00:05:43 * sbp decides he likes a vanilla stylesheet for his homepage 00:07:45 Hmm... or do I? 00:14:00 yes, I do 00:14:27 but do I like it better than the main style? Dunno 00:15:00 perhaps I do 00:15:20 well, who knows? 00:15:33 both are pretty poor; it's the page's fault 00:16:04 no way I can put the image in the vanilla version... which is a good thing 00:16:14 but then the flashy version has... borders! 00:17:18 [[[ 00:17:20 my favourite when dealing with windows: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda 00:17:20 cat /dev/urandom > /dev/audio 00:17:20 HA HA HA 00:17:20 ahh, sweet sweet music 00:17:20 lol 00:17:21 I did a cat /vmlinuz to /dev/dsp I thought I heard god. 00:17:23 ]]] 00:18:10 but back to CSS 00:18:28 Would sir like the vanilla or blueberry flavours? 00:18:40 Ah, I see that sir is undecided. I shall come back 00:19:04 Pff... where's Aaron? He usually makes these tough decisions for me 00:19:10 heh, I have a cool system going there 00:19:28 If I want to find something out, I'll look on Google 00:19:41 sbp - whats the question? about dealing with windows? 00:19:46 if I need something more advanced, like a decision to be made, I'll ask Aaron 00:19:52 Hi Gabe... 00:19:54 hi 00:19:57 it's my new homepage design 00:20:14 I can't decide whether to go with a (not very) flashy "blueberry" stylesheet 00:20:18 oh 00:20:21 where are these? 00:20:23 or traditional vanilla (which is like, no style) 00:20:31 er... let me get the URIs 00:20:42 URLs would be better ;-) 00:21:00 nah... :-) 00:21:20 [non cool URIs deleted from logs] 00:21:25 [well, not deleted...] 00:22:00 loading... loading ... 00:22:44 heh, heh; you calling my server slow? :-) 00:23:04 I'm downlading lots of stuff... upload should be clear, though 00:23:48 I like the multiple vertical bars to signify 'subclusion" 00:24:07 I like bluberry minus the red starts 00:24:14 s/starts/stars/ 00:24:17 yeah, that's a neat little trick that... 00:24:23 ooh, you don't like the red stars? 00:25:14 nah - hey you write tabs! 00:26:00 [sound of frantic commenting out of stars] 00:26:02 yes, I do! 00:26:37 I was (not very much) helping out olga when they were undergoing the HFA problems 00:26:49 O.K., there it is without stars... try again 00:26:57 http://www.wired.com/news/culture/0,1284,12937,00.html 00:27:06 Ah yes... the fate of OLGA looked very sad at one point 00:27:29 But it seems to have perked up. They're still going 00:28:05 ooh 00:28:06 [[[ 00:28:07 "I'm convinced that the dissemination of tablature by OLGA promotes the compensation of the artists whose works are part of OLGA," said Gabriel Wachob, a member of the OLGA Legal Advisory Committee. 00:28:08 ]]] 00:28:18 wow, you just get everywhere 00:28:20 your site looks good 00:28:24 pfft - yeah 00:28:33 ah, but which version... blueberry or vanilla? 00:28:55 blueberry 00:29:01 more mindless quotation: http://www6.law.com/ny/tech/012698t4.html 00:29:05 [plus, I like it with stars for some reason (well, asterisks)... seems nekked without] 00:29:19 more? Man... 00:29:31 its very random - no theme in where people seem to quote me 00:29:44 I'm an expert in nothing in particular 00:29:50 heh, heh:- 00:29:52 [[[ 00:29:52 But according to Gabriel Wachob, chief operating officer of FindLaw, a legal research site on the Web (http://www.findlaw.com), firms are technologically conservative for more mundane reasons. ``Most multimedia technologies make site stability more difficult,'' he explained. ``The appearance of rock-steady functionality can be important to the image conveyed by a Web site.'' 00:29:55 ]]] 00:30:10 yeah... just random stuff. These chatlogs are going to be golmines for these people 00:30:24 s/golmines/goldmines/ 00:30:45 I'm trying to be the center of a "six degrees of separation" hub 00:31:26 ;-) 00:35:05 AaronSw seems to know lots of people too 00:35:43 yeah - he does 00:36:03 we should stroke our own egos some day by playing six degrees ... nahhhh 00:36:37 and why not? 00:48:09 cuz its a little crass ego-stroking 00:48:26 *I* know AaronSW!!! 