00:08:14 Ewww, Microsoft is doing stupid PR charity donations to conver up the antitrust case 00:08:24 source? 00:08:35 the radio 00:08:40 this is their settlement?! 00:08:54 @ http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20011120/tc/tech_microsoft_dc_11.html 00:09:00 A: Microsoft Reaches Private Settlement from AaronSw 00:09:12 wow, Microsoft Reaches Private Settlement from AaronSw? 00:09:23 Heh. 00:09:40 you might want chumpster to add quote marks :-) 00:10:29 Pfff... US $1bn 00:11:32 A::What an awful settlement agreement! They Microsoft off, increase their monopoly, and give Microsoft a big PR boost. 00:11:33 commented item A 00:11:59 the problem is, it's not really about the money: it's about the state of the software market after years of monopoly 00:12:00 A::At least we still have the states... 00:12:01 commented item A 00:12:10 sbp, yep 00:12:21 A::"With the private settlement, Microsoft can now portray the remaining states in the government case as isolated hold-outs, one source said." 00:12:22 commented item A 00:12:39 It's like fining a millionaire £10 for parking on double-yellow... 00:12:49 or $10, depending 00:12:55 It's not like any of this punishes Microsoft for all the harm they've done. 00:13:06 It's just really, really, awful. 00:14:25 Gotta run 00:14:26 sbp has quit ("Homer: 20 dollars? I wanted a peanut!") 00:23:16 sbp (~sean@AC9E6C79.ipt.aol.com) has joined #swhack 00:23:23 wb 00:23:48 ty 00:23:59 Tell our audience members where they should send cash donations to the "Keep sbp's connection alive" fund. 00:24:22 heh, heh :-) 00:24:42 I could set up an Amazon micropayments thing! 00:25:05 Ooh! 00:27:48 when I rant at you for an hour on IRC, I am entitled to $10 00:27:57 I think that's only fair :-) 00:28:19 :-) 00:29:45 do you have a U.S. credit card that I can use, Aaron? http://auctions.amazon.com/exec/varzea/subst/fx/help/payee-faq.html/ref=zm_hp_hs_10/103-1665747-8113407#why-us-cc 00:30:04 Aw, you need a credit card 00:30:07 I guess so... 00:30:24 Maybe you should stick w/ paypal 00:30:31 More specifically, I need a *U.S.* credit card! :-) 00:30:34 paypal? 00:30:47 * sbp loves Amazon's URIs. Uncool? 00:30:48 paypal.com 00:30:52 very 00:31:09 Paypal -- send money by email, get $5 for signing up 00:31:21 hey, not bad 00:31:46 oh, and Esquire called it the best solution. Well, there ya go 00:33:12 another uncool URI: https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=p/gen/uses-outside 00:35:51 * AaronSw submits a proposal to talk about the Plex at the next O'Reilly con 00:37:56 go, girl! 00:38:11 er... boy. Sorry, got carried away there 00:38:23 Heh 00:38:27 Speak to the hand, 'cause the fact ain't listening 00:38:27 fact? 00:38:31 gotta go, dinner -- be back in a bit 00:39:01 dear oh dear 00:41:17 c'ya 00:43:36 * AaronSw wonders who else will be part of his tail 00:43:37 err talk 00:44:07 you're having a tail graft... oh 00:44:25 deltab, tav... 00:44:37 deltab, you wanna come? 00:45:11 * AaronSw wonders what his "Assistant's Name" is... 00:45:31 AaronSw: xena 00:45:37 heh! 00:45:37 xena is coming?! 00:45:42 Awesome! 00:45:48 just be sure to finish the body by then... 00:45:54 ok, really gotta go to dinner now 00:45:54 Just put down your Dad or something 00:45:54 or your brother 00:47:04 deltab: when do you think you'll get the body done? projected date? 00:47:15 huh? 00:47:47 just be sure to finish the body by then... 00:48:48 I know it's a bit of an engineering problem, and may constitute the single greatest engineering feat so far, but it'll kick ass 00:49:03 perhaps literally 00:49:08 .kickass 00:50:37 where is xena, anyway? 00:52:36 שםש SignOff xena: #xenadev (Quit: local keyboard interrupt) 00:52:42 six hours ago 00:53:23 ugh, that's not healthy 00:54:18 Pfff, I almost miss her 00:56:01 ooh: a same length line 00:57:06 Well, I really need a bit more space to work with than that 00:57:42 heh. 00:57:51 * AaronSw returns w/ food in his mouth 00:58:13 * AaronSw wonders if this backup will ever finish... 00:58:21 don't speak with your mouth full! 00:58:24 It hasn't even started up again. 00:58:51 * AaronSw can type with his mouth full 00:58:52 infinite backup? 