00:00:42 and of course serious thinking is out of the question 00:00:43 as long as it's nothing more taxing than "make me a sandwich", you'll be O.K. 00:01:13 hmm... dammit 00:01:24 the 14.4 meg update didn't show up in Library/Recipets so i can't archive it 00:02:40 Aaron, have you told hm that this channel is logged? Can we have it in the notify thingy? 00:03:01 Yes, I think we told hypomanic about that last time. 00:03:14 what do you mean? 00:03:26 The logs of this channel are on the Web, remember? 00:03:37 this conversation is logged on the web, oh 00:03:55 all right 00:04:34 but don't you guys want to be able to edit out some juicy details? 00:04:34 Morbus has quit ("http://www.disobey.com/") 00:04:49 That's what # is for... 00:04:55 i don't know much about this 00:05:08 ohh 00:08:13 tav` has quit (benford.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 00:08:13 chumpster has quit (benford.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 00:08:13 BenSw has quit (benford.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 00:08:13 tav has quit (benford.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 00:08:15 Morbus (~Morbus@s102.terminal3.totalnetnh.net) has joined #swhack 00:08:27 tav` (~tav@host217-34-70-25.in-addr.btopenworld.com) has joined #swhack 00:08:27 tav (~tav@host217-34-70-25.in-addr.btopenworld.com) has joined #swhack 00:08:27 BenSw (~yoda@c930384-a.hlndpk1.il.home.com) has joined #swhack 00:08:27 chumpster (~chumpster@xcdfddb76.ip.ggn.net) has joined #swhack 00:08:49 tav` has quit (Excess Flood) 00:09:39 How's the Plex coming along, Aaron? 00:10:04 Pretty good, thanks. I'm really excited about it. I've planned some cool demos for WWW2002 and P2PCon3. 00:10:11 I do need an inference engine, tho. 00:10:36 ooh, subtle hint :-) 00:10:41 actually, I meant to ask you about that... 00:10:52 the problem is, we need some kind of inference format 00:10:54 Oh? 00:11:00 Oh... 00:11:08 and I'm still not quite clear as to what that should be 00:11:14 new mail in this update 00:11:18 Yes! 00:11:20 delete! ;) 00:11:24 heh. 00:11:26 Oh? 00:11:33 i use eudora 00:11:43 heh 00:12:19 actually, funny thing, the Mail on here wasn't an app. it was the folder contents. 00:12:28 Odd. 00:13:37 tav` (~tav@host217-34-70-25.in-addr.btopenworld.com) has joined #swhack 00:14:56 @ http://www.geocrawler.com/lists/3/SourceForge/11114/125/7038861/ 00:15:00 A: Geocrawler.com - fink-devel - [Fink-devel] Resignation from AaronSw 00:15:17 cool! 00:15:22 A:|Fink Project Lead Resigns 00:15:24 titled item A 00:15:29 A::Pretty sad news, sorry to see him go. 00:15:30 commented item A 00:15:37 I hope the cool was re the autotitle and not the news. 00:15:39 :-) 00:15:45 er, cool about the title, yes! 00:15:48 :-) 00:19:30 * sbp listens to some Green Day 00:19:35 * Morbus is currently listening to 'I'm Gonna Sit On The Porch and Pick On My Old Guitar' on Johnny Cash's album 'Essential Johnny Cash 1955-83, Disk 3'. 00:19:35 !itunes 00:19:39 :-) 00:19:45 "Welcome To Paradise" 00:19:51 sbp: the new "greatest hits" album? 00:19:53 heh 00:20:09 why would I need the greatest hits album? I have the albums 00:20:36 hehe 00:20:41 :-) 00:20:44 I have em all 'cept the last one 00:20:50 and the new "hits" album (which is funny) 00:21:02 "international superhits" 00:21:02 Warning? I think it was pretty good, despite what some of the critics said 00:21:13 Yeah, I stopped buying cd's about then 00:21:19 s/Warning/WARNING:/ 00:21:29 I was thinking about getting the relatifvely recent Clash box set but I haven't yet 00:21:41 yeah, I haven't had a great deal of CDs for a while 00:21:49 too expensive 00:21:51 Clash: cool 00:21:55 i have 100+ mp3 cds. 00:21:55 :) 00:22:00 yeah 00:22:26 * sbp rings the cops 00:22:28 I actually like combat rock a lot - a lot of the non-radio-friendly songs are quite good if a little strange 00:22:47 arrest that guy! 00:23:17 if i don't talk, you wont' exist. if i don't talk, you wont exist. 