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Brief rehubbing. 11:54:23 deltab has quit (benford.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 11:54:29 deltab (deltab@209.164.24.133) has joined #swhack 11:55:50 deltab has quit (benford.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 11:56:12 deltab (deltab@209.164.24.133) has joined #swhack 12:28:09 [GlobalNotice] Hi all. We will probably be experiencing routing problems for the next couple of days. We're working on the problem. Thanks. 13:46:39 [GlobalNotice] Hi all. If you are interested in taking a look at the CVS code on http://sourceforge.net/projects/openprojects/, we invite you to look for problems with the link counting code. As far as I know, we never modified it, and it's dropping link counts by Y line class. A usable patch could help get our routing back in shape a bit quicker. :) 14:19:15 Disconnected from irc.openprojects.net (ERROR :Closing Link: logster[~swhack-lo@205.253.219.118] (Ping timeout: 181 seconds)) 14:19:20 logster (~swhack-lo@xcdfddb76.ip.ggn.net) has joined #swhack 14:19:20 topic is: Mothers, lock up your sensibilities: Morbus is in town! 14:19:20 Users on #swhack: logster AaronSw chumpster tav BenSw|asleep oierw` deltab 14:49:27 * AaronSw reconnects 14:55:21 Morbus (~Morbus@morbus.totalnetnh.net) has joined #swhack 14:59:37 [GlobalNotice] Hi all. This is a repeat message for those of you in different timezones. OPN expects some routing issues due to a server problem with bad link counting by Y line class. We hope to have it resolved within a day or so. You can help by taking a look at the CVS, project 'openprojects' on sourceforge. Thanks. 15:12:29 Morbus, just that I saw it on Advogato 15:12:51 AaronSw has changed the topic to: Email and IRC-free is the way to be! 15:13:10 LOL at TakeDamage, deltab. What's that from? 15:15:08 Man, this channel was dead while I was on-break. 15:15:12 @ http://logicerror.com/linda 15:15:21 A: Linda from AaronSw 15:15:39 A:|Notes on Linda 15:15:40 titled item A 15:16:24 A::The results of [my Linda log-a-thon a few months back|http://blogspace.com/swhack/chatlogs/2001-09-30]. 15:16:25 commented item A 15:18:53 @ http://freespace.virgin.net/andrew.harrison4/ 15:18:56 B: Microsoft XP adbust in Shoreditch, London from AaronSw 15:26:22 sbp (~sean@195.147.216.34) has joined #swhack 15:26:56 whoo! 15:28:48 Gotta run 15:28:53 c'ya 15:30:57 @ http://www.w3.org/2001/07/allgroupoverview.html 15:30:58 C: http://www.w3.org/2001/07/allgroupoverview.html from AaronSw 15:31:10 sbp has quit (Ping timeout: 181 seconds) 15:31:11 C:|2002 Technical Plenary and WG Meeting Event 15:31:12 titled item C 15:37:46 C::Technically I should be here Mon, Tues and Thurs... 15:37:47 commented item C 15:37:55 C::Hmm, not a lot of W3C WGs when you look at it. 15:37:56 commented item C 15:38:18 @ http://logicerror.com/webizingPython 15:38:26 D: Webizing Python from AaronSw 15:38:32 D::sbp, deltab, please send comments 15:38:33 commented item D 15:38:52 D::Then I'll send it off to Tim, maybe Python-dev 15:38:53 commented item D 15:39:48 do you know the poeple who run sourcefubar? 15:40:10 No, not really 15:40:24 Oh, feel free to comment too, Morbus -- i'm sure you can figure out the Pythonisms 15:40:29 @ http://www.time.com/time/magazine/1997/dom/970922/excerpt.how_i_survive.html 15:40:29 haven't read the new advogato on sf yet, but just want to keep my options open. 15:40:31 E: HOW I SURVIVED THE UNABOMBER from AaronSw 15:40:39 E:|David Gelernter: How I Survived The Unabomber 15:40:40 titled item E 15:40:43 there's a site on how to enable cvs on osx, but i'd rather have it somewhere else. 15:40:46 @ 15:40:50 @ http://www.neverending.org/~ftobin/projects/conclave/ 15:40:54 F: Dekan's Solace - Conclave Protocol Design Overview from AaronSw 15:41:06 F:|Encrypted IRC Plans 15:41:07 titled item F 15:41:07 jeez, i dont think i will comment on that. i'm just an "oh!" afterthought. 