00:49:10 well, you do 00:49:21 but so do *I* :-) 00:50:04 yeah, but do you know Bill Gates? 00:50:35 no, but I know Gerald, and he's been within about 2 metres of him 00:51:23 Hmm. Don't think I know anybody off the top of my head who knows billg 00:52:14 I know a couple of people who are working on or worked on one of the antitrust suits 00:52:28 ah; you' 00:52:37 you're probably just a couple away, then 00:53:36 well, yeah, I spose - but that's pretty tenuous 00:53:57 I think there are a lot of people 2 or 3 degrees from billg 00:54:46 yeah... 00:55:10 I think being 2 or 3 from Gandhi (sp?) or Hitler would be more interesting 00:59:49 yeah... Hmm... that'd be quite difficult, I guess 01:00:10 even better: being 2 from both 01:00:50 the kewl thing is that if everyone expressed all of their relationships in RDF (foaf) we could make discoveries about degrees of separation *automatically* 01:01:02 there was some site that did this - where you registered yourself and your friends 01:01:03 yeah! 01:01:26 Hmm... 01:01:39 it closed down I think 01:01:58 what are alternate names for this? 01:02:10 for this? 01:02:22 circle of friends (the phrase seems to come back to me) 01:03:19 Morbus has joined #swhack 01:03:29 who does Morbus know? 01:03:53 hehe 01:04:01 i know a lot of people. 01:04:03 why do you ask? 01:04:21 man, i hate being the butt of jokes i don't know 01:05:09 http://www.urbanlegends.com/science/six_degrees_experiment.html 01:06:06 is it bad to eat a whole penguin mint container in one day? 01:06:23 http://backissues.worldlink.co.uk/articles/250100180310/22.htm 01:06:59 intersting: "Even in the vast confusion of the World Wide Web, on the average, one page is only about 16 to 20 clicks away from any other." - http://www.news.cornell.edu/Chronicles/8.31.00/six_degrees_sep.html 01:07:16 yeah, sixdegrees.com did exactly that. then they got bought out, and within a year, they were shut down. 01:07:18 Morbus: I would say no, but then I haven't got a clue what you're rambling on about, so you can't really trust my response 01:07:42 @ http://www.urbanlegends.com/science/six_degrees_experiment.html 01:07:44 A: http://www.urbanlegends.com/science/six_degrees_experiment.html from sbp 01:07:45 ah! 01:07:49 sixdegrees.com - duh 01:08:07 A:|Six Degrees Experiment 01:08:08 titled item A 01:08:27 it was actually 5 degrees!!! 01:08:28 A::[http://backissues.worldlink.co.uk/articles/250100180310/22.htm|Related article] 01:08:28 heh 01:08:29 commented item A 01:09:22 Morbus - I was saying that if everyone published their relationships online with foaf (hehe!) then we could use a bot to automatically determine "paths" of separation 01:09:31 hmm. is this an NP-complete problem? 01:09:44 A::intersting: "Even in the vast confusion of the World Wide Web, on the average, one page is only about 16 to 20 clicks away from any other." - [http://www.news.cornell.edu/Chronicles/8.31.00/six_degrees_sep.html|CU computer scientist helps explain how 'six degrees of separation' works] 01:09:45 commented item A 01:15:55 gabe - that's really what sixdegrees.com did. 01:16:12 you would post your relationships to sixdegrees.com, and it would email the people who weren't already accounted on the site. 01:16:23 when they enter their relationships, you start getting into circle of trusts. 