19 [AaronSw]
one day? I thought I was always nuts.
02:30:32 [sbp]
well, "more so", then
02:31:21 [sbp]
a higher plateau of nuttiness
02:31:21 [AaronSw]
I had trouble thinking of an enticement for the neighbors.
02:31:40 [sbp]
stick a hooker on your front lawn
02:32:06 [AaronSw]
Ah, true, that's very Shirkian.
02:32:18 [AaronSw]
Shirky is the one I owe for the fax machine example.
02:33:48 [sbp]
so what apple bags of blossom delight have the fountains given the small inconsistent bees today?
02:34:26 [AaronSw]
* sbp reaches a higher plateau of nuttiness
02:35:53 [sbp]
we all *knew* that Roger had a third nipple called Penelope: I was just the first to state it in such a colorful fashion
02:36:08 [AaronSw]
.google "a third nipple called Penelope"
02:36:09 [xena]
no results found.
02:36:17 [AaronSw]
Hmm, that sounds familiar.
02:36:26 [AaronSw]
.google "first to state it in such a colorful fashion"
02:36:26 [xena]
no results found.
02:36:35 [sbp]
it should sound familiar!
02:36:46 [AaronSw]
Why?
02:36:49 [sbp]
try the first search, +Roger, and without the quotes
02:36:59 [AaronSw]
.google Roger had a third nipple called Penelope
02:37:00 [xena]
Roger had a third nipple called Penelope: http://www.asstr.org/~spunknwagnels/nwmd19.html
02:37:06 [AaronSw]
Oh dear.
02:37:21 [AaronSw]
I had no idea it was this bad.
02:38:17 [sbp]
what was which bad?
02:38:48 [AaronSw]
Your insanity.
02:39:48 [sbp]
ah. If insanity is in a bad state, then that must add up to sanity, surely?
02:40:03 [AaronSw]
heh.
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03:01:42 [AaronSw]
Homer: Ha, ha, ha, he said blink tag.
03:19:01 [sbp]
yo, Aaron, do you remember what happened to the MP3s of DanC playing that the plenary?
03:19:28 [AaronSw]
I didn't realize there were any.
03:19:55 [sbp]
I thought you said that some got recorded, but were either lost or not put online?
03:20:56 [AaronSw]
I think that was TimBL.
03:21:28 [sbp]
TimBL recorded some stuff, or TimBL's stuff got lost (or both)?
03:21:44 [AaronSw]
both.
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04:32:52 [sbp]
Seems that all CWM does now anyway is to parse command line arguments
04:33:00 [sbp]
Llyn seems to do the real work
04:41:05 [sbp]
Gotta run
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14:59:34 [AaronSw]
I'm baaaaaaaaaaaack!
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Woohoo.
14:59:46 [Morbus]
this sputnix works well
14:59:54 [AaronSw]
So I used the top secret Apple Disk Copy 6.5d45 software to back up my machine
14:59:55 [AaronSw]
and then I "cloned" it to the other hard drive.
14:59:58 [AaronSw]
And all was restored!
15:00:09 [AaronSw]
But then I realized that since I made a Read-Only image it had made my hard drive read only!
15:00:20 [AaronSw]
So I found a tool on google:
15:00:21 [AaronSw]
.google fwb unlock volume
15:00:22 [xena]
fwb unlock volume: http://www.fwb.com/dc/special/unlock.html
15:00:31 [AaronSw]
which let me unlock it and now I'm back.
15:01:14 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw prepares to download all 1000s of things he missed.
15:01:50 [sbp]
wb
15:02:22 [AaronSw]
thank you
15:02:24 [AaronSw]
thank you
15:02:24 [AaronSw]
thank you
15:02:26 [AaronSw]
:-)
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15:02:44 [sbp]
np :-)
15:03:01 [AaronSw]
You have no idea how good it feels to be back. How long have I been at this?
15:03:11 [sbp]
days
15:03:11 [AaronSw]
logster, grep new hard drive.* came
15:04:27 [logster]
I'm logging. I found 1 answer for 'new hard drive.* came'
15:04:28 [logster]
0) 2001-11-26 15:03:11 <AaronSw> logster, grep new hard drive.* came
15:04:29 [AaronSw]
clearly, but how many
15:04:29 [AaronSw]
they really need to do something about that logster bug...
15:04:29 [sbp]
which bug would that be?