00:24:41 oierw` has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00:25:55 oierw` (mathew@nic-163-c165-245.mn.mediaone.net) has joined #swhack 00:30:56 hehehe 00:33:31 deltab (deltab@mewtwo.espnow.com) has joined #swhack 00:33:41 OoOh! 00:33:42 http://space.sourceforge.net 00:33:43 wb deltab 00:33:48 Haven't you seen that? 00:33:52 @ http://space.sourceforge.net 00:33:54 did I miss anything? 00:33:54 no 00:33:55 B: Space.dock: virtual workspaces for Mac OS X from AaronSw 00:34:03 deltab, a lot 00:34:09 man, i'm a loser. 00:34:12 does it work? 00:34:17 Sorta... 00:35:53 what's new in Opera 6? Anything good? 00:36:03 Yeah, apparently you can save web forms 00:36:05 Im playin with it now 00:36:12 hopefully it won't crash with efax anymore 00:36:17 of course IE5/Mac has had that feature forever... 00:36:19 I can't use 5.2 on my desktop 00:37:25 tonik (~tonik@host213-123-68-51.dialup.lineone.co.uk) has joined #swhack 00:38:12 more people? 00:38:14 hi tonik, this channel is publically logged. 00:38:16 this works nicely, aaron. 00:38:17 at least for me. 00:38:24 I'm still optimizing... 00:38:31 ... the installer update 00:38:32 the space.dock thing i mean 00:38:42 and i got a desktop randomizer now. whoo. 00:38:43 heh, heh. You should get logster to say that, though... 00:38:52 space: Oh, yeah, it works, but it doesn't work right. 00:39:00 like it's not as cool as the linux one 00:39:01 what dya mean? 00:39:12 you can't drag windows from screen to screen and stuff 00:39:27 ah. yeah, i can see that being a pain. 00:42:01 * sbp wonders if tonik is waiting for an opening 00:42:20 tonik has quit ("Client Exiting") 00:42:28 ...Or a closing 00:42:50 ButlerBot would be the one to say hi to folks and tell them the channel is logged. 00:43:00 Never got around to coding it, tho. 00:43:12 can't you do that in snak? 00:43:29 Yeah, but Snak isn't very persistent. 00:43:48 a service like butlerbot or nagBot needs to be persistent 00:48:18 lol @ "closing" 00:48:24 it seems so 00:50:47 OK, gotta run -- dinner 00:51:26 O.K., c'ya 00:51:44 #me likes the hosility off-log and the civility on-log ;-) 00:51:45 c'ya too 00:53:19 Morbus has quit ("http://www.disobey.com/") 00:57:03 shall we all have a picnic? 00:57:41 ooh! "Robbie Williams may have to pay punitive damages after a court ruled he substantially copied a Woodie Guthrie song." - http://www.ananova.com/ 00:57:48 would the right honourable gentleman want some tea? 00:58:29 ah, splendid. Such a joyous occasion for all 01:01:26 sbp has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01:01:40 sbp (~sean@195.147.221.202) has joined #swhack 01:03:16 GabeW has quit ("Ba-bye!") 01:04:33 sbp has quit (Ping timeout: 181 seconds) 01:06:24 sbp (~sean@AC97D9A4.ipt.aol.com) has joined #swhack 01:17:10 Morbus (~Morbus@s96.terminal3.totalnetnh.net) has joined #swhack 01:17:15 howdy kind fellows 01:18:02 snooka, snooka 01:18:35 * sbp waves 01:20:24 * Morbus flounders 01:30:30 * sbp jumps Morbus' sensibilities 01:31:26 jej/ 01:31:29 heh, even 01:34:45 sbp has changed the topic to: Mothers, lock up your sensibilities: Morbus is in town! 01:51:12 Morbus has quit ("http://www.disobey.com/") 01:53:25 hypomanic has left #swhack 02:08:26 OK, brb -- gotta restart. 