IRC log of swhack on 2001-11-26

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00:02:18 [sbp]

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00:08:39 [AaronSw]

LOL, sbp! deltab downloaded your whole website too. Must've been during our wossname scare.

00:09:48 [sbp]

p'on me?

00:10:52 [AaronSw]

Remember when you went around deleting your website?

00:11:30 [sbp]

yes, of course

00:12:12 [AaronSw]

Well, deltab seems to have archived all of it.

00:13:10 [sbp]

neat. How d'you know?

00:13:34 [AaronSw]

I was just poking around the ESP server.

00:14:24 [sbp]

heh, heh. There's barely any point in me running a server, is there? :-)

00:14:51 [sbp]

In fact, if I took it down, I'd probably end up with 5 new copies of it in other locations on the Web. It could actually be beneficial!

00:15:25 [AaronSw]

Heh, perhaps, but there's a lot of dynamic stuff on your server... redirects and such.

00:17:06 [sbp]

yeah, that's true. I'm hoping that when it's all represented in SVG, it'll spell out the word "FUCK"

00:17:19 [AaronSw]

lol

00:36:46 [AaronSw]

@ http://www.dtek.chalmers.se/~d3august/xt/index.html

00:36:50 [chumpster]

A: The Xtraceroute homepage. from AaronSw

00:37:10 [tansaku]

chumpster is a bot huh?

00:37:30 [AaronSw]

A:|Xtraceroute

00:37:34 [chumpster]

titled item A

00:37:34 [AaronSw]

tansaku, yeah, a webloging bot

00:37:53 [AaronSw]

A::Maps traceroute hops onto a globe.

00:37:54 [chumpster]

commented item A

00:38:43 [tansaku]

where's the output to

00:38:44 [tansaku]

?

00:39:08 [AaronSw]

http://blogspace.com/swhack/weblog/

00:39:13 [sbp]

http://blogspace.com/swhack/weblog/

00:39:23 [sbp]

copycat

00:40:09 [sbp]

* sbp gets a copy of Finnegan's Wake from the Web

00:40:44 [AaronSw]

.google bartleby finnegan's wake

00:40:45 [xena]

bartleby finnegan's wake: http://www.duke.edu/~mshumate/print.html

00:41:40 [sbp]

http://www.trentu.ca/jjoyce/

00:42:23 [AaronSw]

BLURB:Finnegan's Wake eText / bookwarez

00:42:25 [chumpster]

B: Finnegan's Wake eText / bookwarez from AaronSw

00:42:32 [AaronSw]

B:[Finnegans Web|http://www.duke.edu/~mshumate/print.html]

00:42:35 [AaronSw]

oops

00:42:42 [sbp]

heh, heh: "bookwares"

00:42:49 [AaronSw]

B::[Finnegans Web|http://www.trentu.ca/jjoyce/]

00:42:50 [chumpster]

commented item B

00:43:21 [sbp]

pff, get it right :-)

00:43:25 [deltab]

and of course there's Jorn Barger's ite

00:43:31 [AaronSw]

B::Jorn Barger's [http://robotwisdom.com/jaj/fwake/short01.html|The online shorter Finnegans Wake (FW I.1 thru I.4, ch1-4)]

00:43:32 [chumpster]

commented item B

00:43:49 [sbp]

yeah

00:46:26 [deltab]

* deltab wonders what he'll think of being chumped here :-)

00:46:52 [sbp]

heh: http://www.finneganswake.org/cartoonJJrefrigeratorgray.jpg

00:47:57 [deltab]

hehe

00:48:40 [sbp]

* sbp notes the lack of a '

00:49:20 [AaronSw]

Why would Jorn mind being chumped here?

00:50:05 [sbp]

cf. http://members.ozemail.com.au/~caveman/Joyce/FW/FAQ/q19.htm

00:51:45 [AaronSw]

Heh: "If you worry that reading the news online will rob you of the serendipity factor you get with the newspaper, Jorn Barger solves the problem." --Dan Gillmor

00:51:51 [AaronSw]

via Jorn's .sig

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00:55:30 [AaronSw]

dinner time

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00:55:53 [sbp]

c'ya

01:09:13 [sbp]

.translate Fra-Eng hegoak

01:09:13 [xena]

Fra is not a valid language symbol.

01:10:06 [sbp]

Pff. Anyway, it's Basque, and related to a song. That'll do

01:12:40 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw tries to convince his parents to visit UK over winter vacation.

01:14:50 [sbp]

Visit in the summer. It still rains, but not as hard

01:14:59 [AaronSw]

Heh.

01:15:37 [AaronSw]

Well, we're trying to decide what to do for Winter Vacation, and our other choices are warm places like Florida, ick.

01:16:09 [sbp]

Go to Alaska

01:16:21 [sbp]

do not collect £200

01:17:13 [sbp]

sbp has changed the topic to: When all's said and done, there's nothing left to say or do.

01:18:46 [sbp]

Is this a rhetorical question, or what?

01:19:17 [AaronSw]

what?

01:19:22 [AaronSw]

:-)

01:27:08 [AaronSw]

.google jorn barger semantic web

01:27:11 [xena]

jorn barger semantic web: http://www.robotwisdom.com/web

01:27:19 [AaronSw]

.google jorn barger xml

01:27:24 [xena]

jorn barger xml: http://www.robotwisdom.com/weblogs

01:27:31 [AaronSw]

hmmph

01:27:52 [sbp]

What are you looking for?

01:27:55 [AaronSw]

here it is: http://www.robotwisdom.com/ai/xml.html

01:30:04 [sbp]

different

01:31:06 [AaronSw]

@ http://www.robotwisdom.com/ai/thicketfaq.html

01:31:18 [chumpster]

C: Overview of 'Fractal Thicket' Indexing from AaronSw

01:31:34 [AaronSw]

C::By Jorn Barger

01:31:35 [chumpster]

commented item C

01:32:56 [AaronSw]

C::"""It's been over forty years since the term "Artificial Intelligence" was coined in 1956. During that time, A.I. has pretty successfully maintained an aura of arcane impenetrability, funneling off billions of dollars in research grants... while delivering almost nothing that can really be called 'intelligent'!""" - [http://www.robotwisdom.com/ai/|Artificial Intelligence, and Robot Wisdom]

01:32:57 [chumpster]

commented item C

01:35:02 [AaronSw]

C::Wow, sixdegrees alert. Jorn worked at NWU's ILS dept. which, in adittion to being rather near to my house, was led by Roger Schank, a school reform advocate and friend of Jim Hendler.