15:04:32 [AaronSw]
Hmm, maybe not...
15:04:48 [AaronSw]
I thought it went and got back all results before returning, not just the first 5
15:04:52 [AaronSw]
but maybe I was wrong.
15:05:20 [sbp]
yeah, it's just slow. IF that was the only one that it found, then it had to go through the entire lot anyway
15:05:28 [AaronSw]
right
15:07:52 [AaronSw]
Aha, it was 2001-11-19 29:07:46.
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That's 7 days!
15:08:22 [AaronSw]
Wow.
15:09:46 [AaronSw]
ok, time for school
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crap.
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snak is gonna quit in 30 minutes.
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buggery
15:17:39 [Morbus]
man, this sputnix is nice and fast.
15:18:26 [Morbus]
AaronSw, are you gonna do anythign with this proxy thing for adam?
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15:26:15 [Morbus]
bah.
15:26:18 [Morbus]
stupid snak.
15:26:28 [Morbus]
hey sbpster.
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15:28:32 [Morbus]
welp, i've determined that snak doesnt' store its date for registration in the pref file, or uses the pref files creation date to look for it.
15:31:35 [sbp]
Hi there Morby, deltab
15:32:10 [Morbus]
hey there
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15:33:16 [Morbus]
lol
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15:41:31 [Morbus]
AaronSw, you around? need to talk about your blogifyYP.
15:41:41 [Morbus]
no, damn, he's at school.
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18:44:36 [Morbus]
hey sbp
18:45:01 [sbp]
Hi there
18:48:55 [AaronSw]
hi
18:49:08 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw will brb
18:49:20 [Morbus]
i'm getting a cat tomorrow. yay1
18:49:23 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw disconnects
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* AaronSw reconnects
18:50:06 [sbp]
cool. What are you going to call it?
18:50:15 [Morbus]
dunno yet. i'm thinking about "bunny"
18:50:42 [sbp]
won't that be confusing? If you get a rabbit, you'll have to acll it "pussy"
18:51:04 [Morbus]
we were gonna call it kitty.
18:51:14 [Morbus]
we may name it something else.
18:51:17 [Morbus]
my last cat was named goro.
18:51:31 [AaronSw]
a cat?
18:51:41 [AaronSw]
Heh heh.
18:52:22 [sbp]
Goro? Any particular reason?
18:53:54 [Morbus]
yeah. long story.
18:57:57 [sbp]
Gotta run
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19:04:14 [AaronSw]
Morbus, not really.
19:06:51 [AaronSw]
Wow, I'm in 16 IRC channels.
19:09:37 [Morbus]
not really, what?
19:12:27 [Morbus]
'cha doing today?
19:12:54 [AaronSw]
I'm working on a roadmap for the Plex.
19:13:11 [Morbus]
ah. i wanna see when you're done.
19:13:26 [AaronSw]
OK... i'll put it up on the web
19:13:32 [Morbus]
cool.
19:16:38 [Morbus]
did you try the new ag client for the mac? i keep forgetting its name.
19:16:50 [AaronSw]
not yet
19:16:55 [AaronSw]
let me grab it
19:17:32 [Morbus]
bwahah
19:17:38 [Morbus]
i got 41 referers from monkeyfarts.org
19:17:42 [AaronSw]
lol
19:18:28 [AaronSw]
is the latest version of sputnix 0.1b?
19:18:40 [Morbus]
yeah
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19:21:39 [AaronSw]
hi gabe
19:22:20 [GabeW]
hey
19:34:32 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw desperately tries to remember his AudioGalaxy password.
19:34:37 [Morbus]
heh.
19:35:52 [AaronSw]
Ah, luckily the preferences file is something that can pass for plain text in a desperate situation.
19:36:22 [Morbus]
dammit. i got 500 downlaods of amphetadesk yesterday, and i dunno who mentioned it.
19:36:45 [AaronSw]
Yeah, SF needs referer tracking
19:36:53 [AaronSw]
deltab, take note of that for our project :)
19:37:17 [Morbus]
i wonder if its from ask.com. i'm getting a huge amount of refers from them. (900+).
19:37:29 [AaronSw]
Heh: "Should Audiogalaxy change their protocols at any time, this client may break. Do not panic."
19:38:50 [Morbus]
yeah, saw that too.
19:39:00 [Morbus]
the about box contains a link to a reveng of the ag protocl.