15:41:17 Heh. 15:41:51 @ http://www.erights.org/ 15:41:52 G: http://www.erights.org/ from AaronSw 15:42:03 G::Maybe I was just too tired, but ERights.org didn't seem very informative to me. G::It seemed like they were more concerned about convincing people that capabilities were better than ACLs (which seems obvious to me) than actually discussing some of the interesting possibilities made possible by a distributed computing environment. 15:42:03 G::E seems to borrow a lot from Python and Udanax/Xanadu. However, I wish it were written on top of Python instead of Java... Python and E are very close, but I find Python's syntax much easier to follow. 15:42:03 G::Man, E-Land sits at the intersection of so many interesting things! 15:42:04 commented item G 15:42:06 commented item G 15:42:07 commented item G 15:42:13 someones going a little nuts on the chump 15:42:14 G:|ERights.org: The E Language 15:42:15 titled item G 15:42:21 I've got a day's backlog... 15:42:26 @ http://www.skyhunter.com/marcs/ewalnut.html 15:42:26 ah 15:42:31 H: E in a Walnut from AaronSw 15:42:35 H::The more I read about E, the cooler it seems. I really need to read this. 15:42:36 commented item H 15:42:41 @ http://www.caplet.com/adages.html 15:42:44 I: MarkM's Adages from AaronSw 15:42:54 I::"A Computer's Perspective on Moore's Law: Humans are getting more expensive at an exponential rate" 15:42:54 I::"New ideas aren't valuable unless they reach hungry minds." 15:42:54 I::"Learning from History, badly: Apparently, the only thing Americans learned from Prohibition is that it doesn't work to prohibit *alcohol*." 15:42:55 commented item I 15:42:57 commented item I 15:42:59 commented item I 15:43:16 I took a day off of IRC and email -- it was awesome. 15:43:24 why'd you do that? 15:43:33 last night, i wasted three cdrs, and play thps3. 15:44:03 and found out that my usb modem was one model number off the compatible one for online play. 15:44:17 do you have a cdr? 15:44:45 CDR as in the drive or media? 15:44:52 drive. 15:44:53 why: because i waste so much time on it. 15:45:00 how'd you waste them. 15:45:00 ? 15:45:07 Yeah, I have one, but I'm not sure it works... 15:46:47 ah. ok. 15:46:59 Aaah! 15:47:10 big green line down my screen!! 15:47:20 Ah, it's gone now... 15:49:47 (need to chump http://nestroy.wi-inf.uni-essen.de/rdf/new_interpretation 15:49:47 in #rdfig...) 15:51:50 welp, ok. see, in os x, i use long filenames.; 15:51:59 which get truncated to that evil filename#4534534.mp3 in classic. 15:52:08 yeah, same here -- it sux0rs 15:52:15 my cdr ONLY works in classic. 15:52:19 its an old ass 2x scsi. 15:52:23 so, my thought is: 15:52:31 yick 15:52:42 if I get Toast Titanium for OSX, create the cd image in OS X with the long filenames, 15:52:52 and then save it and load it into Classic, will it burn the long file names to an ISO? 15:53:14 in Classic, I can remove those #234532 from the disk image without modifying the file names themselevs 15:54:04 can you do me a favor and try to get to hopkintonind.org? 15:54:18 i think this guy's dns is old, cos hes not seeing it, but want to double check 15:56:27 yeah, its gotta be him. 15:56:33 all the digix and mae sites are seeing it. 15:56:37 xena (killarny@mewtwo.espnow.com) has joined #swhack 15:56:58 I get thru to http://web.archive.org/web/20011115075701/http://cs.stmarys.ca/~a_ohearn/irby/ 15:57:06 err hopkintonind.org 15:57:14 heh. 15:57:17 digix? 