01:35:03 [chumpster]

commented item C

01:39:11 [sbp]

so, you still gonna be using namespaces sans "#"?

01:39:20 [AaronSw]

Of course!

01:39:41 [AaronSw]

C::"""Schank's PR-image for ILS has been that they are "trying to fix the schools" by building educational software that better fits the natural ways students learn.""" - [Memoirs of an AI hacker|http://www.robotwisdom.com/ai/ilsmemoir.html]

01:39:45 [sbp]

can you state, for the millionth time, why?

01:39:45 [chumpster]

commented item C

01:40:15 [AaronSw]

Because namespaces with "#" aren't Resources, and thus aren't compatible with the rest of the Web.

01:40:32 [sbp]

and why does that matter?

01:42:10 [AaronSw]

Because I like to be compatible? Because RDF isn't the center of the universe? Because it's a bit hypocritical to claim you're describing Resources and not describe them? Because Roy Fielding is a rather strong-looking guy and he could beat me up?

01:42:41 [AaronSw]

How many more do you want?

01:42:49 [sbp]

THe last one was fine enough

01:42:59 [AaronSw]

:-)

01:43:03 [sbp]

Did you see my Plex rant? Oh, of course you did... what did you think?

01:43:35 [AaronSw]

it was interesting, but you seem to have forgotten that the Plex isn't the kind of system that needs its own URI scheme.

01:43:45 [AaronSw]

We just leech off other people's.

01:43:54 [sbp]

how so?

01:44:01 [AaronSw]

The ELS scheme would be good for the Plex to use.

01:44:15 [AaronSw]

Because items in the Plex just use URIs as identifiers... they just store triples...

01:44:24 [sbp]

I thought that it'd have content on nodes, and end up being a bit like Freenet

01:44:37 [AaronSw]

Right, it would, but routing would still be done with RDF.

01:44:44 [AaronSw]

And so the content could have any URI.

01:44:57 [AaronSw]

You could resolve Freenet, HTTP, etc. URIs all thru the same protocol.

01:45:03 [AaronSw]

SHA1 hashes...

01:45:21 [sbp]

so then it comes back down to trust again

01:45:55 [AaronSw]

Right, ELS URIs would be much better from a trust pov

01:46:11 [sbp]

at the moment, it feels like a bin where people can throw absolutely anything. Mess, mess!

01:46:34 [AaronSw]

Why is that a mess?

01:46:38 [AaronSw]

Is the Web a mess?

01:46:42 [sbp]

yes!

01:47:03 [AaronSw]

Nothing wrong with a mess, then.

01:47:09 [AaronSw]

Mess are your friend.

01:47:17 [AaronSw]

We can only generate useful things from chaos.

01:47:26 [AaronSw]

Every other format loses something in some translation.

01:47:43 [sbp]

Well, I was just wondering about protocol concerns. Will there, for example, be things on the Plex that are definitive: e.g. triples for content and hashes

01:48:20 [AaronSw]

I don't follow...

01:48:28 [AaronSw]

Nothing is definitively definitive.

01:48:38 [sbp]

a hash thingy is

01:48:54 [AaronSw]

But a hash contains no data.

01:48:55 [sbp]

"Some really long bit of text" :hash "j3w4t90340t8340t02u0" .

01:49:04 [AaronSw]

That's not definitive, just verifiable.

01:49:35 [sbp]

if a verifiable thing is verified, then it's definitive

01:50:04 [AaronSw]

.wn definitive

01:50:06 [xena]

definitive defined as:

01:50:07 [xena]

- adj 1: clearly defined or formulated; "the plain and unequivocal language of the laws"- R.B.Taney [syn: {unequivocal}]

01:50:08 [xena]

- 2: of recognized authority or excellence; "the definitive work on Greece"; "classical methods of navigation" [syn: {authoritative}, {classical}]

01:50:09 [xena]

- 3: supplying or being a final or conclusive settlement; "a definitive verdict"; "a determinate answer to the problem" [syn: {determinate}]

01:50:31 [sbp]

ah, it's wonderful that 99.9% of the RDF/SW literature available through Google is still utter rubbish

01:51:14 [sbp]

the WN definitions clearly support my case...

01:51:46 [AaronSw]

Whatever.

01:52:07 [AaronSw]

I still don't understand the question.

01:52:16 [AaronSw]

People will insert triples and these triples will have signatures.

01:52:36 [sbp]

* sbp is still grappling with the high-level architecture

01:53:03 [AaronSw]

This is why ELS URIs are so cool -- they're signed, so if you get back a representation that's also signed, then you know the document is good.

01:53:12 [AaronSw]

I should tell Zooko that...

01:53:23 [sbp]

ESL, BTW

01:53:32 [sbp]

yes, you're right

01:53:51 [sbp]

say, "easel"

01:54:19 [AaronSw]

Ah.

01:54:23 [AaronSw]

Cool.

01:54:35 [AaronSw]

I was pretty close, tho.

01:54:40 [sbp]

I dunno, though. It's all soooo tricky; who do we have working on it

01:54:56 [sbp]

you were close enough to let me know what it was that you were talking about, so that's a success

01:55:21 [sbp]

s/it/it?/

01:55:32 [sbp]

s/it/down, over there/

01:56:14 [sbp]

what's up with Zooko.com?

01:56:38 [AaronSw]

Working on what? I don't follow.

01:56:57 [sbp]

Plex

01:56:57 [AaronSw]

Hmm, HavenCo Clubhouse must be down again.

01:57:01 [deltab]

"working on down, over there?"?

01:57:21 [AaronSw]

The Plex is down over there?

01:57:39 [sbp]

heh orry

01:57:45 [sbp]

s/orry/, sorry/

01:57:48 [AaronSw]

Heh.

01:58:15 [AaronSw]

It's me, oierw and anubis3, mostly. deltab also helps out as usual.

01:58:21 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw tries to think of who he left out.

01:58:39 [sbp]

poor deltab

01:58:45 [sbp]

So, what's been done so far?