19:39:17 [AaronSw]
Hmm, I can't get the about box to appear.
19:39:46 [Morbus]
?. odd.
19:40:50 [AaronSw]
yeah
19:40:57 [AaronSw]
I also get "Status: standing by"
19:44:28 [Morbus]
yeah, thats normal.
19:44:33 [Morbus]
that's what it should be.
19:44:40 [Morbus]
you're logged in, and dandy.
19:46:37 [Morbus]
its faster for me too - when i add a file, it downloads at an avergae of 5/6k on my box
19:46:50 [AaronSw]
cool
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19:52:44 [show_jacky]
hello
19:52:51 [Morbus]
.hey
19:53:26 [show_jacky]
do u program ?
19:54:12 [Morbus]
yup
19:54:15 [Morbus]
most of us do.
19:54:23 [Morbus]
actually, i'm pretty sure all of us do.
19:54:23 [show_jacky]
ok
19:54:37 [show_jacky]
which languages ?
19:55:42 [show_jacky]
i search all documentation about hardware port
19:55:57 [Morbus]
i know very little about hardware.
19:56:21 [show_jacky]
and, the others, who have forgot their keyboard ?
19:56:23 [show_jacky]
;-p
19:56:39 [show_jacky]
Morbus, what do u program ?
19:56:45 [Morbus]
yeah, typically, we stay quiet until you prove yourself.
19:56:52 [Morbus]
its my turn this week to be the lazy door greeter.
19:57:03 [show_jacky]
mmh
19:57:42 [show_jacky]
i suppose i must tell something ?
19:57:50 [show_jacky]
a magic word ?
19:57:51 [show_jacky]
;-p
19:59:14 [Morbus]
just keep talking. if we know something, we'll answer ;)
19:59:42 [show_jacky]
what do i supposed to tell ?
19:59:50 [show_jacky]
0xaa55 ???
20:01:09 [show_jacky]
"keep talking"...
20:01:35 [show_jacky]
i search documentation on programming ide protocol in asm
20:01:56 [show_jacky]
like complete description of registers
20:03:00 [show_jacky]
how can i do a+b in basic ?
20:03:02 [show_jacky]
;-ppp
20:03:44 [show_jacky]
mmhh... show_jacky, u'd better program in c++
20:04:02 [show_jacky]
i'm not agree, show_jacky, i prefer asm
20:04:14 [show_jacky]
sure
20:04:32 [show_jacky]
i hope i'm a great enjoyment. ;-p
20:05:12 [show_jacky]
a little question Morbus
20:05:23 [Morbus]
k.
20:05:43 [show_jacky]
what do u wait exactly ?
20:06:19 [Morbus]
i wait until you say something that warrants a comment from me. if i don't answer, then it means i have nothing to say. most people here are doing other things. we're not on a beck and call schedule.
20:06:54 [show_jacky]
ok
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20:23:18 [AaronSw]
hey sbp
20:23:58 [sbp]
Hi there!
20:32:49 [sbp]
do any of you have business cards? what would you put on one?
20:32:59 [Morbus]
i have one, yeah.
20:33:08 [Morbus]
its "charred". its kinda interesting.
20:33:14 [Morbus]
the only thing on is is "disobey.com"
20:33:21 [Morbus]
and then beneath "worship the computer and continue to live".
20:33:37 [Morbus]
i'll get you a copy. i have it in quark around on my mac at home somewhere.
20:33:58 [AaronSw]
heh, that sounds great
20:34:05 [AaronSw]
after the last con i decided i need a business card
20:34:20 [sbp]
cool
20:34:29 [Morbus]
yeah, the outline of my card is all charred, like it's been pulled from hell <g>
20:34:55 [sbp]
heh, heh
20:35:04 [sbp]
what would you put on yours, Aaron?
20:35:16 [AaronSw]
I dunno...
20:35:29 [AaronSw]
Perhaps I can copy DanC and do: ( Aaron ) --does--> ( Stuff )
20:35:31 [AaronSw]
;)
20:35:32 [sbp]
so why would you need one?
20:35:39 [AaronSw]
Oh.
20:35:44 [AaronSw]
I need one with my website on it.
20:35:53 [sbp]
which one?
20:35:59 [AaronSw]
aaronsw.com
20:36:06 [AaronSw]
I actually designed a decent one a while back...