15:57:37 digex, rather 15:57:40 http://nitrous.digex.net/mae/maew-lg.html 15:57:46 they've a couple others too 15:58:10 oh, cool 15:58:25 wonderful stuff for network /config testing. 15:58:29 i/ve a list of them if you want em. 15:58:41 i'm 15:58:52 i'm sure i'll find them on google when i need them :) 15:58:57 heh 15:59:12 @ http://advogato.org/article/378.html 15:59:16 J: http://advogato.org/article/378.html from AaronSw 15:59:31 did you do that one yesterday? 15:59:37 what one? 15:59:46 J:|Advogato's advogato on Chrisp's resignation: chewing up and spitting out our leaders 15:59:46 that 378 adv. 15:59:47 titled item J 15:59:54 ah. guess now. 15:59:56 not, rather 16:01:09 J::"It is very easy for this cat to sympathize with Christoph. It is the rule, rather than the exception, to put blood, sweat, and tears into a free software project (not to mention long hours), and get precious little in return." 16:01:10 commented item J 16:01:46 x import random 16:01:47 NameError: global name 'eval' is not defined 16:01:51 pah 16:05:54 J::Hmm, this is a wild one, but I wonder if Wesley Felter is Advogato the Cat... 16:05:56 commented item J 16:09:39 J::I dunno, maybe it's just me, but I can't get myself to be angry or ignore newbies... I just can't! I sort of understand how others get so upset about things but it doesn't happen to me. Maybe I should get a job in Tech Support. 16:09:41 commented item J 16:10:31 J::Maybe you should just get a job. 16:10:32 commented item J 16:10:45 heh heh. 16:10:48 16:11:45 J::Oh, and for the record, I think fink really, really, really rocks. We'll miss you, chrisp! 16:11:47 commented item J 16:12:05 I sent him a very nice letter, thanking him profusely a little before he resigned. He never responded... 16:15:38 J::One commenter writes:"I'd recommend to anyone who's thinking about creating a user community to stay away from things like public IRC and chat-based systems." Maybe it was #fink that did them in... 16:15:39 commented item J 16:19:39 J::Hmm, I sort of have to agree with Zooko: "Other human beings are difficult and irritating to deal with at the best of times, and the Open Source community is not, in my experience, worse than average." 16:19:41 commented item J 16:31:22 GabeW (~gwachob@c1886218-a.smateo1.sfba.home.com) has joined #swhack 16:32:52 hey, did you run into that dock/icon bug thing? 16:32:59 hold on. lemme find the thread. 16:36:05 @ http://cs.stmarys.ca/~a_ohearn/irby/ 16:36:12 K: http://cs.stmarys.ca/~a_ohearn/irby/ from AaronSw 16:37:02 K:|Irby's Homepage 16:37:03 titled item K 16:41:52 http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/archive/macosx-talk/2001-November/024233.html 16:41:59 that's the beginning of the thread. the rest hasn't shown up yet. 16:42:11 basically, its because of some new "dock protection" feature in 10.1.1 16:42:33 there's more on macfixit.com. they report it when the dock is on the right hand side of the screen, but i saw it when my dock was on the bottom. 16:42:47 the fix (whcih hasn't been archived yet) is to simply change the dock orientation and then change it back. 16:42:57 i changed mine to left, and then moved it back to the bottomm, and everything was solved. 16:42:59 afk 16:43:17 hmm... 16:43:40 oh wait, that is the fix i just linked to. 16:43:42 hold one 16:43:47 on, rather 16:43:56 ah here we go: http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/archive/macosx-talk/2001-November/024202.html 16:44:00 thats the problem ;) 16:44:12 weird -- I just use my dock on the left 16:44:14 :-) 16:44:26 heh. i don't cos i don't like moving all the windows around. 