00:59:09 that'll get your back up 00:59:13 Heh. 00:59:20 We're on 417,000 files 00:59:26 I think I'm funny, but I'm not 00:59:26 do something called "Deleting" 00:59:30 which doesn't sound good 00:59:49 no, that doesn't... 01:02:41 oh, Aaron, your prize... 01:02:55 you get to have the next hour of me ranting, for free! Cash value, $10. Non transferrable 01:03:15 Wow! 01:03:34 Oh, wait, you said prize, not "torture". 01:04:10 ;-) 01:04:15 heh, heh, heh 01:11:42 lol! 01:11:53 "So boring that I can feel non-essential portions of my brain shutting down" - http://aaronsw.com/school/ 01:12:16 fuck, Aaron, you're an inspiration 01:12:24 Heh. 01:40:14 @ http://www.ihelpyouservices.com/forums/printthread.php?threadid=600 01:40:21 B: http://www.ihelpyouservices.com/forums/printthread.php?threadid=600 from AaronSw 01:40:52 B:|Mad Google Tips! 01:40:53 titled item B 01:43:13 Morbus (~Morbus@s91.terminal3.totalnetnh.net) has joined #swhack 01:48:02 sbp! how ya doing? 01:48:40 I'm doing weird, thanks 01:48:41 wou? 01:48:47 s/wou/you/ 01:48:55 alright i suppose. 01:49:56 do you know what itruck is, aaron? 01:50:01 nop[e 01:50:14 neither do i. only 3 megs. lets fine out ;) 01:50:24 ooh. 600k rather. 02:03:00 Heh: It might look like I'm doing nothing, but at the cellular level I'm really quite busy. 02:04:27 Morbus has quit (Ping timeout: 181 seconds) 02:18:04 * sbp plays "Louie Louie" 02:20:54 xena? here, girl! 02:21:16 she's coughing up stuff -- just a sec 02:21:31 heh! what kinda stuff? 02:22:00 xena: - \xe4\xe4\xd1$\x8d\xa6-_\xe2#\x0e\xd1\x875\xa8' 02:22:14 she doesn't even recognize me anymore! 02:22:52 bbiab 02:22:56 3in tall men, a candle base, some pot pourri, a large water basin, a dog's pimple, the color blue, the old man in the mountains 02:23:31 oh? 02:23:52 er... that was my prediction of the sort of stuff that xena was coughing up 02:24:01 ah 02:26:20 I was quite close, it seems 02:28:13 heh 02:28:13 brb -- rebooting 02:28:18 O.K. 02:28:40 * AaronSw disconnects 02:32:01 * AaronSw reconnects 02:36:17 hmm, this is odd 02:37:35 xena (killarny@mewtwo.espnow.com) has joined #swhack 02:44:05 aaaargh! looks like the backup really was deleting everything 02:44:11 * AaronSw retries over a 4x faster connection 02:54:21 Heh heh, googling for "hack" and anything brings up Wes' page. 02:54:23 .google hack aaron 02:54:24 hack aaron: http://wmf.editthispage.com/discuss/msgReader$6243?mode=day 02:54:33 wmf: these are not the hacks you're looking for, dammit! 02:54:44 .google hack anything 02:54:45 hack anything: http://www.hackcanada.com 02:55:16 should I take a bow at this point, or what? 02:56:05 :-) 03:08:52 rillian (~giles@00-30-65-2e-ae-5f.bconnected.net) has joined #swhack 03:09:16 rillian, ever used firewire target disk mode? 03:10:01 nope 03:10:12 oh well 03:10:12 scsi disk mode on my duo worked great, though 03:10:28 * AaronSw is having a Very Bad Day 03:10:37 what is it, you plug in the cable and boot while holding down 't'? 03:10:44 AaronSw: sorry to hear it 03:10:44 yep 03:12:27 rillian has quit (Client Quit) 03:12:38 oierw` has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03:12:40 rillianbis (~giles@00-30-65-2e-ae-5f.bconnected.net) has joined #swhack 03:12:44 connection still sucks 03:12:49 rillianbis is now known as rillian 03:12:57 join the club 03:13:17 oierw` (mathew@nic-163-c165-245.mn.mediaone.net) has joined #swhack 03:13:17 although I've been on for nearly 3 hours now! 03:14:08 AaronSw: if it's any consolation, there's still no end in site to the paperwork I'm collecting for my immigration application 03:14:17 Ouch. Where are you located? 