01:16:40 then, you could say "find me a webdesigner within my six degrees", and you'd have mutual associates. 01:16:47 sorry. late on replies. busy. 01:17:27 yeah, I signed up for sixdegrees - it scared me a little 01:17:44 me too, so I didn't sign up 01:18:03 I had two friends independently sign me up as a friend, so I figured, what the hell 01:18:52 yeah, i was one of the early signups, i must've entered a hundred people, and only about 15 came over. it was too scary for people. hell, it was scary for me. after that lackluster signup rate, i didn't go back until i saw that it was being shutdown ;) 01:19:10 Hmm... stuff is downloading quick tonight 01:20:29 sbp has changed the topic to: Welcome to the meme factory! 01:21:14 well, the problem is that it seemed like a commercial entity trying to make money off my private info without giving me anything for it 01:22:42 If everyone published their contacts (just names and/or unique identifiers) we could get the same result without having to involve a commercial entity 01:22:47 it was from on about a year ago, after they got bought up. i never felt like that years prior though 01:23:16 yeah, that's true - I just never saw the point really 01:23:27 and now I do!!!! ;-) 01:27:01 heh. 01:27:07 sigh. bye bye money 01:27:29 > 01:27:30 ? 01:27:42 paying off gamegrene.com writers. 01:27:48 hey, aaron, i'm sending you an email i foudn funny 01:29:32 sent two emails 01:43:25 logster, grep crap 01:43:56 I'm logging. I found 105 answers for 'crap' (showing 0...4) 01:43:57 0) 2001-11-06 01:43:25 logster, grep crap 01:43:58 1) 2001-11-05 18:40:07 the person who drew that is a good friend - she does illustrations, kids books, and crap. 01:43:59 2) 2001-11-03 02:44:04 so all the normal crapish junk. 01:44:00 3) 2001-11-02 04:19:08 which one? the elite crap? 01:44:01 4) 2001-11-02 04:06:16 have you explored snak indepth? there's lot of neat crap in here. 01:44:02 Morbus has quit 01:45:01 hey, I'm feeling cruel 01:45:02 logster, grep 1-50 crap 01:45:11 I'm logging. I found 106 answers for 'crap' (showing 1...50) 01:45:12 1) 2001-11-06 01:43:25 logster, grep crap 01:45:13 2) 2001-11-05 18:40:07 the person who drew that is a good friend - she does illustrations, kids books, and crap. 01:45:14 3) 2001-11-03 02:44:04 so all the normal crapish junk. 01:45:16 4) 2001-11-02 04:19:08 which one? the elite crap? 01:45:17 5) 2001-11-02 04:06:16 have you explored snak indepth? there's lot of neat crap in here. 01:45:18 6) 2001-11-02 03:50:45 i mean, speaking morbus crap 01:45:19 7) 2001-11-02 03:42:14 stupid crap. 01:45:20 8) 2001-11-02 03:08:52 dunno. wish he'd come back so i can ask him about this bang crap. 01:45:21 9) 2001-11-02 01:49:59 [23:43] "oh, but see, at the risk of sounding perverted again, girlie girls who spell crap wrong are "cute". guys who spell crap wrong are "morons". it's the whole whore/stud thing all over again :)" 01:45:22 10) 2001-11-02 01:49:19 [23:26] cos. to answer questions, you have to enter keywords about crap you know about. to test, i just through in perl, computers, and p2pq. 01:45:23 11) 2001-11-02 01:42:29

[21:24] I spose it'd be easy enough just to dump the entire body of beatles lyrics into a text file/files or something isntead of scraping 01:45:24 12) 2001-11-02 01:40:23