02:08:45 c'ya 02:09:59 * AaronSw disconnects 02:17:58 Morbus (~Morbus@s98.terminal3.totalnetnh.net) has joined #swhack 02:20:26 * AaronSw reconnects 02:29:31 Morbus has quit ("http://www.disobey.com/") 02:30:04 make your minds up, guy 02:30:15 guys 02:31:25 who're we talking to? 02:32:07 who's who talking to? 02:32:32 you 02:32:49 sbp has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02:38:42 sbp (~sean@ACA61AD1.ipt.aol.com) has joined #swhack 02:41:39 wb 02:42:10 ty 02:42:33 did you send an introduction to plex-talk yet? Why no activity? 02:45:13 Hmm, dunno -- I should forward this writeup I did. 02:45:45 yeah, please 02:45:55 ironic that the first mail to the list is a spam 02:52:02 hmz 02:52:06 i sent a mail b4 that 02:52:59 ah yes, my mistake 02:53:16 [[[ 02:53:23 hello there, and welcome to the plex-talk list 02:53:23 ]]] 02:54:15 * AaronSw composes his email 02:54:54 GabeW (~gwachob@c1886218-a.smateo1.sfba.home.com) has joined #swhack 02:57:26 @ http://www.sourcefubar.net/ 02:57:35 C: http://www.sourcefubar.net/ from AaronSw 02:57:45 C:|SourceFubar: A SourceForge Alternative 02:57:47 titled item C 02:57:55 @ http://www.advogato.org/article/376.html 02:58:12 D: http://www.advogato.org/article/376.html from AaronSw 02:58:22 D:|Advogato: SourceForge Disillusionment 02:58:24 titled item D 02:58:40 D::Some folks are working on [a decentralized replacement|http://savannah.gnu.org/docs/savannah-plan.html] 02:58:42 commented item D 03:00:10 D:There's also [Tigris|http://www.tigris.org/]/[CollabNet|http://www.collab.net/], trying to improve collaborative development tools. 03:01:02 D::[CoopX|http://coopx.eu.org/] is defining an XML format for data exchange between project hosts. 03:01:04 commented item D 03:04:04 what happened to auto-title? 03:04:27 It doesn't work all the time -- if it can't get the page in 5 seconds then it gives up. 03:05:11 D::SourceForge rebuts the comments in the article, and points to [a new forum system|http://sourceforge.net/forum/forum.php?forum_id=121925] they're developing to replace GeoCrawler. 03:05:15 commented item D 03:13:33 what do you think about the SF situation? 03:18:02 sbp has quit (Ping timeout: 181 seconds) 03:19:26 sbp (~sean@p17s10a06.client.global.net.uk) has joined #swhack 03:21:02 Morbus (~Morbus@s123.terminal3.totalnetnh.net) has joined #swhack 03:21:52 hey, sbp, have you used ampheta lately? any comments? i'm working on the TODO. 03:22:39 I muat admit that I haven't... but I've had a fun packed "lately" 03:22:52 heh. 03:22:59 why's that? 03:23:13 well, so much stuff going on 03:23:27 and that T.V. of mine is so alluring... :-) 03:23:59 heh. i hear ya. the ps2 has been eating my time. 03:24:01 hey, can i run something by you? 03:24:05 sure 03:24:13 the old error message was "The socket read operation timed out after 10 seconds." 03:24:30 i'd like to change it to "AmphetaDesk couldn't reach the site within 10 seconds." 03:24:30 does that sound better? 03:24:30 uh huh 03:24:44 yes, that sounds much better 03:24:52 my only dislike is that it makes it seem like Ampheta's problem, when its prolly slow network, or problematic server 03:25:06 add, "cause the site sucks" 03:25:13 heh. 03:25:39 erm... well, I don't think that people *will* interpret it that way... 03:26:00 but you could add "site was unavailable" in parenthesis after 03:26:01 ok. 03:26:06 i'll make it "could not" as opposed to couldnt, and go from there 03:26:22 don't abbrev. 03:26:28 right 03:27:18 the "socket read operation timed out" makes it sound like there's a bug with Ampheta anyway, so this new verbiage is actually quite improved, IMO 03:27:32 k. 03:28:00 I'm worried enough about SF that I don't plan to host anything there in the future. 03:28:08 why's that? 03:28:22 ah, Aaron awakes 03:28:35 Sorry, was reading that SF thread 03:28:59 on advogato? 