01:59:32 [AaronSw]

I dunno too much, as I've been messing with this computer, lately (Grrrrr!) so I'm really behind.

01:59:58 [AaronSw]

When I last left, they were finishing up a design for a network and storage system, and I was doing some small-scale tests with IRC.

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02:11:51 [AaronSw]

wb

02:11:52 [AaronSw]

..

02:11:54 [AaronSw]

np

02:12:58 [sbp]

.. == ty

02:13:44 [sbp]

@ http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2001OctDec/0409

02:13:46 [chumpster]

D: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2001OctDec/0409 from sbp

02:14:19 [sbp]

D::"""As you know, I think that developing Web browsers in the medium term without RDF parsers is a mistake [...]"""

02:14:20 [chumpster]

commented item D

02:14:27 [sbp]

D:|Re: Clear and simple writing

02:14:28 [chumpster]

titled item D

02:19:29 [sbp]

ooh, rich-metadata for HTML!

02:20:09 [AaronSw]

C::"even the Macintosh 'File' menu tells a chronological Open-Close-Quit story (by this principle, it ought to be arranged Open-Save-Print-Close-Quit)." - ibid.

02:20:11 [chumpster]

commented item C

02:21:20 [sbp]

it should be possible to come up with an RDF vocabulary for adding decent metadata to XHTML pages, specifically oriented for that task, and then implmenting it using those JavaScript type things that Jim Ley was working on

02:22:01 [sbp]

And apparently, it ports well to both IE and Mozilla

02:22:16 [sbp]

Well, put it on the ToDo list

02:22:53 [AaronSw]

Cool.

02:23:44 [sbp]

It would be a staggeringly cool thing to try to implement, but I'll be fucked if I'm going to be the one to do it

02:24:23 [AaronSw]

Sounds like an added incentive for you to do it. ;-)

02:24:34 [sbp]

lol!

02:25:48 [sbp]

It's too much of a LEAD thing to be of any use

02:26:32 [sbp]

like making a television set in your shed

02:26:58 [AaronSw]

fax machines!

02:27:09 [deltab]

LEAD?

02:27:15 [sbp]

fax machines?

02:27:23 [AaronSw]

Live Early Adoption and Deletion

02:27:27 [AaronSw]

Oops, I mean Development ;)

02:27:36 [deltab]

heh

02:27:50 [AaronSw]

Being the only guy with a TV is sorta useful. Being the only guy with a fax machine really isn't.

02:28:06 [AaronSw]

'cuz you can still do closed circuit TV.

02:28:33 [deltab]

why not closed-circuit fax?

02:28:38 [sbp]

lol

02:28:59 [AaronSw]

(Hey guys, come sit on my lawn and you can watch *my bathroom* on this tiny box.)

02:29:22 [AaronSw]

Because why not photocopy and deliver the documents, deltab?

02:29:32 [sbp]

cool, Aaron's gone nuts. I knew it'd happen one day

02:30:01 [AaronSw]

heh.

02:30:19 [AaronSw]

one day? I thought I was always nuts.

02:30:32 [sbp]

well, "more so", then

02:31:21 [sbp]

a higher plateau of nuttiness

02:31:21 [AaronSw]

I had trouble thinking of an enticement for the neighbors.

02:31:40 [sbp]

stick a hooker on your front lawn

02:32:06 [AaronSw]

Ah, true, that's very Shirkian.

02:32:18 [AaronSw]

Shirky is the one I owe for the fax machine example.

02:33:48 [sbp]

so what apple bags of blossom delight have the fountains given the small inconsistent bees today?

02:34:26 [AaronSw]

* sbp reaches a higher plateau of nuttiness

02:35:53 [sbp]

we all *knew* that Roger had a third nipple called Penelope: I was just the first to state it in such a colorful fashion

02:36:08 [AaronSw]

.google "a third nipple called Penelope"

02:36:09 [xena]

no results found.

02:36:17 [AaronSw]

Hmm, that sounds familiar.

02:36:26 [AaronSw]

.google "first to state it in such a colorful fashion"

02:36:26 [xena]

no results found.

02:36:35 [sbp]

it should sound familiar!

02:36:46 [AaronSw]

Why?

02:36:49 [sbp]

try the first search, +Roger, and without the quotes

02:36:59 [AaronSw]

.google Roger had a third nipple called Penelope

02:37:00 [xena]

Roger had a third nipple called Penelope: http://www.asstr.org/~spunknwagnels/nwmd19.html

02:37:06 [AaronSw]

Oh dear.

02:37:21 [AaronSw]

I had no idea it was this bad.

02:38:17 [sbp]

what was which bad?

02:38:48 [AaronSw]

Your insanity.

02:39:48 [sbp]

ah. If insanity is in a bad state, then that must add up to sanity, surely?

02:40:03 [AaronSw]

heh.

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03:01:42 [AaronSw]

Homer: Ha, ha, ha, he said blink tag.

03:19:01 [sbp]

yo, Aaron, do you remember what happened to the MP3s of DanC playing that the plenary?

03:19:28 [AaronSw]

I didn't realize there were any.

03:19:55 [sbp]

I thought you said that some got recorded, but were either lost or not put online?

03:20:56 [AaronSw]

I think that was TimBL.

03:21:28 [sbp]

TimBL recorded some stuff, or TimBL's stuff got lost (or both)?

03:21:44 [AaronSw]

both.

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04:32:52 [sbp]

Seems that all CWM does now anyway is to parse command line arguments

04:33:00 [sbp]

Llyn seems to do the real work

04:41:05 [sbp]

Gotta run

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14:59:34 [AaronSw]

I'm baaaaaaaaaaaack!

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14:59:43 [AaronSw]

Woohoo.

14:59:46 [Morbus]

this sputnix works well

14:59:54 [AaronSw]

So I used the top secret Apple Disk Copy 6.5d45 software to back up my machine

14:59:55 [AaronSw]

and then I "cloned" it to the other hard drive.

14:59:58 [AaronSw]

And all was restored!

15:00:09 [AaronSw]

But then I realized that since I made a Read-Only image it had made my hard drive read only!

15:00:20 [AaronSw]

So I found a tool on google:

15:00:21 [AaronSw]

.google fwb unlock volume

15:00:22 [xena]

fwb unlock volume: http://www.fwb.com/dc/special/unlock.html

15:00:31 [AaronSw]

which let me unlock it and now I'm back.