20:36:53 [AaronSw]
http://groups.google.com/groups?as_umsgid=S8c3.5aca%40clarinet.com&hl=en is quite funny.
20:37:08 [sbp]
sbp has changed the topic to: disobey.com | aaronsw.com | Homer
20:37:17 [AaronSw]
heh heh heh
20:37:38 [sbp]
:-)
20:38:21 [Morbus]
hey AaronSw, ever though of empowering your blogify to support rss:title and crap?
20:38:50 [Morbus]
on a side note, i got the new joho blog to use the rss:item, but yours doesn't parse it. only voidstar's does.
20:40:25 [sbp]
ooh, guess what I just got!
20:40:28 [sbp]
[[[
20:40:28 [sbp]
From: "Vivan Los Musicales" <armusicales@aris.com.ar>
20:40:28 [sbp]
To: "100mil" <armusicales@aris.com.ar>
20:40:28 [sbp]
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 6:27 PM
20:40:28 [sbp]
Subject: VIDEO: El Fantasma De La Opera
20:40:30 [sbp]
]]]
20:41:04 [AaronSw]
Morbus, rss:title? how so?
20:41:52 [Morbus]
like, have a parent rss:item that you'd still understand.
20:42:06 [Morbus]
but within that rss:item, people could further say rss:title and rss:description and even rss:link
20:43:36 [sbp]
Aaron, your Website's buggered
20:45:36 [AaronSw]
hmm
20:45:48 [sbp]
Hmm... blogspace.com is alright though. Different server?
20:47:02 [AaronSw]
what website are we talking about here?
20:47:15 [sbp]
aaronsw.com
20:47:22 [AaronSw]
yeah, different server
20:47:49 [sbp]
well, it's gone down. Silly thing
20:48:08 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw reboots it
20:50:50 [sbp]
* sbp is disgusted that #swhack isn't listed in the acknowledgements section of disobey.com
20:51:03 [Morbus]
why?
20:51:07 [Morbus]
i haven't updated that section in years.
20:51:07 [AaronSw]
Heh
20:51:29 [sbp]
We deserve to be there! You'd be nothing if it wasn't for #swhack :-)
20:51:38 [Morbus]
heheheh. uuhhhh... huh. :)
20:52:03 [sbp]
heh, I think that's the largest "uh huh" I've ever got out of someone
20:52:25 [Morbus]
see. you should be attributing me!
20:52:38 [Morbus]
jeez, you've got your to rubber, your missing letter game, your largest uh huh.
20:52:46 [Morbus]
what ever would you do with morbus, besides being a productive citizen?
20:52:49 [Morbus]
hMMmmMM?
20:53:26 [AaronSw]
Hmm, dmoz wants me to vote on inclusion of the Adult category on their main page.
20:53:33 [sbp]
that's very true. We owe you an awful lot
20:53:54 [sbp]
vote yes on proposition 583!
20:54:06 [sbp]
.google "proposition 583"
20:54:07 [xena]
no results found.
20:54:11 [AaronSw]
heh
20:54:15 [sbp]
pff
20:54:29 [sbp]
hack the "3" off, then
20:54:31 [sbp]
.google "proposition 58"
20:54:32 [xena]
"proposition 58": http://assessor.co.la.ca.us/html/prop58.htm
20:54:52 [sbp]
Alexa to the rescue...
20:54:57 [sbp]
http://web.archive.org/web/20010609050602/http://assessor.co.la.ca.us/html/prop58.htm
20:54:59 [Morbus]
i say yes.
20:55:08 [AaronSw]
you would ;)
20:55:11 [sbp]
ah: "provide property tax relief by preventing reassessment when real property transfers between parents and children (Proposition 58)"
20:55:17 [Morbus]
no, i'm serious. ignoring the fact that its adult.
20:55:22 [Morbus]
i would vote on the inclusion of any ignored category.
20:55:41 [sbp]
Camwhores for the dmoz front page!
20:55:42 [AaronSw]
Hmm, it crashes omniweb
20:55:59 [sbp]
simple solution: don't use omniweb
20:56:47 [Morbus]
welllll, look who has alllll the answers! :)
20:57:08 [sbp]
who, who?
20:59:05 [AaronSw]
the person who emailed me clearly doesn't want the Adult bit on the front page
21:00:08 [Morbus]
why not?