[21:14] oh, is there a list of lyrics somewhere it would scrape in real time? 01:45:25 13) 2001-11-01 17:59:47 but I still get crap like: Heh. 01:45:26 14) 2001-11-01 17:16:30 Hmm... that's kind of crappy: won't follow redirects 01:45:27 15) 2001-11-01 17:15:31 i hope they didn't spam a whole crapload of people. 01:45:28 16) 2001-11-01 04:58:28 If I do it tonight, I'll just create a pile of crap, and have to redesign it tomorrow anyway... 01:45:29 17) 2001-10-31 04:48:38 crap, can't get up 01:45:30 18) 2001-10-31 04:00:10 it'll just be a crappy informal NID 01:45:31 19) 2001-10-31 01:59:01 stupid crappy feckarse pile of rubbish 01:45:32 20) 2001-10-30 02:58:34 no crap. i had to view source to find the stream url cos the stupid popup junk broke 01:45:33 21) 2001-10-30 01:55:23 yeah, well, in this case, i don't want it too - else, i'll have to go through and encode all the crap. i'm not writing out via xml::parser, just through my own code. 01:47:09 oh come on you little crapweasel - don't wimp out on me now! 01:47:17 * GabeW slaps sbp aroud a little 01:47:58 heh, heh :-) 01:48:24 off to family time - see ya's around 01:48:52 c'ya 01:49:56 GabeW has quit 01:54:37 logster, grep some bugger 01:54:43 I'm logging. I found 3 answers for 'some bugger' 01:54:44 0) 2001-11-06 01:54:37 logster, grep some bugger 01:54:45 1) 2001-10-21 04:01:06 and you wake up in the morning: "oh, some bugger's stolen my sink!". But really it was the carrots 01:54:46 2) 2001-10-21 16:50:19 and you wake up in the morning: "oh, some bugger's stolen my sink!". But really it was the carrots 01:54:46 logster, grep bugger it 01:54:50 I'm logging. I found 1 answer for 'bugger it' 01:54:51 0) 2001-11-06 01:54:46 logster, grep bugger it 01:56:10 logster, grep -i bugger it 01:56:15 I'm logging. I found 3 answers for 'bugger it' 01:56:16 0) 2001-11-06 01:56:10 logster, grep -i bugger it 01:56:17 1) 2001-11-06 01:54:46 logster, grep bugger it 01:56:18 2) 2001-10-11 01:29:15 aw man, adding built ins is gotta really bugger the code. Bugger it with bells on 01:57:29 heh, that's the one! 02:09:18 erm... wow. I'm getting an 11KB/sec transfer rate over a 55.6K modem 02:09:42 aw, it's going down now... but it did a Meg in like no time at all 02:09:48 weird stuff] 02:09:54 sans ] 02:12:09 ah, IRC 02:45:44 deltab, oierw? is anyone there? 02:46:45 yes 02:48:52 is it possible to get a HEX or binary dump of a PING IP packet on Windows? 02:48:55 sbp: modems have compression 02:49:07 Morbus has joined #swhack 02:49:09 on Windows, dunno 02:49:42 I found http://www.pcausa.com/resources/ndispacket_decode.htm 02:49:48 but it doesn't say how they got the dump 02:50:24 hey sean! 02:50:25 heheh. 02:50:36 Rawether for Windows and WinDis 32 are trademarks of Printing 02:50:44 hmm 02:51:14 hi there 02:51:33 so, probably with the products they sell :-) 02:52:05 yeah... 02:53:38 sbp has quit 03:14:19 sbp has joined #swhack 03:22:43 sbp has quit 03:27:49 Morbus has quit 04:19:11 Morbus has joined #swhack 04:30:40 Morbus has quit 09:53:55 deltab has quit 09:54:51 deltab has joined #swhack 12:01:17 tav has joined #swhack 13:41:18 * AaronSw reconnects 13:43:53 LOL at sbp's Linux quote 13:45:37 I heard that the OLGA shutdown was the impetus for Freenet. 13:46:35 [00:52] Hmm. Don't think I know anybody off the top of my head who knows billg 13:46:35 My dad knows BillG... 13:52:43 Listening to Simon Philipp's talk now... 13:52:59 He says he likes IETF better than other standards body. 13:56:19 BLURB:More Overheard At P2PCin 13:56:24 chumpster has quit 13:56:31 blarrrg 13:56:39 chumpster has joined #swhack 13:57:36 B::"I used a Content Management System called Windows Notepad." 