IRC log of swhack on 2001-11-21

Timestamps are in UTC.

00:08:14 [AaronSw]
Ewww, Microsoft is doing stupid PR charity donations to conver up the antitrust case
00:08:24 [sbp]
source?
00:08:35 [AaronSw]
the radio
00:08:40 [AaronSw]
this is their settlement?!
00:08:54 [AaronSw]
@ http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20011120/tc/tech_microsoft_dc_11.html
00:09:00 [chumpster]
A: Microsoft Reaches Private Settlement from AaronSw
00:09:12 [sbp]
wow, Microsoft Reaches Private Settlement from AaronSw?
00:09:23 [AaronSw]
Heh.
00:09:40 [sbp]
you might want chumpster to add quote marks :-)
00:10:29 [sbp]
Pfff... US $1bn
00:11:32 [AaronSw]
A::What an awful settlement agreement! They Microsoft off, increase their monopoly, and give Microsoft a big PR boost.
00:11:33 [chumpster]
commented item A
00:11:59 [sbp]
the problem is, it's not really about the money: it's about the state of the software market after years of monopoly
00:12:00 [AaronSw]
A::At least we still have the states...
00:12:01 [chumpster]
commented item A
00:12:10 [AaronSw]
sbp, yep
00:12:21 [AaronSw]
A::"With the private settlement, Microsoft can now portray the remaining states in the government case as isolated hold-outs, one source said."
00:12:22 [chumpster]
commented item A
00:12:39 [sbp]
It's like fining a millionaire £10 for parking on double-yellow...
00:12:49 [sbp]
or $10, depending
00:12:55 [AaronSw]
It's not like any of this punishes Microsoft for all the harm they've done.
00:13:06 [AaronSw]
It's just really, really, awful.
00:14:25 [sbp]
Gotta run
00:14:26 [sbp]
sbp has quit ("Homer: 20 dollars? I wanted a peanut!")
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00:23:23 [AaronSw]
wb
00:23:48 [sbp]
ty
00:23:59 [AaronSw]
Tell our audience members where they should send cash donations to the "Keep sbp's connection alive" fund.
00:24:22 [sbp]
heh, heh :-)
00:24:42 [sbp]
I could set up an Amazon micropayments thing!
00:25:05 [AaronSw]
Ooh!
00:27:48 [sbp]
when I rant at you for an hour on IRC, I am entitled to $10
00:27:57 [sbp]
I think that's only fair :-)
00:28:19 [AaronSw]
:-)
00:29:45 [sbp]
do you have a U.S. credit card that I can use, Aaron? http://auctions.amazon.com/exec/varzea/subst/fx/help/payee-faq.html/ref=zm_hp_hs_10/103-1665747-8113407#why-us-cc
00:30:04 [AaronSw]
Aw, you need a credit card
00:30:07 [AaronSw]
I guess so...
00:30:24 [AaronSw]
Maybe you should stick w/ paypal
00:30:31 [sbp]
More specifically, I need a *U.S.* credit card! :-)
00:30:34 [sbp]
paypal?
00:30:47 [sbp]
* sbp loves Amazon's URIs. Uncool?
00:30:48 [AaronSw]
paypal.com
00:30:52 [AaronSw]
very
00:31:09 [AaronSw]
Paypal -- send money by email, get $5 for signing up
00:31:21 [sbp]
hey, not bad
00:31:46 [sbp]
oh, and Esquire called it the best solution. Well, there ya go
00:33:12 [sbp]
another uncool URI: https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=p/gen/uses-outside
00:35:51 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw submits a proposal to talk about the Plex at the next O'Reilly con
00:37:56 [sbp]
go, girl!
00:38:11 [sbp]
er... boy. Sorry, got carried away there
00:38:23 [AaronSw]
Heh
00:38:27 [sbp]
Speak to the hand, 'cause the fact ain't listening
00:38:27 [sbp]
fact?
00:38:31 [AaronSw]
gotta go, dinner -- be back in a bit
00:39:01 [sbp]
dear oh dear
00:41:17 [sbp]
c'ya
00:43:36 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw wonders who else will be part of his tail
00:43:37 [AaronSw]
err talk
00:44:07 [sbp]
you're having a tail graft... oh
00:44:25 [sbp]
deltab, tav...