03:14:31 Seattle, wanting to move to Vancouver 03:14:53 Hmm. You'd think the difficulties would go the other way. 03:15:04 Well, it is more difficult 03:15:11 the other way 03:15:27 But I kept procrastinating (like for two years) 03:15:37 let me get this straight... you're in the land of Frasier, and you want to move? 03:15:38 so I broke down and hired a consultant to help drive the process 03:16:05 and the first thing she said is, "Oh, we need a lot more documentation than this" 03:16:42 Morbus (~Morbus@s99.terminal3.totalnetnh.net) has joined #swhack 03:16:44 Now, part of the idea is if you overwhelm them with supporting foo, they're less likely to dither, make to do the interview, or otherwise approve you later rather than sooner 03:16:58 but it's going on three months now that we've been getting 'a few more things' 03:17:02 Ooh, it's booting, and it looks like I didn't lose any data. 03:17:05 This is good. 03:17:07 ooh! 03:17:21 * rillian cheers, hoping the day is improving 03:18:18 sbp: pretty much, aye. temperment, people, loved ones, the best rollerblading path in north america... 03:19:22 heh, sounds good! Well, I hope that you manage to cut through the red tape... 03:19:35 it's stupid, because it's not all that far away, is it? 03:19:40 Still won't mount. yuck 03:19:43 me too. 03:20:06 I'm able to come up and visit regularly. It's a 3 hour drive, and my work is flexible 03:20:09 * sbp wonders if there are any towns that straddle a border 03:20:15 but it's not the same as living there 03:20:19 sbp: lots of them 03:20:37 I wonder if you'd have to go through a similar process? 03:20:51 hmm? 03:21:09 I mean, if you wanted to move to the other side of town, or something like that 03:22:08 Morbus, ever used firewire target disk mode? 03:22:23 sbp: yeah. They often have different names, and of course no streets connect 03:22:28 nope. i have no firewire devices. tons of old centronics scsi though ;) 03:22:34 Not sure what they do about people walking across the park :) 03:23:54 When we drove up to Canada, the border checking was pretty lax: "Do you have any guns or booze?" "No." "OK, go on thru." 03:24:04 Homer: Hold it, what's your clearance? 03:24:07 Lisa: We just want to get a snack 03:24:07 Homer: Access denied! 03:24:09 ah, the bodyguard episode... 03:24:20 heh! 03:24:27 i'm in the mood for love. 03:24:32 simply because you're near me. 03:24:56 its a song. 03:24:58 buzzing through my head. 03:25:01 must get out. 03:25:10 its "annoying-ass-song-tag". 03:25:15 yeah, I know the song 03:25:53 I've been singing "Train Kept-A-Rollin'" most of the day 03:25:57 * Morbus is currently listening to 'Electronic Behavior Control System' on EBN's album 'Telecommunication Breakdown'. 03:25:57 !itunes 03:26:04 thankfully, it's a good song, so I didn't care too much :-) 03:34:25 rillian, would it be possible that you could help a friend compile his p2p app on Mac OS X? 03:34:40 he's got some library problems and he's looking for a Mac OS X hacker to help 03:34:46 the app is mojo nation 03:35:25 I could give it a try. tarball? 03:35:45 mojonation.net/downloads/ 03:35:54 thanks so much 03:40:20 sbp has quit ("Homer: 20 dollars? 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Apparently one of the rotation servers was hubbed to the one we restarted. 10:21:32 [GlobalNotice] Hiya, one little rehub now and then thats it for the evening. Sorry. 10:27:12 rillian has quit ("night, everyone") 11:01:26 AaronSw has quit (sagan.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 11:01:26 BenSw has quit (sagan.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 11:01:26 deltab has quit (sagan.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 11:14:39 BenSw (~yoda@c930384-a.hlndpk1.il.home.com) has joined #swhack 13:01:34 deltab (deltab@mewtwo.espnow.com) has joined #swhack 15:24:28 Morbus (~Morbus@morbus.totalnetnh.net) has joined #swhack 15:24:55 gasp, aaron's not even here? that's super odd. 15:25:01 logster, grep AaronSw 15:25:46 I'm logging. I found 16882 answers for 'AaronSw' (showing 0...4) 15:25:47 0) 2001-11-21 15:25:01 logster, grep AaronSw 15:25:48 1) 2001-11-21 11:01:26 AaronSw has quit (sagan.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 15:25:49 2) 2001-11-21 09:01:59 AaronSw (aaronsw@mewtwo.espnow.com) has joined #swhack 15:25:50 3) 2001-11-21 09:01:28 AaronSw has quit (sagan.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 15:25:51 4) 2001-11-21 06:25:36 AaronSw (aaronsw@mewtwo.espnow.com) has joined #swhack 15:37:49 sbp (~sean@p17s11a06.client.global.net.uk) has joined #swhack 15:47:34 hey sbp 15:47:55 Hi there, Morbus 16:15:24 sbp has quit ("Homer: 20 dollars? I wanted a peanut!") 