13:57:37 commented item B 13:58:20 B::Java had the chicken problem: "It popped its head up, saw a web browser and thought it was an applet." 13:58:21 commented item B 13:59:01 B:|More Overheard at P2PCon 13:59:01 titled item B 14:05:45 yesterday evening was pretty cool 14:05:50 Went out with wmf, blanu, stephen hazel, sam (from neurogrid) stephen hazel, roger dingledore, zooko 14:13:46 Simon cheers Meerkat 14:14:13 He hypes markets are conversations. 14:14:57 B::"Any color you want, as long as it's black. Any platform you want as long as it's Windows." 14:14:59 commented item B 14:18:41 * AaronSw looks to see what's up next 14:19:16 Ooh, Hillary Rosen -- brb 14:25:40 * AaronSw waves from Hillary Rosen's keynote. 14:26:21 S::Tim O'Reilly introducing Hillary Rosen of the RIAA: "We've sometimes demonized [the RIAA]." 14:26:40 * AaronSw kicks chumpster 14:26:47 B::Tim O'Reilly introducing Hillary Rosen of the RIAA: "We've sometimes demonized [the RIAA]." 14:26:48 commented item B 14:27:26 where are the archives? 14:27:37 Hack the URL... 14:27:43 Start at http://blogspace.com/swhack/weblog/2001/11/05/ 14:27:53 "Nearby:RSS/RDF/XML version, more fron yesterday (better navigation coming soon)." 14:29:32 thought it was something like that, but didn't want to generate too many tcl errors 14:29:49 No, don't worry about that... perhaps I should just return a 404. 14:32:23 OK, returning a 404 now. 14:33:18 B::"Here's the Jack Valenti part of my speech." 14:33:19 commented item B 14:35:16 B::"We have the most thriving economy in the World right now [...] precisely because we have found the right balance between creation and protection." 14:35:17 commented item B 14:35:43 B::People trying to change IP law are "short-term thinkers for a popular cause". 14:35:44 commented item B 14:38:16 B::"Maybe [record companies] encourage piracy [by not putting all their music online]." 14:38:17 commented item B 14:42:55 B::"The fact that it is one of the number one transmitters of child pornography has not gone unnoticed by law enforcement." (many groans from audience) 14:42:56 commented item B 14:45:28 B::Hillary says that with file sharing there's no hope for anything but the status quo. *Heh!* 14:45:28 B::"We have no choice but to continue [our legal threats] as long as the copyrights are being infringed." 14:45:29 commented item B 14:45:31 commented item B 14:45:57 B::"Each of us is in the business of innovation." 14:45:58 commented item B 14:46:22 @ http://wmf.editthispage.com/2001/11/06 14:46:23 C: http://wmf.editthispage.com/2001/11/06 from AaronSw 14:46:40 C:|Wesley Blogs Day 2 of P2PCon 14:46:41 titled item C 14:48:23 B::"There was really no choice [to taking legal action against Kazaa]." 14:48:24 commented item B 14:51:57 B::Lucas Gonze asks a question: He asks how developers can do DRM when they don't look inside the files. "More likely for us it's accounting files or something." 14:51:58 commented item B 14:53:41 B::Hillary seems unready for this question.She says there's no digital fingerprinting system to identify content. 14:53:43 commented item B 14:57:42 B::[Zooko|http://www.zooko.com/] quotes [Bruce's Counterpane|http://www.counterpane.com/crypto-gram-0108.html]: """Every time I write about [...] protecting digital files [...], I get responses from people decrying the death of copyright. "How will authors and artists get paid for their work?" they ask me. Truth be told, I don't know. I feel rather like the physicist who just explained relativity to a group of would-be interstellar travelers, only to be 14:57:42 hen?" I'm sorry, but I don't know that, either.""" 