00:44:37 [AaronSw]
deltab, you wanna come?
00:45:11 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw wonders what his "Assistant's Name" is...
00:45:31 [deltab]
AaronSw: xena
00:45:37 [sbp]
heh!
00:45:37 [AaronSw]
xena is coming?!
00:45:42 [AaronSw]
Awesome!
00:45:48 [AaronSw]
just be sure to finish the body by then...
00:45:54 [AaronSw]
ok, really gotta go to dinner now
00:45:54 [sbp]
Just put down your Dad or something
00:45:54 [sbp]
or your brother
00:47:04 [sbp]
deltab: when do you think you'll get the body done? projected date?
00:47:15 [deltab]
huh?
00:47:47 [sbp]
<AaronSw> just be sure to finish the body by then...
00:48:48 [sbp]
I know it's a bit of an engineering problem, and may constitute the single greatest engineering feat so far, but it'll kick ass
00:49:03 [sbp]
perhaps literally
00:49:08 [sbp]
.kickass
00:50:37 [sbp]
where is xena, anyway?
00:52:36 [deltab]
ùíù SignOff xena: #xenadev (Quit: local keyboard interrupt)
00:52:42 [deltab]
six hours ago
00:53:23 [sbp]
ugh, that's not healthy
00:54:18 [sbp]
Pfff, I almost miss her
00:56:01 [sbp]
ooh: a same length line
00:57:06 [sbp]
Well, I really need a bit more space to work with than that
00:57:42 [AaronSw]
heh.
00:57:51 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw returns w/ food in his mouth
00:58:13 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw wonders if this backup will ever finish...
00:58:21 [sbp]
don't speak with your mouth full!
00:58:24 [AaronSw]
It hasn't even started up again.
00:58:51 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw can type with his mouth full
00:58:52 [sbp]
infinite backup?
00:59:09 [sbp]
that'll get your back up
00:59:13 [AaronSw]
Heh.
00:59:20 [AaronSw]
We're on 417,000 files
00:59:26 [sbp]
I think I'm funny, but I'm not
00:59:26 [AaronSw]
do something called "Deleting"
00:59:30 [AaronSw]
which doesn't sound good
00:59:49 [sbp]
no, that doesn't...
01:02:41 [sbp]
oh, Aaron, your prize...
01:02:55 [sbp]
you get to have the next hour of me ranting, for free! Cash value, $10. Non transferrable
01:03:15 [AaronSw]
Wow!
01:03:34 [AaronSw]
Oh, wait, you said prize, not "torture".
01:04:10 [AaronSw]
;-)
01:04:15 [sbp]
heh, heh, heh
01:11:42 [sbp]
lol!
01:11:53 [sbp]
"So boring that I can feel non-essential portions of my brain shutting down" - http://aaronsw.com/school/
01:12:16 [sbp]
fuck, Aaron, you're an inspiration
01:12:24 [AaronSw]
Heh.
01:40:14 [AaronSw]
@ http://www.ihelpyouservices.com/forums/printthread.php?threadid=600
01:40:21 [chumpster]
B: http://www.ihelpyouservices.com/forums/printthread.php?threadid=600 from AaronSw
01:40:52 [AaronSw]
B:|Mad Google Tips!
01:40:53 [chumpster]
titled item B
01:43:13 [Morbus]
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01:48:02 [Morbus]
sbp! how ya doing?
01:48:40 [sbp]
I'm doing weird, thanks
01:48:41 [sbp]
wou?
01:48:47 [sbp]
s/wou/you/
01:48:55 [Morbus]
alright i suppose.
01:49:56 [Morbus]
do you know what itruck is, aaron?
01:50:01 [AaronSw]
nop[e
01:50:14 [Morbus]
neither do i. only 3 megs. lets fine out ;)
01:50:24 [Morbus]
ooh. 600k rather.
02:03:00 [AaronSw]
Heh: It might look like I'm doing nothing, but at the cellular level I'm really quite busy.