16:15:40 Morbus has left #swhack 17:36:22 sbp (~sean@p5Ds10a06.client.global.net.uk) has joined #swhack 17:36:54 Right, that's it: I have to vent this somewhere 17:37:13 I don't like Java. In fact, I really don't like Java. I can quite easily tell why Bijan declared that he'd rather drive thumbtacks into his gums than program in Java 17:37:52 it's no good. It's certainly not what was meant by OOP. Speed tests show that Python is better in many areas, and Java's syntax is a crime against humanity 17:38:38 I mean, come on! To do *nothing* in Java, you have to write about 5 lines of code. What's that all about? 17:39:29 I resent being forced to learn it, and I pity others that have had to go near the stupid thing 17:40:10 now, where's that Haiku that I wrote... 17:41:33 aha: Java's utter crap / Plain for everyone to see / Python sure kicks-ass 17:42:20 "Code 5-10 times more concise; Dynamic typing; 17:42:20 Much quicker development: no compilation phase; less typing. 17:42:22 " 17:42:30 http://www.python.org/doc/essays/ppt/acm-ws/tsld024.htm 17:43:54 "Python programs are typically 3-5 times shorter than equivalent Java programs. This difference can be attributed to Python's built-in high-level data types and its dynamic typing. For example, a Python programmer wastes no time declaring the types of arguments or variables, and Python's powerful polymorphic list and dictionary types, for which rich syntactic support is built straight into the language, find a use in almost every Python program." 17:44:29 - http://trident.mcs.kent.edu/~arvind/graduate-reports/jzhu.html 17:48:40 s/thumbtacks/carpet tacks/ 17:50:44 sbp has quit ("Homer: 20 dollars? I wanted a peanut!") 18:56:09 AaronSw (aaronsw@mewtwo.espnow.com) has joined #swhack 18:56:45 Hmmph 18:57:03 They say that backing up is hard to do 18:57:05 But now I know, I know that's it's true 18:57:06 Don't say it broke down again! 18:57:09 Please finish backing up so I can get on with my life again... 19:01:26 --- 19:09:05 kmacleod (~ken@kmacleod.static.iaxs.net) has joined #swhack 19:09:24 kmacleod has left #swhack 19:16:32 AaronSw has changed the topic to: Happy Thanksgiving. Who wants to be a millionaire? (in yen) 19:16:35 @ http://www-tech.mit.edu/V121/N59/59stallman.59n.html 19:16:38 C: Stallman to Receive $830K from AaronSw 19:17:07 C:|Stallman, Linus and Ken Sakamura to Receive $830K (1M yen) 19:17:09 titled item C 19:44:21 Morbus (~Morbus@morbus.totalnetnh.net) has joined #swhack 19:44:47 AaronSw! 19:44:50 i missed ya. 19:45:58 Morbus! 19:46:01 how are ya? 19:46:38 doing well. 19:46:44 wanting to go home, but doing well ;) 19:46:46 that's good 19:46:48 heh 19:46:54 derrick still hasn't responded to me. 19:47:00 i think he hates me. and the article. 19:47:09 Heh! 19:47:16 they probably have a big old placard that says "derrick made his one mistake this year and it was talking to this morbus fellow". 19:47:20 and they're all prancing around. 19:47:28 buying commissioned "toilet paper de morbus". 19:47:32 i know it. i feel it. 19:48:32 http://www.intellectbooks.com/iconic/iconic.htm 19:49:03 gotta run, haircut time 19:49:06 my boss keeps telling me that its cos... 19:49:08 dammit. 19:49:12 hurry back 19:49:15 ok 20:04:52 rillian (~giles@00-30-65-2e-ae-5f.bconnected.net) has joined #swhack 20:39:20 lo 20:41:11 'owdy 20:41:17 is today a better day? 20:41:22 Yep, seems so. 20:41:29 Thanks for asking. 20:41:37 Still haven't finished backing up yet, tho :-( 20:42:01 http://www.cs.unm.edu/~dlchao/flake/whee/index.html 20:42:22 lol 20:43:34 you should chump that 20:45:07 @ http://www.cs.unm.edu/~dlchao/flake/whee/index.html 20:45:11 D: http://www.cs.unm.edu/~dlchao/flake/whee/index.html from rillian 20:45:21 D:|The Distribution of Variable-length Phatic Interjectives on the World Wide Web 20:45:22 titled item D 20:45:51 @ http://www.cs.unm.edu/~dlchao/flake/argh/index.html 20:45:53 E: http://www.cs.unm.edu/~dlchao/flake/argh/index.html from rillian 20:46:04 E: is also a fun paper 20:46:25 E:|Dissecting the argh-scape: An exercise in 4 dimensions 20:46:29 titled item E 20:46:33 this is great 20:47:03