14:57:42 commented item B 14:58:06 B::asked: "How do you expect us to get to the stars, then?" I'm sorry, but I don't know that, either.""" 14:58:07 commented item B 15:06:53 Morbus has joined #swhack 15:08:04 B::"There's too much music in the marketplace. [...] People only have a certain amount of headspace for new music. [...] The cost of music is in making it popular." 15:08:06 commented item B 15:09:23 B::Tim O'Reilly asks if Hillary can quantify the margins in the record industry. 15:09:24 commented item B 15:10:39 B::[Wesley Felter|http://felter.org/wesley/], on seeing Tim wearing an [Endeavors|http://endeavors.com/] T-Shirt: "Tim [O'Reilly] is renting out space on his shirt." (Endeavors is a Platinum Sponsor of the P2PCon.) 15:10:41 commented item B 15:12:29 B::Hillary says that artists generally get $3-$7 per CD, depending on contract, sometimes, maybe. 15:12:30 commented item B 15:13:27 lol 15:13:30 what a fucking cunt 15:13:39 She actually qualified things like that. 15:13:58 B::"It's hard to give you an exact cost [...] because of that kind of fluctuation." 15:14:00 commented item B 15:14:00 "Dont forget file traders are also child pornographers! 15:14:16 (paraphrasing :) 15:14:25 :-) 15:16:28 B:: "It's an industry of advances not royalties, not advances." She paraphrases her friend: "If an artist of mine ever gets a royalty I haven't done a good enough job." 15:16:29 commented item B 15:19:03 B::Hillary says making copies for your other players is not fair use. "The fair use rights have been stretched in that way." 15:19:05 commented item B 15:21:13 logster, grep piddlecat 15:22:21 I'm logging. I found 2 answers for 'piddlecat' 15:22:22 0) 2001-11-06 15:21:13 logster, grep piddlecat 15:22:23 1) 2001-10-16 02:47:24 Since you came up with that icon for piddlecat, I was thinking of one for AmphetaDesk: You could have this big stupid desk in the middle of a rave. Wouldn't that be awesome? 15:22:23 logster, grep rave 15:22:33 I'm logging. I found 23 answers for 'rave' (showing 0...4) 15:22:34 0) 2001-11-06 15:22:23 logster, grep rave 15:22:35 1) 2001-11-06 14:57:42 B::[Zooko|http://www.zooko.com/] quotes [Bruce's Counterpane|http://www.counterpane.com/crypto-gram-0108.html]: """Every time I write about [...] protecting digital files [...], I get responses from people decrying the death of copyright. "How will authors and artists get paid for their work?" they ask me. Truth be told, I don't know. I feel rather like the physicist who just explained relativity to a group of would-be interstellar travelers, only to be 15:22:36 2) 2001-10-31 23:55:14 Ooh, and a 48GB Travelstar. 15:22:37 3) 2001-10-29 23:52:12 goddamit, you crave attention. 15:22:38 4) 2001-10-24 18:51:30 and i'm using gulliver travel's quotes throughout. 15:22:39 thank you logster 15:24:21 B::Hillary left and entered with a long trail of video cameras, boom mikes and photographers. 15:24:23 commented item B 15:24:35 * AaronSw disconnects 15:29:19 i have a 198 emails in my "things to do with amphetadesk" folder.sigh. 15:33:08 be glad 15:47:43 Morbus has quit 15:48:29 * AaronSw reconnects 15:55:18 B::Tim O'Reilly: "Denial of Service should be a service -- the RIAA would like that." From Audience: "Or the other way around." 15:55:20 commented item B 16:08:22 Morbus has joined #swhack 16:09:04 AaronSw, just added your amphetadesk "desk in rave" quote to the Amphetadesk documentatin ;) 16:09:06 i'll be uploading it soon. 16:09:15