16:44:37 the dock at the bottom duplicates all my popup folders i used in 9 ;) 16:44:42 Heh. 16:44:54 the right side is clearly the correct place for it. 16:45:19 why? 16:45:20 it was funny, before 10.1, when you booted, it'd draw the dock on the wrong monitor, and then shift it over. 16:45:24 i dont like i ton the right. 16:45:38 mainly cos when you mouse over, the text obscures the icons. that's hideous. 16:45:50 i'd rather just have no text and just the magnification effect. 16:46:06 Huh? What icons? 16:46:07 or heck, no magnification, and it'll be just like the app menu from 9 16:46:10 icons on the desktop. 16:46:34 hmm, i don't have anything on my deskto[ 16:46:43 not even your hd? 16:46:47 well, just my hard drive, but that's on the right side 16:46:59 in 9, i threw a lot of stuff on the dt, but moved it all to my user folder in x. 16:47:01 ah. ok. 16:47:08 where it's supposed to be, you know. this ain't no windows machine 16:47:27 yeah, if you put the dock on the right with your hd, and mouse over an icon that is near the hd (i have a large dock), then it obscures the hd icon. i hate that. 16:47:42 on the left side? since when has anything been on the left side? you luser 16:48:02 huh? 16:48:14 huh what? 16:48:28 ne'er mind 16:48:39 whats in yoru dock? 16:49:11 a lot less then the 9000 things in yours 16:49:17 heh... 16:49:22 i only have like 25 i think 16:49:44 Finder, Mail, IE, Snak, Fire, Pepper, Terminal, Keychain, System Prefs, Calendar, Stickies, Slacker, QT Player, MacSatellite, iTunes and Trash 16:50:07 ah. 16:52:16 @ http://bailando.sims.berkeley.edu/infovis.html 16:52:21 L: BAILANDO Project: Information Visualization from AaronSw 16:52:33 L:|Animated Visualization of general graphs 16:52:34 titled item L 16:54:49 L::Very cool. 16:54:50 commented item L 16:55:52 L::Wow, Ka-Ping Yee is working on this. Man, that kid is everywhere. 16:55:53 commented item L 16:56:42 How does this sound: 16:56:44 "Aaron Swartz is a strong advocate for Children's Rights in a world that treats them more like property than people. In his spare time he programs systems to leverage strategic inflection points in the global data structure by building systems that allow people to freely communicate without central control." 16:57:47 honestly? it sounds like you're trying to be smart. 16:58:02 oh, hmm 16:58:06 the first sentence was good. the "in spare time" one wasn't. 16:58:21 I guess leveraging strategic inflection points in the global data structure isn't as funny to most people has it is to me. 16:58:33 i mean, the second sentence can be deciphered as saying "he uses hotmail from any computer". 16:58:49 lol 16:58:52 :) 16:59:08 aww... that's a good one 16:59:13 i mean, just say "he builds shit that makes napster and the riaa look pitoful. 16:59:23 hmm 16:59:30 that way people will understand you and give you that much need mystique ;) 17:00:27 "Well respected by the developer and technical community as being one of the youngest geeks, he..." 17:00:31 something or other. i dunno. 17:00:40 i respect you. you have my vote. 17:00:42 whoo. 17:00:46 Heh 17:00:57 don't forget to metnion your dad, too. whistle, whislte. 17:01:11 "Aaron Swartz is a strong advocate for Children's Rights in a world that treats them more like property than people. A young emergent networks hacker, he programs systems that allow people to share information freely, anonymously and without any central control." 17:01:27 Oh, and he knows this freaky guy named Morbus 17:01:31 yeah! 17:01:39 that's got that "i can be serious and funny too!" tone. 17:01:44 its got pizazz! 17:01:51 heh 17:02:04 who's your audience for this statement? i worry that hacker will get you expelled or something. 17:02:09 at least, around here, it would :) 17:02:10 heh 17:02:22 It's for an underground school mag 17:02:30