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02:18:04 [sbp]
* sbp plays "Louie Louie"
02:20:54 [sbp]
xena? here, girl!
02:21:16 [AaronSw]
she's coughing up stuff -- just a sec
02:21:31 [sbp]
heh! what kinda stuff?
02:22:00 [AaronSw]
xena: - \xe4\xe4\xd1$\x8d\xa6-_\xe2#\x0e\xd1\x875\xa8'
02:22:14 [AaronSw]
she doesn't even recognize me anymore! <sob/>
02:22:52 [AaronSw]
bbiab
02:22:56 [sbp]
3in tall men, a candle base, some pot pourri, a large water basin, a dog's pimple, the color blue, the old man in the mountains
02:23:31 [AaronSw]
oh?
02:23:52 [sbp]
er... that was my prediction of the sort of stuff that xena was coughing up
02:24:01 [AaronSw]
ah
02:26:20 [sbp]
I was quite close, it seems
02:28:13 [AaronSw]
heh
02:28:13 [AaronSw]
brb -- rebooting
02:28:18 [sbp]
O.K.
02:28:40 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw disconnects
02:32:01 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw reconnects
02:36:17 [AaronSw]
hmm, this is odd
02:37:35 [xena]
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02:44:05 [AaronSw]
aaaargh! looks like the backup really was deleting everything
02:44:11 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw retries over a 4x faster connection
02:54:21 [AaronSw]
Heh heh, googling for "hack" and anything brings up Wes' page.
02:54:23 [AaronSw]
.google hack aaron
02:54:24 [xena]
hack aaron: http://wmf.editthispage.com/discuss/msgReader$6243?mode=day
02:54:33 [AaronSw]
wmf: these are not the hacks you're looking for, dammit!
02:54:44 [sbp]
.google hack anything
02:54:45 [xena]
hack anything: http://www.hackcanada.com
02:55:16 [sbp]
should I take a bow at this point, or what?
02:56:05 [AaronSw]
:-)
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03:09:16 [AaronSw]
rillian, ever used firewire target disk mode?
03:10:01 [rillian]
nope
03:10:12 [AaronSw]
oh well
03:10:12 [rillian]
scsi disk mode on my duo worked great, though
03:10:28 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw is having a Very Bad Day
03:10:37 [rillian]
what is it, you plug in the cable and boot while holding down 't'?
03:10:44 [rillian]
AaronSw: sorry to hear it
03:10:44 [AaronSw]
yep
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03:12:44 [rillianbis]
connection still sucks
03:12:49 [rillianbis]
rillianbis is now known as rillian
03:12:57 [sbp]
join the club
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03:13:17 [sbp]
although I've been on for nearly 3 hours now!
03:14:08 [rillian]
AaronSw: if it's any consolation, there's still no end in site to the paperwork I'm collecting for my immigration application
03:14:17 [AaronSw]
Ouch. Where are you located?
03:14:31 [rillian]
Seattle, wanting to move to Vancouver
03:14:53 [AaronSw]
Hmm. You'd think the difficulties would go the other way.
03:15:04 [rillian]
Well, it is more difficult
03:15:11 [rillian]
the other way
03:15:27 [rillian]
But I kept procrastinating (like for two years)
03:15:37 [sbp]
let me get this straight... you're in the land of Frasier, and you want to move?
03:15:38 [rillian]
so I broke down and hired a consultant to help drive the process
03:16:05 [rillian]
and the first thing she said is, "Oh, we need a lot more documentation than this"
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03:16:44 [rillian]
Now, part of the idea is if you overwhelm them with supporting foo, they're less likely to dither, make to do the interview, or otherwise approve you later rather than sooner
03:16:58 [rillian]
but it's going on three months now that we've been getting 'a few more things'
03:17:02 [AaronSw]
Ooh, it's booting, and it looks like I didn't lose any data.
03:17:05 [AaronSw]
This is good.
03:17:07 [sbp]
ooh!
03:17:21 [rillian]
* rillian cheers, hoping the day is improving
03:18:18 [rillian]
sbp: pretty much, aye. temperment, people, loved ones, the best rollerblading path in north america...