03:29:06 the head guy replied to that. 03:29:13 go talk to moorman in #sourceforge 03:29:20 if you're really worried about it. 03:29:47 he's not there 03:30:11 he will be eventually. he's there all the time 03:30:15 Heh 03:30:25 He dodged the question on Advogato. 03:30:38 @ http://prtnews.com/ 03:30:51 E: http://prtnews.com/ from AaronSw 03:30:58 kenm (~ken@kmacleod.static.iaxs.net) has joined #swhack 03:31:10 Welcome kenm! 03:31:18 eek, it's busy over here ;) 03:31:20 E:|PRTNews 03:31:22 titled item E 03:31:23 E::From Ken McLeod 03:31:25 commented item E 03:31:27 ah, mostly bots 03:31:28 yeah, gets busier all the time 03:31:29 heh. 03:31:30 hey ken :) 03:31:34 it must be the people... 03:31:42 (and the bots) 03:31:43 E::From Ken MacLeod 03:31:46 commented item E 03:31:53 E::Oops, sorry. 03:32:05 commented item E 03:32:24 E::is wiki-based. needs RSS wiring... 03:32:26 commented item E 03:32:32 * sbp wonders if the utterance of "prtnews.com" always invokes Mr. MacLeod 03:32:48 Heh. 03:33:12 Oh, btw, this channel is publically logged, kenm 03:33:16 does vi have a "downcase word" command? (M-l in emacs) 03:33:35 yeah, so don't say "fuck" or anything 03:33:38 deltab might know... 03:34:09 kenm: guw 03:34:23 escape-I? 03:34:38 err l 03:35:48 doesn't work for me 03:36:33 deltab: thx 03:36:37 what doesn't? 03:36:38 does work for me 03:37:22 oh well 03:37:25 anyone know of a good monospaced font for Mac? 03:37:34 mishawaka 03:37:36 i use it everywhere 03:37:42 this window, bbedit, eudora, la la la. 03:37:58 Ah, ProFont? 03:37:58 handles O/0 l/l/1 and so on. 03:38:09 kinda like that. never liked profont though 03:38:11 Heh, Morbus's pleading post is the first hit for mishiwaka font on google 03:38:21 heh. really? 03:38:24 .google mishiwaka 03:38:25 mishiwaka: http://www.lofthouse.com/w3/m/1054.htm 03:38:34 oh, gu is a Vim extension 03:38:34 ESC+DEL works for me using VIM in Bash/CYGWin 03:38:36 you have to spell it right 03:38:39 .google mishawaka 03:38:40 mishawaka: http://www.mishawakacity.com 03:38:42 .google mishawaka font 03:38:43 mishawaka font: http://wso.williams.edu/listserv/eudora-mac/Apr199-May199/msg00082.html 03:38:52 can you dcc it to me? 03:38:53 heh. ohhHh yeah 03:38:57 sure. 03:39:17 its a classic font, btw. 03:39:30 dunno if you want to magic it to the new os x standard. works fine either way 03:40:05 i dunno if that'll work due to the bug in snak 03:40:13 what bug? 03:40:22 with dcc sends. 03:40:29 they become zerobyte on the otehr side. 03:41:04 hhmm, OS X doesn't do magic routing on the Library folder like the old System Folder did. 03:41:11 And there's no drag-and-open... 03:41:30 yeah, annoying, ain't it? 03:41:34 yeah 03:41:37 magic routing? 03:41:44 spring folders and folder tabs were magical. 03:41:54 deltab: drop onto system folder, would get stored in the right place. 03:42:07 ah 03:42:10 it'd say: "this looks like a font, should I put it in the Fonts folder?" 03:42:12 deltab: ie, fonts to /System Folder/Fonts, extensions to /Extensions, etc. 03:42:23 pah, it is zero bytes 03:42:31 k. i'll email it. 03:42:48 should i binhex it? 03:42:55 sure, why not 03:43:30 hey cool! 03:43:41 i have an icon in my finder toolbar for the desktop 03:44:02 you can drag crap onto it - i have like 30 windows open, and no desktop showing. dragged the font onto the finder toolbar desktop icon and woolha 03:44:12 neat 03:44:34 and drag-and-open? 03:45:34 GabeW has quit ("Ba-bye!") 03:45:37 sent 03:46:45 Morbus, the attachment is blank 03:47:05 drag-and-open: you drag a file over a folder and hold for a few seconds and the folder opens in a new window 03:47:14 by drag-and-open, do you mean folders opening automatically when you hold something over them? 03:47:21 ah, yeah :-) 03:47:29 you didn't get anything in the attachments, or you didn't get the attachment at all? 03:47:48 