15:01:14 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw prepares to download all 1000s of things he missed.

15:01:50 [sbp]

wb

15:02:22 [AaronSw]

thank you

15:02:24 [AaronSw]

thank you

15:02:24 [AaronSw]

thank you

15:02:26 [AaronSw]

:-)

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15:02:44 [sbp]

np :-)

15:03:01 [AaronSw]

You have no idea how good it feels to be back. How long have I been at this?

15:03:11 [sbp]

days

15:03:11 [AaronSw]

logster, grep new hard drive.* came

15:04:27 [logster]

I'm logging. I found 1 answer for 'new hard drive.* came'

15:04:28 [logster]

0) 2001-11-26 15:03:11 <AaronSw> logster, grep new hard drive.* came

15:04:29 [AaronSw]

clearly, but how many

15:04:29 [AaronSw]

they really need to do something about that logster bug...

15:04:29 [sbp]

which bug would that be?

15:04:32 [AaronSw]

Hmm, maybe not...

15:04:48 [AaronSw]

I thought it went and got back all results before returning, not just the first 5

15:04:52 [AaronSw]

but maybe I was wrong.

15:05:20 [sbp]

yeah, it's just slow. IF that was the only one that it found, then it had to go through the entire lot anyway

15:05:28 [AaronSw]

right

15:07:52 [AaronSw]

Aha, it was 2001-11-19 29:07:46.

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15:08:07 [AaronSw]

That's 7 days!

15:08:22 [AaronSw]

Wow.

15:09:46 [AaronSw]

ok, time for school

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15:16:50 [Morbus]

crap.

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snak is gonna quit in 30 minutes.

15:16:57 [Morbus]

buggery

15:17:39 [Morbus]

man, this sputnix is nice and fast.

15:18:26 [Morbus]

AaronSw, are you gonna do anythign with this proxy thing for adam?

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15:26:15 [Morbus]

bah.

15:26:18 [Morbus]

stupid snak.

15:26:28 [Morbus]

hey sbpster.

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15:28:32 [Morbus]

welp, i've determined that snak doesnt' store its date for registration in the pref file, or uses the pref files creation date to look for it.

15:31:35 [sbp]

Hi there Morby, deltab

15:32:10 [Morbus]

hey there

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15:33:16 [Morbus]

lol

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15:41:31 [Morbus]

AaronSw, you around? need to talk about your blogifyYP.

15:41:41 [Morbus]

no, damn, he's at school.

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18:44:36 [Morbus]

hey sbp

18:45:01 [sbp]

Hi there

18:48:55 [AaronSw]

hi

18:49:08 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw will brb

18:49:20 [Morbus]

i'm getting a cat tomorrow. yay1

18:49:23 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw disconnects

18:49:53 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw reconnects

18:50:06 [sbp]

cool. What are you going to call it?

18:50:15 [Morbus]

dunno yet. i'm thinking about "bunny"

18:50:42 [sbp]

won't that be confusing? If you get a rabbit, you'll have to acll it "pussy"

18:51:04 [Morbus]

we were gonna call it kitty.

18:51:14 [Morbus]

we may name it something else.

18:51:17 [Morbus]

my last cat was named goro.

18:51:31 [AaronSw]

a cat?

18:51:41 [AaronSw]

Heh heh.

18:52:22 [sbp]

Goro? Any particular reason?

18:53:54 [Morbus]

yeah. long story.

18:57:57 [sbp]

Gotta run

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19:04:14 [AaronSw]

Morbus, not really.

19:06:51 [AaronSw]

Wow, I'm in 16 IRC channels.

19:09:37 [Morbus]

not really, what?

19:12:27 [Morbus]

'cha doing today?

19:12:54 [AaronSw]

I'm working on a roadmap for the Plex.

19:13:11 [Morbus]

ah. i wanna see when you're done.

19:13:26 [AaronSw]

OK... i'll put it up on the web

19:13:32 [Morbus]

cool.

19:16:38 [Morbus]

did you try the new ag client for the mac? i keep forgetting its name.

19:16:50 [AaronSw]

not yet

19:16:55 [AaronSw]

let me grab it

19:17:32 [Morbus]

bwahah

19:17:38 [Morbus]

i got 41 referers from monkeyfarts.org

19:17:42 [AaronSw]

lol

19:18:28 [AaronSw]

is the latest version of sputnix 0.1b?

19:18:40 [Morbus]

yeah

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19:21:39 [AaronSw]

hi gabe

19:22:20 [GabeW]

hey

19:34:32 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw desperately tries to remember his AudioGalaxy password.

19:34:37 [Morbus]

heh.

19:35:52 [AaronSw]

Ah, luckily the preferences file is something that can pass for plain text in a desperate situation.

19:36:22 [Morbus]

dammit. i got 500 downlaods of amphetadesk yesterday, and i dunno who mentioned it.

19:36:45 [AaronSw]

Yeah, SF needs referer tracking

19:36:53 [AaronSw]

deltab, take note of that for our project :)

19:37:17 [Morbus]

i wonder if its from ask.com. i'm getting a huge amount of refers from them. (900+).

19:37:29 [AaronSw]

Heh: "Should Audiogalaxy change their protocols at any time, this client may break. Do not panic."

19:38:50 [Morbus]

yeah, saw that too.

19:39:00 [Morbus]

the about box contains a link to a reveng of the ag protocl.

19:39:17 [AaronSw]

Hmm, I can't get the about box to appear.

19:39:46 [Morbus]

?. odd.

19:40:50 [AaronSw]

yeah

19:40:57 [AaronSw]

I also get "Status: standing by"

19:44:28 [Morbus]

yeah, thats normal.

19:44:33 [Morbus]

that's what it should be.

19:44:40 [Morbus]

you're logged in, and dandy.

19:46:37 [Morbus]

its faster for me too - when i add a file, it downloads at an avergae of 5/6k on my box

19:46:50 [AaronSw]

cool

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19:52:44 [show_jacky]

hello

19:52:51 [Morbus]

.hey

19:53:26 [show_jacky]

do u program ?

19:54:12 [Morbus]

yup

19:54:15 [Morbus]

most of us do.

19:54:23 [Morbus]

actually, i'm pretty sure all of us do.