03:19:22 [sbp]
heh, sounds good! Well, I hope that you manage to cut through the red tape...
03:19:35 [sbp]
it's stupid, because it's not all that far away, is it?
03:19:40 [AaronSw]
Still won't mount. yuck
03:19:43 [rillian]
me too.
03:20:06 [rillian]
I'm able to come up and visit regularly. It's a 3 hour drive, and my work is flexible
03:20:09 [sbp]
* sbp wonders if there are any towns that straddle a border
03:20:15 [rillian]
but it's not the same as living there
03:20:19 [rillian]
sbp: lots of them
03:20:37 [sbp]
I wonder if you'd have to go through a similar process?
03:20:51 [rillian]
hmm?
03:21:09 [sbp]
I mean, if you wanted to move to the other side of town, or something like that
03:22:08 [AaronSw]
Morbus, ever used firewire target disk mode?
03:22:23 [rillian]
sbp: yeah. They often have different names, and of course no streets connect
03:22:28 [Morbus]
nope. i have no firewire devices. tons of old centronics scsi though ;)
03:22:34 [rillian]
Not sure what they do about people walking across the park :)
03:23:54 [AaronSw]
When we drove up to Canada, the border checking was pretty lax: "Do you have any guns or booze?" "No." "OK, go on thru."
03:24:04 [sbp]
Homer: Hold it, what's your clearance?
03:24:07 [sbp]
Lisa: We just want to get a snack
03:24:07 [sbp]
Homer: Access denied!
03:24:09 [sbp]
ah, the bodyguard episode...
03:24:20 [sbp]
heh!
03:24:27 [Morbus]
i'm in the mood for love.
03:24:32 [Morbus]
simply because you're near me.
03:24:56 [Morbus]
its a song.
03:24:58 [Morbus]
buzzing through my head.
03:25:01 [Morbus]
must get out.
03:25:10 [Morbus]
its "annoying-ass-song-tag".
03:25:15 [sbp]
yeah, I know the song
03:25:53 [sbp]
I've been singing "Train Kept-A-Rollin'" most of the day
03:25:57 [Morbus]
* Morbus is currently listening to 'Electronic Behavior Control System' on EBN's album 'Telecommunication Breakdown'.
03:25:57 [Morbus]
!itunes
03:26:04 [sbp]
thankfully, it's a good song, so I didn't care too much :-)
03:34:25 [AaronSw]
rillian, would it be possible that you could help a friend compile his p2p app on Mac OS X?
03:34:40 [AaronSw]
he's got some library problems and he's looking for a Mac OS X hacker to help
03:34:46 [AaronSw]
the app is mojo nation
03:35:25 [rillian]
I could give it a try. tarball?
03:35:45 [AaronSw]
mojonation.net/downloads/
03:35:54 [AaronSw]
thanks so much
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03:40:31 [AaronSw]
hmm
03:40:36 [AaronSw]
mass exodus
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wb
03:41:13 [sbp]
ty
03:41:15 [sbp]
damn, all that and it didn't work
03:41:20 [sbp]
thought I might get to be a "lone op" in #dotgnu
03:41:30 [AaronSw]
heh
03:41:34 [sbp]
instead, ChanServ laughed at me
03:41:37 [AaronSw]
heh
03:59:31 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw tries to think of what else to stick on his emergency disk
04:00:09 [AaronSw]
Disk fixer, System Folder, IRC client...
04:00:34 [sbp]
heh, heh
04:00:45 [sbp]
I like your top three choices
04:02:07 [AaronSw]
Oh, Email client
04:02:37 [sbp]
Browser?
04:03:27 [AaronSw]
good ide
04:03:30 [AaronSw]
err idea
04:04:13 [AaronSw]
Ah, iTunes
04:05:02 [AaronSw]
No sense in wasting the space.
04:05:11 [AaronSw]
Ok... 3...
04:05:13 [AaronSw]
2...
04:05:16 [AaronSw]
1...
04:05:37 [AaronSw]
ok
04:06:18 [sbp]
what did you just do?
04:08:28 [AaronSw]
Hit "Burn CD-R..."