21:00:29 [sbp]
"we're offering you the chance to vote yes or no! (If you vote yes, you suck)"
21:00:40 [AaronSw]
"""
21:00:41 [AaronSw]
Be aware that past "compromises" have led to continually greater encroachment of the Adult cats on the Main ODP. IMO, if we allow Option #1 or #2 to pass, the next logical step will literally be to merge the Adult tree into the main. Support for that opinion is shown here...
21:00:42 [AaronSw]
"""
21:01:03 [Morbus]
yeah, but sooo?
21:01:18 [Morbus]
objectively, its just a category
21:01:20 [AaronSw]
Heh heh.
21:01:35 [AaronSw]
banning has 53%, allowing has 34%
21:01:40 [Morbus]
i think Society and Culture is the fucking devil, but its on the front page ;)
21:01:50 [AaronSw]
lol
21:02:07 [AaronSw]
They should really use a condorcet voting system here.
21:02:12 [sbp]
"the fucking devil" - good name for a pub
21:02:17 [Morbus]
what's that? what's condorcet?
21:02:21 [AaronSw]
The poll is worded in such a way that banning is far more likely to win.
21:02:24 [sbp]
condorcet?
21:02:41 [AaronSw]
Condorcet is a voting system that's much fairer than just picking who gets the most votes.
21:02:58 [AaronSw]
You order the candidates by preference, and then compare each two options pairwise.
21:03:01 [sbp]
.google Condorcet
21:03:02 [xena]
Condorcet: http://www.eskimo.com/~robla/politics/condorcet.html
21:03:31 [AaronSw]
See, the problem here is that supporters of linking will be split over options 1 and 2.
21:03:43 [AaronSw]
whereas all supporters of banning will pick option 3
21:03:56 [sbp]
Cool idea
21:04:08 [AaronSw]
condorcet solves thir problem by letting you vote for multiple people
21:04:11 [AaronSw]
or choices
21:04:17 [GabeW]
its a secret of pollsters
21:04:42 [AaronSw]
Yeah, I love the Microsoft push polls.
21:04:42 [sbp]
@ http://www.eskimo.com/~robla/svg2swf/
21:04:55 [chumpster]
E: svg2swf from sbp
21:05:16 [sbp]
E::In (drool) [http://www.python.org/|Python]
21:05:21 [chumpster]
commented item E
21:05:33 [sbp]
E::Converts SVG into Flash, apparently. Why? Who knows?
21:05:37 [chumpster]
commented item E
21:05:41 [GabeW]
how about the other way? ;-)
21:05:49 [sbp]
yeah...
21:06:08 [sbp]
perhaps it's reverse engineerable (in the literal sense)
21:06:28 [GabeW]
well, if swf is well-documented...
21:07:22 [sbp]
How do you add pictures to the chump?
21:07:26 [sbp]
something to do with +
21:08:16 [sbp]
[[[
21:08:16 [sbp]
<sbp> help, dude
21:08:16 [sbp]
<chumpster> Not understood: help, dude
21:08:16 [sbp]
<sbp> help
21:08:16 [sbp]
<chumpster> Post a URL by saying it on a line prefixed by '@ '
21:08:17 [sbp]
]]]
21:08:28 [sbp]
s/]]]/[...]\n]]]/
21:09:08 [Morbus]
oh, i love those well worded votes.
21:09:15 [Morbus]
reminds me of the whole rss naming thing.
21:11:10 [sbp]
E::By [http://www.eskimo.com/~robla/|Rob]: +[http://www.eskimo.com/~robla/littleho.gif|Rob's Little House]
21:11:14 [chumpster]
commented item E
21:11:58 [sbp]
heh, could you fix this, please Aaron: http://blogspace.com/swhack/weblog/
21:12:29 [AaronSw]
What is there to fix?
21:12:33 [Morbus]
heh.
21:12:39 [sbp]
picture is flying in the air
21:12:58 [AaronSw]
yeah, you just need to add another line under it...
21:12:59 [AaronSw]
E::How cute!
21:13:04 [chumpster]
commented item E
21:13:08 [AaronSw]
Hmm...
21:13:15 [sbp]
heh, heh, heh
21:13:31 [AaronSw]
i dunno why it's floating.
21:13:59 [sbp]
img { float: right; margin-top: -1em; }
21:14:11 [AaronSw]
that's your fault, isn't it?
21:14:17 [sbp]
yes. Yes it is :-)
21:14:25 [AaronSw]
Just wanted to make sure.