19:54:23 [show_jacky]

ok

19:54:37 [show_jacky]

which languages ?

19:55:42 [show_jacky]

i search all documentation about hardware port

19:55:57 [Morbus]

i know very little about hardware.

19:56:21 [show_jacky]

and, the others, who have forgot their keyboard ?

19:56:23 [show_jacky]

;-p

19:56:39 [show_jacky]

Morbus, what do u program ?

19:56:45 [Morbus]

yeah, typically, we stay quiet until you prove yourself.

19:56:52 [Morbus]

its my turn this week to be the lazy door greeter.

19:57:03 [show_jacky]

mmh

19:57:42 [show_jacky]

i suppose i must tell something ?

19:57:50 [show_jacky]

a magic word ?

19:57:51 [show_jacky]

;-p

19:59:14 [Morbus]

just keep talking. if we know something, we'll answer ;)

19:59:42 [show_jacky]

what do i supposed to tell ?

19:59:50 [show_jacky]

0xaa55 ???

20:01:09 [show_jacky]

"keep talking"...

20:01:35 [show_jacky]

i search documentation on programming ide protocol in asm

20:01:56 [show_jacky]

like complete description of registers

20:03:00 [show_jacky]

how can i do a+b in basic ?

20:03:02 [show_jacky]

;-ppp

20:03:44 [show_jacky]

mmhh... show_jacky, u'd better program in c++

20:04:02 [show_jacky]

i'm not agree, show_jacky, i prefer asm

20:04:14 [show_jacky]

sure

20:04:32 [show_jacky]

i hope i'm a great enjoyment. ;-p

20:05:12 [show_jacky]

a little question Morbus

20:05:23 [Morbus]

k.

20:05:43 [show_jacky]

what do u wait exactly ?

20:06:19 [Morbus]

i wait until you say something that warrants a comment from me. if i don't answer, then it means i have nothing to say. most people here are doing other things. we're not on a beck and call schedule.

20:06:54 [show_jacky]

ok

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20:23:18 [AaronSw]

hey sbp

20:23:58 [sbp]

Hi there!

20:32:49 [sbp]

do any of you have business cards? what would you put on one?

20:32:59 [Morbus]

i have one, yeah.

20:33:08 [Morbus]

its "charred". its kinda interesting.

20:33:14 [Morbus]

the only thing on is is "disobey.com"

20:33:21 [Morbus]

and then beneath "worship the computer and continue to live".

20:33:37 [Morbus]

i'll get you a copy. i have it in quark around on my mac at home somewhere.

20:33:58 [AaronSw]

heh, that sounds great

20:34:05 [AaronSw]

after the last con i decided i need a business card

20:34:20 [sbp]

cool

20:34:29 [Morbus]

yeah, the outline of my card is all charred, like it's been pulled from hell <g>

20:34:55 [sbp]

heh, heh

20:35:04 [sbp]

what would you put on yours, Aaron?

20:35:16 [AaronSw]

I dunno...

20:35:29 [AaronSw]

Perhaps I can copy DanC and do: ( Aaron ) --does--> ( Stuff )

20:35:31 [AaronSw]

;)

20:35:32 [sbp]

so why would you need one?

20:35:39 [AaronSw]

Oh.

20:35:44 [AaronSw]

I need one with my website on it.

20:35:53 [sbp]

which one?

20:35:59 [AaronSw]

aaronsw.com

20:36:06 [AaronSw]

I actually designed a decent one a while back...

20:36:53 [AaronSw]

http://groups.google.com/groups?as_umsgid=S8c3.5aca%40clarinet.com&hl=en is quite funny.

20:37:08 [sbp]

sbp has changed the topic to: disobey.com | aaronsw.com | Homer

20:37:17 [AaronSw]

heh heh heh

20:37:38 [sbp]

:-)

20:38:21 [Morbus]

hey AaronSw, ever though of empowering your blogify to support rss:title and crap?

20:38:50 [Morbus]

on a side note, i got the new joho blog to use the rss:item, but yours doesn't parse it. only voidstar's does.

20:40:25 [sbp]

ooh, guess what I just got!

20:40:28 [sbp]

[[[

20:40:28 [sbp]

From: "Vivan Los Musicales" <armusicales@aris.com.ar>

20:40:28 [sbp]

To: "100mil" <armusicales@aris.com.ar>

20:40:28 [sbp]

Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 6:27 PM

20:40:28 [sbp]

Subject: VIDEO: El Fantasma De La Opera

20:40:30 [sbp]

]]]

20:41:04 [AaronSw]

Morbus, rss:title? how so?

20:41:52 [Morbus]

like, have a parent rss:item that you'd still understand.

20:42:06 [Morbus]

but within that rss:item, people could further say rss:title and rss:description and even rss:link

20:43:36 [sbp]

Aaron, your Website's buggered

20:45:36 [AaronSw]

hmm

20:45:48 [sbp]

Hmm... blogspace.com is alright though. Different server?

20:47:02 [AaronSw]

what website are we talking about here?

20:47:15 [sbp]

aaronsw.com

20:47:22 [AaronSw]

yeah, different server

20:47:49 [sbp]

well, it's gone down. Silly thing

20:48:08 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw reboots it

20:50:50 [sbp]

* sbp is disgusted that #swhack isn't listed in the acknowledgements section of disobey.com

20:51:03 [Morbus]

why?

20:51:07 [Morbus]

i haven't updated that section in years.

20:51:07 [AaronSw]

Heh

20:51:29 [sbp]

We deserve to be there! You'd be nothing if it wasn't for #swhack :-)

20:51:38 [Morbus]

heheheh. uuhhhh... huh. :)

20:52:03 [sbp]

heh, I think that's the largest "uh huh" I've ever got out of someone

20:52:25 [Morbus]

see. you should be attributing me!

20:52:38 [Morbus]

jeez, you've got your to rubber, your missing letter game, your largest uh huh.

20:52:46 [Morbus]

what ever would you do with morbus, besides being a productive citizen?

20:52:49 [Morbus]

hMMmmMM?

20:53:26 [AaronSw]

Hmm, dmoz wants me to vote on inclusion of the Adult category on their main page.

20:53:33 [sbp]

that's very true. We owe you an awful lot

20:53:54 [sbp]

vote yes on proposition 583!