04:08:39 [AaronSw]
but it doesn't seem to be working
04:09:11 [sbp]
yuck
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04:25:54 [AaronSw]
shoot
04:34:02 [rillian]
"BANG"
04:41:52 [AaronSw]
BANG?
04:41:54 [AaronSw]
Oh.
04:41:55 [AaronSw]
Heh heh.
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wb
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ty
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farmer.openprojects.net has changed the topic to: Step right up, get your very own MORBUS SPAM!
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anybody know morse code?
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[GlobalNotice] Apologies, all. Apparently one of the rotation servers was hubbed to the one we restarted.
10:21:32 [ddent]
[GlobalNotice] Hiya, one little rehub now and then thats it for the evening. Sorry.
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15:24:55 [Morbus]
gasp, aaron's not even here? that's super odd.
15:25:01 [Morbus]
logster, grep AaronSw
15:25:46 [logster]
I'm logging. I found 16882 answers for 'AaronSw' (showing 0...4)
15:25:47 [logster]
0) 2001-11-21 15:25:01 <Morbus> logster, grep AaronSw
15:25:48 [logster]
1) 2001-11-21 11:01:26 <AaronSw> AaronSw has quit (sagan.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net)
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2) 2001-11-21 09:01:59 <AaronSw> AaronSw (aaronsw@mewtwo.espnow.com) has joined #swhack
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3) 2001-11-21 09:01:28 <AaronSw> AaronSw has quit (sagan.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net)
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15:47:34 [Morbus]
hey sbp
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Hi there, Morbus
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17:36:54 [sbp]
Right, that's it: I have to vent this somewhere
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I don't like Java. In fact, I really don't like Java. I can quite easily tell why Bijan declared that he'd rather drive thumbtacks into his gums than program in Java
17:37:52 [sbp]
it's no good. It's certainly not what was meant by OOP. Speed tests show that Python is better in many areas, and Java's syntax is a crime against humanity
17:38:38 [sbp]
I mean, come on! To do *nothing* in Java, you have to write about 5 lines of code. What's that all about?
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I resent being forced to learn it, and I pity others that have had to go near the stupid thing
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now, where's that Haiku that I wrote...
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aha: Java's utter crap / Plain for everyone to see / Python sure kicks-ass
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"Code 5-10 times more concise; Dynamic typing;
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Much quicker development: no compilation phase; less typing.
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"
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http://www.python.org/doc/essays/ppt/acm-ws/tsld024.htm
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"Python programs are typically 3-5 times shorter than equivalent Java programs. This difference can be attributed to Python's built-in high-level data types and its dynamic typing. For example, a Python programmer wastes no time declaring the types of arguments or variables, and Python's powerful polymorphic list and dictionary types, for which rich syntactic support is built straight into the language, find a use in almost every Python program."
17:44:29 [sbp]
- http://trident.mcs.kent.edu/~arvind/graduate-reports/jzhu.html
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s/thumbtacks/carpet tacks/
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Hmmph
18:57:03 [AaronSw]
They say that backing up is hard to do
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But now I know, I know that's it's true
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Don't say it broke down again!
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Please finish backing up so I can get on with my life again...
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AaronSw has changed the topic to: Happy Thanksgiving. Who wants to be a millionaire? (in yen)
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@ http://www-tech.mit.edu/V121/N59/59stallman.59n.html
19:16:38 [chumpster]
C: Stallman to Receive $830K from AaronSw
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C:|Stallman, Linus and Ken Sakamura to Receive $830K (1M yen)
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titled item C
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19:44:47 [Morbus]
AaronSw!
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i missed ya.
19:45:58 [AaronSw]
Morbus!
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how are ya?
19:46:38 [Morbus]
doing well.
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wanting to go home, but doing well ;)
19:46:46 [AaronSw]
that's good
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heh
19:46:54 [Morbus]
derrick still hasn't responded to me.
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i think he hates me. and the article.
19:47:09 [AaronSw]
Heh!
19:47:16 [Morbus]
they probably have a big old placard that says "derrick made his one mistake this year and it was talking to this morbus fellow".