ah, that's the bug 03:47:53 No, the view source shows there's an attachment -- but there's only a new-line in it 03:48:00 heh 03:48:27 go to 63.173.138.153 03:49:11 funky: StuffIt (c)1997-2001 Aladdin Systems, Inc., http://www.aladdinsys.com/StuffIt/ 03:49:12 heh. 03:49:18 everyone's getting misha. ;) 03:49:29 yaeh, that's the program that stuffed it. 03:49:31 no we're not 03:50:51 bwahahaha 03:50:59 i bet that's sean 03:51:05 yep :-) 03:51:20 xxx - - [13/Nov/2001:22:51:21 -0500] "GET /ghostsites2001/hey,can%20you%20read%20this? HTTP/1.1" 404 308 03:51:20 xxx - - [13/Nov/2001:22:51:39 -0500] "GET /ghostsites2001/ICanCommunicateByServerLogs! HTTP/1.1" 404 315 03:51:20 xxx - - [13/Nov/2001:22:52:01 -0500] "GET /Let'sTakeTheGhostCrapOffOfTheFront... HTTP/1.1" 404 309 03:51:20 xxx - - [13/Nov/2001:22:52:26 -0500] "GET /CoolWayOfCommunicating,YouHaveToAdmit HTTP/1.1" 404 309 03:52:02 Server messages are cool. 03:52:06 err server logs 03:52:30 * AaronSw receives metor spam: "Don't forget the Leonid meteor shower Sunday at 4:00 AM, it is supposed to the best in 35 years 800 to 1000 meteor per hour!!" 03:52:39 I will have to remember... 03:52:44 cool. Me too 03:54:17 get it alright, AaronSw? 03:54:20 the problem with server log messages is that you can't get replies 03:54:33 sbp, you can if you start a server. 03:54:35 well, i could start sending crap to your IP. 03:54:42 see if your firewall catches it. 03:54:46 then you link to your server in the Referer header. 03:54:49 neat! 03:55:27 @ http://www.arm.ac.uk/leonid/ 03:55:32 F: Leonid Meteors from sbp 03:55:59 Hmm, do I have to reboot to get the font to work? 03:56:41 ah, damnit: it'll only be cool on the other side of the world 03:56:46 um. i dunno with classic. 03:56:49 where'd you install it? 03:57:06 O 03:57:11 I'm not using Classic. 03:57:20 I just dropped it in /Library/Fonts 03:57:38 it should be seen automagically, yeah, but not in open apps. 03:58:00 you can also doubleclick to see a sample 03:58:06 neither of those worked 03:58:10 oh wait, no you can't. 03:58:45 F::"""The Leonids are the debris of Comet 55P/Tempel-Tuttle. Every 33 years or so, the comet returns to the inner solar system and releases material that forms into a new dust trail. In 2001 November the Earth will pass near the trails released at the 1866, 1767 and 1699 returns, i.e. 4 revolutions, 7 revolutions and 9 revolutions of the comet ago.""" 03:58:46 commented item F 04:00:00 not sure what to tell ya, aaron. 04:00:08 mines in the system folder 04:00:21 Oh? You run Eudora Classic? 04:00:36 no, classic fonts are accessible everywhere. 04:00:49 Hmm, there is a /System/Library/Fonts too 04:00:49 os x combines system folder/fonts/ /library/fonts and ~/library/fonts 04:00:58 and prolly that one too ;) 04:01:07 but I can't edit it... 04:08:23 aaron, did you get ampheta running over os x? 04:08:34 yeah 04:09:31 did you have to install expat? or had you done that previously? 04:09:47 yeah, i have like 10 copies of it, i bet 04:09:55 heh 04:13:35 Gotta run 04:13:37 sbp has quit ("Homer: 20 dollars? I wanted a peanut!") 04:17:43 Morbus has quit ("http://www.disobey.com/") 04:17:48 anybody have any style comments on PRTnews.com before I go public? 04:18:07 oops, its not public yet? 04:18:22 that's ok, it was within hours/days ;) 04:18:23 I don't like how the table causes it to take forever to load 04:18:34 it looks like just a banner ad for a while 04:18:53 me neither. do you know of a solution? xmlhack does the same thing 04:19:13 kill the tables and replace it with a CSS sidebar on the left 04:19:15 err right 04:19:44 got a link for how to do that? 04:20:30 .google css sidebar 04:20:31 css sidebar: http://www.meyerweb.com/eric/css 04:21:17