20:54:06 [sbp]

.google "proposition 583"

20:54:07 [xena]

no results found.

20:54:11 [AaronSw]

heh

20:54:15 [sbp]

pff

20:54:29 [sbp]

hack the "3" off, then

20:54:31 [sbp]

.google "proposition 58"

20:54:32 [xena]

"proposition 58": http://assessor.co.la.ca.us/html/prop58.htm

20:54:52 [sbp]

Alexa to the rescue...

20:54:57 [sbp]

http://web.archive.org/web/20010609050602/http://assessor.co.la.ca.us/html/prop58.htm

20:54:59 [Morbus]

i say yes.

20:55:08 [AaronSw]

you would ;)

20:55:11 [sbp]

ah: "provide property tax relief by preventing reassessment when real property transfers between parents and children (Proposition 58)"

20:55:17 [Morbus]

no, i'm serious. ignoring the fact that its adult.

20:55:22 [Morbus]

i would vote on the inclusion of any ignored category.

20:55:41 [sbp]

Camwhores for the dmoz front page!

20:55:42 [AaronSw]

Hmm, it crashes omniweb

20:55:59 [sbp]

simple solution: don't use omniweb

20:56:47 [Morbus]

welllll, look who has alllll the answers! :)

20:57:08 [sbp]

who, who?

20:59:05 [AaronSw]

the person who emailed me clearly doesn't want the Adult bit on the front page

21:00:08 [Morbus]

why not?

21:00:29 [sbp]

"we're offering you the chance to vote yes or no! (If you vote yes, you suck)"

21:00:40 [AaronSw]

"""

21:00:41 [AaronSw]

Be aware that past "compromises" have led to continually greater encroachment of the Adult cats on the Main ODP. IMO, if we allow Option #1 or #2 to pass, the next logical step will literally be to merge the Adult tree into the main. Support for that opinion is shown here...

21:00:42 [AaronSw]

"""

21:01:03 [Morbus]

yeah, but sooo?

21:01:18 [Morbus]

objectively, its just a category

21:01:20 [AaronSw]

Heh heh.

21:01:35 [AaronSw]

banning has 53%, allowing has 34%

21:01:40 [Morbus]

i think Society and Culture is the fucking devil, but its on the front page ;)

21:01:50 [AaronSw]

lol

21:02:07 [AaronSw]

They should really use a condorcet voting system here.

21:02:12 [sbp]

"the fucking devil" - good name for a pub

21:02:17 [Morbus]

what's that? what's condorcet?

21:02:21 [AaronSw]

The poll is worded in such a way that banning is far more likely to win.

21:02:24 [sbp]

condorcet?

21:02:41 [AaronSw]

Condorcet is a voting system that's much fairer than just picking who gets the most votes.

21:02:58 [AaronSw]

You order the candidates by preference, and then compare each two options pairwise.

21:03:01 [sbp]

.google Condorcet

21:03:02 [xena]

Condorcet: http://www.eskimo.com/~robla/politics/condorcet.html

21:03:31 [AaronSw]

See, the problem here is that supporters of linking will be split over options 1 and 2.

21:03:43 [AaronSw]

whereas all supporters of banning will pick option 3

21:03:56 [sbp]

Cool idea

21:04:08 [AaronSw]

condorcet solves thir problem by letting you vote for multiple people

21:04:11 [AaronSw]

or choices

21:04:17 [GabeW]

its a secret of pollsters

21:04:42 [AaronSw]

Yeah, I love the Microsoft push polls.

21:04:42 [sbp]

@ http://www.eskimo.com/~robla/svg2swf/

21:04:55 [chumpster]

E: svg2swf from sbp

21:05:16 [sbp]

E::In (drool) [http://www.python.org/|Python]

21:05:21 [chumpster]

commented item E

21:05:33 [sbp]

E::Converts SVG into Flash, apparently. Why? Who knows?

21:05:37 [chumpster]

commented item E

21:05:41 [GabeW]

how about the other way? ;-)

21:05:49 [sbp]

yeah...

21:06:08 [sbp]

perhaps it's reverse engineerable (in the literal sense)

21:06:28 [GabeW]

well, if swf is well-documented...

21:07:22 [sbp]

How do you add pictures to the chump?

21:07:26 [sbp]

something to do with +

21:08:16 [sbp]

[[[

21:08:16 [sbp]

<sbp> help, dude

21:08:16 [sbp]

<chumpster> Not understood: help, dude

21:08:16 [sbp]

<sbp> help

21:08:16 [sbp]

<chumpster> Post a URL by saying it on a line prefixed by '@ '

21:08:17 [sbp]

]]]

21:08:28 [sbp]

s/]]]/[...]\n]]]/

21:09:08 [Morbus]

oh, i love those well worded votes.

21:09:15 [Morbus]

reminds me of the whole rss naming thing.

21:11:10 [sbp]

E::By [http://www.eskimo.com/~robla/|Rob]: +[http://www.eskimo.com/~robla/littleho.gif|Rob's Little House]

21:11:14 [chumpster]

commented item E

21:11:58 [sbp]

heh, could you fix this, please Aaron: http://blogspace.com/swhack/weblog/

21:12:29 [AaronSw]

What is there to fix?

21:12:33 [Morbus]

heh.

21:12:39 [sbp]

picture is flying in the air

21:12:58 [AaronSw]

yeah, you just need to add another line under it...

21:12:59 [AaronSw]

E::How cute!

21:13:04 [chumpster]

commented item E

21:13:08 [AaronSw]

Hmm...

21:13:15 [sbp]

heh, heh, heh

21:13:31 [AaronSw]

i dunno why it's floating.

21:13:59 [sbp]

img { float: right; margin-top: -1em; }

21:14:11 [AaronSw]

that's your fault, isn't it?

21:14:17 [sbp]

yes. Yes it is :-)

21:14:25 [AaronSw]

Just wanted to make sure.

21:14:27 [AaronSw]

L:)

21:14:27 [sbp]

ooh, I like this: <?xml version="1.0" encoding="ISO-8859-1" standalone="yes"?>

21:14:28 [sbp]

<html><head>

21:14:46 [AaronSw]

why do you like that?

21:14:57 [sbp]

because it sucks on an incredible scale

21:15:11 [AaronSw]

why does it do that?