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and they're all prancing around.
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buying commissioned "toilet paper de morbus".
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i know it. i feel it.
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http://www.intellectbooks.com/iconic/iconic.htm
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gotta run, haircut time
19:49:06 [Morbus]
my boss keeps telling me that its cos...
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dammit.
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hurry back
19:49:15 [AaronSw]
ok
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20:39:20 [AaronSw]
lo
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'owdy
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is today a better day?
20:41:22 [AaronSw]
Yep, seems so.
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Thanks for asking.
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Still haven't finished backing up yet, tho :-(
20:42:01 [rillian]
http://www.cs.unm.edu/~dlchao/flake/whee/index.html
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lol
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you should chump that
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@ http://www.cs.unm.edu/~dlchao/flake/whee/index.html
20:45:11 [chumpster]
D: http://www.cs.unm.edu/~dlchao/flake/whee/index.html from rillian
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D:|The Distribution of Variable-length Phatic Interjectives on the World Wide Web
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titled item D
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@ http://www.cs.unm.edu/~dlchao/flake/argh/index.html
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E: http://www.cs.unm.edu/~dlchao/flake/argh/index.html from rillian
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E: is also a fun paper
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E:|Dissecting the argh-scape: An exercise in 4 dimensions
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titled item E
20:46:33 [AaronSw]
this is great
20:47:03 [rillian]
"small, so as not to annoy the Google sysadmins again"
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:-)
20:48:58 [rillian]
doesn't see a power law in the argh distribution. not sure why that's a 'thank god'
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multi router traffic grapher.
21:05:01 [AaronSw]
what about it?
21:05:04 [Morbus]
if you're bored, use it sometime.
21:05:11 [AaronSw]
cool
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i've heard good things about it
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just monitors bandwidth (or really any stat that can be dummied into four lines).
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i have it monitoring bandwidth, server load, vhost crap, etc.
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number of users online, yadda yadda.
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hrm.
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21:33:56 [AaronSw]
deltab, for a higher-pref MX should the number be higher or lower?
21:34:03 [Morbus]
lower
21:34:12 [AaronSw]
cool, thanks
21:34:16 [sbp]
Happy thanksgiving to anyone here who celebrates it
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thanks
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for tomorrow
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you celebrate it, sbp?
21:34:33 [sbp]
no, but I may as well do
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heh
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well, have fun. happy thanksgiving, then
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:-)
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* AaronSw finishes up his O'Reilly proposal
21:41:44 [Morbus]
wha?
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'cha writing.
21:41:58 [Morbus]
i'll bet they talk to you. they don't talk to me. they hate me.
21:42:03 [AaronSw]
lol
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I want to give a talk at their Emerging Technologies conference
21:42:18 [Morbus]
ah. on what?
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Don't make me call up Derrick again... ;-)
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On the Plex
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phone
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Plexphone?
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heh
21:46:45 [Morbus]
heh.
21:47:02 [Morbus]
yeah, you need to be like my dad. "you not talking to my boy morbus? don't make me come over there!"
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"you'll break his little heart, you evil book conglomertataE"
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Heh!
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You can do that for me sometime.
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Tell them you'll send the stupid sheep over if they don't listen.
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Heh heh:
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--
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* TheTick fights evil
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TheTick: *fight fight figh*
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tav`: TheTick!
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TheTick: tav`!
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tav`: how are ya!? long time fan
21:50:03 [AaronSw]
TheTick: Oh doing fine. Just defending peace, justice and the american way
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tav`: first time caller
21:50:07 [AaronSw]
TheTick: as per usual
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coderman is now known as EvilDoer
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tav`: good good
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EvilDoer: mwahahaha
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tav`: get that EvilDoer!
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* EvilDoer does some evil
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21:50:24 [Morbus]
sppooOooon!
21:50:36 [AaronSw]
Huh?
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the tick yells out spoon before entering battle.
21:51:00 [AaronSw]
Ah.
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Haven't watched the show in a while.
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I hear they're doing a live action version. ick
21:51:24 [Morbus]
yeah. groan.