21:14:27 [AaronSw]
L:)
21:14:27 [sbp]
ooh, I like this: <?xml version="1.0" encoding="ISO-8859-1" standalone="yes"?>
21:14:28 [sbp]
<html><head>
21:14:46 [AaronSw]
why do you like that?
21:14:57 [sbp]
because it sucks on an incredible scale
21:15:11 [AaronSw]
why does it do that?
21:15:16 [sbp]
you need a namespace
21:15:29 [sbp]
and try to get it to output as UTF-8
21:15:44 [AaronSw]
whiners, the lot of you
21:15:49 [sbp]
some dumbwad browsers actually render the XML Decl.
21:16:33 [AaronSw]
is http://www.w3.org/1999/html good enough for you?
21:16:40 [sbp]
s/html/xhtml/
21:16:57 [AaronSw]
never satisfied!
21:17:00 [sbp]
heh, heh
21:17:07 [AaronSw]
ok, how is it now?
21:17:13 [sbp]
don't forget an xml:lang attribute
21:18:10 [Morbus]
lol!
21:18:16 [Morbus]
go to camwhore.com (no s) and see where it redirects you to ;')
21:18:23 [AaronSw]
ok, try now, sbp
21:19:08 [sbp]
no, you want: xml:lang="en-swhack"
21:19:27 [sbp]
per http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/dirlang#langcodes
21:19:42 [AaronSw]
Heh heh heh.
21:19:49 [sbp]
:-)
21:20:40 [sbp]
weird stuff, but I like the nose in your smiley
21:25:33 [sbp]
one day, someone's going to go through these logs and think "what a bunch of weirdos"
21:25:58 [AaronSw]
And what do you say to them?
21:26:15 [sbp]
I say, yes. Yes, we are
21:26:28 [sbp]
Welcome to our world :-)
21:26:58 [Morbus]
and yes, you don't belong. :)
21:27:03 [sbp]
actually, the logs are quite boring. Have you ever been though them?
21:27:17 [Morbus]
yeah, all the good naughty stuff happens in the comments.
21:27:30 [Morbus]
like that time me and sbp had an org... well. you know.
21:27:39 [sbp]
the only thing that we discuss on log are how boring the logs are
21:27:45 [sbp]
ssssssh, Morbus!
21:27:59 [Morbus]
oooh, sbp, i like when you hiss at me.
21:28:06 [Morbus]
logster's not logging, right? <g>
21:28:06 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw is on phone with someone who says he reads our chatlogs Aaah!
21:28:13 [sbp]
lol!
21:28:17 [Morbus]
heh.
21:28:21 [Morbus]
who is it?
21:28:21 [AaronSw]
logster, on
21:28:24 [AaronSw]
Robb Beal.
21:28:32 [sbp]
.google "Robb Beal"
21:28:33 [xena]
"Robb Beal": http://wmf.editthispage.com/discuss/msgReader$6092?mode=day
21:29:03 [sbp]
Um... O.K.
21:29:15 [Morbus]
beal.net just goes to a domain hosting generic page.
21:29:32 [sbp]
Why does he read our chatlogs? Wouldn't it be easier to come in here?
21:29:51 [sbp]
Eek... he might be reading this right now!
21:30:20 [AaronSw]
heh.
21:30:45 [Morbus]
we love you oh person we don't know?!
21:31:26 [sbp]
You've got to wonder how come Aaron is chatting to him on the phone...
21:31:45 [Morbus]
he's ratted us out!
21:31:58 [sbp]
aargh, it's the Feds!
21:32:47 [Morbus]
i can't believe they'r eusing innocent little boys now!
21:32:59 [sbp]
well, Aaron
21:33:06 [sbp]
Aaron's hardly innocent
21:33:16 [Morbus]
i think we should kill him.
21:33:19 [Morbus]
let's blow up his house.
21:33:30 [sbp]
5 more would take his place
21:33:38 [Morbus]
they multiply?!
21:33:40 [Morbus]
god dammit!
21:34:19 [sbp]
You can't fight city hall or Aaron Swartz
21:35:54 [sbp]
and if Aaron goes to city hall, then you'd better be scared
21:38:08 [sbp]
ah, aaronsw.com is like, totally up again
21:40:24 [Morbus]
what's the thing for altavista and google to search for sites that have linked to another site?