21:15:16 [sbp]

you need a namespace

21:15:29 [sbp]

and try to get it to output as UTF-8

21:15:44 [AaronSw]

whiners, the lot of you

21:15:49 [sbp]

some dumbwad browsers actually render the XML Decl.

21:16:33 [AaronSw]

is http://www.w3.org/1999/html good enough for you?

21:16:40 [sbp]

s/html/xhtml/

21:16:57 [AaronSw]

never satisfied!

21:17:00 [sbp]

heh, heh

21:17:07 [AaronSw]

ok, how is it now?

21:17:13 [sbp]

don't forget an xml:lang attribute

21:18:10 [Morbus]

lol!

21:18:16 [Morbus]

go to camwhore.com (no s) and see where it redirects you to ;')

21:18:23 [AaronSw]

ok, try now, sbp

21:19:08 [sbp]

no, you want: xml:lang="en-swhack"

21:19:27 [sbp]

per http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/dirlang#langcodes

21:19:42 [AaronSw]

Heh heh heh.

21:19:49 [sbp]

:-)

21:20:40 [sbp]

weird stuff, but I like the nose in your smiley

21:25:33 [sbp]

one day, someone's going to go through these logs and think "what a bunch of weirdos"

21:25:58 [AaronSw]

And what do you say to them?

21:26:15 [sbp]

I say, yes. Yes, we are

21:26:28 [sbp]

Welcome to our world :-)

21:26:58 [Morbus]

and yes, you don't belong. :)

21:27:03 [sbp]

actually, the logs are quite boring. Have you ever been though them?

21:27:17 [Morbus]

yeah, all the good naughty stuff happens in the comments.

21:27:30 [Morbus]

like that time me and sbp had an org... well. you know.

21:27:39 [sbp]

the only thing that we discuss on log are how boring the logs are

21:27:45 [sbp]

ssssssh, Morbus!

21:27:59 [Morbus]

oooh, sbp, i like when you hiss at me.

21:28:06 [Morbus]

logster's not logging, right? <g>

21:28:06 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw is on phone with someone who says he reads our chatlogs Aaah!

21:28:13 [sbp]

lol!

21:28:17 [Morbus]

heh.

21:28:21 [Morbus]

who is it?

21:28:21 [AaronSw]

logster, on

21:28:24 [AaronSw]

Robb Beal.

21:28:32 [sbp]

.google "Robb Beal"

21:28:33 [xena]

"Robb Beal": http://wmf.editthispage.com/discuss/msgReader$6092?mode=day

21:29:03 [sbp]

Um... O.K.

21:29:15 [Morbus]

beal.net just goes to a domain hosting generic page.

21:29:32 [sbp]

Why does he read our chatlogs? Wouldn't it be easier to come in here?

21:29:51 [sbp]

Eek... he might be reading this right now!

21:30:20 [AaronSw]

heh.

21:30:45 [Morbus]

we love you oh person we don't know?!

21:31:26 [sbp]

You've got to wonder how come Aaron is chatting to him on the phone...

21:31:45 [Morbus]

he's ratted us out!

21:31:58 [sbp]

aargh, it's the Feds!

21:32:47 [Morbus]

i can't believe they'r eusing innocent little boys now!

21:32:59 [sbp]

well, Aaron

21:33:06 [sbp]

Aaron's hardly innocent

21:33:16 [Morbus]

i think we should kill him.

21:33:19 [Morbus]

let's blow up his house.

21:33:30 [sbp]

5 more would take his place

21:33:38 [Morbus]

they multiply?!

21:33:40 [Morbus]

god dammit!

21:34:19 [sbp]

You can't fight city hall or Aaron Swartz

21:35:54 [sbp]

and if Aaron goes to city hall, then you'd better be scared

21:38:08 [sbp]

ah, aaronsw.com is like, totally up again

21:40:24 [Morbus]

what's the thing for altavista and google to search for sites that have linked to another site?

21:40:28 [Morbus]

i thought it was link=URL

21:40:42 [sbp]

.google link:http://aaronsw.com/

21:40:44 [xena]

link:http://aaronsw.com/: http://blogspace.com/swhack/chatlogs

21:40:51 [Morbus]

oh. colon.

21:40:55 [sbp]

cool

21:43:01 [Morbus]

still trying to find who shot up the amphetadesk downloads.

21:43:02 [sbp]

http://disobey.com/ - 1,430 | http://aaronsw.com/ - 2,040 | http://purl.org/net/sbp/ - 1,150

21:43:12 [Morbus]

what's that from?

21:43:24 [sbp]

Google link results

21:44:40 [Morbus]

"disobey.+.com", 4450, aaronsw: 2030

21:45:04 [sbp]

Pff

21:45:20 [Morbus]

pff?

21:45:40 [sbp]

Nearly. Capital "P" :-)

21:45:44 [Morbus]

heh.

21:48:04 [sbp]

We should create a mock address, and get people to change their BIND settings

21:48:09 [Morbus]

you don't like that search?

21:48:24 [sbp]

not really

21:48:24 [sbp]

:-)

21:48:26 [Morbus]

i was thinking of adding a doubleclick.com zonefile to our server.

21:48:33 [sbp]

http://swhack.sw/

21:48:44 [sbp]

heh, heh

21:48:54 [sbp]

ooh: http://sw.hack/

21:49:57 [GabeW]

morbus - that's a splendid idea

21:50:15 [sbp]

'tis indeed

21:50:23 [Morbus]

:)

21:50:33 [GabeW]

for that matter, add a google.com one and run a transparent proxy to collect the google hashes as they are sent to google ;-)

21:50:41 [Morbus]

heheheh...

21:50:46 [Morbus]

that's a good idea too :)

21:51:31 [GabeW]

actually, you don't neccesarily need to fuck with DNS if you can fuck with routers at the edge ;-)

21:51:41 [sbp]

http://archives.neohapsis.com/archives/nfr-wizards/1999-q3/0448.html

21:52:22 [sbp]

Gotta run

21:55:05 [sbp]

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22:25:35 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw is off the phone

22:25:37 [AaronSw]

I'

22:25:44 [AaronSw]

I've added a lot of adblocking to the ArchiverProxy.

22:31:08 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw doesn't respond to an email labebled "RESPONSE REQUIRED"

22:31:16 [AaronSw]

It turns out it wasn't actually required.