21:52:20 [AaronSw]
sbp, #plex please
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21:52:40 [Morbus]
where is this tick discussion taking place?
21:52:45 [AaronSw]
Heh, I saw that Morbus!
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whistle, whistle <g>
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xena tells me everything :)
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heheh.
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curses!
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22:42:07 [^lilo]
[GlobalNotice] Hi all. We are presently implementing 10-user-per-IP limits, with a few exceptions. If you need an exception, let us know. If you run into problems connecting to the network, let us know that too. Email can be sent to support@openprojects.net. Thanks!
22:42:40 [AaronSw]
OPN: "We are presently implementing 10-user-per-IP limits, with a few exceptions." Ouch.
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hey aaron.
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does v.x work under classic.
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?
22:46:26 [Morbus]
just got it burned. whoo.
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12 minutes left of work. good timing.
22:46:34 [AaronSw]
cool
22:46:42 [Morbus]
does it work under classic, do you know?
22:46:43 [AaronSw]
I dunno if it works under classic, i doubt it.
22:46:52 [Morbus]
ah. yeah, i doubt it too, but it seems weird that they'd do that.
22:47:12 [Morbus]
just hope this iso burn will work correctly on the mac ;)
22:47:24 [AaronSw]
I recall them saying it several times during the keynote
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saying it works udner classic?
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saying it doesn't
22:48:11 [Morbus]
ah. well, that's lame.
22:48:13 [AaronSw]
i may have misunderstood
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they said something like "we wanted to provide the best OS X experience, so we didn't worry about OS 9"
22:49:50 [lilo]
[GlobalNotice] Hi all. Just a further note. The connections-per-IP limits are not meant to be onerous, but we've had problems with clone attacks. Thanks.
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22:56:54 [lilo]
[GlobalNotice] Hehe, this is, shall we say, a whole can of worms. 8) Perhaps we should try to find another answer to the clone problem. ;)
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god!
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microsoft uses realbasic./
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their stupid little welcome utility is made in real basic. heh.
23:30:54 [AaronSw]
Heh!
23:31:11 [Morbus]
it actually ships with realbasic too.
23:32:37 [AaronSw]
really?
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the actual app?
23:32:45 [Morbus]
yeah, 30 day demo.
23:32:48 [AaronSw]
oh
23:32:54 [Morbus]
yup
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its part of their value pack
23:33:20 [Morbus]
has your friend installed os x yet?
23:33:43 [AaronSw]
office x, you mean?
23:33:49 [Morbus]
yeah :)
23:33:52 [AaronSw]
i dunno, he went out for a bit
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[[[
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If you have installed Office v.X on multiple computers in your LAN with the same serial number, you should have noticed that office detects this multiple usage and allows only one Office app to run at the same time.
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You just need to deny acces , via TCP, of any incomming IP to the following ranges of ports :
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- 3000 to 4000
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- 5000 to 65535
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]]]
23:36:13 [Morbus]
what is entourage?
23:36:44 [AaronSw]
Entourage is the email/calendar app
23:37:00 [Morbus]
oh. so if i'm in love with eudora, its useless to em.
23:37:02 [AaronSw]
Heh, denying access to ports.
23:37:09 [AaronSw]
eudora does calendars?
23:37:24 [Morbus]
morbus needs calendars?
23:38:22 [AaronSw]
heh
23:42:12 [Morbus]
what email do you use now?
23:42:55 [AaronSw]
Mail.app
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I couldn't stand Eudora.
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I'm hoping to try Entourage v.X
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ah.
23:44:58 [Morbus]
yeah, it looks like entourage does the same stuff as outlook 2001, so its not for me
23:47:42 [Morbus]
and powerpoint is infinitely useless to me too.
23:48:27 [AaronSw]
So what is useful to you?
23:48:36 [Morbus]
excel and word. that's all.
23:48:42 [AaronSw]
you use word?
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and access. but poo on that.
23:48:54 [AaronSw]
whatever do you use word for?
23:49:07 [Morbus]
some gamegrene people send me word docs.
23:49:13 [Morbus]
my gf uses word.
23:49:28 [Morbus]
i use word once in a blue moon to grammar check