21:40:28 [Morbus]
i thought it was link=URL
21:40:42 [sbp]
.google link:http://aaronsw.com/
21:40:44 [xena]
link:http://aaronsw.com/: http://blogspace.com/swhack/chatlogs
21:40:51 [Morbus]
oh. colon.
21:40:55 [sbp]
cool
21:43:01 [Morbus]
still trying to find who shot up the amphetadesk downloads.
21:43:02 [sbp]
http://disobey.com/ - 1,430 | http://aaronsw.com/ - 2,040 | http://purl.org/net/sbp/ - 1,150
21:43:12 [Morbus]
what's that from?
21:43:24 [sbp]
Google link results
21:44:40 [Morbus]
"disobey.+.com", 4450, aaronsw: 2030
21:45:04 [sbp]
Pff
21:45:20 [Morbus]
pff?
21:45:40 [sbp]
Nearly. Capital "P" :-)
21:45:44 [Morbus]
heh.
21:48:04 [sbp]
We should create a mock address, and get people to change their BIND settings
21:48:09 [Morbus]
you don't like that search?
21:48:24 [sbp]
not really
21:48:24 [sbp]
:-)
21:48:26 [Morbus]
i was thinking of adding a doubleclick.com zonefile to our server.
21:48:33 [sbp]
http://swhack.sw/
21:48:44 [sbp]
heh, heh
21:48:54 [sbp]
ooh: http://sw.hack/
21:49:57 [GabeW]
morbus - that's a splendid idea
21:50:15 [sbp]
'tis indeed
21:50:23 [Morbus]
:)
21:50:33 [GabeW]
for that matter, add a google.com one and run a transparent proxy to collect the google hashes as they are sent to google ;-)
21:50:41 [Morbus]
heheheh...
21:50:46 [Morbus]
that's a good idea too :)
21:51:31 [GabeW]
actually, you don't neccesarily need to fuck with DNS if you can fuck with routers at the edge ;-)
21:51:41 [sbp]
http://archives.neohapsis.com/archives/nfr-wizards/1999-q3/0448.html
21:52:22 [sbp]
Gotta run
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22:25:35 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw is off the phone
22:25:37 [AaronSw]
I'
22:25:44 [AaronSw]
I've added a lot of adblocking to the ArchiverProxy.
22:31:08 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw doesn't respond to an email labebled "RESPONSE REQUIRED"
22:31:16 [AaronSw]
It turns out it wasn't actually required.
22:32:03 [AaronSw]
Oh man, this is sick.
22:32:08 [AaronSw]
I'm getting Hamster Dance SPAM!
22:59:23 [sbp]
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23:03:23 [sbp]
Hamster Dance SPAM?
23:11:34 [GabeW]
http://www.hamsterdance.com/original.html ?
23:15:01 [sbp]
Hmm... could b
23:15:16 [sbp]
s/b/be/
23:15:27 [Morbus]
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23:15:50 [sbp]
dare I say hello?
23:16:25 [AaronSw]
hi
23:16:28 [Morbus]
if you must.
23:16:38 [AaronSw]
Yeah, Hamster Dance Spam.
23:16:39 [sbp]
Hello
23:16:41 [AaronSw]
it was pretty scary.
23:16:46 [Morbus]
hey there
23:16:56 [Morbus]
* Morbus is currently listening to 'Meet Me in Heaven' on Johnny Cash's album 'Unchained'.
23:16:58 [Morbus]
!itunes
23:16:59 [Morbus]
have you seen the hitler dance?
23:19:15 [Morbus]
http://homepage.mac.com/rgriff/osxguide2.html
23:19:20 [Morbus]
dunno if its good. dling it now.
23:21:35 [Morbus]
oh yah, you can't run v.X in classic. just complains at you.
23:22:12 [tansaku]
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23:22:25 [sbp]
Hmm... the word "miscellaneous" is quite sexy, really
23:24:16 [Morbus]
yeah, AaronSw, this pdf is good.
23:24:19 [Morbus]
* Morbus is currently listening to 'Once Again (Twister Mix)' on AK1200's album 'Lock & Roll'.
23:24:19 [Morbus]
!itunes
23:24:29 [AaronSw]
PDF?
23:24:40 [sbp]
!itunes
23:24:41 [Morbus]
* Morbus is currently listening to 'Once Again (Twister Mix)' on AK1200's album 'Lock & Roll'.