22:32:03 [AaronSw]

Oh man, this is sick.

22:32:08 [AaronSw]

I'm getting Hamster Dance SPAM!

22:59:23 [sbp]

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23:03:23 [sbp]

Hamster Dance SPAM?

23:11:34 [GabeW]

http://www.hamsterdance.com/original.html ?

23:15:01 [sbp]

Hmm... could b

23:15:16 [sbp]

s/b/be/

23:15:27 [Morbus]

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23:15:50 [sbp]

dare I say hello?

23:16:25 [AaronSw]

hi

23:16:28 [Morbus]

if you must.

23:16:38 [AaronSw]

Yeah, Hamster Dance Spam.

23:16:39 [sbp]

Hello

23:16:41 [AaronSw]

it was pretty scary.

23:16:46 [Morbus]

hey there

23:16:56 [Morbus]

* Morbus is currently listening to 'Meet Me in Heaven' on Johnny Cash's album 'Unchained'.

23:16:58 [Morbus]

!itunes

23:16:59 [Morbus]

have you seen the hitler dance?

23:19:15 [Morbus]

http://homepage.mac.com/rgriff/osxguide2.html

23:19:20 [Morbus]

dunno if its good. dling it now.

23:21:35 [Morbus]

oh yah, you can't run v.X in classic. just complains at you.

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23:22:25 [sbp]

Hmm... the word "miscellaneous" is quite sexy, really

23:24:16 [Morbus]

yeah, AaronSw, this pdf is good.

23:24:19 [Morbus]

* Morbus is currently listening to 'Once Again (Twister Mix)' on AK1200's album 'Lock & Roll'.

23:24:19 [Morbus]

!itunes

23:24:29 [AaronSw]

PDF?

23:24:40 [sbp]

!itunes

23:24:41 [Morbus]

* Morbus is currently listening to 'Once Again (Twister Mix)' on AK1200's album 'Lock & Roll'.

23:24:43 [Morbus]

about a dozen messages up.

23:24:52 [sbp]

cool, I can do it too

23:24:55 [Morbus]

!aaron sucks

23:24:59 [Morbus]

!aaronsucks

23:25:00 [Morbus]

huh.

23:25:11 [sbp]

heh, heh

23:25:34 [sbp]

ooh, a message from Thomas B. Passin talking about RDDL as if I didn't know about it, once again

23:25:57 [AaronSw]

wb tansaku

23:26:05 [AaronSw]

perhaps you can introduce the gang to bob2?

23:26:08 [sbp]

I'm getting a bit tired of people saying, "have you heard about RDDL?". I was there when XML-Dev invented it!

23:26:13 [AaronSw]

lol

23:26:20 [sbp]

gang?

23:26:29 [AaronSw]

Yeah, you were credited with inventing it, weren't you?

23:26:45 [Morbus]

AaronSw, are you doing anythign with this proxy thing for adam engst? or should i shove it in my shit to work on folder?

23:26:49 [sbp]

Yep. I'm in the history bit somewhere :-)

23:27:04 [AaronSw]

Morbus, I don't really plan to do much with it, no.

23:27:08 [AaronSw]

Yeah, here he is: http://www.openhealth.org/RDDL/contrib.htm

23:27:09 [Morbus]

now we just need a competing standard called ENGMA

23:27:14 [Morbus]

ok.

23:27:27 [AaronSw]

lol @ ENGMA

23:27:32 [sbp]

ah, well there you go

23:27:44 [Morbus]

:)

23:45:38 [Morbus]

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23:46:31 [sbp]

lol

23:48:58 [GabeW]

how do you know adame engst?

23:49:38 [sbp]

* sbp considers using </> in XHTML where HTML 4.01 allowed OMITTAG

23:49:46 [sbp]

who?

23:49:49 [Morbus]

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23:50:07 [GabeW]

Morbus and AaronSw were talking about adam engst

23:50:15 [sbp]

ah

23:50:33 [Morbus]

oh hey. this stupid manual tells you how to turn on the crash reporter.

23:50:35 [GabeW]

and use the </> - xhtml is just so much n33t3r

23:51:00 [Morbus]

i prefer < />

23:51:08 [AaronSw]

Morbus, I thought you registered ;)

23:51:27 [Morbus]

heh... my stupid comp, on rebooot, resets my date to 1969 :)

23:51:30 [GabeW]

I find it xhtml nice because xml editors become xhtml editors ..

23:51:32 [Morbus]

and i forgot, and snak complained.

23:52:29 [sbp]

Hmm... "Thus, while SHORTTAG constructs of SGML related to attributes are widely used and implemented, those related to elements are not. Documents that use them are conforming SGML documents, but are unlikely to work with many existing HTML tools." - http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/appendix/notes#h-B.3.7

23:53:52 [sbp]

I wonder how many really screw up?

23:54:47 [AaronSw]

feel free to take a look at: http://plexdev.org/roadmap

23:54:50 [AaronSw]

and send feedback

23:55:02 [sbp]

Heh: even NS4.7 displays it correctly. It can't be all that bad

23:55:10 [sbp]

* sbp feels free

23:56:04 [sbp]

Lots of "we" and "I"

23:56:22 [AaronSw]

is there a problem with that?

23:56:43 [AaronSw]

what'd people here think webizingPython, btw? should I send it to timbl? python-dev?

23:57:01 [sbp]

network-based inferencing by WWW2002? Should be easy enough

23:57:08 [sbp]

yeah, send away

23:57:11 [GabeW]

webizing python?

23:57:13 [sbp]

send your guts out :-)

23:57:29 [AaronSw]

GabeW, http://logicerror.com/webizingPython

23:57:44 [AaronSw]

sbp, glad you think so. *now get to work!* :)

23:58:02 [GabeW]

* GabeW is going onto a con call for a while.. I'll read while yakking

23:58:24 [sbp]

:-)

23:58:37 [Morbus]

email, email, email.

23:58:37 [Morbus]

sheesh.

23:58:43 [Morbus]

i'm getting a kitty tomorrow. wanna see it?

23:59:11 [sbp]

ooh, yes please

23:59:14 [AaronSw]

yeah, bring it over.

23:59:49 [GabeW]

splain to me, AaronSw how this is different from Zope/bobo?