23:24:43 [Morbus]
about a dozen messages up.
23:24:52 [sbp]
cool, I can do it too
23:24:55 [Morbus]
!aaron sucks
23:24:59 [Morbus]
!aaronsucks
23:25:00 [Morbus]
huh.
23:25:11 [sbp]
heh, heh
23:25:34 [sbp]
ooh, a message from Thomas B. Passin talking about RDDL as if I didn't know about it, once again
23:25:57 [AaronSw]
wb tansaku
23:26:05 [AaronSw]
perhaps you can introduce the gang to bob2?
23:26:08 [sbp]
I'm getting a bit tired of people saying, "have you heard about RDDL?". I was there when XML-Dev invented it!
23:26:13 [AaronSw]
lol
23:26:20 [sbp]
gang?
23:26:29 [AaronSw]
Yeah, you were credited with inventing it, weren't you?
23:26:45 [Morbus]
AaronSw, are you doing anythign with this proxy thing for adam engst? or should i shove it in my shit to work on folder?
23:26:49 [sbp]
Yep. I'm in the history bit somewhere :-)
23:27:04 [AaronSw]
Morbus, I don't really plan to do much with it, no.
23:27:08 [AaronSw]
Yeah, here he is: http://www.openhealth.org/RDDL/contrib.htm
23:27:09 [Morbus]
now we just need a competing standard called ENGMA
23:27:14 [Morbus]
ok.
23:27:27 [AaronSw]
lol @ ENGMA
23:27:32 [sbp]
ah, well there you go
23:27:44 [Morbus]
:)
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23:46:31 [sbp]
lol
23:48:58 [GabeW]
how do you know adame engst?
23:49:38 [sbp]
* sbp considers using </> in XHTML where HTML 4.01 allowed OMITTAG
23:49:46 [sbp]
who?
23:49:49 [Morbus]
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23:50:07 [GabeW]
Morbus and AaronSw were talking about adam engst
23:50:15 [sbp]
ah
23:50:33 [Morbus]
oh hey. this stupid manual tells you how to turn on the crash reporter.
23:50:35 [GabeW]
and use the </> - xhtml is just so much n33t3r
23:51:00 [Morbus]
i prefer < />
23:51:08 [AaronSw]
Morbus, I thought you registered ;)
23:51:27 [Morbus]
heh... my stupid comp, on rebooot, resets my date to 1969 :)
23:51:30 [GabeW]
I find it xhtml nice because xml editors become xhtml editors ..
23:51:32 [Morbus]
and i forgot, and snak complained.
23:52:29 [sbp]
Hmm... "Thus, while SHORTTAG constructs of SGML related to attributes are widely used and implemented, those related to elements are not. Documents that use them are conforming SGML documents, but are unlikely to work with many existing HTML tools." - http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/appendix/notes#h-B.3.7
23:53:52 [sbp]
I wonder how many really screw up?
23:54:47 [AaronSw]
feel free to take a look at: http://plexdev.org/roadmap
23:54:50 [AaronSw]
and send feedback
23:55:02 [sbp]
Heh: even NS4.7 displays it correctly. It can't be all that bad
23:55:10 [sbp]
* sbp feels free
23:56:04 [sbp]
Lots of "we" and "I"
23:56:22 [AaronSw]
is there a problem with that?
23:56:43 [AaronSw]
what'd people here think webizingPython, btw? should I send it to timbl? python-dev?
23:57:01 [sbp]
network-based inferencing by WWW2002? Should be easy enough
23:57:08 [sbp]
yeah, send away
23:57:11 [GabeW]
webizing python?
23:57:13 [sbp]
send your guts out :-)
23:57:29 [AaronSw]
GabeW, http://logicerror.com/webizingPython
23:57:44 [AaronSw]
sbp, glad you think so. *now get to work!* :)
23:58:02 [GabeW]
* GabeW is going onto a con call for a while.. I'll read while yakking
23:58:24 [sbp]
:-)
23:58:37 [Morbus]
email, email, email.
23:58:37 [Morbus]
sheesh.
23:58:43 [Morbus]
i'm getting a kitty tomorrow. wanna see it?
23:59:11 [sbp]
ooh, yes please
23:59:14 [AaronSw]
yeah, bring it over.
23:59:49 [GabeW]
splain to me, AaronSw how this is different from Zope/bobo?